Psych hospital - Part 4 - Restraints and Seclusion

[rumplestilskin99]

This may be accurate for how it is in one institution, but I think the treatment must vary a lot from one place to another. There are some institutions where the workers will violently "restrain" or seclude someone for even the most innocent behavior if it seems the least bit unusual, and there are other places where people are treated relatively humanely. This video is misleading because it purports to give people an idea of what to expect if they are admitted to any psychiatric hospital.

[minedapie]

when i was in the asylum for catatonia, delirium and confabulation i was help in restraints at all times even when i had my haldol, i personally think and believe from experience they dont care, they think 'put him in restraints and leave him' i was a patient, you've obviously been brainwashed like the rest of them.

[ElectraOnAzaleaPath]

This man is basically a spokesperson for the psychiactric system some might say a disinformation agent. If you can detect a rhythmic bulging in his neck - its because he's talking out of it.

[madbandicooot]

I was involved with psychiatry for years and these drugs have damaged me very badly, i think all psychiatrists need to try taking their own brain damaging drugs like antipsychotics rather than hand them out like their sweets to everyone including children.

[EatCandy]

No one would treat pain victims this way.

[EatCandy]

All lies, they will gladly restrain you chemically or physically if you are just "too annoying". Even if you are reasonably upset they will say, "Need some meds?" Um, WHAT? No, I need someone to fucking listen and not treat me like an animal.They do not actually care. they just want you to become a zombie. Once you zombify, they let you go. They are out to control you with meds. The nurses love their power, and will do anything to force you to take their useless meds.

[EatCandy]

@EatCandy Geeze I wonder why ANYONE would EVER want to RESIST being forced into being restraints or locked in a useless room. Especially after they tried to make their real needs clear and be denied and told you are full of shit by stupid nurses who think they are better. Oh and males restraining potential female victims? Sounds great! Ever tried pissing while laying down? It is all full of shit, and so are you. All drugs are a pharmaceutical strait jacket.

[thewr0ngchild]

Anger is often an expression of fustration, and fustration in the mental health INDUSTRY is perceived as violence, erratic behavour and a 'threat to themselves or others' (mental health is big pennies in the US) in the UK doctors think they're gods, in the US they treat patients as cash cows, you'll see if you or your loved one is admitted and their insurance runs out, see how quickly the doctor says they are perfectly well when it's obvious they are not!!

[thewr0ngchild]

Nobody par the criminaly insane should be restrained or secluded or forcilbly injected. A doctor is not a judge, they cannot possibly decide if this is the correct way to 'treat' a person who is say depressed. For someone who is perhaps getting on in life, and has retired and become depressed, how is it right that they should suffer things like seclusion, restraint and being injected in the buttock with toxic chemicals for being sad and fustrated??

[Bloodygeek1]

"chemical restraints" are legal.

And these people makes people be able to live again......they safe lives!!

you people you say other ways have been watching too many filims

[KickAssLyrics]

This is sugar coated... You have to admit - this is bullshit. I'm doing a research project on this. You can kill someone with these injections. Good job. :) Most of you guys kill people on a daily basis. Does staring at someone overnight stop them from being insane? No. It makes it worse.

[rage215]

very accurate descirption of the use of seclusion and restraint. it is a LAST RESORT and it is very traumatic for the patient and staff. Thank you for posting this.

[CaptainLinkx]

NOT LEGAL TO USE CHEMICAL RESTRAINT IN THE U.S. CHECK IT!!!

[tvsRN]

@CaptainLinkx It's Legal, know your facts.

[CaptainLinkx]

@tvsRN na, it ain't check wiki or any site for that matter. chemicals may be legal but chemical RESTRAINT isn't. not to say idiots like this don't practice it, but no, they aren't allowed to.

[Bloodygeek1]

@CaptainLinkx

what are chemical restaints???

[ColonelFleet]

@Bloodygeek1 drugs......needles.....tranqui­lizers......etc.....

[dxmkrew]

The Doctors fucking suck from my experience. Then inpatience know more abou their sicknesses than the doctors do. The nurses are the only ones you can talk to, other than them. Last time I was there they had a guy on 24 hour watch because he tried to hang himself. I've seen my friend been restrained and forcefully injected against her will while screaming. Inpatient fucks you up just as much as it helps. They just drug you up, take your insurance money and send you off on your merry way.

