Sociopaths and narcissists like Jeffrey are incapable, from an ego stand point, of admitting their crimes. If he did admit his crime, it would shatter his delusional sense of himself as a brilliant doctor and pillar of society. He will never let the world know that he is no better than the other murderous felons who live with him in prison. He HAS to believe he is better than "those people." It's textbook, and truly disturbing. His "fans" need to get some clues.
A textbook sociopath. It amazes me how, no matter what, there will ALWAYS be people naive, unstable, or plain stupid enough to defend monstrous human beings. Even serial child killers on death row (who admitted to their crimes) have "supporters," particularly female and from Europe (many don't know or don't care to know the facts of the crimes). MacDonald is no exception.
It's sad, and selfish that people out there are so empty inside that they seek the approval of sociopathic murderers.
Words from Helena Stoeckley on the Ted Gunderson tape: we had a struggle with door..MacDonald said under oath: the doors where not locked... The list goes on and on
The hippies come in and BUTCHER HIS FAMILY LIKE ANIMALS CRUSH THEIR SKULLS TO THE POINT THE BONE IS EXPOSED BUT JUST HIT HIM THE MAN OF THE HOUSE HARD ENOUGH TO CAUSE A BUMP OR MINOR ABRASION COME ON NOW hes guilty sad but true
@gwyka in earlier comments you told me the blood on the esquire was too small to type. Now your saying that the blood was ab or a on the magazine .lol so which is it ?
@hereforever66 It's both. The amount of blood was too small to determine conclusively which type it was, but some determination could be made. My 2 statements on this blood are not mutually exclusive. Get it? It's the same with some of the other blood found in the home (e.g., tiny amount found in hallway).
I thought you didn't want to talk to me? I guess only when you think you're right.
@hereforever66 Considering that the blood smear on the Esquire magaazine was either type A or type AB, it it likely from either Colette (who had type A) or Kimberley (who had type AB blood).
But one thing that baffles me is -if he was attacked and stabbed on the couch by these hippies, how is it that the round table right next to the couch with a lamp and several other things on it stay untouched ? !
@hereforever66 The point about his bloody footprint exiting his daughter's bedroom is that the print was in his wife's blood, yet none of her blood was found in that room. It came from the bedspread that he used to carry his wife from his daughter's room to the master bedroom. His bloodprint came about because of his staging of the scene, not because he was trying to help anyone.
@karmalevel no not really just they lived there a year after it happen and people was scared to talk to each other. Before the murders happen people was more friendly to their each other. Example say hi when walking down the street. Like they said people was lost in their trust of others. My mom didn't feel save living there for 2 years.
I guarantee you Collette was screaming, "Why are YOU doing this to me." Liars take bits and pieces of the truth & intermingle it with lies. This story is a crock of shit. Rot in jail Jeffrey.
I saw the movie , read the book , and I have mixed feelings about this. part of me thinks he could have done it, and part of me thinks hes innocent. whats the deal with the long white wig hair they found in the house?
In McDonald's mind he believes that he did not slaughter his family-That was another man. Most men will not take responsibility for such an heinous crime but the fact of the matter is McDonald was tired of being the slave of his wife and 2 daughters. he was 26 years old, wanted out of the marriage but was too vain to end it because he was worried about his reputation and what people would think. He was a young man that wanted freedom to screw other women and live a bachelor lifestyle.
An evidentiary hearing on the Britt claim is currently scheduled for Nov. 28, but MacDonald has requested it be postponed until February so a new attorney can have time to prepare. He has also asked the court to appoint a new attorney for him, and has specified who he wants.
One of the unsettling aspects of this case is that if MacDonald had just come up with a more plausible explanation for why his pajama top was on top of Colette and filled with holes, he probably would have gotten away with it.
@karmalevel you seem fixated on all these television criminals. I bet you are some 300 lb sweat hog whose profile on "jdate" has got you no dates. LOL. Silly pig.
@karmalevel I'm not sure when/if his next hearing is scheduled but I know one is coming up. He recently won some sort of procedural hearing related to what evidence will be considered at his next hearing. Apparently, the government was trying to limit the scope of evidence b/c most of it has been heard before. In any event, it sounds like more of the same from Mac. He continues to claim that some magical piece of information will somehow wipe away the mountain of evidence against him.
@karmalevel I would be shocked if Mac ever gets out. He's exhausted just about every legal manuever possible and there aren't many options left. Helena and her supposed cohorts are long gone so there's no new direction to go there. The DNA tests did nothing to help Mac's story (just the opposite) and the parole board didn't show any indication they would ever be sympathetic to Mac's case. He'll continue to insist that he's optimistic about gaining his freedom but he knows the clock is ticking.
@karmalevel He's also one of only a few people still alive that were directly involved in the crime/case. His mother is dead and his sister died recently. Freddy and Mildred died in 1994. Colette's brother and his wife and Jeff's brother are the only real family members still around.
Jeffrey Macdonald is completely guilty. He is a sick person. I am appalled that he is still lying about being innocent. We all know you are guilty, Jeff. GIVE UP.
"Sky of blue (sky of blue) and sea of green (sea of green) in our yellow (in our yellow) club marine (submarine) AHA." Club that green beret, because, as we all know, acid is groovy, kill the pigs.
Joe McGinniss was penalized in court for the bewildering untruths that he told in his fictional "Fatal Vision." He admitted "ON THE STAND" that he made a bunch of shit up. No one has filed a defamation suit against Potter & Bost. The fact that MacDonald is still in prison is utterly baffling, to say the least. Hell, if only 15% of what these guys claim is true, then it simply wouldn't matter if the man slaughtered his family or not...He should be free. But I don't think that he did it...
@keithcozz Not true. He didn't make up anything. He gave his opinion as to why MacDonald did it. Overdose of diet pills. His opinion may or may not be true. The rest of the stuff in the book is dead on. Remember, Fatal Vision didn't convict Jeffrey MacDonald. Jurors did in less than 7 hours.
It is really cute when someone basically comes in in the middle of a conversation and tries like hell to sound like they know what the hell they are talking about.
It's cute...But pointless.
To quote Nicholson in "As Good as it Gets,"
"Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up, here."
@keithcozz I'm just saying. People like yourself act like Joe McGinniss is to blame for all of MacDonald's troubles. He's not. He just happened to write a book on his observations. The book came out several years AFTER MacDoanld was already convicted.
@Gwyka While there were untruths bouncing around that courtroom, I should have chosen my words more carefully. What I should have concentrated on was the ridiculous amounts of evidence that the jury that convicted MacDonald never got to see. MP's on the way to the Castle Drive apartment saw a hippie chick with "a floppy hat" standing on the sidewalk. Numerous people during that time-frame came into contact with the real killers. The Dunkin' Donuts manager remembers the group coming into his.
@keithcozz@keithcozz The jury heard the testimony of Kenneth Mica, the MP who saw the woman on the corner. The jury also heard the testimony of others who claimed to see the murderers near the scene - James Milne is an example. Some of them who did not testify at trial had contacted the defense or the defense was already aware of them, but the defense decided not to call them - Mabel Campbell. Still curious about the "bewildering untruths" contained in Fatal Vision, if you have any.
I can only theorize that Jeffrey MacDonald, being the young man that he was and a doctor on a major U.S. Army base, was overwhelmed by responsibilities as a husband and a father and just snapped and killed his family. Perhaps he married and had children too early and it was keeping him tied down.
I for one would like to believe that a medical man did not murder his wife and two daughters, but the facts and evidence suggest otherwise. He certainly betrayed the trust of my in-laws when he lied about how he and some army buddies tracked down and killed one of the assailants. From that moment on, he lost the trust of his in-laws and rightfully so.
No way anyone would have walked into that house and killed two babies, but left the big, strong man of the house alive. No father would have let the intruder anywhere near his family without being killed himself trying to protect them.
