Mario Sperry Master Series 1 Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Takedowns

[MrZeljanpicke]

i did this to my grandmother once

[Nightmonkey17]

Jiu jitsu has good street fighting takedowns.

[djbassex1]

so thats what a brazilian accent sounds like..

[B9King937]

i dont care who you are nobody is hitting this takedown in an actual fight haha

[sonnych69]

and thats why judo is better in the street 1 the judoka has the dynamics of how to take someone without hurting himself n if he is still awake the your simple newaza finishes the job not 300 hundred bjj moves

[BandakaKush]

What I want to know is what if the opponent or "bad guy" has no shirt on?

[jpd782]

@BandakaKush I know what it's like. Years back I worked Loss Prevention. (Undercover security) I stopped a shoplifter, he ran, I grabbed him at the back of the shirt, and it ripped off him. Since we could not strike, I had to grapple. I had only trained in class with people wearing a Gi. Now, I had to roll with some guy who was shirtless, on concrete and a lot stronger. He was an ex con. Luckily he had no experience on the ground, and I was able to control him. But, it was not easy.

[G0chrisG0]

Everyone should check this video out on a good double leg takedown.



[darrenlad]

The biggest problem I see with Bjj and the street is the generally weak striking game and the fact that it often take ages to get decisive locks on. In the street it is often hard to know if your opponent has back-up. If you go to the ground and it takes you more than a couple of seconds to finish the situation then your opponents back up will just kick the hell out of you while your hands are busy.

[eugene680]

First of all, I respect all forms of martial arts. But with BJJ, not only do they have to worry about who they're fighting in the streets, but the atmosphere as well. Like concrete, something the human body was never design to strike. How about water? Very hard to grapple in water.

[BandakaKush]

@eugene680 Who the hell fights underwater? Merpeople?

[eugene680]

I didn't say underwater. I said in water. Like being on the beach or a large puddle of water.

[BandakaKush]

@eugene680 oh my bad.

[henh32]

Tani Otoshi (The Valley drop) in Judo.

[darrenlad]

@henh32 That would be because Bjj is re-branded Judo.

[MrParkour900]

hahahahaha action action and reaction :D

[TheMaTaTa212]

LMFAO 2 points 1:25

[TheMaTaTa212]

Lmao nice demonstration of a real fight, with the shirt grabbing and weird noises.

[willybrazily]

@AshallowBay They sure do but A) You have to know how to use them and B) You need the balls to look the other guy in the eyes and squeeze the trigger... Do you possess either??

[galanoth17]

nice



[T3r3nc3Th0m4s]

thumbs up if u agree that dude in blue looks like the situation from jersey shore

[Charlitos1988]

@T3r3nc3Th0m4s NO WAY!

[RedBloch]

not a great takedown. way too easy to avoid this but it's humorous when people try it so i cant complain.

[RedBloch]

this guy has some weird ideas about how takedowns work. I'd love to see if he could get me off my feet and I'm a white belt.

[geraldfoushee]

@RedBloch he is a world champ so he probally knows what he is talking about HAHA more than you fucks!

[GJJFan]

@geraldfoushee @geraldfoushee LOL agreed! BOTH of them were WORLD chamipoins in BJJ AND MMA! Mario Sperry was also Abu Dhabi Sumbmission Wrestling multi champion of the open weight division, and won the Caged Combat 1 Australian Championship. The gentleman in white, Murilo Bustamante, was UFC Middleweight Champion. (I'm sure you know, it's for those that don't :-) So, YEAH I think they BOTH know what REALLY works! Sometimes it looks TOO simple to work but that's the beauty of it. Keep training!

[GJJFan]

 ALSO not to mention this IS a SPORT takedown not a MMA/Street Style type folks! LOL

[MrJv1989]

great fighter not so great takedown

[justin016]

man gotta love sperry, always keeping it real

[nizhdar]

chuck norris can take a man down by just asking him.

[fideliskful]

haha i didnt understand one word he said lol, but sick takedown. lol

[BenLCOTkdPkFr]

"he's not dummy, alright?"

classic

[19thaman79]

I've also seen a variation of this with the guy doing the takedown throwing his right leg(in this case) between his opponents legs and dropping back as he pulls with his left arm.

[Navlek79]

i fought 10 people once.... fight is over when police comes.... so it's another form of discipline from there on.... heel sweeps work though... oh and when you get stabbed.... fight's over too...

