Ah the Euphemisms service us well as history has proven. Verbal Reengineering worked on Slavery, Indians, Jews & now the most innocent & marginalized of them all, a baby in the womb.Its funny how we say "never again" then we do it again Different Rhetoric, different demographic, same outcome JPII was right we do live in a Culture of Death. You don't have to be religious to see it. Just use reason
My big problem with abortion is this...amongst the welfare dependent underclass it is not mandatory to have one. If we could get them to stop breeding altogether we would see our crime rate plummet and the amount of tax the government takes from us to support single mothers would be virtually eliminated.Then productive self supporting citizens could spend more on making our time off work more pleasent and the extra money we would spend on leisure would boost the economy.
@hmwm67 Hmm. So ur suggesting we should just kill all the people that need the most help in society so we can spend more money on leisure and therefore help the economy?
This comment is so depressing. The slippery slope we're on has completely malformed the consciences of our culture to the point that we say things like this & try to justify the gravest of evil for the sake of "leisure" & our economy. It's the definition of selfish and completely misses the point of the life we've been given.
@MatthewWarner We dont live in a perfect world. Banning abortion would hugely increase the number of single mothers and their offspring would would leach the rest of society by claiming welfare payouts.If you dont like abortion then direct your talents and resources into educating as many deprived teenagers as possible about safe sex methods. This would reduce the number of unwanted pregancies and thus abortion levels would fall. Prevention is better than cure
Peace in the World. Iraq, Afghanistan aren’t the most dangerous places in the world, a mother’s womb is. There will never be peace anywhere else until unborn life is protected & cherished once again; with out it there is no foundation for the rest of the world.
Just like how marijuana is completely, 100% illegal to buy and sell, here in California. Getting caught buying or selling will lead to expensive fines and potential jail-time. No wait... Wait... There's an exception... With the proper license, you can legally buy and sell a restricted amount of marijuana... It would be totally legal! Well, thanks to that one exception, buying and selling all marijuana is totally, 100% LEGAL!!! Hazaah for the one, individual exception!!! =D
I'm not sure whether or not the intent, of this erroneous video, was purposely fallacious, or just extraordinarily ignorant... "A few minutes younger?" Absolutely not, sir, that's completely illegal. 88% of abortions are had early in the first trimester. Any abortion during the 3rd trimester is illegal. Partial birth's can, POTENTIALLY, be legal, but are extremely rare. Less than 10% abortions are done in the late 2nd trimester and up. Pro-life is perfectly fine, pro-ignorance is not.
@TheLegendOfRandy First you say "absolutely not" & "completely illegal" about late-term abortions. Then in the very next sentence you say late-term abortions "can potentially be legal." So you tell me who is ignorant here? Also, you should read the text under the video.
And u should seriously check ur facts. 88% of abortion in "early" first trimester? Uhm, no. Most women don't even know they're pregnant until mid-1st trimester...well after "early" and after the baby has a heartbeat/organs.
@MatthewWarner Indeed, late-term abortions are illegal. I'm responding, particularly, to the video itself. Based on the info you provide, "5 minutes earlier" is bogus and untrue. Of course, if the woman is in danger of losing her life, the law can make that exception for her. Not forcing a women to put her life in jeopardy doesn't make it any less illegal. Not a contradiction. Your right, I should have said "88% of abortions are done in the 1st trimester" and not said "early."
@TheLegendOfRandy It's neither bogus, nor untrue. The baby is a newborn. Newborns, minutes before they are born, are still inside of the womb. Where they can be LEGALLY killed under loose, non-precise & abused exceptions. U r making semantic nonsense. If there's an exception to something being illegal, that means it is LEGAL. And these exceptions for the "health of the mother" (not just her "life") can & are abused bc they're given if they at all impact her health psychologically,physically, etc
@MatthewWarner lol Well you've answered my comment about "extraordinary ignorance..." No, your right and I'm wrong. The very rare, circumstantial exception to Late-term abortions, means that they're all 100% legal and actually happen all the time! Some. may argue that, statistically, only about one percent of all abortions performed in the United States occur after 21 weeks and that only 29 states, even permit, abortions to preserve the life or health of the woman. Nonsense.
@TheLegendOfRandy You're not making any sense. I never said it was 100% legal all the time for any reason. Just that it can be legal. That's enough to make the point. But it's really beside the point. The primary point is how we treat human life in the womb at ANY stage. Every human life deserves the dignity and natural rights of all other humans. Who are you or anyone else to say otherwise without landing on a slippery slope that could be used to justify anything...absolutely anything.
@MatthewWarner "First you say "absolutely not" & "completely illegal" about late-term abortions. Then, in the very next sentence, you say late-term abortions "can potentially be legal."
"If there's an exception to something being illegal, "that means it is LEGAL."
"I never said it was 100% legal all the time for any reason. Just that "it can be legal."
@MatthewWarner Anyway, embryo's are alive, but they have no 'life' (loving, thinking, feeling, friends, emotions, memories, etc) Embryo's lack ALL consciousness; an embryo is alive the same as a tree is alive. Humans don't start developing cognition till about 2.5 years after birth. It's undeniably, impossible for an embryo to be self-aware, so it would never even know it existed. And you can't miss something that you never had. "Who are you to decide" swings both ways, byw.
@TheLegendOfRandy so by your logic you think it's okay to kill a 2.5 year old child? Because they are "alive" but have no "life"? So cognition and self-awareness is the determining factor for you on whether a life can be missed? And therefore whether or not it's okay for us to morally kill it?
Swings both ways? I'm not deciding to kill anything. I'm supporting human life and protecting it. I'm giving every individual human life the dignity it deserves.
@TheLegendOfRandy You should also google "When does science say human life begins?". I wrote a post on my blog that you might like and helps explain the development of human life a bit more. Peace be with you!
@MatthewWarner What are you talking about? A 2 year old child is conscious. Of course, he can't talk and he doesn't understand much, but he is very much alive. However, a young fetus is pretty much a bunch of animal cells that serve no uses just yet. He is technically alive, but he is just a simple nervous system with no consciousness at all, a bit like a jellyfish, or like Legend said, a tree.
In outraged reaction to Susan G. Komen Foundation defunding of Planned Parenthood, I've donated $500 to Planned Parenthood. Komen's backpedaling on the issue did not change my mind make an extra yearly donation to Planned Parenthood. I hope other YouTube viewers do the same! We Pro-Choice people must not only talk the talk, we must walk the walk! Keep abortion safe and legal!
I recently spoke with a teenager who was pregnant but could not afford to travel outside of the state. Her boyfriend knew a 'guy', So she booked a hotel room where she handed over to this man 400 dollars. He took the money then raped her and left. She is still pregnant and utterly degraded. She will soon be having a Late Term Abortion in England.
@prochoicecliniescort What this young mother needed was NOT an abortion. What she needed was somebody to love her and show her that her baby was loved and that they both are beautiful & alive.
She needed somebody w/ courage to say, "this might be hard, but your baby is worth it & I'm here to help you through it." She needed somebody to tell her honestly that killing your unborn baby is not going to fix your life. It's going to lead to more problems and a lifetime of regret. She needed love.
@MatthewWarner But here in the real world .... She did not have " somebody to love her and show her that her baby was loved" - she just had people trying to take advantage of the fact that pro-lifers had taken away her choice.
Thank God you live in a country where abortion is safe and legal.
@prochoicecliniescort abortions R not safe. Not for the mother & ESP NOT for the baby! Abortion also won't help this woman in the long term. I can tell you there are lots of people who love her - they just haven't gotten the chance to meet her yet. That's why we need more resources that love her and take care of her, not ones that convince her it is "okay" to kill her baby and that pretend that doing so will make things better. They won't. If you truly love her, you'll love her and her baby.
@MatthewWarner Illegal backstreet abortions aren't Safe. If there was some risk to women from safe and legal abortions then the pro-life lobby would have highlighted it - Lord knows they tried to invent and exagerate risks to the mother.
Yes you are right - someone did love that woman - their was a bingo raffle to pay for her fare to England. How humiliating for her!
How much money have you donted to pro-life charites? or are you another US republican who wants to cut 'big Govt?
@prochoicecliniescort what's humiliating is that people played bingo to send this girl off to get an abortion rather than care for her. I know endless charities right now that would pay for all of her costs, take care of her and then help find a loving home for child if she chose adoption. The problem is not that there aren't resources to take care of women in need. It's that instead of people genuinely caring 4 her & helpin her find resources, they are playin bingo to get her an abortion.
@MatthewWarner How much does it cost to raise a child? I have had this argument from Pro-life people - many of who I find genuine and well meaning - but, again in Reality these resources are not available. She would also find this option distressing. This should have been a private matter between her and her doctor. With no backstreet abortionist, no criminality, no youtube discussion, no bingo.
How much money have you donated to pro-life charities?
@ittakesnogenius Yes but no. Sperm has similar traits very rarely are there random breaks from those traits. But the rest is environmental that really separates the kids from the pack.
@ittakesnogenius no because abortion is completely different. You're talking about pre conception vs conception and fetus stage. Don't pull out the mid carriage thing either my mom had a few and I was born with aortic stenosis.
@MrAwesomesauce101 but, your reasoning was "You were once a fetus so therefore a fetus is a human being" that what something is depends on what it will become. I was once an egg, so that's a human being then, and I was once a sperm, so that's also a human being.
@Sueezee1 this so called fetus (which means 'baby' anyway) can feel their scalp getting crushed, their body being cut up in pieces, this fetus tries to struggle and pull away from the abortionists machines. It can feel. Show some compassion.
@veelouise100 this is false. Abortions are rare after week 15, and they most definitely don't feel before that. Abortions after that are more often than not medically necessary, and abortions made after 21 weeks, when one study says they may be able to feel, are most defiitely very rare, and except for exceptionally rare cases medically necessary. Some studies even say they don't feel until after 28 weeks. Saying "it can feel" is false, you do not know, so do not pass it around as fact.
The most fundamental of all human rights is the right to be born. Without this, all other human rights are meaningless.
Hillary Clinton is one who has never seen an abortion she didn't like, yet there she was quite recently mouthing off about 'human rights abuses in Libya'......!