[audioajunkie]

With all the ignorant nonsense being spewed on here, I just wanted to drop a line of encouragement to you. I've been working in a 200-bed acute care psychiatric facility for six+ years and agree with 95% of what you've said. People forget that any restraint situation is dangerous for staff as well as patients, which is just another reason you do everything possible to avoid it. What you see depicted in the media is NOTHING like the reality of 99% of psychiatric facilities.

[zatarra2fast]

power play- it seems that you work as an orderly. Right? How can you tolerate this behavior and atmosphere? Does it haunt it you?

[TheRichardDew]

i saw a vid on youtube where they zapped the person's head

what was that about

[SilverJupiter77]

You are not telling everything that happens and I believe that you may be a "good" staff, but you have to by now known that some staff restrain just for punishment because they don't like your "behavior" that is not necessarily dangerous but rather annoying to them.

[videovaultault]

Before I go, I want to say that it is MY fundamental right and the fundamental right of every human being to decide to end their lives if they so wish. Another thing needs to be said here: those who work in Psych Units and use force on anyone for any reason other than immediate protection of life deserves to get the piss beat out of them with no questions asked.

[videovaultault]

Furthermore, what this character in the video is not being honest about is that the whole psych gig is just a way for sheep like himself to circumvent the rights of others by using very vaguely written civil laws. Notice his sugar coated words at the end "They want the incident to be over" and also how he says right before that statement that "everything is a power play".

All of this shit he's talking is subjective.

[videovaultault]

How do we know you've worked in a Psych Hospital or Unit before? You look like a Psych case yourself! Let's start being honest though, you know and I know that there is NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE or EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE to PROVE mental conditions, disorders, or disease. What you aren't telling the public is that only those who society disproves of are "diagnosed" with these bullshit disorders.

Medication, seclusion, restraints, the whole gig is a form of law enforcement.

[gabbis]

@videovaultault LULZ!

[2pacandhisbrutalshit]

scumest of the scum

[HOLDTHAPHONE]

Suicide is a fundamental right

[audioajunkie]

@HOLDTHAPHONE -- whatever your opinion on the matter, it is still against the law in the United States.

[HOLDTHAPHONE]

@audioajunkie I only know 4 countries in the world where suicide is illegal and America is not one of them. I think it was in the early 90's it became legal in the last states. Eutanasi is a legal right in some states in America - that is also suicide!

[audioajunkie]

@HOLDTHAPHONE -- though it is rarely (if ever) enforced, suicide is considered a common law crime in the US.... that is, it is illegal by precedent or through law developed by judges through decisions of courts.

[HOLDTHAPHONE]

@audioajunkie I do not think that it is like that anymore - but I am not an american I am from Skandinavia (Denmark) and in my country suicide is legal. We do have a law which says that you shall try to prevent a suicide if you see one unless it is by starvation - that is completly legal everywhere (home, hospital, nursing-home....) I personally see suicide and eutanasi as fundamental human rights - it is simply just deciding the time and controlling the circumstances for the inevitable death

[BlueBunny0329]

I mean it when I say I would rather spend a month in jail than a week in a psychiatric hospital! How dare anyone be so arrogant as to assume that they understand and, through the use of drugs - hmm, aren't those just a recipe for success - can "help" me with my problems. I intend to write a story revealing what power hungry monsters you people truly are. Oh yeah, did I mention I've never actually been to a mental hospital and therefore, have little or no basis for these accusations. FUCK YOU

[xHollistersHottie]

people who work in these so called "hospitals" are pretty fucking cruel. sorry dude. addydawn do u have no heart? jw. u dont seem to care the some people dont want fucking injections and dont wanna be tied down. just saying. i dont think i really like u. again, just saying.

[audioajunkie]

@xHollistersHottie -- so -if not restrain and/or medicate- what would YOU do with someone who is throwing chairs, brandishing a knife (or other dangerous object), pounding another person or running headfirst into the wall at full speed???

