it was 5-1-87 and i remember it well. was sitting in a bar/restaurant in ocean isle beach, NC watching the race with friends cause we couldn't get tickets to it. was the most terrifying single moment i ever saw on a televised race. in 93 i had a chance to finally get to a spring talladega race and went to the spot along the wall where this happened. there's a tiny plaque there with remarks on it. allison was really close to going over the TOP of the fence, not thru it. unreal!
@Ralroost people don't understand how long it takes to get a 3,500 pound race car to stop. It's not like stopping a car on the highway. That's part of the challenge. Plus back in the 80s, you weren't required to slow down for the yellow flag until you passed the start finish line. The crash happened AT the start finish line, so they weren't slowing down all that much anyway or else they would lose positions. Now a days when the yellow is out you have to slow down immediately.
@Ralroost if you ever watch some of the big crashes in ARCA, there's a lot of rookies in that series. They take way too long to slow down even for stock cars lol.
@Ralroost well, you gotta think that the cars are designed to create tremendous amounts of downforce going forward. If you reverse that flow of air, you have the same machine creating an inverse, great amount of up-force.
bobby allison was the classic nascar racer, not like the spoiled brats of today, it was a shame his career ended with that crash at pocono, he was my favorite driver back in those days
This was back before the tires had "innerliners". Its also the reason tires have innerliners now. Now you blow a tire and from the outside it looks more or less normal, back then you blow one, you end up 5 rows up eating someones popcorn.
the good result will be that all motorsports facilities will be totally redesigned, keeping people at least 500 feet back from the track, and the stronger fencing required, perhaps even triple redundant fence (PIR in az has TWO catch fences.) The bad? 20+ people mowed down by a 185mph missile ripping through the crowd.
YOU are a moron they strengthened the catch fence and moved the people 25 feet back from the original seating not 500 feet ppl wouldent be able to watch the race
@braidengodfrey1 and this is why carl edwards car almost went through last year? Thats the 3rd time that a car has almost gone into the granstand. If,they built a TALLER granstand, and moved it back the distance I said, PLENTY of people would still be able to see. 25 feet isnt enough room for a car to decelerate from 185 mph genius. theres tv to see the race on, and if you think about it, the SPOTTERS ARE MORE THAN 500 FEET away and they see the whole damned track genius.
the good result will be that all motorsports facilities will be totally redesigned, keeping people at least 500 feet back from the track, and the stronger fencing required, perhaps even triple redundant fence (PIR in az has TWO catch fences.) The bad? 20+ people mowed down by a 185mph missile ripping through the crowd.
i hate to say it, but talladega will be nascars undoing as a sport. Eventually, that fence isnt going to work, and a car is going to end up ripping through the stands at 185 MPH and kill a bunch of people, which will spark a government inquest into the safety of motorsports facilities.
Still doesnt look as violent as carl edwards slamming into the fence at 190. He didnt get nearly as airborne as Edwards did either. No debris flew into the crowd either in this one. The only reason it looks worse is because of the size of the hole it left and the aftermath.
the day after this crash Nascar got a call ...........and was told that if they can't slow the cars down or make the fences safer then their sport would be shut down.....
The call came from the very top in Wash, DC...........
Nascar claimed it couldn't invest nor have the time to change the tracks so they came up with the plate.......
Poor Harold Kinder probably had to change his skivvies after that! I was in the infield on the backstretch at this race. We heard about it on the radio. Loooong beer break!
ya restricter plates kepp the speed of the cars down... Like on nascar o9 i was racing at daytona and sharing draft helps if you no how to keep it at that speed in the turns cause then yoll be at 201 mph... that happened to me once on the back strech. i couldnt even imagine what would of hapened if that car i was sharin the draft with went backwards it would of been wildley flipin
The restrictor plates may keep speeds in check, but the cars would continue to get airborne at the tracks where they are used. And now we've got the big, dangerous drafting packs and huge, multi-car wrecks as a result of the plates being in use. I remember Dale Earnhardt Sr. saying that he'd like to see a race with the plates off. I agree.
Id like to see a race without them, but it is not feasable. A crash at 230-240 will most certainly leave a driver a little more than sore, and the roof flaps they have are only effective around 200. Above 200, and you might as well not install them.