This case IS solved.This douchbag killed his kids allright, just look into the story and it becomes pretty clear.Your're going to DIE in prison Jeff!!!
This case just doesn't make sense. It just doesn't add up that a surgeon that attended Princeton would kill his wife and kids. It also does not make sense that the wife and kids were killed with such brutality but he survived with minor injuries. Also that several hippies could get onto a base without attracting a lot of attention doesn't sound right, Army bases are pretty secure. There is no motive on the doctors part. This case will never be solved.
I was at FCI Victorville with Dr. Macdonald in 2002-2003, and I got to know him very well, and there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that this man is innocent. Read the court minutes, read the transcripts, educate yourselves before you condemn, because this man did not kill anyone.
@The23herb I have read the court documentation and evidence associated with this case, have educated myself about this case. I agree with Peter Kearns statement in this video, that MacDonald is a psychopathic murderer and a con artist - he conned you.
@The23herb You honestly believe a teenage GIRL saying "Acid is groovy" & "Kill the pigs" came in and savagely SLAUGHTERED a woman and 2 tiny children, and MacDonald, a green beret, received MINOR superficial wounds? A green beret was DEFENSELESS - AND he was spared from being attacked while his family was slaughtered? Anyone who believes such a ridiculous story needs to explain why MacDonald didn't fight like HELL to protect his family! And why was his daughter screaming, "Daddy! Daddy! Daddy!"
@HNK222 When you consider that The23herb is a 40 year old man who plays with gummy bears, it's not surprising that he doesn't have the sense to think twice about what MacDonald claims happened.
None of his story adds up. If he was green beret soldier why is there no evidence of a fight? He should have been successful in killing an attacker or dead himself. Also why wasn't he demanding justice for whom he claimed really did it. Id be kicken ass and taken names if that happened to me. There is little to no evidence that someone else was in his house but tons of evidence linking him with the murder. I mean come on, a green berett being stopped by a pajama to and a couch, give me a break
Why would a hippie cult choose an army post, and attack a marine who is trained to kill and protect his country? And not bring a weapon. I am sure they would have said 'Let's rob this marine, but not bring any weapon, but hope there is a weapon on-site for our convienence should he put up a fight and not want to be robbed. And oh, let's not kill him but murder his non-threatening family'. Makes you wonder how hard he would have fought for his fellow marines if threatened by an enemy.
He doesn't stay to seek justice for his family. He makes no demand for justice for them, he is just concerned about his freedom and his rights being violated. Not his familys'. My brother was killed by an unknown driver. My family stopped at nothing to seek justice and catch the hit and run driver who took his life. 4 hippies whose intent was to kill and or rob would have armed themselves, especially when entering a marine's home where he is sure to have a firearm present and know how to use it.
He never hurt them but he cheated on his pregnant wife and got ticked when his little girl wet the bed. Well my goodness, let's all sympathize this poor man whose little girl wet his bed. This man who could have been forgiving of his child and soothe her mishap rather than club her to death. To ease the situation for his pregnant wife by dealing with it as a father and husband should. He showed no compassion nor any fatherly love for his child. He is contemptable.
@13skinsfan69 You are the one paying NO attention to any of the additional physical evidence that was NOT available during MacDonald's trial! There are pages of NEW evidence and documentation that has shown how the prosecution mishandled key crime-scene evidence, withheld potentially exculpatory material, and discounted confessions from many suspects. You are relying ONLY on the original evidence and completely excluding any NEW evidence that has come along decades after MacDonald's conviction!
@13skinsfan69 You are the one paying NO attention to any of the additional physical evidence that was NOT available during MacDonald's trial! There are pages of NEW evidence and documentation that has shown how the prosecution mishandled key crime-scene evidence, withheld potentially exculpatory material, and discounted confessions from many suspects. You are relying ONLY on the original evidence and completely excluding any NEW evidence that has come along decades after MacDonald's conviction!
You still did not answer my question 13skinsfan69 ... what evidence can you provide that suggests MacDonald as the real killer of his family? Once you do some actual research on the case, we can have a discussion. Good luck!
I have looked at the evidence for several years and I believe there is no way it happened the way the prosecution says it did. Macdonald recently won a court ruling so that the court must look at his evidence. One more step on the road to true Justice.
@DodgeFargo1 I have looked at the unbiased facts of this case. I believe he is guilty. The "authorities" - such as Brian Murtagh - also believe him guilty and thanks to people like him for their efforts to keep this horrible killer where he belongs.
@DodgeFargo1 He did it. If you take the time to look at all the evidence you will see that there is no way it could've happened the way he said it did.
I was at Ft. Bragg when his family was killed, living less than a block from them. The Army CID botched the investigation worse than the Keystone Kops could have done. I also knew Jerry Potter, author of "Fatal Justice" - the rebuttal to McGinniss' "Fatal Vision"; Potter got it right: the jury was not privy to information that would have freed Macdonald. He is innocent.
@Jazzycat47 Fatal Justice is a joke - claiming "bloody gloves" were withheld, and it turns out they were oven mitts and dishwashing gloves in the kitchen that the defense knew about. And the fact that hair "clutched" in Colette's hand turned out to be MacDonald's - another big "Government malfeasance!" claim made by Fatal Justice down the tubes.
Guilty and hopefully staying right where he is - rotting in prison.
@Jazzycat47 Talking to Gwyka is useless! I have given that moron so much evidence to refute Jeff MacDonald's guilt on the channel "Jeffrey MacDonald on Dick Cavett," however, he/she is evidentially too ignorant or SLOW to take the time to read any additional evidence and continue with the discussion. I have studied this case for years and also believe that Jeff is an innocent man. You are obviously arguing with a complete tool! I would suggest moving on and focusing on more important priorities!
@awesomeguy1979 If his story were true his top would've been torn to pieces and his arms and hands would've been slashed while hippes tried to stab him. The top had perfect round holes in it, that shows the top got those holes while it was stationary, proving he stabbed his wife while the top was over her. The holes in his top matched the ones on his wife body. That is just one of many many pieces of evidence. My parents knew Mac and no one wanted to think that he did it but he did.
@13skinsfan69 The torn pajama top was something that won the case for the prosecution! The movie clearly shows evidence of that too! However, what you cannot tell me is what motive MacDonald would have for killing his wife and children? If you did read all 800 pages of Fatal Vision you'll note that MacDonald and Colette were a very happy couple and there was never any evidence of abuse prior to the murders. MacDonald even went as far as giving Colette mouth to mouth breathing to save her life!
@13skinsfan69 I recommend the book Fatal Justice: Reinvestigating the Macdonald Murders by Jerry Allen Potter. A well-documented argument for the other side of the MacDonald case! An argument that the prosecution mishandled key crime-scene evidence, withheld potentially exculpatory material, and discounted confessions from other suspects. I have studied this case for years and I believe that MacDonald is innocent! The entire case was based on insufficient evidence and assumptions! Very sad!
@13skinsfan69 Please read my comments prior to this discussion. I am not convinced that MacDonald killed his wife and daughters. There is no evidence of any reason(s) for why Jeff would commit such a crime. He was a brilliant surgeon who loved his family and never had a personality disorder which has on occasion been seen in men who murder their families. There is no evidence that he was psychotic preceding, during or after the murders. I really hope someday he will finally be declared innocent!
@awesomeguy1979 the govt doesn't have to prove WHY he did it. they just had to prove that he DID do it and they did. they did and the jury convicted him in 6 hours cause they knew his story was total bs.
@13skinsfan69 It took you three days to come up with such exquisite knowledge! Let me tell you something smart guy, the court system can make mistakes! Steven Murray Truscott is a Canadian man who was sentenced to death in 1959, when he was a 14-year old student, for the murder of classmate Lynne Harper. His death sentence was commuted to life imprisonment, and he continued to maintain his innocence until 2007, when his conviction was declared a miscarriage of justice. He was declared innocent!
