in america they even make up illnesses. in a socialised healthcare you will recieve the complete truth. it is a right if they can use money to kill people to fund their greedy friends they can give you healthcare. besides imagine this nobody owns anything it stays with earth if their was none of this capitalist bullshit everyone will look out for eacother and everyone will share healthcare,food, clothing,shelter to make sure one human being is not excluded
@irishbluejay First of all, that's a quote from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. Secondly, food also prolongs life, as does a house. Do you have a RIGHT to a home and food. Do you have a RIGHT to clothing? Using your moronic logic I could argue that everything is a right because it "prolongs life."
Listening to music reduces stress levels. Lower stress levels prolong life. Therefore, owning an iPOD is a right for everyone.
I thought this video response was going to make me very angry from the title... But no, you make some valid points.
I think maybe it's not a 'right' so much as it is humane.
However one of the problems is even if it is NOT a right -- the people paying money, are still paying way more then they should be because huge corporations are getting rich off of sick people.
There was an Ice Age and it warmed up, there was a Mini Ice Age just 500 years ago and it has been warming up ever since. The Industrial Revolution was not around during those periods.
NASA reports because of Solar Flares the Sun is the hottest it has been in over 100 years. There are no cars on the sun.
"How about another great depression - awesome stuff! Let's do it again! Lol..."
So I'm assuming you want to keep the FED that devalues your dollar, depreciates your savings, hurts the poor and middle class, and caused the Great Depression and the current recession.
"Plus, would you like me to lay out the model for US dominace that causes massive starvation and death world wide to allow you to attain "created" wants instead of human wants? I'm sure that is to much for you to handle. Look at Indonesia/East Timor for example."
Actually, it wouldn't. I disagree with just about everything the government has done...the government you voted for and I didn't.
"Also, that wonderful time in US history we speak of had the US considered a third world nation"
That is complete bullshit. America was the most industrialized nation at that period of history and was the greatest creditor nation. How can it be called "third world". Comparing other nations, it should of been a "first world" nation.
Wrong, the US wasn't, in fact in the late 1800's India was, thats why england invaded. also you make the monstrous mistake that most people who have no idea how the real world works makes. You can lead in industry but have a desperate population. If you didn't know our population was desperate then history eludes you. Labor strikes and massive protests were about that in the early 1900's. Another point - The Wall Street Journal says Mexico a perfect capitalist society - slave labor - a few rich
Also, that wonderful time in US history we speak of had the US considered a third world nation - yay, let's shoot for the gutter! How about another great depression - awesome stuff! Let's do it again! Lol...
Secondly, Your comments to me were ludicrous showing a lack of understanding on how the world operates, like powers eliminating the chance for people to act more environmentally freindly. Naive people like you think it's happenstance. Plus, would you like me to lay out the model for US dominace that causes massive starvation and death world wide to allow you to attain "created" wants instead of human wants? I'm sure that is to much for you to handle. Look at Indonesia/East Timor for example.
Logically I want the government to put in place labor laws and environmental laws that reduce corruption by corporations. Corporations (which are now considered human entities by law which is ludicrous) do not consider labor or the environment important. In fact the only allgiance they have is to profits which demolish labor rights and living standards. Basically you are clueless and if we were face to face I'd school you but I can't give a history lesson on youtube.
By the way, governing meaning "us" =democracy. Corporations are unaccountable tyrannies and much harder to change. In fact the government problems we have are from corporations operating in the shadow and focusing your hatred on the only vehicle you have to make change with. An obvious point for anyone who is awake. "We" need to change things, same as activists and labor did in the early 1900's which gave us higher living standards which carried through the early 1970s when our real wage peaked.
"If collecting garbage for your house is more important than health, air, water, soil, than you probably are an asshole."
So what.....you want the government to deal with that? Why don't you buy an air car or an HHO car to clean it up. (and save you a ton of money) What about a magnetic generator for your home?
"In any sane humane society health care would be a right."
Any sane person wouldn't start a healthcare system that creates artificial scarcity, leaving the government with the job to deny people access to healthcare.
The only way you can have a positive right (a right to a material good) is to enslave someone else.
I don't feel it's a right. And I ALSO feel that privatizing it would protect the maximum amount of people. The problem right now is Corporatism, which means government and big business getting in bed with each other and giving each other favors. Which means making it harder for new businesses to start up and creatine less competition.
However, with making it easy to start your own business and MORE competition, prices would go down and satisfy more people. =)
Imagine a poker table. One guy has two Aces and is going to win the all the money.
When it comes to healthcare most people use the utilitarian arguement to justify universal healthcare. But wait a minute why is that this arguement can be used to justify UHC and yet at a poker table the winner isn't required to share his winnings? And what about hobos. If hobos need money from a stranger to get healthcare then technically he has the right to rob somebody.
Socialized medicine does the exact opposite of what it attempts to accomplish: free medicare for all. If you give "free" healthcare to people, you will get artificial scarcity.
In order to keep giving people healthcare you have to do one of two things:
1)Deny people healthcare
2)Control people's eating habits and force them to exercise
It's just one thing leading to another leading to another.
And not only that when you get artificial scarcity the prices skyrocket contradicting the oringinal intent of the government program. Socialized medicine is a self-contradicting proposal.
Socialized medicine is humane. Instead of explaining our country from an economic standpoint, we should be looking out for humanity first. If we can subsidize farmers and Bears Stearns, surely we can provide health for every American. If we can 'liberate' other countries, we should have the most all-inclusive health care system on the planet.
Universal Health Care may not be a right but it would not hurt the goverment of the United States to provide it. There are roughly 301,270 doctors of various types in the United States. If we paid each doctor 500k per year and did for doctors what they did for HMO(no law suits).
Take our military budget(US$439.3 billion) and cut it by 30% we could afford the doctors, medicine and new hospitals.
Health care is a right, they who work make money which go to taxes, which go to universal health care. Everyone get health care, everyone pays. It's the same with schools, fire and police departments. You don't think you pay for fire departments? You do and your happy about that aren't you. Are there lack of quality in your fire department?
So you're a utilitarian huh. Maximum amount of good crap. Here's the thing if you even admitt that health care is not a right and that it would require the use of force to make someone else pay for you...thennnn how the hell does that give the most amount of happiness?? You have you're wealth stolen from you and given to someone else, hmmm something tells me someone would not be happy about that. Short answer health care is not a right. Free market health care will solve this problem.
There is no free market - in fact it would collapse, and the closer we've come to it the more robber barons we've had. The idea of a free market is beyond lunacy. In any sane humane society health care would be a right. If collecting garbage for your house is more important than health, air, water, soil, than you probably are an asshole.
Right that is why health care right now sucks. Richard Nixon designed the system so the incentive would be to give less healthcare.
"and the closer we've come to it the more robber barons we've had."
So I'm assuming you favored those anti-trust laws use against those "robber barons." Those anti-trust laws couldn't of been in favor of the consumers, only in favor of the companies that couldn't give equal value at the same price as those "robber barons."
Those anti-trust laws couldn't of been in favor of the consumers, only in favor of the companies that couldn't give equal value at the same price as those "robber barons."
The same robber barons who paid "slave" wages to allow those lower prices which makes those laborers, the majority of our population by the way live in a dirt pit. Nice try, but really really stupid.
Its funny that in a primitive jungle tribe if a tribe member falls ill the tribe will care for the fallen member as best they can. How is a nation different from a tribe. You would soon be called up to fight for your fellow 'tribe members' in your nation if there was a threat without any choice (defense) - why don't you think a tribemember/citizen who has fallen ill does't have some form of roght to help?
