Too all of you who think open carry makes u a target, i open carry because it is a deterrent. It keeps the "bad guy" away. And as long you have a retention holster no punk will be able to pull your gun off your hip.
To repeat what I said is important. WE, THE PEOPLE is at the begining of the Constitution. Notice the comma then the words THE PEOPLE. Notice THIS SAME PRINTING IN THE 2 AMENDMENT. Notice that 4 supreme judges trashed THE PEOPLE meaning for their personal and political beliefs? I consiider their action as TRESON!
@246 Van Cleave is asked what he is carrying and he looks to his left side and realizes the weapon is holstered on the right. This is precisely why untrained goobers shouldn't be aloud to carry guns and why the forefathers of the constitution clearly stated gun ownership in the hands of a well regulated militia.
most people that carry pay attention to the world around them, if you can spot the trouble your chances of avoidance is greater. If you can not avoid then you have the fire arm as a means of self defense.
A Mission (YWAM) center, killed two people and wounded two others in Arvada, Colorado, United States. The gunman went in to the building early Sunday morning December 9, 2007, and opened fire. Witnesses told police that the gunman was a 24-year-old white male, wearing a dark jacket and skull cap, who had a handgun and left on foot. Twelve hours later, the same gunman was wounded by Ms. Assam after opening fire and killing two at New Life Church in Colorado Springs.[6] The coroner ruled that the
I agree to CCW, but I think open carry is stupid. First it points you out as a target of any bad guy planning something, and second, the wussies in this country will get soooo scared about it and demand ridiculously over strict gun laws.
I conceal carry because I dont want the bad guy to go at me first and two I dont want a bad guy trying to tackle me down for my firearm and three I dont want no LEO trying to harass me about my gun. I got a carry license but I like to avoid the bullshit.
I have a CPL and teach an NRA approved CPL class. I support the right to conceal and open carry. Here in Michigan we are allowed to open carry in most gun free zones if you have a CPL. The issue at large is the education of law enforecment, and what their reaction ought ot be reagarding seeing a citizen open carrying a firearm. Second ammendment rights as others such as unlawful detention should be at the top of the list when educating law enforcement.
I'm not into open carry at all. I think the element of surprise is very important when carrying a weapon. Not to mention the fact that some crazy person may wrestle an open carry gun away from you.
I'm 41 and live in an open-carry area, and only found out about it this year via a coincidental conversation with a cop. I have NEVER seen anyone displaying open-carry, and I'm sure the majority of folks around here are like me. They never knew it was legal.
One point this clip ignored: It's not just modesty that keeps them from pulling their guns to show to the curious . . . it is against the law, unless they are defending themselves, or getting it in or out of safe storage.
Again the reporter has left out two important words in the second amendment. The words are, THE PEOPLE. The left liberals always and perposely leave out those two words.
i live in virginia, and carry concealed most of the time but i do carry open also and open carry is more practical in a tactical sense, just my opinion though.....GOD BLESS THE NRA, and down with those brady communists
open carry at the very least should be legal nationwide, i think concealed carry should be also but open carry is a must, it is a right everyone should have and exercise, california new york mass and illinois are not even part of the united states of america, they are communist run territories
im just gonna throw this out there, if you were in an unfamilier neighborhood and it was dark and several shady characters started comin toward you i think your anti gun ideal would change real quick and the fact is that the term a well regulated militia counts for any group of armed citizens who serve to protect a designated area in time of need so suck on that info stick obama/ palosi
im just gonna throw this out there, if you were in an unfamilier neighborhood and it was dark and several shady characters started comin toward you i think your anti gun ideal would change real quick and the fact is that the term a well regulated militia counts for any group of armed citizens who serve to protect a designated area in time of need so suck on that info stick obama/ palosi
this report is a dill-hole. I am proud of him though....he overcame his fear and managed to hold himself together to complete the picnic.
I can't for the life of me imagine why they edited out all the murders that took place.....that many guns in one place; it must have been a bloodbath.
My favorite:
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun"
open carriers should be more like this. It seems most of them just want to flex their rights in order to cause trouble rather than flex their rights for the sake of constitutionality.
The gun nuts have a chip on there shoulders, that's all. They want to start a confrontation over weapon ownership. Thery're not content to own a gun, they must flaunt it until someone objects to their threatening behavior, so they can claim their "rights" are being violated. Childish.
Listen to the language used by the producer of this segment - right off the bat they let you know this is a bias piece: "High Noon in Newport News..."
So sad that we live in a society where people have so much (valid) fear of crime. I would rather not carry a hand gun yet live in a society where violent crimes are very rare (Europe).
@strawberryseason It is lower,but considering the lower population and much smaller geographical area (murder rates in the US are only high in cities), it's pretty bad either way. Besides, if you're in close quarters with an assailant, I wouldn't count on your survival much either way, but knives are far more reliable at close ranges.
@Ehal256 Do you mean that a knife at a close range is more effective than a gun at a distance? Yes, that I would concur. But at close range I think that a gun would be more effective and take less time. To kill someone through stabbing usually takes several wounds. Case in point: Kitty Genovese.
@strawberryseason Not quite. I already said, if you're assailed by someone at close range your chance of survival is low, But, there are many reasons why the edged weapon will always be the most effective weapon at close range, far more so than any weapon designed for long range combat. Besides, a 9mm gunshot (especially one aimed inaccurately, because of the proximity) would likely not keep you from running, a knife attacker could effortlessly sever a tendon in your leg and cripple you.
@Ehal256 We would have to appeal to gathered statistics on this one. It seems to me that if you really want to make sure someone is dead, you shoot them. Many people survive stabbings.
"It seems to me that if you really want to make sure someone is dead, you shoot them" Yes, but at a distance, how the gun is designed to be used. The closer the target, the harder it is to use a gun, the closer you are, the easier it is to use a knife, and It's much easier to prevent someone from shooting you at close range than it is to stop them from cutting/stabbing you.
@strawberryseason What I mean is that a gun's only advantage over any other lethal weapon is it's ability to attack at distance. In close quarters, that advantage is completely gone.
@Ehal256 What about physical strength differences? Meaning that a woman might have a greater advantage to kill with a gun at close distance vs. a knife. I am female and I don't know if I would have the strength to kill someone with a knife, though if it were extremely sharp, that would help.
@strawberryseason Strength isn't too much of a factor with a sharp weapon :P A decently sharp knife slices through all kinds of flesh like butter, if you pardon my analogy.
If you tink about it and if someone wants to do bad with a gun I'm pretty sure the gun isn't legal for them to have and would not be open carrying it.. I'm pretty sure its more dangerous when people conceal their weapon is when it should be a more of a concern because you don't know who has it and it'll be more of a surprise when the pull it out from cover
I swear its a shame congress has no common sense.Members of congress if someone breaks in yr home to rob,kill,and destroy yr family what r u going to do.I know call the police on yr cell ph right?By that time yr dead or beaten half to death.Anything can happen anytime anywhere so its good to b armed.But of course some clowns cant realize this.I guess they would rather die along with their family.Come on ppl wake up and get with reality and have common sense.
If I was a theif etc... I would think twice before robbing someone if I knew gun laws were legal and ppl had the right to carry I would think twice before commiting the crime.Ppl who dislike someone carrying a gun better think twice because the person carrying that gun just might save yr life one day.Wake up and get real for once!!!!!!!!!!!
why don't u ask some one who dose rob houses. you would realize its better to rob you as a stolen gun is probably the smallest most street valuable item other than jewlery i will find and will pry from your cold dead hands before you even wake. stay up 24 hours a day and 1 hand on your gun and realize what a waste of life you are.
