Who cares about black belt? I am 3rd kyu brown belt in shotokan and I have been training since 1999 and I dont play around. I also practise judo to get some grappling experience. Karate is in your head and heart, not in the stupid belt.
@fischerrrrrr damn right. Belts are used too much to be a source of "i'm better than you" rather than an actual source of indicating skill. I only obtained my low brown in shotokan, but i've beaten the shit out of several black belts in both that and other styles, and i've been tossed on my ass by some BJJ white belts before i started training BJJ as well.
anyone talking about getting a black belt in shotokan in less than 6 years is at a mcdojo or paying extra money to a corrupt grader lol... shotokan is one of the most detail-oriented and disciplined arts there is. you cannot truly master it unless you practice 4+ times a week for at least 6 if not 7 or 8 years...
It took me 6 years to get mine..and I am 22 years old.........Shotokan is hard work. It took me 6 years. I started with my gran uncle at 13 and when I got to 17 I joined the scool. U need to practice everyday.I love it.
having done shotokan for quite a while, i can honestly say the only thing i hate about the style are the demos. They show unrealistic situations with people attacking in unrealistic manners (no one swings a 3 foot long stick in a downward motion like that...really now), as well as no one lunges at you from 10 feet away with a lunge punch, it's just not going to happen, and i can attest to that having had to use the style more then once in real world situations. Other then that...shotokan ftw!
@allah211 they are not white belts actually. They are wearing white belt just for the competition.One is wearing white(shiro) and other one is wearing red (aka)
i am a second kue brown belt in illinois shotokan karate. it is very tiring when you get to be a green belt and above and once you get to about my level the kumite (sparring) training my sensais have given me i can see using in a real fight. plus karate is international, a good example is me talking to you about it right now and the english guy talking about it. its not just some crap you learn from a guy in a studio in a stip mall. hope this helps
I just wish I could have trained with these true shotokan legends. Even the best I see now are poor imitations of the real power that these clips show. Thank God we still have such film to remind us of the power that real shotokan is capable of delivering.
Im not a Karate Practitioner - but in Gichin Funakoshi's book - he stated that the breaking for bricks was not true Karate - the book is "Karate do -my way of life" pages 7-11 - Any thoughts on this?
its was documented that Funakoshi didn't really believe there should be different sects of Karate and found it to be a much stronger force as a united school - yet again I'm no practitioner of the art, I just find it a little stale watching board breaking contents when karate should start and end with etiquette and not be about 'macho' shoot showboating.
i have study shotokan 8 years....i was a nation champion.....u cant hit with ur knee and elbow....in tournaments...here if u want to win u have to be faster then ur oponent....u can hit him in the face...but not with ur know elbow or head....and so on so on....
Did you get the English language karate-chopped out of your brain? Also, if you were a national champion with only eight years of study, either your country sucks for karate or you are some kind of karate genius.
tanooki,all the karate-do practitioners are trained to finish the fight in just one hit,in shotokan,theorically,there can't be more than one hit in a fight,because,we think that,we have only one chance to kill our opponent,so we use all of our strenght to finish the battle in the first hit ,that's how us karate-kas think.
our hands,legs,feet,and everything we have,are trained to it's limit to become a mortal weapon,just like a samurai sword that kills in only one slice.
but of course,there are all those karate's championship,but championships aren't the real Karate-do,most of the championships the competitioners have to use gloves,they keep jumping the how batle,that's not Karate-do,that's some king of olympic karate,they don't have any of the karate-kas spirit,and will.
Great with that kumite, but why don't they protect their faces better? Would a western boxing defence be to unkarate even though it would improve their fighting ability a lot?
Maybe in the american "dream" style shotokan you can reach black belt in 3 years or less, but in the traditional japanese way even if you good should practice over years at least 5-6 to get it becuase practice necessary to be good in karate. (I have avarage skills in this style for almost 7 years and I have "just" 1 kyu yet, but I know if one they I will have the black belt, I earned it.)
That's very true. It took me 5 years to reach my black belt in Shotokan, even when I was being very good and very constant in my training. I did my black belt test under a japanese Sensei called Hiroshi Ishikawa (7° degree black belt). American schools that give you a black belt in less than 4 years would never pass an intense test with a japanese Sensei.
yeah lots of people literally just scramble through the belts as fast as possible but i am starting shotokan karate soon and i will be "learning" the techniques like you are doing.
@Viscohu haha i'm going to respond to this comment even though it's 2 years old. The only people who get black belts in shotokan in 3 years are from absolute garbage schools. The fastest guy to get black belt in the school i used to attend got it in 6 years, and that's only because he was a damn prodigy. Ignore idiots like that saying yuo can get it that soon, because if it's authentic, there's no feasible way heh. Did you ever end up getting your black belt? :)
i'm from the K.U.G.B shotokan and gained my 1st dan in 3 years and it was sensei sherry and brennan who graded me.. i was 13 at the time, your wrong in your comments about crap clubs if you gain 1st dan in 3 years, i think its you who needs to change clubs
Everyone develops at a different rate. I have been in Shotokan since the 60's and have seen people never reach black belt level, while others did it in 3 years...and even a few in less but those were exceptions.
I would find a school that has a more practical approach to teaching, unless you are interested in sport only. Try The Shingitai group in Kent, UK.if you are anywhere close.
The people in this video are quite impressive though. They are hard core.
I am currently a nidan (second degree black belt) and I am just letting you know from personal experience that shotokan is practical and a great martial art to learn to defend yourself, at least the traditional Shotokan Karate-do. You've got to be careful about the sporty kind.. but if you find a good traditional dojo, you will learn great things. Someone dumb idiot tried to mug me at knife point and i smashed his nose and incapacitated him within 6 secs.. so i know it works :)
Shotokan is discipline, strengthening both your mind, body and spirit at the same time and one of the most effective practical martial arts on this planet.
