If you read the words of Baha'u'llah in your "most holy book," and the disdain, contempt, and rage he expresses towards all sorts of waywardness or corruption, a Baha'i should have the same attitude toward gays. Baha'is teach a fake program that is basically Marxism posing as a religion.
AFTER LEARNING SO MANY WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT THE BAHA'I FAITH I WAS IHEARTBROKEN TO LEARN THAT THIS EXPANSIVE LOVE DID NOT INCLUDE GAY PEOPLE, IF IN AM MISINFORMED PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME......CHANDRA
@chandra3311 No no no no....just because the teachings dont allow for sex outside of marriage and marriage has to be between men and women in marriage DOES NOT MEAN THAT BAHAIS HAVE ANY SPECIAL THING AGAINST PEOPLE WITH HOMOEROTIC TENDENCIES...see what the teachings say about FAMILY, desire, lust and wordiness in its context...LOVE AND PEACE--
Yo Flaws Just need to share this. I have a friend staying,and every so often he comes and has a look at these comments. Now, he went to various churches for a bit, and came out an atheist.When he read your comments he said your sort of stuff is what put him off. He read your stuff, then the Writings,he read you,he read the Writings. He said he can see the validity of this Faith,that there is a God,(again) and now it makes sense to him, and this 'Baha'i Stuff' is ok
Much, much tougher stuff there than going to a pot luck every 19 days and spouting inanities like "God is one, man is one, all the religions are one."
-- Fast (for real, not the fake Baha'i fast). Fast means "no food" for as many days as possible. (I've only gone 16 days, but Jesus and others went over 40)
-- Practice strict celibacy (brahmacharya)
-- Live in seclusion (becoming content only with God-meditation)
-- Master the wandering mind by directing it to one thought (the most difficult human attainment)
""Know of a certainty that in every Dispensation the light of Divine Revelation hath been vouchsafed to men in direct proportion to their spiritual capacity".
So then why does the scowling vouchsafer ask so little of mankind these days when the rishis asked much more difficult spiritual attainments in times of yore? That is, the B-Faith asks very little: Live like everyday materialists, go to a get-together once every 19 days, spout shallow bromides. No biggie.
The Hindu and Buddhist religions consider the state of "samadhi" (God union) to be the goal and purpose of religion. What can Baha'is teach about samadhi? Back when I was a Baha'i a Native American Canadian handed me a copy of the book "Autobiography of a Yogi." After I read it I realized: "I knew nothing about religion at all."
If a Bahai' will read that book, or something like "Miracle of Love" (on the Hindu saint Neem Karoli Baba) he will have to conclude: "I knew little about religion."
@BookOfFlaws Consort with all religions with amity and concord, that they may inhale from you the sweet fragrance of God. Beware lest amidst men the flame of foolish ignorance overpower you. All things proceed from God and unto Him they return. He is the source of all things and in Him all things are ended.
Baha'is believe, sort of like modern Christians, in a penurious, niggardly, ungenerous God: He only communicates with man every 1,000 years or so.
The Hindus view God as much more gracious and parental than that. (If you were a parent, would you only check on your kids & speak to them once a 1,000 years?) No, the Hindus believe there is always an enlightened sage or saint (manifestation of God) on the earth at all times. In fact, many of them! Plus lesser saints and holy men of varied degrees.
Of course I was exposed to this Baha'i theory early on. Baha'is have their simplistic theory that God reveals "a little more truth every thousand years." To make the theory 'work' they basically ignore the content of the various religions and misrepresent them. It would be comparable to taking 20 beautiful birds and chopping off all parts of the bird that don't fit in, say, a 2-inch square long cracker box. This is too generous. Baha'i hardly encompasses 2 square inches of Hinduism.
Just a few of the themes ancienter religions deal with in detail:
-- The nature of the mind
-- Unsatisfactoriness of exterior dualistic phenomena (all worlds)
-- The problem of the mind & conditioning as cause of exterior dualistic phenomena
-- The processes for cessation of mind and contact with causeless bliss behind mind
-- Techniques for contact with & perception, of God in the form of transcendental divine perceptions (Aum, Divine Light, gaining the 'Kingdom of Heaven' within here-now.)
The Bahai' notion of "progressive relevation" doesn't hold up under scrutiny. By their theory, older religions are more primitive, with less lofty truth; modern ones more sophisticated and carrying more knowledge. But if comparing the ancient Upanishads or texts like the Yoga-Sutra to Baha'i writings, the Baha'i religion look primitive & childish by comparison. For religious and metaphysical knowledge, the Upanishads are like a ball park full of people; the Baha'i Faith a small concession stand.
@BookOfFlaws "Know of a certainty that in every Dispensation the light of Divine Revelation hath been vouchsafed to men in direct proportion to their spiritual capacity".
"Little wonder, then, if the treatment prescribed by the physician in this day should not be found to be identical with that which he prescribed before. How could it be otherwise when the ills affecting the sufferer necessitate at every stage of his sickness a special remedy?"
One of the principles of this Faith is that Religion and knowledge are progressive.The proof is that some people are able to outgrow the principles laid out in this, the latest Religion and move on to greater things, and as such, both systems benefit.
I don't know what you mean by "spiritual." Religion is the course of study that ends dissatisfaction and gives immortal bliss. Call it whatever. But those two are what human beings seek. Thus a man who can't show people how to end their suffering and get causeless bliss can't really help them much. People aren't contented by the material, and nature provides the material on its own. You don't even know how a plant really grows. As to excretions, god-seeking men have a reduction of excretions.