Sure guns are valuable on the street - but so is a winning lottery ticket. It doesn't mean you're going to win.
Your plan of killing home owners in their sleep is idiotic. They could just happen to wake up in the middle of the night, or a dog could bark at you and wake the owner up. There's a million factors that you can't foresee.
Only the suicidal or stupid would purposely break into a gun owners home while they're there.
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This is fucking outrageous!!!
BAN THIS SHIT!!!
They dont have a right to open carry unless they are law enforment or government related. Perhaps even a private security gaurd. But to have people walking arould like this is the wild west or somthing?!!?? BAN BAN BAN!
No. They still have the right to "bear" arms just not exposed. Think of it like a paper bag over a liquer bottle. You still have your "guns rights". But you pay high taxes and need licenses and permits and are not allowed to take them out of your house.
" But to have people walking arould like this is the wild west or somthing?!!?? BAN BAN BAN!"
Sure go ahead and ban them, then the only guns out there will be the ones carried by criminals who don't give a fuck about your ban. Open season on the rest of us. I can hear it now..."call a cop" ... and the cop will take 15 miniutes to respond (average time) and by that time you are dead.
togerrard you fuckin Australians are like the Europeans, you keep having your rights taken away from you one at a time over many years and you are too stupid to notice what they are doing. Turn you idiots into a bunch of dependent sheep. Soon your governments will determine everything and you will not be able to do a damn thing to stop them. Keep giving up yur rights and soon you will be under control of a dictatorship.
If u dont want to carry a gun ur crime will be up up up and 911 are too slow if bad guy see u on 911 call they might hiurt u ot kill u with deadly weapon ...... I am an armd citizen I am keep the crime down down !!!!
So glad to see so many others reasserting their Constitutional right to "bear" arms. Now the sooner the police departments are enlightened about this, the less harassment there will be. This is like a "rock-in-the-shoe for libs & some PD's, It drives them crazy. We have to keep moving the cause forward and no longer be on defense anytime the libs trott out more attacks on this most important right. Anyone notice the local PD had a NO COMMENT posture?
Everyone besides convicted criminals have the right to open carry in any state!! The remaining non open carry states just want and need to pass legislation that will prevent state and federal officials from harassing open carry gun owners in any state!!!!
We're fighting for Open Carry in Oklahoma! HB 1414 is stuck in committee, but hopefully, we'll be able to push it through and get it voted for and approved. :)
Open carry is almost completely useless. It is a right, And I am not against it. But it is stupid to open carry if concealed carry is an option. All open carrying does is make you a target. If someone is going to steal something, Your gun is near the top of the list. If someone is going to be violent, Hurting you and taking your gun will be the first thing they do. And finally, All it says is "Look at my psuedo-Penis". I could see if CC was not an option then OC would be the only option.
Its doesnt make you a target, it warns would be assailants off. Not to mention 7:14 where the news guy tried to pull the gun from the holster and it wouldnt come out. Retention holsters are very strong, ive gotten to try a few. Trust me unless you know the trick, are there are MANY kinds of retention, you cant just yank the gun out. If you see a guy with a gun its a back off sign. If they cant see it they dont know you can protect yourself.
How is this hypothetical thief/violent person going to remove my gun from a retention holster before I draw and shoot them? Your argument has got to be one of the stupidest ones posted. I've had the dubious privilege of talking with a number of criminals, and they are NOT attacking people with guns on their hips. If that were true, cops would be the biggest group of crime victims. Oh, and the "pseudo-penis" remark? Shut the hell up. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
@Faithless415 Criminal notes your gun. He shoots you first. Now he has 2 guns. That's all I am saying.I am all for the second amendment, I have a CCW for the state of Maine. My point is just that open carrying when concealed is an option is just an open invitation for hostility. Not only from criminals, but from anti-gunners as well.
@Charagrin I'll happily concede the point that CC does give you the element of surprise. But here's the deal: Criminals look for easy prey, first and foremost. Someone visibly armed is announcing that they are NOT willing to be easy prey. Since so many other people are, a criminal isn't going to risk attempting to ambush someone who is obviously prepared to shoot them. They would be taking a ridiculous, unnecessary chance, when there are plenty of obvious sheep to choose from.
@Charagrin Also, aside from the fact that attempted ambushes are way too risky, consider this about concealed carry: If your gun is hidden, you look like an ordinary sheep. It's not inconceivable that a criminal, not seeing that you're armed, will be more likely to attempt to harm you, which will require you to shoot and possibly kill them. In a way, concealed carry amounts to setting an ambush for a criminal. No great loss, but you don't kill another human without paying some sort of price.
I thought that this report was pretty fair. I am surprised that the reporter asked good questions like that. I mean anyone who has spent some time researching gun ownership is aware of this but I think it was a good thing to get people familiar with guns from a non-hollywood perspective.
Yes they do.. you just have not seen them! Handguns are everywhere and the only dangerous ones are the ones owned by the criminals. We must be permitted to defend ourselves!
I think you'd be surprised how many guns are around you in your everyday life. A lot of Americans have concealed carry permits, you don't know who's got a gun. Not everyone lives in a sheltered gated community thing like wherever you live. I live in Los Angeles and I'm also a US Army soldier, and I've seen my share of violence. I need a gun on me everyday, a gun saved my life once. It's just like a group of cops having a picnic with their guns on them, criminals wouldn't even try to touch them.
Holy shit newport news is where i went to college years ago, i wish i new about open carry then!(even though you cant carry at college grounds obviously)
Hell yeah!. some guys open cary in rural California. But In L.A. its a very LEO unfriendly. Only place I can open carry is the nat'l forest. Keep it up guys!
btw my bro got shot in his face by a Doctor in a bar carrying a concealed 38. had he been able to see the gun it would have been more likely to have been avoided.
Weapons, bars, and alcohol do not mix. Notice in the video that there was NO alcohol at their picnic. In KY which is open carry and has CCDW guns are banned from bars for good reason.
Met Phillip Van Cleave yesterday at a gun safety course I took. Heck of a nice guy. Learned a lot from him. Hopefully I will have the oppourtunity to take his advanced class when it's offered.
People, come to opencarry . org when you get the chance and see all that is going on.
We have just finished raising over 5k for a Billboard touting Open Carry that will be placed in a very conspicuous location for many to see, and we are now raising money for Taxi Cab banners.
The news in Texas has covered this story many times now, and has also interviewed the founders and the maker of the Texas Petition many times.
Click on the forum tab and go to the Texas and Hot Topics sections.
Also, most people who open carry are VERY situationally aware of their environments. They don't miss a trick as they say.
If I conceal carry, I still run the risk of being approcahed by a criminal, because he doesn't even think I have one. Now will I be able to get to my concealed gun while his gun is trained on me? One has only hope. But, if I open carry it is going to cut way down on that even happening. How do I know, again because no criminal has tried it.
Has someone open carrying had a gun pulled on them?
Answer: NO
Criminals are stupid, but apparently not THAT stupid. THAT stupid is borderline retard, below 80 IQ and one would have to then doubt the ability to pull it off.
If criminals view the gun itself as an object they desire to steal while on a person, then how come it's never happened?
fa real dogg, no one carryies gun`s here except the police and some gang bangers, u can have a gun but u cant carry it around in public. only on your property.
Michigan (where I love) has open carry. Many states do.
If you are legally allowed to own a pistol, you are legally allowed to carry it (except in no-gun areas like churches, banks, stadiums, etc...) as long as it's not concealed and not being "brandished" or waved around or pointed at people.
Problem is that most people don't realize it's legal. Most people (including cops and every day citizens) see someone with a gun and think (like you mentioned) "gangbanger". So they call 911...