I'd go for an JKA dojo with the hardest trainings/most traditional trainings. if you live near London I'd say give it a shot to become the student of sensei Kawasoe, doubt that he'll be taking new students since of his status(who wouldn't want to be taught by an legend like him) but you never know.
am not a fan of people getting black belts really fast OR "junior" black belts. they quite clearly have not obtained the amount of knowledge needed to obtain a black belt. also kumite is shit now a days. there is no form and the actual defense? lol there isn't any. people stand there and get punched in there face just so they can get a hit in.
I was in Shotokan Karate for 4 years and I got my black belt in 3. I did good in tournies Im not going to lie but I honestly think once your in it for 6+ years thats when it becomes like breathing. Some things can be known like the back of your hand but karate becomes like breathing after a while. I might get back into it but its been 5 years so imagine if I was still in it. Im going back tho to work on my Nidan
that is very surprising that you got your black so soon. In my dojo there are very strict requirements and you would have to do karate for at least six years to get your black belt. I personally trained for the past 12 years and i was offered black belt. but when looking at the people that have been doing this for 40+years, i refused the offer because i believe i have much growing to do, not just in technique, but in the perfection of character.
It can never become like breathing to me because each time i train, i focus on a new part to train on, sometimes its a punch, a kick, or simply a physical aspect like strength in a punch, speed in a punch, or find a new approach to a technique. I don't know, but in my opinion 6+ years is nothing. 40+ years is nothing. it takes a lifetime. so pardon me for saying that your accomplishment in this style does not impress me in the slightest.
I once heard that in 'feudal' Japan, Karate started out with white belt. After years of toil and practice, gradually, their white belt would get dirty with dust and sweat. After so long, it would become so dirty, it was almost black. Black is an accomplishment that should take a lifetime to truly succeed in. I know a girl that is black belt but doesn't have sharp form, and can't remember some basic Kata. Black belt is the result of years of work and commitment.
the saying is you start out at white, this means your pure innocent, havent seen any hardships yet, then over the years you eventually wear it to brown, this means you have started to understand the basics, and are close to black, then when you get to black you have mastered the basics but the path continues.. thus eventually wearing back to innocence, back to white (faded black belts)
sum like 14 year old got there blakc belt at my school the other day NO WAY he sucks !!!! he cant even do kata right wtf??? i am embarrasted to even go to that school anymore its not my original school but theres none around here that teach traditional shotokan anymore. what is the 1st black belt kata? this school uses diferent belt system and a few other katas than what i am use to. they took a great martial arts and cheapend it.
i didn't mean it to sound offensive or anything, i just don't think that you or i have reached any type of accomplishment. there is just so much to learn. both physically and philosophically
wow, you are actually quite wise, i try to increase peoples knowledge of diciplen and to rid themselves of ignorence, but i see that you have alot of wisdome. i hope to be like what ive seen in this aspect of your personality. and btw i think the same as you. my sensai doesnt even really believe in belts, in my dojo it just means you have more responsibility. ive been in shotokan karate for about a year and i just got my yellow belt two days ago. it makes me more dedicated to get better. osu
As a Practising Karateka for 25yrs and still only hold the grade of 1st dan i think it comes down to what the individual wants to gain from Karate.instead of grading to 2nd Dan after a lay off i regraded to prove i was still worth the grade. 1st dan is still the begining of the advanced stages of karate where understanding begins and you start to be unconciously competent.But its a shame that we do focus now on gain from grade other than from full meaning and realisation of what Karate is. oss
Shotokan is tough alota the stuff I've learned is simple in theory but difficult to master. Powerful style. I like to combine it with my TKD training since the two go well together, to me anyway. Anyone here cross train in any particuliar styles?
A Shotokan black belt is supposed to be BY FAR the hardest to obtain. Most people say 10 to 12 years. The fact that you are getting one so soon very much resembles the "fast food" black belts of Tae Kwon Do and other gimmics
I'm still RESPECTFULLY sticking with what I said. Young and Athletic? I just finished my Division IA football career for a top 30 University so I'm plenty young and athletic...I had to delay my advancement during those years I was playing, which is unfortunate
Back in the day ... when I trained in Shotokan .. 3.5 years was normal. This was in the 70's, when you advanced according to merit, not according to how much money you paid.
1st DAN is awarded to someone who has the appropriate knowledge and skill. It's like a college degree. At this point the Karateka should begin to progress individually - research techniques and kata, refine his skills etc. That's why some say that achieving 1st DAN is only the beginning of real Karate training.
Getting it is hard too. I have people in my dojo who have been training for over 6 years but they're still 1st Kyu. They feel they're not ready.
Many Karate clubs more or less give away black belts to students who think they've done enough already.
Black belt in 2-3 years? 5 years? It's by far not enough to become a master! In the old days black meant master, white meant student.
In my style and club it takes 10-15 years to get a 1 Dan Black Belt, training at least 3 times a week. By then, if you haven't quit, you should have the true understanding, what Karate is all about.
Many Karate clubs more or less give away black belts to students who think they've done enough already.
Black belt in 2-3 years? 5 years? It's by far not enough to become a master! In the old days black meant master, white meant student.
In my style and club it takes 10-15 years to get a 1 Dan Black Belt, training at least 3 times a week. By then, if you haven't quit, you should have the true understanding, what Karate is all about.
yes, you are speaking truth. the way you train sounds like the way i do. so im not even focused on my belt anymore but wat i know. the belt is just to help your teacher rank you. Karate comes from within
yes, you are speaking truth. the way you train sounds like the way i do. so im not even focused on my belt anymore but wat i know. the belt is just to help your teacher rank you. Karate comes from within
yes, you are speaking truth. the way you train sounds like the way i do. so im not even focused on my belt anymore but wat i know. the belt is just to help your teacher rank you. Karate comes from within
Exactly my point. Hate when people brag with "I have black belt in Karate" or any other martial art.
Black belt doesn't mean a shit if you don't deserve it. In competitions I've won over black belts, and they aren't that cocky when they have to take that black belt on again, losing to a purple belt student!
It might sound cool, but when you end up in a situation and you can't do a shit because of your 3 years of training, I hope you realize.
A martial art that takes 15 years to become moderately good at--which is all a 1st dan signifies--has got some serious problems. If it takes that long, they are doing something wrong.