[oneminutehorrorfilms]

listen u do gooders, go into a REAL mental ward, it is scary as a mthrfker!! medicate these violent bastards!

[flicchic8100]

this is soo true. only in extreme cases...for protection of other patients and staff.

[Addydawn]

Where I am working, now, we have never restrained anyone. Patients are usually agreeable to an injection to calm down. I emphasize, usually, because some are resistant. We only use injectables as the primary source of handling very agitated patients. We do not restrain. I find that phenomenal.

[scottybottybanana]

@Addydawn - 'Chemical restraint' is just as bad!

[Thespadecaller]

@Addydawn

This is hogwash. When you speak of short staff and you use the excuse that lack of man power and time forces "care workers" to restrain patients, you are already in the wrong. You are perpetuating a system that abuses patients and manufacturers excuses for doing so.

You chose to speak for "all the mental hospital workers{" as if they all behave he same. That is a crock. Most of the sadists and sociopaths that work in these facilities carry out their abuses when they are alone.

[ababyinthesun]

@Addydawn google ABRAM HOFFER.

oh and Y U NO REALIZE ITS AGAINST THE LAW IN CANADA TO DRUG SOMEBODY AGAINST THEIR WILL>

[norseczar27]

@ababyinthesun Not really. If your a threat to yourself or others its important to make sure that person is safe and anyone else is safe.

[ababyinthesun]

is quadruple the dosage of the drugs you mentioned bad for you?

[rage215]

I work in a psych hospital in PA. I do understand the need to lessen the use of restraint/seclusion. For the most part, we have great pts but we have a couple of extremely violent ones. We try desperately to not use restraints/seclusion but sometimes we have to to maintain safety for the pt and others. We only try to do it in half hour increments. I agree with you, we as staff DO NOT like putting pts in restraints but sometimes, as a last resort, it is the safest option.

[busterbone]

It's awful to have restraints in the hospital.

They just did that to me because I tried to get out of bed and walk against their wishes. My wrists, ankles bound and a harness to strap me down! The more I pulled, the tighter they made them. They also did not let me eat or drink anything by mouth for 3 days in ICU-only tubes in and out. It was really terrifying and cruel -it really sucked. Finally they let me move to a normal unsecluded room with less restrictions, but constant supervision.

[yellowday101]

*hospitals are like jails*

[Addydawn]

I work in a diff hosp, now, in a diff state. Wanted a change of pace. Place where I work, now doesn't use restraints at all. We find most patients are agreeable to meds that will help calm them, including injections, that work quickly. It's all a matter of how you approach a patient. I always place myself in their shoes and ask, "How would I want to be treated?" I am open to negotiation. A patient won't comply with treatment, if he/she disagrees. These are adults. They have rights and choices.

[GMSamuelRhine]

@Addydawn when i was in the pysch ward before they would just pretty much make us even more agitated than we were already probly just so they could inject us and get it over with faster

[yellowday101]

they'll try anything to calm the person before restraints? YEAH RIGHT, so then how can you explain being put into restraints for not wanting to eat? nurses are just like jails, they can do anything to you and no one will ever know because all the nurses will cover each other's asses. i had a mental health worker touch my boob once and i was left in restraints for 12 hours once, what do you call that? you said you worked in a hospital, so your point of view is obviously subjective...

[poosaypirate]

i highly doubt the truth of the content of this vid

seems a little to overly rosy to me

either he worked in the gentlest psych unit in the world or hes full of shit

[Scabia25]

they put restraints on my ankles/wrists but why my neck as well?

[heavenlycharm86]

places like that should be burnt the hell down and never rebuild again!!! this 1person tried to bring me in one of them n then that person learned a very hard but needed lesson with me...and to tell you the truth if some1 tried to stick drugs in me against my will i'd so whatever it took to stop it..i'd fight 4 my rights u ppl make me sick u fill these poor sick ppl full of deadly drugs...GOD WILL JUDGE YOU for hurting his children...working in a mental ward is like be'n in a damn cult!!!!

[freekelly]

Good video. Well explained.