[FUDGEunit]

@Navlek79

lol true

[clearlynotstefan]

Haha, so speculative though... He's gonna do this, then he's gonna do this, and viola!

[ParkFight]

Very nice!

[J90JAM]

GuamKomudo is a fucking dick, you have clearly never watched UFC. GTFO you retard. Wiegieboard speak the truth ;)

[willybrazily]

tahoewingchun, You are a douchebag and I doubt you have ever been in a actual fight.: " its just not possible 99/100 times." I bet you pulled this statistic out of your mama's behind, you geek punk. I have been in plenty of street fights - the actual type, not the kind you play on you favorite game system- both in America and in Rio de Janeiro and I can tell you that takedowns work.

[zerosbiggestfan]

@willybrazily

why would you want to take someone down in a street fight anyways? alot of the fights i've been in the guys had a buddy standing by who will kick you when you're down. good video though.

[0Chadmander0]

@willybrazily definitely agree if you have somebody who actually knows how to take a shot they are probably going to get a takedown against a some punk on the street plus they probably have a ground game so then they will just dominate when on the ground

[AShallowBay]

@willybrazily Guns work better.

[killermontclair]

@AShallowBay they do, but i have to ask the same question as willybrazily. people talk a big game with guns and it's the easy way out (for the moment). but if you pull a gun on someone, i suggest you be ready to use it and then prepare yourself for the consequences (life sentences, etc.) you pull a gun out someone, piss them off even more and they come at you hard, then what? you have to shoot or you be dead. steet fight, everyone lives, little jail time. i own a gun, but prefer to fight.

[MuSkAandKoStOn8]

@willybrazily Glad to know you've been in a lot of street fights. I can only imagine how hard you are

[fightdelaw47]

Wow, I've never met a Brazilian guido! Getouttaheere!! This fucking guy!!

[tahoewingchun]

figures, just worried about gettin' 2 points. BJJ is lame and has no place on the street. try and submit someone whey they're eye gouging you or striking you in the throat

[GreenGold33]

@tahoewingchun

It's foolish to think that you could stop any experienced fighter with just a simple eye gouge or throat strike. Yes, those strikes can be distracting and painful, but don't expect that strategy to get any good ground fighter off of you.

[tahoewingchun]

I would say its foolish to pretend that you could continue to grapple with a crushed windpipe. A strike to the throat can accomplish that with only a couple pounds of force. Additionally, an actual eye strike is more than "distracting and painful" as are pressure point strikes all over the meridian points. While you may be able to suck it up and "take someone down" there's no way you can submit with a newly blinded eye, or a crushed throat...its just not possible 99/100 times.

[GreenGold33]

What you are assuming is that you'd be able to strike a grappler before he took you down. Has the possibility of him not getting hit ever occurred to you? Is it so impossible for a grappler to block or dodge your strike, especially since you're only talking about specific targets?

The reality is that he would have already closed the distance before you could strike.

[GuamKomudo]

You act as if the only experienced fighters are BJJ fighters... If you try to grapple an experienced knife fighter you are gonna die... Also many Kung fu systems have ground fighting like Shuai Jiao, but it is for fighting, not playing MMA sport... They have guard position (Chinese actually made it) and they have lots of dirty strikes and locks that BJJ guys arn't alowed to do. BJJ is a great system, it is cool! But stop saying BJJ guys are untouchable... Many systems have good ground fighting.

[GreenGold33]

@GuamKomudo I never once said anything about BJJ. The only terms I used were "any experienced fighter", "ground fighter", and "grappler". I was not putting down any style, and I wasn't specifically advocating BJJ. I was just arguing that throat strikes and eye gouges wouldn't be enough to stop a good ground fighter.

[GuamKomudo]

Well... I have yet to see any ground fighter simply shake off a eye ripped out of their socket or their throat crushed... So I guess we will just have to agree to disagree... There is a reason old battle field Jujitsu used by the Samurai had throat strikes, eye gouges, ear pulls, pinching, pressure points, dirty strikes. I'm not putting down ground fighting, but you sound crazy if you think knowing ANY system of combat protects you from your throat being crushed...