Heck, there were actually early restrictor plate races where they were not racing in one huge 43 car packs, heck, watch the 1990 Daytona 500, Earnhardt didnt need to draft with a car to pull away.
This is NOT the accident that "led NASCAR to mandate rescricter plates at ALL superspeedways" it was a compilation of many factors...and, Earnhart well, we know how Earnhart won most of his races....
It was 1987. I had heard that Allison ran over a beer can that had been tossed over the fence. If he had gone into the stands it would have easily killed one hundred people. I disagree with the comment "there would be no NASCAR if he went..." They still run the 24 Hours of Le Mans after a car went into an outdoor cafe and killed 80 people. They cleared the area behind the damaged fence and, soon enough, fans filled in the empty seats.
this is the crash that led NASCAR to mandate rescricter plates at ALL superspeedways (as of right now, there is only 2 in NASCAR's top 3 divisions. (talledega and daytona) how ever, the wheelen modifieds, seeing as they are open-wheel, they run at faster sppeeds on the short-tracks, they use plates at New Hampshire.
They went to a smaller carburetor for the remaining '87 superspeedway races, then put the plates on 'em in '88... And the second Talladega race in '87 was when they first closed up the passenger side window to keep air from rushing in the cockpit and lifting the car off the ground.
That crash was unreal, and imagine what could have happened if the fencing was not as strong as it was that day. I also wonder what went through Flagman Harold Kinder's mind as well when Aliison's car was in the air and about to hit the fence.
Not only Harold, but Doyle Ford as well. He was also in the stand behind Harold. They both stood their ground and did their jobs. Things happen very quickly in the stand, and there's little time to think, you just react to what you're seeing. I'm almost positive that's what they both did.
Was this the race where the entire field qualified at over 200 mph?
AEMoreira81 3 months ago
I did the same thing to my girlfriend lol
ohbobsaget22 3 months ago
wow this looks just like carl edwards crash . thats crazy
lpRES97 6 months ago
did Bobby die
randumbvids11 6 months ago
@randumbvids11 No
conrail19900 6 months ago
Would have been a lot worse if there was another car flying into that same spot right after Bobby hit it. thank God that didn't happen!!
TheCosmicStarmen 8 months ago
it was 5-1-87 and i remember it well. was sitting in a bar/restaurant in ocean isle beach, NC watching the race with friends cause we couldn't get tickets to it. was the most terrifying single moment i ever saw on a televised race. in 93 i had a chance to finally get to a spring talladega race and went to the spot along the wall where this happened. there's a tiny plaque there with remarks on it. allison was really close to going over the TOP of the fence, not thru it. unreal!
midatlanticcycle 10 months ago
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My PENIS was stuck in that fence. That was a close call. I almost lost my manhood.
waterfordjim 11 months ago
harold kinder never flinched thatc ar was 40 feet from hitting flag stand i was sitting in the stand in turn 4 just before wher the wreck was
QuikdrawlMcgraw 11 months ago
I miss the old days of Winston Cup Series Dale Earnhardt, Davey Allison, Bill Elliot
and etc Just not the same now!!
SweetJen2009 1 year ago
Howcome everytime a car spins out the drivers behind seem to drive right into it? do these cars not have brakes?
Ralroost 1 year ago
@Ralroost you do realise they are going over 200mph. its not that easy to stop one.
TownerE 1 year ago
@Ralroost people don't understand how long it takes to get a 3,500 pound race car to stop. It's not like stopping a car on the highway. That's part of the challenge. Plus back in the 80s, you weren't required to slow down for the yellow flag until you passed the start finish line. The crash happened AT the start finish line, so they weren't slowing down all that much anyway or else they would lose positions. Now a days when the yellow is out you have to slow down immediately.
erasetoimprove 5 months ago
@erasetoimprove I guess it seems weird to me because I am more a formula 1 fan, where the cars are super light in comparison
Ralroost 5 months ago
@Ralroost if you ever watch some of the big crashes in ARCA, there's a lot of rookies in that series. They take way too long to slow down even for stock cars lol.
erasetoimprove 5 months ago
@Ralroost well, you gotta think that the cars are designed to create tremendous amounts of downforce going forward. If you reverse that flow of air, you have the same machine creating an inverse, great amount of up-force.