Douchbag? Tee hee. MM is certainly that. He kills for fun so that makes him a douchbag for sure. He may be liberal in some respects but he is a barbarian in many others. Hunting is for savages and humans should have got past that stage in their evolution by now.
Us Universal Health Care does not have to be Exactly like other countries. It would be Smart to learn/adopt the best elements of other systems and apply. THINK Tanks are so smart at showing how UHC won't work instead of ideas of how to make it work, while they promote more of same bad system.
Is crime prevention a right? That costs money. Should we privatize police work? If somebody threatens to kill you, should a police officer refuse to help you because you don't have crime insurance? Don't get me wrong, I realize that there are a lot of problems with this analogy, but I don't think it's about "rights". I think its about what kind of society we want to live in.
I most definitely believe it is a right in any society that truly cares about it's population, as is housing. I think we have to stop thinking monetary value is the "only" value. The right for someone to speak has value, clean air has value, clean soil has value.
The fact that it costs money shouldn't determine the outcome. I think we should first look at how we dont live in a free market and how that truly makes it more of a right. Not everyone can attain massive wealth and especially have the money to pay for healtcare in this outrageous system. It really comes down to whetehr we evolve or not. Do we stick with old ideas that weaken the society or strengthen it as a whole?
You can´t put a price on a human life, I would gladly pay a bit more taxes if that meant that everybody could get the medical attention that they need. The same goes for education.
That is so true. Thanks for posting. I am also dissapointed in the number of comments here relating to the gulf war. Stay on the subject, people! If you have a pro-healthcare comment, then make it. I personally think it will just create more fraud... like the "Free powerchair" commercials on TV. Commercials are expensive, and in the end Medicare pays for it thru an overpriced power chair... which just means taxpayer money wasted.
I think healthcare should be every single human beings right, especially in our powerful society. Please vote for universal healthcare in the united states.
IN Europe, the GOVERNMENT IS AFRAID OF THE PEOPLE.
In America, THE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF THE GOVERNMENT. Because they will bring guns and shoot you and kill you, if you protest! Remember Kent State, OHIO, in 1970.
We need to be UNITED as Americans (and citizens of the world), so we cannot be divided and conquered. WAKE UP! Saddest thing is that you dont even know you cannot advance spiritually whilst you are thinking and feeling in this baser-level. Dont play into the game of our "controllers"!
Healthcare is a Right. Every state should protect the people that supports its structure. We've several problems in Argentina, but near the 30% of the salary go to the state, Instead, healthcare and education (incluiding free university) are rights for everyone granted by our constitution.
amen brother, I like your thoughts, Healthcare for everyone would be great, but will never be possible without use of force (ie taxes). I'm anarchist too (capitalist anarchist), and therefore I can't see how a national healthcare system is a good thing, as it always starts with everyone paying more (or just the rich, which is also wrong).
Should people have access to affordable health care? Yes! Fuck social darwinism. They neocon/liberal ideology is a psychotic religion that has been injected into the brain dead so they can be more efficiently exploited. Wake up dammit, wake up!
we cannot morally take from one individual and give to another, this is why we reject socialism in America. I believe we would be far better off if government stayed out of health completely, it would lower costs and promote competition. Also for ones who cannot pay i believe in a charity system, as i said we cannot morally steal from one who has money to give it to another.
You are completely correct. You nailed it, FREE health care is NOT a right. People have the right to provide themselves with health care through working, and paying for insurance. Its that simple. The question is, do people have the right to not work, not buy insurance, and essentially demand that other people pay their for their health care for them. In my opinion, they do not.
You're addressing the wrong issue. Insanely high escalating health care costs and insurance premiums are the problem. I had a surgery 5 years ago by a neurosurgeon that cost $15,000. The same surgery 2 years ago cost $35,000, and was done by a radiologist.
10 years ago I paid $100/month for medical insurance. Now I pay over $400/month.
i suppose its ok for animals to eat chickens then isn't it? Even if animals don't have "judgment" do you honestly think an animal species who has eaten meat for 1000's of years would suddenly start eating vegetarian it doesn't work that way. Sorry to say but there will never be animal liberation.
im not really sure where you get that information however our closest ancestors chimps have more energy from a carnivorous diet then a vegetable only diet.
BMtimv, our closest ancestors are irrelevant. I don't deny that we are omnivores. However *because* we are omnivores, it's easy being vegan. Just because we *can* eat animal products, doesn't mean we *must* do so. And with vegans winning ultra marathons, the issue of "energy" is really really mute. This is just one of several thousands of justification attempts for continued use of torture products, all of which have been refuted.
Your right i like eating meat so i choose to, it tastes good.. ever had a hamburger, yummy! It is also apart of my culture. However I will say its a fact that most weightlifters are meat eating, I'm sure there are vegans that are weightlifters but its expensive and difficult to replicate that protein rich diet.
"Sorry to say but there will never be animal liberation." ** Yeah I bet you're really sorry to say that. However I'm glad to say that animal liberation is right here, right now, as an effect of the millions of vegans and vegetarians world wide. It's not going to come in a big rush, but person by person, until it's the norm and then people like you will look like the perverts and losers you are.
Please be mature and don't call me names. You are completely missing my point we are omnivores and all though our ancestors are "irrelevant" it does not change the fact that many animals will eat meat regardless if all humans become vegetarian. I reserve my evolutionary right to be an omnivore.
It's a right if you pay taxes. Honestly, list the things you think taxes should be used for and tell me why things like health care and education should not be at the top of that list.
The bigger issue higher is the profit-driven nature of the medical industry. The government should effect policies against pharmaceutical and health insurance companies that will make health care a more affordable commodity, rather than a right, (much like food). That way, the government can adequately cater for the underprivileged.
Rights are never free? You have the right to an education but you pay for that. Slaves were kept in America but they had the right to live free and this had to be fought for. Rights are never free.
Azriel. The money will come from cutting all Military spending. Do you know how much the US wastes on the military? Look at canada, the shittiest military in the world but is the most loved country in the world (americans wear our flags on their bags when travelling), has universal health care and some of the highest education standards on Earth (India, Pakistan and China have pretty good standards - incl. some of Europe like Bulgaria).
Right! We spend BILLIONS a month on a war to SECURE THE OIL, instead of putting a small fration of that into ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, which would obviate our need to be there in the first place! "WAR ON TERROR" is just a smoke-screen, a prevarication. But he WONT, because the Bushes are an Oil-family, and they want to help their cronies, the oil, insurance, and pharmaceutical multinationals. There are no countries anymore, only corporations!
And my award winning Beamship (do a search) work speaks for itself. What happens when you study, work hard, and pay no attention to anti-intellectual naysayers! Peace.
Since the constitution/Bill of Rights is enforceable through the courts, bureaucracy, executive and legislative powers, the police...these are all rights that need money to exist...no right is free, so the premise of your argument is nonsensical. And you said PETA wrong. :)
So glad to see this after hearing life shrunk down into a political issue. The real question is, is it a basic right to expect someone else to work for the benefit of others, no. To me, that doesn't sound good or bad. It's just a fact. I feel like Im drowning in emotional outbursts based on fear. And PETA does participate in douchebaggery. They could achieve so much more if they just informed (and carried out some black ops) but this costume wearing condescending side does more damage than good.
America offers great jobs and those who complain are idiots. I worked at UPS as a college kid, and had great insurance as a part time worker. Our system is great for those who work. And we help too much those who don't. Americans who complain are too lazy to move , join the military, get educated or do what it takes to make their life successful. Period. Life is good for those who try...