[GreenGold33]

@GuamKomudo I am not arguing that a "crushed throat" or an "eye ripped out" would stop someone. That would surely stop anyone. What I'm trying to get at is that most people I see who look down on ground fighting use the same argument over and over again. "Just give 'em an eye gouge/hit their throat/grab their groin." People tend to rely too much on that argument. -continued-

[GreenGold33]

@GuamKomudo -continued-

Of course those things could stop someone, but people like to assume that's all it would take to win the fight. What if you miss? What if he BLOCKS your strike? What if he hits you in the throat first? What if he's too hopped up on adrenaline to feel the pain?

Fights aren't won with a single technique. That's all I mean to say.

[Wiegieboard]

@GuamKomudo You can only poke someones eye out or crush their throat if you have a superior position, therefore, the person with the best positioning=the most likely individual to successfully apply these techniques.

Grabbing someones face or throat from an inferior position is how you get armbarred/choked/ generally mutilated. To my experience, BJJ, Judo and Wrestling are the best combat sports for gaining superior position starting from a standing position. There's my slant on it.

[GuamKomudo]

You can punch, pinch, grab the throat, eyes, ear, lips, hair, bit, stab from a inferior position... You have the upper hand if you know ground fighting, all I'm saying is BJJ is not impossible to beat if you know Kung fu or other arts that teach persure points and places to strike. Especially Kung fu that teaches grappling, because Kung fu is not made for sport. Old Jujitsu had all thoughs things as well, notice it was for killing people while BJJ is for sports...

[Wiegieboard]

@GuamKomudo You've never studied groundfighting have you? I doubt that you've ever been in a fight also if you think that pinching or punching from an inferior position makes any difference at all. You obviously have no concept of position or posture because from an inferior position, you can't reach someones face or eyes and in attempting so, you give up position even more which means that your percentage chance of winning the fight is even lower, especially when your opponent can posture.Newb.

[GuamKomudo]

Whatever man, it depends on which possition your in. And you don't have to reach their face to hurt them... But i guess your right, the ONLY fighting technique that works is BJJ, your right. I bet you know much more then the Samurai did about ground fighting. I mean of course... Why would people that live and breath killing know more then the guys that play BJJ tournaments?

[Wiegieboard]

@GuamKomudo You mean it depends on which position you're in i.e. whether you're in a dominant position or not? I don't see why you'd have much trouble doing it if you were in a dominant position. What I'm talking about is you saying that you could do it from a weak position whilst anyone who knows even the slightest thing about fighting understands that improving your position is infinitely more valuable than trying some kind of low percentage desperation attack from a pathetic position.

[GuamKomudo]

There are reasons these techniques arn't alowed in the sport... People get HURT, people DIE. It's for FIGHTING... If you CAN'T get into a dominant position then you can try a dirty strike. You can get out of lots of BJJ moves if you can use no rules. You're still trying to say BJJ is impossible to beat, all I'm saying is combat Jujitsu and sport Jujitsu are very different, for a good reason...

[Wiegieboard]

@GuamKomudo LOL I'd like to meet the white belts you've been training with who these things work on. They obviously need a new teacher or are still to go through puberty. Getting a pussy ass punch to the balls from the bottom is in no way gonna stop anyone.

Grabbing around a ballsack and yanking like fuck may cause a guy to move a hand down there but what I did in that situation when it happened to me was kill the arm and stick my thumb in his eye from my side control. DOMINANT POSITION WIN.

[GuamKomudo]

You're right, the only fighting method that ever worked in the world is BJJ,no other system  has ever hurt anyone. In fact no one in the world has ever won a BJJ match from an indominant position ever. BJJ guys can't even feel pain, their throats are actually metal, and knives can't hurt them when in indominant position. If you're in dominant position you can't get hurt at all.There's NO WAY out of a dominant position, EVER, you're right =)

[Wiegieboard]

@GuamKomudo You've never been in a fight before have you? And you've never rolled with a BJJ player above white belt have you? You don't win a BJJ match from a weak position or a wrestling match.BJJ guys feel pain but the sort of person who would feel the pain you're talking about in an actual fight wouldn't be in the dominant position to start with. He'd be where you would be...... on the bottom getting schooled due to a lack of knowledge with regards to seemingly anything combat related.

[GuamKomudo]

Yep, you know everything about my life and what I have done in my life. Knife beats BJJ... You can be in full mount and they will stab you and cut you 50 times before you can do shit... Good luck closing the distance when the other guy has a knife. I'm in BJJ, you're arguing in your own world... I'm just saying BJJ guys arn't perfect. I'm not saying it's better to be on bottom, I'm just saying it's possible to get out, and it's easier when you can break the rules.