Sockpuppetx 5 months ago
10 drivers spun out pretty much intentionally to avoid a driver's side smack!
Brian211978 1 year ago
davey was my favorite. bama boys. i live bout 5 minutes from the racetrack. allsion country here. i miss the hell out of em
natertater323 1 year ago 2
@natertater323
That's true... NASCAR hasn't been anywhere near as fun without the Alabama Gang...
BSNFabricating 1 year ago
thats what caused the tire failure
natertater323 1 year ago
really wasnt a tire failure . the harmonic balancer came off and went under the car and blew the tire
natertater323 1 year ago
I'm a huge tony fan, and if that was tony stewart, you know he'd be bitching about goodyear tires. lol
Kris7717 1 year ago
Damn, its never the scary looking crashes that get em.
snappy452 1 year ago
i think the flag man pissed and shit him self thats probably why they stoped the race
wcwfan33412 1 year ago
@wcwfan33412 lol bathroom break?
MRSYCOSQUIRREL69 1 year ago
bobby allison was the classic nascar racer, not like the spoiled brats of today, it was a shame his career ended with that crash at pocono, he was my favorite driver back in those days
looneyleprachaun 1 year ago
fans where probably drunk and never knew what happened.
Jelsick 1 year ago
i think before the 2009 aarons 499 carl edwards saw this and said I WANNA DO THIS >=D
rockmoon26 1 year ago
this is why restrictor plates are in place. When a car gets into the stands we could see a ban on racing. It has happened before.
babyshambles4life 1 year ago
dale sr. was right behind bobby when this happened
0603000334 1 year ago
"oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit OH SHHHHHHHHHHIT....OH GOD..OH GOD...WHERE THE FUCK DID I PUT THE RED FLAG" said the flag man
immortalclaws 1 year ago
the one thing i did notice that dale earnhardt almost hit him and bobby was hanging on for dear life
sir945 1 year ago
you now ibet bobby was thinking oh hell bobby you better hang oh because this is going to be something you will not forget
sir945 1 year ago
This was back before the tires had "innerliners". Its also the reason tires have innerliners now. Now you blow a tire and from the outside it looks more or less normal, back then you blow one, you end up 5 rows up eating someones popcorn.
Zoomer30 1 year ago
Did he have Firestone tires? :-)
tweeber69 1 year ago
that is why when you go to a race you are not allowed to go near the fence
sir945 1 year ago
HOLY S***!
gronning1964 1 year ago
the good result will be that all motorsports facilities will be totally redesigned, keeping people at least 500 feet back from the track, and the stronger fencing required, perhaps even triple redundant fence (PIR in az has TWO catch fences.) The bad? 20+ people mowed down by a 185mph missile ripping through the crowd.
smackythefrog23 1 year ago
@smackythefrog23
YOU are a moron they strengthened the catch fence and moved the people 25 feet back from the original seating not 500 feet ppl wouldent be able to watch the race
braidengodfrey1 1 year ago
@braidengodfrey1 and this is why carl edwards car almost went through last year? Thats the 3rd time that a car has almost gone into the granstand. If,they built a TALLER granstand, and moved it back the distance I said, PLENTY of people would still be able to see. 25 feet isnt enough room for a car to decelerate from 185 mph genius. theres tv to see the race on, and if you think about it, the SPOTTERS ARE MORE THAN 500 FEET away and they see the whole damned track genius.
smackythefrog23 1 year ago
@smackythefrog23 yup Allison, Petty, Edwards
gobackto82 1 year ago
@braidengodfrey1 i said thats what SHOULD be done.
smackythefrog23 1 year ago
the good result will be that all motorsports facilities will be totally redesigned, keeping people at least 500 feet back from the track, and the stronger fencing required, perhaps even triple redundant fence (PIR in az has TWO catch fences.) The bad? 20+ people mowed down by a 185mph missile ripping through the crowd.
smackythefrog23 1 year ago
i hate to say it, but talladega will be nascars undoing as a sport. Eventually, that fence isnt going to work, and a car is going to end up ripping through the stands at 185 MPH and kill a bunch of people, which will spark a government inquest into the safety of motorsports facilities.