Well, I would disagree. During the recession, my dad was laid off from a well known IT company. During the month in which he was unemployed and job hunting, I came down with life viral meningitis. The cost of the medical bills was almost overwhelming. Catastrophes happen to even the hardworking.
Wow that is complete bullshit I don't mean to be judgemental but I'm guessing you don't come from a poor family in a poor neighborhood. I saw something from Bowling for Columbine. When Michael Moore talks about the Welfare to work program in Flint Michigan. People on welfare are forced to work. The poverty level in the area is like 80% or something like that. Think about this They don't have the money to move it's not that they are lazy. Jackass I can't believe you would say that.
you are wrong jackass and lazy. my family was poor, but because my dad saved 4 years of vacation, we moved out of the area. We didn't buy shit we waned and all of us kids did what it took to get ahead. People who are poor are indeed lazy if they do not get out of the area after a period of time. Period. Do not make excuses. look at the immigrants who make it without a single dollar to start. Yes, people make their own destiny.
I would disagree with your thought that America is great for those who work. Those who don't work have it made. Either with welfare or being born into a wealthy family. Then work isn't necessary. There are lazy people who could have made their lives better than they are. But to say that all people who complain are idiots and lazy is just ignorant. And You need to have A LOT of MONEY to move. I'd say 75 percent of the population doesn't have enough money to move to a good neighborhood.
chindemo07, if you think being on welfare is anything close to "having it made" I'd guess you've never been on welfare. I haven't either but I know people who have and it is definitely not a good look.
Right but I'm talking about people who choose to be on welfare or social security and don't want to work. They have life very easy. They don't have to do anything. THey don't want to do anything. So they have it the way they want it.
Wrong, I came from a very poor family on welfare, but my dad saved four years of vacation to get us out.We didnt spend our money on a TV or fast food,or shinny car rims, but after some time we made it. If you live in America, and you stay in your state, it is because your family chose to do so. Period. stop making excuses. But yes, I will agree that people are too long on the welfare program also.
also, if you want to move, join the military. they offer good training, pay , college , language training and when you are done, you have the chance to move anywhere and not go back to your old shitty address. Hey, you can also move your extended family if that is what it take.
I don't believe that stuff about the military for a second. What are you a military recruiter? But you might be right I just don't believe it. So you you blame everyone who lives in the same town their whole lives for not being able to leave their town. Pretty ridiculous. I know that my family wouldn't have enough money to move to a nice neighborhood. We have moved in the past though but it was because we were paying too much in taxes. That is just not a fair statement. Period.
Life is not good for ALL those who try. Period, thats a fact. Im not sure where you live, but it isn't that simple from what Ive experienced. To make a statement like that 'jefekiyo' is much to broad, I doubt you've seen and understood the lives of more that .01% of the population. I don't think you've experienced or understood enough life to make that statement.
Recycling should be overhauled. A percentage should go to American public health care. This will also spur public interest IN recycling. And that equals what.... Any more suggestions ???
I'm from the UK and if you are sick, you go to your family Doctor, he then sends you for whatever treatment you need and it doesnot cost you a penny. If you want to pay, that option is also there. The cost is covered by taxes, which also pay for police, fire department, schools and government not to mention the armed forces. It might not be a perfect system but at least if you are rich or poor, there is still free healthcare.
i agree with what you said about coercion. income redistribution amounts to stealing which is morally wrong. i think i disagree about socialized medicine being best. our current system is highly regulated already and maybe it would be good to look at how the current regulations are making it inefficient. like the AMA has monopoly control over who gets to practice medicine.
Hey Uragan, we're all niggers, as all humans on Earth today are offsprings of a relatively small group of humans in Africa. Pale niggery is a very recent genetic mutation of just 10,000 years ago - us pale Niggers survived better in Europe because our tape worm like skin produces Vitamin D from the pale Europe sun more quickly! So face your evolutionary truth and get into contact with your inner Nigger, Nigger:-)
niggers are keeping themselfs down. they are born with every right white ppl are in America. its not the white mans fault if the nigger does not want to get off his lazy ass and educate him self, let alone get a job. "WORKED UP THAT JOINT" does not mean u work there it means u robbed it. no slave owners are alive 2day in america or any ex slave so keep pushing a dead corpse it will do allot to help the niggers
In addition, you are correct in establishing the ambiguity of health care being a "right". The US government's primary job is to protect the people, and when the people suffer from a lack of health care, the government should step in. HOWEVER, to provide such services to EVERYONE would cost so much money and is no longer considered pragmatic due to the characteristics of our evolved capitalistic society. So the whole issue of it being a right is very gray.
A socialized system of health care would obviously be ideal, where we don't have to pay for it, and if we did, we wouldn't have to pay much. However, unfortunately thats not the case. Any country with a universal health care system either has very high taxes, a relatively small population, or no wars to fight or domestic issues to settle. The US has none of that, so such a system would be hard to implement.
Thanks, well spoken. You might read the economist Milt Friedman (sp?). His fundamental idea is that we each spend our own money more carefully then someone else spending it on yet someone else.
What about the fact that individuals as individuals will not ultimately have a say in it if the gvt. decides to set health care for everyone? That's setting up the majority over the individual because money will be coming from each individual unless that person chooses not to work and thereby pay taxes into universal health care (among other things). For most people no work means starving to death or becoming a homeless person living off charity.
So we each can't be are own selfish pigs, tragic. Look at things like the fire department; we don't have a direct say in it, but we do have a say in it through representative democracy. Individuals often don't even have a say as individuals over their local governments, so what makes you think individuals as individuals will have a say over a federal government. Lest we forget, our motto is E Pluribis Unum.
Thanks for this video. You underscored a primary issue: individual rights vs. greatest good for the largest number of people. Understanding that is fundamental to this question. I think protecting individual rights is moral. Sacrificing the individual's rights for the good of a majority is wrong. I want to live! "Go not gently...".
You have a well thought out post. I don't think that healthcare is a right. .....life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. To my knowledge it doesn't say right "to happiness" just the pursuit thereof. My point is the constitution doesn't give us the right to healthcare but the right to it if we want to pursue it.
The right to life if you can pay to live. You guys need to see what health care means as a whole, and how it can be offset as a saving, not an expense.
Dude, you do not want the mysterious rash covering my right hand right now. You do not want my currant health care insurance to deny coverage because "it's not a life threatening illness".
Well, BR, I instant viewed video on Netflix, and I don't understand where you are coming from. Did I ever say that healthcare had to be subsidized by income tax?
You never said that. But, The only logical form of paying for it would be thru payroll taxes. Thats the whole coercion aspect. With UHC or single payer system, you loose the right to pay for the private healthcare of your choice. Heres another aspect, with a system where everyone that wants (notice I didnt say needed) healthcare gets it on someone else dime, what do you think the potential for hypochondriacal abuse would be? I bet we have more hypochondriacs in the U.S. than Canada has ppl.