@poplar15 being born isn't a right. It's a priviledge. I'm not spoiled enough to be able to say to my mom "hey, I'm not thankful for you giving birth to me, you HAD to, you had no choice but to be stuck with two kids at 40". That's not what a good kid says
@ittakesnogenius - Did any of us ask to be born? No, we just arrived. And were we not all helpless, dependant on our parents (or guardians) for our welfare until we were mature enough to fend for ourselves?
How can there be any justification for denying this right (or 'privilege' as you call it) to anyone?
@ittakesnogenius - Yes, the usual pro-abort psyche.. '...It's ok to deny others the right (or privilege) to be born, but just don't deny it to li'l old ME, cos I'm so special.....'
@poplar15 My mother considered abortion with me, and I'm completely fine with that. I had no say in me being born or not, I just was. I don't mind the thought of me being aborted, and I can do nothing about it now. I still believe my life is a privilidge, and I thank my mom for it. I'd never be able to be that ungrateful and say my mom never had a choice, and HAD to go through a difficult pregnancy that could've taken her life. Nope, I'm GRATEFUL.
Supposing a woman who suffers from tuberculosis finds herself pregnant. Her husband has syphilis. There are already three children in the family. One is blind, another deaf, and the other also suffers from tuberculosis. Yet another child died in infancy.
Would you recommend she should have an abortion? If you said 'yes', congratulations! You’ve just killed Beethoven.
@poplar15 says: Would you recommend she should have an abortion?
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WHAT???? NO prochoiers "recommends" ANYONE have an abortion!! Thats what CHOICE is...the woman making her individual, personal CHOICE for HERSELF! Good heavens!!!
@prochoicecliniescort I disagree. Being truly ProLife is not compatible with promoting, performing or undergoing abortions. Many people who have had abortions while considering themselves prolife have used the phrase "I had no choice." Ironic, isn't it? I don't think anyone can truly call themselves "ProChoice" unless they work equally as hard to support and enable the woman's choice to have her baby as they do to promote abortion. Otherwise, they are simply ProAbortion.
@prochoicecliniescort Well, with all due respect, perhaps you ought to change your username to more clearly define and accomodate your stance on the abortion issue. And I would appreciate it if you could note/cite the (specifically prolife) laws which kill women, hurt children and damage society. I have not encountered such a law, but if I am misinformed, I would like to know exactly where the misinformation lies.
@vidamia91 I'd be happy to. Every week I have the sad job of escorting/helping young women to leave their homes and their families and travel to a foreign country to have a termination. I try to give as much help and support as I can but it is still immensely stressful on these women.
To answer your question Ireland's Right to Life amendment of 1983 has killed women and damaged families. Prolife ultimately hurt children. You have the luxury of arrogance because abortion is legal in the US.
@prochoicecliniescort I'm truly sorry that is the case. I realize your job is a particularly sad one, & that there is a huge amount of stress & anxiety experienced by the women involved as well. I appreciate your good intentions, those being to help women, & ultimately save children from the abuse & neglect of being unwanted. I thank you for citing the law. I try not to be arrogant. That said, I, personally, cannot agree that abortion is ever the best solution for women. Logical? Yes. Best? No.
@vidamia91 Thank you. Nothing in life is simple. I also value your compassion for what you call the unborn, however, I feel your compassion is misplaced.
I genuinely feel that pro-life legislation hurts women and children.
And I do understand exactly what is involved in an abortion.
@prochoicecliniescort Vidamia91 - when you say it is my 'job' I would like to pint out that I am not paid to help these women travel. I do it because I have seen - first hand - the devasating effects on families and women that lack of choice brings. You have no experience of these problems - thankfully - becasue you live in a pro-choice society.
@poplar15 says: Yes, the usual pro-abort psyche.. '...It's ok to deny others the right (or privilege) to be born, but just don't deny it to li'l old ME, cos I'm so special.....'
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LOLOL, Yes, the usual pro-birth lack of critical thinking.... A fetus is NOT an "other", and comparing it to a living breathing person is idiocy!
Ok this one kinda screwed up with the whole minutes before thing. However before a women can tell she's pregnant the heart, spine, and liver are already developed. That is a valid argument
@2mfighter Actually, the minutes before thing is entirely true. So not sure what you're talking about. Please read the info under the video.
The point is that literally seconds before a baby is born (whether they are born at 9 months or 6 months or whenever) we don't recognize them as a human life worthy of human rights and allow people to kill such life. But seconds later, somehow it's not okay to kill the baby anymore? It's illogical and inconsistent.
@MatthewWarner says: we don't recognize them as a human life worthy of human rights and allow people to kill such life. But seconds later, somehow it's not okay to kill the baby anymore? It's illogical and inconsistent.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ So giving the unborn rights IS logical????What damned rights COULD you give a fetus and still give the woman HER rights?
@Sueezee1 The unborn human is a human. Humans have human rights. The mother still has her human rights as well, of course. But we all have limits to our "rights." I have a right certain freedom, for example, up to the point that it infringes or takes away somebody else's freedom. A mother has a right to her life, of course. But she (as with all of us) has no right to take the life of another human being. It's really quite simple. It's just hard sometimes because life is hard.
@MatthewWarner says: The unborn human is a human. Humans have human rights.
~~~~~~~~ Humans have NO rights. Human being do. Take just alittle pride in yourself & the things you say. Learn the difference in human & human being, and learn the law, or continue to look foolish.
@MatthewWarner says: I have a right certain freedom, for example, up to the point that it infringes or takes away somebody else's freedom.
~~~~~~~~~~~ A fetus isnt a "somebody else"... insinuating another person. NO infringment! Im really getting bored with you. This is like a an engineer talking to a person who wants to use duct tape in place of rivets in bridge building!
@Sueezee1 Uhm, that's the point. From the moment of conception there is a "somebody else." Whether you want to admit it or not. Science has overwhelmingly verified this.
Also, I am actually an engineer.
Also also, if you're bored then stop writing. No need to tell me. Have a great one!
@MatthewWarner It's actually an embryo when abortions are allowed to be done. Just cells and nothing else. It's not even called a fetus till the second trimester.
@JesicaYesicaRosa okay, pro-choice here, but please say the right things. Abortion is legal up to 24 weeks in the united states, but a lot of abortion clinics only do abortion up until 12 weeks. At 9 weeks the embryo becomes a fetus, and remains a fetus until it is born.
@JesicaYesicaRosa Abortions are allowed in most states without any restrictions up until at least the 3rd trimester. And they are allowed with a few very loose and easily manipulated exceptions up until birth.
Also, we are all "Just cells". So I'm not sure what you're point is there.
@Sueezee1 Wow just wow. First off whey you say, dudududh says: we can see it and so can people you don't need to put the "says" second you outline the main point and argue about it when it's quite obvious our point has been varified. Abortion is genocide 2 out of every 8 babies this year were already aborted.
Face it abortion is murder and you're supporting it.
@Sueezee1 You were once a fetus so therefore a fetus is a human being. Human beings have rights that didn't just spring from mid air but also made logical sense. Like don't kill, don't steal shit and don't abuse or neglect life. So therefore abortion is murder the fetus within a few weeks can already dream, have a spinal cord and it's own blood type. How would you like it if you were only three inches from birth and your mom decided to stick a needle in you and kill you!? Damn you're stupid.
@Sueezee1 Did you actually watch the video? Or did you just come here to debate people? An hour before a baby is born, it's still, *technically* a fetus, but I don't see what kind of sense it makes to say that a fetus is NOT a baby, when that same fetus could be born a week earlier, and, having been born, count as a baby... Why do a few inches and the presence of oxygen in its lungs determine whether or not it's a human being?
@vidamia91 says: I don't see what kind of sense it makes to say that a fetus is NOT a baby, when that same fetus could be born a week earlier, and, having been born, count as a baby..
~~~~~~~~~~ Are you serious? Baby...Fetus...who cares whats its called?? What an irrelevant comment!!
@Sueezee1 It is relevant because most people (*most* people) differentiate between a baby and a fetus, saying that it is acceptable to terminate a *fetus*, but not a *baby* that is already born...
@vidamia91 says: It is relevant because most people (*most* people) differentiate between a baby and a fetus, saying that it is acceptable to terminate a *fetus*, but not a *baby* that is already born...
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SO WHAT?? It cant change the law, it dosent matter, call it a train,a bus, a bird and it will still be legal. It IS irrelevant to EVERYTHING that pretains to abortion. Its just a comment that uneducated probirthers like to fling around because they thev nothing else.
@Sueezee1 Why would you presume that I am uneducated? I don't presume you to be uneducated. I was simply clarifying terms that for social and psychological reasons are commonly used just as I used them now, "fetus" for pre-birth and "baby" for post-birth...
@vidamia91 I live in Ireland where abortion is illegal. This policy has done so much damage to good caring women that the Irish Catholic Church nolonger supports the ban on abortion.
@vidamia91 says: Why do a few inches and the presence of oxygen in its lungs determine whether or not it's a human being?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A human being is a person with rights. How would we give fetuses, that are cocooned inside another's body, any rights? We must wait until birth. So, what do YOU think SHOULD be the defining moment of human beingdom, and explain why.
@MatthewWarner, you're wasting your time despite your quality writing & the solid reasoning of your argument. Suezee1 is one of a handful of oddballs whose opinions are copious & overrepresented in DOZENS of videos relating, in any way, to the abortion issue. They completely disregard the 500-character limit, the reason that it exists, the rights of other users by posting comments remotely related to a vid over & over & over again. They want it to seem like all utube is pro-bort.
@2mfighter says: before a women can tell she's pregnant the heart, spine, and liver are already developed. That is a valid argument
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It is NO argument!!! "development" has NOTHING to do with the issue of legal abortion. Its about rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade
@lahswe21 Exactly, thank you. This also shows that society is practically mostly (Around 51% are pro-life) in favor of forcing a girl to do something against her will...when it a lot of cases ISN'T her fault and imposes risks on her.
There is so much scientific evidence that proves the child is a completely separate entity to the mother. You can justify it however you want to, but the fact remains that the mother has a child within her and to abort is to kill that child. That unborn child has a heartbeat, thinks, sucks its thumb, shows emotion and is human in every way. "Pro-choice" simple means you are for the mother doing whatever she wants and nobody else having any choice.
Actually, it would not be legal to abort the baby at that point. "Partial birth abortion" is illegal, unless the mother's life is in danger, which is very uncommon. And anyway, at 9 months gestation, the baby is wanted. Everyone acts like most abortions are preformed right when she's ready to be born, but the fact of the matter is most abortions are done before 8 weeks in the pregnancy. It is incredibly tiny and unidentifiable at that point. Please stop!