[Wiegieboard]

@GuamKomudo Talking about trying to close the distance on a guy with a knife proves your inexperience.Sprint training is what you train for against someone wielding a knife unless of course you're carrying a gun.Also, if a human could slash ten times a second (extremely unlikely),that'd be a full five seconds before you were able to move at all by your logic,again proving your inexperience.Yes it's possible to get out from the bottom.That's what Jiu Jitsu teaches,again proving your inexperience.

[GuamKomudo]

You are making up things lol

None of that proves I have no experience lol

Well anyway, I'm done talking to you, you're crazy and stupid... I already said BJJ is better then random people with no training, you are still trying to argue as if I thought BJJ was a bad style... Next time you sprint tword a guy with a knife, take him down, get dominant position and get and armbar without getting stabbed tell me =)

[Wiegieboard]

@GuamKomudo What am I making up?

All of this proves that you have no experience.The very fact that you're talking about trying to fight a guy with a knife proves entirely that you have no experience. Why would I sprint at someone with a knife?Unless you're a mongoloid and probably from a special school for the mentally disabled like you evidently are, you sprint AWAY from someone with a knife.NOT towards them.You don't even attempt to fight someone with a knife,you'd do best to heed this advice.

[GuamKomudo]

I said good luck closing the distance with a guy with a knife and taking him down and you said that's what sprint training is for... I thought you meant that would help you sprint to him fast and get a takedown before he could stab you lol Anyway, it's been fun, bye crazy guy that makes assumtions about people he never met before =D

[Wiegieboard]

@GuamKomudo Crazy guy who makes excellent assumptions.

[Sonicku]

du du du ddd stu stu stu stuter moar?

[SuperHazard2]

he is Brazilian dude, and he is an amazing fighter, I'm surprised to hear him speak that good.

[jakesilv]

I love how he demonstrates this take down. We've tried this in my class and its very difficult for people to learn to use your opponents body weight, strength and balance against him but that is what BJJ is all about when done correctly.

[Tezcatlipoca0047]

Demonlord789 YOU are the dumbass. Get your facts fucking straight! Carlos invented Brazilian Jiu-jitsu not Helio! Carlos taught his kids including Carlos Jr. then Carlos Jr. taught Helio because their dad died and Carlos Jr. took care of his brother Helio-there Helio started making his own techniques based on HIS body. He did not have anything to do with HIS DAD'S INVENTION BECAUSE HE WASN'T BORN YET!!!!!!!!!!!

all he did was improve moves based on him-not anyone else.

[Timok67]

"he not a Dummy"- lol

[ACA400]

i like this dudes style, but thats 1:33 ill never get back, ever again...gone

[amato2]

Why do people write disrespectful comments on here.... apparently some people on here dont know who he is....

[JEBSDUDES]

it's gppd how the techniques are done to him. someone give him a dictionary though

[krunko]

He's from Brazil. Not everyone like you was awesome enough to be taught English as their first language.

[JEBSDUDES]

my bad, just messin' around.

[JTBCP]

Someone should give YOU a dictionary.

"gppd" -JEBSDUDES

[JEBSDUDES]

oh shit, yeah huh. hahaha crazy how karma can kick you in the ass.

[JTBCP]

No worries. Obviously it was unintentional and I'm well aware that the "p" key is right next to the "o" key.

But you shouldn't insult his vocabulary because English isn't his primary language.

[JEBSDUDES]

oh yeah i know. haha. but it was just a joke 'cause Tagalog is my primary language not English.

[sk8death42o]

man this guys attitude is great haha

[thevampiresgirl101]

this guy's a dumb ass

[JimmyPtheman]

Mario sperry? your kidding right?

[KillerXify]

Lmao!^^ you fucken Crack me up Mr.Bournon87! who PUt you in charge of my rights of commentin

[KillerXify]

Hahha! Mr.Bournon87, lets say I was taught some Mix Martial Arts and how you guys were agruing about this video made me laugh!

[MrBourbon87]

Jajajaja! "Killer"sissy, why don't you shut the fuck up and mind your own business.

