Thanks for a great video. So simple yet profound. For some reason it brings to my mind a song God gave me many years ago called "Who is this man called Jesus". It speaks of Jesus being denied and forsaken at Calvary. You might enjoy this song-video-slideshow. Keep making your great videos and may God bless you as you bless others.
So if I used "misquotes" as you say, then that means that "I am come not but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel" is mis-translated and should really say "I came to save all mankind". Correct? or "Go not into the way of the Gentiles" is an error that the Greek scribes made in translating and added the negative "not". So it should really say "go into the way of the Gentiles"? Otherwise, you've said nothing to back yourself up. All those comments you just typed were hot azz air:)
"Respecter of persons" means to consider a man's STATUS. James chapter one gives an example of this. It has nothing to do with color or nationality. It's talking about rich and poor, privileged and impoverished.
First of all, the nation of Israel is SCATTERED AMONG ALL NATIONS. That's why the disciples are suppposed to go into all nations, to reach the scattered sheep. And as I said to another person, the Messiah himself said "GO NOT THE WAY OF THE GENTILES" and "I am come not but for the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL", the angel said "He shall save HIS PEOPLE". If you are trying to prove otherwise, then the text is irrelevant because it proves him as a liar.
Obviously, you don't know the Scriptures or the history of the Israelite people. DURING THE GOSPEL TIME, which was BEFORE 70 AD, there were Israelites living in Rome(the "new" testament records this). over 700 years BEFORE 70 AD, the Assyrian army removed 10 tribes of Israel out of the land. There were Israelites living throughout Northern Africa during the Gospel period. U are under the impression that all the House of Israel were packed into Palestine at that time.
my friend, i do know Scripture and have a knowledge oF Israel's history. The centre of the activity of the Israelites in the time of Christ was the temple in Jerusalem... true or false? that is why He spent time there
First of all, I am not your friend. Second, you have know knowledge of Scripture or of Israel's history. You said they were not scattered before 70 AD, which is GROSSLY incorrect. If you don't know that basic fact, you need to spend more time in study. Third, during the time of the Gospel, the Hebrew Messiah spent most of his time in Galilee, not Jerusalem or anywhere else in Judah, though Jerusalem or was the focal point point of Israelite culture of course as it had always been.
a couple of questions... was the Temple in Jerusalem the centre of the Israelite economy? when the temple was destroyed the Israelites wher well and truly scattered for they as a nation had no central point of focus.
did i say that Messiah spent most of His time in Jerusalem? was not Jerusalem the place where His most significant actions on Earth took place?
Jerusalem built in a very significant place, it is the very place where Abraham offered his son Isaac, an act which foreshadowed The Father giving His only begotten Son, the Sanctuary service of the OT teaches all that is to know of Christ's sacrifice
If the High Priest's palace was in Bethlehem, he would've been tried there. He was actually taken to Galilee to stand before Herod. Other than that, that particular detail is irrelevant to the fact that the people were indeed scatter BEFORE 70 a.d.
Wher is the Sanctuary stood was the holiest and most important place to the Israelite that is why they flooded there during passover, that is why Christ (the true passover Lamb) was crucified there at the very time of day which the typical passover lamb was meant to be slain
Once again, that particular detail is irrelevant to the fact that the people were indeed scattered before 70 a.d.. Therefore, there were Israelites in the world, OUTSIDE OF JUDEA AND GALILEE, that were not "Jews".
the Bible clearly says the the Gospel was for... the Jew first, and also to the Greek Rom 1:16. The Jews rejected Messiah and in
34ad they finally rejected the messages given through the disciples (see Acts 7) from then the book of Acts describes the Gospel being preached among the "gentiles"
Once again, you err, not knowing the text. The term "Jew" does not encompass the whole nation of Israel. A "Jew" is a member of the kingdom of JUDAH, which was made up of the tribes of Benjamin, Judah, and Levi, which were left alone in the land after Assyria took the other 10 away. The remaining three are the "Jews". Therefore, if the Bible says, "to the Jew first, and also to the Greek", then where do the other ten tribes come in?
Answer: They are the lost sheep scattered amongst the Gentiles and assimilated into the Greek culture. This makes them Greeks. Otherwise, where are they mentioned? Do they not also take part in salvation?
Do you realize what u just typed? U just proved my point. A "Hellen", someone who takes on Greek customs or speaks the Greek language, therefore not necessarily an actual ethnic Greek.
look at that definition U just typed "especially a non-Jew", it didn't say "ONLY a non-jew" or "which means a non-jew". Therefore, it could still be a "Jew". And let's not forget, it could be a non-Jew and still be an Israelite from the tribe of (for example)Issachar or Zebulon. An Israelite from the tribe of Gad is not a "Jew". Understand?
that the word Greek in the verse quoted means assimilated Israelite.
i have to sleep now for i have to get up for work in a little over 3 hours, i have enjoyed our dialogue and very much appreciate the respectfull nature of your comments and responses and have learnt a few things thankyou for taking time to share you thoughts, have a good day sir
i do not err my friend the point is that the Gospel was not and is not exclusively for any nation or people, i quoted the verse in Romans for that reason only and am aware of what the term "jew" or Ioudaios means
U do err. You failed to consider the OTHER TEN TRIBES. If "Greek" means what u think it means, then "Jew and Greek", would not include those other tribes.