Not really, the longer it takes to learn, the more technique lies in the martial art.
Take Boxing as an example, you pump your strength and after just a year you're suddenly a much better fighter than you were before. Not very much technique in it.
I felt comfortable with karate after 5 years, that's when I passed the line, and would use Karate rather than "normal" punches and grappling in a situation.
I practice Shito-Ryu, which is one of the four big styles of tradition Karate. It's more like Shotokan than like Kyukushin. By training at least 2 times a week you should reach:
Absolutely. It is not the belt that makes you a true master of the arts. It makes me livid when some schools give 4 and 5 year olds black belts. Martial Arts is an attitude... a lifestyle. Not a belt.
I train in shotokan and goju ryu and rolling is important. If you are a black belt and cannot roll then I would wipe the floor with you. Especially in a street fight. someone slams you what are you gonna do? fly away?
As long as you feel you are improving then it the belt doesn't matter. If your sensei has higher standards, consider yourself fortunate, because that means you have a good teacher who believes in earning the belt instead of meaningless handout. I admit that 8 years is a long time though...You may want to ask him if there is something you should work on at home, and then, actually work on it.
The knowlage isn't "in" your belt, it's in your head. 8 years is indeed a pretty long time, but with that comes much training and knowledge. So consider yourself lucky not to have a sensei that just throw away belts to everyone. :)
You are right, but I so wish to have black belt. If I sometimes say that I train karate for 8 years everybody expect that I have bleck belt or brown belt and when I answer No haven't, I have only purple belt everybody thinks that I loaf about and I don't train hard... But I really do. Maybe I should train more. I have just returned from karate class. We practised kata, tomorrow will be kumite for 2 hours. I am looking forward to it :-)
Hehe it will come with with time ^^ Also just returned from class, had Bunkai from the basai sho kata, aslo had kata training. Great fun and I love it. Do you train in England or where?
you are doing it the right way, and could probably walk through these guys that are saying you can do it in so short a time. congrats on your progress thus far.
The only bad part o the video was between 3:59 and 4:01... why the hell did he did a judo/parkour roll? I am a Shotokan blackbelt and I can tell you that karate shotokan NEVER teaches you how to roll!
Are you? I have been doing Shotokan for 2 years now and we do ukemi (breakfalls/rolls) from time to time. They aren't as useless as some people think.
YES I AM. I studied Shotokan for more than 7 years, dude. I was trained by the SKIF, and I went two seminars given by Sensei Kanazawa, plus another 2 with Sensei Ishikawa. I don't know who is training you, but I am sure that your sensei is teaching his students at his very personal way.
I'm sure sensei Kanazawa knows how to roll. ;] It's not like rolling is "forbidden" or anything. My sensei was also a Judo practitioner as well so he teaches ukemi and throws from time to time. I don't think this extra stuff makes me a weaker fighter, does it? Funakoshi himself befriended Jigoro Kano and added some Judo to his Shotokan curriculum.
I know that Funakoshi added some Judo to his style, and of course that knowing how to roll doesn't make you weaker fighter, nor is forbbiden. What I wanted to mean is that, if you train Shotokan at the traditional way, they'll not teach you how to roll... may be after you are black belt, but not in your first days like in Judo (which is the first thing you learn in judo).
I wish Lyoto would do those moves in the UFC. So far, he just does the same leg sweep and it's getting boring. I want to see more moves like in this video. So far, Cung Le is the only entertaining fighter that does cool moves like this
This is very impressive, I started Shotokan about a month ago after I was done with TKD training, The Style is very powerful, I enjoy combining the two accordingly, but alone I feel Shotokan is overall better.
im not arguing with anyone ok, so, my opinion is, THATS WHY YOU ARE TRAINING YOUR KATA AND STUFF FOR "DEFENDING YOUR SELF" FROM ENEMIES, FROM ANY ATTACK THEY MAY DO. *ehem* im not mad..
one thing i like about this video is it illistrates the key principle of shotokan karate "ikanisatsu" which is "to kill with one blow". this is our kep principle in our style, figths should never be takent to the ground because the opponent should never get that far. and in this video no ground wrestling and stuff. impressive, this is why in shotokan karate we focus on just the reverse counter punch alone for years. osu!
the inability to fight on the ground is the weakness of Shotokan not its strength, because hardly anyone practising Shotokan can kill or just even KO with one blow
i ve been to more then a few of them and I can say that it is more an exception then the rule because first, it is a point system, you are not supposed to hit your opponent hard (you can get penalized for that) , you supposed to score, and, second, largely because the first reason karatekas dont practise KO opponents, however, they do learn how to hit hard. This is a paradox.
Nevertheless they CAN KO with one hit, especially people who don't concentrate on the sports side of Karate and train "for real". Shotokan is also good for self-defence, I know a few people who got out of some serious trouble with it.
You don't see Shotokan on the ring because of its peaceful philosophy but there are some "renegade fighters" in MMA like Maciej Gorski from Poland or Lyoto Machida from Brazil - and they're doing pretty well.
i have no doubt in my mind that there are good shotokan fighters. I practise shotokan myself. Read my original note plz: i was saying that for a well versed fighter ground work is important. Because as soon as you go to the ground with a grappler , you lose. You can do well in a street fight and all but shotokan is good for a long and medium distance, when you start wrestling with somebody ( even if you dont intent to ) shotokan is of little use.
That is true but Shotokan was never designed for MMA. Your average criminal isn't really keen on groundfighting. Sure, you'd lose agaist a grappler but will you get attacked by one? You don't see Judo/BJJ blackbelts mugging people in the street.
But if MMA is your goal then at least some BJJ experience is necessary I guess. Gorski beat the Polish MMA/KSW'06 Champion Jozwiak with only 6 months of BJJ training. He just kept escaping the ground and won the fight in stand-up.
this is great. i don't think the scenes taken from the movie, Bushido are of Shotokan Karateka, though. Does anyone know who the guy is who breaks the boards and the bottles? he's impressive.
He's super good in tameshi-wari and demonstrations, but it has nothing to do with real combat. Timing and ability to react fast are more important. Osu!