I have no moral opposition to open carry, but from a purely tactical standpoint, I think CCW is better.
When your gun is concealed, the criminals won't know you have it, which gives you the advantage of surprise. When a gun is carried openly, the criminals will know you have it, which allows them to come up with a plan to defeat you before they attack, such as attacking from behind, attempting to disarm you, or simply shooting first.
First a criminal preys mostly on what is considered weak. Check out forgot266's comment, he wants the "old man's" gun, he didn't say he'd take that "young guys" gun now did he. He said that because it is his instinct to prey on the weak. That is the way criminals think. That is why women and the elderly are the most targeted by criminals, they prey on the weak. They don't give a shit about your life, but they do care about their slimy own.
You make some good points, but you are niave if you think all criminals would be detered by open carry. I bet some out there would see your gun and think "If I can attack quick enough and catch him by surprise, I'll get his wallet AND his gun, which I can sell for good cash or use on other victims."
Now I'm not saying he would succeed, I'm just pointing out that the deterence factor might not work as well as one would hope.
Naivety has nothing to do with it. I'm looking at the facts, 44 states OC and there hasn't been an incident yet like the ones you think will happen, the facts speak for themselves. Again, if it happened now, the exception would prove the rule.
Cops are attacked yes, but look at what their usually trying to do, when they are...apprehending the criminal, their back is against the wall, it's fight, flight or just give in.
I agree FzSBLACKMAGICK. I happen to think open carry is just as effective as concealed carry.
Concealed carry is entirely reactive. It's not proactive or preventative because the criminal has no idea you are carrying. Most people conceal carry so as to not alarm people or cause problems.
Open carry, on the other hand, is proactive and can be used reactively as well. And those that open carry don't care about people that are alarmed. In fact, they want people to get used to it.
Concealed carry is pro-active because it keeps the criminal guessing. If he's in a state that allows CCW, he'll know that all of his victims could be potential CCW carriers (and even if they are not, a different person who does carry might be present or arrive on the scene), which certainly has a deterant factor. Not being a criminal myself, I can't say for certain if the deterent factor of CCW is greater then open carry, but it could be.
"I can't say for certain if the deterent factor of CCW is greater then open carry, but it could be."
I think there is no real way to be able to determine that. Personally, I prefer the CCDW but that is partly because of my job (which I won't go into) but carrying openly would not be considered appropriate by people I work with and by the public at large.
Keep in mind though, in states that do not allow it, if someone eyeballs my concealed gun and calls it in. I can lose my CCW, be arrested, charged with a crime etc...
The tactical advantage is arguable. If open carrying is as great a crime deterrent as it seems to be, the tactical advantage goes to OC, as it actually prevented a criminal from even approaching. Shooting someone first or attacking from behind can also be done to those CC'ing.
Yes OC can deter some criminals, but there are plenty out there who would not be intimidated by it. After all, if all criminals were detered by open carry, then the police would never be attacked. But as it turns out, they do get attacked quite often
Shooting first or attacking from behind can still happen with CCW, but I think its less likely because the perp will be luled into a false sense of security by not realizing your can defend yourself.
Why would a criminal want to mess with someone that they KNOW has a gun when they can mess around with someone they know doesn't have a gun.
People don't attack cops because their weapon and location of the weapon is known. They attack cops because they are trying to get away (or in the case of gangs, they have balls).
"Why would a criminal want to mess with someone that they KNOW has a gun when they can mess around with someone they know doesn't have a gun."
Because criminals arn't the most intellegent people on earth. Many would be detered, but others may just see that gun as a tempting target to steal and figure that can use the advantage of surprise to defeat you.
And think about this question. If open carry is better then CCW, then why do almost all cops pick the CCW option when they are off duty?
One reason I could think of is 40 hours a week is enough of being anything. I'm a professional in the medical field, but I take off my lab coat whenever I'm not at work.
The few times I've worn it outside the work place years and years ago, I got asked fifty million questions about every conceivable ailment from a hangnail to cancer. Not to mention other questions, where I work, how do I like it, etc...When I'm off work, I just want to be me, so it stays off.
maybe you should consider all of the holsters that have retention devices. Or perhaps consider the FACT that PROPORTIONATELY, the police have their weapons taken from them and used on them more than citizens who carry.
You stating the intention of a criminal act here for the world to see? Ya know, most people view criminals, the same way they view shit, good for nothing but fertilizer.
By the way, you would have the distinct honor? of being the first to ever try that.
As there has never been a case of anyone doing that to someone open carrying.
I am old enough to be a cop. I can pass the same background check a cop passes. I have more hours of gun training than a cop. If someone thinks I shouldnt have a carry permit, there are 2 possible reasons.
1. They think a badge is a magical charm that makes a person less dangerous.
2. They think disarming cops would make us safer.
I am safer and more effective than a cop. I am at the scene at the time of the crime to stop it, and unlike cops, I will get in trouble if I carry while drunk.
Right on! There is a opencarry movement starting in Kalifornia as well (though small thanks to the liberals who would not rather bear the responsibility of protecting themselves and their family).
I commend these men for fighting for our constitutional right. Carry on!
Orygunner makes a good point BTW. In fact, registered full automatic firearms have only been used in a crime ONCE! By an ex-police officer. I'm sure some of you saw the Virginia Tech hat on one of those guys. Had one person in that school had a pistol he could have stopped the killing. The cops who interviewed the survivors said he often had his back turned to some of them as he was searching for the ones he wanted to kill.
I'm still amazed at the people I see who are scared or worry about those who carry open. Those are the law abiding citizens. I remember once being poked in the back in the bank and being told that I couldn't carry a gun into the bank. I told the guy I was reaching for my wallet and I gave him my CCW Instructor business card. I told him that he couldn't be more wrong. A woman on line asked for a card and eventually took a class from me. There's nothing to be scared of Grantsinmypants.
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I'm not scared of it, I would just think it weird. I fully understand your reasons for doing it now: political activism, a lack of legal concealed carry, etc.
With the 2nd Ammend in full effect, I would just think it weird. I'd have the same reaction if I saw someone walking around in a mall with a football helmet on because of the slight chance that a brick is going to fall from the ceiling.
Once we have our rights secured, there's no reason to flaunt them.
On the flaunting of rights, the more people who exercise them, the harder it will be for the demagogues to take them away. Sadly, if politicians can't see how many voters care about the 2nd amendment, they feel that they can take away those rights with impunity. Why do they want to take away our guns? We're law-abiding citizens, and as such, would only use them for self-defense. It's not about reducing crime either. Look at the knife crimes in the U.K. now that they are without guns.
Here in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, I Open Carry on a daily basis.
Most cops know its legal in these states, but some cops get all nutso and try to make a scene. But when I show them the law photocopied, they get frustrated and tell me that "they dont like it".
Oh well , too bad. Im a law abiding citizen just like a Police Officer. If he can open carry, so can I.
Who knows, one late night it might be his wife or child that I may have to protect from some crackhead scumbag.
I really don't think you have to worry about law enforcement shooting someone for a holstered weapon. I have had numerous contacts by law enforcement without them pointed a gun at me. The guy in this video that had Norfolk drawl down on him was recently convicted of interfering with police business. He approached the police while armed and demanded to know what they were doing. He deserved the conviction, being armed is a RIGHT being stupid about what you do while armed is optional.
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I understand that people are open carrying because there's fewer and fewer options with all of the laws today, but open carry, by itself, as a tactic, is overkill
Carrying a gun in the vast majority of situations, or for most people, is unnecessary
Those who think they need a gun everywhere they go are just as paranoid as those who think that guns in private hands will lead to anarchy
I only carry at night, alone, or in similar high-risk situations. And, to not scare, I do it concealed
The real advantage to open carry is the education of non-gun owners. Currently, our culture 'knows' that only cops and criminals carry guns. Those who legally open carry, and explain this to those around them, will eventually change that perception.