No, it's not an assumption. It is exactly what you implied. You said "Jew first, and also to the Greek", but you didn't put the other 10 tribes in there anywhere.
finally, i am not going to get into a prolonged debate, to me the Scripture is plain. Christ came that all may be saved and anyone who accepts Him by faith is saved no matter what their background. as i said to the other fellow... we will have to agree to disagree
U asked me a question, and you will receive my answer, which is truthful. And you are correct, the TEXT(not Scripture, the Scripture is the Law and Prophets, the "new testament" is just a text) is plain and simple. "I am come not but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel". There's no getting around that. U must think he changed his mind somewhere?
Well done brother. Stick firmly to the scripture and no man can defeat you. I give you a five star rating for your comments. They are correct according to the WORD. *****
And he hasn't stuck firmly to the Scripture because he hasn't touched the Scripture at all. Ya'll are starting to seem like the Christians and the Egyptologists to me, just using your catch-phrases like "Stick firmly.......and no man can defeat you", not withstanding you actually back up him "sticking firmly to the Book".
you say i have not touched Scripture at all, i have provided texts which support my view, have you done the same? you have taken a few verses and created a picture of a god who's dealings with people are determined by their colour or nation. to me that is bringing Most High down to the level of a mere man , for that is how men often view one another
ThaLinguist, that was an interesting debate and I enjoyed reading both sets of comments. However, I anticipate that you'll perceive me to be an Uncle Tom, house-nigger and having my head up the white man's ass for disagreeing with 98% of your comments.
For those who disagree with me, I perceive them to be irrelevant in the long run. Unlike most people, I don't really care that much about those who don't believe or agree with what I say. It doesn't make what I say of none-effect. "I am come not but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel". That's not me, that's him. That's who you need to deal with. And I seriously do not care what he ends up telling you. I'm with him because he's all i have
I also noticed that you probably assumed that I am a member of the Great Millstone, when you said "head up the white man's ass". That is something that they would probably say. But they are correct on this subject(Matthew 1:21). And I am not a part of any GROUP of Israelites whatsoever. Organizations are dangerous to delve into. And I hope that's one thing(if nothing else) that you can take from my comments.
Well, as they say, "we'll have to agree to disagree." It was an interesting debate between you and lazbo. I haven't got too much to say on this subject because I believe it's a waste of time. So I won't get too drawn into it. Still, I hope there's no enmity between us.
You are so deceived to believe that the Father is racist towards His own creatures. And you need to read the scripture thoroughly to understand it correctly. Fortunately for all men; no man can provide any scriptural evidence to support their racist opinions. Misquotes yes, Biblical facts NO!!!
By telling other nations or races they are unworthy of salvation is not original. You are doing exactly the same thing our enslavers did to our forefathers. Do you know those lies came from the Vatican? And with all those misquotes and distorted translations many Hebrew Israelites are preaching it is obvious to me that Satan is in the mix.
By means of using the Vatican and Secret Societies, Satan has set-up and infiltrated many of the Hebrew Israelite organisations to deceive Israelites, to ensure Israel's ultimate destruction.
Not every one that saith unto me, Yah, Yah, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Yah, Yah, have we not prophesied in Thy name and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7:21 - 23
Mat 26:31: Then saith Yahoshua unto them, All ye shall be offended because of Me this night: for it is written, I will smite the Shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. Roman 9:26: And it shall come to pass, [that]in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living Elohim.
Mark 14:27: And Yahoshua saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luke 21:24
From G1223 and G4650; to dissipate, that is, (generally) to rout or separate; specifically to winnow; figuratively to squander: - disperse, scatter (abroad), strew, waste.
That definition does not change anything. You two are running around in circles, and have not provided any Scripture to back yourselves up. So I guess Matthew 1:21 doesn't actually say "his people", but should really be "mankind" or "all people"?
ThaLinguist.... is Matthew 1:21 the only verse you have to support your theory, please take heed of what the prophet Isaiah says in Isaiah 28:10&13. I believe you need to test your idea against more of the prophets writings
tELL WHERE IN REVELATION DOES IT STATE THAT THE 144,000 WILL BE OF THE OTHER NATIONS! Now go read Joel chapter 3 and you will see whats going to happen to all the other nations that abused the true israelites. They will be destroyed and brought into captivity!Yes even the africans tyre and zidon.The most high nor christ ever gave you the commandments!!!Only the israelites had them.Matt.10:5-6"Lost sheep of israel only....."Not the Samaritans(ethiopians)
"Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? It was the burden of sin, the sense of its terrible enormity, of its separation of the soul from God-it was this that broke the heart of the Son of God. Thanks again my friend for more Scriptual truth. God bless you Lazbo.