smackythefrog23 1 year ago
Ironically Davey Allision won that race...his first career Cup win.
don312000 2 years ago 3
fearbeforefearbefore, if he would have went into the crowd, that would have made Le Mans '55 look like a spin.
talladegajunkie1439 2 years ago
I bet you the flagman shit his pants lol
10TC55 2 years ago 56
@10TC55 I seriously lol'd
ChromaticSam 1 year ago
i was watching this race. it was horrible. the race was on hold for over 2 hours or so, so they could clean up the track.
tranurse 2 years ago
Still doesnt look as violent as carl edwards slamming into the fence at 190. He didnt get nearly as airborne as Edwards did either. No debris flew into the crowd either in this one. The only reason it looks worse is because of the size of the hole it left and the aftermath.
Blamed1 2 years ago
God damn. That could have rivaled Le Mans '55.
fearbeforefearbefore 2 years ago 3
Damn, that one lell of an opening in the fence!
ms80kyle 2 years ago 3
A little story for some of you.........
the day after this crash Nascar got a call ...........and was told that if they can't slow the cars down or make the fences safer then their sport would be shut down.....
The call came from the very top in Wash, DC...........
Nascar claimed it couldn't invest nor have the time to change the tracks so they came up with the plate.......
jacopman 2 years ago 4
I'll bet Harold Kinder about shit himself!!!
ShyteKreek46 2 years ago 2
I'm sure somebody said this already but that's the reason why they have restrictor plates.
Poncho4NCVox 2 years ago 2
carl edwards tried to do the same thing
jeffg24LT21 2 years ago 39
Poor Harold Kinder probably had to change his skivvies after that! I was in the infield on the backstretch at this race. We heard about it on the radio. Loooong beer break!
rockinredneck57 2 years ago 2
my dad worked at talladega for 18 years as a safety worker and that was my dad's first race, he said that he got a welding lesson. lol
fcfdrumer 2 years ago 3
Thats why they have restrictor plates that sucks man
1fiddy3 2 years ago
ya restricter plates kepp the speed of the cars down... Like on nascar o9 i was racing at daytona and sharing draft helps if you no how to keep it at that speed in the turns cause then yoll be at 201 mph... that happened to me once on the back strech. i couldnt even imagine what would of hapened if that car i was sharin the draft with went backwards it would of been wildley flipin
wcwfan33412 2 years ago
The restrictor plates may keep speeds in check, but the cars would continue to get airborne at the tracks where they are used. And now we've got the big, dangerous drafting packs and huge, multi-car wrecks as a result of the plates being in use. I remember Dale Earnhardt Sr. saying that he'd like to see a race with the plates off. I agree.
playingbass45 2 years ago 2
Id like to see a race without them, but it is not feasable. A crash at 230-240 will most certainly leave a driver a little more than sore, and the roof flaps they have are only effective around 200. Above 200, and you might as well not install them.
Heck, there were actually early restrictor plate races where they were not racing in one huge 43 car packs, heck, watch the 1990 Daytona 500, Earnhardt didnt need to draft with a car to pull away.
Im sure there is a way, NASCAR has to find it.
PYLrulz1984 2 years ago 2
@PYLrulz1984
Sure there is.
It's called a '69 Dodge Daytona,right?
That's where they dropped the ball.
They should pick up where they left off.
While,they're at it,
Mopar could get back on the program with the Turbines.
O,well...
DREAM BIG!
{^,^}
jetpoweredgriffin 1 year ago
1987, What a Year!
hightech62 2 years ago
it happened again...This time with edwards.
K4driver2 2 years ago 2
Yeah, but they'd reinforced the fence before Edwards hit it.
soulcornflake1 2 years ago
I would hate to be in the crowd right there Holy crap
Jimmy51916 2 years ago 2
i wish i was in the crowd right there! then and when carl edwards did it. that might wanna just leave that section unseated haha
gigi92517 2 years ago
imagine if tony was racing then or if he was in bobby's position. just imagine how he would describe is feelings for good year. lol
dal3fan88 2 years ago 2
Stewart would probably call Goodyear's CEO "the anti-Christ".
AaronApolloCamp 2 years ago 2
lol yeah he would explode on them.
dal3fan88 2 years ago
I thought Allison ran over a beer can...
