This isn't the first time Christianity has attempted to destroy a religion that is gaining in power by demoralizing them. The Pentagram? That was never considered the symbol of Satan until Wicca, a religion that started to gain popularity right before the witch burnings of pagan origin, that had this symbol for it's 'face' like Christianity bears it's cross. Later, these worshipers were called 'witches' and burned.
"The feeling of commiseration is the beginning of humanity; the feeling of shame and dislike is the beginning of righteousness; the feeling of deference and compliance is the beginning of propriety; and the feeling of right or wrong is the beginning of wisdom."---Mencius
And what happens if someone cannot acknowledge these? "They are not human", by Mencius again!
If u don't know that killing/rape are not good w/o the bible, then u're not a human, by def.
As an atheist, I believe morals come from within your own hearts and mind as well as personal influences. Such as, as a child I once burned my hand on a hot stove burner (as we all may have done) I thought to myself, ow this really fucking hurts. later on I thought if someone made me do this, I would be filled with anger, if I did this to someone else, clearly they would be angry too and may want to hurt me in return. So I thought of it all as a circular motion but different from karma
As an atheist, the only valid reason for not harming others is this: As a conscious rational being, the thought of suffering great pain or dying is terrifying enough, therefore, if other conscious beings also share this fear, then I must respect their rights. However, this does not imply feeling any empathy for people; indeed, I am openly cynical, and proudly nonchalant, for as long as I am not directly responsible for their pain, I can be completely indifferent to their lives.
I've not heard the argument concerning might before. The one I've heard most commonly is that God is just and omniscient, therefore the murders of people he caused could be justified outside of our limited human knowledge. Also that as the creator of everything in the universe God had the right to do whatever he wants to his creations. I find that rather hard to accept, though.
Throughout my life, I have found more acceptance and love from non-religious or atheist people. The religious people I have met have shunned me the most, and for several reasons. It's funny how the outcasts have formed a more loving society than the "religious".
@Moshikashitenai Indeed many Christains learn the ugliness of rape and murder from the bible; it doesn't matter where you glean from so long as that it's the right infromation you've acquired...
31 creationists were brought to tears by the anger of realizing their lives have been stolen from them by religion. Its ok relitards...welcome back to being a Humans :D
that also proves a subjective morals, if you said exp. is the reason of morality :
then a man who has been lied to, will give negative thinking to others, which is bad in some sights. Morality is subjective for peoples, but for Christians they have absolute moral value
anyway, to prove another point on morality. The idea that god speaks to people is both accepted and shunned depending on the persons social status. For example; If a priest clams that god talks to him, he is not considered "crazy" but is inturn considered blessed. Now if a homeless man/woman walks into a church and confesses saying that god talks to him, that priest will not only think hes "crazy" and needs help, but will probably call the police.
So my question is, if you beleive that god talks to people, why would you think one person is crazy over another based on there social status? Also, isn't that moraly incorrect?...
There are people other than theists and atheists. I belive in a creator of teh universe but i don't agree with any religeous conceptions of god other than the fact that he created us.
@Mahobajar No Deism specifically requires that you belive that science will eventually prove that your deity exists whereas i do not neccesarily belive that.
I wish I could remember every thought this video gives, do any other Atheist know of any books that could teach me to argue with theist bullys for what i stand for. you know logic and reason?
@BulldozerBilly I say practice, and lots of it. Once you get comfortable putting on your "lawyer" hat, finding the holes in arguments should become second nature.
@BulldozerBilly Logic and reason is something that you develop over time. Pay attention in school, go to college, think about everything you see and do. Also, watch a lot of these youtube atheist videos as they outline a lot of valid points against theism...
Also, if you really want to throw a wrench into the works, read the bible; who what and where the holes and contradictions are so you can catch them in their double standards and so on.
@micometer Oh I have a good knowledge on the matter. I need to work on my conversations skills in an arguement more ya know? Or thats what I was meaning. Watching these videos have opened my mind, and when I was religious I actually read most of the old testament. I am currently reading God Is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens and it really puts up a great arguement for the theist who say "But what about all the good religion has done for the world?". My next book will be The God Delusion.
I am a Theist and i can say that you seem to be much more moral than many of the religious i have encountered and the fact that you think you should be good for goodness sake and not expecting a reward for it makes you all the purer in your morality.
it's 2011 or the 21st century, the age of information, these videos are just the start. As decades pass, people would actually realize that the concept of god and other superstitions are just plain outdated, if not completely man-made.
It was First written when there were very few people who could read the thing. Then it was translated a few dozen times by people who barely knew how to write.. added a few things just to shape it right for the audience... there's a noticeable difference between ''the fruit, which will bring salvation'', ''the herb that brings salvation'' and the specific fruit whose name was lost somewhere and might have prevented people from dying of starvation.. my guess it's a date palm. Just one example...
metsoforte: "Your videos are some of the best on the topic of critical examination of religion. Well done indeed."
Yes, if you can forget that he engages in many of the same behaviours that he blames on religion. And if you forget that all of these criticisms of religion are yawingly old and overexploited by now.
"However when the person acts on this morality he should be aware that the country he lives in has decided, by its own collective standard of morality, to penalize them."
One, I suppose, could see a strain of evolution in the acceptance and rejection of various types of theology throughout the centuries. One of early Christianity's main driving points was its acceptance of a God without human shortcomings or moral ambiguity - something that classical Western mythology seemed to lack. People who are tired of worshipping the same old gods that just act like spoiled humans would definitely find such an idea attractive, even reassuring.
@SorryStamin Paul, Peter, John and even Jesus himself quoted from the OT (Septuagint, Psalms and the Prophets). You should understand the message and original intent of the language in the Bible better before recommending any sort of religion based on it.
@SorryStamin lol thats ridiculous and already covered in this video, you may feel thats right but over christians would say your wrong and would feel just as passionately as you do. So who is the right person here? not to mention the gospels contridict each other anyway and getting to the full truth of the events and how they occurred would just be matter of luck
To me it seems clear that there is no god, that the concept of god is a creation of man. There is no indication that there is a divine plan or a creator at work in the universe, there is no evidence whatsoever of a divine power or the presence of a god. I believe it reasonable to say that there are certain things we actually do know. We have come to know many things about our world through experience of it. Without new evidence the world I know has no god. I know this, there is no god.
I really like your videos, and as I was watching this it occurred to me that the 'Eye for eye, tooth for tooth' thing was meant to be part of God's law for the magistrate (i.e. executing just one person for their crime instead of them AND their entire family), and Jesus saying 'No, don't do that!' is because people were using this law in their own personal lives to justify revenge.
` I could be wrong, but if this is so, you should use another example of changing morality!
Very nice video. very well placed arguments. Gives me something to chew on and to use as an argument. I never understood anyway where that religious claim came from. I subscribed.
@mikerozo It may. All evidence however points to the fact that it evolved as a mechanism to help us live together in peace. So I'll believe that one until I see evidence of an all powerful creator who takes an active interest in our behaviour.
if there is a "God" people should STFU ! how can you know what he want us to do ? because some man written so ? There are just too many god theories all over the world for any of em to be true, they all are just man made.
I've heard before of people with beliefs that blood transfusions are morally unacceptable, but I've never had it explained to me. Could someone please explain where those people are coming from and what reasons they give for their beliefs?
Also, I loved this video; it's helped me to clear up some issues I'd been mulling over for quite some time.
@TheBlueorigami From what I've heard, some Bible verses prohibit ingesting blood, and really hardcore fundies think this applies to blood transfusions as well. The verses I've heard that support this are Acts 15:29 ("You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood...") and Leviticus 17:10 ("'Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood--I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people."). I say they're crazy to think that.
Furthermore people are well within their rights to believe that under their personal morality murder and rape is acceptable. Society doesn't penalize people for thoughts - only objectively manifested thoughts (conspiracy). However when the person acts on this morality he should be aware that the country he lives in has decided, by its own collective standard of morality, to penalize them. This, he can't change - he has rights of voice (voting against it) or exit (leaving the country).
@LIGHTRONIX Nice flaw. Thanks, I'm using this in a couple days.