It's a matter of acclimitization; when people are used to other normal, regular people carrying; they will lose the fear of guns that they've been taught to have.
I agree with all of that, but that's not what my comment was about. I think that if the 2nd Ammendment were fully resurrected, the majority of people you'd see openly carrying would be those who have a slightly unhealthy attitude towards guns. It's a bit ostentatious.
Not that I'd want to prohibit someone from doing it, but considering modern life, I just can't think of too many situations in which open carry would be necessary - outside of a political statement; which wouldnt be necessary.
What about protests? that is the perfect situation for open carry. For some reason it is now common procedure to deploy TROOPS of SOLDIERS in full battle gear ("riot gear") to surround and intimidate people exercising their right to protest. They are doing this to suppress dissent against the state, not "keep the peace" (the violence always ends up being directed at them in response to their threatening presence)... i think open carry would deter the state from using this method.
I agree. That's one of those situations that I was referring to when I said "I can't think of too many situations..."
But, as I alluded to, inside a culture which already fully protected the 2nd Ammendment, it wouldn't be likely that you'd encounter too many protests. Besides, perhaps, those types of people who want to use violence to achieve their ends (anarchists, socialists, etc).
Those people have every right to think what they do, but once they start taking to the streets.. go cops!
Too all of you who think open carry makes u a target, i open carry because it is a deterrent. It keeps the "bad guy" away. And as long you have a retention holster no punk will be able to pull your gun off your hip.
doghunter717 6 days ago
This is very important I say this: THANK YOU very, very much!! For FIGHTING for MY rights as well!!
khyea91 1 week ago
open carry ,, what about if you in the car do you need to unload your gun????
yuancg 1 month ago
To repeat what I said is important. WE, THE PEOPLE is at the begining of the Constitution. Notice the comma then the words THE PEOPLE. Notice THIS SAME PRINTING IN THE 2 AMENDMENT. Notice that 4 supreme judges trashed THE PEOPLE meaning for their personal and political beliefs? I consiider their action as TRESON!
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tock101 2 months ago
@246 Van Cleave is asked what he is carrying and he looks to his left side and realizes the weapon is holstered on the right. This is precisely why untrained goobers shouldn't be aloud to carry guns and why the forefathers of the constitution clearly stated gun ownership in the hands of a well regulated militia.
rediryou 2 months ago
Funny, I have never read or heard a story of anyone being "flash mobbed" who was open carrying. Hmm, I wonder why...; )
godbluffvdgg 5 months ago
most people that carry pay attention to the world around them, if you can spot the trouble your chances of avoidance is greater. If you can not avoid then you have the fire arm as a means of self defense.
Kiddeth 8 months ago
A Mission (YWAM) center, killed two people and wounded two others in Arvada, Colorado, United States. The gunman went in to the building early Sunday morning December 9, 2007, and opened fire. Witnesses told police that the gunman was a 24-year-old white male, wearing a dark jacket and skull cap, who had a handgun and left on foot. Twelve hours later, the same gunman was wounded by Ms. Assam after opening fire and killing two at New Life Church in Colorado Springs.[6] The coroner ruled that the
BigTVideos 10 months ago
Is there any fact or report that any of the last comment has validity behind it?
BigTVideos 10 months ago
I agree to CCW, but I think open carry is stupid. First it points you out as a target of any bad guy planning something, and second, the wussies in this country will get soooo scared about it and demand ridiculously over strict gun laws.
MorteWulfe 10 months ago
I have no problem with open carry. As Robert Heinlein said, "An armed society is a polite society."
dan1701a 1 year ago
I conceal carry because I dont want the bad guy to go at me first and two I dont want a bad guy trying to tackle me down for my firearm and three I dont want no LEO trying to harass me about my gun. I got a carry license but I like to avoid the bullshit.
KING5TORM1418 1 year ago
what was the rulling ?
romeoneverdies 1 year ago
I have a CPL and teach an NRA approved CPL class. I support the right to conceal and open carry. Here in Michigan we are allowed to open carry in most gun free zones if you have a CPL. The issue at large is the education of law enforecment, and what their reaction ought ot be reagarding seeing a citizen open carrying a firearm. Second ammendment rights as others such as unlawful detention should be at the top of the list when educating law enforcement.
wabbitttune 1 year ago
I'm not into open carry at all. I think the element of surprise is very important when carrying a weapon. Not to mention the fact that some crazy person may wrestle an open carry gun away from you.
schwarzblatt 1 year ago
When is Texas going to grow some balls and pass open carry?
ProGunTexan 1 year ago
I'm 41 and live in an open-carry area, and only found out about it this year via a coincidental conversation with a cop. I have NEVER seen anyone displaying open-carry, and I'm sure the majority of folks around here are like me. They never knew it was legal.
One point this clip ignored: It's not just modesty that keeps them from pulling their guns to show to the curious . . . it is against the law, unless they are defending themselves, or getting it in or out of safe storage.
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago
Again the reporter has left out two important words in the second amendment. The words are, THE PEOPLE. The left liberals always and perposely leave out those two words.
tock101 1 year ago
Very Positive! This isn't too bad actually. I wish WA State media was inclined to be so ... unbiased.
etwgoose 1 year ago
Does anyone ask you why you exercise your right to free speech? Or why you exercise any other right you have? I didnt think so...
TheNiceGun 1 year ago
If you are anti U.S. constitution you are not wanted in United States of America. Please move to another country such as Cuba...
manny298 1 year ago
i live in virginia, and carry concealed most of the time but i do carry open also and open carry is more practical in a tactical sense, just my opinion though.....GOD BLESS THE NRA, and down with those brady communists
pjicleanair420 1 year ago
open carry at the very least should be legal nationwide, i think concealed carry should be also but open carry is a must, it is a right everyone should have and exercise, california new york mass and illinois are not even part of the united states of america, they are communist run territories
pjicleanair420 1 year ago
im just gonna throw this out there, if you were in an unfamilier neighborhood and it was dark and several shady characters started comin toward you i think your anti gun ideal would change real quick and the fact is that the term a well regulated militia counts for any group of armed citizens who serve to protect a designated area in time of need so suck on that info stick obama/ palosi
copenhagenman18 1 year ago
im just gonna throw this out there, if you were in an unfamilier neighborhood and it was dark and several shady characters started comin toward you i think your anti gun ideal would change real quick and the fact is that the term a well regulated militia counts for any group of armed citizens who serve to protect a designated area in time of need so suck on that info stick obama/ palosi
copenhagenman18 1 year ago
What debate about guns prevent or cause violence? Guns don't cause anything ,the people who have them prevent or cause things to happen.
daddyg321 1 year ago
this report is a dill-hole. I am proud of him though....he overcame his fear and managed to hold himself together to complete the picnic.
I can't for the life of me imagine why they edited out all the murders that took place.....that many guns in one place; it must have been a bloodbath.
My favorite:
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun"
packin45 1 year ago
Open carry is a strategic nightmare!
What is the difference with inside the jacket or outside?
CCW is a civil rights issue! The right to self defense is the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!
masivatak 1 year ago
open carriers should be more like this. It seems most of them just want to flex their rights in order to cause trouble rather than flex their rights for the sake of constitutionality.
fake1009 1 year ago
The gun nuts have a chip on there shoulders, that's all. They want to start a confrontation over weapon ownership. Thery're not content to own a gun, they must flaunt it until someone objects to their threatening behavior, so they can claim their "rights" are being violated. Childish.