Reporoach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none. Psalm 69:20 We serve such an awesome God!
Yes, we are an untrustworthy, defiant and ungrateful race of ppl, yet still the Almighty YHWH did send His Son to save, everyone who wants to be saved. But Yah'shua was sooooo alone at the most pivotal moment in time, in the universe. Bless
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Your ancestors enslaved our ppl. The Most High judges an entire nation. not indiviuals.
i am at work at the moment and have come to the end of my time on youtube for now, i will be back on line later this evening, YHWH willing. thankyou for sharing comments
Isa 14:1 ¶ For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. Isa 14:2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
Oba 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be [any] remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken [it].
Isa 29:22 ¶ Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.
You so-called white ppl are pale( have no pigments). Esau is the father of the Edomite nation. Esua means he that is wasted.
my friend it seems you interpret Scripture to support your own personal ideas. Can you not see the analogies and symbolism in the verses you quote? If you believe that Edomites are lost (and i am not an Edomite) please explain Daniel 11:41, a verse which described those who will escape the grasp of the papacy (king of the north) in the last days
my friend you have not supplied me with one verse to back up your claims. Salvation is free to all who accept it my friend. As i said, we will have to agree to disagree
Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. scripture Jhn 4:22 clearly states that salvation is for Israel only.
Jews aka Judean came from the tribe of Judah. The tribe of Judah came from the nation of Israel.
You cant show one verse where you guys actually have salvation either! Read Matthew 1:21" And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: FOR HE shall(future tense) SAVE his people(israelites)from their sins. Show me one scripture that states that an edomite can be saved!John 3:16 uses the word cosmos for the word world, and it does not mean the literal world, but a set apart nation. Esau and the heathens(other nations) = missle food
i believe that it is best we agree to disagree for it seems we will merely continue wasting each others time otherwise, i will never except the idea that the Most High did not die for all peoples for i believe He died for all His creation whether in Heaven or on Earth, again i would like to thank you for your comments
The Most High did not die. Yahoshua(a SERVANT of the Most High) is the one who died. And he himself said, "I am come not but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel", and "Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans, enter ye not, but rather go to the lost sheep of the House of Israel". That's pretty clear to me. You're off base from the beginning, thinking that the Most High himself died?
Amo 1:11 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Edom, and for four, I will not turn away [the punishment] thereof; because he did pursue his brother with the sword, and did cast off all pity, and his anger did tear perpetually, and he kept his wrath for ever:
Gentile in this situation was rferring to Israelites with an gentile mindset. not physical gentiles.
Because the Most High first sent his son unto the tribe of Judah 1st. Our ancestors the Judeans did not want the Messiah to go unto the other 10 tribes because they was gentile in an mindset. Like today's Israelite who think their Cuban,Ameircan, or Canadian.
Jesus left His Fathers throne, clothing His divinity with humanity, that He might rescue man from the power of Satan, His triumph in our behalf has opened heaven to mankind, revealing God's glory and giving us a connection to our blessed Redeemer. May the light of our Lord keep shining on you my brother for you are blessed with Truth.
He died of a broken heart and every time we disobey Him it hurts Christ and we should encourage each other with love and understanding. We are all here in this world together with the same enemy that knows how to work each and every one of us. So we must wake up and give God His authrity. All glory to our Father God.
The notion, that every single time, each one of us sins, means Yah'shua is crucified all over again. This awareness, I find so overwhelming that I have no words for it. Cuz it means that it did not just happen in the past, it is timeless. If this realization is, for each and everyone of us the true Jacob's/Yacoob's trial, our unconfessed sins in our deep unconscious then let it be so. If this is the cleansing of the human Temple, as Yah'shua as the Highpriest pours His own blood
on the mercy seat in the Heavenly Sanctuary (Heb.8,9,10), then let it be so. For we have no right to call ourselves Israelites, through the blood of the Mesiach, unless we have wrestled, to the fullness with our sins the way Jacob/Yacoob did at the river Jabok (Gen.32:22-32) and was called Israel. Bless
Yes, everything you said in your comments is right on Deborah. I pray our Father keep you in His heart my friend and have a blessed day in our Lord and Savior, Happy Sabbath!
I saw a Tv docu about 7 years ago were Scientists and Doctors studied this same subject and they had concluded that Christ died of a broken heart. He also gave up His spirit to His Father He said it is finished. He beat satan that day at the cross. Through Christ we can all have Eternity with Him. God bless you brother. Thanks!