First, you simply have a lack of imagination. Second, you wouldn't lose the right to pay for private health care, look at the NHS for heavens sake. If that doesn't convince you, look at toll roads, private schools, etc. I don't think hypochondriacs are a major problem, and they would be better dealt with in a system that is much cheaper to operate than our current system, a socialized one.
we've spent over $600 billion on war funding since 9/11. when it comes to war the rich always seem to find a way to pay for it. i think healthcare is a right but does it really matter what i think, two-thirds of americans already support it. we are the most overworked people in the industrial world, it's about time we have some basic healthcare for everyone without the strings attached by greedy middleman insurance/pharma companies.
one thing i take issue with, you said it can't be a right because it involves coercion. i don't think this is an argument against it, otherwise the right to live should not exist either because it cannot be protected without the threat of coercion. in fact, i don't think any society with some semblance of order would exist if you didn't have some level of coercion. it would be a Hobbesian world of every man for himself if you completely did away with it.
i didn't say that, i said in order to maintain a social order where these rights are possible (right to free speech, right to live, etc) you need a system that relies on coercion (in one form or another) in order to enforce these social norms, otherwise people would have no incentive not to kill eachother or trample on eachothers 'rights' because there would be no consequences.
Nationalized health care is corecion because Im forced by the fullest extent of the law (IE: at gunpoint) to pay for someone else's healthcare when I dont want to.
The only coercion with the right to life is when you try to take anothers life away by murdering them when they dont want to be killed. Suicide is a prime example that the right to life isnt coerced.
you're forced to pay your taxes for other things too, in order to pay for roads, schools, hospitals, etc. it's called the social contract buddy, without it, there would be no such thing as society, just a bunch of individuals acting out of their own individual self-interest. you want to live in that world, move into the jungle.
Roads come out of gasoline tax,Schools come out of property tax,County hospitals get paid for also using property tax as well as payment for services.Free healthcare comes directly out of my paycheck.I can ride a bike as not to pay gas taxes,I can rent to not pay property taxes.Of course,I pay those taxes because I use the roads and send my kids to school.How much do you think your weekly payroll taxes are going to go up when you are forced to pay for healthcare even when your not using it?
There is no social contract. In fact, the idea of a "social contract" is a contradiction of terms, since contracts must be entered into voluntarily to be considered valid.
Heres my main concern with regards to government run healthcare. I go into a Dr's office for the results of a yearly checkup and hear this. "Mr. Big_Rob, everything is fine with your checkup but your drug test came back positive for marijuana and since drugs are illegal within the United State we are obligated under law to report you to the local police department for drug use. Please wait for them to get here.
what rights can you name that can be protected for free?
scottishlad1987 1 year ago
in america they even make up illnesses. in a socialised healthcare you will recieve the complete truth. it is a right if they can use money to kill people to fund their greedy friends they can give you healthcare. besides imagine this nobody owns anything it stays with earth if their was none of this capitalist bullshit everyone will look out for eacother and everyone will share healthcare,food, clothing,shelter to make sure one human being is not excluded
gettingchilli 2 years ago
healthcare is a right everyone deserve to be able to have surgery or a doctor if they need it. it should not be based on who is richest
893160007 2 years ago
Find me somewhere in the Constitution where it says healthcare is a right.
TacoEqualsFtw 2 years ago
@TacoEqualsFtw life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. LIFE. Healthcare prolongs life
irishbluejay 5 months ago
@irishbluejay First of all, that's a quote from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. Secondly, food also prolongs life, as does a house. Do you have a RIGHT to a home and food. Do you have a RIGHT to clothing? Using your moronic logic I could argue that everything is a right because it "prolongs life."
Listening to music reduces stress levels. Lower stress levels prolong life. Therefore, owning an iPOD is a right for everyone.
Nice try, idiot.
terryshiavoftw 5 months ago
After all the taxes I paid in my lifetime your damn right I think the government owes me something in return.
badmuffy 2 years ago
like police fire fighters transportation postal system and hopefully health care
893160007 2 years ago
i think you are right on!
prattleon 2 years ago
WOOOOOHOOOOOOO ANARCHY FTW
TheHorribleHomeless 2 years ago
I thought this video response was going to make me very angry from the title... But no, you make some valid points.
I think maybe it's not a 'right' so much as it is humane.
However one of the problems is even if it is NOT a right -- the people paying money, are still paying way more then they should be because huge corporations are getting rich off of sick people.
jessabelle303 2 years ago
Don't worry about it...just smoke some weed man and everything will be alright.
A7XandJackDaniels 2 years ago
If everyone has it, and it comes from the nation's collective pocket, then it is considered a right.
All rights cost us, in one way or another.
A right to go on strike if your working circumstances are shit, costs money.
A right to due process costs money.
A right to be safe, training and maintaining police and army costs tremendous amounts of money.
TAKENnameARGH 2 years ago
For me healthcare is a privilege not a right. But I think if there is a social healtcare everyone should have equal access to it.
pimpolinka69 3 years ago
There was an Ice Age and it warmed up, there was a Mini Ice Age just 500 years ago and it has been warming up ever since. The Industrial Revolution was not around during those periods.
NASA reports because of Solar Flares the Sun is the hottest it has been in over 100 years. There are no cars on the sun.
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago 2
Global warming is causing ice to melt on Mars. There are no cars on Mars.
More carbon dioxide produces better fruits, vegetables, trees and almost any sort of plant life.
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago 2
"How about another great depression - awesome stuff! Let's do it again! Lol..."
So I'm assuming you want to keep the FED that devalues your dollar, depreciates your savings, hurts the poor and middle class, and caused the Great Depression and the current recession.
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago
Why assume such idiocy?
antidote7 3 years ago
"Plus, would you like me to lay out the model for US dominace that causes massive starvation and death world wide to allow you to attain "created" wants instead of human wants? I'm sure that is to much for you to handle. Look at Indonesia/East Timor for example."
Actually, it wouldn't. I disagree with just about everything the government has done...the government you voted for and I didn't.
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago
I didnt vote for this asshole administration
antidote7 3 years ago
"Also, that wonderful time in US history we speak of had the US considered a third world nation"
That is complete bullshit. America was the most industrialized nation at that period of history and was the greatest creditor nation. How can it be called "third world". Comparing other nations, it should of been a "first world" nation.
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago
Wrong, the US wasn't, in fact in the late 1800's India was, thats why england invaded. also you make the monstrous mistake that most people who have no idea how the real world works makes. You can lead in industry but have a desperate population. If you didn't know our population was desperate then history eludes you. Labor strikes and massive protests were about that in the early 1900's. Another point - The Wall Street Journal says Mexico a perfect capitalist society - slave labor - a few rich
antidote7 3 years ago
"Corporations are unaccountable tyrannies and much harder to change."
How are they tyrannies? How did they obtain all their money? How did they reach their place in the market?
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago
Took place in a market that isn't free by lobbying legislation to that effect. Watch the documentary The Corporation to understnad.
antidote7 3 years ago
Also, that wonderful time in US history we speak of had the US considered a third world nation - yay, let's shoot for the gutter! How about another great depression - awesome stuff! Let's do it again! Lol...
antidote7 3 years ago
Secondly, Your comments to me were ludicrous showing a lack of understanding on how the world operates, like powers eliminating the chance for people to act more environmentally freindly. Naive people like you think it's happenstance. Plus, would you like me to lay out the model for US dominace that causes massive starvation and death world wide to allow you to attain "created" wants instead of human wants? I'm sure that is to much for you to handle. Look at Indonesia/East Timor for example.
antidote7 3 years ago
Logically I want the government to put in place labor laws and environmental laws that reduce corruption by corporations. Corporations (which are now considered human entities by law which is ludicrous) do not consider labor or the environment important. In fact the only allgiance they have is to profits which demolish labor rights and living standards. Basically you are clueless and if we were face to face I'd school you but I can't give a history lesson on youtube.
antidote7 3 years ago
By the way, governing meaning "us" =democracy. Corporations are unaccountable tyrannies and much harder to change. In fact the government problems we have are from corporations operating in the shadow and focusing your hatred on the only vehicle you have to make change with. An obvious point for anyone who is awake. "We" need to change things, same as activists and labor did in the early 1900's which gave us higher living standards which carried through the early 1970s when our real wage peaked.
antidote7 3 years ago
"If collecting garbage for your house is more important than health, air, water, soil, than you probably are an asshole."