@awesomeguy1979 explain this. if you have a pajama top around your wrists, and you have "hippies" coming in yojur house in a home invasion, and they're stabbing at you, how in the world does the pajama top not get torn to pieces? how? also how is it that macdonald had no injuries to his hands or wrists? Also why where there no fibers on the floor where mac said the top was torn? yet fibers were found on and around all the victims when he said he wasn't wearing the top? please explain?
it's difficult to fathom a greater evil than a father killing his own children -- and with such brutality and violence. i can't help but feel grateful for my own parents who would do anything for my happiness and success.
jefferey killed his family. what aree the circumstances that lead to murder? a husband with sociapathic personality and a woman who shrewdly trapped him into marriage and later, though she realized he was cheating, was determined to retain her status as the wife of a doctor by continously becoming pregnant and insuring her future and his entrapment.. she never saw his getting fed up and resorting to such a heinous way to be rid of her and the children she continuously bogged him down with....
@VeronicaG61 How can you say that? How on earth can a medical officer be trapped by his wife becoming pregnant? Did she tie him up and rape him? If he didn't understand contraception, there is no way that he should have been working as a surgeon!
Jeffrey was a "Do the right thing" kind of guy. He had married Collete who he had known since High school because she was pregnant. Collete was a plain girl, actually a bit of a frump and by some accounts a dullard. Not like some of the exiting, beautiful woman he was encountering as a Doctor. Two kids later, Collete was fatter and pregnant again. In MacDonald's eyes his daughters were fat, frumpy little replicas of Collete. With the exception of family, everything else was perfect.
@IFlick Keep in mind that MacDonald was/is a psychopath. It would have mattered if Colette was a super model. At some point, MacDonald's needs for self-indulgence and violence would have surfaced.
@jksonny How are you qualified to make such a statement? Dr. Seymour Halleck M.D. (Professor of Psychiatry and Adjunct Professor of Law) has done many examinations on the behaviour and temperament of MacDonald. His own clinical experience as a psychiatrist and criminologist concludes that MacDonald does not have a mental illness or show any traits associated with violence. Where are you getting your information from genius? Go post your lies somewhere else! Jeffrey MacDonald is innocent!!
@awesomeguy1979 I'm qualified to make the statement because I've studied the complete record and the evidence points to only one person - MacDonald. Anyone who butchers their own family like that and spends so much effort conning people into buying his lies is clearly psychopathic. MacDonald is right where he belongs and he will never get out.
@jksonny Then I guess you would also conclude that Steven Truscott is a psychopath because he was commuted to life imprisonment for the murder of classmate Lynne Harper? He, like MacDonald, continued to maintain his innocence for decades, when finally his conviction was declared a miscarriage of justice. He was declared innocent! If you have studied this case for SO many years, you can certainly give me a reason for why MacDonald would commit such a crime? Let's start our discussion there!
@awesomeguy1979 I know little to nothing about the Truscott case so I can't really compare the two. A psychopath does not need a motive to kill. A psychopath kills because he/she is predisposed towards violence. Have you read MacDonald's testimony before the grand jury? Even ignoring all the physical evidence, I don't understand how anyone can read his testimony and not conclude he is guilty.
@jksonny You've got the Internet in front of you genius! Look up Steven Truscott and find out! Don't tell me that you cannot comment on his case because you are unaware of it. That is just another simple excuse to run away! You still have not answered my question about MacDonald having a reason to kill his wife and daughters; therefore, I'll pitch you another question ... What evidence do you have, if any, to suggest that MacDonald is the killer of his family? I don't think you know too much!
@IFlick Also, you sound pretty disgusting. It seems as if you are saying that his wife's physical appearance drove him to this, as if a wife's duty is to be attractive. Also, you call her a 'dullard', though you have no proof. Like this ugly, squirrelly looking piece of shit could do any better? I doubt he had hot women banging down his door.
@IFlick IFlick, you are wrong! macdonald iniitally liked Collete (who was in Mac's own words much prettier in person) because she worshipped the ground he walked on. she suddenly realized that he is a sociopath and very ruthless and she caught him molesting kim.
@stackleft Do you know for 100% sure if Jeffrey MacDonald did such a crime? It would be very sad if MacDonald or in your brilliant words, "sick fuck" got the death penalty if he really did nothing wrong. I've studied this case for a decade now and I am not convinced that Jeff killed his wife and daughters. You have evidentially convinced yourself that MacDonald was the killer; however, you haven't convinced me. Can you provide any real evidence that MacDonald was the real killer of his family?
No matter what one may think about his innocence, there's no way you can get by his pajama top. He claimed he was wearing it while being attacked, but there are no tears, as you would expect if he was being jabbed at and he was moving to avoid them. Instead, folded a certain way. the pajama top holes line up perfectly with his wife's puncture wounds. If he was wearing that top he would have been dead or at the very least, seriously wounded. He's guilty and he knows it.
@VanGoghsEar1890 Not only that but there was blood transfer impressions from his top and his wife's top that matched up on one of the bedsheets. So whoever wore his top carried his wife out Kristen's bedroom.
@NSAdisinformation Hey, I've researched her and discovered the following: Helena claimed that when the group arrived at the MacDonald apt, they talked to him for several minutes about getting them drugs - Macdonald has never said one word about that. She also claimed that she had sex with Macdonald a couple of weeks before the murders - he has never said a word about that either. She also claimed that Alan Mazzerole was involved - dude was in jail.
Ice pick to the lung relatively minor? If he didn't do it then he's living a nightmare! My mother in law is a pathological liar and if anything like this ever happened to me she would be the first one to tell the police that i once tried to get her to murder my wife or some wild craziness.I have even asked my wife to write me a letter saying that if anything ever happened to her that the police should disregard anything her mom would tell them. Off topic i know, but what if he didn't do it?
That may have been the precipitating event that night, but I bet he had been ruminating on these things all along. The prosecution admittedly only made a guess as to the the motive. Look at what he did after their deaths. He lead a bachelor life, dating a lot of ladies, and enjoying media attention. Did he get remarried to anyone else if family life suited him so well? No he didn't. He is a sociopath and felt his married life with kids was a prison wanted to be totally free.
@jrewert The jury convicted him of 2nd degree murder in the deaths of Colette and Kimberley, and 1st degree for Kristen, so the prosecution's "guess" was accepted by the jury.
Alimony and child support, that's why they died. Plus, he got married only after his wife got "accidentally" pregnant. He had affairs which she was probably aware of and got pregnant again to trap him more which he was resentful of. Furthermore, being a doctor has nothing to do with whether or not one is a sociopath. It only means one has no conscience. Many accomplished people have this trait. Plus, he wasn't a surgeon he was a flight surgeon which is a GP in the military.
@jrewert Actually, the prosecution theory is that MacDonald and Colette got into an agrument in the master bedroom, and he lost it, severely injuring Colette and also Kimberley.
Everyone obviously has different opinions on whether they think he commited the murder or not. The point is that no one will ever really know what happened. And he is already in prison so it doesn't really matter now. If he did do it, he is being properly punished for his crime. If he did not, well then, poor guy. Sucks for him if he's being put in prison for what is it 3 life sentences for something that he didn't even do. If that is the case, my heart goes out to him. If he did do it, then yay
He was young, and suddenly getting a lot of attention from the ladies that he didn't experience before he had MD after his name. He looked at the drudgery of marriage and being a parent as preventing him from having a more fun and free life. He probably felt his wife had trapped him. Child support for 3 kids and alimony would leave him broke. Since he has no conscience, killing them all would be the only logical answer. He felt he was smarter than everybody else. He is a typical sociopath.