I watched that documentary as well. It was terribly painful to realize what really happened to Yah'shua at that moment in time. Moreover, He was, for the first time in His whole existence totally alone and separated from His Father. The One He was always One with. Probably comparable with the moment in time when the Adam; Ish & Isha hid themselves from the approaching Creator,
and declared they were afraid, since they were naked most likely not only in a physical sense, but cut off from their unity with the Creator (Gen.3:8-10). Bless
Mark the Bible says that Jesus died from crucifixion for our sins, your preaching another gospel the Bible says if any man preaches a different gospel than the one you have received let him be accursed. I didn't want to post this
Is it not possible that Jesus died with a broken heart during the crucifixion? Instead of dividing over this, why not look at it completely. Surely the crucifixion took His life, but His heart was also broken as well; the disciples, who wouldn't even stay awake while He prayed, where were they? His own people, the Jews, cheering for His death. Surely that was heart breaking. Love u both. GBU
my friend... to me the Scripture is plain, the cause of Messiah's death was a broken or ruptured heart, that is why when they came to break the legs of those crucified (which was the final act in the crucifixion process) they found that Christ was already dead. GBU chris
laz - what I am trying to say is that you and tali is this - regardless of how you view it - ie: crucifixion or ruptured (broken heart) you are both right. If a man is shot, and dies due to bleeding; saying he died from a gun shot wound is true, but so would it be true to say he bled to death. There is no reason to divide in this matter.
thankyou for your comment chris, i am not looking to cause any division, but am accused of preaching a different Gospel... am I? am I accursed as Talithakoumi suggests? this video is a small insight into the actual cause of death of Messiah. Many people were crucified in those days but only one man suffered as our substitute the anguish of the second death that we might not have to
I didn't think of it like that. I certainly didn't accuse or accurst you - but with that in mind I understand where you're coming from now. With love... GBU both...
This has been flagged as spam show
Watch 'Ruckman on Seventh Day Adventist'.
Any fool can understand it, unless he's an sda.
Also, watch 'Be honest about the Sabbath'
See SDA editor grilled on 'sda vs christianiy debate'
BlasphemousMass 5 months ago
Thanks for a great video. So simple yet profound. For some reason it brings to my mind a song God gave me many years ago called "Who is this man called Jesus". It speaks of Jesus being denied and forsaken at Calvary. You might enjoy this song-video-slideshow. Keep making your great videos and may God bless you as you bless others.
ALittleBrother 4 years ago
ALittleBrother... thankyou for your comment my friend, i pray the Most High richly bless you
lazbo4174 4 years ago 2
So if I used "misquotes" as you say, then that means that "I am come not but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel" is mis-translated and should really say "I came to save all mankind". Correct? or "Go not into the way of the Gentiles" is an error that the Greek scribes made in translating and added the negative "not". So it should really say "go into the way of the Gentiles"? Otherwise, you've said nothing to back yourself up. All those comments you just typed were hot azz air:)
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
finally, thankyou for sharing your views, it seems we will maybe never agree but i have learnt a great deal from our interaction
Happy Sabbath
lazbo4174 4 years ago 3
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him.
lazbo4174 4 years ago
ActS 10:34 Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that YHWH is no respecter of persons
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Psalm 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before Thee.
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Oh certainly, the nations will WORSHIP because they will be under the submission of the most High.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
"Respecter of persons" means to consider a man's STATUS. James chapter one gives an example of this. It has nothing to do with color or nationality. It's talking about rich and poor, privileged and impoverished.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
First of all, the nation of Israel is SCATTERED AMONG ALL NATIONS. That's why the disciples are suppposed to go into all nations, to reach the scattered sheep. And as I said to another person, the Messiah himself said "GO NOT THE WAY OF THE GENTILES" and "I am come not but for the LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL", the angel said "He shall save HIS PEOPLE". If you are trying to prove otherwise, then the text is irrelevant because it proves him as a liar.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
At the time the disciples were instructed to go into all nations etc (31ad) Israel had not been scattered, they were scattered in 70ad.
are you saying that the Gospel was never meant for the "gentiles"?
please explain the story of Cornelius found in Acts chapter 10
What didMessiah mean when He said...And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Obviously, you don't know the Scriptures or the history of the Israelite people. DURING THE GOSPEL TIME, which was BEFORE 70 AD, there were Israelites living in Rome(the "new" testament records this). over 700 years BEFORE 70 AD, the Assyrian army removed 10 tribes of Israel out of the land. There were Israelites living throughout Northern Africa during the Gospel period. U are under the impression that all the House of Israel were packed into Palestine at that time.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
my friend, i do know Scripture and have a knowledge oF Israel's history. The centre of the activity of the Israelites in the time of Christ was the temple in Jerusalem... true or false? that is why He spent time there
lazbo4174 4 years ago
First of all, I am not your friend. Second, you have know knowledge of Scripture or of Israel's history. You said they were not scattered before 70 AD, which is GROSSLY incorrect. If you don't know that basic fact, you need to spend more time in study. Third, during the time of the Gospel, the Hebrew Messiah spent most of his time in Galilee, not Jerusalem or anywhere else in Judah, though Jerusalem or was the focal point point of Israelite culture of course as it had always been.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
a couple of questions... was the Temple in Jerusalem the centre of the Israelite economy? when the temple was destroyed the Israelites wher well and truly scattered for they as a nation had no central point of focus.
did i say that Messiah spent most of His time in Jerusalem? was not Jerusalem the place where His most significant actions on Earth took place?