MrDominex 1 year ago
@MrDominex communist
NMghost223 1 year ago
i can t believe it
schwirzl 1 year ago
Just Awesome, yet another reason I feel that VA is the greatest state in the US. Rock on VCDL.
climberdave189 1 year ago 2
Listen to the language used by the producer of this segment - right off the bat they let you know this is a bias piece: "High Noon in Newport News..."
GiacomoKnox 1 year ago 2
So sad that we live in a society where people have so much (valid) fear of crime. I would rather not carry a hand gun yet live in a society where violent crimes are very rare (Europe).
strawberryseason 1 year ago
@strawberryseason hopefully you don't mean the UK. I'd rather be shot than stabbed in the back.
Ehal256 1 year ago
@Ehal256 The murder rate in the UK is far lower than the US. I feel that my chances are better to live if the person has a knife versus a gun.
strawberryseason 1 year ago
@strawberryseason It is lower,but considering the lower population and much smaller geographical area (murder rates in the US are only high in cities), it's pretty bad either way. Besides, if you're in close quarters with an assailant, I wouldn't count on your survival much either way, but knives are far more reliable at close ranges.
Ehal256 1 year ago
@Ehal256 Do you mean that a knife at a close range is more effective than a gun at a distance? Yes, that I would concur. But at close range I think that a gun would be more effective and take less time. To kill someone through stabbing usually takes several wounds. Case in point: Kitty Genovese.
strawberryseason 1 year ago
@strawberryseason Not quite. I already said, if you're assailed by someone at close range your chance of survival is low, But, there are many reasons why the edged weapon will always be the most effective weapon at close range, far more so than any weapon designed for long range combat. Besides, a 9mm gunshot (especially one aimed inaccurately, because of the proximity) would likely not keep you from running, a knife attacker could effortlessly sever a tendon in your leg and cripple you.
Ehal256 1 year ago
@Ehal256 We would have to appeal to gathered statistics on this one. It seems to me that if you really want to make sure someone is dead, you shoot them. Many people survive stabbings.
strawberryseason 1 year ago
"It seems to me that if you really want to make sure someone is dead, you shoot them" Yes, but at a distance, how the gun is designed to be used. The closer the target, the harder it is to use a gun, the closer you are, the easier it is to use a knife, and It's much easier to prevent someone from shooting you at close range than it is to stop them from cutting/stabbing you.
Ehal256 1 year ago
@strawberryseason What I mean is that a gun's only advantage over any other lethal weapon is it's ability to attack at distance. In close quarters, that advantage is completely gone.
Ehal256 1 year ago
@Ehal256 What about physical strength differences? Meaning that a woman might have a greater advantage to kill with a gun at close distance vs. a knife. I am female and I don't know if I would have the strength to kill someone with a knife, though if it were extremely sharp, that would help.
strawberryseason 1 year ago
@strawberryseason Strength isn't too much of a factor with a sharp weapon :P A decently sharp knife slices through all kinds of flesh like butter, if you pardon my analogy.
Ehal256 1 year ago
@strawberryseason Many people survive shootings and die from stab wounds...
Zryuken 1 year ago
How can I get invited to the next one?
99mustang232 2 years ago 4
Why did open carry lose it's appeal in modern day, surely mankind is regressing
norehct 2 years ago
VCDL rocks!
nightmaressuck 2 years ago 3
Love this video. Third time watching!
cpparks66 2 years ago 3
seek mental help
elegantmoose 2 years ago
You see what you want to see but honestly I know people of more color than me who carry...
I am not sure what point you wanted to make???
VirginianAmerican 2 years ago
I really think this is not a racial issue...
VirginianAmerican 2 years ago 13
6:20... thats my homie
mistarajae 2 years ago
YAY! GO VCDL!
Hello from a vcdl member! :D
l1nuxun1l 2 years ago
If you tink about it and if someone wants to do bad with a gun I'm pretty sure the gun isn't legal for them to have and would not be open carrying it.. I'm pretty sure its more dangerous when people conceal their weapon is when it should be a more of a concern because you don't know who has it and it'll be more of a surprise when the pull it out from cover
PROPOSED2aTL 2 years ago 2
Don't shoot to kill shoot to stay alive..
PROPOSED2aTL 2 years ago 3
I swear its a shame congress has no common sense.Members of congress if someone breaks in yr home to rob,kill,and destroy yr family what r u going to do.I know call the police on yr cell ph right?By that time yr dead or beaten half to death.Anything can happen anytime anywhere so its good to b armed.But of course some clowns cant realize this.I guess they would rather die along with their family.Come on ppl wake up and get with reality and have common sense.
nerocampachero 2 years ago
If I was a theif etc... I would think twice before robbing someone if I knew gun laws were legal and ppl had the right to carry I would think twice before commiting the crime.Ppl who dislike someone carrying a gun better think twice because the person carrying that gun just might save yr life one day.Wake up and get real for once!!!!!!!!!!!
nerocampachero 2 years ago
why don't u ask some one who dose rob houses. you would realize its better to rob you as a stolen gun is probably the smallest most street valuable item other than jewlery i will find and will pry from your cold dead hands before you even wake. stay up 24 hours a day and 1 hand on your gun and realize what a waste of life you are.
aod6string 2 years ago
Sure guns are valuable on the street - but so is a winning lottery ticket. It doesn't mean you're going to win.
Your plan of killing home owners in their sleep is idiotic. They could just happen to wake up in the middle of the night, or a dog could bark at you and wake the owner up. There's a million factors that you can't foresee.
Only the suicidal or stupid would purposely break into a gun owners home while they're there.
AnduinX 2 years ago 7
Very simple: Its your right to open carry. From what I seen, there very responsible. I think people get a bad impression of people who open carry...
Vazquez71 2 years ago 2
Laws only affect law abiding citizens.
RDNKThrasher 2 years ago
It must really suck to be an Australian!
jimitl5 2 years ago
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This is fucking outrageous!!!
BAN THIS SHIT!!!
They dont have a right to open carry unless they are law enforment or government related. Perhaps even a private security gaurd. But to have people walking arould like this is the wild west or somthing?!!?? BAN BAN BAN!
LeftLiberalSoCal 2 years ago
Ban the second amendment?
wiggy1059 2 years ago
No. They still have the right to "bear" arms just not exposed. Think of it like a paper bag over a liquer bottle. You still have your "guns rights". But you pay high taxes and need licenses and permits and are not allowed to take them out of your house.
LeftLiberalSoCal 2 years ago
" But you pay high taxes and need licenses and permits and are not allowed to take them out of your house. "
So much for self defense if I can't carry the weapon.
jimitl5 2 years ago
You can't license a right, convert it to a privilege and charge a fee for it. That's unconstitutional.
elsensei1 2 years ago
" But to have people walking arould like this is the wild west or somthing?!!?? BAN BAN BAN!"
Sure go ahead and ban them, then the only guns out there will be the ones carried by criminals who don't give a fuck about your ban. Open season on the rest of us. I can hear it now..."call a cop" ... and the cop will take 15 miniutes to respond (average time) and by that time you are dead.
jimitl5 2 years ago 2
I live in a state that allows open carry. I support open carry but I do not and prefer to carry concealed. Its good to have the option.
jimitl5 2 years ago
The option of killing or murder ??
togerrard 2 years ago
"The option of killing or murder ??"
The right to defend myself from being killed or murdered idiot!
jimitl5 2 years ago 2
It must really suk to be American !! lol
togerrard 2 years ago
"It must really suk to be American !! lol "
Why? because we have the right to defend ourselves? Lay down and die you fuckin sheep.
jimitl5 2 years ago
No togerrard, it's being Aussie that now sucks with the people having their rights yanked out from under tham and violent crime sky rocketing.