I see that no Baha'is have.sallied forth on with Winds of Certitude from the Day Pole of Bromides to make commentaries on those few randomly selected Gita verses. The truth is 95 percent of Gita content is completely incomprehensible to Bahai's. But once that content is understood, and how it addresses the real problems of human life (the mind; enmeshment in karma and limited, dualistic experience) -- one would never want to trade the Gita for ego-centric fulminations and bombast of Baha'u'llah.
@BookOfFlaws I think it is incomprehensible to a lot of human beings in the world today, not only baha'is...
I agree though, I know that I would have been in serve trouble if nota for buddist and hindu scriptures. They were just more helpful to me at that moment.
It is obvious that an average baha'i, being an average person can't understand the Gita. To be honest I don't find it fully fair that you stress this. We don't need to bully anyone.
@duckotaco (cont.) and it is their general external "kindness" to everyone. Now, if it is real, hypocritical or not, if it is good or not, it's not the point. I just don't see a necessity to stress their perfectly expectable naivete, simple mindedness or ignorance that is the SAME of an average man, bahai or not, of today. Obviously most people aren't cultured or intellectually advanced. It is silly to expect them to be. And I justify bullying and aggressiveness, only to...
@duckotaco ...defend oneself. Right now you are spamming the baha'i videos walls, probably simply to annoy them. I am an ex baha'i and I received many insults from baha'is, but I have to deal with it with them, not with the random baha'i. It would be like having been offended by a woman and revencing towards another woman. BookOfFlaws, you are an advanced and spiritual man, and I want you to remain solid and aware of your virtues, but we really need some compassion for those below.
@duckotaco I encourage you expressing your truths, opinion and awareness, and defending yourself from eventual attackers...I don't understand instead the continuous putting down the baha'is. It's not going to work anyway. Some are truly humble people, especially persians know how to bend down and take attacks without being shaken in their faith. They're going to see you only as a "test", and not as truth. It is offensive for the Gita that you expect any person in the street to get it
Fair post. Lets contrast other religions to Baha'i. Buddhism & the Upanishads (Hind.) say the exterior world is self-projected, like a nightly dream; that the flaws found in it are expressions of one's own impurities; that thus the world only improves by self-purification. Baha'is have no clue about any of these metaphysics, or what purification is. (And what if it's true.) Yet they think they could replace those religions & "fix the world" anyway.
@BookOfFlaws you are based upon spirituality. I am a spiritual seeker, yet, I have to poo and pee, while there is nothing spiritual in this. Therefore, I am not going to abandon REASON. When I say that a person who can, sure has the duty to help the world materially, logistically and politically, it's out of pure reason - it doesn't have to be spiritual. I don't need a spiritual motive to poo. I just have to do it, period.A leader doesn't have to be spiritual at all costs in my mind
Nobody wants to "extinguish the sun." Settle down.
Read the "Most Great Book" ("Book of Laws") and it's weird laws on falcon hunting, expensive coffins, and bombastic self-referencing language of B-u-L and tell me it's really like the "sun." If you want scriptures that are like the Sun for illumination into the nature of God and the true solution to life problems, try the Upanishads. Nay, by my life, you will never be able to compare the hype and fulminations of Baha'u'llah to the Upanishads.
@BookOfFlaws average people of today are not really seekers of truth, rather of COMFORT. We all know this, why do we have to state it? Let's state it then. People who embrace religion find in it most of all an adequate spiritual comfort and a community to hold on to and that makes them feel good, and to some point, this is legit and I don't gonna go and break their dream. I think somewhere in the Gita Krishna invites us to not "disturb their spirits". Remember this passage?
"For those who are attached to pleasure and power [Baha'i types]; whose minds are drawn away by such teachings [religions concerned with getting worldly results]; that determinate reason DOES not form which is steadily bent on meditation and Samadhi (superconscious state)."
Those with a world-oriented religion, like Baha'i, never get the determination to find God within, even though the Hidden Words pointed to God as within.) They have no interest to "look within thyself."
Like I said, once the metaphysical/philosophical content of the B-Gita begins, the typical Baha'i would stumble at most every verse, finding it incomprehensible. Or, thinking he understands when he doesn't. I know because I was a Baha'i more than 15 years, and I know that Baha'is have no clue what most of the above verses refer to. It only gets denser and more abstruse from there. The "7 Valleys" "cool in the fire" verse has some connection here. But Ba-hyes could care less about such things.
"The Vedas deal with the three attributes (of Nature); be thou above these three attributes. O Arjuna, free yourself from the pairs of opposites, and ever remain in the quality of Sattva, freed from the thought of acquisition and preservation, and be established in the Self."
Any explanations, Baha'i clown?
"To the Brahmana who has known the Self, all the Vedas are of as much use as is a reservoir of water in a place where there is a flood."
(Scriptures become superfluous to the God-knower.)
"For those who are attached to pleasure and power [Baha'i types]; whose minds are drawn away by such teachings [religions concerned with getting worldly results]; that determinate reason is not form which is steadily bent on meditation and Samadhi (superconscious state)."
Those with a world-oriented religion, such as Baha'i, never get the determination or interest in finding God within, even though the Hidden Words pointed to God as within.)
@BookOfFlaws What! Believe ye in your hearts that ye possess the power to extinguish the radiance of the Sun, or to eclipse its splendor? Nay, by My life! Ye will never and can never achieve your purpose, though ye summon to your aid all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth.
"In this there is no loss of effort, nor is there any harm (production of contrary results or transgression). Even a little of this knowledge (even a little practice of this Yoga) protects one from great fear.