[KillerXify]

LMAO,what is all this arguing about the MMA practicing knife disarm and gun disarm? lol Im cracking up! YOU GUYS CRACK ME UP! good bye!

[MrBourbon87]

Shut the fuck up cunt, you don' know shit bitch.

[UFCKID123]

well i guess im the only one that notice him studering

[MrBourbon87]

No shit, he's brazilian, that's like an american going to Spanish/Portuguese america and trying to speak Spanish or Portuguese, they would sound even worse.

[Bear2468242]

Your right

But it is a type of kickboxing i believe

Not litterally kickboxing that we use in the states. like i mean you box with your legs and arms, thats what i meant by "Kickboxing" lol

[Bear2468242]

Thats what its called. Muay thai kickboxing its a type of kickboxing lol

[kempobrad]

its commonly referred to as kickboxing, but actually kickboxing was invented in the states. muay thai is muay thai, savate is savate. kickboxing is kickboxing. actually the first person to use the term was bruce lee.

[MrBourbon87]

Yeah but the dominant form of combat is grappling, guaranteed in any conflict (war, street, sport), people are bound to go into grappling.

[kempobrad]

what does that have to do with kickboxing and muay thai not being the same art? and i've seen plenty (a majority actually) of self defense scenarios that did not go to the ground or clinch. just my personal experience but most of the time what i've witnessed is a sucker punch followed by the fellow getting stomped and kicked.

[MrBourbon87]

That's even assuming both fighters are equal in skill, if theyre both equal, then there's a good chance it will end up a grappling match, look at MMA.

[kempobrad]

still what does that have to do with how muay thai and kickboxing are different? mma, as great as it is...is still a sport. two athletes agreeing to fight each other under a specific set of rules, with a ref, no weapons, and a coach in their corner. no doubt they are tough guys in the extreme. but there are still many things they don't prepare for.

[MrBourbon87]

Yeah but you see, they still get badly wounded during the fight, only the referee keeps them from killing eachother. These little homeboys on the street are nothing in a unarmed situation. I never said anything about comparing kickboxing and muay thai, the point is MMA is good because youre trained in both striking and grappling. I'd love to see how long a boxer or kickboxer lasts against a MMA fighter.

[kempobrad]

you replied to my comment about how kickboxing and muay thai are different. i wouldn't say many of them get badly wounded, most of them walk out on their own two legs. thats not badly wounded. anyway, mma is great and those guys are tough as nails, the problem is that none of them focus on street self defense skills. for the rec. i don't consider JKD mma...mma is the sport art IMO. just to clarify.

[MrBourbon87]

How are they different? My strategies but other than that a kick is a kick, a punch is a punch, etc. Yeah but blood is spilt, and some have broken noses, broken teeth, concossions, etc. Those skills aren't good for the street? The U.S. and brazilian militaries use the same combat system (BJJ). JKD can be for sport also. So youre telling me an armlock wouldn't break an arm? Or a chokehold wouldn't choke, etc.? Why do you think they have referees? To control the fight.

[kempobrad]

but the military will also tell you the winner is the guy who's buddy shows up first with a gun. don't assume i'm saying something i'm not saying. does mma practice knife disarms? (no) do they practice gun disarms?(no) do they practice realistic scenarios? (no) do they practice multiple opponents?(no)..not everything is a 1 on 1 cockfight between two fighters. fighting and self defense are not the same thing. being good at one doesn't mean you'll be good at the other necessarily.

[scooch18]

your a fag and I would love to sucker punch you in the back of the head. You know it all keyboard wizard. Instead of commenting on what the experts should or could do. Maybe you should just shut the fuck up since you don't know shit

[kempobrad]

could say the same to you. you threaten me but i'm the keyboard wizard? how mature. what 'experts' are you referring to? professional sport fighters? or self defense professionals who recognize the difference between the two? sucker punch huh?...what? no fair fight? lol

[scooch18]

sorry about the asshole comment but you should be more repesctful to bjj and to mario sperry. They are very well respected players in there indivdual sport and do not incorprate the variety of martial arts that you do. They don't waste there time on martial arts that don't produce results such as your half ass jeet kune do philospy of martial arts

[kempobrad]

how am i disrespecting bjj? the Gracie's themselves have mentioned that "bjj" today has moved away from the self defense art it's supposed to be. and I never said a word against Mario Sperry. originally all i said was that muay thai and kickboxing aren't the same thing. and MrBourbon starts talking about grapplers, and how it applies to fighting, which has nothing to do with my comment.