Without God there is no morality - therefore, with God there is morality - God says not to kill, but he can, and he can send people to hell, but discredits torture, but promotes it at the same time - God is conflicting his beliefs in different Bible segments - God has not got absolute morality.
There is absolute Morality with God - God has no purpose with morality - God has not got absolute morality.
@devex12345 It is not my belief that God sends people to hell, that is truly unscriptural and twisted by anglo-saxon paganism. Even is he did "send" people to hell, it's the individual "choosing" to go there. So your argument falls apart that God has a contradictory moral standard.
"In short we can't get everything to agree to one moral path."
You are avoiding the issue that there is no objective basis for morality. That being the case, a Christian's morality, or a Hindu's morality or Genghis Khan's morality or a serial killer's morality is every bit as good as yours. One fantasie is as good as another. That is why beating up Christians is sanctimonious - because you are pretending that your fantasie is better than theirs.
@vsaluki Its spelled "fantasy" and using reason and logic to determine an objective conclussion with the help from other cultures is the exact opposite of fantasy. Its is a collaboration of knowledge and subjective needs set against a collective well-being. A fantasy is something made-up. Religion only becomes fantasy when the unprovable is touted as real/true without evidence.
And really, atheists are every bit as stupid as religious people. They have their ideas about what is moral and what is not and they are as sanctimonious about those ideas as religious people are. But ideas about what is moral have changed for the entire history of man. To believe that our secular culture suddenly, now, has all the correct moral ideas and that our current ideas won't change in the future is just delusional.
@vsaluki What are you talking about? We never claimed that they are correct. In fact it's impossible to defin "correct when it comes to morality. The only thing we can do is find a morality that is benificial to every aspect in the universe and this while not impossible is highly unlikely to happen because every intelagent thing has it's own set of morals. We can't force morals because that would break another moral code and deter it from accepting those morals.
"it's impossible to defin "correct when it comes to morality"
It's impossible to say that there is anything objective to morality. It has no more objectivity than god.
"The only thing we can do is find a morality that is benificial to every aspect in the universe"
That's a nice, warm hug, holier than thou, take on morality. But if I want to rape and kill and act like Genghis Khan, then prove to me that I am wrong. In other words, on what basis am I wrong.
"We can't force morals because that would break another moral code "
What moral code, based on what, would it break. Seems to me that you are using some kind of moral code that you consider to be axiomatic, but that is based on absolutely nothing. How are you any different from a religious person? The clip here is certainly as self rightous and as sanctimonious as any religious person.
@vsaluki I meant another as in somthing elses moral code. It's simple nothing is going to follow a moral that contridicts its current moral. This only happens rarely with humans because we are cappable of complex critical thinking. In short we can't get everything to agree to one moral path.
@vsaluki im really having trouble trying to see where your coming from, i agree with you that morals are based on current ideas and will continue to change. but what are you trying to argue?
sometimes it sounds like your taking the more logical position but then you write something retarded like theres no such thing as morality. u know thats not true when you mention the moral ideas of our secular culture. that is morality. atheists are just arguing that we as humans make up our own morality.
@oneadamtwelve86 "atheists are just arguing that we as humans make up our own morality."
Yes, we make up our own morality in the same way that we make up Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and religion. So if you have a code of morality, how are you different from someone who practices a religion. What do you say to someone who tells you that murder and rape is in accordance with his personal, made up morality.
@vsaluki im different from a religious person because i dont claim to know things that i or anybody else can know
i probably wouldnt say anything to a person like that but if i caught him in the act i would do my best to send him to jail, because we have deemed those behaviors punishable.
im never going to agree with all the laws we have on the books, but rape and murder, i agree that if someone gets caught for those he should be dealt with accordingly
"im never going to agree with all the laws we have on the books, but rape and murder, i agree that if someone gets caught for those he should be dealt with accordingly"
Then you have to be claiming to know things that you can't know. How do you know that "dealing with them accordingly" isn't just doing nothing.
You see, you are tied to your own prejudices in the same way as any religious person. But you want to be able to pretend that you are superior.
@vsaluki you are a moron. i never claimed to know things i cant know.
most of us sane people have decided that rape and murder are unnacceptable, if you cant wrap your mind around a concept that simple then, whatever, go talk to somebody else
@oneadamtwelve86 he has got a point to be honest, although i would argue that we all have a sense of natural justice which would link most ppls judgement systems+
@vsaluki Morality - 1.descriptively to refer to some codes of conduct put forward by a society.
2.normatively to refer to a code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.
There actions are immoral by definition and would not be put forward as "codes of conduct" or "rational" actions. It IS POSSIBLE to determine what is right and wrong without absolutes. Placing belief over reason and claiming moral certainty or supremacy is unfounded.
@therabbithole999 "It IS POSSIBLE to determine what is right and wrong without absolutes."
No, it's not. Right and wrong are no more that relativistic social conventions. Rational persons need not agree on codes of conduct or moral conventions.
The next time that you judge anyone's behaviour, remember that you are doing no more that engaging your own prejudices. There really is no difference between you and a religious person other than flavor.
@vsaluki My definition of an abosilute morality has nothing to do with prejudices, it is based on a collective, objective discussion. Morality can change with time but we can come to an agreement on what is moral currently. It needs to be a social discussion though, 1 person claiming absolute morality is just as bad as religion.
@vsaluki We use logic an reason and a collective, objecticetive reasoning to come to a moral conlcusion. The religious follow 2k year old commandments. Thats the difference.
Attacking religious morality as being wrong or attacking god as unknown is again an idiotic approach to this problem. If the resulting morality is right or wrong is irrelevant to the argument about a basis for morality. Religious people have a basis - even if it's wrong. Atheists have no basis for morality. What they practice as morality is current cultural convention. But there is no such thing as morality. You can't find it any more than you can find god.
@vsaluki "what is the basis of your morality"? Can you explain to me why it is wrong to kill or rape?
Both are bad for the collective society, subjectively (for the victim) and objectively (humanity as a whole). This is how a workable morality can be determined (subject to change, yes). Feel free to pose any other moral dillemnas... Basically what i'm getting from your posts is that there is no moraliy and we are all just wasting our time. I would disagree and have...
What a waste of time! Jousting with windmills! Forget attacking Christianity. Even if you could prove conclusively that they have it wrong, it doesn't solve your problem. It still leaves you without an answer to the question "what is the basis of your morality"? Can you explain to me why it is wrong to kill or rape? Your emotional reaction to killing or raping is irrelevant. That reaction is primarily cultural and subject to change.
@KayBeeEee1983 Jehovah's Witnesses believe that since God doesn't like vampirism (or something like that), blood transfusions are sinful, therefore they tell their parishioners to not accept them and the children of said people end up in an awful conundrum because these deluded people think that God will send them/their child to hell for accepting a blood transfusion.
I must point out though that you are being a bit unfair to Descartes: He was talking about their reasoning ability. Pain, etc. were actually described as automatic structures. Descartes was, in other words, ahead of his time in this.
Another good video, but unfortunately the Oxford dictionary definition you used for morality is entirely useless on determining whether or not an act is morally right or wrong. That's why people use what they think God said to determine what's right. Unfortunately, morality IS entirely arbitrary (which in no way supports a divine absolute moral law).
@PhyloGenesis It has been governed by other things as well, such as biological laws, societal structure which is amongst others predicated on what climate you live in, etc.
But that wasn't his point: Can you define morals without gods? Yes, morals are a system of choosing between right and wrong. How arbitrary it is is completely unimportant. Also, since morality is not a singleton, there is no reason to assume that the definition should lead to a set of morals.
@KillaHaakon How arbitrary it is is of utmost importance as deciding what is right and wrong affects every aspect of our lives. Is it wrong of me to scam someone out of their money? Some say yes and that the government should therefore punish those who do it. Others say if they're dumb enough to be swindled so be it. Who is right? Many turn to God for the answer, some turn elsewhere, but ultimately, we must decide what we deem acceptable and unacceptable acts. How can we reach a consensus?
Most people who believe in god like war to so stfu religion is a psychosis.
YOur all murdering Freaks and you all live for satan.