[LYNXVAL]

I agree with you about control but in alot of cases that some patients need it if they are out of control and they need to do something

[DrJulienArbor]

They only need it because the underlying causes of their symptoms are not properly being addressed. These include nutritional deficiencies, hormonal imbalances, seizures, brain lesions, toxicity, untreated infections, etc. In other words... all of their symptoms can be attributed to other causes that are virtually never evaluated for by psychiatry. The medications are further exacerbating the problem and treatments such as restraints further traumatize these patients causing additional damage.

[Addydawn]

That is why psychiatrists and psych PAs and NPs are medically trained. 100% agree that we have to rule out medical causes, first.

[DrJulienArbor]

They may very well be medically trained, but they do NOT address these underlying conditions. Psychiatric patients are given a quick glance by a medical doctor, who is primarily concerned with complying with mandated laws! I have witnessed several times when a patient is demonstrating symptoms of psychosis and the underlying cause was a simple bladder infection! The problem is that once a person has been stigmatized with a "mental illness"... all of their symptoms are attributed to a...

[poosaypirate]

@DrJulienArbor

wait thats what i said so why turn it around ? ur not consistent some how

[DrJulienArbor]

My response was directed to Addydawn. Nothing is being turned around nor is there any inconsistency. Enjoy your day!

[DrJulienArbor]

(cont.) psychiatric disorder and they far too often never receive proper medical care as a result! This is a function of the mind-body split that persists in medicine... and it happens in both allopathic and natural medicine alike! Additionally... the psychotropic medications that patients are receiving are CREATING new illnesses that the pharmaceutical companies are more than happy to offer more drugs to treat! There are now a growing list of law suits being filed for this very reason...

[DrJulienArbor]

(cont.) so Big Pharma is shooting itself in the foot by allowing this to continue... and there are a growing number of lawyers with very big smiles!

[poosaypirate]

@DrJulienArbor very true i beleive most people in any psychiatric anything are probably suffering something physiological there are so many diseases which go untreated or un tested -this starts with the greed of the medicine companies and the insurance companies and ends with the fact that - as discovered in a recent study 2/3rds of all information in medical text books are directly from Pharmaceutical companies-

many medical problems are difficult to diagnose

[DrJulienArbor]

On the contrary, most of the medical conditions that underlie these problems are ridiculously simple and inexpensive to treat! It does not take high-price, "sophisticated" imaging equipment, and the appropriate blood, saliva and and EEG testing will detect most if not all of these problems! Additionally... these people need to be offered SUPPORT, not behavioral modification! When people are healthy and free of pain, they very naturally desire to live productive and responsible lives!

[poosaypirate]

@DrJulienArbor

lies

people get denied testing and mis-diagnosed all the time and then acused of having mental problems BEFORE having any physiological testing

alopathic medicine is a money making scam

ur sold out man

[Addydawn]

As you may be aware, unless you are a psychologist and not a medical practioner, medical practitoners are trained to rule out medical causes before assuming psych causes of illnesses. No offense in intended. That is why, after years of being a therapist, I chose to become a Physician Assistant with medical knowldge. I agree, physical health, nutrition, metabolic factors, infections, brain abnormailites, etc. absolutely should be considered. But please do not totally disregard the need for meds.

[oneminutehorrorfilms]

@DrJulienArbor hahahaha what a fck'n idealistic BS outlook these fckers are violent!

[DrJulienArbor]

Also keep in mind... as Dr. Szasz has indicated... Drapetomania was once a diagnosed "mental illness" given to African-American slaves who sought their freedom. At that time... there was a similar belief regarding controlling slaves as their now is regarding controlling women! Listen to his video again and note that he states himself that most of these patients are women. This is also disinformation as the demographics of schizophrenia indicate that it is most often diagnosed in Black males.

[DrJulienArbor]

His statement "Remember they aren't out to control you!" is utter nonsense as that is EXACTLY what they are out to do! This is the very same mentality that brought us the early days of asylums where husbands and family members would very often send their unwanted wives and relatives in order to get them out of the way and take control of their money and property... and keep them out of positions of power such as government and the military. Women having equal rights in the U.S. is STILL a joke!