[MrBourbon87]

It's common sense that in a knife fight, you dodge the knife and once the oppurtunity to counter comes then you take that chance. Their unarmed combat resembles what a real fight would look like unarmed except for following rules. A chokehold, armlock, leglock, etc. would have them tapping out begging for mercy or they'll suffer broken limbs.

[kempobrad]

good luck dodging the knife. i agree their unarmed combat looks like a real FIGHT...not necessarily self defense, they are two different things after all.

[MrBourbon87]

I'm just saying that kickboxing is incomplete without grappling. Yeah it does look real, and it's effective especially against some stupid undisciplined street fighter. Good luck trying to punch against a knife. MMA is combat with rules, but on the street is different, they could strike opponents in any place and there are no referees to save you either meaning with a choke hold you could choke someone to death.

[kempobrad]

who said anything about punching against a knife? its not about street vs sport...to me a 'street fight' is little more than an illegal, unsanctioned sport. which is completely different than someone trying to jack your car, or stick a knife in your ribs while you're at the atm.

[MrBourbon87]

A punch is a punch, a kick is a kick, etc. The point is good luck grappling against a knife. Yeah but in the street, the difference is there's no rules meaning you survive by any means necessary meaning you could head butt, eye gouge, even striking parts of the body forbidden in MMA. Trust me without referees, the rules would'nt be enforced and somebody would be permanently crippled or dead. FYI the u.s. and brazilian militaries BJJ is the same used in MMA with weapons defense+fighting added.

[kempobrad]

good luck grappling a knife? you're the one who says grappling is the best lol ...i'm fully aware of the 'no rules' situation you'll face on the street. my point this entire time has been...you can do all the tournament mma, boxing, judo, bjj you want...it won't prepare you for those types of situations. i am aware bjj teaches SD too, but still 99% of their time is done tournament grappling or vale tudo. not SD

[kempobrad]

as for the military...the MACP will barely (if even) get you a blue belt in Gracie JJ. it says so on their own website. MACP also encompasses many other arts, not just bjj. a basic knowledge of groundwork is all you need. they also tell you you don't win wars by being a good fighter. ask yourself this...why does the army need to add weapons defense if bjj is such a complete art? ..it isn't.

[MrBourbon87]

In terms of unarmed combat yes BJJ is a complete art because, it includes striking, grappling, and ground fighting. Weapons were originally used in BJJ also, but only the Brazilian military uses it. It's a matter of survival also. I said grappling was effective and common in an unarmed situation alone not going unarmed against a blade.

[kempobrad]

it has very few strikes, and very few throws. its 95% groundfighting. which isn't likely where you want to be. there are too many variables to consider to take the fight to the ground all the time. im not saying grappling sucks or they arent good at what they do. i've personally heard the gracies themselves say that learning to strike is unimportant and not necessary.

[MrBourbon87]

It has plenty of takedowns and strikes, however although most fights go to the ground, most fights start while standing. However it's emphasis is mainly on grappling. The u.s. army claims it's solely based on BJJ, the knifefighting aspect is filipino. FYI those "sport arts" started out as combat systems used in warfare. Without referees guaranteed somebody would die or end up permanently cripple at the very least.

[kempobrad]

they don't claim that. get the manual and read it yourself. there are even videos of MACP here on youtube. the main guy himself says the same as me. Matt Larsen i think his name is. just when was boxing, judo, muay thai, or mma used as the main "art' in war? such as kenjutsu was to the samurai for example. never.

[MrBourbon87]

I never said MCMAP, I said Combatives. It depends which samurai you talk about, over time as foreigners came to Japan, others brought influence to them like Chen Yuanbin from china came to Japan and brought his Shuai Jiao (this is the origin of Jujitsu). No only as a resort when a weapon was dropped or broken.

[kempobrad]

i didnt say MCMAP either...i said MACP (army cobatives). china is not the origin of jujitsu..there are plenty of records of jujutsu and similar arts practiced long before chen went there. even then it appears his greatest contribution was not shuai jjiao or chin na, but striking. anyway none of those sport arts were used or developed for war like you said.