@jrewert Oh I see. So Dr. MacDonalds form of divorce was to murder his whole family? That's absurd. That's insane. The reason he was so cold about describing what happened, was because he was a Dr. They see that kind of mayhem all the time. There is no logical argument that makes sense to explain why he would do it. None. I don't believe he did it. He had no violence in his past. None at all.
@spactick Actually my argument is perfectly logical. At least for a while, he lived the life he wanted which was to be a bon vivant and ladies man. If he was stuck with child support and alimony he'd have been broke and couldn't live that life. If he stayed married he'd be "stuck" in a life of boredom. Most sociopaths never commit murder. Becasue he never had been previously violent means nothing. It is a matter of motive and whether they feel they could get away with it.
@jrewert So MacDonald graduates from college.Goes to medical school. Becomes an acomplished surgeon in the military. Has a beautiful family and then on a whim decides to murder his wife and slaughter his children because it's going to inhibit his "social" life? That's utterly nuts. I mean come on, how many Dr's murder their families? All he had to do was get divorced. It makes no sense. Anyway, why would he murder his kids? One was only 2 years old. A 2 year old wouldn't be a witness.
A couple more things. The blond hair wasn't found in his daughter's hand, but in a brush. His pajama top folded a certain way lines up perfectly with all the stab marks on his wife. MacDonald, the most dangerous guy to get by is barely injured while the rest of his family is brutally beaten as if in a personal rage. Remember the Dick Cavett show? He was smiling like a Cheshire cat, making jokes, and not once mentioned how badly he felt about his family. He's a sociopath as big as Ted Bundy.
Whenever the epitome of evil is brought up Charles Manson is almost always the first to be mentioned, but MacDonald makes Manson look like a boy scout. If you set out to create a monster you couldn't have done better with the life and chances Manson was given. But this paramount narcissist MacDonald calmly and deliberately murdered, in cold blood, his youngest daughter to save his own ass. His ludicrous story always gets so cloudy when he's being attacked, but always so detailed any other time.
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lynnej1970 8 hours ago
Sociopaths and narcissists like Jeffrey are incapable, from an ego stand point, of admitting their crimes. If he did admit his crime, it would shatter his delusional sense of himself as a brilliant doctor and pillar of society. He will never let the world know that he is no better than the other murderous felons who live with him in prison. He HAS to believe he is better than "those people." It's textbook, and truly disturbing. His "fans" need to get some clues.
mlc2005 1 day ago
A textbook sociopath. It amazes me how, no matter what, there will ALWAYS be people naive, unstable, or plain stupid enough to defend monstrous human beings. Even serial child killers on death row (who admitted to their crimes) have "supporters," particularly female and from Europe (many don't know or don't care to know the facts of the crimes). MacDonald is no exception.
It's sad, and selfish that people out there are so empty inside that they seek the approval of sociopathic murderers.
mlc2005 1 day ago
Words from Helena Stoeckley on the Ted Gunderson tape: we had a struggle with door..MacDonald said under oath: the doors where not locked... The list goes on and on
Hoth1907 1 week ago
next time say 3 black-men...lol
lionel19651 1 week ago
hippies killing littl girls....yeah right.
lionel19651 1 week ago
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0oo00oo000ooo 3 weeks ago
No empathy from Jeff!!
karmalevel 3 weeks ago
The hippies come in and BUTCHER HIS FAMILY LIKE ANIMALS CRUSH THEIR SKULLS TO THE POINT THE BONE IS EXPOSED BUT JUST HIT HIM THE MAN OF THE HOUSE HARD ENOUGH TO CAUSE A BUMP OR MINOR ABRASION COME ON NOW hes guilty sad but true
jcraigb 1 month ago
If he did it,he is a heartless man,If he didnt do it, god help him ,to get out.
corral973 1 month ago
he is so evil
karmalevel 1 month ago
@gwyka in earlier comments you told me the blood on the esquire was too small to type. Now your saying that the blood was ab or a on the magazine .lol so which is it ?
hereforever66 1 month ago
@hereforever66 It's both. The amount of blood was too small to determine conclusively which type it was, but some determination could be made. My 2 statements on this blood are not mutually exclusive. Get it? It's the same with some of the other blood found in the home (e.g., tiny amount found in hallway).
I thought you didn't want to talk to me? I guess only when you think you're right.
Gwyka 1 month ago
Hey Pauly69s - the missing part 4 is there under the title 'Jeffrey MacDonald "kills" one of the "assailants" '
Saksm113 1 month ago
Thanks for the warning Pauly69s. Looking for that would have driven me nuts!
Saksm113 1 month ago
I wonder where the unidentified blood on the esquire magazine came from?
hereforever66 2 months ago
@hereforever66 Considering that the blood smear on the Esquire magaazine was either type A or type AB, it it likely from either Colette (who had type A) or Kimberley (who had type AB blood).
Gwyka 1 month ago
@gwyka Exactly. Like I said some parts of the story lead me to believe he is guilty, however, I think he can also be innocent.
hereforever66 2 months ago
But one thing that baffles me is -if he was attacked and stabbed on the couch by these hippies, how is it that the round table right next to the couch with a lamp and several other things on it stay untouched ? !
hereforever66 2 months ago
@hereforever66 How about because he wasn't attacked by any hippies?
Gwyka 2 months ago
@Gwyka there was so much blood in that house he was bound to step in it, he said he was running room to room trying to help his family
hereforever66 2 months ago
@hereforever66 The point about his bloody footprint exiting his daughter's bedroom is that the print was in his wife's blood, yet none of her blood was found in that room. It came from the bedspread that he used to carry his wife from his daughter's room to the master bedroom. His bloodprint came about because of his staging of the scene, not because he was trying to help anyone.
Gwyka 2 months ago
I was not prepared to see those innocent children murder pictures, poor babies : (
FromSomewhereElse 2 months ago
*Warning...there is no Part 4*
Pauly69s 2 months ago
my parents lived a apartment bulding down from them.
bonjovigirl2011 2 months ago
@bonjovigirl2011 any stories?
karmalevel 1 month ago
@karmalevel no not really just they lived there a year after it happen and people was scared to talk to each other. Before the murders happen people was more friendly to their each other. Example say hi when walking down the street. Like they said people was lost in their trust of others. My mom didn't feel save living there for 2 years.
bonjovigirl2011 1 month ago
@bonjovigirl2011 that is too sad
karmalevel 1 month ago
I guarantee you Collette was screaming, "Why are YOU doing this to me." Liars take bits and pieces of the truth & intermingle it with lies. This story is a crock of shit. Rot in jail Jeffrey.
melfaery 2 months ago 2
@melfaery amen!
karmalevel 2 months ago
No emotion!!!
karmalevel 2 months ago
did the childs rocking horse have a 22 inch synthetic hair tail?
RoddyGacha 2 months ago
and the fact that they completely destroyed the crime scene and ruined and lost evidence makes me lean toward him being innocent.
hereforever66 2 months ago
@hereforever66 Yet they somehow managed to not destroy evidence that he did it (e.g., his bloody footprint exiting his daughter's room).
Gwyka 2 months ago
I saw the movie , read the book , and I have mixed feelings about this. part of me thinks he could have done it, and part of me thinks hes innocent. whats the deal with the long white wig hair they found in the house?
hereforever66 2 months ago
In McDonald's mind he believes that he did not slaughter his family-That was another man. Most men will not take responsibility for such an heinous crime but the fact of the matter is McDonald was tired of being the slave of his wife and 2 daughters. he was 26 years old, wanted out of the marriage but was too vain to end it because he was worried about his reputation and what people would think. He was a young man that wanted freedom to screw other women and live a bachelor lifestyle.
creolelady182 3 months ago
An evidentiary hearing on the Britt claim is currently scheduled for Nov. 28, but MacDonald has requested it be postponed until February so a new attorney can have time to prepare. He has also asked the court to appoint a new attorney for him, and has specified who he wants.