So what.....you want the government to deal with that? Why don't you buy an air car or an HHO car to clean it up. (and save you a ton of money) What about a magnetic generator for your home?
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago
"In any sane humane society health care would be a right."
Any sane person wouldn't start a healthcare system that creates artificial scarcity, leaving the government with the job to deny people access to healthcare.
The only way you can have a positive right (a right to a material good) is to enslave someone else.
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago
I don't feel it's a right. And I ALSO feel that privatizing it would protect the maximum amount of people. The problem right now is Corporatism, which means government and big business getting in bed with each other and giving each other favors. Which means making it harder for new businesses to start up and creatine less competition.
However, with making it easy to start your own business and MORE competition, prices would go down and satisfy more people. =)
stealthswimmer 3 years ago
Imagine a poker table. One guy has two Aces and is going to win the all the money.
When it comes to healthcare most people use the utilitarian arguement to justify universal healthcare. But wait a minute why is that this arguement can be used to justify UHC and yet at a poker table the winner isn't required to share his winnings? And what about hobos. If hobos need money from a stranger to get healthcare then technically he has the right to rob somebody.
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago
Imagine how wrong you are because you are.
antidote7 3 years ago
Socialized medicine does the exact opposite of what it attempts to accomplish: free medicare for all. If you give "free" healthcare to people, you will get artificial scarcity.
In order to keep giving people healthcare you have to do one of two things:
1)Deny people healthcare
2)Control people's eating habits and force them to exercise
It's just one thing leading to another leading to another.
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago
And not only that when you get artificial scarcity the prices skyrocket contradicting the oringinal intent of the government program. Socialized medicine is a self-contradicting proposal.
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago
Socialized medicine is humane. Instead of explaining our country from an economic standpoint, we should be looking out for humanity first. If we can subsidize farmers and Bears Stearns, surely we can provide health for every American. If we can 'liberate' other countries, we should have the most all-inclusive health care system on the planet.
proteanview 3 years ago
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Universal Health Care may not be a right but it would not hurt the goverment of the United States to provide it. There are roughly 301,270 doctors of various types in the United States. If we paid each doctor 500k per year and did for doctors what they did for HMO(no law suits).
Take our military budget(US$439.3 billion) and cut it by 30% we could afford the doctors, medicine and new hospitals.
Grandus11 3 years ago
We need socialized T Shirts.
dedmonk 3 years ago
Health care is a right, they who work make money which go to taxes, which go to universal health care. Everyone get health care, everyone pays. It's the same with schools, fire and police departments. You don't think you pay for fire departments? You do and your happy about that aren't you. Are there lack of quality in your fire department?
Strandgrim 3 years ago
So you're a utilitarian huh. Maximum amount of good crap. Here's the thing if you even admitt that health care is not a right and that it would require the use of force to make someone else pay for you...thennnn how the hell does that give the most amount of happiness?? You have you're wealth stolen from you and given to someone else, hmmm something tells me someone would not be happy about that. Short answer health care is not a right. Free market health care will solve this problem.
Aristotle100 4 years ago
There is no free market - in fact it would collapse, and the closer we've come to it the more robber barons we've had. The idea of a free market is beyond lunacy. In any sane humane society health care would be a right. If collecting garbage for your house is more important than health, air, water, soil, than you probably are an asshole.
antidote7 3 years ago
"There is no free market"
Right that is why health care right now sucks. Richard Nixon designed the system so the incentive would be to give less healthcare.
"and the closer we've come to it the more robber barons we've had."
So I'm assuming you favored those anti-trust laws use against those "robber barons." Those anti-trust laws couldn't of been in favor of the consumers, only in favor of the companies that couldn't give equal value at the same price as those "robber barons."
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago
Those anti-trust laws couldn't of been in favor of the consumers, only in favor of the companies that couldn't give equal value at the same price as those "robber barons."
The same robber barons who paid "slave" wages to allow those lower prices which makes those laborers, the majority of our population by the way live in a dirt pit. Nice try, but really really stupid.
antidote7 3 years ago
Pretty good video... My view: Health care is not a right. Socialized medicine would be immoral and destructive.
Jocke1776 4 years ago
Its funny that in a primitive jungle tribe if a tribe member falls ill the tribe will care for the fallen member as best they can. How is a nation different from a tribe. You would soon be called up to fight for your fellow 'tribe members' in your nation if there was a threat without any choice (defense) - why don't you think a tribemember/citizen who has fallen ill does't have some form of roght to help?
trampjuicerocks 4 years ago 3
Good video. But no, health care is not a right. It's a limited resource just like everything else, and not everyone can have it.
I'm not cold hearted, I'm just stating the truth.
mlevoaddict 4 years ago
Douchbag? Tee hee. MM is certainly that. He kills for fun so that makes him a douchbag for sure. He may be liberal in some respects but he is a barbarian in many others. Hunting is for savages and humans should have got past that stage in their evolution by now.
Poteen33 4 years ago
Poteen33,
So you're saying that we shouldn't eat meat anymore? Some people in this country (and others) still hunt to provide food for their families.
Don't get me wrong... I'm a member of PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals).
mlevoaddict 4 years ago
you are hot =)
Jenya18 4 years ago
Us Universal Health Care does not have to be Exactly like other countries. It would be Smart to learn/adopt the best elements of other systems and apply. THINK Tanks are so smart at showing how UHC won't work instead of ideas of how to make it work, while they promote more of same bad system.
HealthProp 4 years ago
exactly...
antidote7 4 years ago
Is crime prevention a right? That costs money. Should we privatize police work? If somebody threatens to kill you, should a police officer refuse to help you because you don't have crime insurance? Don't get me wrong, I realize that there are a lot of problems with this analogy, but I don't think it's about "rights". I think its about what kind of society we want to live in.
socratesone 4 years ago
socratesone,
The Right to Bear Arms (2nd Amendment) is there to allow you to serve in militia, but also protect yourself from the common criminal.
Police are there also, but a gun or a knife will be there much quicker if you utilize that right. You have the right to protect yourself.
mlevoaddict 4 years ago
I most definitely believe it is a right in any society that truly cares about it's population, as is housing. I think we have to stop thinking monetary value is the "only" value. The right for someone to speak has value, clean air has value, clean soil has value.
antidote7 4 years ago
continued:
The fact that it costs money shouldn't determine the outcome. I think we should first look at how we dont live in a free market and how that truly makes it more of a right. Not everyone can attain massive wealth and especially have the money to pay for healtcare in this outrageous system. It really comes down to whetehr we evolve or not. Do we stick with old ideas that weaken the society or strengthen it as a whole?
antidote7 4 years ago
Well said,
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
what happend to your nose, wherez moore when you need him,.,fix that nose
1O0o 4 years ago
If inmates get free healthcare, I think I'm more than entitled.
akatonystarks 4 years ago
You can´t put a price on a human life, I would gladly pay a bit more taxes if that meant that everybody could get the medical attention that they need. The same goes for education.
bohemian187 4 years ago
do you think that public education is a right?
someone's gotta pay for it...
beatnix99 4 years ago
I am so impressed with your logical thoughts!
visitor4400 4 years ago
I agree. Your response was very logical and well presented.
dbonanno 4 years ago
you have to to do a real revolution if u wait that health CAre corparation left this amaizing business
sackmanfree 4 years ago
That is so true. Thanks for posting. I am also dissapointed in the number of comments here relating to the gulf war. Stay on the subject, people! If you have a pro-healthcare comment, then make it. I personally think it will just create more fraud... like the "Free powerchair" commercials on TV. Commercials are expensive, and in the end Medicare pays for it thru an overpriced power chair... which just means taxpayer money wasted.
goofball223 4 years ago
Dude, you are so right about this! Good thinking! It's so rare to see people actually being rational on Youtube.
gamp0001 4 years ago
I think healthcare should be every single human beings right, especially in our powerful society. Please vote for universal healthcare in the united states.
gamer46290 4 years ago
IN Europe, the GOVERNMENT IS AFRAID OF THE PEOPLE.