[DrJulienArbor]

This information is absolutely false in some cases. Seclusion and restraint is also used as a means of retaliation and control. I witnessed it when I worked in psychiatric facilities and I also experienced seclusion on to occasions when I was unjustifiably and involuntarily committed as part of criminal activity. In both cases... I was literally dragged down the hall when I went limp as a silent protest. The first incident occurred because I was attempting to keep written records of what was...

[DrJulienArbor]

occurring and the staff were attempting to make this as difficult for me as possible. Having worked in psychiatric facilities, I was well aware of what constituted contraband and had specifically request crayons in order to write with and these were denied to me. The second occasion occurred when I had a blanket wrapped around me to keep warm. The unit was so cold that another patient placed a carton of milk on her inside window sill and then bounced it off the floor as she again asked the staff

[DrJulienArbor]

to repair the leak in her window that was blowing her curtains! I also recently experienced 4-point velcro restraints in an emergency room for no other reason than I had refused medical tests. Psychiatry is most definitely a form of control and the "mental health" system is being used as a means of bypassing the judicial system at an alarmingly growing rate... and human experimentation is still going on in the U.S.! It is FAR too easy for people to be involuntarily committed and drugged!

[LadyVader33]

I'd rather be incarcerated. Jail sounds like a sweet dream in comparison

[DrJulienArbor]

You have good reason to say that as a person has more rights in jail!

[911fox123]

Bullshit.

[emonemoemo666]

haha kitty =]

[ColonelFleet]

true, but in my case....the hospital felt it nessary to put me in restraints, for...well...end of that, no more,....but from the side of the patient being told that you are going to be restrained, and you can go the easy way or the hard way, but still it is not the funniest thing......I know the basic idea, but still......

[EdnaJC95]

hey addy?

do they use straight jackets?

[TheExplosiveCupcake]

i heard a psychiartist that they aren't in existance anymore, he said that he's never even seen one, let alone used it in his 15 odd years as a psychiatrist. i'm not a professional myself, but thats what i've been told. hope it helped

[isabellaannerose123]

why not just have people have their alone time instead of have them with restraints and stuff? i mean seriously though

[isabellaannerose123]

lol the lonie bin lol

[isabellaannerose123]

ive been in a mental hospital about 3 months ago. and well for a good month or so i have been doing well but since i have graduated and started college again, i have been dealing with my depression all over again. i have had thoughts of hurting myself and sucidal thoughts. (but haven't done anything to hurt myself) my pshycologist knows about this and she wants me to go to group thearpy asap. i want to go to get help but idk if its a good idea. i don;t want to end up in the hospital again :(

[EyeLikeChicken]

i think people that work at psych wards are wanna be co's

[qtpa2tee97]

exactly. they could be the nicest person in the world until they tie u to a bed or lock u in a padded room. lol.

[polarpolo12]

Congratulations on trying to soft soap the whole topic. Maybe you experience comes from a place with integrity but I assure, the basements and back room little shop of horrors exist. Perhaps more common than you may know.

[polarpolo12]

Fours hours - feh, a day at the beach. And nobody gave a damn. Ever seen what happens to someone left in a mummy sack overnight? They're far sicker than when they went in the thing.

[polarpolo12]

Yeah In fact I did. I saw two male nurses having sex with one of the female patients. I got slammed with Thorazine thrown into a mummy sack and left in solitary confinement all night. No supervision no one checked on me. The next day, I was given ECT to wipe my memory of the event and for a while it worked. For tow more night I was left in 4 point restraints, and shackled to by bed overnight. Really. Who needs to check on anyone in that state? They're not going anywhere.

[polarpolo12]

I was slammed with Thorazine, put into a mummy sack and left there for 12 hours.

[supersize971]

And I am sure you did nothing to provoke it.........riiiiiiiiight

[poosaypirate]

@supersize971 say that to your children or grandmother one day kid

[polarpolo12]

Completely unrealistic. They don't care if the restrain someone and after restrained - why do it? The patience isn't going anywhere.

[supersize971]

What state are you in? I just started working in psych about 8 months ago.. And you pretty much said exactly how it is.

[Addydawn]

That was Philadelphia.