Gwyka 3 months ago
@Gwyka hE WILL not get out!!!
karmalevel 1 month ago
One of the unsettling aspects of this case is that if MacDonald had just come up with a more plausible explanation for why his pajama top was on top of Colette and filled with holes, he probably would have gotten away with it.
jksonny 3 months ago
@jksonny hey JK is it true that Mac one a evidentiary hearing next month?
karmalevel 3 months ago
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@karmalevel you seem fixated on all these television criminals. I bet you are some 300 lb sweat hog whose profile on "jdate" has got you no dates. LOL. Silly pig.
BlameRepublicans 3 months ago
@karmalevel I'm not sure when/if his next hearing is scheduled but I know one is coming up. He recently won some sort of procedural hearing related to what evidence will be considered at his next hearing. Apparently, the government was trying to limit the scope of evidence b/c most of it has been heard before. In any event, it sounds like more of the same from Mac. He continues to claim that some magical piece of information will somehow wipe away the mountain of evidence against him.
jksonny 3 months ago
@jksonny yep. Please God do not let this person out
karmalevel 3 months ago
@karmalevel I would be shocked if Mac ever gets out. He's exhausted just about every legal manuever possible and there aren't many options left. Helena and her supposed cohorts are long gone so there's no new direction to go there. The DNA tests did nothing to help Mac's story (just the opposite) and the parole board didn't show any indication they would ever be sympathetic to Mac's case. He'll continue to insist that he's optimistic about gaining his freedom but he knows the clock is ticking.
jksonny 3 months ago
@jksonny yep the dude is 68!!!
karmalevel 3 months ago
@karmalevel He's also one of only a few people still alive that were directly involved in the crime/case. His mother is dead and his sister died recently. Freddy and Mildred died in 1994. Colette's brother and his wife and Jeff's brother are the only real family members still around.
jksonny 3 months ago
@jksonny I hope his brother shuns him!
karmalevel 3 months ago
That first pic of Kris and Kim, Kristy looks angelic
karmalevel 3 months ago
@karmalevel I agree.
jksonny 3 months ago
@jksonny Mac's sociopathy and his inability to understand human emotions he would have done this. He is an epic failure in all aspects of his life
karmalevel 2 months ago
Jeffrey Macdonald is completely guilty. He is a sick person. I am appalled that he is still lying about being innocent. We all know you are guilty, Jeff. GIVE UP.
charlybear98 3 months ago
He is so glib
karmalevel 3 months ago
"Sky of blue (sky of blue) and sea of green (sea of green) in our yellow (in our yellow) club marine (submarine) AHA." Club that green beret, because, as we all know, acid is groovy, kill the pigs.
JonBenait06 3 months ago
I truly think he may be innocent. There is certainly reasonable doubt. Check ALL the facts people.
jacojahoss 4 months ago
the pic of kimmy and kristy look angelic
karmalevel 4 months ago
Joe McGinniss was penalized in court for the bewildering untruths that he told in his fictional "Fatal Vision." He admitted "ON THE STAND" that he made a bunch of shit up. No one has filed a defamation suit against Potter & Bost. The fact that MacDonald is still in prison is utterly baffling, to say the least. Hell, if only 15% of what these guys claim is true, then it simply wouldn't matter if the man slaughtered his family or not...He should be free. But I don't think that he did it...
keithcozz 4 months ago
@keithcozz hi macdonald's wife
kfag101 4 months ago
@keithcozz Not true. He didn't make up anything. He gave his opinion as to why MacDonald did it. Overdose of diet pills. His opinion may or may not be true. The rest of the stuff in the book is dead on. Remember, Fatal Vision didn't convict Jeffrey MacDonald. Jurors did in less than 7 hours.
alexavwenz 4 months ago
It is really cute when someone basically comes in in the middle of a conversation and tries like hell to sound like they know what the hell they are talking about.
It's cute...But pointless.
To quote Nicholson in "As Good as it Gets,"
"Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up, here."
keithcozz 4 months ago
@keithcozz I'm just saying. People like yourself act like Joe McGinniss is to blame for all of MacDonald's troubles. He's not. He just happened to write a book on his observations. The book came out several years AFTER MacDoanld was already convicted.
alexavwenz 4 months ago 2
@keithcozz Can you provide a couple of examples of the "bewildering untruths" told my Joe M about MacDonald/this case?
Gwyka 3 months ago
@Gwyka While there were untruths bouncing around that courtroom, I should have chosen my words more carefully. What I should have concentrated on was the ridiculous amounts of evidence that the jury that convicted MacDonald never got to see. MP's on the way to the Castle Drive apartment saw a hippie chick with "a floppy hat" standing on the sidewalk. Numerous people during that time-frame came into contact with the real killers. The Dunkin' Donuts manager remembers the group coming into his.
keithcozz 3 months ago
@keithcozz @keithcozz The jury heard the testimony of Kenneth Mica, the MP who saw the woman on the corner. The jury also heard the testimony of others who claimed to see the murderers near the scene - James Milne is an example. Some of them who did not testify at trial had contacted the defense or the defense was already aware of them, but the defense decided not to call them - Mabel Campbell. Still curious about the "bewildering untruths" contained in Fatal Vision, if you have any.
Gwyka 3 months ago
If drug crazed hippies killed the family, then why were no drugs taken from the home? If they killed everyone else, why was he spared?
fatcatsathat 4 months ago
I can only theorize that Jeffrey MacDonald, being the young man that he was and a doctor on a major U.S. Army base, was overwhelmed by responsibilities as a husband and a father and just snapped and killed his family. Perhaps he married and had children too early and it was keeping him tied down.
fatcatsathat 4 months ago
I for one would like to believe that a medical man did not murder his wife and two daughters, but the facts and evidence suggest otherwise. He certainly betrayed the trust of my in-laws when he lied about how he and some army buddies tracked down and killed one of the assailants. From that moment on, he lost the trust of his in-laws and rightfully so.
fatcatsathat 4 months ago
He's a lying murderer who killed his own wife and little daughters.
AtheistSpanker 5 months ago
no one who experiences this kind of horrific event would be this detailed in their memory!
karmalevel 5 months ago
No way anyone would have walked into that house and killed two babies, but left the big, strong man of the house alive. No father would have let the intruder anywhere near his family without being killed himself trying to protect them.
lostindiancamp 5 months ago
None of this shit happened until people started doing drugs in the 1960s. Fucking Hippies.
mccarrpo 6 months ago
This case IS solved.This douchbag killed his kids allright, just look into the story and it becomes pretty clear.Your're going to DIE in prison Jeff!!!
clubhouseme 6 months ago 5
This case just doesn't make sense. It just doesn't add up that a surgeon that attended Princeton would kill his wife and kids. It also does not make sense that the wife and kids were killed with such brutality but he survived with minor injuries. Also that several hippies could get onto a base without attracting a lot of attention doesn't sound right, Army bases are pretty secure. There is no motive on the doctors part. This case will never be solved.
douglas787 7 months ago
@douglas787 Where did you ever get the idea that murders always make sense? Or that educated people never kill their own families?
zarasophia1 5 months ago
I was at FCI Victorville with Dr. Macdonald in 2002-2003, and I got to know him very well, and there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that this man is innocent. Read the court minutes, read the transcripts, educate yourselves before you condemn, because this man did not kill anyone.
The23herb 7 months ago
@The23herb I have read the court documentation and evidence associated with this case, have educated myself about this case. I agree with Peter Kearns statement in this video, that MacDonald is a psychopathic murderer and a con artist - he conned you.