Becauze you know 60% of this planet humand are hungry and live in poor condition and we even use the poor to become better outselfs ,if you want to know how satan looks...look in the mirror
As Sam Harris points out, how can one come to trust that a divine moral absolute exists AND must be followed with their feeble, human moral intuition?
To those who argue that an absolute standard of morality cannot exist without a God, the question is: “Can God make that which is absolutely wrong absolutely right?” Not if he is motivated, but if he has the simple power. Can a god change the absolute? Can an unstoppable force move an immovable object? Of course, if the answer is yes, then absolute morality does not exist, as argued, and if the answer is no, them morality exists regardless of and above God.
@Ital21 Yes!I know!,ovens work as well!!!!!.Thank you for your revealing realization.Your genius insight is inspiration and enlightment for all of us the holy true skeptics haaaahaaahaahaha.
Sceptics and atheists are by virtue moral people?Tell that to the workers in the monkey labs,to the millions of lobotomized, and to the victims of nazi scientists.
@asasasarap Theists are by virtue moral people? Tell that to the victims of 9/11, to the victims of the Spanish Inquisition, and to the victims of the Crusades.
He's not saying that all atheists are moral, but that atheists can be just as moral as theists. Belief in a god has next to no bearing on one's morality, and morality is mostly subjective.
@MrMaster90 I agree,I wanted to do this comment on a similar video claiming atheists are the only true moral and mistook it for that.Yes I apologise.I have objections on almost all of this user videos but I was unfair this time.
@asasasarap "Yes I apologise.I have objections on almost all of this user videos but I was unfair this time."
Honestly, your feeble excuse doesn't fly. Your comment would be outright false and embarrassing regardless of what video you had posted it to. If you actually have objections on almost all the videos from QualiaSoup - You're a fool or a nitpicking clown. They're rock solid arguments in general. Your comment about the virtue of theists makes me land on fool. Watch them again and learn.
@Gnomefro I also like being embarrasing,I'm an idealistic pseudoscientific magical thinking crackpot betrayer of my race,and of my racial notions!!!!!Anyone objecting can suck my multidimentional abominable dicks.You know what's fun.?I ADORE IT.
My mum and dad taught me right from wrong as a child and I try very hard not to do wrong. My mum/dad learned from thier mum/dad so at what point do I need religion to tell me it again? I know its not nice when someone steals from me for instance and would never do it to someone else. I dont need God to tell me its wrong I just know and therefore dont do it!!.
bull crap man, some of the MOST moral kind and honorable people I have ever known are ATHEISTS and some of the most evil pieces of crap are religious.
In regards to religion, whatever floats your boat, as long as it doesn't hurt or otherwise affect people and that you don't try to force other people to be part of it.
I am pretty sure that atheists are morally and intellectually superior because we are more considerate and reflective, it is a lot more plausible and btw, I do not know any creationist that treats animals with respect which makes me angry.
Atheists statistically have WAAY higher IQs and reach higher ethical levels, those studies are banished or ridiculed because it appears to be not allowed to prove human stupidity.
Religion should be forbidden, like they did it with NAZI ideology in Germany.
@TheBritishPlatypus I would be interested to know where you find evidence that atheists have higher IQ's than theists. I personally know many theists who are reasonable, intelligent people, but perhaps I have been very lucky. As for forbidding religion, that would be entirely the wrong way to go. If you want people to stop relying on supernatural phenomenon, you educate them. Forbidding religion would only serve to persecute the religious, and that's a whole lot more Nazi-like.
You are completely right and I am sorry. The last statement was out of anger, not very rational and stupid, I was moody that day. I CAN accept failures, I am less stubborn as you may think.
The IQ part is easy to test. Just ask tested subjects that score high if they are atheistic or simply skeptical..
There are almost no fundamendalistic theists with high IQs. The intelligent theists you mentioned could be skeptical themselves and will turn agnostical/atheistic in the future.
Love the video! I completely agree that one isn't required to believe in a god or a divine absolutes to be of a good moral character, but where would you say morality comes from? Is it simply based on reason, or in the same sense perhaps an adaptation through evolution? When I see people do terrible things, it makes me feel sick, angry, and invokes a sense of defiance toward that type of behavior. Certain behaviors are obviously wrong and unacceptable, but why?
And I mean, no one likes to suffer. You don't, other humans don't. So you can actually say that it is objectively better for humans to live in moral societies. However, you can NOT say that it is objectively BETTER for the WORLD if humans are having a good time as opposed to suffering. But do you really care? The will of living creatures is the only will that exists - there is no god. That puts our will at the top of the list as the most important one.
Qualia Soup's assertion that it is possible to have morality that isn't arbitrary is the only thing he's ever said in his videos that I don't agree with. There is no empathy or experience that one can honestly project onto another, and I've never heard a logically consistent moral argument that didn't admit an arbitrary feature or was socially acceptable
I agree with his refutation of divinely inspired objective morality, but he has not demonstrated that his own morality is any less arbitrary.
@AllOtherNamesTaken2 Morality is a concept thought up by living creatures. Therefor, some things are objectively moral or immoral. Just like health is a human concept, morality is. This means that, even though standards change over time as we progress, we can objectively look at it. You can objectively look at health, and you can objectively look at morals - even though both are human concepts, and the world itself doesn't care about them. Do morals matter? Hell yes, to us it does. We're human.
i actually belive that morality I.E rigth and wrong comes from pack systemes .
like positive for the pack (getting food for the group ,defending the femmales ect)
and negative would be like ( steeling the food ,attacking owne menbers of pack,not respecting the leader and undermining survivabilities) but if the negative is reverse and given to a rival pack or species/predator it becomes possitive and no longer unacceptable so one question to everyone here. is the whole of humanity a single pack ?
You know, in the Old Testament, God was full of Wroth and Vengeance. You did bad stuff, he rained brimstone down on your ungrateful ass or harrassed your people with 7 plagues.
In the New Testament, its like he has turned over a new leaf, you don't hear some much of the nasty things he did to his people (because if you believe in it, everyone on earth is his creation)
You know what happened around the time between the New Testament and the Old Testament?
I like the video even though I'm a Christian. But I am a different Christian than most because I have studied physics and calculus. IMO the right has corrupted and perverted Christianity in the US. And although I don't take the Bible too literally I do believe there is a great amount of wisdom in the Bible. And I think the Old Testament is miraculous in that it was passed around for nearly 1000yrs before there was an alphabet to write it down.
@danthemanvsqz maybe not our alphabet, but written language is older than Judaism. Moreover, there are religions older still which have their holy books, why aren't you a hindu based on that logic?
People treasure that they believe to be sacred. It really isn't a miracle.
@BlackRaptor31 There are many reasons I am a Christian. I pointed out something I found fascinating which seems to have provoked some animosity from you. With all due respect, I think it is miraculous that the Bible stories date back to about 1900 BC and the Hebrew alphabet started in about 900BC and the Greek alphabet started around 600 BC. I also think that Homer's great epics The Illiad and The Odyssey are amazing that they were passed along by memorization for 200 years.
I was told I was going to hell recently, simply because I admitted that I didn't believe in whatever god the pamphleteer believed in. What was most interesting was that the person trying to force me to read something was considerably angrier about my not being bothered by the hell future than he was about my being destined for it. So much for his humanity.
Actually, I'd almost be willing to make an exception and believe in hell just for Thatcher....
i don't like not "having" to think. i like having conversations with myself in query of reality/morality. i guess, should the occasion arise and i feel without obligation to endure the entirety of such an exchange of words amongst myself, that such beliefs can merely be discussed in assumption of identical belief without my participation, so to speak. so, i guess, i am to yeur accord. i am not a whore!
@johnsongM16"We dont know what thought itself is made up of."
Then you've probably never heard of Psychology.
"No such thing as a soul?"
It's a possibility, but it's not as if consciousness can't be physical. A computer could have consciousness if it was programmed that way. Keep in mind that it would be a very complex program.
"Faith itself creates."
Belief doesn't change reality. Having there be nothing after death isn't such an unimaginable prospect. You've already experienced it many times.
@TheMoriMaster Yes, but I just cant accept it. It just that I cant.