Who cares about black belt? I am 3rd kyu brown belt in shotokan and I have been training since 1999 and I dont play around. I also practise judo to get some grappling experience. Karate is in your head and heart, not in the stupid belt.
fischerrrrrr 8 months ago
@fischerrrrrr damn right. Belts are used too much to be a source of "i'm better than you" rather than an actual source of indicating skill. I only obtained my low brown in shotokan, but i've beaten the shit out of several black belts in both that and other styles, and i've been tossed on my ass by some BJJ white belts before i started training BJJ as well.
bloodriotiori 2 months ago
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fischerrrrrr 8 months ago
anyone talking about getting a black belt in shotokan in less than 6 years is at a mcdojo or paying extra money to a corrupt grader lol... shotokan is one of the most detail-oriented and disciplined arts there is. you cannot truly master it unless you practice 4+ times a week for at least 6 if not 7 or 8 years...
jpek919 8 months ago
It took me 6 years to get mine..and I am 22 years old.........Shotokan is hard work. It took me 6 years. I started with my gran uncle at 13 and when I got to 17 I joined the scool. U need to practice everyday.I love it.
TheRedman1988 1 year ago
Any one know any clubs in the north west uk?
rewind12354 1 year ago
having done shotokan for quite a while, i can honestly say the only thing i hate about the style are the demos. They show unrealistic situations with people attacking in unrealistic manners (no one swings a 3 foot long stick in a downward motion like that...really now), as well as no one lunges at you from 10 feet away with a lunge punch, it's just not going to happen, and i can attest to that having had to use the style more then once in real world situations. Other then that...shotokan ftw!
bloodriotiori 1 year ago
damn. some good white belts.....jk
allah211 2 years ago
@allah211 they are not white belts actually. They are wearing white belt just for the competition.One is wearing white(shiro) and other one is wearing red (aka)
fischerrrrrr 1 year ago
me too... when I see people's strenght I need a dose of my training :D what if my dojo isn't the best :D i LOVE IT!!!
savasavram 2 years ago
whats dojo? Im new to the karate world..Im planning to join karate shotokan academy.. what do you think about it..is it useful for a street fight?
metaljar02 2 years ago
a dojo is the place/hall where u train and be taught karate. and what do u mean dojo or shotokan gd in a street fight
nirvanak1234 2 years ago
I meant shotokan.. how is the training? do you really learn something worth it?
metaljar02 2 years ago
the trainin can be very tiring our stances are low and strong and yes u will learn alot
nirvanak1234 2 years ago
I see thanks! yeah hope to join soon.. Im in california and there is this "karate of america" academy that I might join..have you heard of them?
metaljar02 2 years ago
no i havn't, im from the uk so thats probs why, sorry
nirvanak1234 2 years ago
i am a second kue brown belt in illinois shotokan karate. it is very tiring when you get to be a green belt and above and once you get to about my level the kumite (sparring) training my sensais have given me i can see using in a real fight. plus karate is international, a good example is me talking to you about it right now and the english guy talking about it. its not just some crap you learn from a guy in a studio in a stip mall. hope this helps
allah211 2 years ago
only if you train the right way and give it your all. look at machina
tchkaine 2 years ago
do it at home!
What's the problem?
safarwan11 2 years ago
gd point lol
nirvanak1234 2 years ago
shotokan karate is still fast and brutal its only the training that got softer!
OSU
cant wait for training:)
LukeTheMighty 2 years ago
4.47 what a superb well skilled
buri2zaemon 2 years ago
I just wish I could have trained with these true shotokan legends. Even the best I see now are poor imitations of the real power that these clips show. Thank God we still have such film to remind us of the power that real shotokan is capable of delivering.
Dannyboyshotokan 2 years ago
espectacular demo
nanofive 2 years ago
Im not a Karate Practitioner - but in Gichin Funakoshi's book - he stated that the breaking for bricks was not true Karate - the book is "Karate do -my way of life" pages 7-11 - Any thoughts on this?
Seanuk 2 years ago
If the bricks and boards are broken, because tman thinks it will make him "stronger", than it's not true karate-do
Zinidatikazem2 2 years ago
I have just remembered. Does clips with breaking, are from movie, Budo The Art of Killing. It's Uechi-ryu karate, not Shotokan-ryu
Zinidatikazem2 2 years ago
its was documented that Funakoshi didn't really believe there should be different sects of Karate and found it to be a much stronger force as a united school - yet again I'm no practitioner of the art, I just find it a little stale watching board breaking contents when karate should start and end with etiquette and not be about 'macho' shoot showboating.
Seanuk 2 years ago
Absolutly super Karate-Demonstrations. Thanks.
karateqigongyoga 2 years ago
shotokan allow punch to the head an kyokushin dont. but the have wigthclass
sanddocon 2 years ago
thank god, a video that looks like karate..
DaiskDark 2 years ago
shoryuken
GRRAB 2 years ago
Are knee and elbow strikes allowed in shotokan tournaments?
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
Yes
BlueberrymyQuestion 3 years ago
Are you fucken serious!!!!!!!!
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
i have study shotokan 8 years....i was a nation champion.....u cant hit with ur knee and elbow....in tournaments...here if u want to win u have to be faster then ur oponent....u can hit him in the face...but not with ur know elbow or head....and so on so on....
suntoumbra 2 years ago
Well, it is true. Sport karate has indeed destroyed Shotokan. The good thing is that not all shotokan schools are sport oriented.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago 2
Like mine for instance....Very traditional....in South Australia, we strive to keep a great standard
AdnanCucak 2 years ago
Did you get the English language karate-chopped out of your brain? Also, if you were a national champion with only eight years of study, either your country sucks for karate or you are some kind of karate genius.
bonereater 2 years ago
tanooki,all the karate-do practitioners are trained to finish the fight in just one hit,in shotokan,theorically,there can't be more than one hit in a fight,because,we think that,we have only one chance to kill our opponent,so we use all of our strenght to finish the battle in the first hit ,that's how us karate-kas think.
our hands,legs,feet,and everything we have,are trained to it's limit to become a mortal weapon,just like a samurai sword that kills in only one slice.
lashdg 3 years ago
u mean karate-ka
Born2Fight4Life 2 years ago
but of course,there are all those karate's championship,but championships aren't the real Karate-do,most of the championships the competitioners have to use gloves,they keep jumping the how batle,that's not Karate-do,that's some king of olympic karate,they don't have any of the karate-kas spirit,and will.
lashdg 3 years ago 2
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lashdg 3 years ago
It's nice to see a shotokan video where the practitioners are actually fighting, and not stopping after one hit.