[MyCatMischief]

This is bullshit, you're trying to sugar coat everything and make it not sound as bad as what it really is. In some cases yes restraints are necessary for those truly kookoo or some stupid attention seeker. I used to be a janitor at a pschiatric hospital. I had witnessed many cases in where the staff went too far and were too quick to slam someone down and restrain them over any little thing.Sometimes patients were restrained just for laughing too loud. Stop sugar coating it.

[poosaypirate]

@MyCatMischief make a video

[madbandicooot]

@MyCatMischief

[WeRunique]

i like your videos...i also wanna know this kinda stuff cuz its awfully interesting to me...but u know,its kinda nerdy but who the hell cares..i like getting to know psychiatric stuff

[PlatinumJC]

ha ha thats weird i find things about this kinda stuff really interesting too! lol

[fernibear]

with me ive never found the restraints to be the scary part, the thing i dont like is having to go toilet or wash infront of the nurses.

apart from that i actually find mental hospitals very interesting and i am quite obsessive about them in the sense that i would love to be in one,not to work in one but to actually be a patient to see what its like. im 15 but i just love the idea of being in a mental asylum and i dont know why.

[Addydawn]

Safe place - few responsibilities

[coldfire957]

Trust me, it is no where you want to end up.

[fernibear]

yeah my friends say that and my mom, they said its not nice but it still interests me.

[MyCatMischief]

You'll change your tune once you been in one of those places. You sound like one of them people who is going to have to learn your lesson the hard way. I have seen first hand, pshcye hospital techs get abusive with the patients and I reported this to my boss, but nothing changed. I thought it was horrible, so I quit. The particular psychiatric hospital I worked for was notorious for this type of bullshit. As far as I know they still have a bad reputation.

[bandgeeksrule011]

yay im not the only one who feels this way!

[fernibear]

omg seriously? i thought i was the only weirdo.

[bandgeeksrule011]

lol nope  :)

[PlatinumJC]

ha ha nope ur not the only wierdo ha ha i fin this kinda thing real interesting too!

[PlatinumJC]

ha ha no u aint, i feel the same way lol

[Marmeladeorange]

Hey....who is in control of the comments...I have not been heard. Is this site legit?

[Addydawn]

Yes, this site is here to offer information.

[greenockmovies]

Interesting video. It's all about de-escalation. You are correct to point out that aggression needs to be anticipated by staff and either counselling and/or medication given. Good management requires staff who are vigilant and procative with intervening to prevent an escalation. I've worked in many acute units which have no seclusion rooms or mechanical restraints. Their a last resort as you state. I don't like using them but sometimes it's the safest option for everyone, especially the patient.

[barrymuirhead]

Interesting video. Good point raised with regards to the idea that staff do not like to restrain, it is mostly the intervention of last resort, or rarely, of first resort when the risk to self or other is too great.

I would like to note from the UK that it is the nurses themselves who restrain, & not orderlies or "male staff".  Restraint should be a theapeutic intervention that the nurses (both male/female, registered/auxillary) are not only prepared to advocate, but themselves instigate.

[RevDogg]

/agreed. Nice summary. It's nice to see different perspectives on this topic as it can be such a heated debate. There are many people that do not understand the reasoning behind the use of restraints. You are right that they are used ONLY as a last resort. I work in a State facility that has forensic units. We take patients that other facilities cannot handle and still, we hardly use restraints because it is taxing on both staff and patients and usually we can de-escalate before it goes there.

[Addydawn]

Excellent. Thank you.

[acausalakarmic]

google Peter Breggin

[PCJoejoe]

Dude, you talk alot of sense...you must be a nurse? im schizophrenic and have been restrained a few times during admissions mainly for trying to walk of the ward in the uk it's done manually NEVER IN the uk anymore are restraints used on the body in the bed, usually in most hospitals we are put in seclusion, padded rooms - clopixol acuphase largactil lorazepam - ive had all usually IV lorazepam and within 20mins im out for the count im not voilent and tak my meds havent been in hospital since'05

[Addydawn]

Actually, Physician Assistant. We can prescribe in the US.

[murmuravis]

Great Video!!!!!!

[police427]

I don't like when you guys restrain i have been suicidal for 6 years, i have tried to kill myself more than 8 or 9 times and i have been a self harmer i have also been restrained and restrained by mechanical restraints i hate hated it i know you guys do it to keep every one safe but i hate it so much. I am normal though i just have depression and some other stuff but nothing that would keep in the psych for a long time becuase I cant fuction properly but i still dont agree with the restraining..