And besides, it wouldnt hurt to believe in God, because there is no evil in any of his sayings. And Science has helped humans, but hurt even more! Look at what we are doing to the Earth! WE hate, and we can kill each other in a single push of a button
So, if there is god or not, believeing in one wouldnt hurt at all
@johnsongM16 If I can't accept that there is a sun, does that remove the sun from reality?
Yes there is. God supposedly wants you to believe in a concrete set of moral laws even though morality is not concrete. Your sense of morality is based on context and reasoning. To say that every person who has killed another is idiotic, don't you think?
The yardstick of good is different by every person, and mine is dependent on the Bible. Its like getting a dollar from flipping a coin. u never know until u flip it. But u have nothing to lose right? and I may be wrong, or not. It just give me a reason to be nice to others, and do my duty. You can believe that there isnt a god, i dont care. We are thinking right now, not knowing
@johnsongM16 The 10 commandments? I don't think there are any disclaimers on those. You should be nice to others because you respect others as fellow humans, not because a book told you, and that if you don't listen to what the book said, you'd be tortured for all eternity. I never felt that you were trying to force religion on me or anything; I'm simply stating my criticisms of it. If you feel that I'm acting hostile, then know that I'm not trying to give you that feeling.
@johnsongM16 The coin flip argument is called "Pascal's Wager." Essentially stating that you should believe in God so that you will reap the infinite rewards if He was real. You can read the Wikipedia page on it here:
en(.)wikipedia(.)org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager
It also gives the main criticisms of that argument as well.
@johnsongM16 Without science your life wouldn't be much more than survival. That's all you'd be doing; surviving for the sake of surviving. Without science there is no religion. There is no recreation. There is only survival and turmoil. And it isn't science that's damaging the Earth; it's inefficiency. The reason some of our technology damages our planet is because they are inefficient, something that can be fixed with more science.
@TheMoriMaster You are correct, because without science i wouldn't have enjoyed this video. I do not know who is this person, but he is logical. I am only 13 so, I would probably lose the conflict we are having right now.
Since I was born I believed in god and his existence, and I sometimes wonder if he exists. I still cannot change my opinion
@johnsongM16 Age begins to become meaningless once you hit around 11. Then it's more about your willingness to learn and expose yourself to other ideas. (I'm 15, by the way.)
This isn't the first time Christianity has attempted to destroy a religion that is gaining in power by demoralizing them. The Pentagram? That was never considered the symbol of Satan until Wicca, a religion that started to gain popularity right before the witch burnings of pagan origin, that had this symbol for it's 'face' like Christianity bears it's cross. Later, these worshipers were called 'witches' and burned.
kaminohanshin 2 weeks ago
@qualiasoup Would you please adjust your settings so that all your videos are viewable on mobile and iPad? Thanks!
beautyinbreakdowns2 1 month ago
In the bible Lot gave up his virgin daughters to be raped by an angry mob in order to save 2 angels from being raped. And he was a "righteous" man.
SigmaSigmaGnarly 1 month ago
Wait! I disagree that there's no hell!
There is hell, because I see it every day here in the US. "Hell" is observable, and is totally scietific.
Is it created by god? I don't know...
But I know that at least someone has participated in its creation--the Christians
AkasakaS2000 1 month ago
Too bad that I'm an East Asian:
"The feeling of commiseration is the beginning of humanity; the feeling of shame and dislike is the beginning of righteousness; the feeling of deference and compliance is the beginning of propriety; and the feeling of right or wrong is the beginning of wisdom."---Mencius
And what happens if someone cannot acknowledge these? "They are not human", by Mencius again!
If u don't know that killing/rape are not good w/o the bible, then u're not a human, by def.
AkasakaS2000 1 month ago
As an atheist, I believe morals come from within your own hearts and mind as well as personal influences. Such as, as a child I once burned my hand on a hot stove burner (as we all may have done) I thought to myself, ow this really fucking hurts. later on I thought if someone made me do this, I would be filled with anger, if I did this to someone else, clearly they would be angry too and may want to hurt me in return. So I thought of it all as a circular motion but different from karma
chriswereheer 1 month ago
The Bible isn't very hard on rape.
(Unless you're raping a married woman.)
DannyPhantomBeast 1 month ago
As an atheist, the only valid reason for not harming others is this: As a conscious rational being, the thought of suffering great pain or dying is terrifying enough, therefore, if other conscious beings also share this fear, then I must respect their rights. However, this does not imply feeling any empathy for people; indeed, I am openly cynical, and proudly nonchalant, for as long as I am not directly responsible for their pain, I can be completely indifferent to their lives.
VincitOmniaVerit 2 months ago
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VincitOmniaVerit 2 months ago
lol @ 0:34
58jf59 2 months ago
I've not heard the argument concerning might before. The one I've heard most commonly is that God is just and omniscient, therefore the murders of people he caused could be justified outside of our limited human knowledge. Also that as the creator of everything in the universe God had the right to do whatever he wants to his creations. I find that rather hard to accept, though.
deadstillcurious 2 months ago
I know people that are atheist and moral, on their views killing and lying are questionable values, not morally incorrect.
Next, please.
Desadash 3 months ago
Throughout my life, I have found more acceptance and love from non-religious or atheist people. The religious people I have met have shunned me the most, and for several reasons. It's funny how the outcasts have formed a more loving society than the "religious".
neighbor1961 3 months ago
@neighbor1961 It's because we know that feeling. And tolerance is more emotionally pleasing than intolerance
chriswereheer 1 month ago
God in the bible justifies his claims with power - he thinks might makes right in Job 38 and Deut 28
unassumption 3 months ago in playlist More videos from QualiaSoup
If Christians need a god to tell them that rape and murder are wrong, then they need help.
Moshikashitenai 3 months ago
@Moshikashitenai Indeed many Christains learn the ugliness of rape and murder from the bible; it doesn't matter where you glean from so long as that it's the right infromation you've acquired...
(the dots are for a dramatic affect, lol)
FauxShizzle9 3 months ago
@Moshikashitenai you miss understand it all, its not about saying its wrong, its defending its position.
you cant attack Hitler, he won power through an election. and his people thrived, white germans etc.
quezcatol 3 months ago
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chriswereheer 1 month ago
31 creationists were brought to tears by the anger of realizing their lives have been stolen from them by religion. Its ok relitards...welcome back to being a Humans :D
699backstab 4 months ago
that also proves a subjective morals, if you said exp. is the reason of morality :
then a man who has been lied to, will give negative thinking to others, which is bad in some sights. Morality is subjective for peoples, but for Christians they have absolute moral value
INYO121277 4 months ago
anyway, to prove another point on morality. The idea that god speaks to people is both accepted and shunned depending on the persons social status. For example; If a priest clams that god talks to him, he is not considered "crazy" but is inturn considered blessed. Now if a homeless man/woman walks into a church and confesses saying that god talks to him, that priest will not only think hes "crazy" and needs help, but will probably call the police.
Rochette92Y 4 months ago
So my question is, if you beleive that god talks to people, why would you think one person is crazy over another based on there social status? Also, isn't that moraly incorrect?...
Rochette92Y 4 months ago
all these vid's make me smile in a "HA, in your FACE" type of way
Rochette92Y 4 months ago
There are people other than theists and atheists. I belive in a creator of teh universe but i don't agree with any religeous conceptions of god other than the fact that he created us.
CatalystGamingUK 4 months ago
@CatalystGamingUK That's called deism, and it's usually regarded as a branch of theism, although certain definitions will exclude it.
Mahobajar 4 months ago
@Mahobajar No Deism specifically requires that you belive that science will eventually prove that your deity exists whereas i do not neccesarily belive that.
CatalystGamingUK 4 months ago
Divine Absolute Morality Negated = DAMN
rmj2bpresident 5 months ago
@rmj2bpresident That was brilliant
MarianFK 5 months ago
I wish I could remember every thought this video gives, do any other Atheist know of any books that could teach me to argue with theist bullys for what i stand for. you know logic and reason?
BulldozerBilly 5 months ago
@BulldozerBilly I say practice, and lots of it. Once you get comfortable putting on your "lawyer" hat, finding the holes in arguments should become second nature.