@dancer8164 There is nothing hateful about this video. So you must be referring to some other comments or something.
Additionally, your facts aren't entirely correct. Pls read the info under the video.
Finally, if it's morally wrong to kill a baby right before birth at 9 months, why is it okay to kill the baby at any point in the life of the child prior? That's what logically follows from the primary point of the vid. The value of a child's life does not depend on how wanted they R. Sorry.
@MatthewWarner Sorry if i was unclear, I meant that my comment was not trying to be hateful! Do you know anyone that would willingly carry a baby to term for 9 months, then just as its ready to be born, kill it?! That's crazy, no one in their right mind would do it.
The ban on late term abortions was all about the compromise. Most people are generally okay with abortion when its microscopic, and generally opposed to it when the baby is very developed.
@dancer8164 Babies are born & survive much sooner than 9 mos (like as early as 4-5 mos). So 9 months is not necessarily the age being discussed when talking about "just born". Additionally, babies are only "microscopic" for a matter of days after conception. By the time a woman typically finds out she is pregnant and arranges for an abortion the baby usually has a heartbeat and or most of its organs, etc.
Even still, who has the right to decide that ANY baby should die no matter how developed?
@MatthewWarner A fetus surviving at 4 months?! That seems highly unlikely But you're right, at 8 weeks, and embryo is about ½ an inch long, not microscopic. Anyway, even if an embryo/fetus was a person, it still wouldn't have the right to use my body against my will. It's like forcing someone to donate their organs, not cool.
@dancer8164 No offense, but it's also "not cool" to kill other human lives against their will. Your will is exercised when you engage in activity (sex) that has the potential to create a new human life. So you have a moral obligation to not kill the baby. The only exception to that is with rape, which means the mother is a victim. Turning the baby into a second victim by killing them is not moral, nor does it make anything better for mother or baby. It's nothing like donating organs, by the way.
@MatthewWarner So engaging in sex is wrong, because you might get pregnant, right? Just like driving a car is bad because you might get in an accident?! Procreating is not the only reason for having sex. So you allow abortion in cases of rape, but not in cases of saving the potential person from a horrible life? Your logic seems extremely flawed. And it is very much like donating organs, forcing someone to do something with their body against their will.
@dancer8164 uhm, pls read what i said. I said if you engage in sex you have a moral obligation to deal with the fact a new human life could be created. Sex is beautiful when done properly (ie within the safe bounds of a permanent life long relationship). And R U sayin it's okay to kill somebody as long as it saves somebody else from a horrible life? A baby has its own body. It's not an organ. There are two bodies involved. It's not ok to kill one bc the other doesn't like it.
@MatthewWarner Who decides another persons moral obligations? You?? And do you also decide when sex is proper and improper? I think you need to take a look at what you're saying. You are trying to control other peoples lives which simply is not right. A fetus is not a person. Did you know? And actually, I should say embryo, since it's an embryo when most abortions are preformed. Even though there are two bodies involved, you can't ignore the fact that you are forcing someone else to be pregnant.
@dancer8164 Nope not me. I don't decide any of it. Doesn't mean they don't exist though. I have absolutely no desire to control people's lives. And it's pretty unfair and unfounded to make such an accusation.
A fetus/embryo is a human life. This is scientific fact - not my opinion. Who r u to decide who is worthy of living and dying? Who r u to decide if u or anyone else can end another human life?
Embryos have all major body parts and a beating heart at 8 wks. MOST abortions occur after that.
@dancer8164 And this is just getting silly. I'm not "forcing" anyone to be pregnant anymore than I forced the mother and father to engage in the act that created their child. I AM, however, trying to protect their child from being killed.
I'm not ignoring the fact that saving an unborn child's life means (in most cases) the mother remaining pregnant. I'm just saying that just because another human life happens to depend on her for shelter and food doesn't mean she has the right to kill him/her.
@MatthewWarner So how is rape different? Do you seriously think abortion should be outlawed, unless it was rape? How would you be able to prove that it was indeed rape? I do not deny that a fetus/embryo is human life. Are you saying it's wrong to kill any life? If so, you must believe all women are serial killers for having a menstrual period. And against eating meat, and hunting......
@dancer8164 I already answered you about rape. You must have missed it above. abortion is NOT okay EVEN in the case of rape. Why would the fact that you or I were conceived in a rape make it okay to kill us? The baby is an innocent bystander to a violent crime. That doesn't mean you can kill them.
@dancer8164 And can you please tell me what distinguishes between a "human life" and a "person"? And why? And then why one "has rights" and the other we can kill at will?
And u need to study ur biology. Menstrual periods r not human lives. They are unfertilized eggs. There's a HUGE biological difference. If you want to learn more, read the blog post I link to under the video. And in the case of natural miscarriage, there is a HUGE moral difference bc it is natural and not caused by the mother.
@MatthewWarner I'm a girl, I know what a period is. I think we realize where we both stand on this. You are for forcing women to remain pregnant no matter what the situation, and you continue to call an embryo a child, when it is merely a potential person. Good bye, and thank you for your interesting arguments.
@MatthewWarner An embryo is indeed human life, it is not a person, however. It does not have the same rights you and I have. You're right, I am most definitely NOT in the place to decide if a woman will abort or not, and neither are you! It is entirely the woman's decision. And actually, 90% of abortions occur before 12 weeks. It doesn't matter if it has a heart beat, organs, or fingernails for that matter. If something or someone is using my body against my will, it's going to get out.
@dancer8164 You said "You are trying to control other peoples lives which simply is not right." Killing another person is not right. Using the words "Fetus" or "embryo" is a convenient excuse for doing what suits you. When is a fetus not a fetus - ten minutes before birth? A week before birth? Who are you to decide that any child is a fetus and therefore dispensible? The fact is that many children are aborted much, much later than you claim. Have the honesty to check it out.
@dancer8164 The fact is that thousands of children are being sacrificed upon the altar of convenience. All who defend or take part in the practice are guilty of murder just as surely as if they had killed the child immediately after birth. You that argue for child-murder are wrong, and a disgrace to the human race. Of course, you'll go into a rage at me for speaking truth. Well so be it. Live with your guilt. colnunn
@dancer8164 I was unclear regarding rape. Let me rephrase. I was saying the only exception "to a mother (and father) WILLFULLY engaging in an act that has potential to produce a new human life - is where rape is involved. That's all. If you choose 2 have sex (ie a new human life could be created), you have a moral obligation to, among other things, not kill that child after you create them. EVEN IF a child results from a rape, tho, it doesn't mean anyone has the right to kill the innocent baby.
@freewilllover You also simply force someone to carry an unwanted pregnancy, regardless of her health or environment. You people make me sick. Tell me you have never eaten a cheeseburger. Yeah, thats killing a life! Ssave teh baybee cowzzz!!!
@freewilllover Humans are superior, is that what you're saying? So it's okay to kill any other species except for humans. God chose us right?? hahahah i just dont understand youre logic.
@dancer8164 No because humans are an intelegent species and because we humans have free will, morality, and memories. Also we have a loyalty towards our species, by your logic killing humans is wrong!!
@MatthewWarner ........You are right, every CHILD is valuable! That's why every mother should be a willing mother, and make sure every child she has is wanted and cared for! Forcing someone to be pregnant is torture. An embryo is not a person, and thats just a fact. And most abortions are preformed when it's an embryo. What part of my previous statement was not factual?
Ward Kischer, PhD, Human Embryologist, University of Arizona, College of Medicine, says "Every human embryologist in the world knows that the life of the new individual human being begins at fertilization, it is not a belief, it is a scientific fact." watch "When does life begin?" on YouTube. Get the facts, choose LIFE!
@ekajeht You make it sound so shallow and simple but it isn't. Life is not worth the taking away of someone else's life or their rights, or their value, or pretending a woman doesn't exist during a pregnancy if it puts her at risk. It's like you think it's already been born, and is being carried around in a basket, not inside of one woman and affecting her life so deeply.
If you had to choose between a woman you knew/loved, and an embryo that put her at risk, which loss hurts more?
"She is a human being a not a choice." Yeah. Neither was that under-age girl that got raped, and possibly, impregnated. Not only are the risks of giving birth that young higher, but it might also be too expensive to care for! Even if you put it up for adoption, it still would have affected the young mother's life greatly and had even killed her or the baby if the risks won. Also, the baby would have had to be a few MONTHS younger. Not minutes before birth. Abortion has a limit...
@bribelle24 Well, that's 1% of women that will have their rights taken away, still! Also, even if it WASN'T rape or incest, and a mistake, if the girl is underage, then the risks of pregnancy are so much higher...even if the woman is an adult, it should STILL be her choice; not being forced to go with it! Also, (A less radical point of view for anti-abortion) there is also the argument for a 12-day abortion period. Within 12 days of impregnation, life has not started- it's only cells.
@OOOPwnedOOO Exactly, and they don't abort babies, they abort embryos, which is NOT the same as a baby... let alone a human life..
I can't stand these pro-life people, caring for the unborn child without knowing any of the facts, meanwhile, many already born babies and kids are dying of starvation and thirst and poverty and disease.. why don't they help those kids :S oh yeah right, pro-life people also have a choice: they choose not to help third-world-babies, which -to me- is also 'murder' :\
@OOOPwnedOOO The odds of a young mother dying during child birth are greatly exaggerated, especially in North America, where we have the technology and medical knowledge to prevent this from happening in most cases. In most third world countries, however, what you're arguing is a reality. The solution to this problem is not investing more many in abortion in these countries; it is investing more money in healthcare and providing adequate contraceptives to these women.
@Rafdaganga Is it fair to punish the living mother though instead of the unborn mass of cells? A less radical point of view for Pro-Life is the "12-day rule." 12 days after conception, life has factually not started yet. It is a mass of cells. So why punish the mother when it can be avoided without killing? If the girl is underage, the risks are higher. Also, what if the family is financially unstable and not able to support the baby? Too many factors for this right to be taken away from women.
Well, to answer your question, I'm pro-choice. I'm not in favor of late term abortions though, unless of course it puts the mother in physical danger.