"Here [in this yoga], O joy of the Kurus, there is but a single one-pointed determination; many-branched and endless are the thoughts of the irresolute." (The typical mind; the typical Baha'is mind, etc.)
"Having made pleasure and pain, gain and loss, victory and defeat the same, engage thou in battle for the sake of battle; thus thou shall not incur sin."
"This, which has been taught to thee, is wisdom concerning Sankhya. Now listen to wisdom concerning Yoga, endowed with which, O Arjuna, thou shalt cast off the bond of action."
(The average Baha'i has zero idea at this point what's being discussed.)
Continuing on, Stanford translation, a decent trans. and one of some 35 that I have:
"This knowledge was given in the way of knowledge. Now hear it in the way of action. Filled with which knowing, son of Pritha, you will be free of the bonds of action."
"In this [path of knowledge] no step forward is lost, nor can effort go down to nothing. Even a little of this teaching wards off great danger." (Other trans: "Even a little of this yoga gives freedom from great suffering.")
"The indweller is ever unharmed in the body of every one. Therefore, son of Bharata, even for all creatures you should not mourn."
(And yet you are a member of a religion that continually worries about "the creatures" and that's all it worries about. The Baha'i does not direct himself to God, the imperishable indweller, but to the perishing creatures. The BF is world-worship. The B. faith consists of an absurd ambition to "fix the world.")
@BookOfFlaws The Gita is the Gita. Thanks for sharing these beautiful passages (hey, i'm the NON baha'i guy).
The B. faith consists of an absurd ambition to "fix the world."
I agree it's absurd on one hand, but I do not think efforts to "make the world a better place" are useless and stupid. Hindus can be too selfish for my taste. This is disputable
The Gita is only one (small) scripture of one of the world's oldest and most profound religions (Hinduism generally). Baha'is state that their religion encompasses and supercedes all the other religions. Yet 95 percent of the philosophical and metaphysical content of the Bhagavad-Gita -- such as the mechanics of meditation, the effect of actions or "impressions" (samskaras, impressions of experience on the mind), or the goal of "samadhi"-- are utterly foreign to Baha'is.
"Who thinks of him as a slayer and who thinks that he is slain do not rightly understand. He slays not, nor is slain."
"When a man knows him as undying, constant, never born, eternal, how does such a man cause killing or whom does he kill, son of Pritha?"
(Krishna is saying that the man who knows the unborn Brahman, though slaying men on the battlefield, slays no one and does nothing. Explain that Baha'i clown.)
"But contacts with matter, son of Kunti, cause cold and heat, pleasure and pain...The man not moved by these...that wise man, to whom pain and pleasure are the same, he is fit to live forever."
"What is not can never come to be. What is can never disappear. Those who see the truth know the border between the two of these."
"But the world is pervaded by that which none can destroy--The Imperishable. No one can bring it to nothing."
As mentioned, the first chapter is primarily narrative story-telling. Most people only read the 1st chapter once because that's all it is. It's when Baha'is hit the metaphysical and philosophical content, starting in chapter 2, that a Baha'i will be lost every 2-3 verses or so. That's starts by about Chapter 2, verse 11.
You give me the impression you've never read past the 1st Chapter, and that is why you don't realize that you have a shallow religion with little answers for the Bhagavadgita.
REALITY CHECK. About those "equal rights". According to the Bahais you are all equally flung into this world subject to parental consent to have marriage and no sex outside of marriage, with this parental consent only revokable by a council of (9 men the Universal House of Justice) and (no women). AS a Bahais, everyone is equally subjected to this eugenic code of equally having no choice of who your parents are.
I don't need to study "Baha'i Education" to know what children need in a mother. (By the way, I used to run Baha'i children's classes.) Mothering is not chemistry, law, mathematics, or social work. I fathered four kids and their mother (my wife) mothered well by having a heart full of love for them. She never used her college degree to mother. In fact, show me a woman who is given to intellectualism, loving college, and I'll show you a mother with less patience and less enjoyment of motherhood.
One of many Baha'i bromides and slogans (I know every one) that simply falls apart on analysis. One of many examples. If Baha'is got deeper than their little teaching "talking points" and actually THOUGHT (in the spirit of investigation of truth) they would not perch so pretty on their bromides. They say "religion is one." But if a Baha'i is asked to read one page of the Bhagavad-Gita they will generally be completely lost by the 3rd line, having no idea what the scripture is even talking about.
@BookOfFlaws 'What wrought my people, and the Pandavas?' This is the 3rd line of the Bhagavad-Gita, perhaps with your knowledge of such things you would explain its meaning to me.
Cute. I knew you Baha'is didn't want to read the B-Gita. That's from the first chapter which is mostly story narrative and contains very little religious or metaphysical content. Yes, once Baha'is get into the meat of the Gita, they would tend to be confuseh every 1st, 2nd, and 3rd line as I said.
By the way, that's not the "3rd line" of the Gita. It's the first line, and the first verse. You can't even get something like that right. Truly Baha'is have no interest in the religions.
Alternative Baha'i Faiths (some of them are much better than the Haifa Heterodox sect, in my opinion):
SectsOfBahais●Com
Did you know that a British handwriting expert analyzed the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha and pronounced that it didn't contain one bit of authentic writing by AB? And that it had the writing of more than one person? Shoghi Effendi (who my old friend Ruth used to have dinner with), refused to let the original document be examined.
@BookOfFlaws I find it strange that if I find a belief system that urges me, among other things, to rid myself of my racism, to treat women as equals, to be honest, generous and tolerant, to believe and trust in God, to do my utmost to become a better person so that the world becomes a better place, to educate my children, particularly my daughters, to support any science that advances our civilization, you would make it your mission in life to take it from me. What is your mission in life?