Anasastu 5 months ago
@Anasastu "Lawyer Hat" haha i like it :)
BulldozerBilly 5 months ago
@BulldozerBilly Logic and reason is something that you develop over time. Pay attention in school, go to college, think about everything you see and do. Also, watch a lot of these youtube atheist videos as they outline a lot of valid points against theism...
Also, if you really want to throw a wrench into the works, read the bible; who what and where the holes and contradictions are so you can catch them in their double standards and so on.
Good luck!
micometer 4 months ago
@micometer Oh I have a good knowledge on the matter. I need to work on my conversations skills in an arguement more ya know? Or thats what I was meaning. Watching these videos have opened my mind, and when I was religious I actually read most of the old testament. I am currently reading God Is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens and it really puts up a great arguement for the theist who say "But what about all the good religion has done for the world?". My next book will be The God Delusion.
BulldozerBilly 4 months ago
I am a Theist and i can say that you seem to be much more moral than many of the religious i have encountered and the fact that you think you should be good for goodness sake and not expecting a reward for it makes you all the purer in your morality.
FattyMcFox 5 months ago
@FattyMcFox thats how many of us non non believers are =)
goaliedude32 5 months ago
@FattyMcFox I think I love you now. Atheist peace XD!
MarianFK 5 months ago
@MarianFK Weather people believe in a god or not, doing good for the sake of good is a beautiful thing. Peace.
FattyMcFox 5 months ago
Holy shit. A blue cat.
exodus9001 6 months ago
it's 2011 or the 21st century, the age of information, these videos are just the start. As decades pass, people would actually realize that the concept of god and other superstitions are just plain outdated, if not completely man-made.
TheMrScribbler 6 months ago
It was First written when there were very few people who could read the thing. Then it was translated a few dozen times by people who barely knew how to write.. added a few things just to shape it right for the audience... there's a noticeable difference between ''the fruit, which will bring salvation'', ''the herb that brings salvation'' and the specific fruit whose name was lost somewhere and might have prevented people from dying of starvation.. my guess it's a date palm. Just one example...
Zandonus 6 months ago
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metsoforte: "Your videos are some of the best on the topic of critical examination of religion. Well done indeed."
Yes, if you can forget that he engages in many of the same behaviours that he blames on religion. And if you forget that all of these criticisms of religion are yawingly old and overexploited by now.
vsaluki 6 months ago
"However when the person acts on this morality he should be aware that the country he lives in has decided, by its own collective standard of morality, to penalize them."
I call that coersion by force, not morality.
vsaluki 6 months ago
religion, the ultimate example of fanboyism.
boing615 6 months ago
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@boing615
"religion, the ultimate example of fanboyism."
Today, atheism is an even bigger example of fanboyism. It seems to be
human nature to replace one form of BS with a more fashionable form of BS
at least once per generation. And of course each generation firmly believes
that their form of BS is the real deal. It's part of the psychology of wanting to
belong to a group while at the same time feeling superior to other groups.
vsaluki 6 months ago
"Turn the other cheek while slapping you in the face?"
I can imagine Jesus doing that.
wokkitout 6 months ago
Your videos rock.
lewisner 6 months ago
Fuck the absolute standard. There is nuance in EVERYTHING.
PalulukanMakto 6 months ago
One, I suppose, could see a strain of evolution in the acceptance and rejection of various types of theology throughout the centuries. One of early Christianity's main driving points was its acceptance of a God without human shortcomings or moral ambiguity - something that classical Western mythology seemed to lack. People who are tired of worshipping the same old gods that just act like spoiled humans would definitely find such an idea attractive, even reassuring.
Love the videos, btw!
FraterOST 6 months ago
Your videos are some of the best on the topic of critical examination of religion. Well done indeed.
metsoforte 7 months ago
A true Christian should recognize only the gospels, as that is the closest you'll get to a God.
SorryStamin 7 months ago
@SorryStamin Paul, Peter, John and even Jesus himself quoted from the OT (Septuagint, Psalms and the Prophets). You should understand the message and original intent of the language in the Bible better before recommending any sort of religion based on it.
GuruEvi 6 months ago
@GuruEvi I'm sorry could you dumb it down I didn't get what you said xD sorry
SorryStamin 6 months ago
@SorryStamin lol thats ridiculous and already covered in this video, you may feel thats right but over christians would say your wrong and would feel just as passionately as you do. So who is the right person here? not to mention the gospels contridict each other anyway and getting to the full truth of the events and how they occurred would just be matter of luck
Richdavt 6 months ago
@Richdavt I wasn't saying that the gospels were at all 'good.' I fucking hate Christianity. If I could go back I would have put 'God.'
SorryStamin 6 months ago
To me it seems clear that there is no god, that the concept of god is a creation of man. There is no indication that there is a divine plan or a creator at work in the universe, there is no evidence whatsoever of a divine power or the presence of a god. I believe it reasonable to say that there are certain things we actually do know. We have come to know many things about our world through experience of it. Without new evidence the world I know has no god. I know this, there is no god.
scotty 7 months ago
I really like your videos, and as I was watching this it occurred to me that the 'Eye for eye, tooth for tooth' thing was meant to be part of God's law for the magistrate (i.e. executing just one person for their crime instead of them AND their entire family), and Jesus saying 'No, don't do that!' is because people were using this law in their own personal lives to justify revenge.
` I could be wrong, but if this is so, you should use another example of changing morality!
DoctorNociceptor 7 months ago
Very nice video. very well placed arguments. Gives me something to chew on and to use as an argument. I never understood anyway where that religious claim came from. I subscribed.
Ranokian 7 months ago
"Thou shalt do as God says not as God does" -> Bible in one sentence
unamaxify 7 months ago
morality may come from god, you dont have to belive in god to be his creation.
mikerozo 7 months ago
@mikerozo It may. All evidence however points to the fact that it evolved as a mechanism to help us live together in peace. So I'll believe that one until I see evidence of an all powerful creator who takes an active interest in our behaviour.
limericklad2000 7 months ago
if there is a "God" people should STFU ! how can you know what he want us to do ? because some man written so ? There are just too many god theories all over the world for any of em to be true, they all are just man made.
mikerozo 7 months ago
I've heard before of people with beliefs that blood transfusions are morally unacceptable, but I've never had it explained to me. Could someone please explain where those people are coming from and what reasons they give for their beliefs?
Also, I loved this video; it's helped me to clear up some issues I'd been mulling over for quite some time.
TheBlueorigami 7 months ago
@TheBlueorigami From what I've heard, some Bible verses prohibit ingesting blood, and really hardcore fundies think this applies to blood transfusions as well. The verses I've heard that support this are Acts 15:29 ("You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood...") and Leviticus 17:10 ("'Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood--I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people."). I say they're crazy to think that.
Hannaitlyn 7 months ago
@Hannaitlyn I see... Yeah, that's pretty out there. o_O That was very helpful; thank you! ^_^
TheBlueorigami 7 months ago
@vsaluki
Furthermore people are well within their rights to believe that under their personal morality murder and rape is acceptable. Society doesn't penalize people for thoughts - only objectively manifested thoughts (conspiracy). However when the person acts on this morality he should be aware that the country he lives in has decided, by its own collective standard of morality, to penalize them. This, he can't change - he has rights of voice (voting against it) or exit (leaving the country).
tichondrius255 7 months ago
The three most descriptive words in this whole vid were "self serving interests". Pretty much says it all for you. Self serving.
bheadh 7 months ago
Saying God is immoral assumes that there is such thing as morality. Without God there is no absolute morality.
LIGHTRONIX 7 months ago
@LIGHTRONIX Nice flaw. Thanks, I'm using this in a couple days.
Without God there is no morality - therefore, with God there is morality - God says not to kill, but he can, and he can send people to hell, but discredits torture, but promotes it at the same time - God is conflicting his beliefs in different Bible segments - God has not got absolute morality.
There is absolute Morality with God - God has no purpose with morality - God has not got absolute morality.
devex12345 7 months ago
@devex12345 It is not my belief that God sends people to hell, that is truly unscriptural and twisted by anglo-saxon paganism. Even is he did "send" people to hell, it's the individual "choosing" to go there. So your argument falls apart that God has a contradictory moral standard.