lazbo4174 4 years ago
1st question:yes
2nd question:no, i was just proving that that statement by you was irrelevant
3rd question:i would say yes for the most part. He was tried there only because that's where the authorities were that sold him out
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
Jerusalem built in a very significant place, it is the very place where Abraham offered his son Isaac, an act which foreshadowed The Father giving His only begotten Son, the Sanctuary service of the OT teaches all that is to know of Christ's sacrifice
lazbo4174 4 years ago
If the High Priest's palace was in Bethlehem, he would've been tried there. He was actually taken to Galilee to stand before Herod. Other than that, that particular detail is irrelevant to the fact that the people were indeed scatter BEFORE 70 a.d.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
Wher is the Sanctuary stood was the holiest and most important place to the Israelite that is why they flooded there during passover, that is why Christ (the true passover Lamb) was crucified there at the very time of day which the typical passover lamb was meant to be slain
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Once again, that particular detail is irrelevant to the fact that the people were indeed scattered before 70 a.d.. Therefore, there were Israelites in the world, OUTSIDE OF JUDEA AND GALILEE, that were not "Jews".
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
the Bible clearly says the the Gospel was for... the Jew first, and also to the Greek Rom 1:16. The Jews rejected Messiah and in
34ad they finally rejected the messages given through the disciples (see Acts 7) from then the book of Acts describes the Gospel being preached among the "gentiles"
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Once again, you err, not knowing the text. The term "Jew" does not encompass the whole nation of Israel. A "Jew" is a member of the kingdom of JUDAH, which was made up of the tribes of Benjamin, Judah, and Levi, which were left alone in the land after Assyria took the other 10 away. The remaining three are the "Jews". Therefore, if the Bible says, "to the Jew first, and also to the Greek", then where do the other ten tribes come in?
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
Answer: They are the lost sheep scattered amongst the Gentiles and assimilated into the Greek culture. This makes them Greeks. Otherwise, where are they mentioned? Do they not also take part in salvation?
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
the original greek word in the text maybe does not mean what you think...
Hellēn
hel'-lane
From G1671; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek speaking person, especially a non-Jew: - Gentile, Greek.
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Do you realize what u just typed? U just proved my point. A "Hellen", someone who takes on Greek customs or speaks the Greek language, therefore not necessarily an actual ethnic Greek.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
...especially a non-Jew: - Gentile, Greek.
lazbo4174 4 years ago
look at that definition U just typed "especially a non-Jew", it didn't say "ONLY a non-jew" or "which means a non-jew". Therefore, it could still be a "Jew". And let's not forget, it could be a non-Jew and still be an Israelite from the tribe of (for example)Issachar or Zebulon. An Israelite from the tribe of Gad is not a "Jew". Understand?
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
i understand what you are saying but i believe too much has to be based on assumption and assumption is not a solid foundation
lazbo4174 4 years ago
What exactly is this "assumption" that u claim i have?
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
that the word Greek in the verse quoted means assimilated Israelite.
i have to sleep now for i have to get up for work in a little over 3 hours, i have enjoyed our dialogue and very much appreciate the respectfull nature of your comments and responses and have learnt a few things thankyou for taking time to share you thoughts, have a good day sir
lazbo4174 4 years ago
i do not err my friend the point is that the Gospel was not and is not exclusively for any nation or people, i quoted the verse in Romans for that reason only and am aware of what the term "jew" or Ioudaios means
lazbo4174 4 years ago
U do err. You failed to consider the OTHER TEN TRIBES. If "Greek" means what u think it means, then "Jew and Greek", would not include those other tribes.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
that is an assumption on your part
lazbo4174 4 years ago
No, it's not an assumption. It is exactly what you implied. You said "Jew first, and also to the Greek", but you didn't put the other 10 tribes in there anywhere.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
finally, i am not going to get into a prolonged debate, to me the Scripture is plain. Christ came that all may be saved and anyone who accepts Him by faith is saved no matter what their background. as i said to the other fellow... we will have to agree to disagree
lazbo4174 4 years ago
U asked me a question, and you will receive my answer, which is truthful. And you are correct, the TEXT(not Scripture, the Scripture is the Law and Prophets, the "new testament" is just a text) is plain and simple. "I am come not but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel". There's no getting around that. U must think he changed his mind somewhere?
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
It was always His plan that the whole world would here. After Israel that is
lazbo4174 4 years ago
then there'd be no reason for a "chosen people" in the first place.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
Israel where 'chosen' to assist YHWH in carrying out His plan. When Abram was called almost all in the World had forgotten who He was
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Well done brother. Stick firmly to the scripture and no man can defeat you. I give you a five star rating for your comments. They are correct according to the WORD. *****
Shalom!
7Rojah7 4 years ago
And he hasn't stuck firmly to the Scripture because he hasn't touched the Scripture at all. Ya'll are starting to seem like the Christians and the Egyptologists to me, just using your catch-phrases like "Stick firmly.......and no man can defeat you", not withstanding you actually back up him "sticking firmly to the Book".