Gwyka 7 months ago 2
@The23herb You honestly believe a teenage GIRL saying "Acid is groovy" & "Kill the pigs" came in and savagely SLAUGHTERED a woman and 2 tiny children, and MacDonald, a green beret, received MINOR superficial wounds? A green beret was DEFENSELESS - AND he was spared from being attacked while his family was slaughtered? Anyone who believes such a ridiculous story needs to explain why MacDonald didn't fight like HELL to protect his family! And why was his daughter screaming, "Daddy! Daddy! Daddy!"
HNK222 7 months ago 2
@HNK222 When you consider that The23herb is a 40 year old man who plays with gummy bears, it's not surprising that he doesn't have the sense to think twice about what MacDonald claims happened.
Gwyka 7 months ago
@Gwyka yes I clicked there also.... OMG that man is odd....... I do believe he would believe anything anyone said to him too
CateINherCAVE 6 months ago
@The23herb study sociopaths!
kfag101 6 months ago
ugh, i forgot poor colleen was pregnant as well. nice job scumbag. a pregnant woman and two babies didn't stand a chance.
melfaery 7 months ago
Thank you for uploading this story.
62aligirl 8 months ago
@62aligirl You're welcome! Sorry youtube deleted part 4.
jksonny 8 months ago
plain and simple he lived, why is that
SUNMAYDEN518 8 months ago
yea hes guilty
SUNMAYDEN518 8 months ago
None of his story adds up. If he was green beret soldier why is there no evidence of a fight? He should have been successful in killing an attacker or dead himself. Also why wasn't he demanding justice for whom he claimed really did it. Id be kicken ass and taken names if that happened to me. There is little to no evidence that someone else was in his house but tons of evidence linking him with the murder. I mean come on, a green berett being stopped by a pajama to and a couch, give me a break
scoutGOW 8 months ago 5
Yeah the stories don't make sense here. He's guilty more than likely
Boogyman4050 9 months ago
Why would a hippie cult choose an army post, and attack a marine who is trained to kill and protect his country? And not bring a weapon. I am sure they would have said 'Let's rob this marine, but not bring any weapon, but hope there is a weapon on-site for our convienence should he put up a fight and not want to be robbed. And oh, let's not kill him but murder his non-threatening family'. Makes you wonder how hard he would have fought for his fellow marines if threatened by an enemy.
countryhoney28 9 months ago
He doesn't stay to seek justice for his family. He makes no demand for justice for them, he is just concerned about his freedom and his rights being violated. Not his familys'. My brother was killed by an unknown driver. My family stopped at nothing to seek justice and catch the hit and run driver who took his life. 4 hippies whose intent was to kill and or rob would have armed themselves, especially when entering a marine's home where he is sure to have a firearm present and know how to use it.
countryhoney28 9 months ago
He never hurt them but he cheated on his pregnant wife and got ticked when his little girl wet the bed. Well my goodness, let's all sympathize this poor man whose little girl wet his bed. This man who could have been forgiving of his child and soothe her mishap rather than club her to death. To ease the situation for his pregnant wife by dealing with it as a father and husband should. He showed no compassion nor any fatherly love for his child. He is contemptable.
countryhoney28 9 months ago
How did he see he was stabbed with an "icepick" and a "paringknife" if he had the pyjamas draged over his head......????
anitahuseby 9 months ago
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@13skinsfan69 You are the one paying NO attention to any of the additional physical evidence that was NOT available during MacDonald's trial! There are pages of NEW evidence and documentation that has shown how the prosecution mishandled key crime-scene evidence, withheld potentially exculpatory material, and discounted confessions from many suspects. You are relying ONLY on the original evidence and completely excluding any NEW evidence that has come along decades after MacDonald's conviction!
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
@13skinsfan69 You are the one paying NO attention to any of the additional physical evidence that was NOT available during MacDonald's trial! There are pages of NEW evidence and documentation that has shown how the prosecution mishandled key crime-scene evidence, withheld potentially exculpatory material, and discounted confessions from many suspects. You are relying ONLY on the original evidence and completely excluding any NEW evidence that has come along decades after MacDonald's conviction!
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
You still did not answer my question 13skinsfan69 ... what evidence can you provide that suggests MacDonald as the real killer of his family? Once you do some actual research on the case, we can have a discussion. Good luck!
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
I have looked at the evidence for several years and I believe there is no way it happened the way the prosecution says it did. Macdonald recently won a court ruling so that the court must look at his evidence. One more step on the road to true Justice.
DodgeFargo1 9 months ago
Everyone should look at the unbiased facts of this case, not just one documentary.
I have been studying this case as well as many other cases for years and of the few cases where I know the person is innocent this is one of them.
Jeff Macdonald is innocent and the authorities do not want to admit that they have kept an innocent man in jail for such a long time.
Anyone can only tell part of the story to make someone look guilty. Its the things they don't tell you, that reveal the true story
DodgeFargo1 9 months ago
@DodgeFargo1 I have looked at the unbiased facts of this case. I believe he is guilty. The "authorities" - such as Brian Murtagh - also believe him guilty and thanks to people like him for their efforts to keep this horrible killer where he belongs.
Gwyka 9 months ago
Everyone should look at the unbiased facts of this case, not just one documentary.
I have been studying this case as well as many other cases for years and of the few cases where I know the person is innocent this is one of them.
Jeff Macdonald is innocent and the authorities do not want to admit that they have kept an innocent man in jail for such a long time.
Anyone can only tell part of the story to make someone look guilty. Its the things they don't tell you, that reveal the true story
DodgeFargo1 9 months ago
@DodgeFargo1 He did it. If you take the time to look at all the evidence you will see that there is no way it could've happened the way he said it did.
13skinsfan69 9 months ago
I was at Ft. Bragg when his family was killed, living less than a block from them. The Army CID botched the investigation worse than the Keystone Kops could have done. I also knew Jerry Potter, author of "Fatal Justice" - the rebuttal to McGinniss' "Fatal Vision"; Potter got it right: the jury was not privy to information that would have freed Macdonald. He is innocent.
Jazzycat47 9 months ago
@Jazzycat47 Fatal Justice is a joke - claiming "bloody gloves" were withheld, and it turns out they were oven mitts and dishwashing gloves in the kitchen that the defense knew about. And the fact that hair "clutched" in Colette's hand turned out to be MacDonald's - another big "Government malfeasance!" claim made by Fatal Justice down the tubes.
Guilty and hopefully staying right where he is - rotting in prison.
Gwyka 9 months ago
@Jazzycat47 Talking to Gwyka is useless! I have given that moron so much evidence to refute Jeff MacDonald's guilt on the channel "Jeffrey MacDonald on Dick Cavett," however, he/she is evidentially too ignorant or SLOW to take the time to read any additional evidence and continue with the discussion. I have studied this case for years and also believe that Jeff is an innocent man. You are obviously arguing with a complete tool! I would suggest moving on and focusing on more important priorities!
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
@awesomeguy1979 If his story were true his top would've been torn to pieces and his arms and hands would've been slashed while hippes tried to stab him. The top had perfect round holes in it, that shows the top got those holes while it was stationary, proving he stabbed his wife while the top was over her. The holes in his top matched the ones on his wife body. That is just one of many many pieces of evidence. My parents knew Mac and no one wanted to think that he did it but he did.
13skinsfan69 9 months ago
@13skinsfan69 The torn pajama top was something that won the case for the prosecution! The movie clearly shows evidence of that too! However, what you cannot tell me is what motive MacDonald would have for killing his wife and children? If you did read all 800 pages of Fatal Vision you'll note that MacDonald and Colette were a very happy couple and there was never any evidence of abuse prior to the murders. MacDonald even went as far as giving Colette mouth to mouth breathing to save her life!