[Addydawn]

I am wondering if your depression is more situational than clinical. In clinical depression, it is definitely a depletion of neurotramitter (chemicals of the brain). In situational depression, meds usually do not work. Changing the situation, if you can, will help tremendously.

[isabellaannerose123]

i know what you mean :(

[emailbryan]

what is it like there? is this lady giving an accurate description? i am considering this field of study...

[educationisall]

If something like that could happen to a good family, that brings home millions of dollars a year, what makes you think it cant happen to a good family who brings home 100,000 or 300,000 a year.

[educationisall]

check my vedeos if you want to see something that will make you so angry. There are serous investigations going on all over the country involving this. and 1 more thing. It really isnt the staffs fault Its what they were told to do, they obviously have no consept of right and wrong and thier the ones who need help now. Could it be the system? Or just the way they were raised by thier parents?

[educationisall]

or lifting my arms after shovling llama shit saying that I dont want to do that anymore and being told to get back to work! Modern day child slavery!

[llamanator3000]

I even sharpened the end of my glasses and put the plastic thingy back on them. So let me make something abundantly clear. If they EVER try it again with me. I will kill them without hesitation or remorse in the name of self defence and justice,citing the same reasons a cop will kill you if you try to taze him. And I will continue fighting and killing, with a clear concience, fully justified, until I'm dead. And Devil take the hind most.

[Addydawn]

I don't even know how to reply. What you are saying is true of many state hospitals and adolescent units. I am speaking of private hospitals. These are all that existm anymore, in Philadelphia. the state hospitals have been closed for financial reasons. I hope that I offer compassion to my patients because I know how it feels to be in the system.

[llamanator3000]

I'm just tired of being treated like a criminal and a third class citizen for a crime I didn't know I was committing when I was born with a disability. Black people complain, the past two generations got nothing on me and my kind. Treated like Jews in the early holocaust. get these places shut down, and be thankful of my merciful nature, as opposed to becomming the animal I'm treated like and telling them what I think of their institution with a gun.

[llamanator3000]

I advise anyone who values human rights to get involved in closing that place down pernamently. The abuse I endured there has affected me my entire life, and I have PTSD as a result. I cope with this by training in combat martial arts styles, and learning to pick locks.

[llamanator3000]

This place is very real. And it's still in operation as it has been for over a hundred years. it's called Winnebego Mental Health Institute. My social worker who works for calumet county, Shannon Teska, has been fighting for years to get it closed down and has thus far managed to get two units shut down but mine I hear is still operating.

[llamanator3000]

the walls were brick the floor was some kind of polished concrete, big thick gratings on our window. we ate food made at a nearby prison, our beds were bolted to the floor and our matresses were prison matresses. In short we were treated like criminals, for having a disability. Jail Inmates get treated with more respect and dignity.

[llamanator3000]

the light switches were on the outside and there was a window on the door but with a cloth on the outside so that we can't see out but they can see in.

[llamanator3000]

the staff members used to laugh about it afterwords, and talk about it the same way police do after taking down some hardened criminal on the tv show cops.

we were not locked in our rooms at night but there was an alarm on our doors so it was the same thing. no bathroom in there we had to knock on our own doors at night to be allowed to use the restroom.

[Addydawn]

That is so sad. They did away with the state hospitals in Philadelphia - thank God.

The facilities are now privately run, although they do accept medical assistance (i.e. medicaid).

[llamanator3000]

in that state hospital, I saw a doctor once a week. a councilor once a week. other than that the only medical professional I saw daily was the psych nurse. all other staff members had no training other than 14 hours in take downs and restraints. They didn't care about us, we were just warehoused there. you step out of line, you got drugged and tied up for 4 hours. I've seen 8 year olds get tied up for spitting.

[llamanator3000]

let me explain something to you. when I was 14 I was put in a state hospital for 10 months followed by a 6 month stay in a residental treatment center for a form of autism called asperger's syndrome. I was not diagnosed in the state hospital because they were incompetent.