TanookiSauce 3 years ago
shotokan is the best karate!!!!!!!
bkballer2008 3 years ago
i have 6 kyu
canefoartemare 3 years ago
HADOUKEN
Yazoo111 3 years ago 2
interesting, most of the clips at the beginning in this vid are from "Budo: Art of Killing" (an old school movie)
skaplunk 3 years ago
4:46 is literally insane.
54spiritedwill54 3 years ago
? the bottle breaking? because that is insane ;)
noraac 3 years ago
松濤館流
copy and paste if your a member of the Shotokan nation and tell your rank right now im currently a 1st dan going for 2nd in April
bbhaz 3 years ago
some of these people (white belt for example) are total newbs like one of you said. Protect your frikin face! common sense
rank-!srt Dan for you newbs it means first degree black belt.
nealo91 3 years ago
松濤館流
copy and paste if your a member of the Shotokan nation and tell your rank right now im currently a brown belt
viper90988 3 years ago
i do shotokan!
yay 4 me
bbhaz 3 years ago 2
Great with that kumite, but why don't they protect their faces better? Would a western boxing defence be to unkarate even though it would improve their fighting ability a lot?
TobbeOMMA 3 years ago
maybe boxers dont protect their stomach and ribs enough, but it would matter cuz boxing is a sport and this is combat
angolan1 3 years ago
Yes, and in real combat 95% of the attackers are headhunters, meaning they strike towards the head. There tons of examples of it on Youtube.
senos64 3 years ago
Maybe in the american "dream" style shotokan you can reach black belt in 3 years or less, but in the traditional japanese way even if you good should practice over years at least 5-6 to get it becuase practice necessary to be good in karate. (I have avarage skills in this style for almost 7 years and I have "just" 1 kyu yet, but I know if one they I will have the black belt, I earned it.)
Viscohu 3 years ago 5
That's very true. It took me 5 years to reach my black belt in Shotokan, even when I was being very good and very constant in my training. I did my black belt test under a japanese Sensei called Hiroshi Ishikawa (7° degree black belt). American schools that give you a black belt in less than 4 years would never pass an intense test with a japanese Sensei.
Sheik06 3 years ago
yeah lots of people literally just scramble through the belts as fast as possible but i am starting shotokan karate soon and i will be "learning" the techniques like you are doing.
:)
mallon569 3 years ago
rushing throught the belts shouldn't even be possible.
I'd say 3/4th up to 1 year for every kyu at least- IF you fit the requirements- if you train every week twice.
and a couple of years of practice for each dan grade.
if you can rush through belts at your dojo it's time to find a better one.
Eterud 3 years ago
@Viscohu haha i'm going to respond to this comment even though it's 2 years old. The only people who get black belts in shotokan in 3 years are from absolute garbage schools. The fastest guy to get black belt in the school i used to attend got it in 6 years, and that's only because he was a damn prodigy. Ignore idiots like that saying yuo can get it that soon, because if it's authentic, there's no feasible way heh. Did you ever end up getting your black belt? :)
bloodriotiori 1 year ago 2
@bloodriotiori
i'm from the K.U.G.B shotokan and gained my 1st dan in 3 years and it was sensei sherry and brennan who graded me.. i was 13 at the time, your wrong in your comments about crap clubs if you gain 1st dan in 3 years, i think its you who needs to change clubs
reddy73 1 year ago
@reddy73 no bloodriotoroi is definitely correct...
jpek919 8 months ago
@bloodriotiori where are you from, you need to find another club . in the uk we have some the best in the world and from the KUGB like me
reddy73 1 year ago
@reddy73 The best in the world is the one called the Russia System. What do youy think?
can1843211 1 year ago
today shotokan is a sport not martial art!
theta57 3 years ago
Everyone develops at a different rate. I have been in Shotokan since the 60's and have seen people never reach black belt level, while others did it in 3 years...and even a few in less but those were exceptions.
Shinkyu42 3 years ago
would you say shotokan is disciplined and practical*??
*by practical i mean useful in real life, just to clarify.
i am a boxer at the moment but i want to learn a martial art aswell. so this was what i landed on. any advice ?
mallon569 3 years ago 2
I would find a school that has a more practical approach to teaching, unless you are interested in sport only. Try The Shingitai group in Kent, UK.if you are anywhere close.
The people in this video are quite impressive though. They are hard core.
Ronin6575 3 years ago
Unfortunatly I'm no where near there.
However I will make sure I ask about the teaching and whether it is practical or not.
Thanks for the advice :)
mallon569 3 years ago
I am currently a nidan (second degree black belt) and I am just letting you know from personal experience that shotokan is practical and a great martial art to learn to defend yourself, at least the traditional Shotokan Karate-do. You've got to be careful about the sporty kind.. but if you find a good traditional dojo, you will learn great things. Someone dumb idiot tried to mug me at knife point and i smashed his nose and incapacitated him within 6 secs.. so i know it works :)
shotokanshdn 3 years ago 2
Shotokan is discipline, strengthening both your mind, body and spirit at the same time and one of the most effective practical martial arts on this planet.
I'd go for an JKA dojo with the hardest trainings/most traditional trainings. if you live near London I'd say give it a shot to become the student of sensei Kawasoe, doubt that he'll be taking new students since of his status(who wouldn't want to be taught by an legend like him) but you never know.