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
@13skinsfan69 I recommend the book Fatal Justice: Reinvestigating the Macdonald Murders by Jerry Allen Potter. A well-documented argument for the other side of the MacDonald case! An argument that the prosecution mishandled key crime-scene evidence, withheld potentially exculpatory material, and discounted confessions from other suspects. I have studied this case for years and I believe that MacDonald is innocent! The entire case was based on insufficient evidence and assumptions! Very sad!
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
@13skinsfan69 Please read my comments prior to this discussion. I am not convinced that MacDonald killed his wife and daughters. There is no evidence of any reason(s) for why Jeff would commit such a crime. He was a brilliant surgeon who loved his family and never had a personality disorder which has on occasion been seen in men who murder their families. There is no evidence that he was psychotic preceding, during or after the murders. I really hope someday he will finally be declared innocent!
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
@awesomeguy1979 the govt doesn't have to prove WHY he did it. they just had to prove that he DID do it and they did. they did and the jury convicted him in 6 hours cause they knew his story was total bs.
13skinsfan69 9 months ago
@13skinsfan69 It took you three days to come up with such exquisite knowledge! Let me tell you something smart guy, the court system can make mistakes! Steven Murray Truscott is a Canadian man who was sentenced to death in 1959, when he was a 14-year old student, for the murder of classmate Lynne Harper. His death sentence was commuted to life imprisonment, and he continued to maintain his innocence until 2007, when his conviction was declared a miscarriage of justice. He was declared innocent!
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
@awesomeguy1979 explain this. if you have a pajama top around your wrists, and you have "hippies" coming in yojur house in a home invasion, and they're stabbing at you, how in the world does the pajama top not get torn to pieces? how? also how is it that macdonald had no injuries to his hands or wrists? Also why where there no fibers on the floor where mac said the top was torn? yet fibers were found on and around all the victims when he said he wasn't wearing the top? please explain?
13skinsfan69 9 months ago
Jeffrey Macdonald is innocent. This has been a 41yr. travesty of justice.
Jazzycat47 9 months ago
@Jazzycat47 The travesty is that he is still spewing his lies after 41 years and people are still falling for it.
Gwyka 9 months ago
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FOLLOW THE BLOOD TRAIL IT DOES NOT LIE HE BUTCHERED HIS OWN FAMILY NO DOUBT ABOUT IT....
DJWHEEL1 10 months ago
If my family was murdered, I'd be obsessed with finding the murderer(s). He never was.
jrewert 10 months ago 2
So...the three assailants targeted the sleeping MacDonald, left him alive with minor woulds, and left the murder weapons behind. BS.
SilentFox12345 10 months ago
has this guy ever heard of a divorce?
KillingJoke696 10 months ago 3
Bill Curtis=Beast
acenace24 11 months ago
he is so full of shit he is floating in it.
pamala397 11 months ago
it's difficult to fathom a greater evil than a father killing his own children -- and with such brutality and violence. i can't help but feel grateful for my own parents who would do anything for my happiness and success.
dancebaby808 1 year ago 3
jefferey killed his family. what aree the circumstances that lead to murder? a husband with sociapathic personality and a woman who shrewdly trapped him into marriage and later, though she realized he was cheating, was determined to retain her status as the wife of a doctor by continously becoming pregnant and insuring her future and his entrapment.. she never saw his getting fed up and resorting to such a heinous way to be rid of her and the children she continuously bogged him down with....
VeronicaG61 1 year ago
@VeronicaG61 How can you say that? How on earth can a medical officer be trapped by his wife becoming pregnant? Did she tie him up and rape him? If he didn't understand contraception, there is no way that he should have been working as a surgeon!
normalil 10 months ago
this man is a supreme sociopath! no human emotions
kfag101 1 year ago 2
wow he is so nachalent
kfag101 1 year ago
Jeffrey was a "Do the right thing" kind of guy. He had married Collete who he had known since High school because she was pregnant. Collete was a plain girl, actually a bit of a frump and by some accounts a dullard. Not like some of the exiting, beautiful woman he was encountering as a Doctor. Two kids later, Collete was fatter and pregnant again. In MacDonald's eyes his daughters were fat, frumpy little replicas of Collete. With the exception of family, everything else was perfect.
IFlick 1 year ago
@IFlick Keep in mind that MacDonald was/is a psychopath. It would have mattered if Colette was a super model. At some point, MacDonald's needs for self-indulgence and violence would have surfaced.
jksonny 1 year ago 4
@jksonny How are you qualified to make such a statement? Dr. Seymour Halleck M.D. (Professor of Psychiatry and Adjunct Professor of Law) has done many examinations on the behaviour and temperament of MacDonald. His own clinical experience as a psychiatrist and criminologist concludes that MacDonald does not have a mental illness or show any traits associated with violence. Where are you getting your information from genius? Go post your lies somewhere else! Jeffrey MacDonald is innocent!!
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
@awesomeguy1979 I'm qualified to make the statement because I've studied the complete record and the evidence points to only one person - MacDonald. Anyone who butchers their own family like that and spends so much effort conning people into buying his lies is clearly psychopathic. MacDonald is right where he belongs and he will never get out.
jksonny 9 months ago
@jksonny Then I guess you would also conclude that Steven Truscott is a psychopath because he was commuted to life imprisonment for the murder of classmate Lynne Harper? He, like MacDonald, continued to maintain his innocence for decades, when finally his conviction was declared a miscarriage of justice. He was declared innocent! If you have studied this case for SO many years, you can certainly give me a reason for why MacDonald would commit such a crime? Let's start our discussion there!
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
@awesomeguy1979 I know little to nothing about the Truscott case so I can't really compare the two. A psychopath does not need a motive to kill. A psychopath kills because he/she is predisposed towards violence. Have you read MacDonald's testimony before the grand jury? Even ignoring all the physical evidence, I don't understand how anyone can read his testimony and not conclude he is guilty.
jksonny 9 months ago
@jksonny You've got the Internet in front of you genius! Look up Steven Truscott and find out! Don't tell me that you cannot comment on his case because you are unaware of it. That is just another simple excuse to run away! You still have not answered my question about MacDonald having a reason to kill his wife and daughters; therefore, I'll pitch you another question ... What evidence do you have, if any, to suggest that MacDonald is the killer of his family? I don't think you know too much!
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
@awesomeguy1979 You're clearly more interested in throwing around insults than actually discussing the case.
jksonny 9 months ago
@IFlick With all due respect, no descriptions of Colette depict her as a "dullard".
Gwyka 1 year ago
@IFlick How can you possibly say he was a 'do the right thing kinda guy'? Would you say that murdering your child is the 'right thing' to do? No.
ShawnoftheDay 1 year ago
@IFlick Also, you sound pretty disgusting. It seems as if you are saying that his wife's physical appearance drove him to this, as if a wife's duty is to be attractive. Also, you call her a 'dullard', though you have no proof. Like this ugly, squirrelly looking piece of shit could do any better? I doubt he had hot women banging down his door.
ShawnoftheDay 1 year ago
@IFlick IFlick, you are wrong! macdonald iniitally liked Collete (who was in Mac's own words much prettier in person) because she worshipped the ground he walked on. she suddenly realized that he is a sociopath and very ruthless and she caught him molesting kim.
kfag101 1 year ago
Jeff sounds like a robot
kfag101 1 year ago
@IFlick I'm not arguing with you, but where did you get the information that Collette was a bit of a frump and a dullard?
stitchesful 11 months ago
this guy is soooo full of crap. you can tell he practiced his story.. and he doesnt shut up.. ugh
swlovesvegans 1 year ago
He probably remembered the child saying "daddy daddy daddy" whilst he was attacking her...lying bastard...
goggleboxy 1 year ago 2
This sick fuck should've gotten the chair. How the hell to you club and stab a 5 and 2 year old??
stackleft 1 year ago 19
@stackleft Do you know for 100% sure if Jeffrey MacDonald did such a crime? It would be very sad if MacDonald or in your brilliant words, "sick fuck" got the death penalty if he really did nothing wrong. I've studied this case for a decade now and I am not convinced that Jeff killed his wife and daughters. You have evidentially convinced yourself that MacDonald was the killer; however, you haven't convinced me. Can you provide any real evidence that MacDonald was the real killer of his family?
awesomeguy1979 9 months ago
thanks for the uploads!!! this is one of my all time favourite real crime show! Bill Kurtis rules. :)
Nawty2Hawty 1 year ago 11
@Nawty2Hawty Bill Curtis does rule, but he needs to start drinkin' so he sounds like that cat on City Confidential.
ummagumma00 7 months ago
No matter what one may think about his innocence, there's no way you can get by his pajama top. He claimed he was wearing it while being attacked, but there are no tears, as you would expect if he was being jabbed at and he was moving to avoid them. Instead, folded a certain way. the pajama top holes line up perfectly with his wife's puncture wounds. If he was wearing that top he would have been dead or at the very least, seriously wounded. He's guilty and he knows it.