In America, THE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF THE GOVERNMENT. Because they will bring guns and shoot you and kill you, if you protest! Remember Kent State, OHIO, in 1970.
Beamshipcaptain 4 years ago
We need to be UNITED as Americans (and citizens of the world), so we cannot be divided and conquered. WAKE UP! Saddest thing is that you dont even know you cannot advance spiritually whilst you are thinking and feeling in this baser-level. Dont play into the game of our "controllers"!
Beamshipcaptain 4 years ago
La vie par cohersion ?
jstathis 4 years ago
Healthcare is a Right. Every state should protect the people that supports its structure. We've several problems in Argentina, but near the 30% of the salary go to the state, Instead, healthcare and education (incluiding free university) are rights for everyone granted by our constitution.
deloesteonline 4 years ago
amen brother, I like your thoughts, Healthcare for everyone would be great, but will never be possible without use of force (ie taxes). I'm anarchist too (capitalist anarchist), and therefore I can't see how a national healthcare system is a good thing, as it always starts with everyone paying more (or just the rich, which is also wrong).
Abyssal08 4 years ago
Should people have access to affordable health care? Yes! Fuck social darwinism. They neocon/liberal ideology is a psychotic religion that has been injected into the brain dead so they can be more efficiently exploited. Wake up dammit, wake up!
veganfemale 4 years ago
Right on! We must be UNITED, not divided and conquered by the illuminati, the Rich old families, and the power-elite.
Beamshipcaptain 4 years ago
Yeah DeadlyVideo, show the world the real America, don't you inhibit yourself...
veganfemale 4 years ago
we cannot morally take from one individual and give to another, this is why we reject socialism in America. I believe we would be far better off if government stayed out of health completely, it would lower costs and promote competition. Also for ones who cannot pay i believe in a charity system, as i said we cannot morally steal from one who has money to give it to another.
bmtimv 4 years ago
You are completely correct. You nailed it, FREE health care is NOT a right. People have the right to provide themselves with health care through working, and paying for insurance. Its that simple. The question is, do people have the right to not work, not buy insurance, and essentially demand that other people pay their for their health care for them. In my opinion, they do not.
henry1357911 4 years ago
you see it's people like you i kick the crap outa you racist cunt!!!
mikejb69 4 years ago
You're addressing the wrong issue. Insanely high escalating health care costs and insurance premiums are the problem. I had a surgery 5 years ago by a neurosurgeon that cost $15,000. The same surgery 2 years ago cost $35,000, and was done by a radiologist.
10 years ago I paid $100/month for medical insurance. Now I pay over $400/month.
The issue is insane rising costs.
mikesjunk00 4 years ago
you like michael moore,enough said.
trink968 4 years ago
I'm a vegetarian, I don't eat or fantasize about chicken.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
i suppose its ok for animals to eat chickens then isn't it? Even if animals don't have "judgment" do you honestly think an animal species who has eaten meat for 1000's of years would suddenly start eating vegetarian it doesn't work that way. Sorry to say but there will never be animal liberation.
bmtimv 4 years ago
I'm not a vegetarian for animal lib reasons. I like the fact that we live 6 - 10 years longer than meat eaters.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
im not really sure where you get that information however our closest ancestors chimps have more energy from a carnivorous diet then a vegetable only diet.
bmtimv 4 years ago
BMtimv, our closest ancestors are irrelevant. I don't deny that we are omnivores. However *because* we are omnivores, it's easy being vegan. Just because we *can* eat animal products, doesn't mean we *must* do so. And with vegans winning ultra marathons, the issue of "energy" is really really mute. This is just one of several thousands of justification attempts for continued use of torture products, all of which have been refuted.
veganfemale 4 years ago
Your right i like eating meat so i choose to, it tastes good.. ever had a hamburger, yummy! It is also apart of my culture. However I will say its a fact that most weightlifters are meat eating, I'm sure there are vegans that are weightlifters but its expensive and difficult to replicate that protein rich diet.
bmtimv 4 years ago
You cannot wightlift on a vegan-diet. You'll build no muscle, and walking around on the street, you could faint suddenly!
Beamshipcaptain 4 years ago
i admitably am not an expert in weightlifting haha, however i know there are protein additives you can buy but at a premium.
bmtimv 4 years ago
"Sorry to say but there will never be animal liberation." ** Yeah I bet you're really sorry to say that. However I'm glad to say that animal liberation is right here, right now, as an effect of the millions of vegans and vegetarians world wide. It's not going to come in a big rush, but person by person, until it's the norm and then people like you will look like the perverts and losers you are.
veganfemale 4 years ago
Please be mature and don't call me names. You are completely missing my point we are omnivores and all though our ancestors are "irrelevant" it does not change the fact that many animals will eat meat regardless if all humans become vegetarian. I reserve my evolutionary right to be an omnivore.
bmtimv 4 years ago
bored..huh
andrew09211 4 years ago
It's a right if you pay taxes. Honestly, list the things you think taxes should be used for and tell me why things like health care and education should not be at the top of that list.
KingOfCarrotFIowers 4 years ago
If they aren't close to the top of that list you might want to start asking what the hell you are paying taxes for.
KingOfCarrotFIowers 4 years ago
hell yes! i bow down to you deadly i bow down to you
renkennumberone 4 years ago
dude... shutup!
dicknemdown 4 years ago
Dude, healthcare is a right,usa should look up to sweden dude...., sweden is a democratic country .
Usa aint,in usa the money mathers, not in sweden.
Drassus 4 years ago
yeah take a closer look at Sweden and Canada its not doing too well.
Questionssm 4 years ago
To tell you a thing, sweden are making great compared to usa, what the hell should money have with healthcare to doo?
Drassus 4 years ago
promote quality healthcare. As sad as it may sound it encourages doctors to provide high quality care to his customers.
bmtimv 4 years ago
LOL
'Douse Bag'
Mann.. I pissed myself.
AND GET YOUR SHIRT BACK ON YOUNG MAN!
xDaBeckstax 4 years ago
WTF is your problem? he acctualy has good points. You're just mad couse he's smarter then you douche
boastcoast 4 years ago
"A Right".. it's "ALL RIGHT" or "ALRIGHT" not A RIGHT. learn vocab and put a top on dammit
ethnikation 4 years ago
yea... i would listen to you if it wasnt for your shirt being off randomly.