Eterud 3 years ago
there is no amount of years to get a black belt, it depends if ur naturaly good and if u work hard and how many times u train not years thats stupid
angolan1 3 years ago
am not a fan of people getting black belts really fast OR "junior" black belts. they quite clearly have not obtained the amount of knowledge needed to obtain a black belt. also kumite is shit now a days. there is no form and the actual defense? lol there isn't any. people stand there and get punched in there face just so they can get a hit in.
darktim99 3 years ago
I was in Shotokan Karate for 4 years and I got my black belt in 3. I did good in tournies Im not going to lie but I honestly think once your in it for 6+ years thats when it becomes like breathing. Some things can be known like the back of your hand but karate becomes like breathing after a while. I might get back into it but its been 5 years so imagine if I was still in it. Im going back tho to work on my Nidan
Hurricane24Joe 4 years ago
that is very surprising that you got your black so soon. In my dojo there are very strict requirements and you would have to do karate for at least six years to get your black belt. I personally trained for the past 12 years and i was offered black belt. but when looking at the people that have been doing this for 40+years, i refused the offer because i believe i have much growing to do, not just in technique, but in the perfection of character.
maksim55669 3 years ago 4
It can never become like breathing to me because each time i train, i focus on a new part to train on, sometimes its a punch, a kick, or simply a physical aspect like strength in a punch, speed in a punch, or find a new approach to a technique. I don't know, but in my opinion 6+ years is nothing. 40+ years is nothing. it takes a lifetime. so pardon me for saying that your accomplishment in this style does not impress me in the slightest.
maksim55669 3 years ago
I once heard that in 'feudal' Japan, Karate started out with white belt. After years of toil and practice, gradually, their white belt would get dirty with dust and sweat. After so long, it would become so dirty, it was almost black. Black is an accomplishment that should take a lifetime to truly succeed in. I know a girl that is black belt but doesn't have sharp form, and can't remember some basic Kata. Black belt is the result of years of work and commitment.
xmusicfeverx 3 years ago 7
the saying is you start out at white, this means your pure innocent, havent seen any hardships yet, then over the years you eventually wear it to brown, this means you have started to understand the basics, and are close to black, then when you get to black you have mastered the basics but the path continues.. thus eventually wearing back to innocence, back to white (faded black belts)
DMWH 3 years ago
sum like 14 year old got there blakc belt at my school the other day NO WAY he sucks !!!! he cant even do kata right wtf??? i am embarrasted to even go to that school anymore its not my original school but theres none around here that teach traditional shotokan anymore. what is the 1st black belt kata? this school uses diferent belt system and a few other katas than what i am use to. they took a great martial arts and cheapend it.
xsxthunderxsx 3 years ago
that is rubbish because i promise you i am 17 and go my black belt at 13....but had to redo the entry again at 16 as this is considered adult age
bishbash0 3 years ago
i didn't mean it to sound offensive or anything, i just don't think that you or i have reached any type of accomplishment. there is just so much to learn. both physically and philosophically
maksim55669 3 years ago
wow, you are actually quite wise, i try to increase peoples knowledge of diciplen and to rid themselves of ignorence, but i see that you have alot of wisdome. i hope to be like what ive seen in this aspect of your personality. and btw i think the same as you. my sensai doesnt even really believe in belts, in my dojo it just means you have more responsibility. ive been in shotokan karate for about a year and i just got my yellow belt two days ago. it makes me more dedicated to get better. osu
brayden12345 3 years ago
My sensei says a black belt simply means you have gained the ability to train yourself.
kneetrembler1 4 years ago
As a Practising Karateka for 25yrs and still only hold the grade of 1st dan i think it comes down to what the individual wants to gain from Karate.instead of grading to 2nd Dan after a lay off i regraded to prove i was still worth the grade. 1st dan is still the begining of the advanced stages of karate where understanding begins and you start to be unconciously competent.But its a shame that we do focus now on gain from grade other than from full meaning and realisation of what Karate is. oss
tarquinexcalibur 4 years ago
bro 3 years if u go almost evryday and ur very good at it it took me almos 6 years to get mine!!!
stella1maris 4 years ago
It is reasonable to get your black belt in 3 years, but a black belt is not a karate master, merely an advanced student.
Great to see clips of Andy Sherry and Sensei Enoeda. These are both real masters.
OnkelOttoZwei 4 years ago 2
Thank you for your comment. I replied the same, before reading your comment.
cooks2006 4 years ago
Shotokan is tough alota the stuff I've learned is simple in theory but difficult to master. Powerful style. I like to combine it with my TKD training since the two go well together, to me anyway. Anyone here cross train in any particuliar styles?
warriorfire8103 4 years ago
A Shotokan black belt is supposed to be BY FAR the hardest to obtain. Most people say 10 to 12 years. The fact that you are getting one so soon very much resembles the "fast food" black belts of Tae Kwon Do and other gimmics
jmshoto37 4 years ago
Thats not true. In fact that is a silly assertion.
If you are dedicated, young, athletic you should be able to get a 1st dan in 3 years.
cooks2006 4 years ago
I'm still RESPECTFULLY sticking with what I said. Young and Athletic? I just finished my Division IA football career for a top 30 University so I'm plenty young and athletic...I had to delay my advancement during those years I was playing, which is unfortunate
jmshoto37 4 years ago
... and exactly how does one relate to the other? If you dont train , you dont advance. Seems logical to me.
cooks2006 4 years ago
1st dan in 3 years??? .... No comments...
fischerxxx 4 years ago
Back in the day ... when I trained in Shotokan .. 3.5 years was normal. This was in the 70's, when you advanced according to merit, not according to how much money you paid.
cooks2006 4 years ago
I still don't believe that in 3,5 years you can become karate master. If you want to learn REAL karate, 3 yers is not enough...
fischerrrrrr 4 years ago 3
I've done karate for 30 years.
Please enlighten me on what "real" karate is.
The problem is that you seem to think 1st dan is a "karate master". Translated, it means "1st step".
A 1st dan is considered an advanced student, not a "karate master".
cooks2006 4 years ago
Maybe I formulated it wrong, real Karate I mean hard and useful martial art.