"to support any science that advances our civilization,"
Hah. Bizarre. Is that what they're saying now? The original teachings of the Bab/Baha'u'llah were anti-technology; science should be SUBJECT to religion and not violate religious values. The Baha'is dumbed this down to "harmony of sci. and religion," Now Baha'is have it backwards.
"What is your mission in life?"
Me? God-knowledge. Not socialist propaganda. Knowledge indicated in the Bhagavad-Gita, Yoga-Sutras. Baha'is have no clue.
Everybody loves to get their kids out of their hair by sending them off to the state indoctrination institution.
"particularly my daughters,"
The kind of education that makes women happy, and good mothers, isn't had from schools. They become unhappy in careers lacking mate, children. Men are capable of a different standards. Now colleges, with more women than men, have lower standards. Why all the support to daughters to be unhappy, but not sons to be strong?
@BookOfFlaws It is because women are the 1st teachers of their children, if women are educated, and may I humbly suggest you actually study the whole concept of Baha'i education and family life, then the children will be educated. And as motherhood, in the Baha'i Faith is the most important, and I do mean The Most Important job there is,the importance of this injunction on Baha'i s will become apparent to even the most anti Baha'i individual.........
@waiotahi52 O YE THAT ARE FOOLISH, YET HAVE A NAME TO BE WISE!Wherefore do ye wear the guise of shepherds, when inwardly ye have become wolves, intent upon My flock? Ye are even as the star, which riseth ere the dawn, and which, though it seem radiant and luminous, leadeth the wayfarers of My city astray into the paths of perdition. Baha'u'llah
I am happy to discuss the principals of this Faith with you,but know this, I have had them before and have never been swayed away from what I believe.
I've heard your "first teachers" bromide. What you miss is that it's useless to teach your child the things that are learned in colleges & universities and likely not a good thing. Why should a little child have to learn chemistry and math from his mother? What good does it do him? The kind of teaching a mother's supposed to give is emotional, spiritual, and moral. Precisely the things colleges DON'T teach. A mother who abandons her best mother role for college is a worthless mother.
@BookOfFlaws I enjoy discussions with you, you generally provide your own answers and this case is no different. Of course a degree in Astro physics is of no value in child rearing. Baha'i education, put simply, starts with the learning of moral values, and lessons in motherhood and the raising of children, the value of prayer. Education in other fields comes after this, so you are correct.
@waiotahi52 -- Reality is that a mother involved in education while being a mother is going to be the worse mother. Secondly, a college degree is going to come into play very little in childraising. The things that matter most, in a mother, are her own psychological background and heritage in family life; how much she was nurtured by her own parents, and the non-college wisdom and character qualities modeled by the mother. Your "first teacher" line is disingenuous and obscene.
@waiotahi52 I guess his mission in life could be to make your lies and hypocrisy quit.
If it were so important to you to become a better person and be tolerant, you'd just do it, not LIST it as you just did. Psychologists would say that you chose the baha'i faith not to genuinely serve OTHERS, but to feel better about YOURSELF.
And THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
What is wrong, is acting and thinking you're altruistic when you are only just selfish like you're supposed to be.
@duckotaco I am going to have to bow to yours and Flaws superior intellect here, as I have absolutely no idea what on earth you are on about, but the live and let live lessons you have learned have little effect when it comes to the beliefs of others The definition of insanity is to repeat the same process, expecting a different result, you are not guilty of that. Your expectations are to repeat the same, get more of the same. I don't want that.
@BookOfFlaws fuck man, this is what I always thought without hearing that story. My dad asked me how would it be possible that the UHJ is wack, did Baha'u'llah make a mistake? Since we all know Baha'u'llah wasn't a fuckin' idiot coward (not saying he's anything else, or that he is God).
And I answered: dad, eventually some writings of the prophet must have been altered. he didn't even write them on his own hands...its very easy that they got altered for someones personal interest.
Nothing like having a grip on the important stuff if you're gonna play with religion. Too bad you'd leave a world stripped of hardwoods if your religion made progress. My funeral? I don't think much about it. Religious people think of God, not funerals. (I was one of the pall bearers who took Ruth Moffett to her grave, by the way. In her bedroom we found a hair from B-u-L, in a little vial.) Baha'is may not offer much advice about the world's real problems, but they at least have funeral rules.
"Hidebound"? Please. I was in the Baha'i Faith for 15 years. There is no more intellectually hidebound and limited group of people than the Baha'is. Their intellectual range, as religionists, goes about one quarter-inch deep.
"My object is none other than the betterment of the world and the tranquility of its peoples. The well being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded." Baha'u'llah
I especially like the fact that Rev. Jones has kept an open heart and mind to investigate and report on all of our diverse Faiths, and be moved to make such a beautiful comment about the Baha'i Faith, as one which promotes the unity of all humankind.
@waiotahi52 You know what Bahais need? a snack food. Though I doubt we can find a food passive enough. The Quakers took oatmeal and rice-cakes. Maybe we can sell tofu and celery.
This is not a religion that inspires comedy (sadly enough).
@butchdeadlift10 Ahh food, we do it well, it's the only thing we can do. Can't talk about you mates who aren't there, can't drink, nobody smokes inside any more anyway but for some strange reason most Baha'i things I go to are a hell of a lot of fun. We are instructed to be happy, probably the only thing I'm good at:-) What is it about tofu???Celery yes, but tofu??????????????////
i'm not bahai, but i have to point out that its detractors' arguments about it being a cult, or a political tool, all miss the point. From what i've read, the teachings, and the writings are beautiful and sincere, and they appeal to the very core of any human being. More importantly, the true test of a religion is if it makes a person better today than they were yesterday. That is what people ultimately respond to. The detractors assume that people have no free will or choice of their own.