Csconvict 4 years ago
Why the fuck is your shirt off?
littlebiggoliath 4 years ago
It was a hot day.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
Because he's got the chest you don't even dare to dream about:-)
veganfemale 4 years ago
Why the fuck is your shirt off?
asif7187 4 years ago
It was a hot day.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
The bigger issue higher is the profit-driven nature of the medical industry. The government should effect policies against pharmaceutical and health insurance companies that will make health care a more affordable commodity, rather than a right, (much like food). That way, the government can adequately cater for the underprivileged.
qontranami 4 years ago
Rights are never free? You have the right to an education but you pay for that. Slaves were kept in America but they had the right to live free and this had to be fought for. Rights are never free.
ticklemegangrene 4 years ago
Azriel. The money will come from cutting all Military spending. Do you know how much the US wastes on the military? Look at canada, the shittiest military in the world but is the most loved country in the world (americans wear our flags on their bags when travelling), has universal health care and some of the highest education standards on Earth (India, Pakistan and China have pretty good standards - incl. some of Europe like Bulgaria).
ticklemegangrene 4 years ago
Right! We spend BILLIONS a month on a war to SECURE THE OIL, instead of putting a small fration of that into ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, which would obviate our need to be there in the first place! "WAR ON TERROR" is just a smoke-screen, a prevarication. But he WONT, because the Bushes are an Oil-family, and they want to help their cronies, the oil, insurance, and pharmaceutical multinationals. There are no countries anymore, only corporations!
Beamshipcaptain 4 years ago
your handle says it all!
sk8bui 4 years ago
And my award winning Beamship (do a search) work speaks for itself. What happens when you study, work hard, and pay no attention to anti-intellectual naysayers! Peace.
Beamshipcaptain 4 years ago
Since the constitution/Bill of Rights is enforceable through the courts, bureaucracy, executive and legislative powers, the police...these are all rights that need money to exist...no right is free, so the premise of your argument is nonsensical. And you said PETA wrong. :)
uru86 4 years ago
So glad to see this after hearing life shrunk down into a political issue. The real question is, is it a basic right to expect someone else to work for the benefit of others, no. To me, that doesn't sound good or bad. It's just a fact. I feel like Im drowning in emotional outbursts based on fear. And PETA does participate in douchebaggery. They could achieve so much more if they just informed (and carried out some black ops) but this costume wearing condescending side does more damage than good.
moltanlavafalls 4 years ago
America offers great jobs and those who complain are idiots. I worked at UPS as a college kid, and had great insurance as a part time worker. Our system is great for those who work. And we help too much those who don't. Americans who complain are too lazy to move , join the military, get educated or do what it takes to make their life successful. Period. Life is good for those who try...
jefekiyo 4 years ago
Well, I would disagree. During the recession, my dad was laid off from a well known IT company. During the month in which he was unemployed and job hunting, I came down with life viral meningitis. The cost of the medical bills was almost overwhelming. Catastrophes happen to even the hardworking.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
Wow that is complete bullshit I don't mean to be judgemental but I'm guessing you don't come from a poor family in a poor neighborhood. I saw something from Bowling for Columbine. When Michael Moore talks about the Welfare to work program in Flint Michigan. People on welfare are forced to work. The poverty level in the area is like 80% or something like that. Think about this They don't have the money to move it's not that they are lazy. Jackass I can't believe you would say that.
chindemo07 4 years ago
you are wrong jackass and lazy. my family was poor, but because my dad saved 4 years of vacation, we moved out of the area. We didn't buy shit we waned and all of us kids did what it took to get ahead. People who are poor are indeed lazy if they do not get out of the area after a period of time. Period. Do not make excuses. look at the immigrants who make it without a single dollar to start. Yes, people make their own destiny.
jefekiyo 4 years ago
I would disagree with your thought that America is great for those who work. Those who don't work have it made. Either with welfare or being born into a wealthy family. Then work isn't necessary. There are lazy people who could have made their lives better than they are. But to say that all people who complain are idiots and lazy is just ignorant. And You need to have A LOT of MONEY to move. I'd say 75 percent of the population doesn't have enough money to move to a good neighborhood.
chindemo07 4 years ago
chindemo07, if you think being on welfare is anything close to "having it made" I'd guess you've never been on welfare. I haven't either but I know people who have and it is definitely not a good look.
NewRider 4 years ago
Right but I'm talking about people who choose to be on welfare or social security and don't want to work. They have life very easy. They don't have to do anything. THey don't want to do anything. So they have it the way they want it.
chindemo07 4 years ago
Wrong, I came from a very poor family on welfare, but my dad saved four years of vacation to get us out.We didnt spend our money on a TV or fast food,or shinny car rims, but after some time we made it. If you live in America, and you stay in your state, it is because your family chose to do so. Period. stop making excuses. But yes, I will agree that people are too long on the welfare program also.
jefekiyo 4 years ago
also, if you want to move, join the military. they offer good training, pay , college , language training and when you are done, you have the chance to move anywhere and not go back to your old shitty address. Hey, you can also move your extended family if that is what it take.
jefekiyo 4 years ago
I don't believe that stuff about the military for a second. What are you a military recruiter? But you might be right I just don't believe it. So you you blame everyone who lives in the same town their whole lives for not being able to leave their town. Pretty ridiculous. I know that my family wouldn't have enough money to move to a nice neighborhood. We have moved in the past though but it was because we were paying too much in taxes. That is just not a fair statement. Period.
chindemo07 4 years ago
Life is not good for ALL those who try. Period, thats a fact. Im not sure where you live, but it isn't that simple from what Ive experienced. To make a statement like that 'jefekiyo' is much to broad, I doubt you've seen and understood the lives of more that .01% of the population. I don't think you've experienced or understood enough life to make that statement.
radjabov44 4 years ago
Recycling should be overhauled. A percentage should go to American public health care. This will also spur public interest IN recycling. And that equals what.... Any more suggestions ???
thepiratescott 4 years ago
recycling is wasteful. It causes more energy (more pollution) to recycle most products then it does to just make new materials.
bmtimv 4 years ago
I think we should help those who can't help themselves get to a point to where they can help themselves.
Giving people things only makes them depend on that help.
Edustin 4 years ago
I'm from the UK and if you are sick, you go to your family Doctor, he then sends you for whatever treatment you need and it doesnot cost you a penny. If you want to pay, that option is also there. The cost is covered by taxes, which also pay for police, fire department, schools and government not to mention the armed forces. It might not be a perfect system but at least if you are rich or poor, there is still free healthcare.
buggarluggs 4 years ago
i agree with what you said about coercion. income redistribution amounts to stealing which is morally wrong. i think i disagree about socialized medicine being best. our current system is highly regulated already and maybe it would be good to look at how the current regulations are making it inefficient. like the AMA has monopoly control over who gets to practice medicine.
christocuz 4 years ago
you know you are trying to sound smart but guess what? your still the reason we have gangs in america
23MJFanz 4 years ago
u slack ass
Zuzzle1 4 years ago
I agree with wat ur saying, how can healthcare be a right wen u have to pay for it and other rights are free?
Zuzzle1 4 years ago
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ALL THAT TALK BUT THE guy IS
STILL A NIGGER IN THE END!
L0L PORCH MONKEY
Uragan 4 years ago
Hey Uragan, we're all niggers, as all humans on Earth today are offsprings of a relatively small group of humans in Africa. Pale niggery is a very recent genetic mutation of just 10,000 years ago - us pale Niggers survived better in Europe because our tape worm like skin produces Vitamin D from the pale Europe sun more quickly! So face your evolutionary truth and get into contact with your inner Nigger, Nigger:-)
veganfemale 4 years ago
Don't use that word. It is a term of pejorative-derision, of the slave-owners and the bigots who want to keep blacks DOWN.