LIGHTRONIX 7 months ago
Blood flows in, morality flows out.
watermelonygoodness 8 months ago
"In short we can't get everything to agree to one moral path."
You are avoiding the issue that there is no objective basis for morality. That being the case, a Christian's morality, or a Hindu's morality or Genghis Khan's morality or a serial killer's morality is every bit as good as yours. One fantasie is as good as another. That is why beating up Christians is sanctimonious - because you are pretending that your fantasie is better than theirs.
vsaluki 8 months ago
@vsaluki Its spelled "fantasy" and using reason and logic to determine an objective conclussion with the help from other cultures is the exact opposite of fantasy. Its is a collaboration of knowledge and subjective needs set against a collective well-being. A fantasy is something made-up. Religion only becomes fantasy when the unprovable is touted as real/true without evidence.
therabbithole999 6 months ago
And really, atheists are every bit as stupid as religious people. They have their ideas about what is moral and what is not and they are as sanctimonious about those ideas as religious people are. But ideas about what is moral have changed for the entire history of man. To believe that our secular culture suddenly, now, has all the correct moral ideas and that our current ideas won't change in the future is just delusional.
vsaluki 8 months ago
@vsaluki What are you talking about? We never claimed that they are correct. In fact it's impossible to defin "correct when it comes to morality. The only thing we can do is find a morality that is benificial to every aspect in the universe and this while not impossible is highly unlikely to happen because every intelagent thing has it's own set of morals. We can't force morals because that would break another moral code and deter it from accepting those morals.
f00tstep 8 months ago
@f00tstep
"it's impossible to defin "correct when it comes to morality"
It's impossible to say that there is anything objective to morality. It has no more objectivity than god.
"The only thing we can do is find a morality that is benificial to every aspect in the universe"
That's a nice, warm hug, holier than thou, take on morality. But if I want to rape and kill and act like Genghis Khan, then prove to me that I am wrong. In other words, on what basis am I wrong.
vsaluki 8 months ago
@f00tstep
"We can't force morals because that would break another moral code "
What moral code, based on what, would it break. Seems to me that you are using some kind of moral code that you consider to be axiomatic, but that is based on absolutely nothing. How are you any different from a religious person? The clip here is certainly as self rightous and as sanctimonious as any religious person.
vsaluki 8 months ago
@vsaluki I meant another as in somthing elses moral code. It's simple nothing is going to follow a moral that contridicts its current moral. This only happens rarely with humans because we are cappable of complex critical thinking. In short we can't get everything to agree to one moral path.
f00tstep 8 months ago
@vsaluki Alos explanation doesn't make somthing sanctimonious.
f00tstep 8 months ago
@vsaluki im really having trouble trying to see where your coming from, i agree with you that morals are based on current ideas and will continue to change. but what are you trying to argue?
sometimes it sounds like your taking the more logical position but then you write something retarded like theres no such thing as morality. u know thats not true when you mention the moral ideas of our secular culture. that is morality. atheists are just arguing that we as humans make up our own morality.
oneadamtwelve86 8 months ago
@oneadamtwelve86 "atheists are just arguing that we as humans make up our own morality."
Yes, we make up our own morality in the same way that we make up Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and religion. So if you have a code of morality, how are you different from someone who practices a religion. What do you say to someone who tells you that murder and rape is in accordance with his personal, made up morality.
vsaluki 8 months ago
@vsaluki im different from a religious person because i dont claim to know things that i or anybody else can know
i probably wouldnt say anything to a person like that but if i caught him in the act i would do my best to send him to jail, because we have deemed those behaviors punishable.
im never going to agree with all the laws we have on the books, but rape and murder, i agree that if someone gets caught for those he should be dealt with accordingly
oneadamtwelve86 8 months ago
@oneadamtwelve86
"im never going to agree with all the laws we have on the books, but rape and murder, i agree that if someone gets caught for those he should be dealt with accordingly"
Then you have to be claiming to know things that you can't know. How do you know that "dealing with them accordingly" isn't just doing nothing.
You see, you are tied to your own prejudices in the same way as any religious person. But you want to be able to pretend that you are superior.
vsaluki 6 months ago
@vsaluki you are a moron. i never claimed to know things i cant know.
most of us sane people have decided that rape and murder are unnacceptable, if you cant wrap your mind around a concept that simple then, whatever, go talk to somebody else
oneadamtwelve86 6 months ago
@oneadamtwelve86 he has got a point to be honest, although i would argue that we all have a sense of natural justice which would link most ppls judgement systems+
Richdavt 6 months ago
@vsaluki Morality - 1.descriptively to refer to some codes of conduct put forward by a society.
2.normatively to refer to a code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.
There actions are immoral by definition and would not be put forward as "codes of conduct" or "rational" actions. It IS POSSIBLE to determine what is right and wrong without absolutes. Placing belief over reason and claiming moral certainty or supremacy is unfounded.
therabbithole999 7 months ago
@therabbithole999 "It IS POSSIBLE to determine what is right and wrong without absolutes."
No, it's not. Right and wrong are no more that relativistic social conventions. Rational persons need not agree on codes of conduct or moral conventions.
The next time that you judge anyone's behaviour, remember that you are doing no more that engaging your own prejudices. There really is no difference between you and a religious person other than flavor.
vsaluki 6 months ago
@vsaluki My definition of an abosilute morality has nothing to do with prejudices, it is based on a collective, objective discussion. Morality can change with time but we can come to an agreement on what is moral currently. It needs to be a social discussion though, 1 person claiming absolute morality is just as bad as religion.
therabbithole999 6 months ago
@vsaluki We use logic an reason and a collective, objecticetive reasoning to come to a moral conlcusion. The religious follow 2k year old commandments. Thats the difference.
therabbithole999 6 months ago
Attacking religious morality as being wrong or attacking god as unknown is again an idiotic approach to this problem. If the resulting morality is right or wrong is irrelevant to the argument about a basis for morality. Religious people have a basis - even if it's wrong. Atheists have no basis for morality. What they practice as morality is current cultural convention. But there is no such thing as morality. You can't find it any more than you can find god.
vsaluki 8 months ago
@vsaluki "what is the basis of your morality"? Can you explain to me why it is wrong to kill or rape?
Both are bad for the collective society, subjectively (for the victim) and objectively (humanity as a whole). This is how a workable morality can be determined (subject to change, yes). Feel free to pose any other moral dillemnas... Basically what i'm getting from your posts is that there is no moraliy and we are all just wasting our time. I would disagree and have...
therabbithole999 6 months ago
What a waste of time! Jousting with windmills! Forget attacking Christianity. Even if you could prove conclusively that they have it wrong, it doesn't solve your problem. It still leaves you without an answer to the question "what is the basis of your morality"? Can you explain to me why it is wrong to kill or rape? Your emotional reaction to killing or raping is irrelevant. That reaction is primarily cultural and subject to change.
vsaluki 8 months ago
@vsaluki how do you feel about murder and rape, and why?
goaliedude32 5 months ago
Who thinks it's morally acceptable to withhold a blood transfusion from a dying child?
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
@KayBeeEee1983 Jehovah's Witnesses believe that since God doesn't like vampirism (or something like that), blood transfusions are sinful, therefore they tell their parishioners to not accept them and the children of said people end up in an awful conundrum because these deluded people think that God will send them/their child to hell for accepting a blood transfusion.
calthopian 8 months ago
@calthopian That is so stupid. Natural selection at work.
KayBeeEee1983 8 months ago
a masochist could want to go to hell
SuperZslayer 8 months ago
I must point out though that you are being a bit unfair to Descartes: He was talking about their reasoning ability. Pain, etc. were actually described as automatic structures. Descartes was, in other words, ahead of his time in this.
KillaHaakon 9 months ago
Another good video, but unfortunately the Oxford dictionary definition you used for morality is entirely useless on determining whether or not an act is morally right or wrong. That's why people use what they think God said to determine what's right. Unfortunately, morality IS entirely arbitrary (which in no way supports a divine absolute moral law).
PhyloGenesis 9 months ago
@PhyloGenesis It has been governed by other things as well, such as biological laws, societal structure which is amongst others predicated on what climate you live in, etc.