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
you say i have not touched Scripture at all, i have provided texts which support my view, have you done the same? you have taken a few verses and created a picture of a god who's dealings with people are determined by their colour or nation. to me that is bringing Most High down to the level of a mere man , for that is how men often view one another
lazbo4174 4 years ago 2
ThaLinguist, that was an interesting debate and I enjoyed reading both sets of comments. However, I anticipate that you'll perceive me to be an Uncle Tom, house-nigger and having my head up the white man's ass for disagreeing with 98% of your comments.
7Rojah7 4 years ago
For those who disagree with me, I perceive them to be irrelevant in the long run. Unlike most people, I don't really care that much about those who don't believe or agree with what I say. It doesn't make what I say of none-effect. "I am come not but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel". That's not me, that's him. That's who you need to deal with. And I seriously do not care what he ends up telling you. I'm with him because he's all i have
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
I also noticed that you probably assumed that I am a member of the Great Millstone, when you said "head up the white man's ass". That is something that they would probably say. But they are correct on this subject(Matthew 1:21). And I am not a part of any GROUP of Israelites whatsoever. Organizations are dangerous to delve into. And I hope that's one thing(if nothing else) that you can take from my comments.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
Well, as they say, "we'll have to agree to disagree." It was an interesting debate between you and lazbo. I haven't got too much to say on this subject because I believe it's a waste of time. So I won't get too drawn into it. Still, I hope there's no enmity between us.
Shalom.
7Rojah7 4 years ago 2
ThaLinguist... a few more questions...
1. do you believe that the Almighty has/does/will save only Israelites, who are of Israel by blood?
2. Was Rahab of Jericho an Israelite?
3. Was she saved?
4. Why is she, a non-Israelite, part of the family tree of Messiah (Matt 1:5)?
5. Was Nebuchadnezzar (definately not of Israel) saved?
lazbo4174 4 years ago 3
You are so deceived to believe that the Father is racist towards His own creatures. And you need to read the scripture thoroughly to understand it correctly. Fortunately for all men; no man can provide any scriptural evidence to support their racist opinions. Misquotes yes, Biblical facts NO!!!
7Rojah7 4 years ago
By telling other nations or races they are unworthy of salvation is not original. You are doing exactly the same thing our enslavers did to our forefathers. Do you know those lies came from the Vatican? And with all those misquotes and distorted translations many Hebrew Israelites are preaching it is obvious to me that Satan is in the mix.
7Rojah7 4 years ago
What "lie" of mine comes from the Vatican? When in actuality, the Vatican looks to engulf ALL nations into it's religion. It doesn't make sense.
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
By means of using the Vatican and Secret Societies, Satan has set-up and infiltrated many of the Hebrew Israelite organisations to deceive Israelites, to ensure Israel's ultimate destruction.
7Rojah7 4 years ago
The Conquering Lion, my KING, will not be playing these racist games when HE returns. Check this out: Mat 7:21 - 23
7Rojah7 4 years ago
Not every one that saith unto me, Yah, Yah, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Yah, Yah, have we not prophesied in Thy name and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity. Mat 7:21 - 23
7Rojah7 4 years ago
Mat 26:31: Then saith Yahoshua unto them, All ye shall be offended because of Me this night: for it is written, I will smite the Shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. Roman 9:26: And it shall come to pass, [that]in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living Elohim.
7Rojah7 4 years ago
Mark 14:27: And Yahoshua saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Luke 21:24
7Rojah7 4 years ago
SCAtTERED
G1287
διασκορπίζω
diaskorpizō
dee-as-kor-pid'-zo
From G1223 and G4650; to dissipate, that is, (generally) to rout or separate; specifically to winnow; figuratively to squander: - disperse, scatter (abroad), strew, waste.
7Rojah7 4 years ago
That definition does not change anything. You two are running around in circles, and have not provided any Scripture to back yourselves up. So I guess Matthew 1:21 doesn't actually say "his people", but should really be "mankind" or "all people"?
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
ThaLinguist.... is Matthew 1:21 the only verse you have to support your theory, please take heed of what the prophet Isaiah says in Isaiah 28:10&13. I believe you need to test your idea against more of the prophets writings
lazbo4174 4 years ago 3
7Rojah7... thankyou for your comments
lazbo4174 4 years ago 3
Death to Esau! (ALL pale faced crackas)!! The Most High HATES you, Esau!
Rom 9:13 - Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
ZakiahMattea 4 years ago
tELL WHERE IN REVELATION DOES IT STATE THAT THE 144,000 WILL BE OF THE OTHER NATIONS! Now go read Joel chapter 3 and you will see whats going to happen to all the other nations that abused the true israelites. They will be destroyed and brought into captivity!Yes even the africans tyre and zidon.The most high nor christ ever gave you the commandments!!!Only the israelites had them.Matt.10:5-6"Lost sheep of israel only....."Not the Samaritans(ethiopians)
Turkdaone 4 years ago
"Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? It was the burden of sin, the sense of its terrible enormity, of its separation of the soul from God-it was this that broke the heart of the Son of God. Thanks again my friend for more Scriptual truth. God bless you Lazbo.
fallingup2U 4 years ago
GBU2
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Reporoach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none. Psalm 69:20 We serve such an awesome God!