[MrBourbon87]

Jujitsu is claimed to have Shuai Jiao influence, and yes these arts were originally developed for war. The samurai wore armor in battle, try striking an armored opponent, that's why grappling was emphasized in Jujitsu and other systems so much. I don't even know why they call them martial "arts", there's no art in it only a combat system of survival. "sport arts" were combat arts except a few rules were added to prevent death in sport.

[kempobrad]

kung fu people claim shuai jiao influence. according to them all martial arts begin with kung fu. i am fully aware of why samurai grappled more than struck. sport..by definition is not war. the war arts were watered down so to speak to make them safer. boxing, muay thai, kickboxing..are not war arts, and never were war arts.

[MrBourbon87]

That's my point , I said these "sport arts" began as combat systems. A kick is a kick, a punch is a punch, it doesnt' matter where they come from and striking was used in war. Kung Fu is pretty much Shuai Jiao with indian influence, that's where Bodhidarma comes in, however it's just a BS theory to have one country claim to be the "mecca" of all combat systems.

[kempobrad]

classically speaking...empty hand fighting was low an on the totem pole. it was all weapons. still is actually.

[MrBourbon87]

Of course, weapons have always been the main use of warfare, however combat systems were used if you got in at close range or drop your weapon.

[kempobrad]

the point is wars aren't and never were won with empty hand fighting. so really no empty hand arts are really 'war' arts.

[MrBourbon87]

They were if you dropped your weapon or if it was broken. Then you defend yourself unarmed and that's when combat arts for warfare were used.

[kempobrad]

i doubt it happend all that often, and if it did, i'd wager the unarmed guy got killed more times than not.

[Evolutionrunbackward]

I thought that all martial arts started with ancient Greek pankration

[kempobrad]

all martial arts were born from a need to protect yourself for various reasons. i think, and its just my opinion, that its kind of silly to say all martial arts come from one place. unless you go back far enough in time of course, where there was some cave man who got beat up by another and figured out he could pick up a rock and bash the other one

[Snoochy2006]

Wow kid, lol...

[JinXuanJun]

muay thai was actually a war art, it was called muay boran back in the days in thailand.

[kempobrad]

from what i've read thats not accurate. muay thai is drawn from muay boran, but is far from the same thing.

[MrBourbon87]

Yeah it would, against other trained fighters and street fighters wouldn't stand a chance. It's unarmed combat, in an unarmed situation on the street, they could handle their own against anybody, you're right though in the sense that they don't teach you weapons or weapons defense, I'll give you that. But the Army's Combatives is based solely off of Jujitsu with weapons fighting added to it.

[kempobrad]

no it isnt ...get the manual. only the first portion is jujitsu. it moves into muay thai, wrestling, and filipino arts as well as many others. you make my point...they dont teach you (or at least put much emphasis) on street scenarios. again...not everything is a fight with you squared up to your opponent. this is a fundamental difference between SD and "fighting" with the person. in a bar fight or something sure a sport art will do you alot of good. noone is denying that.

[Bear2468242]

I wanna take classes for Muay thai kickboxing and jiu jitsu lol

[ScreamAimFire69]

if ur gonna do muay thai then y learn kickboxin......

[superlalo999]

puta q me cayo bien este wn jajajaaj

[iamgodsbrother]

my reaction would've been to headbutt him, but i have a hard head so headbutting comes to mind when im close or see an opening: 1:13

[RightWingCon81]

well, he has an accent. I meant that every action has a reaction meaning if you pull a guy toward you he will back up if you back a guy up he'll come forward. You knew what he meant and didn't need this explanation you just wanted to make fun o a guy with limited skills in English.

[damiraclemanda]

got'em!!

[twyztted]

Mario Sperry is the best

[paba102071]

dummies jaja it is really bad jajaj fools

[CaptainPilsner]

I love this guy.

[ilovesilvia69]

do do de te de do back stick his ummm

[eleszar1]

hahaha he cant talk :P

[cr8zy1995]

hell kick ur ass though lol

[jahdoug]

Gotta love when your takedown dummy is blackbelt Bustamante

[Doomdude999]

hey im felepes student in brazillian jiu jutsu

"zicro"

[doeiffeo]

its yoko sumi gaeshi

[XxBladesOfPainxX]

that guy could rock your socks off and day of the week

[mindtrix00]

"I come here and do takedown... he's not dummy !!"

lol, classic :P

[2submit]

and you are

[Dudongo86]

Tani Otoshi , nice variation, thank"s.