@gte692h and the bahais i know are making things better around them. that is the bottom line. call it a cult, or whatever, but the truth is in the results, and they do good things.
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Bahaism is a cult created by the British establishment as a 5th columnist force in the Mid East. The shameless propagandizing of this Anglican clergyman (when in the same program he had nothing but negative things to say about the local Christians, Jews, Muslims and Druze in Israel) proves the extent to which the British establishment uncritically supports this sinister fascist organization and promotes it.
you can check their own website, he made some comments about the garden between 0:47 and 1:00.. there is a whole part missing there... by the way i watched it on bbc and not on internet therefore i cannot guide you to a resource other than the channel site itself. Sorry!
Thank you Reve Pete for your heartwarming view of the Baha'i Faith - the hope for bringing together the diverse religions and nations of the world together and bringing to reality, "peace on earth as it is in heaven," as promised by Jesus and other Manifestations of God. Please note that Baha'u'llah was not a preacher but a nobleman who spent some forty years of His life in incarceration and exile since He brought His liberating message for the humankind.
@toanpl - if you feel that the argument for the morality of homosexual relationships is stronger than the argument for the truth of Baha'i teachings, by all means you should not join the faith.
It's not as though the Baha'i faith forces people to join and adhere to practices they do not believe in. Examine our claims thoroughly and investigate the legitimacy of this faith for yourself, but likewise be ready to examine the basis of your own beliefs.
i understand that you are a bahai:-)super for you!!
only thing i want to say is that i think it is strange that bahai presents itself as a religion with no intolerance,thats not true.you are very intolerant of people who are living together and not married and of homosexuals.just like any other religion.thats to bad,but as you say no one is forced to join, thank god for free will.
@toanpl - I don't see it as intolerant of homosexual people in the slightest. In fact, my own father is homosexual.
The fact that we do not consider the practice acceptable in our faith does not mean we are intolerant towards individuals with the condition of homosexuality, or with homosexuals who hold different beliefs. The faith likewise forbids drinking and adultery, but I doubt that anyone is likely to call us 'intolerant' on those standpoints.
Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.” “ I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty.”2 Corinthians 17
We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain. For He says:n an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
As Ethiopian,"Who among the gods is like you, O LORD? Who is like you--majestic in holiness, awesome in glory, working wonders?Exodus 15:11.There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.1 Samuel 2:2 esus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.John 14:6 We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain. For He says:
Thank you to Rev Pete Owen for making this doc & including the Baha'i Faith in his world tour of religions.
Bahá'u'lláh's message to us all:
"Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and harmony, with friendliness and fellowship."
Rev Owen finishes by saying "I hope that this is the future, I do."
I was raised in the Anglican church but became a Baha'i many years ago. For more information google "Baha'i prophecy fulfilled".
مساواة الرجل والمرأة فى الحقوق والوجبات بحيث لا يرجح إنسان على إنسان الروح اإنسانى متساوية فى الفكر والوجدان وبما ان الله تعالى قد ساوى بينهم فى الثواب والعقاب فهم متساوون فى الحقوق والوجبات فهم
نفس واحدة خلقها الله وهذه النفس خاضعة لقانون الوجود فإذا كانوا متساويين في الثواب والعقاب فى الآخرة فلماذا لا يتساويان فى الحقوق والوجبات
ومن مبادئ الدّين البهائي السّعي إلى الكمال الخلقي، فالغاية من ظهور الأديان هي تعليم الإنسان وتهذيبه.
: البهائية تنادى بإقامة محكمة عدل دوليآ بنتخب اعضائها من هيئات العالم اجمع ويكون الحكم فيها مؤيد من الجميع ويكون لها الأشراف التام على موارد الأمم وتشرع القوانين لسد مطالب الشعوب وتكون لها هيئة تنفيذية لتطبيق القوانين وتتولى الفصل والحكم فى اى نزاع ينشأ بين العناصر المختلفة . هذا النداء بمثابة مائدة يجد فيها العالم تحقيق آماله ورغباته الدين البهائي هو دين عالمي مستقل ينتشر في جميع العالم ما عدا دولة الفاتيكان ويمثلون اكثر 2300 عرقا من اجناس و قبائل وشعوب الكرة الأرضية
This series is interesting but the presenter can be pretty disrespectful and annoying at times. I guess he can't help it- he is a Christian, after all.
Religion or no religion, human beings have been responseable for brainwashing, subduing, exploiting, people. The west has got a long history of it with the British empire, now the American empire. Both were secular. I can't get people blameing religion for the worlds conflicts.
There's one side of this story conveniently neglected.
Almost if not every single religion of the world, at one point or another, has been abused for subduing, brainwashing and exploiting people.
I am afraid to even consider the potential behind this kind of religion, especially in the light of globalization.
Sure, let's be open-minded, let's be tolerant and respect each other's beliefs but let us also not be naive and expect that just this time everything might go smoothly.
@Lillymill ...it might. I understand this skepticism. But from my experience, people read up on the Baha'i Faith, then go to meetings, participate in some activities, and see if they can find a flaw in its concepts, its community or its writings. Even those who don't join it, usually do not find anything to criticize about it. It is really an open-faced sandwich - so to speak.
The very benevolence of the religion does not guarantee it will not be abused.
Just as the differences between various religions were and are abused for divisions and warmongering, a religion such as Baha'i can be abused for neocolonialism, perverting the tolerance and mutual respect into single-mindedness.