As a guy, this is so hard for me to choose, and that is why I choose not to take a stand on it. I am a male and I don't have any children, so what does my opinion matter? Women are the ones who have to deal with being pregnant and child-rearing when the baby is born. Most men want to take a position on this when half the time they can just up and leave on a whim if they want. At the same time, if women did not want to get pregnant, then they need to get birth control pills or not have sex.
@bshainhunter I sympathize with what you're saying, but look at it this way. Before the Civil War, we had slavery in America. White people had no reason to care about black suffering, because slavery didn't affect them at all. But you would feel a moral obligation as a human being to stop slavery, wouldn't you?
You see, when we use the argument of "It doesn't affect me", that really is irrelevant. What matters is that you are a human being with a conscience, and abortion is murder. Period.
@bshainhunter Unborn babies are both female and male. Regardless of their gender, they deserve to not be killed. They are individual, unique human lives with all the inherent value and owed dignity that any human being has.
As @gotgame292 said, it's not all about you or about men who shirk their responsibilities. It's about protecting ALL human life, most especially the most innocent and weakest among us.
@MatthewWarner You make a valid point but I still don't have a position on the issue. I can can see both sides quite clearly and it is hard for me to choose a side on this topic.
@thelordisgayandmerry the Constitution states that all people have the right to life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.. People die because living forever was just not in our gene pools..also naturally occurring deaths have nothing to do with our rights...and murder is a person taking someone's right to live away..people do not have the right to take life away which is basically enforcing that murder of any kind is bad..and we don't ignore other countries who's rights are not respected..I k
I'm an atheist and I find it really hard to justify abortion except in the most extreme cases but I've never spoken to an ardent pro-choicer before either.
Dammit more misleading bullshit from prolifers this why i cant even take you seriously when you spread propaganda no facts. Most abortions takes place withing the 1st trimester when the fetus doesnt have any organs and cannot feel pain. only 1% of abortions happen after 21 weeks. and most of those are to save the life of the mother. The prolifers always show pictures of babies and try and use propaganda tactics to arouse angry into people thats why radical prolifers are shooting up hospitals
@animejerk05 It's not meant to be misleading at all. Nor is it meant to be strictly emotional. In fact, everything stated in the video is fact. And it's not about what percentage of abortions take place at what time. It's a principled and philosophical argument. It's not made to arouse shooting. It's made to arouse thought about why one second a baby is allowed to be legally killed (in the womb) and the next second (after leaving the womb) they no longer can be? It's ridiculous and illogical.
@MatthewWarner The difference is a soul You are not considered alive unless you have a soul or a brain if your not religious A scientist can take 1 million eggs from one woman and one million sperm cells from one man and created 1 million zygote cells Are they all alive in your book Should a woman have millions of babies cause she have millions of eggs abortion may be ok in one matter not not allowed in another because at some point a fetus devolops a soul thats the deciding factor not minutes
@animejerk05 From a legal standpoint, ensoulment is not a factor at all. And even from a moral standpoint, ensoulment is a difficult argument to make. And of course is entirely separate from the scientific standpoint. From a scientific standpoint, an egg is just an egg. Once conception occurs, however, there is a unique, distinct and self-directing human life present. Size of that human life does not matter. How many cells make up that human life does not matter. It's a human life.
@MatthewWarner when i meant ensoulment i actually meant having a brain and being able to fell pain but your wrong scientists have already stated that there is no proof whats so ever biologically that at the exact moment of conception that a zygote cell meets the criteria of being considered a person Personhood at conception is a religious belief not a provable biological fact There nothing wrong in
getting an abortion within the first two trimesters If thats what the woman wants a choice
@animejerk05 You're all over the map. "personhood" is not a scientific distinction at all. What I stated from a biological and scientific standpoint is absolutely true and it's established science at that. And you are also inconsistent as a human can feel pain within the first two trimesters. And the brain is formed and in use very early on in human development. More on the science on my blog, FallibleBlogma. Or you can google "When does science say human life begins" to find my blog post.
@animejerk05 And even still, brain function & pain reception are relatively arbitrary points of "personhood." If I am brain dead, does that mean I'm no longer a human life? Of course I still am. If I am completely numb & can't feel any pain, does that mean I'm no longer a human life? Of course I still am. Those things don't define what is human, nor do they define what is "alive." These are biological definitions that are clear. Pls check your science. New human life is created at fertilization.
@MatthewWarner anyone who is brain dead is considered dead and taking off the respirator. But thats besides the point New human life isnt created at fertilization A single celled zygote have no componets in it that would suggest its a full human being that have rights over the mother. The debate over when life offically starts is on going and debatable.
@animejerk05 I wasn't clear about brain dead. My point is that it's still a human. Whether they are alive still or not is actually a more complex circumstantial point. But as you said, it's beside the point. It's an arbitrary distinction. Again, your position keeps shifting. A new human life is indeed created at fertilization. A zygote has ALL the components to suggest and define it as a separate, distinct, self-directing human life. This is in every decent embryology text book.
@animejerk05 Additionally, nobody said the baby had rights over the mother. So you're setting up straw man arguments here to make your muddy point. I'm simply advocating the nobody has the right "over" the baby to take his/her life directly and intentionally.
@MatthewWarner You cant have things both ways mate. If you believe the embryo have rights and you also believe the mother also have rights in regard to child birth then someone is going to have to give. A mother cant have the right over her body and an embryo the right to life at the same time.
@animejerk05 I don't follow your logic. Just because the way new human beings happen to come about is to first grow inside of another human being (our mother) doesn't mean we both don't have a right to life.
You have a right to own property. But it stops when it tries to make ME that property. U have a right to drive a car. But that right stops when it means driving over me and killing me. A mother has a right to her body, but she does not have rights over the body inside of her. Very simple.
@MatthewWarner thats bull crap there no proof personhood starts at conception anyways. There are lots of morally and logical reasons in which a mother should be allowed to have an abortion. Maybe she was raped and dont want to go through the mental suffering of being forced to have her rapist child. Maybe she is judaist or another religion that believes that life starts at birth not conception. A women that is terminally sick and that needs or an abortion or will die.
@animejerk05 A woman that doesnt want to give birth to a sick child that will suffer its entire life. A woman that doesnt want any children wahats so ever that uses condoms and other forms of birth control every single day. Since there not 100% there a slim chance they can fail. A woman that never had any intention of being a mother shouldnt be force to carry a child. Whatever the reason neither you or the government should have the right to force a woman to carry a child for what ever reason
@animejerk05 The exact point the sperm hits the egg a child or fetus (young one) is formed and begins to grow. If you have gone through biology you would know this. And in the small percentage that a woman does get pregnant after being raped does not mean that she should end her childs life because of the sins of the father.
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Choice=Murder
Unwanted=Murder
My Body= “”
Unplanned= “”
Equality = “”
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Ah the Euphemisms service us well as history has proven. Verbal Reengineering worked on Slavery, Indians, Jews & now the most innocent & marginalized of them all, a baby in the womb.Its funny how we say "never again" then we do it again Different Rhetoric, different demographic, same outcome JPII was right we do live in a Culture of Death. You don't have to be religious to see it. Just use reason
teton99 15 hours ago
Great commercial! God bless you and let us walk together to protect life!
MrEnlighteneddespot 18 hours ago
I could say that I am both (in a way). My Pro-Choice to be Pro-Life.
TheVIPTiffArchie 2 weeks ago
My big problem with abortion is this...amongst the welfare dependent underclass it is not mandatory to have one. If we could get them to stop breeding altogether we would see our crime rate plummet and the amount of tax the government takes from us to support single mothers would be virtually eliminated.Then productive self supporting citizens could spend more on making our time off work more pleasent and the extra money we would spend on leisure would boost the economy.
hmwm67 3 weeks ago
@hmwm67 Hmm. So ur suggesting we should just kill all the people that need the most help in society so we can spend more money on leisure and therefore help the economy?
This comment is so depressing. The slippery slope we're on has completely malformed the consciences of our culture to the point that we say things like this & try to justify the gravest of evil for the sake of "leisure" & our economy. It's the definition of selfish and completely misses the point of the life we've been given.
MatthewWarner 3 weeks ago 2
@MatthewWarner We dont live in a perfect world. Banning abortion would hugely increase the number of single mothers and their offspring would would leach the rest of society by claiming welfare payouts.If you dont like abortion then direct your talents and resources into educating as many deprived teenagers as possible about safe sex methods. This would reduce the number of unwanted pregancies and thus abortion levels would fall. Prevention is better than cure
hmwm67 3 weeks ago 2
Pro-choice
iamghostwalrus 3 weeks ago
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Peace in the World. Iraq, Afghanistan aren’t the most dangerous places in the world, a mother’s womb is. There will never be peace anywhere else until unborn life is protected & cherished once again; with out it there is no foundation for the rest of the world.
teton99 1 month ago
Just like how marijuana is completely, 100% illegal to buy and sell, here in California. Getting caught buying or selling will lead to expensive fines and potential jail-time. No wait... Wait... There's an exception... With the proper license, you can legally buy and sell a restricted amount of marijuana... It would be totally legal! Well, thanks to that one exception, buying and selling all marijuana is totally, 100% LEGAL!!! Hazaah for the one, individual exception!!! =D
TheLegendOfRandy 1 month ago
I'm not sure whether or not the intent, of this erroneous video, was purposely fallacious, or just extraordinarily ignorant... "A few minutes younger?" Absolutely not, sir, that's completely illegal. 88% of abortions are had early in the first trimester. Any abortion during the 3rd trimester is illegal. Partial birth's can, POTENTIALLY, be legal, but are extremely rare. Less than 10% abortions are done in the late 2nd trimester and up. Pro-life is perfectly fine, pro-ignorance is not.
TheLegendOfRandy 1 month ago
@TheLegendOfRandy First you say "absolutely not" & "completely illegal" about late-term abortions. Then in the very next sentence you say late-term abortions "can potentially be legal." So you tell me who is ignorant here? Also, you should read the text under the video.
And u should seriously check ur facts. 88% of abortion in "early" first trimester? Uhm, no. Most women don't even know they're pregnant until mid-1st trimester...well after "early" and after the baby has a heartbeat/organs.
MatthewWarner 1 month ago
@MatthewWarner Indeed, late-term abortions are illegal. I'm responding, particularly, to the video itself. Based on the info you provide, "5 minutes earlier" is bogus and untrue. Of course, if the woman is in danger of losing her life, the law can make that exception for her. Not forcing a women to put her life in jeopardy doesn't make it any less illegal. Not a contradiction. Your right, I should have said "88% of abortions are done in the 1st trimester" and not said "early."