ObeyChristsGospel 4 years ago
Yes, we are an untrustworthy, defiant and ungrateful race of ppl, yet still the Almighty YHWH did send His Son to save, everyone who wants to be saved. But Yah'shua was sooooo alone at the most pivotal moment in time, in the universe. Bless
deborahbetty58 4 years ago
deborahbetty58
YHWH send his son to save Israel only. Those gentiles was Israelites with an Roman mindset.
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
His ppl was Israel only. YHWH adopted Israel & made an covenant with them only.
You keep this up Deborah & YHWH will destroy you.
khammurabi 4 years ago
Galatians 3:29
lazbo4174 4 years ago
2 Corinthians 5:17
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Your ancestors enslaved our ppl. The Most High judges an entire nation. not indiviuals.
khammurabi 4 years ago
Rev 13:10 speaks of the judgement of the Papacy in 1798ad. The Almighty does judge individuals REV 22:12
lazbo4174 4 years ago
REV 22:12 was referring to the prophets & people of Israel only.
khammurabi 4 years ago
Scriptural evidence please
lazbo4174 4 years ago
i am at work at the moment and have come to the end of my time on youtube for now, i will be back on line later this evening, YHWH willing. thankyou for sharing comments
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Isa 14:1 ¶ For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. Isa 14:2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
(
khammurabi 4 years ago
Oba 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be [any] remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken [it].
U sir r an edomite.
khammurabi 4 years ago
please explain Malachi 3:12
Edomite? show me from Scripture
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Each 12 tribes of Israel has grown in large numbers & was like an nation.
Just like today theres high population of the tribe of Asher(Afro-Brazilians) in Brazil. They large like an nation.
khammurabi 4 years ago
Isa 29:22 ¶ Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax pale.
You so-called white ppl are pale( have no pigments). Esau is the father of the Edomite nation. Esua means he that is wasted.
khammurabi 4 years ago
my friend it seems you interpret Scripture to support your own personal ideas. Can you not see the analogies and symbolism in the verses you quote? If you believe that Edomites are lost (and i am not an Edomite) please explain Daniel 11:41, a verse which described those who will escape the grasp of the papacy (king of the north) in the last days
lazbo4174 4 years ago
lazbo4174
ur an edomite. face it. And u will receive no salvation.
Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
The word Jew derived form Judah. Judah is an tribe from nation of Israel.
Salvation is only for the nation of Israel.
Goodbye forever.
khammurabi 4 years ago
my friend you have not supplied me with one verse to back up your claims. Salvation is free to all who accept it my friend. As i said, we will have to agree to disagree
lazbo4174 4 years ago
lazbo4174
Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. scripture Jhn 4:22 clearly states that salvation is for Israel only.
Jews aka Judean came from the tribe of Judah. The tribe of Judah came from the nation of Israel.
Again Goodbye forever sir.
khammurabi 4 years ago
You cant show one verse where you guys actually have salvation either! Read Matthew 1:21" And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: FOR HE shall(future tense) SAVE his people(israelites)from their sins. Show me one scripture that states that an edomite can be saved!John 3:16 uses the word cosmos for the word world, and it does not mean the literal world, but a set apart nation. Esau and the heathens(other nations) = missle food
Turkdaone 4 years ago
i believe that it is best we agree to disagree for it seems we will merely continue wasting each others time otherwise, i will never except the idea that the Most High did not die for all peoples for i believe He died for all His creation whether in Heaven or on Earth, again i would like to thank you for your comments
lazbo4174 4 years ago
The Most High did not die. Yahoshua(a SERVANT of the Most High) is the one who died. And he himself said, "I am come not but for the lost sheep of the House of Israel", and "Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans, enter ye not, but rather go to the lost sheep of the House of Israel". That's pretty clear to me. You're off base from the beginning, thinking that the Most High himself died?
ThaLinguist 4 years ago
Amo 1:11 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Edom, and for four, I will not turn away [the punishment] thereof; because he did pursue his brother with the sword, and did cast off all pity, and his anger did tear perpetually, and he kept his wrath for ever:
(you will not recieve salvation).
khammurabi 4 years ago
please explain John 3:16
lazbo4174 4 years ago
The bible(Torah) speaks in metaphors You can't take vevry word literally.
John 3:16 was referring to Israel as the world.
World -A class or group of people with common characteristics or pursuits
khammurabi 4 years ago
i do not take every word literally. give me a verse to support your theory on the use of the word world in Scripture please
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Gal 3:28 to 3:29
Gentile in this situation was rferring to Israelites with an gentile mindset. not physical gentiles.