I thought dan levels are master´s level. And kyu levels are student's levels
Maybe you are right, that 1st dan is just advanced student
fischerrrrrr 4 years ago
1st DAN is awarded to someone who has the appropriate knowledge and skill. It's like a college degree. At this point the Karateka should begin to progress individually - research techniques and kata, refine his skills etc. That's why some say that achieving 1st DAN is only the beginning of real Karate training.
Getting it is hard too. I have people in my dojo who have been training for over 6 years but they're still 1st Kyu. They feel they're not ready.
just my 2 cents :)
Hotora86 4 years ago
Finally I understand this. Thank you
fischerrrrrr 4 years ago
I am 4th kyu, and I have been training for seven years. I think it is better to progress slowly, that way you will be ready for the dans.
That vid was way cool; I've never seen anyone chop an apple using shuto.
sherlockandwatson 4 years ago
Many Karate clubs more or less give away black belts to students who think they've done enough already.
Black belt in 2-3 years? 5 years? It's by far not enough to become a master! In the old days black meant master, white meant student.
In my style and club it takes 10-15 years to get a 1 Dan Black Belt, training at least 3 times a week. By then, if you haven't quit, you should have the true understanding, what Karate is all about.
It's not the belt! It's the Knowledge!
1990Pizza 4 years ago
Many Karate clubs more or less give away black belts to students who think they've done enough already.
Black belt in 2-3 years? 5 years? It's by far not enough to become a master! In the old days black meant master, white meant student.
In my style and club it takes 10-15 years to get a 1 Dan Black Belt, training at least 3 times a week. By then, if you haven't quit, you should have the true understanding, what Karate is all about.
It's not the belt! It's the Knowledge!
1990Pizza 4 years ago 2
yes, you are speaking truth. the way you train sounds like the way i do. so im not even focused on my belt anymore but wat i know. the belt is just to help your teacher rank you. Karate comes from within
makavelifiasco 4 years ago
yes, you are speaking truth. the way you train sounds like the way i do. so im not even focused on my belt anymore but wat i know. the belt is just to help your teacher rank you. Karate comes from within
makavelifiasco 4 years ago
yes, you are speaking truth. the way you train sounds like the way i do. so im not even focused on my belt anymore but wat i know. the belt is just to help your teacher rank you. Karate comes from within
makavelifiasco 4 years ago
Exactly my point. Hate when people brag with "I have black belt in Karate" or any other martial art.
Black belt doesn't mean a shit if you don't deserve it. In competitions I've won over black belts, and they aren't that cocky when they have to take that black belt on again, losing to a purple belt student!
It might sound cool, but when you end up in a situation and you can't do a shit because of your 3 years of training, I hope you realize.
1990Pizza 4 years ago
A martial art that takes 15 years to become moderately good at--which is all a 1st dan signifies--has got some serious problems. If it takes that long, they are doing something wrong.
fileboy2002 4 years ago
Not really, the longer it takes to learn, the more technique lies in the martial art.
Take Boxing as an example, you pump your strength and after just a year you're suddenly a much better fighter than you were before. Not very much technique in it.
I felt comfortable with karate after 5 years, that's when I passed the line, and would use Karate rather than "normal" punches and grappling in a situation.
1990Pizza 4 years ago
what style do you train? 3 years definately not enough to earn 1.dan but 15 years does sound a bit harsh imho
Tasis87 4 years ago
I practice Shito-Ryu, which is one of the four big styles of tradition Karate. It's more like Shotokan than like Kyukushin. By training at least 2 times a week you should reach:
White Belt | < 1 Year
Yellow Belt | 1 Year
Orange Belt | 2 Years
Blue Belt | 3 Years
Purple Belt | 4 Years
Green Belt | 6 Years
Brown Belt | 9 Years
Black Belt 1st Dan | 14 Years
1990Pizza 4 years ago
Absolutely. It is not the belt that makes you a true master of the arts. It makes me livid when some schools give 4 and 5 year olds black belts. Martial Arts is an attitude... a lifestyle. Not a belt.
yourfan06 4 years ago 2
i've been doing shotokan for a couple of years and going for my black belt soon good video btw
TY44444 4 years ago
a couple of years????
sawdoctor130 4 years ago
I train in shotokan and goju ryu and rolling is important. If you are a black belt and cannot roll then I would wipe the floor with you. Especially in a street fight. someone slams you what are you gonna do? fly away?
perplexedgenius 4 years ago
I train shotokan 8 years. I train 5 times per week. I am such a fucking loser, because I have only 5th kyu - purple belt.
fischerrrrrr 4 years ago
As long as you feel you are improving then it the belt doesn't matter. If your sensei has higher standards, consider yourself fortunate, because that means you have a good teacher who believes in earning the belt instead of meaningless handout. I admit that 8 years is a long time though...You may want to ask him if there is something you should work on at home, and then, actually work on it.
ninjalex08 4 years ago 2
The knowlage isn't "in" your belt, it's in your head. 8 years is indeed a pretty long time, but with that comes much training and knowledge. So consider yourself lucky not to have a sensei that just throw away belts to everyone. :)
Haggras 4 years ago 3
You are right, but I so wish to have black belt. If I sometimes say that I train karate for 8 years everybody expect that I have bleck belt or brown belt and when I answer No haven't, I have only purple belt everybody thinks that I loaf about and I don't train hard... But I really do. Maybe I should train more. I have just returned from karate class. We practised kata, tomorrow will be kumite for 2 hours. I am looking forward to it :-)
fischerrrrrr 4 years ago
Hehe it will come with with time ^^ Also just returned from class, had Bunkai from the basai sho kata, aslo had kata training. Great fun and I love it. Do you train in England or where?
Haggras 4 years ago
cool. I train in the Czech Republic :-)
fischerxxx 4 years ago
you are doing it the right way, and could probably walk through these guys that are saying you can do it in so short a time. congrats on your progress thus far.
jmshoto37 4 years ago
"consider yourself fortunate, because that means you have a good teacher who believes in earning the belt instead of meaningless handout"
Nonsense. It means the teacher may be more interested in tuition than judging progress fairly.
cooks2006 4 years ago
belts dont matter, practising does, belts keep your top closed!!!!!!
sawdoctor130 4 years ago
The only bad part o the video was between 3:59 and 4:01... why the hell did he did a judo/parkour roll? I am a Shotokan blackbelt and I can tell you that karate shotokan NEVER teaches you how to roll!