TheLegendOfRandy 1 month ago
@TheLegendOfRandy It's neither bogus, nor untrue. The baby is a newborn. Newborns, minutes before they are born, are still inside of the womb. Where they can be LEGALLY killed under loose, non-precise & abused exceptions. U r making semantic nonsense. If there's an exception to something being illegal, that means it is LEGAL. And these exceptions for the "health of the mother" (not just her "life") can & are abused bc they're given if they at all impact her health psychologically,physically, etc
MatthewWarner 1 month ago
@MatthewWarner lol Well you've answered my comment about "extraordinary ignorance..." No, your right and I'm wrong. The very rare, circumstantial exception to Late-term abortions, means that they're all 100% legal and actually happen all the time! Some. may argue that, statistically, only about one percent of all abortions performed in the United States occur after 21 weeks and that only 29 states, even permit, abortions to preserve the life or health of the woman. Nonsense.
TheLegendOfRandy 1 month ago
@TheLegendOfRandy You're not making any sense. I never said it was 100% legal all the time for any reason. Just that it can be legal. That's enough to make the point. But it's really beside the point. The primary point is how we treat human life in the womb at ANY stage. Every human life deserves the dignity and natural rights of all other humans. Who are you or anyone else to say otherwise without landing on a slippery slope that could be used to justify anything...absolutely anything.
MatthewWarner 1 month ago
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@MatthewWarner "First you say "absolutely not" & "completely illegal" about late-term abortions. Then, in the very next sentence, you say late-term abortions "can potentially be legal."
"If there's an exception to something being illegal, "that means it is LEGAL."
"I never said it was 100% legal all the time for any reason. Just that "it can be legal."
Hmm... Going in circles much?
TheLegendOfRandy 1 month ago
@MatthewWarner Anyway, embryo's are alive, but they have no 'life' (loving, thinking, feeling, friends, emotions, memories, etc) Embryo's lack ALL consciousness; an embryo is alive the same as a tree is alive. Humans don't start developing cognition till about 2.5 years after birth. It's undeniably, impossible for an embryo to be self-aware, so it would never even know it existed. And you can't miss something that you never had. "Who are you to decide" swings both ways, byw.
TheLegendOfRandy 1 month ago
@TheLegendOfRandy so by your logic you think it's okay to kill a 2.5 year old child? Because they are "alive" but have no "life"? So cognition and self-awareness is the determining factor for you on whether a life can be missed? And therefore whether or not it's okay for us to morally kill it?
Swings both ways? I'm not deciding to kill anything. I'm supporting human life and protecting it. I'm giving every individual human life the dignity it deserves.
MatthewWarner 1 month ago
@TheLegendOfRandy You should also google "When does science say human life begins?". I wrote a post on my blog that you might like and helps explain the development of human life a bit more. Peace be with you!
MatthewWarner 1 month ago
@MatthewWarner What are you talking about? A 2 year old child is conscious. Of course, he can't talk and he doesn't understand much, but he is very much alive. However, a young fetus is pretty much a bunch of animal cells that serve no uses just yet. He is technically alive, but he is just a simple nervous system with no consciousness at all, a bit like a jellyfish, or like Legend said, a tree.
S3maxime16 18 hours ago
@TheLegendOfRandy Proof?
indygrabowski 1 week ago
@indygrabowski What specifically?
TheLegendOfRandy 1 week ago
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In outraged reaction to Susan G. Komen Foundation defunding of Planned Parenthood, I've donated $500 to Planned Parenthood. Komen's backpedaling on the issue did not change my mind make an extra yearly donation to Planned Parenthood. I hope other YouTube viewers do the same! We Pro-Choice people must not only talk the talk, we must walk the walk! Keep abortion safe and legal!
MrBushlied 1 month ago
(The so called abortion guy took her money then raped her without doing anything that he had promised.)
prochoicecliniescort 1 month ago
I recently spoke with a teenager who was pregnant but could not afford to travel outside of the state. Her boyfriend knew a 'guy', So she booked a hotel room where she handed over to this man 400 dollars. He took the money then raped her and left. She is still pregnant and utterly degraded. She will soon be having a Late Term Abortion in England.
Prolife laws lead to this.
prochoicecliniescort 1 month ago
@prochoicecliniescort What this young mother needed was NOT an abortion. What she needed was somebody to love her and show her that her baby was loved and that they both are beautiful & alive.
She needed somebody w/ courage to say, "this might be hard, but your baby is worth it & I'm here to help you through it." She needed somebody to tell her honestly that killing your unborn baby is not going to fix your life. It's going to lead to more problems and a lifetime of regret. She needed love.
MatthewWarner 1 month ago
@MatthewWarner But here in the real world .... She did not have " somebody to love her and show her that her baby was loved" - she just had people trying to take advantage of the fact that pro-lifers had taken away her choice.
Thank God you live in a country where abortion is safe and legal.
prochoicecliniescort 1 month ago
@prochoicecliniescort abortions R not safe. Not for the mother & ESP NOT for the baby! Abortion also won't help this woman in the long term. I can tell you there are lots of people who love her - they just haven't gotten the chance to meet her yet. That's why we need more resources that love her and take care of her, not ones that convince her it is "okay" to kill her baby and that pretend that doing so will make things better. They won't. If you truly love her, you'll love her and her baby.
MatthewWarner 1 month ago
@MatthewWarner Illegal backstreet abortions aren't Safe. If there was some risk to women from safe and legal abortions then the pro-life lobby would have highlighted it - Lord knows they tried to invent and exagerate risks to the mother.
Yes you are right - someone did love that woman - their was a bingo raffle to pay for her fare to England. How humiliating for her!
How much money have you donted to pro-life charites? or are you another US republican who wants to cut 'big Govt?
prochoicecliniescort 1 month ago
@prochoicecliniescort what's humiliating is that people played bingo to send this girl off to get an abortion rather than care for her. I know endless charities right now that would pay for all of her costs, take care of her and then help find a loving home for child if she chose adoption. The problem is not that there aren't resources to take care of women in need. It's that instead of people genuinely caring 4 her & helpin her find resources, they are playin bingo to get her an abortion.
MatthewWarner 1 month ago
@MatthewWarner How much does it cost to raise a child? I have had this argument from Pro-life people - many of who I find genuine and well meaning - but, again in Reality these resources are not available. She would also find this option distressing. This should have been a private matter between her and her doctor. With no backstreet abortionist, no criminality, no youtube discussion, no bingo.
How much money have you donated to pro-life charities?
Empty Pro-life sentimentality
prochoicecliniescort 1 month ago
Anyone pregnant that late will NOT abort for anything but a damn good reason. Who do you think you are to judge those circumstances? Sick.
phsycofairy 1 month ago 2
That is a lie
nerdbirdofdeath 1 month ago
@ittakesnogenius Yes but no. Sperm has similar traits very rarely are there random breaks from those traits. But the rest is environmental that really separates the kids from the pack.
MrAwesomesauce101 1 month ago
@ittakesnogenius no because abortion is completely different. You're talking about pre conception vs conception and fetus stage. Don't pull out the mid carriage thing either my mom had a few and I was born with aortic stenosis.
MrAwesomesauce101 1 month ago
@MrAwesomesauce101 but, your reasoning was "You were once a fetus so therefore a fetus is a human being" that what something is depends on what it will become. I was once an egg, so that's a human being then, and I was once a sperm, so that's also a human being.
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 this so called fetus (which means 'baby' anyway) can feel their scalp getting crushed, their body being cut up in pieces, this fetus tries to struggle and pull away from the abortionists machines. It can feel. Show some compassion.
veelouise100 1 month ago
@veelouise100 this is false. Abortions are rare after week 15, and they most definitely don't feel before that. Abortions after that are more often than not medically necessary, and abortions made after 21 weeks, when one study says they may be able to feel, are most defiitely very rare, and except for exceptionally rare cases medically necessary. Some studies even say they don't feel until after 28 weeks. Saying "it can feel" is false, you do not know, so do not pass it around as fact.
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
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Carlos101010101 1 month ago
The most fundamental of all human rights is the right to be born. Without this, all other human rights are meaningless.
Hillary Clinton is one who has never seen an abortion she didn't like, yet there she was quite recently mouthing off about 'human rights abuses in Libya'......!
poplar15 1 month ago
@poplar15 being born isn't a right. It's a priviledge. I'm not spoiled enough to be able to say to my mom "hey, I'm not thankful for you giving birth to me, you HAD to, you had no choice but to be stuck with two kids at 40". That's not what a good kid says
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@ittakesnogenius - Did any of us ask to be born? No, we just arrived. And were we not all helpless, dependant on our parents (or guardians) for our welfare until we were mature enough to fend for ourselves?
How can there be any justification for denying this right (or 'privilege' as you call it) to anyone?
poplar15 1 month ago
@poplar15 Yes, there are many justifications for denying this priviledge, such as "no, I don't want to be pregnant", for whatever reason that may be.
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@ittakesnogenius - Yes, the usual pro-abort psyche.. '...It's ok to deny others the right (or privilege) to be born, but just don't deny it to li'l old ME, cos I'm so special.....'
poplar15 1 month ago
@poplar15 My mother considered abortion with me, and I'm completely fine with that. I had no say in me being born or not, I just was. I don't mind the thought of me being aborted, and I can do nothing about it now. I still believe my life is a privilidge, and I thank my mom for it. I'd never be able to be that ungrateful and say my mom never had a choice, and HAD to go through a difficult pregnancy that could've taken her life. Nope, I'm GRATEFUL.
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@ittakesnogenius - Here's something for you to consider....
Supposing a woman who suffers from tuberculosis finds herself pregnant. Her husband has syphilis. There are already three children in the family. One is blind, another deaf, and the other also suffers from tuberculosis. Yet another child died in infancy.
Would you recommend she should have an abortion? If you said 'yes', congratulations! You’ve just killed Beethoven.
poplar15 1 month ago
@poplar15 Yes I would recommend it, but I wouldn't encourage the mother to make a choice she didn't want to make.
That kind of rethoric doesn't work on me, btw.
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@ittakesnogenius - None so blind as those who will not see.....
You are definitely 'no genius'. This is where I get off the bus. Farewell - and good luck to your wit!
poplar15 1 month ago
@poplar15 insulting my intelligence because your rethoric doesn't work on me? Okay, sure.