@Lillymill In the past religious orders have perverted the Word of God for their own ends. That is WHY God has sent Baha'u'llah (and the other Manifestationsof God) - to lead the people of the world back to God. Eventually, Baha'u'llah's message may also be tainted by humanity and used to control the masses. But the Writings clearly teach unity in diversity, accepting one another and loving one another because of our differences, not just despite them.
@wtapiwa If you actually knew religion, then you would not be saying that. Islam and Christianity are directly opposed and cannot be joined as one. Unfortunately this kind of religion and thought will prevail throughout the world allowing the antichrist to set up shop and deceive everyone.
@wtapiwa What about these quotes directly from Baha'u'llah? How do they make sense and contribute to the betterment of the world?
--Should anyone intentionally destroy a house by fire, him also shall ye burn; should anyone deliberately take another’s life, him also shall ye put to death.-62
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-Should the garb of anyone be visibly sullied, his prayers shall not ascend to God, and the celestial Concourse will turn away from him. 76
Baha'u'llah's first instruction was "burn him." Then he said, basically, if you want to be wussies about it, you could give him life in prison. When he decreed for a 3rd-time thief you should "put a sign on his forehead" he anticipated you would wussie s about it. So he continued: "Beware lest pity take hold on you in following the religion of God...We have disciplined you with the rods of Wisdom and commandments...just as fathers discipline their sons." Sorry you signed onto something bizarre.
@BookOfFlaws It shows the severity of the crime, and does away with a personal retribution. It appears to me that if a law is so specifically defined, like arson, it is going to be a problem of monumental proportions in the future.I'll stick with it thanks.
So you needed the cross-eyed "beauty" from Persia to tell you arson is a serious crime? Your European grandfather already knew it, and his grandfather before him. And White European jurisprudence already had serious redress for that crime, and a more intelligent approach to degrees of guilt. What you have, in the Baha'i Book of Laws, is the ham-handed, brute approach to life found in Islam. Almost zero to deal with today's grave problems: Porn, bio-engineering, eco-destruction, moral collapse...
@BookOfFlaws My European grandfather was flogged and deported to Australia for stealing a sheep. Moral behaviour in Europe had advanced at that stage for the flogging to be done in private, as against making it a public spectacle. The world changes. Baha'i Law encourages the lesser punishment and may I suggest the chapter on the correct treatment of criminals by Abdu'l Baha.All of the other grave problems are sorted. Lakum dinakum wa li ad-din.
@waiotahi52 -- Well, since your grandfather was flogged then I guess it's time we all revert to Byzantine Muslim-flavored punishments. Ooookay.
So you Baha'is have sorted out the problems of family collapse? Pornography? Homosexuality? Cloning & genetic manipulation? Transgenderism (body mutilation)? Technological depredation? Eco-destruction? Culture collapse? Tattoos? Your Book of Laws spends lots of time fulminating about the Dawning Place of Bombast, no time addressing any of these.
@BookOfFlaws ' It is time we moved with the times and not go back to Byzantine Muslim. flavoured punishments',is with all due respect, a stupid statement I have just spent 15 minutes on Google and have found the Baha'i answer to all these problems. What are your solutions?
Your "Book of Laws" is loaded with harsh, Byzantine, Islamic attitude if you hadn't noticed. My solutions? Those of Buddhism and Hinduism: Self-purification, because the world is one's own externalized projection and the flaws in it come from karmic impurities within. In their conception, and it is the truth, you save the world by saving yourself; that is, purify the world by purifying yourself. With chastity, meditation, and bhakti. (Those things in the Hidden W. that Baha'is don't care about.)
@BookOfFlaws I now realize that I need to thank you. I knew the answers to all the questions you asked, I had just taken this knowledge for granted. Not a good thing. So when I said I went and looked for conformation on Google, I was not kidding. You persuaded me to check out the writings,to get out the books and to have another look. It has reconfirmed my faith in Baha'ullah.
@waiotahi52 -- Well, good for you then. I am sure you'll look great wearing sable, silk, and squirrel skin in the New Dawn, and you'll look swell, also, in a casket made of rare stones, crystal, or beautiful hardwoods. Such Has it Been Decreed For the Primal Persuasion of Waio Tah-52, in this Most Sublime Dispensation, Did Ye But Know.
Baha'i funeral for me. As soon as possible after I die, no more than an hour from where I died, washed,a ring placed on my finger, wrapped in cotton, placed in coffin,( there is no hardwood where I come from) and buried not cremated, with the Prayer for the dead read at the grave side. Anything else is an option.
@wtapiwa -if the wife accompany her husband on a journey, and differences arise between them on the way, he is required to provide her with her expenses for one whole year, and either to return her whence she came or to entrust her, together with the necessaries for her journey, to a dependable person who is to escort her home.-69
@MillerGenuineCraft How many men are raped, murdered, molested, disfigured or otherwise made to feel frightened by women when they are on there own and how many women are raped, murdered, molested, disfigured or otherwise made to feel frightened by men when they are on their own?
@Lillymill - While that may be so, the Baha'i faith has some extraordinary safeguards in place against such an occurrence. I speak specifically of the Covenant, which was founded with incredible foresight.
Obviously, there will be future Manifestations. Humanity will need this renewal, so to say that the Baha'is will not be in need of further spiritual guidance is not so, but everything I've seen says to me that this people shall not lose its way quite as the peoples of the past have.
@Lillymill - The commandments are not a safeguard except to those who follow them. The covenant is a safeguard from those who do not. That is a fundamental difference.