WW2obsession 2 years ago
ONly if he chucked it out the window himself. heh, totally possible.
Polybun 2 years ago
loooool
JJMetalMad999 2 years ago
Actually, Allison ran over some debris that came off the engine compartment on his car when the engine blew. That's why the tire blew.
playingbass45 2 years ago
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Jimmy51916 2 years ago
Aaron, that is an understatement X-D
PYLrulz1984 2 years ago 2
how did earnhardt win races
tylerebill 3 years ago
Thank goodness now for roof flaps to keep them from flying like that as much!!
bigorange2082 3 years ago
This is NOT the accident that "led NASCAR to mandate rescricter plates at ALL superspeedways" it was a compilation of many factors...and, Earnhart well, we know how Earnhart won most of his races....
Do your research please....
jobuslimen 3 years ago
@jobuslimen
He was the best.
That's how!
Peace,
-g
jetpoweredgriffin 1 year ago
It was 1987. I had heard that Allison ran over a beer can that had been tossed over the fence. If he had gone into the stands it would have easily killed one hundred people. I disagree with the comment "there would be no NASCAR if he went..." They still run the 24 Hours of Le Mans after a car went into an outdoor cafe and killed 80 people. They cleared the area behind the damaged fence and, soon enough, fans filled in the empty seats.
wrosstx 3 years ago
from what year is this video?
juhazz 3 years ago
@juhazz 1987 Talladega 500...spring race if I remember correctly.
don312000 1 year ago
good thing earnhardts a great driver, or it looked like he coulda been up there in the stands w/ allison
ChevyGuysWearBowties 3 years ago
No doubt. There woul be no NASCAR if Allisons car went into the crowd.
stretson 3 years ago
You obviously know nothing about NASCAR fans. And likely not much about racing fans in general. Go trolling somewhere else, please.
SlyHobbit 3 years ago
@stretson
The lawyers would have had a field day,that's for sure.
They weren't so rabid back in 1955 in France.
LeMans was different.
jetpoweredgriffin 1 year ago
say goodbye to nascar if allison ends up in the crowd that day.
alouistheman 3 years ago
this is the crash that led NASCAR to mandate rescricter plates at ALL superspeedways (as of right now, there is only 2 in NASCAR's top 3 divisions. (talledega and daytona) how ever, the wheelen modifieds, seeing as they are open-wheel, they run at faster sppeeds on the short-tracks, they use plates at New Hampshire.
Rcrby525 3 years ago
the cup cars also ran the plate at new hampshire after erwin and petty were killed there
stewarthass14 3 years ago
They went to a smaller carburetor for the remaining '87 superspeedway races, then put the plates on 'em in '88... And the second Talladega race in '87 was when they first closed up the passenger side window to keep air from rushing in the cockpit and lifting the car off the ground.
BSNFabricating 3 years ago
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50-55 years old pilot's...american crazy,granfather must stay at home!
sardosfish 3 years ago
@sardosfish
Burt Munro once qualified at Bonneville 200MPH on a 1920 Indian...
at 68 years old.
The bike was over 40.
The bike was never supposed to exceed 55mph.
Old New Zealand Grandfather?
You should respect age,anyway.
Personally,I hope I'm still going strong when it my time comes.
jetpoweredgriffin 1 year ago
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well guss what ITS REAL IDIOT
Daytona5001979 3 years ago
That crash was unreal, and imagine what could have happened if the fencing was not as strong as it was that day. I also wonder what went through Flagman Harold Kinder's mind as well when Aliison's car was in the air and about to hit the fence.
cfoster81 4 years ago 6
Not only Harold, but Doyle Ford as well. He was also in the stand behind Harold. They both stood their ground and did their jobs. Things happen very quickly in the stand, and there's little time to think, you just react to what you're seeing. I'm almost positive that's what they both did.
ljostarter 3 years ago 2
i heard someone lost an eye during tis crash
legonascar88fan 4 years ago
Yes, a woman was injured from flying debris and end losing her vision in one eye. It could have been worst if that car went in the stands.
DC322 4 years ago
You've gotta wonder what was going through the flagman's mind while a car was flying at him lol
F1V1 4 years ago
and thats why we put on restrictor plates
sixflags48 4 years ago 3