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@poplar15 says: Would you recommend she should have an abortion?
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WHAT???? NO prochoiers "recommends" ANYONE have an abortion!! Thats what CHOICE is...the woman making her individual, personal CHOICE for HERSELF! Good heavens!!!
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 - Your point being???
poplar15 1 month ago
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Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 for prolifers there is no moral abortion --- except their own.
prochoicecliniescort 1 month ago
@prochoicecliniescort I disagree. Being truly ProLife is not compatible with promoting, performing or undergoing abortions. Many people who have had abortions while considering themselves prolife have used the phrase "I had no choice." Ironic, isn't it? I don't think anyone can truly call themselves "ProChoice" unless they work equally as hard to support and enable the woman's choice to have her baby as they do to promote abortion. Otherwise, they are simply ProAbortion.
vidamia91 1 month ago
@vidamia91 let be me clear - I am pro- free legal abortion. Prolife laws kill women and hurt children and damage society.
I don't care about the unborn.
prochoicecliniescort 1 month ago
@prochoicecliniescort Well, with all due respect, perhaps you ought to change your username to more clearly define and accomodate your stance on the abortion issue. And I would appreciate it if you could note/cite the (specifically prolife) laws which kill women, hurt children and damage society. I have not encountered such a law, but if I am misinformed, I would like to know exactly where the misinformation lies.
vidamia91 1 month ago
@vidamia91 I'd be happy to. Every week I have the sad job of escorting/helping young women to leave their homes and their families and travel to a foreign country to have a termination. I try to give as much help and support as I can but it is still immensely stressful on these women.
To answer your question Ireland's Right to Life amendment of 1983 has killed women and damaged families. Prolife ultimately hurt children. You have the luxury of arrogance because abortion is legal in the US.
prochoicecliniescort 1 month ago
@prochoicecliniescort I'm truly sorry that is the case. I realize your job is a particularly sad one, & that there is a huge amount of stress & anxiety experienced by the women involved as well. I appreciate your good intentions, those being to help women, & ultimately save children from the abuse & neglect of being unwanted. I thank you for citing the law. I try not to be arrogant. That said, I, personally, cannot agree that abortion is ever the best solution for women. Logical? Yes. Best? No.
vidamia91 1 month ago
@vidamia91 Thank you. Nothing in life is simple. I also value your compassion for what you call the unborn, however, I feel your compassion is misplaced.
I genuinely feel that pro-life legislation hurts women and children.
And I do understand exactly what is involved in an abortion.
prochoicecliniescort 1 month ago
@prochoicecliniescort Vidamia91 - when you say it is my 'job' I would like to pint out that I am not paid to help these women travel. I do it because I have seen - first hand - the devasating effects on families and women that lack of choice brings. You have no experience of these problems - thankfully - becasue you live in a pro-choice society.
prochoicecliniescort 1 month ago
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@poplar15 says: Yes, the usual pro-abort psyche.. '...It's ok to deny others the right (or privilege) to be born, but just don't deny it to li'l old ME, cos I'm so special.....'
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LOLOL, Yes, the usual pro-birth lack of critical thinking.... A fetus is NOT an "other", and comparing it to a living breathing person is idiocy!
Sueezee1 1 month ago
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The1991blahblahblah 2 months ago
@MathewWarner hey im pro-life too im not trolling
2mfighter 2 months ago
Ok this one kinda screwed up with the whole minutes before thing. However before a women can tell she's pregnant the heart, spine, and liver are already developed. That is a valid argument
2mfighter 2 months ago
@2mfighter Actually, the minutes before thing is entirely true. So not sure what you're talking about. Please read the info under the video.
The point is that literally seconds before a baby is born (whether they are born at 9 months or 6 months or whenever) we don't recognize them as a human life worthy of human rights and allow people to kill such life. But seconds later, somehow it's not okay to kill the baby anymore? It's illogical and inconsistent.
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
@MatthewWarner says: we don't recognize them as a human life worthy of human rights and allow people to kill such life. But seconds later, somehow it's not okay to kill the baby anymore? It's illogical and inconsistent.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ So giving the unborn rights IS logical????What damned rights COULD you give a fetus and still give the woman HER rights?
Sueezee1 2 months ago
@Sueezee1 The unborn human is a human. Humans have human rights. The mother still has her human rights as well, of course. But we all have limits to our "rights." I have a right certain freedom, for example, up to the point that it infringes or takes away somebody else's freedom. A mother has a right to her life, of course. But she (as with all of us) has no right to take the life of another human being. It's really quite simple. It's just hard sometimes because life is hard.
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
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@MatthewWarner says: The unborn human is a human. Humans have human rights.
~~~~~~~~ Humans have NO rights. Human being do. Take just alittle pride in yourself & the things you say. Learn the difference in human & human being, and learn the law, or continue to look foolish.
Sueezee1 2 months ago
@MatthewWarner says: I have a right certain freedom, for example, up to the point that it infringes or takes away somebody else's freedom.
~~~~~~~~~~~ A fetus isnt a "somebody else"... insinuating another person. NO infringment! Im really getting bored with you. This is like a an engineer talking to a person who wants to use duct tape in place of rivets in bridge building!
Sueezee1 2 months ago
@Sueezee1 Uhm, that's the point. From the moment of conception there is a "somebody else." Whether you want to admit it or not. Science has overwhelmingly verified this.
Also, I am actually an engineer.
Also also, if you're bored then stop writing. No need to tell me. Have a great one!
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
@MatthewWarner It's actually an embryo when abortions are allowed to be done. Just cells and nothing else. It's not even called a fetus till the second trimester.
JesicaYesicaRosa 1 month ago
@JesicaYesicaRosa okay, pro-choice here, but please say the right things. Abortion is legal up to 24 weeks in the united states, but a lot of abortion clinics only do abortion up until 12 weeks. At 9 weeks the embryo becomes a fetus, and remains a fetus until it is born.
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@JesicaYesicaRosa Abortions are allowed in most states without any restrictions up until at least the 3rd trimester. And they are allowed with a few very loose and easily manipulated exceptions up until birth.
Also, we are all "Just cells". So I'm not sure what you're point is there.
MatthewWarner 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 Wow just wow. First off whey you say, dudududh says: we can see it and so can people you don't need to put the "says" second you outline the main point and argue about it when it's quite obvious our point has been varified. Abortion is genocide 2 out of every 8 babies this year were already aborted.
Face it abortion is murder and you're supporting it.
MrAwesomesauce101 1 month ago
@MatthewWarner says: But she (as with all of us) has no right to take the life of another human being.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Thats why she CAN abort. A fetus isnt a human being. Its illegal to kill human beings... (geez, sigh). I'm just about done here.
Sueezee1 2 months ago
@Sueezee1 You were once a fetus so therefore a fetus is a human being. Human beings have rights that didn't just spring from mid air but also made logical sense. Like don't kill, don't steal shit and don't abuse or neglect life. So therefore abortion is murder the fetus within a few weeks can already dream, have a spinal cord and it's own blood type. How would you like it if you were only three inches from birth and your mom decided to stick a needle in you and kill you!? Damn you're stupid.
MrAwesomesauce101 1 month ago
@MrAwesomesauce101 I was once a sperm and an egg, should masturbation and mestruation be illegal to then?
ittakesnogenius 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 Did you actually watch the video? Or did you just come here to debate people? An hour before a baby is born, it's still, *technically* a fetus, but I don't see what kind of sense it makes to say that a fetus is NOT a baby, when that same fetus could be born a week earlier, and, having been born, count as a baby... Why do a few inches and the presence of oxygen in its lungs determine whether or not it's a human being?
vidamia91 1 month ago
@vidamia91 says: I don't see what kind of sense it makes to say that a fetus is NOT a baby, when that same fetus could be born a week earlier, and, having been born, count as a baby..
~~~~~~~~~~ Are you serious? Baby...Fetus...who cares whats its called?? What an irrelevant comment!!
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 It is relevant because most people (*most* people) differentiate between a baby and a fetus, saying that it is acceptable to terminate a *fetus*, but not a *baby* that is already born...
vidamia91 1 month ago
@vidamia91 says: It is relevant because most people (*most* people) differentiate between a baby and a fetus, saying that it is acceptable to terminate a *fetus*, but not a *baby* that is already born...
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SO WHAT?? It cant change the law, it dosent matter, call it a train,a bus, a bird and it will still be legal. It IS irrelevant to EVERYTHING that pretains to abortion. Its just a comment that uneducated probirthers like to fling around because they thev nothing else.
Sueezee1 1 month ago
@Sueezee1 Why would you presume that I am uneducated? I don't presume you to be uneducated. I was simply clarifying terms that for social and psychological reasons are commonly used just as I used them now, "fetus" for pre-birth and "baby" for post-birth...
vidamia91 1 month ago
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Sueezee1 1 month ago
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@vidamia91 I live in Ireland where abortion is illegal. This policy has done so much damage to good caring women that the Irish Catholic Church nolonger supports the ban on abortion.
prochoicecliniescort 1 month ago
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@vidamia91 says: Why do a few inches and the presence of oxygen in its lungs determine whether or not it's a human being?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A human being is a person with rights. How would we give fetuses, that are cocooned inside another's body, any rights? We must wait until birth. So, what do YOU think SHOULD be the defining moment of human beingdom, and explain why.
Sueezee1 1 month ago
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@MatthewWarner, you're wasting your time despite your quality writing & the solid reasoning of your argument. Suezee1 is one of a handful of oddballs whose opinions are copious & overrepresented in DOZENS of videos relating, in any way, to the abortion issue. They completely disregard the 500-character limit, the reason that it exists, the rights of other users by posting comments remotely related to a vid over & over & over again. They want it to seem like all utube is pro-bort.
FlyUnicornsFly 1 month ago
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@2mfighter says: before a women can tell she's pregnant the heart, spine, and liver are already developed. That is a valid argument
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It is NO argument!!! "development" has NOTHING to do with the issue of legal abortion. Its about rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade
Sueezee1 2 months ago
@lahswe21 Exactly, thank you. This also shows that society is practically mostly (Around 51% are pro-life) in favor of forcing a girl to do something against her will...when it a lot of cases ISN'T her fault and imposes risks on her.