WindsorFox 2 years ago
togerrard you fuckin Australians are like the Europeans, you keep having your rights taken away from you one at a time over many years and you are too stupid to notice what they are doing. Turn you idiots into a bunch of dependent sheep. Soon your governments will determine everything and you will not be able to do a damn thing to stop them. Keep giving up yur rights and soon you will be under control of a dictatorship.
jimitl5 2 years ago
I personally would never want open carry in public but I sure would not want to prevent someone who is wants to from doing that.
swedishvolvo 2 years ago
If u dont want to carry a gun ur crime will be up up up and 911 are too slow if bad guy see u on 911 call they might hiurt u ot kill u with deadly weapon ...... I am an armd citizen I am keep the crime down down !!!!
FLX50KISDUMBPERSON 2 years ago
Virginia Citizens Defense League is great!
CounterRevolutionary 2 years ago
So glad to see so many others reasserting their Constitutional right to "bear" arms. Now the sooner the police departments are enlightened about this, the less harassment there will be. This is like a "rock-in-the-shoe for libs & some PD's, It drives them crazy. We have to keep moving the cause forward and no longer be on defense anytime the libs trott out more attacks on this most important right. Anyone notice the local PD had a NO COMMENT posture?
moam2 2 years ago 3
Everyone besides convicted criminals have the right to open carry in any state!! The remaining non open carry states just want and need to pass legislation that will prevent state and federal officials from harassing open carry gun owners in any state!!!!
SFShooter01 2 years ago
We have been doing this in michigan for years now..
tedmc77 2 years ago
I bet gun control / ban Libs are absolutey fuming about this.
HA!!!
IntellectualAddict 2 years ago
im glad open carry is allowed in Virginia w/o permit
kcufsteven 2 years ago
We're fighting for Open Carry in Oklahoma! HB 1414 is stuck in committee, but hopefully, we'll be able to push it through and get it voted for and approved. :)
brianthegeek 3 years ago
Contact Rep. Sue Tibbs Oklahoma government
SFShooter01 2 years ago
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brianthegeek 2 years ago
Rep. Tibbs is ignoring calls and emails that mention HB 1414. She has no interest in supporting the legislature.
brianthegeek 2 years ago
Open carry is almost completely useless. It is a right, And I am not against it. But it is stupid to open carry if concealed carry is an option. All open carrying does is make you a target. If someone is going to steal something, Your gun is near the top of the list. If someone is going to be violent, Hurting you and taking your gun will be the first thing they do. And finally, All it says is "Look at my psuedo-Penis". I could see if CC was not an option then OC would be the only option.
Charagrin 3 years ago
Its doesnt make you a target, it warns would be assailants off. Not to mention 7:14 where the news guy tried to pull the gun from the holster and it wouldnt come out. Retention holsters are very strong, ive gotten to try a few. Trust me unless you know the trick, are there are MANY kinds of retention, you cant just yank the gun out. If you see a guy with a gun its a back off sign. If they cant see it they dont know you can protect yourself.
YllwFvrPB 3 years ago
I agree with you in a way, my point is by making people conceal it it is harder to draw it if need be, but i also worry about gun jacking
tedmc77 2 years ago
Charagrin-
How is this hypothetical thief/violent person going to remove my gun from a retention holster before I draw and shoot them? Your argument has got to be one of the stupidest ones posted. I've had the dubious privilege of talking with a number of criminals, and they are NOT attacking people with guns on their hips. If that were true, cops would be the biggest group of crime victims. Oh, and the "pseudo-penis" remark? Shut the hell up. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Faithless415 1 year ago
@Faithless415 Criminal notes your gun. He shoots you first. Now he has 2 guns. That's all I am saying.I am all for the second amendment, I have a CCW for the state of Maine. My point is just that open carrying when concealed is an option is just an open invitation for hostility. Not only from criminals, but from anti-gunners as well.
Charagrin 9 months ago
@Charagrin I'll happily concede the point that CC does give you the element of surprise. But here's the deal: Criminals look for easy prey, first and foremost. Someone visibly armed is announcing that they are NOT willing to be easy prey. Since so many other people are, a criminal isn't going to risk attempting to ambush someone who is obviously prepared to shoot them. They would be taking a ridiculous, unnecessary chance, when there are plenty of obvious sheep to choose from.
Faithless415 9 months ago
@Faithless415 Amen!
GUALLACOL 3 months ago
@Charagrin Also, aside from the fact that attempted ambushes are way too risky, consider this about concealed carry: If your gun is hidden, you look like an ordinary sheep. It's not inconceivable that a criminal, not seeing that you're armed, will be more likely to attempt to harm you, which will require you to shoot and possibly kill them. In a way, concealed carry amounts to setting an ambush for a criminal. No great loss, but you don't kill another human without paying some sort of price.
Faithless415 9 months ago
I thought that this report was pretty fair. I am surprised that the reporter asked good questions like that. I mean anyone who has spent some time researching gun ownership is aware of this but I think it was a good thing to get people familiar with guns from a non-hollywood perspective.
UcanbeGOD 3 years ago
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im not scared to be shoot here wher i live, no hand guns exist on the streets,
and we here dont feel like we need show up a gun to get respect form others.
hobbexp 3 years ago
Yes they do.. you just have not seen them! Handguns are everywhere and the only dangerous ones are the ones owned by the criminals. We must be permitted to defend ourselves!
skyebaber 3 years ago
I think you'd be surprised how many guns are around you in your everyday life. A lot of Americans have concealed carry permits, you don't know who's got a gun. Not everyone lives in a sheltered gated community thing like wherever you live. I live in Los Angeles and I'm also a US Army soldier, and I've seen my share of violence. I need a gun on me everyday, a gun saved my life once. It's just like a group of cops having a picnic with their guns on them, criminals wouldn't even try to touch them.
armormaster 3 years ago 2
Holy shit newport news is where i went to college years ago, i wish i new about open carry then!(even though you cant carry at college grounds obviously)
94SexyStang 3 years ago
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Typical America. And lol to the guy who ironically is eating water melon.
teknomaker18 3 years ago
Right when they make the comment about folks moving to the watermelon, at 3:00, they show a black guy. That's so wrong!
Arlo003 3 years ago
Ever heard of coincidence? Only a racist would point something like that out.
FRecon333 3 years ago
Hell yeah!. some guys open cary in rural California. But In L.A. its a very LEO unfriendly. Only place I can open carry is the nat'l forest. Keep it up guys!
bubejunkie 3 years ago
btw my bro got shot in his face by a Doctor in a bar carrying a concealed 38. had he been able to see the gun it would have been more likely to have been avoided.
hittingrabbit 3 years ago
Weapons, bars, and alcohol do not mix. Notice in the video that there was NO alcohol at their picnic. In KY which is open carry and has CCDW guns are banned from bars for good reason.
jimitl5 3 years ago
And let's also not leave out women,as it was over a women that it all started.....
hittingrabbit 3 years ago
We need to start supporting open carry in South Carolina as well.
hittingrabbit 3 years ago 15
Greer S.C. here!!! Absolutely!!!!!
sirroxalot 3 years ago
Met Phillip Van Cleave yesterday at a gun safety course I took. Heck of a nice guy. Learned a lot from him. Hopefully I will have the oppourtunity to take his advanced class when it's offered.
Catfishingonthejames 3 years ago
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Why do these freeks need the attention?
bswillden 3 years ago
Please sign the Petition for Open Carry in Florida
flopencarry . com
and the Petition for Open Carry in Texas
petitiononline . com / texasoc / petition . html
Remove spaces.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago 3
thank you for the links.
boxerbart 3 years ago
People, come to opencarry . org when you get the chance and see all that is going on.