But that wasn't his point: Can you define morals without gods? Yes, morals are a system of choosing between right and wrong. How arbitrary it is is completely unimportant. Also, since morality is not a singleton, there is no reason to assume that the definition should lead to a set of morals.
KillaHaakon 9 months ago
@KillaHaakon How arbitrary it is is of utmost importance as deciding what is right and wrong affects every aspect of our lives. Is it wrong of me to scam someone out of their money? Some say yes and that the government should therefore punish those who do it. Others say if they're dumb enough to be swindled so be it. Who is right? Many turn to God for the answer, some turn elsewhere, but ultimately, we must decide what we deem acceptable and unacceptable acts. How can we reach a consensus?
PhyloGenesis 9 months ago
William Lane Craig needs to watch this.
tardans1 9 months ago
Most people who believe in god like war to so stfu religion is a psychosis.
YOur all murdering Freaks and you all live for satan.
Becauze you know 60% of this planet humand are hungry and live in poor condition and we even use the poor to become better outselfs ,if you want to know how satan looks...look in the mirror
Wazztheweasel 9 months ago
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Wazztheweasel 9 months ago
As Sam Harris points out, how can one come to trust that a divine moral absolute exists AND must be followed with their feeble, human moral intuition?
superwolf76 10 months ago
Großartig! :)
janeyanna 10 months ago
To those who argue that an absolute standard of morality cannot exist without a God, the question is: “Can God make that which is absolutely wrong absolutely right?” Not if he is motivated, but if he has the simple power. Can a god change the absolute? Can an unstoppable force move an immovable object? Of course, if the answer is yes, then absolute morality does not exist, as argued, and if the answer is no, them morality exists regardless of and above God.
jillum89 10 months ago
Logic works, bitches! XD
Ital21 10 months ago
@Ital21 Yes!I know!,ovens work as well!!!!!.Thank you for your revealing realization.Your genius insight is inspiration and enlightment for all of us the holy true skeptics haaaahaaahaahaha.
asasasarap 10 months ago
@asasasarap Your sarcasm is juvenile at best and your pretentious intellectual fallacies precede you.
Ital21 10 months ago
I love your videos. You put what I feel into better words.
StealthMarmot 10 months ago
Sceptics and atheists are by virtue moral people?Tell that to the workers in the monkey labs,to the millions of lobotomized, and to the victims of nazi scientists.
asasasarap 10 months ago
@asasasarap Theists are by virtue moral people? Tell that to the victims of 9/11, to the victims of the Spanish Inquisition, and to the victims of the Crusades.
He's not saying that all atheists are moral, but that atheists can be just as moral as theists. Belief in a god has next to no bearing on one's morality, and morality is mostly subjective.
MrMaster90 10 months ago
@MrMaster90 I agree,I wanted to do this comment on a similar video claiming atheists are the only true moral and mistook it for that.Yes I apologise.I have objections on almost all of this user videos but I was unfair this time.
asasasarap 10 months ago
@asasasarap "Yes I apologise.I have objections on almost all of this user videos but I was unfair this time."
Honestly, your feeble excuse doesn't fly. Your comment would be outright false and embarrassing regardless of what video you had posted it to. If you actually have objections on almost all the videos from QualiaSoup - You're a fool or a nitpicking clown. They're rock solid arguments in general. Your comment about the virtue of theists makes me land on fool. Watch them again and learn.
Gnomefro 9 months ago
@Gnomefro Back your claim.What comments are you talking about exactly?And what is your argument exactly?
asasasarap 9 months ago
@Gnomefro I also like being embarrasing,I'm an idealistic pseudoscientific magical thinking crackpot betrayer of my race,and of my racial notions!!!!!Anyone objecting can suck my multidimentional abominable dicks.You know what's fun.?I ADORE IT.
asasasarap 9 months ago
My mum and dad taught me right from wrong as a child and I try very hard not to do wrong. My mum/dad learned from thier mum/dad so at what point do I need religion to tell me it again? I know its not nice when someone steals from me for instance and would never do it to someone else. I dont need God to tell me its wrong I just know and therefore dont do it!!.
andysim232 10 months ago
QualiaSoup's videos deserve way more views.
nichtmuttersprachler 10 months ago
bull crap man, some of the MOST moral kind and honorable people I have ever known are ATHEISTS and some of the most evil pieces of crap are religious.
Zurround100 11 months ago
5:50 I laughed at the classic WBC picket sign.
DvineGaming 11 months ago
I just came across these videos today and find them very informative. I especially like the whimsical illustrative graphics. Good job Qualia Soup.
kinc1967 11 months ago
In regards to religion, whatever floats your boat, as long as it doesn't hurt or otherwise affect people and that you don't try to force other people to be part of it.
DakDarklighter 11 months ago
I am pretty sure that atheists are morally and intellectually superior because we are more considerate and reflective, it is a lot more plausible and btw, I do not know any creationist that treats animals with respect which makes me angry.
Atheists statistically have WAAY higher IQs and reach higher ethical levels, those studies are banished or ridiculed because it appears to be not allowed to prove human stupidity.
Religion should be forbidden, like they did it with NAZI ideology in Germany.
TheBritishPlatypus 11 months ago
@TheBritishPlatypus I would be interested to know where you find evidence that atheists have higher IQ's than theists. I personally know many theists who are reasonable, intelligent people, but perhaps I have been very lucky. As for forbidding religion, that would be entirely the wrong way to go. If you want people to stop relying on supernatural phenomenon, you educate them. Forbidding religion would only serve to persecute the religious, and that's a whole lot more Nazi-like.
booljayj 11 months ago
@booljayj
You are completely right and I am sorry. The last statement was out of anger, not very rational and stupid, I was moody that day. I CAN accept failures, I am less stubborn as you may think.
The IQ part is easy to test. Just ask tested subjects that score high if they are atheistic or simply skeptical..
There are almost no fundamendalistic theists with high IQs. The intelligent theists you mentioned could be skeptical themselves and will turn agnostical/atheistic in the future.
TheBritishPlatypus 11 months ago
Love the video! I completely agree that one isn't required to believe in a god or a divine absolutes to be of a good moral character, but where would you say morality comes from? Is it simply based on reason, or in the same sense perhaps an adaptation through evolution? When I see people do terrible things, it makes me feel sick, angry, and invokes a sense of defiance toward that type of behavior. Certain behaviors are obviously wrong and unacceptable, but why?
jfontenot1791 11 months ago
And I mean, no one likes to suffer. You don't, other humans don't. So you can actually say that it is objectively better for humans to live in moral societies. However, you can NOT say that it is objectively BETTER for the WORLD if humans are having a good time as opposed to suffering. But do you really care? The will of living creatures is the only will that exists - there is no god. That puts our will at the top of the list as the most important one.
vOddy75 11 months ago
Qualia Soup's assertion that it is possible to have morality that isn't arbitrary is the only thing he's ever said in his videos that I don't agree with. There is no empathy or experience that one can honestly project onto another, and I've never heard a logically consistent moral argument that didn't admit an arbitrary feature or was socially acceptable
I agree with his refutation of divinely inspired objective morality, but he has not demonstrated that his own morality is any less arbitrary.
AllOtherNamesTaken2 11 months ago
@AllOtherNamesTaken2 Morality is a concept thought up by living creatures. Therefor, some things are objectively moral or immoral. Just like health is a human concept, morality is. This means that, even though standards change over time as we progress, we can objectively look at it. You can objectively look at health, and you can objectively look at morals - even though both are human concepts, and the world itself doesn't care about them. Do morals matter? Hell yes, to us it does. We're human.
vOddy75 11 months ago
i actually belive that morality I.E rigth and wrong comes from pack systemes .
like positive for the pack (getting food for the group ,defending the femmales ect)
and negative would be like ( steeling the food ,attacking owne menbers of pack,not respecting the leader and undermining survivabilities) but if the negative is reverse and given to a rival pack or species/predator it becomes possitive and no longer unacceptable so one question to everyone here. is the whole of humanity a single pack ?
fullmoonofwhite 11 months ago
Emotion ???