OOOPwnedOOO 2 months ago
There is so much scientific evidence that proves the child is a completely separate entity to the mother. You can justify it however you want to, but the fact remains that the mother has a child within her and to abort is to kill that child. That unborn child has a heartbeat, thinks, sucks its thumb, shows emotion and is human in every way. "Pro-choice" simple means you are for the mother doing whatever she wants and nobody else having any choice.
masterpeacehomes 2 months ago
PLEASE READ: NOT HATE.
Actually, it would not be legal to abort the baby at that point. "Partial birth abortion" is illegal, unless the mother's life is in danger, which is very uncommon. And anyway, at 9 months gestation, the baby is wanted. Everyone acts like most abortions are preformed right when she's ready to be born, but the fact of the matter is most abortions are done before 8 weeks in the pregnancy. It is incredibly tiny and unidentifiable at that point. Please stop!
dancer8164 2 months ago
@dancer8164 There is nothing hateful about this video. So you must be referring to some other comments or something.
Additionally, your facts aren't entirely correct. Pls read the info under the video.
Finally, if it's morally wrong to kill a baby right before birth at 9 months, why is it okay to kill the baby at any point in the life of the child prior? That's what logically follows from the primary point of the vid. The value of a child's life does not depend on how wanted they R. Sorry.
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
@MatthewWarner Sorry if i was unclear, I meant that my comment was not trying to be hateful! Do you know anyone that would willingly carry a baby to term for 9 months, then just as its ready to be born, kill it?! That's crazy, no one in their right mind would do it.
The ban on late term abortions was all about the compromise. Most people are generally okay with abortion when its microscopic, and generally opposed to it when the baby is very developed.
dancer8164 2 months ago
@dancer8164 Babies are born & survive much sooner than 9 mos (like as early as 4-5 mos). So 9 months is not necessarily the age being discussed when talking about "just born". Additionally, babies are only "microscopic" for a matter of days after conception. By the time a woman typically finds out she is pregnant and arranges for an abortion the baby usually has a heartbeat and or most of its organs, etc.
Even still, who has the right to decide that ANY baby should die no matter how developed?
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
@MatthewWarner A fetus surviving at 4 months?! That seems highly unlikely But you're right, at 8 weeks, and embryo is about ½ an inch long, not microscopic. Anyway, even if an embryo/fetus was a person, it still wouldn't have the right to use my body against my will. It's like forcing someone to donate their organs, not cool.
dancer8164 2 months ago
@dancer8164 No offense, but it's also "not cool" to kill other human lives against their will. Your will is exercised when you engage in activity (sex) that has the potential to create a new human life. So you have a moral obligation to not kill the baby. The only exception to that is with rape, which means the mother is a victim. Turning the baby into a second victim by killing them is not moral, nor does it make anything better for mother or baby. It's nothing like donating organs, by the way.
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
@MatthewWarner So engaging in sex is wrong, because you might get pregnant, right? Just like driving a car is bad because you might get in an accident?! Procreating is not the only reason for having sex. So you allow abortion in cases of rape, but not in cases of saving the potential person from a horrible life? Your logic seems extremely flawed. And it is very much like donating organs, forcing someone to do something with their body against their will.
dancer8164 2 months ago
@dancer8164 uhm, pls read what i said. I said if you engage in sex you have a moral obligation to deal with the fact a new human life could be created. Sex is beautiful when done properly (ie within the safe bounds of a permanent life long relationship). And R U sayin it's okay to kill somebody as long as it saves somebody else from a horrible life? A baby has its own body. It's not an organ. There are two bodies involved. It's not ok to kill one bc the other doesn't like it.
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
@MatthewWarner Who decides another persons moral obligations? You?? And do you also decide when sex is proper and improper? I think you need to take a look at what you're saying. You are trying to control other peoples lives which simply is not right. A fetus is not a person. Did you know? And actually, I should say embryo, since it's an embryo when most abortions are preformed. Even though there are two bodies involved, you can't ignore the fact that you are forcing someone else to be pregnant.
dancer8164 2 months ago
@dancer8164 Nope not me. I don't decide any of it. Doesn't mean they don't exist though. I have absolutely no desire to control people's lives. And it's pretty unfair and unfounded to make such an accusation.
A fetus/embryo is a human life. This is scientific fact - not my opinion. Who r u to decide who is worthy of living and dying? Who r u to decide if u or anyone else can end another human life?
Embryos have all major body parts and a beating heart at 8 wks. MOST abortions occur after that.
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
@dancer8164 And this is just getting silly. I'm not "forcing" anyone to be pregnant anymore than I forced the mother and father to engage in the act that created their child. I AM, however, trying to protect their child from being killed.
I'm not ignoring the fact that saving an unborn child's life means (in most cases) the mother remaining pregnant. I'm just saying that just because another human life happens to depend on her for shelter and food doesn't mean she has the right to kill him/her.
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
@MatthewWarner So how is rape different? Do you seriously think abortion should be outlawed, unless it was rape? How would you be able to prove that it was indeed rape? I do not deny that a fetus/embryo is human life. Are you saying it's wrong to kill any life? If so, you must believe all women are serial killers for having a menstrual period. And against eating meat, and hunting......
dancer8164 2 months ago
@dancer8164 I already answered you about rape. You must have missed it above. abortion is NOT okay EVEN in the case of rape. Why would the fact that you or I were conceived in a rape make it okay to kill us? The baby is an innocent bystander to a violent crime. That doesn't mean you can kill them.
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
@dancer8164 And can you please tell me what distinguishes between a "human life" and a "person"? And why? And then why one "has rights" and the other we can kill at will?
And u need to study ur biology. Menstrual periods r not human lives. They are unfertilized eggs. There's a HUGE biological difference. If you want to learn more, read the blog post I link to under the video. And in the case of natural miscarriage, there is a HUGE moral difference bc it is natural and not caused by the mother.
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
@MatthewWarner I'm a girl, I know what a period is. I think we realize where we both stand on this. You are for forcing women to remain pregnant no matter what the situation, and you continue to call an embryo a child, when it is merely a potential person. Good bye, and thank you for your interesting arguments.
dancer8164 2 months ago
@MatthewWarner An embryo is indeed human life, it is not a person, however. It does not have the same rights you and I have. You're right, I am most definitely NOT in the place to decide if a woman will abort or not, and neither are you! It is entirely the woman's decision. And actually, 90% of abortions occur before 12 weeks. It doesn't matter if it has a heart beat, organs, or fingernails for that matter. If something or someone is using my body against my will, it's going to get out.
dancer8164 2 months ago
@dancer8164 You said "You are trying to control other peoples lives which simply is not right." Killing another person is not right. Using the words "Fetus" or "embryo" is a convenient excuse for doing what suits you. When is a fetus not a fetus - ten minutes before birth? A week before birth? Who are you to decide that any child is a fetus and therefore dispensible? The fact is that many children are aborted much, much later than you claim. Have the honesty to check it out.
colnunn 2 months ago
@dancer8164 The fact is that thousands of children are being sacrificed upon the altar of convenience. All who defend or take part in the practice are guilty of murder just as surely as if they had killed the child immediately after birth. You that argue for child-murder are wrong, and a disgrace to the human race. Of course, you'll go into a rage at me for speaking truth. Well so be it. Live with your guilt. colnunn
colnunn 2 months ago
@dancer8164 I was unclear regarding rape. Let me rephrase. I was saying the only exception "to a mother (and father) WILLFULLY engaging in an act that has potential to produce a new human life - is where rape is involved. That's all. If you choose 2 have sex (ie a new human life could be created), you have a moral obligation to, among other things, not kill that child after you create them. EVEN IF a child results from a rape, tho, it doesn't mean anyone has the right to kill the innocent baby.
MatthewWarner 2 months ago
@dancer8164 You simpily force someone not to kill!!!!!!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover You also simply force someone to carry an unwanted pregnancy, regardless of her health or environment. You people make me sick. Tell me you have never eaten a cheeseburger. Yeah, thats killing a life! Ssave teh baybee cowzzz!!!
dancer8164 2 months ago
@dancer8164 Circumstances don`t justisfy murder, hamburgers don`t kill other humans!!!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover Humans are superior, is that what you're saying? So it's okay to kill any other species except for humans. God chose us right?? hahahah i just dont understand youre logic.
dancer8164 2 months ago
@dancer8164 No because humans are an intelegent species and because we humans have free will, morality, and memories. Also we have a loyalty towards our species, by your logic killing humans is wrong!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@MatthewWarner ........You are right, every CHILD is valuable! That's why every mother should be a willing mother, and make sure every child she has is wanted and cared for! Forcing someone to be pregnant is torture. An embryo is not a person, and thats just a fact. And most abortions are preformed when it's an embryo. What part of my previous statement was not factual?
dancer8164 2 months ago
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Ward Kischer, PhD, Human Embryologist, University of Arizona, College of Medicine, says "Every human embryologist in the world knows that the life of the new individual human being begins at fertilization, it is not a belief, it is a scientific fact." watch "When does life begin?" on YouTube. Get the facts, choose LIFE!
JaneRoe1984 2 months ago
PRO-CHOICE TO SAVE WOMENS LIVES.
PALOMITA694 2 months ago
Funny how all those that are pro-choice have already been born.
And they think it is ok to deny the right to life to others that they had.
ekajeht 2 months ago
@ekajeht You make it sound so shallow and simple but it isn't. Life is not worth the taking away of someone else's life or their rights, or their value, or pretending a woman doesn't exist during a pregnancy if it puts her at risk. It's like you think it's already been born, and is being carried around in a basket, not inside of one woman and affecting her life so deeply.
If you had to choose between a woman you knew/loved, and an embryo that put her at risk, which loss hurts more?
rubyzoom2 2 months ago
@rubyzoom2
Less than .001 % of abortions are performed to save the mothers life.
So what about the other 99.999% that just murder an innocent life ?
ekajeht 2 months ago
"She is a human being a not a choice." Yeah. Neither was that under-age girl that got raped, and possibly, impregnated. Not only are the risks of giving birth that young higher, but it might also be too expensive to care for! Even if you put it up for adoption, it still would have affected the young mother's life greatly and had even killed her or the baby if the risks won. Also, the baby would have had to be a few MONTHS younger. Not minutes before birth. Abortion has a limit...