We have just finished raising over 5k for a Billboard touting Open Carry that will be placed in a very conspicuous location for many to see, and we are now raising money for Taxi Cab banners.
The news in Texas has covered this story many times now, and has also interviewed the founders and the maker of the Texas Petition many times.
Click on the forum tab and go to the Texas and Hot Topics sections.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
Great video, but Nightline as usual took a very biased stance on open carry.
akkrauta 3 years ago
Also, most people who open carry are VERY situationally aware of their environments. They don't miss a trick as they say.
If I conceal carry, I still run the risk of being approcahed by a criminal, because he doesn't even think I have one. Now will I be able to get to my concealed gun while his gun is trained on me? One has only hope. But, if I open carry it is going to cut way down on that even happening. How do I know, again because no criminal has tried it.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago 2
If the criminal has any sense he may also realize, someone open carrying a handgun just may have one concealed on his person as well.
Either way, currently open carry is the clear winner over which is the better deterrent.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
The simple litmus test is this...
Has a CCW holder had a gun pulled on him?
Answer: YES
Has someone open carrying had a gun pulled on them?
Answer: NO
Criminals are stupid, but apparently not THAT stupid. THAT stupid is borderline retard, below 80 IQ and one would have to then doubt the ability to pull it off.
If criminals view the gun itself as an object they desire to steal while on a person, then how come it's never happened?
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago 2
That was a very well done report, ABC.
diggingforgold 3 years ago
What are you waiting for?
N.C. is a an anamolous opencarry state, shouldn't be too hard to find someone OC'ing
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
no its not kno one is allowed to carry a gun. its alegal. lucky 4 them now they wont have 2 worrie about getin jacked
forgot266 3 years ago
mmmmmmmmm...no.
You do not know the laws in your own state, I suggest you look into it.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago 3
fa real dogg, no one carryies gun`s here except the police and some gang bangers, u can have a gun but u cant carry it around in public. only on your property.
forgot266 3 years ago
forgot266, you forget where you live?
Your profile states N.C, if that's true what are typing is pure bullshit and you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
I suggest you go to opencarry . org and go to the N.C. section and get a full eyeball of reality.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago 2
Michigan (where I love) has open carry. Many states do.
If you are legally allowed to own a pistol, you are legally allowed to carry it (except in no-gun areas like churches, banks, stadiums, etc...) as long as it's not concealed and not being "brandished" or waved around or pointed at people.
Problem is that most people don't realize it's legal. Most people (including cops and every day citizens) see someone with a gun and think (like you mentioned) "gangbanger". So they call 911...
diggingforgold 3 years ago
Well, no one can make you a criminal but you, if that's your desire, go for it.
Like I said, I'll be waiting to read about it, or see it on the news. Try to get a gun out of a Level 4 retention holster...good luck.
Personally, I think you'll be fertilizer sooner than later.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
hmm, Illinois doesn't allow Open Carry and Obama comes from Illinois.
thunderflash82 3 years ago
2+2=4
He's one of the most anti-gun, gun grabbing Senators, there's ever been. He's the black Ted Kennedy.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
I have no moral opposition to open carry, but from a purely tactical standpoint, I think CCW is better.
When your gun is concealed, the criminals won't know you have it, which gives you the advantage of surprise. When a gun is carried openly, the criminals will know you have it, which allows them to come up with a plan to defeat you before they attack, such as attacking from behind, attempting to disarm you, or simply shooting first.
TheStapleGunKid 3 years ago
Google "The Open Carry Argument"
OpenCarry 3 years ago
You're not thinking it through.
First a criminal preys mostly on what is considered weak. Check out forgot266's comment, he wants the "old man's" gun, he didn't say he'd take that "young guys" gun now did he. He said that because it is his instinct to prey on the weak. That is the way criminals think. That is why women and the elderly are the most targeted by criminals, they prey on the weak. They don't give a shit about your life, but they do care about their slimy own.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
You make some good points, but you are niave if you think all criminals would be detered by open carry. I bet some out there would see your gun and think "If I can attack quick enough and catch him by surprise, I'll get his wallet AND his gun, which I can sell for good cash or use on other victims."
Now I'm not saying he would succeed, I'm just pointing out that the deterence factor might not work as well as one would hope.
TheStapleGunKid 3 years ago
Naivety has nothing to do with it. I'm looking at the facts, 44 states OC and there hasn't been an incident yet like the ones you think will happen, the facts speak for themselves. Again, if it happened now, the exception would prove the rule.
Cops are attacked yes, but look at what their usually trying to do, when they are...apprehending the criminal, their back is against the wall, it's fight, flight or just give in.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
I agree FzSBLACKMAGICK. I happen to think open carry is just as effective as concealed carry.
Concealed carry is entirely reactive. It's not proactive or preventative because the criminal has no idea you are carrying. Most people conceal carry so as to not alarm people or cause problems.
Open carry, on the other hand, is proactive and can be used reactively as well. And those that open carry don't care about people that are alarmed. In fact, they want people to get used to it.
diggingforgold 3 years ago
Concealed carry is pro-active because it keeps the criminal guessing. If he's in a state that allows CCW, he'll know that all of his victims could be potential CCW carriers (and even if they are not, a different person who does carry might be present or arrive on the scene), which certainly has a deterant factor. Not being a criminal myself, I can't say for certain if the deterent factor of CCW is greater then open carry, but it could be.
TheStapleGunKid 3 years ago
"I can't say for certain if the deterent factor of CCW is greater then open carry, but it could be."
I think there is no real way to be able to determine that. Personally, I prefer the CCDW but that is partly because of my job (which I won't go into) but carrying openly would not be considered appropriate by people I work with and by the public at large.
jimitl5 3 years ago
That said, if CC is what you prefer fine.
Keep in mind though, in states that do not allow it, if someone eyeballs my concealed gun and calls it in. I can lose my CCW, be arrested, charged with a crime etc...
The tactical advantage is arguable. If open carrying is as great a crime deterrent as it seems to be, the tactical advantage goes to OC, as it actually prevented a criminal from even approaching. Shooting someone first or attacking from behind can also be done to those CC'ing.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
Only two states don't allow any form of CCW.
Yes OC can deter some criminals, but there are plenty out there who would not be intimidated by it. After all, if all criminals were detered by open carry, then the police would never be attacked. But as it turns out, they do get attacked quite often
Shooting first or attacking from behind can still happen with CCW, but I think its less likely because the perp will be luled into a false sense of security by not realizing your can defend yourself.
TheStapleGunKid 3 years ago
Why would a criminal want to mess with someone that they KNOW has a gun when they can mess around with someone they know doesn't have a gun.
People don't attack cops because their weapon and location of the weapon is known. They attack cops because they are trying to get away (or in the case of gangs, they have balls).
diggingforgold 3 years ago 2
"Why would a criminal want to mess with someone that they KNOW has a gun when they can mess around with someone they know doesn't have a gun."
Because criminals arn't the most intellegent people on earth. Many would be detered, but others may just see that gun as a tempting target to steal and figure that can use the advantage of surprise to defeat you.
And think about this question. If open carry is better then CCW, then why do almost all cops pick the CCW option when they are off duty?
TheStapleGunKid 3 years ago
One reason I could think of is 40 hours a week is enough of being anything. I'm a professional in the medical field, but I take off my lab coat whenever I'm not at work.