@Lillymill - Observe the behavior of the people of ages past: when a law or ordinance was inconvenient to them, they would ignore it or abuse another law to circumvent it. When disagreements over the nature of a law took place, the churches would simply schism and form more divisions, each suited to the desires of one or another's interpretation. But in this day we have the Covenant, which renders such efforts futile, and protects the faith from its own adherents' misdeeds.
@Lillymill - Take, for example, the actions of Mason Remy: despite being one of the most influential, beloved and respected individuals within the faith, his sudden attempt to hijack and alter the faith was safeguarded against by the decree of the center of the Covenant, Abdu'l-Baha. Had this happened in an earlier dispensation (and it did) it would have meant (and did mean) a division in the faith and the downfall of its teachings in the world.
@Lillymill - To continue on this theme, if I were to go around and start killing people in the name of the Baha'i faith, much as terrorists have in the name of Islam and Christianity, I would be utterly unsuccessful in dividing the faith into a movement where this was acceptable; quite the contrary, the faith would be united against such an action, and it would be apparent to any perceiving eye that my actions were not in keeping with the faith, even to those unfamiliar with its teachings.
@Lillymill - Now that is an interesting question! You're talking about outside powers using the Baha'is in their political machinations, yes?
There are several things that would make that unlikely, however. One of these is our abstinence from politics. Another is the issue of loyalty to one's country, which is enjoined upon Baha'is the world over. Baha'is certainly aren't in the business of toppling regimes, nor supporting the practice; quite the contrary, Baha'is prefer the ambassador role.
@Lillymill - Take, for instance, Iran. Iran has committed the most conspicuous abuses towards Baha'is of any country. Yet, you will note that the House of Justice has not called for military intervention by the UN or any other country.
And besides, since when have Baha'is been coerced by persecution? Quite frankly our desire to speak out against persecution is almost more for the sake of the persecutors. They cannot truly hurt us; to suffer persecution in the path of God is a blessing.
@Lillymill - Now, can Baha'is as a subject be used politically? To a degree: yes. Iran does this, using us as a political scapegoat and injecting us into their conflict with Israel. But this, in the end, is ineffective. The conduct of individual Baha'is, brought about by Baha'i laws (which protect those that follow them) and reinforced by the Covenant (which protects them from those who do not) has made those accusations ineffective worldwide, and deprived them of credibility.
@Lillymill What you say may happen. But hasn't happened yet. Unlike other religions of the past, Bahais do believe that their religion is not the last one. They do not think that there won't be another messengar down the line. So the scriptures themselves have acknolwdged the possibility you are talking about. This, by itself talks to the openness of the Baha'i faith.
I watched this documentry, and I thought this guy was just plain dirty, he looked scruffy throughout! He needed to wash his hair!
WTF! His shirt!!!! He travelled to so many different countries and had the same dirty blue shirt with the collar tucked in, what the hell is all that about? You leaving your country going abroad, and you look like a tramp!! Dickhead!!
thanks for this posting..I like to think I am a spiritual person and one who can distinguish spirit from dogma..this man has managed to keep his mind open to allow for information to be received so that spirit can be enriched. Love the bahai faith, it is so shaped by love and acceptance..
Nice video, make sure you complement the viewing of this video with reading from other sources. I'm sure documentaries like this will get more and more accurate as the world becomes more familiar with this beautiful Faith.
byyyyyyyyy the way... the guy says at the begginning.. (im not being hatefull please dont think im negative ort whaterver) ... he says, theyre prophet : the bab...
the bab is not the prophet of the bahai faith, .. Baha'u'llah is the messenger of the Baha'i faith, the prophet,
The Bab was there just before him as a ... how should i say, he predicted the coming of Baha'u'llah, and he was the founder of the BABi faith .. not the Bahai faith... its not hatefull. its just information .. thank you
byyyyyyyyy the way... the guy says at the begginning.. (im not being hatefull please dont think im negative ort whaterver) ... he says, theyre prophet : the bab...
the bab is not the prophet of the bahai faith, .. Baha'u'llah is the messenger of the Baha'i faith, the prophet,
The Bab was there just before him as a ... how should i say, he predicted the coming of Baha'u'llah, and he was the founder of the BABi faith .. not the Bahai faith... its not hatefull. its just information .. thank you
Just a quick comment. The Bab was not the founder of the Baha'i Faith; however all Baha'is including the Founder of the Faith consider him a prophet and his writings and teachings are sacred to all Baha'is. Although Baha'is see all past manifestations of God as a part of their Faith, because of his close connection to the Baha'i Faith, The Bab, by all counts is treated as one of Baha'i central figures. :)
Well, it's usually said that the bahá'í faith started in 1844. So I don't think he is that incorrect. Krishna, Jesus, The Bab, Bahá'u'lláh and so many others are all prophets of the Bahá'í faith.
i rember you pete allen jones ,its not were christ was buried thats important,i hope you wasnt reading a smudgie board ,wonderful quote saying you meant that high 5,btw is it devon your from the make em creamy lol,
I believe the Rev s name is Pete OWEN Jones.... are you saying Pete doesnt mean what he says? I am totally sure that he does! Bahai seems to be a very encompassing belief that the world would be a better place for, should we follow it. War in the "Name" of faith is nothing more than war for wars sake - and no its not particularly relevant WHERE christ was buried, more the fact that he rose again and ascended, surely???
Just to clarify, Baha'u'llah teaches progressive revelation, that He is the most recent teacher sent by God for this age. For a Jew to become a Baha'i, he must accept both Jesus and Bah'u'llah, accepting Baha'u'llah as the path to follow, excluding all others.