OOOPwnedOOO 3 months ago 11
@OOOPwnedOOO you do realize that only 1% of abortions happen because of rape or incest...
bribelle24 2 months ago
@bribelle24 Well, that's 1% of women that will have their rights taken away, still! Also, even if it WASN'T rape or incest, and a mistake, if the girl is underage, then the risks of pregnancy are so much higher...even if the woman is an adult, it should STILL be her choice; not being forced to go with it! Also, (A less radical point of view for anti-abortion) there is also the argument for a 12-day abortion period. Within 12 days of impregnation, life has not started- it's only cells.
OOOPwnedOOO 2 months ago
@OOOPwnedOOO Exactly, and they don't abort babies, they abort embryos, which is NOT the same as a baby... let alone a human life..
I can't stand these pro-life people, caring for the unborn child without knowing any of the facts, meanwhile, many already born babies and kids are dying of starvation and thirst and poverty and disease.. why don't they help those kids :S oh yeah right, pro-life people also have a choice: they choose not to help third-world-babies, which -to me- is also 'murder' :\
natjaa 2 months ago
@natjaa Exactly! Thank you for your point.
OOOPwnedOOO 2 months ago
@natjaa Embryos are humans or are you saying they are crocodiles????
freewilllover 2 months ago
@OOOPwnedOOO The odds of a young mother dying during child birth are greatly exaggerated, especially in North America, where we have the technology and medical knowledge to prevent this from happening in most cases. In most third world countries, however, what you're arguing is a reality. The solution to this problem is not investing more many in abortion in these countries; it is investing more money in healthcare and providing adequate contraceptives to these women.
mcrluvr222 2 months ago
@OOOPwnedOOO so it is ok to punish the child because of the crimes of the father?
Rafdaganga 2 months ago
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@Rafdaganga says: it is ok to punish the child because of the crimes of the father?
~~~~~~~~~ There is NO "child" and abortion isnt a punishment.
Sueezee1 2 months ago
@Rafdaganga Is it fair to punish the living mother though instead of the unborn mass of cells? A less radical point of view for Pro-Life is the "12-day rule." 12 days after conception, life has factually not started yet. It is a mass of cells. So why punish the mother when it can be avoided without killing? If the girl is underage, the risks are higher. Also, what if the family is financially unstable and not able to support the baby? Too many factors for this right to be taken away from women.
OOOPwnedOOO 2 months ago 2
Well, to answer your question, I'm pro-choice. I'm not in favor of late term abortions though, unless of course it puts the mother in physical danger.
deepstarsix 3 months ago
Someone kill that damn baby, I can't look at it!!!
lJohnnyTheFoxl 3 months ago
better abortion then endless hell
SuperAsi666 3 months ago
As a guy, this is so hard for me to choose, and that is why I choose not to take a stand on it. I am a male and I don't have any children, so what does my opinion matter? Women are the ones who have to deal with being pregnant and child-rearing when the baby is born. Most men want to take a position on this when half the time they can just up and leave on a whim if they want. At the same time, if women did not want to get pregnant, then they need to get birth control pills or not have sex.
bshainhunter 3 months ago
@bshainhunter I sympathize with what you're saying, but look at it this way. Before the Civil War, we had slavery in America. White people had no reason to care about black suffering, because slavery didn't affect them at all. But you would feel a moral obligation as a human being to stop slavery, wouldn't you?
You see, when we use the argument of "It doesn't affect me", that really is irrelevant. What matters is that you are a human being with a conscience, and abortion is murder. Period.
gotgame292 3 months ago
@bshainhunter Unborn babies are both female and male. Regardless of their gender, they deserve to not be killed. They are individual, unique human lives with all the inherent value and owed dignity that any human being has.
As @gotgame292 said, it's not all about you or about men who shirk their responsibilities. It's about protecting ALL human life, most especially the most innocent and weakest among us.
MatthewWarner 3 months ago
@MatthewWarner You make a valid point but I still don't have a position on the issue. I can can see both sides quite clearly and it is hard for me to choose a side on this topic.
bshainhunter 3 months ago
America : Where it is legal and widely accepted to murder, even the innocent. Lord have mercy
2010JESUSLovesYou 3 months ago
@thelordisgayandmerry the Constitution states that all people have the right to life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.. People die because living forever was just not in our gene pools..also naturally occurring deaths have nothing to do with our rights...and murder is a person taking someone's right to live away..people do not have the right to take life away which is basically enforcing that murder of any kind is bad..and we don't ignore other countries who's rights are not respected..I k
quillbaby77 3 months ago
GAAAAH i am so torn between the two sides of this issue. i think it's very hard for anyone to reach a solid decision.
iluvsims288 3 months ago
@iluvsims288 im 100% pro choice..not that hard for me
redbutterflygarden 3 months ago
pro-choice all the way.
shockoflogic 3 months ago
I'm an atheist and I find it really hard to justify abortion except in the most extreme cases but I've never spoken to an ardent pro-choicer before either.
ihavekankles 3 months ago
Dammit more misleading bullshit from prolifers this why i cant even take you seriously when you spread propaganda no facts. Most abortions takes place withing the 1st trimester when the fetus doesnt have any organs and cannot feel pain. only 1% of abortions happen after 21 weeks. and most of those are to save the life of the mother. The prolifers always show pictures of babies and try and use propaganda tactics to arouse angry into people thats why radical prolifers are shooting up hospitals
animejerk05 3 months ago
@animejerk05 It's not meant to be misleading at all. Nor is it meant to be strictly emotional. In fact, everything stated in the video is fact. And it's not about what percentage of abortions take place at what time. It's a principled and philosophical argument. It's not made to arouse shooting. It's made to arouse thought about why one second a baby is allowed to be legally killed (in the womb) and the next second (after leaving the womb) they no longer can be? It's ridiculous and illogical.
MatthewWarner 3 months ago
@MatthewWarner The difference is a soul You are not considered alive unless you have a soul or a brain if your not religious A scientist can take 1 million eggs from one woman and one million sperm cells from one man and created 1 million zygote cells Are they all alive in your book Should a woman have millions of babies cause she have millions of eggs abortion may be ok in one matter not not allowed in another because at some point a fetus devolops a soul thats the deciding factor not minutes
animejerk05 3 months ago
@animejerk05 From a legal standpoint, ensoulment is not a factor at all. And even from a moral standpoint, ensoulment is a difficult argument to make. And of course is entirely separate from the scientific standpoint. From a scientific standpoint, an egg is just an egg. Once conception occurs, however, there is a unique, distinct and self-directing human life present. Size of that human life does not matter. How many cells make up that human life does not matter. It's a human life.
MatthewWarner 3 months ago
@MatthewWarner when i meant ensoulment i actually meant having a brain and being able to fell pain but your wrong scientists have already stated that there is no proof whats so ever biologically that at the exact moment of conception that a zygote cell meets the criteria of being considered a person Personhood at conception is a religious belief not a provable biological fact There nothing wrong in
getting an abortion within the first two trimesters If thats what the woman wants a choice
animejerk05 3 months ago
@animejerk05 You're all over the map. "personhood" is not a scientific distinction at all. What I stated from a biological and scientific standpoint is absolutely true and it's established science at that. And you are also inconsistent as a human can feel pain within the first two trimesters. And the brain is formed and in use very early on in human development. More on the science on my blog, FallibleBlogma. Or you can google "When does science say human life begins" to find my blog post.
MatthewWarner 3 months ago
@animejerk05 And even still, brain function & pain reception are relatively arbitrary points of "personhood." If I am brain dead, does that mean I'm no longer a human life? Of course I still am. If I am completely numb & can't feel any pain, does that mean I'm no longer a human life? Of course I still am. Those things don't define what is human, nor do they define what is "alive." These are biological definitions that are clear. Pls check your science. New human life is created at fertilization.
MatthewWarner 3 months ago
@MatthewWarner anyone who is brain dead is considered dead and taking off the respirator. But thats besides the point New human life isnt created at fertilization A single celled zygote have no componets in it that would suggest its a full human being that have rights over the mother. The debate over when life offically starts is on going and debatable.
animejerk05 3 months ago
@animejerk05 I wasn't clear about brain dead. My point is that it's still a human. Whether they are alive still or not is actually a more complex circumstantial point. But as you said, it's beside the point. It's an arbitrary distinction. Again, your position keeps shifting. A new human life is indeed created at fertilization. A zygote has ALL the components to suggest and define it as a separate, distinct, self-directing human life. This is in every decent embryology text book.
MatthewWarner 3 months ago
@animejerk05 Additionally, nobody said the baby had rights over the mother. So you're setting up straw man arguments here to make your muddy point. I'm simply advocating the nobody has the right "over" the baby to take his/her life directly and intentionally.
MatthewWarner 3 months ago
@MatthewWarner You cant have things both ways mate. If you believe the embryo have rights and you also believe the mother also have rights in regard to child birth then someone is going to have to give. A mother cant have the right over her body and an embryo the right to life at the same time.
animejerk05 3 months ago
@animejerk05 I don't follow your logic. Just because the way new human beings happen to come about is to first grow inside of another human being (our mother) doesn't mean we both don't have a right to life.
You have a right to own property. But it stops when it tries to make ME that property. U have a right to drive a car. But that right stops when it means driving over me and killing me. A mother has a right to her body, but she does not have rights over the body inside of her. Very simple.
MatthewWarner 3 months ago
@MatthewWarner thats bull crap there no proof personhood starts at conception anyways. There are lots of morally and logical reasons in which a mother should be allowed to have an abortion. Maybe she was raped and dont want to go through the mental suffering of being forced to have her rapist child. Maybe she is judaist or another religion that believes that life starts at birth not conception. A women that is terminally sick and that needs or an abortion or will die.
animejerk05 3 months ago
@animejerk05 A woman that doesnt want to give birth to a sick child that will suffer its entire life. A woman that doesnt want any children wahats so ever that uses condoms and other forms of birth control every single day. Since there not 100% there a slim chance they can fail. A woman that never had any intention of being a mother shouldnt be force to carry a child. Whatever the reason neither you or the government should have the right to force a woman to carry a child for what ever reason
animejerk05 3 months ago
@animejerk05 AMEN.
futurejockey8 3 months ago
@animejerk05 The exact point the sperm hits the egg a child or fetus (young one) is formed and begins to grow. If you have gone through biology you would know this. And in the small percentage that a woman does get pregnant after being raped does not mean that she should end her childs life because of the sins of the father.
0Gabbathehut0 3 months ago