The few times I've worn it outside the work place years and years ago, I got asked fifty million questions about every conceivable ailment from a hangnail to cancer. Not to mention other questions, where I work, how do I like it, etc...When I'm off work, I just want to be me, so it stays off.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
maybe you should consider all of the holsters that have retention devices. Or perhaps consider the FACT that PROPORTIONATELY, the police have their weapons taken from them and used on them more than citizens who carry.
thorsmitersaw 3 years ago 2
Feel strongly about your right to Open Carry?
Is your right to free speech ok as long as you cover your mouth?
There are 44 states that recognize the right to Open Carry, Florida and Texas are two of only six states that do not.
Please sign the Florida Petition to Open Carry, go to flopencarry . com and join us at opencarry . org
You can also sign the Texas Petition to Open Carry at petitiononline . com / texasoc / petition . html
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
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i would punch that dude in tha face and steal his gun
forgot266 3 years ago
That would make you a criminal.
You stating the intention of a criminal act here for the world to see? Ya know, most people view criminals, the same way they view shit, good for nothing but fertilizer.
By the way, you would have the distinct honor? of being the first to ever try that.
As there has never been a case of anyone doing that to someone open carrying.
Be looking for you in the news.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
Punch me in my face and take my gun. I have a glock 23 .40 cal and a damn good shooter. Oh yeah, I also have a back up gun so you better be quick.
uakron17 3 years ago
excellent report! keep the movement going!
lochdhu 3 years ago
This is great stuff! We need this in Kentucky.
JarG0n 3 years ago
Psssst...you're allowed to open carry in Kentucky, not only does Kentucky have Open Carry, it is a GOLD STAR Open Carry State.
For more info go to opencarry . org
Click on maps and view the Open Carry map, then join us at the forum. Kentucky as all states has it's own forum at opencarry . org
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
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ah yes Virginia, home of the ugliest people in America.
zm5431 3 years ago
The supreme court has now spoken on the right to keep arms, now we need a ruling on bearing them.
DeadeyeKeith 3 years ago 2
hey dan morre is my step bro
codysbuddy 3 years ago
Please sign the open carry petition I started for Florida
flopencarry . com
FzSBLACKMAGICK 3 years ago
I am old enough to be a cop. I can pass the same background check a cop passes. I have more hours of gun training than a cop. If someone thinks I shouldnt have a carry permit, there are 2 possible reasons.
1. They think a badge is a magical charm that makes a person less dangerous.
2. They think disarming cops would make us safer.
I am safer and more effective than a cop. I am at the scene at the time of the crime to stop it, and unlike cops, I will get in trouble if I carry while drunk.
titleuk 3 years ago
Right on! There is a opencarry movement starting in Kalifornia as well (though small thanks to the liberals who would not rather bear the responsibility of protecting themselves and their family).
I commend these men for fighting for our constitutional right. Carry on!
kertong 3 years ago
Orygunner makes a good point BTW. In fact, registered full automatic firearms have only been used in a crime ONCE! By an ex-police officer. I'm sure some of you saw the Virginia Tech hat on one of those guys. Had one person in that school had a pistol he could have stopped the killing. The cops who interviewed the survivors said he often had his back turned to some of them as he was searching for the ones he wanted to kill.
ruggbutt 3 years ago
I'm still amazed at the people I see who are scared or worry about those who carry open. Those are the law abiding citizens. I remember once being poked in the back in the bank and being told that I couldn't carry a gun into the bank. I told the guy I was reaching for my wallet and I gave him my CCW Instructor business card. I told him that he couldn't be more wrong. A woman on line asked for a card and eventually took a class from me. There's nothing to be scared of Grantsinmypants.
ruggbutt 3 years ago
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I'm not scared of it, I would just think it weird. I fully understand your reasons for doing it now: political activism, a lack of legal concealed carry, etc.
With the 2nd Ammend in full effect, I would just think it weird. I'd have the same reaction if I saw someone walking around in a mall with a football helmet on because of the slight chance that a brick is going to fall from the ceiling.
Once we have our rights secured, there's no reason to flaunt them.
grantsinmypants2 3 years ago
On the flaunting of rights, the more people who exercise them, the harder it will be for the demagogues to take them away. Sadly, if politicians can't see how many voters care about the 2nd amendment, they feel that they can take away those rights with impunity. Why do they want to take away our guns? We're law-abiding citizens, and as such, would only use them for self-defense. It's not about reducing crime either. Look at the knife crimes in the U.K. now that they are without guns.
blobulus 3 years ago
Here in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, I Open Carry on a daily basis.
Most cops know its legal in these states, but some cops get all nutso and try to make a scene. But when I show them the law photocopied, they get frustrated and tell me that "they dont like it".
Oh well , too bad. Im a law abiding citizen just like a Police Officer. If he can open carry, so can I.
Who knows, one late night it might be his wife or child that I may have to protect from some crackhead scumbag.
KineticRic 3 years ago
Who cares what law enforcement thinks about what rights you exercise ? Keep up the could work !
RSRNV 3 years ago
I care that they arent informed that its totally legal in my state to open carry.
They should know the law so they dont blow off some poor guys head one day over a totally legal practice.
KineticRic 3 years ago 2
I really don't think you have to worry about law enforcement shooting someone for a holstered weapon. I have had numerous contacts by law enforcement without them pointed a gun at me. The guy in this video that had Norfolk drawl down on him was recently convicted of interfering with police business. He approached the police while armed and demanded to know what they were doing. He deserved the conviction, being armed is a RIGHT being stupid about what you do while armed is optional.
RSRNV 3 years ago
Go dan.moor
a65631jk12 3 years ago
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I understand that people are open carrying because there's fewer and fewer options with all of the laws today, but open carry, by itself, as a tactic, is overkill
Carrying a gun in the vast majority of situations, or for most people, is unnecessary
Those who think they need a gun everywhere they go are just as paranoid as those who think that guns in private hands will lead to anarchy
I only carry at night, alone, or in similar high-risk situations. And, to not scare, I do it concealed
grantsinmypants2 3 years ago
You're an idiot.
StarKnightGoku 3 years ago
You're compelling. With an argument like that, you might as well just point a gun at me to get me to change my opinion.
grantsinmypants2 3 years ago
The real advantage to open carry is the education of non-gun owners. Currently, our culture 'knows' that only cops and criminals carry guns. Those who legally open carry, and explain this to those around them, will eventually change that perception.
It's a matter of acclimitization; when people are used to other normal, regular people carrying; they will lose the fear of guns that they've been taught to have.
510dat 3 years ago 2
I agree with all of that, but that's not what my comment was about. I think that if the 2nd Ammendment were fully resurrected, the majority of people you'd see openly carrying would be those who have a slightly unhealthy attitude towards guns. It's a bit ostentatious.
Not that I'd want to prohibit someone from doing it, but considering modern life, I just can't think of too many situations in which open carry would be necessary - outside of a political statement; which wouldnt be necessary.
grantsinmypants2 3 years ago
What about protests? that is the perfect situation for open carry. For some reason it is now common procedure to deploy TROOPS of SOLDIERS in full battle gear ("riot gear") to surround and intimidate people exercising their right to protest. They are doing this to suppress dissent against the state, not "keep the peace" (the violence always ends up being directed at them in response to their threatening presence)... i think open carry would deter the state from using this method.
gnomit 3 years ago 2
I agree. That's one of those situations that I was referring to when I said "I can't think of too many situations..."
But, as I alluded to, inside a culture which already fully protected the 2nd Ammendment, it wouldn't be likely that you'd encounter too many protests. Besides, perhaps, those types of people who want to use violence to achieve their ends (anarchists, socialists, etc).
Those people have every right to think what they do, but once they start taking to the streets.. go cops!
grantsinmypants2 3 years ago