VanGoghsEar1890 1 year ago
@VanGoghsEar1890 Not only that but there was blood transfer impressions from his top and his wife's top that matched up on one of the bedsheets. So whoever wore his top carried his wife out Kristen's bedroom.
13skinsfan69 1 year ago
Evil "man"
kfag101 1 year ago
eVERY SINGLE PIECE OF EVIDENCE LED TO HIS CONVICTION. NUMBER 1 THE BLOOD EVIDENCE. HE IS A BUTCHER. ROT IN HELL!!!!
DJWHEEL1 1 year ago
@NSAdisinformation Hey, I've researched her and discovered the following: Helena claimed that when the group arrived at the MacDonald apt, they talked to him for several minutes about getting them drugs - Macdonald has never said one word about that. She also claimed that she had sex with Macdonald a couple of weeks before the murders - he has never said a word about that either. She also claimed that Alan Mazzerole was involved - dude was in jail.
Gwyka 1 year ago
The word "pig" wrote in blood across the bed headboard is eirly like the manson murders.
blueridger28 1 year ago
@blueridger28 yeah which is what murder Mac copied
kfag101 1 year ago
Ice pick to the lung relatively minor? If he didn't do it then he's living a nightmare! My mother in law is a pathological liar and if anything like this ever happened to me she would be the first one to tell the police that i once tried to get her to murder my wife or some wild craziness.I have even asked my wife to write me a letter saying that if anything ever happened to her that the police should disregard anything her mom would tell them. Off topic i know, but what if he didn't do it?
monstermovieman 1 year ago
the fact that he was going to take the boxing trip to russia; knowing his wife could die giving birth shows his true feelings toward her.
savykevin 1 year ago
@savykevin yep
kfag101 1 year ago
That may have been the precipitating event that night, but I bet he had been ruminating on these things all along. The prosecution admittedly only made a guess as to the the motive. Look at what he did after their deaths. He lead a bachelor life, dating a lot of ladies, and enjoying media attention. Did he get remarried to anyone else if family life suited him so well? No he didn't. He is a sociopath and felt his married life with kids was a prison wanted to be totally free.
jrewert 1 year ago
@jrewert The jury convicted him of 2nd degree murder in the deaths of Colette and Kimberley, and 1st degree for Kristen, so the prosecution's "guess" was accepted by the jury.
Gwyka 1 year ago
Alimony and child support, that's why they died. Plus, he got married only after his wife got "accidentally" pregnant. He had affairs which she was probably aware of and got pregnant again to trap him more which he was resentful of. Furthermore, being a doctor has nothing to do with whether or not one is a sociopath. It only means one has no conscience. Many accomplished people have this trait. Plus, he wasn't a surgeon he was a flight surgeon which is a GP in the military.
jrewert 1 year ago
@jrewert Actually, the prosecution theory is that MacDonald and Colette got into an agrument in the master bedroom, and he lost it, severely injuring Colette and also Kimberley.
Gwyka 1 year ago
Everyone obviously has different opinions on whether they think he commited the murder or not. The point is that no one will ever really know what happened. And he is already in prison so it doesn't really matter now. If he did do it, he is being properly punished for his crime. If he did not, well then, poor guy. Sucks for him if he's being put in prison for what is it 3 life sentences for something that he didn't even do. If that is the case, my heart goes out to him. If he did do it, then yay
MrsAMCL 1 year ago
He was young, and suddenly getting a lot of attention from the ladies that he didn't experience before he had MD after his name. He looked at the drudgery of marriage and being a parent as preventing him from having a more fun and free life. He probably felt his wife had trapped him. Child support for 3 kids and alimony would leave him broke. Since he has no conscience, killing them all would be the only logical answer. He felt he was smarter than everybody else. He is a typical sociopath.
jrewert 1 year ago
@jrewert Oh I see. So Dr. MacDonalds form of divorce was to murder his whole family? That's absurd. That's insane. The reason he was so cold about describing what happened, was because he was a Dr. They see that kind of mayhem all the time. There is no logical argument that makes sense to explain why he would do it. None. I don't believe he did it. He had no violence in his past. None at all.
spactick 1 year ago
@spactick Actually my argument is perfectly logical. At least for a while, he lived the life he wanted which was to be a bon vivant and ladies man. If he was stuck with child support and alimony he'd have been broke and couldn't live that life. If he stayed married he'd be "stuck" in a life of boredom. Most sociopaths never commit murder. Becasue he never had been previously violent means nothing. It is a matter of motive and whether they feel they could get away with it.
jrewert 1 year ago
@jrewert So MacDonald graduates from college.Goes to medical school. Becomes an acomplished surgeon in the military. Has a beautiful family and then on a whim decides to murder his wife and slaughter his children because it's going to inhibit his "social" life? That's utterly nuts. I mean come on, how many Dr's murder their families? All he had to do was get divorced. It makes no sense. Anyway, why would he murder his kids? One was only 2 years old. A 2 year old wouldn't be a witness.
spactick 1 year ago
@spactick typical mac supporter
kfag101 1 year ago
A couple more things. The blond hair wasn't found in his daughter's hand, but in a brush. His pajama top folded a certain way lines up perfectly with all the stab marks on his wife. MacDonald, the most dangerous guy to get by is barely injured while the rest of his family is brutally beaten as if in a personal rage. Remember the Dick Cavett show? He was smiling like a Cheshire cat, making jokes, and not once mentioned how badly he felt about his family. He's a sociopath as big as Ted Bundy.
VanGoghsEar1890 1 year ago
@VanGoghsEar1890 worse than bundy. bundy did not kill his own kids
kfag101 1 year ago
Whenever the epitome of evil is brought up Charles Manson is almost always the first to be mentioned, but MacDonald makes Manson look like a boy scout. If you set out to create a monster you couldn't have done better with the life and chances Manson was given. But this paramount narcissist MacDonald calmly and deliberately murdered, in cold blood, his youngest daughter to save his own ass. His ludicrous story always gets so cloudy when he's being attacked, but always so detailed any other time.
VanGoghsEar1890 1 year ago
@VanGoghsEar1890 profound
kfag101 1 year ago
to the people who actually think he's innocent, i simply say "are you high?!" he's 100% guilty.
libraryloverman 1 year ago 3
@libraryloverman I am high and I think he is guilty as the devil
kfag101 1 year ago
jeff talks like a robot
kfag101 1 year ago
Innocent,he is innocent..The book Fatal Justice told the truth,to say the least!
LisaDawn1971 1 year ago 2
@LisaDawn1971 - Jeffrey MacDonald needs to be executed immediately. He deserves it.
will0505 1 year ago
@LisaDawn1971 i hope you are kidding
djf750 1 year ago
@LisaDawn1971 oh you poor deluded soul
kfag101 1 year ago
no emotion behind his words
kfag101 1 year ago