Because the Most High first sent his son unto the tribe of Judah 1st. Our ancestors the Judeans did not want the Messiah to go unto the other 10 tribes because they was gentile in an mindset. Like today's Israelite who think their Cuban,Ameircan, or Canadian.
khammurabi 4 years ago
please explain 2 Corinthians 5:17
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
He was sent unto Israel only.
khammurabi 4 years ago
Daniel 9:24
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Jesus left His Fathers throne, clothing His divinity with humanity, that He might rescue man from the power of Satan, His triumph in our behalf has opened heaven to mankind, revealing God's glory and giving us a connection to our blessed Redeemer. May the light of our Lord keep shining on you my brother for you are blessed with Truth.
surfer4u2luv 4 years ago
He died of a broken heart and every time we disobey Him it hurts Christ and we should encourage each other with love and understanding. We are all here in this world together with the same enemy that knows how to work each and every one of us. So we must wake up and give God His authrity. All glory to our Father God.
sweetwarriors 4 years ago
The notion, that every single time, each one of us sins, means Yah'shua is crucified all over again. This awareness, I find so overwhelming that I have no words for it. Cuz it means that it did not just happen in the past, it is timeless. If this realization is, for each and everyone of us the true Jacob's/Yacoob's trial, our unconfessed sins in our deep unconscious then let it be so. If this is the cleansing of the human Temple, as Yah'shua as the Highpriest pours His own blood
deborahbetty58 4 years ago
on the mercy seat in the Heavenly Sanctuary (Heb.8,9,10), then let it be so. For we have no right to call ourselves Israelites, through the blood of the Mesiach, unless we have wrestled, to the fullness with our sins the way Jacob/Yacoob did at the river Jabok (Gen.32:22-32) and was called Israel. Bless
deborahbetty58 4 years ago
Yes, everything you said in your comments is right on Deborah. I pray our Father keep you in His heart my friend and have a blessed day in our Lord and Savior, Happy Sabbath!
surfer4u2luv 4 years ago
Amen Deb
lazbo4174 4 years ago
deborahbetty58, Amen!
WillowLilyLeandro 4 years ago
I saw a Tv docu about 7 years ago were Scientists and Doctors studied this same subject and they had concluded that Christ died of a broken heart. He also gave up His spirit to His Father He said it is finished. He beat satan that day at the cross. Through Christ we can all have Eternity with Him. God bless you brother. Thanks!
confidenceoflove 4 years ago
I watched that documentary as well. It was terribly painful to realize what really happened to Yah'shua at that moment in time. Moreover, He was, for the first time in His whole existence totally alone and separated from His Father. The One He was always One with. Probably comparable with the moment in time when the Adam; Ish & Isha hid themselves from the approaching Creator,
deborahbetty58 4 years ago
and declared they were afraid, since they were naked most likely not only in a physical sense, but cut off from their unity with the Creator (Gen.3:8-10). Bless
deborahbetty58 4 years ago
Mark the Bible says that Jesus died from crucifixion for our sins, your preaching another gospel the Bible says if any man preaches a different gospel than the one you have received let him be accursed. I didn't want to post this
talithakoumi 4 years ago
read the psalms i quoted my sister and why did water and blood flow from His wounded side?
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Is it not possible that Jesus died with a broken heart during the crucifixion? Instead of dividing over this, why not look at it completely. Surely the crucifixion took His life, but His heart was also broken as well; the disciples, who wouldn't even stay awake while He prayed, where were they? His own people, the Jews, cheering for His death. Surely that was heart breaking. Love u both. GBU
christoferL 4 years ago
my friend... to me the Scripture is plain, the cause of Messiah's death was a broken or ruptured heart, that is why when they came to break the legs of those crucified (which was the final act in the crucifixion process) they found that Christ was already dead. GBU chris
lazbo4174 4 years ago
laz - what I am trying to say is that you and tali is this - regardless of how you view it - ie: crucifixion or ruptured (broken heart) you are both right. If a man is shot, and dies due to bleeding; saying he died from a gun shot wound is true, but so would it be true to say he bled to death. There is no reason to divide in this matter.
christoferL 4 years ago
thankyou for your comment chris, i am not looking to cause any division, but am accused of preaching a different Gospel... am I? am I accursed as Talithakoumi suggests? this video is a small insight into the actual cause of death of Messiah. Many people were crucified in those days but only one man suffered as our substitute the anguish of the second death that we might not have to
lazbo4174 4 years ago
I didn't think of it like that. I certainly didn't accuse or accurst you - but with that in mind I understand where you're coming from now. With love... GBU both...
christoferL 4 years ago
i know you where not accusing me etc my friend. GBU
lazbo4174 4 years ago
God bless you brother keep up the good work for His glory
archdelux 4 years ago
archdelux... thanks for the encouraging words
lazbo4174 4 years ago
No comforters not even one?
NLPNVC 4 years ago
no comforters, because He became sin for us even His Father turned away from Him
lazbo4174 4 years ago
What am I going to do for Him? I will LOVE my brothers and sisters as well as my enemies. And fight satan tell YAH comes and says it is finished.
donny71954 4 years ago
thanks for your comment donny hope all is well with you my friend
lazbo4174 4 years ago
Things are great Laz. Im stong in Him. Keep up the shepherding stay alert and Praise God!
donny71954 4 years ago
YHWH bless you my dear brother
lazbo4174 4 years ago