Sheik06 4 years ago
Are you? I have been doing Shotokan for 2 years now and we do ukemi (breakfalls/rolls) from time to time. They aren't as useless as some people think.
Hotora86 4 years ago
YES I AM. I studied Shotokan for more than 7 years, dude. I was trained by the SKIF, and I went two seminars given by Sensei Kanazawa, plus another 2 with Sensei Ishikawa. I don't know who is training you, but I am sure that your sensei is teaching his students at his very personal way.
Sheik06 4 years ago
I'm sure sensei Kanazawa knows how to roll. ;] It's not like rolling is "forbidden" or anything. My sensei was also a Judo practitioner as well so he teaches ukemi and throws from time to time. I don't think this extra stuff makes me a weaker fighter, does it? Funakoshi himself befriended Jigoro Kano and added some Judo to his Shotokan curriculum.
Hotora86 4 years ago
I know that Funakoshi added some Judo to his style, and of course that knowing how to roll doesn't make you weaker fighter, nor is forbbiden. What I wanted to mean is that, if you train Shotokan at the traditional way, they'll not teach you how to roll... may be after you are black belt, but not in your first days like in Judo (which is the first thing you learn in judo).
Sheik06 4 years ago
karate-do também é porrada, gurizada. Entao, vamos deixar de frescura!
kevinnkrc 4 years ago
4:46 is literally insane.
elb98rm 4 years ago
Is there anyone in the past, and in more particularly, present with abilities like Elwyn Hall?
Lyoto Machida is very good, the only reason I decided to search for Shotokan info. Anyone else?
jamesecash 4 years ago
I thought the demo with Sensei Rhodes was awesome. I've trained under him a few times. A pleasure to see him in his younger days!
mjdb30 4 years ago
I wish Lyoto would do those moves in the UFC. So far, he just does the same leg sweep and it's getting boring. I want to see more moves like in this video. So far, Cung Le is the only entertaining fighter that does cool moves like this
gyromancy2 4 years ago
Anyone know any other good clips that might be educating or show some good moves or strategies
warriorfire8103 4 years ago
This is very impressive, I started Shotokan about a month ago after I was done with TKD training, The Style is very powerful, I enjoy combining the two accordingly, but alone I feel Shotokan is overall better.
warriorfire8103 4 years ago 6
I like the finger jab to the apple!
watts18269 4 years ago
im not arguing with anyone ok, so, my opinion is, THATS WHY YOU ARE TRAINING YOUR KATA AND STUFF FOR "DEFENDING YOUR SELF" FROM ENEMIES, FROM ANY ATTACK THEY MAY DO. *ehem* im not mad..
puset00 4 years ago 2
yeah right...in a lame school karate should be in the really traditional way 1-2 years per belt
manito1987 4 years ago
one thing i like about this video is it illistrates the key principle of shotokan karate "ikanisatsu" which is "to kill with one blow". this is our kep principle in our style, figths should never be takent to the ground because the opponent should never get that far. and in this video no ground wrestling and stuff. impressive, this is why in shotokan karate we focus on just the reverse counter punch alone for years. osu!
AZNKC 4 years ago 3
the inability to fight on the ground is the weakness of Shotokan not its strength, because hardly anyone practising Shotokan can kill or just even KO with one blow
nikulind 4 years ago
There have been many KOs on Shotokan tournamentsso it is possible.
Hotora86 4 years ago
i ve been to more then a few of them and I can say that it is more an exception then the rule because first, it is a point system, you are not supposed to hit your opponent hard (you can get penalized for that) , you supposed to score, and, second, largely because the first reason karatekas dont practise KO opponents, however, they do learn how to hit hard. This is a paradox.
nikulind 4 years ago
Nevertheless they CAN KO with one hit, especially people who don't concentrate on the sports side of Karate and train "for real". Shotokan is also good for self-defence, I know a few people who got out of some serious trouble with it.
You don't see Shotokan on the ring because of its peaceful philosophy but there are some "renegade fighters" in MMA like Maciej Gorski from Poland or Lyoto Machida from Brazil - and they're doing pretty well.
Hotora86 4 years ago
i have no doubt in my mind that there are good shotokan fighters. I practise shotokan myself. Read my original note plz: i was saying that for a well versed fighter ground work is important. Because as soon as you go to the ground with a grappler , you lose. You can do well in a street fight and all but shotokan is good for a long and medium distance, when you start wrestling with somebody ( even if you dont intent to ) shotokan is of little use.
nikulind 4 years ago
That is true but Shotokan was never designed for MMA. Your average criminal isn't really keen on groundfighting. Sure, you'd lose agaist a grappler but will you get attacked by one? You don't see Judo/BJJ blackbelts mugging people in the street.
But if MMA is your goal then at least some BJJ experience is necessary I guess. Gorski beat the Polish MMA/KSW'06 Champion Jozwiak with only 6 months of BJJ training. He just kept escaping the ground and won the fight in stand-up.
Hotora86 4 years ago 2
Hotora86, nicely said man I totally agree! especialy with the first 5 lines of your comment.
Sheik06 4 years ago
Shotokan is raw. The damage that shotokan does is astonishing.
Jh7478 4 years ago 3
AWESOME!
eddyjonez 4 years ago
great level, i wish in my country it could be like that...someday
maribk 5 years ago
shotokan is the best!!!
steel19fury 5 years ago 3
this is great. i don't think the scenes taken from the movie, Bushido are of Shotokan Karateka, though. Does anyone know who the guy is who breaks the boards and the bottles? he's impressive.
Philmoscowitz 5 years ago
He's super good in tameshi-wari and demonstrations, but it has nothing to do with real combat. Timing and ability to react fast are more important. Osu!
fandorin74rus 4 years ago 3
it looks like a young nishiyama to me.
1URESAM 4 years ago
The man from the film at the end is Shotokan Sensei Elwyn Hall of the KUGB, as were most of the other non Japanese.
andyjessep 4 years ago