Beamshipcaptain 4 years ago
niggers are keeping themselfs down. they are born with every right white ppl are in America. its not the white mans fault if the nigger does not want to get off his lazy ass and educate him self, let alone get a job. "WORKED UP THAT JOINT" does not mean u work there it means u robbed it. no slave owners are alive 2day in america or any ex slave so keep pushing a dead corpse it will do allot to help the niggers
Uragan 4 years ago
Wow, amazing how clueless some people are.
antidote7 3 years ago
wow evolution... so you saying blacks are subhuman?
Uragan 4 years ago
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No. Just YOU.
Beamshipcaptain 4 years ago
In addition, you are correct in establishing the ambiguity of health care being a "right". The US government's primary job is to protect the people, and when the people suffer from a lack of health care, the government should step in. HOWEVER, to provide such services to EVERYONE would cost so much money and is no longer considered pragmatic due to the characteristics of our evolved capitalistic society. So the whole issue of it being a right is very gray.
rjsbass 4 years ago
A socialized system of health care would obviously be ideal, where we don't have to pay for it, and if we did, we wouldn't have to pay much. However, unfortunately thats not the case. Any country with a universal health care system either has very high taxes, a relatively small population, or no wars to fight or domestic issues to settle. The US has none of that, so such a system would be hard to implement.
rjsbass 4 years ago
Thanks, well spoken. You might read the economist Milt Friedman (sp?). His fundamental idea is that we each spend our own money more carefully then someone else spending it on yet someone else.
wizgak 4 years ago
What about the fact that individuals as individuals will not ultimately have a say in it if the gvt. decides to set health care for everyone? That's setting up the majority over the individual because money will be coming from each individual unless that person chooses not to work and thereby pay taxes into universal health care (among other things). For most people no work means starving to death or becoming a homeless person living off charity.
shakanunu 4 years ago
So we each can't be are own selfish pigs, tragic. Look at things like the fire department; we don't have a direct say in it, but we do have a say in it through representative democracy. Individuals often don't even have a say as individuals over their local governments, so what makes you think individuals as individuals will have a say over a federal government. Lest we forget, our motto is E Pluribis Unum.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
(What I mean is that protecting individual rights is morally right, while sacrificing the individual for the good of the majority is morally wrong.)
shakanunu 4 years ago
I got that.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
Thanks for this video. You underscored a primary issue: individual rights vs. greatest good for the largest number of people. Understanding that is fundamental to this question. I think protecting individual rights is moral. Sacrificing the individual's rights for the good of a majority is wrong. I want to live! "Go not gently...".
shakanunu 4 years ago
I think it is a mistake to think that universal healthcare means the sacrifice of individual liberty.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
You have a well thought out post. I don't think that healthcare is a right. .....life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. To my knowledge it doesn't say right "to happiness" just the pursuit thereof. My point is the constitution doesn't give us the right to healthcare but the right to it if we want to pursue it.
JoshGoggans 4 years ago
The Constitution doesn't *give* us rights, it protect are rights.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
The right to life if you can pay to live. You guys need to see what health care means as a whole, and how it can be offset as a saving, not an expense.
JarradIRONEAGLE 4 years ago
Dude, you do not want the mysterious rash covering my right hand right now. You do not want my currant health care insurance to deny coverage because "it's not a life threatening illness".
amer1can 4 years ago
Why I feel your pain with your CURRENT health situation, an appeal to sympathy won't get you anywhere in logical discussion.
P.S. I agree with you.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
Azriel,
Have you by chance watched "America, From Freedom to Fascism"? Watch the whole thing and you will see where Im coming from.
BigRob829 4 years ago
I'll put that on my rather long list of media to consume.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
Well, BR, I instant viewed video on Netflix, and I don't understand where you are coming from. Did I ever say that healthcare had to be subsidized by income tax?
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
You never said that. But, The only logical form of paying for it would be thru payroll taxes. Thats the whole coercion aspect. With UHC or single payer system, you loose the right to pay for the private healthcare of your choice. Heres another aspect, with a system where everyone that wants (notice I didnt say needed) healthcare gets it on someone else dime, what do you think the potential for hypochondriacal abuse would be? I bet we have more hypochondriacs in the U.S. than Canada has ppl.
BigRob829 4 years ago
First, you simply have a lack of imagination. Second, you wouldn't lose the right to pay for private health care, look at the NHS for heavens sake. If that doesn't convince you, look at toll roads, private schools, etc. I don't think hypochondriacs are a major problem, and they would be better dealt with in a system that is much cheaper to operate than our current system, a socialized one.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
Have not seen it yet :(
J1Goro 4 years ago
we've spent over $600 billion on war funding since 9/11. when it comes to war the rich always seem to find a way to pay for it. i think healthcare is a right but does it really matter what i think, two-thirds of americans already support it. we are the most overworked people in the industrial world, it's about time we have some basic healthcare for everyone without the strings attached by greedy middleman insurance/pharma companies.
corporatized 4 years ago
Besides say that it is a right, or a fundamental right at least, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
one thing i take issue with, you said it can't be a right because it involves coercion. i don't think this is an argument against it, otherwise the right to live should not exist either because it cannot be protected without the threat of coercion. in fact, i don't think any society with some semblance of order would exist if you didn't have some level of coercion. it would be a Hobbesian world of every man for himself if you completely did away with it.
corporatized 4 years ago
I don't see how the right to life, nor freedom of speech , require coercion. Care to illuminate that for me?
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
i didn't say that, i said in order to maintain a social order where these rights are possible (right to free speech, right to live, etc) you need a system that relies on coercion (in one form or another) in order to enforce these social norms, otherwise people would have no incentive not to kill eachother or trample on eachothers 'rights' because there would be no consequences.
corporatized 4 years ago
consequences do not = coercion
(look them up in the dictionary)
shakanunu 4 years ago
Corporatize,
Nationalized health care is corecion because Im forced by the fullest extent of the law (IE: at gunpoint) to pay for someone else's healthcare when I dont want to.
The only coercion with the right to life is when you try to take anothers life away by murdering them when they dont want to be killed. Suicide is a prime example that the right to life isnt coerced.
BigRob829 4 years ago
you're forced to pay your taxes for other things too, in order to pay for roads, schools, hospitals, etc. it's called the social contract buddy, without it, there would be no such thing as society, just a bunch of individuals acting out of their own individual self-interest. you want to live in that world, move into the jungle.
corporatized 4 years ago
Of course you need coercion in a social contract. The question is, should we use it in regards to Universal National Healthcare?
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
Roads come out of gasoline tax,Schools come out of property tax,County hospitals get paid for also using property tax as well as payment for services.Free healthcare comes directly out of my paycheck.I can ride a bike as not to pay gas taxes,I can rent to not pay property taxes.Of course,I pay those taxes because I use the roads and send my kids to school.How much do you think your weekly payroll taxes are going to go up when you are forced to pay for healthcare even when your not using it?
BigRob829 4 years ago
You don't think you and your children use healthcare as well. You never know when you may find yourself out of control and at a loss for insurance
AzrielSivad 4 years ago
There is no social contract. In fact, the idea of a "social contract" is a contradiction of terms, since contracts must be entered into voluntarily to be considered valid.
nickcoons 4 years ago
Heres my main concern with regards to government run healthcare. I go into a Dr's office for the results of a yearly checkup and hear this. "Mr. Big_Rob, everything is fine with your checkup but your drug test came back positive for marijuana and since drugs are illegal within the United State we are obligated under law to report you to the local police department for drug use. Please wait for them to get here.
BigRob829 4 years ago
OK, so that doesn't mean that we should have universal healthcare; it means that we need end our "War on Drugs."
AzrielSivad 4 years ago