33dgtp 1 year ago
clocks are much more productive than cats
aavallone 1 year ago
'That speaks volumes about the worthiness of those values'
Um...nice objective statement.
I thought morality was subjective.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
Brilliant!
buktomsin 1 year ago
I bet you have not even read the bible. A chapter here a chapter there will only confuse you as I can see you truely are.
whitediver45 1 year ago
@whitediver45 Troll-much? Exodus 21:20,21 its the Judeo-Christian god teaching us about his absolute morals and Psalms 137:9 ohhh he loves babies!:)
And there's usually a lack of confusing when your morals are derived from logic and cognitive reasoning...
buktomsin 1 year ago
You make me so happy :) It gives me hope that there may be less stupidity in the world my children will live in.
gingergiggles 1 year ago
@gingergiggles How could we possibly hurt you for that? That was amazing?
DissenteensInRevolt 11 months ago
@DissenteensInRevolt ..hu?
gingergiggles 11 months ago
You know, in the Old Testament, God was full of Wroth and Vengeance. You did bad stuff, he rained brimstone down on your ungrateful ass or harrassed your people with 7 plagues.
In the New Testament, its like he has turned over a new leaf, you don't hear some much of the nasty things he did to his people (because if you believe in it, everyone on earth is his creation)
You know what happened around the time between the New Testament and the Old Testament?
He got laid.
jk don't hurt me
VestriDeusEstMortuus 1 year ago
I like the video even though I'm a Christian. But I am a different Christian than most because I have studied physics and calculus. IMO the right has corrupted and perverted Christianity in the US. And although I don't take the Bible too literally I do believe there is a great amount of wisdom in the Bible. And I think the Old Testament is miraculous in that it was passed around for nearly 1000yrs before there was an alphabet to write it down.
danthemanvsqz 1 year ago
@danthemanvsqz maybe not our alphabet, but written language is older than Judaism. Moreover, there are religions older still which have their holy books, why aren't you a hindu based on that logic?
People treasure that they believe to be sacred. It really isn't a miracle.
BlackRaptor31 1 year ago
@BlackRaptor31 There are many reasons I am a Christian. I pointed out something I found fascinating which seems to have provoked some animosity from you. With all due respect, I think it is miraculous that the Bible stories date back to about 1900 BC and the Hebrew alphabet started in about 900BC and the Greek alphabet started around 600 BC. I also think that Homer's great epics The Illiad and The Odyssey are amazing that they were passed along by memorization for 200 years.
danthemanvsqz 1 year ago
I don't like how some Atheist would say "I'd rather go to hell then". Why would you want that? What if it "was" real?
anythingnew 1 year ago
@anythingnew That's pascals wager. It has been debunked.
shoopoop21 1 year ago
@MrPositivekarma
I wonder how do you define good and evil by reason and social dynamic.
there is no way you can give example or purely evil or good action.
Belief in God just simplifies this like always when you dont know something you declare that god made it so, but nothing changes really.
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jenitadias 1 year ago
good? bad? you know those words? I thought we were an ape, doing everything by instinct. We do what we supposed to do. not knowing good or bad.
i'm peacefully speaking. You are right that 7:54 atheist are not like that, you know good or bad because God exist.
INYO121277 1 year ago
@INYO121277 Are you trolling?
doom032 1 year ago
good? bad? you know those words? I thought we were an ape, doing everything by instinct. We do what we supposed to do. not knowing good or bad.
INYO121277 1 year ago
I was told I was going to hell recently, simply because I admitted that I didn't believe in whatever god the pamphleteer believed in. What was most interesting was that the person trying to force me to read something was considerably angrier about my not being bothered by the hell future than he was about my being destined for it. So much for his humanity.
Actually, I'd almost be willing to make an exception and believe in hell just for Thatcher....
Beelzebubbbbles 1 year ago
@Beelzebubbbbles
In such case when someone is threatening me with hell I usually ask why does he thinks that hell for me is worse than heaven.
after all if theists think that atheists has no concept of right and wrong then why hell should be wrong? It is no different from heaven.
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mauminelunika 1 year ago
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MrBigEnchilada 1 year ago
you talk a little too fast :\
saudmahri 1 year ago
I wonder what he'd say to a Jehovah's witness knocking on his door...
1spiccatto 1 year ago
@1spiccatto LOL
Blaquemajeek 1 year ago
i don't like not "having" to think. i like having conversations with myself in query of reality/morality. i guess, should the occasion arise and i feel without obligation to endure the entirety of such an exchange of words amongst myself, that such beliefs can merely be discussed in assumption of identical belief without my participation, so to speak. so, i guess, i am to yeur accord. i am not a whore!
MRecceNtrICK 1 year ago
The Terry Gilliam style hand animation was brilliantly done.
bozzutoman 1 year ago
so if we die, we just die? no such thing as soul?
We dont know what thought itself is made up of. Faith itself creates. Im going to heaven without proof. I dont need any, cuz I just am
johnsongM16 1 year ago
@johnsongM16"We dont know what thought itself is made up of."
Then you've probably never heard of Psychology.
"No such thing as a soul?"
It's a possibility, but it's not as if consciousness can't be physical. A computer could have consciousness if it was programmed that way. Keep in mind that it would be a very complex program.
"Faith itself creates."
Belief doesn't change reality. Having there be nothing after death isn't such an unimaginable prospect. You've already experienced it many times.
TheMoriMaster 1 year ago
@TheMoriMaster Yes, but I just cant accept it. It just that I cant.
And besides, it wouldnt hurt to believe in God, because there is no evil in any of his sayings. And Science has helped humans, but hurt even more! Look at what we are doing to the Earth! WE hate, and we can kill each other in a single push of a button
So, if there is god or not, believeing in one wouldnt hurt at all
johnsongM16 1 year ago
@johnsongM16 If I can't accept that there is a sun, does that remove the sun from reality?
Yes there is. God supposedly wants you to believe in a concrete set of moral laws even though morality is not concrete. Your sense of morality is based on context and reasoning. To say that every person who has killed another is idiotic, don't you think?
TheMoriMaster 1 year ago
@TheMoriMaster To say that every person who has killed another is evil is idiotic*
Hooray for typos.
TheMoriMaster 1 year ago
@TheMoriMaster Im afraid i do not get what u just said.
The yardstick of good is different by every person, and mine is dependent on the Bible. Its like getting a dollar from flipping a coin. u never know until u flip it. But u have nothing to lose right? and I may be wrong, or not. It just give me a reason to be nice to others, and do my duty. You can believe that there isnt a god, i dont care. We are thinking right now, not knowing
johnsongM16 1 year ago
@johnsongM16 The 10 commandments? I don't think there are any disclaimers on those. You should be nice to others because you respect others as fellow humans, not because a book told you, and that if you don't listen to what the book said, you'd be tortured for all eternity. I never felt that you were trying to force religion on me or anything; I'm simply stating my criticisms of it. If you feel that I'm acting hostile, then know that I'm not trying to give you that feeling.
TheMoriMaster 1 year ago
@johnsongM16 The coin flip argument is called "Pascal's Wager." Essentially stating that you should believe in God so that you will reap the infinite rewards if He was real. You can read the Wikipedia page on it here:
en(.)wikipedia(.)org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager
It also gives the main criticisms of that argument as well.
TheMoriMaster 1 year ago
@johnsongM16 Without science your life wouldn't be much more than survival. That's all you'd be doing; surviving for the sake of surviving. Without science there is no religion. There is no recreation. There is only survival and turmoil. And it isn't science that's damaging the Earth; it's inefficiency. The reason some of our technology damages our planet is because they are inefficient, something that can be fixed with more science.
TheMoriMaster 1 year ago
@TheMoriMaster You are correct, because without science i wouldn't have enjoyed this video. I do not know who is this person, but he is logical. I am only 13 so, I would probably lose the conflict we are having right now.
Since I was born I believed in god and his existence, and I sometimes wonder if he exists. I still cannot change my opinion
johnsongM16 1 year ago
@johnsongM16 Age begins to become meaningless once you hit around 11. Then it's more about your willingness to learn and expose yourself to other ideas. (I'm 15, by the way.)
TheMoriMaster 1 year ago