If you read the words of Baha'u'llah in your "most holy book," and the disdain, contempt, and rage he expresses towards all sorts of waywardness or corruption, a Baha'i should have the same attitude toward gays. Baha'is teach a fake program that is basically Marxism posing as a religion.
OneWorldBore 1 day ago
AFTER LEARNING SO MANY WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT THE BAHA'I FAITH I WAS IHEARTBROKEN TO LEARN THAT THIS EXPANSIVE LOVE DID NOT INCLUDE GAY PEOPLE, IF IN AM MISINFORMED PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME......CHANDRA
chandra3311 4 days ago
@chandra3311 No no no no....just because the teachings dont allow for sex outside of marriage and marriage has to be between men and women in marriage DOES NOT MEAN THAT BAHAIS HAVE ANY SPECIAL THING AGAINST PEOPLE WITH HOMOEROTIC TENDENCIES...see what the teachings say about FAMILY, desire, lust and wordiness in its context...LOVE AND PEACE--
BAchoHAl 3 days ago
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Yo Flaws Just need to share this. I have a friend staying,and every so often he comes and has a look at these comments. Now, he went to various churches for a bit, and came out an atheist.When he read your comments he said your sort of stuff is what put him off. He read your stuff, then the Writings,he read you,he read the Writings. He said he can see the validity of this Faith,that there is a God,(again) and now it makes sense to him, and this 'Baha'i Stuff' is ok
Keep up the good work
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"that they may inhale from you the sweet fragrance of God."
This from dirtmouth over here.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
Much, much tougher stuff there than going to a pot luck every 19 days and spouting inanities like "God is one, man is one, all the religions are one."
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
Meanwhile, the rihis of the vedas asked men to:
-- Fast (for real, not the fake Baha'i fast). Fast means "no food" for as many days as possible. (I've only gone 16 days, but Jesus and others went over 40)
-- Practice strict celibacy (brahmacharya)
-- Live in seclusion (becoming content only with God-meditation)
-- Master the wandering mind by directing it to one thought (the most difficult human attainment)
-- Develop subtle perception
-- Merge in transcendental perceptions and bliss.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
""Know of a certainty that in every Dispensation the light of Divine Revelation hath been vouchsafed to men in direct proportion to their spiritual capacity".
So then why does the scowling vouchsafer ask so little of mankind these days when the rishis asked much more difficult spiritual attainments in times of yore? That is, the B-Faith asks very little: Live like everyday materialists, go to a get-together once every 19 days, spout shallow bromides. No biggie.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
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Plus ancienter religions deal with these areas of knowledge:
--How phenomena arise
--The necessary self-purification that automatically gives upgrade to projected phenomena
--The three mental states of man: Waking, dream, dreamless sleep.
--Mind-invented causation. (Creation arises spontaneously from Pure Consciousness/Brahman alone, not thru man's many mind-invented notions of cause.)
--The doctrine of non-creation (non-dualistic Vedanta).
And more. The Baha'i F. goes nowhere near these.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
The Hindu and Buddhist religions consider the state of "samadhi" (God union) to be the goal and purpose of religion. What can Baha'is teach about samadhi? Back when I was a Baha'i a Native American Canadian handed me a copy of the book "Autobiography of a Yogi." After I read it I realized: "I knew nothing about religion at all."
If a Bahai' will read that book, or something like "Miracle of Love" (on the Hindu saint Neem Karoli Baba) he will have to conclude: "I knew little about religion."
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws Consort with all religions with amity and concord, that they may inhale from you the sweet fragrance of God. Beware lest amidst men the flame of foolish ignorance overpower you. All things proceed from God and unto Him they return. He is the source of all things and in Him all things are ended.
Baha'u'llah
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago
Baha'is believe, sort of like modern Christians, in a penurious, niggardly, ungenerous God: He only communicates with man every 1,000 years or so.
The Hindus view God as much more gracious and parental than that. (If you were a parent, would you only check on your kids & speak to them once a 1,000 years?) No, the Hindus believe there is always an enlightened sage or saint (manifestation of God) on the earth at all times. In fact, many of them! Plus lesser saints and holy men of varied degrees.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
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Of course I was exposed to this Baha'i theory early on. Baha'is have their simplistic theory that God reveals "a little more truth every thousand years." To make the theory 'work' they basically ignore the content of the various religions and misrepresent them. It would be comparable to taking 20 beautiful birds and chopping off all parts of the bird that don't fit in, say, a 2-inch square long cracker box. This is too generous. Baha'i hardly encompasses 2 square inches of Hinduism.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
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BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
Just a few of the themes ancienter religions deal with in detail:
-- The nature of the mind
-- Unsatisfactoriness of exterior dualistic phenomena (all worlds)
-- The problem of the mind & conditioning as cause of exterior dualistic phenomena
-- The processes for cessation of mind and contact with causeless bliss behind mind
-- Techniques for contact with & perception, of God in the form of transcendental divine perceptions (Aum, Divine Light, gaining the 'Kingdom of Heaven' within here-now.)
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
The Bahai' notion of "progressive relevation" doesn't hold up under scrutiny. By their theory, older religions are more primitive, with less lofty truth; modern ones more sophisticated and carrying more knowledge. But if comparing the ancient Upanishads or texts like the Yoga-Sutra to Baha'i writings, the Baha'i religion look primitive & childish by comparison. For religious and metaphysical knowledge, the Upanishads are like a ball park full of people; the Baha'i Faith a small concession stand.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws "Know of a certainty that in every Dispensation the light of Divine Revelation hath been vouchsafed to men in direct proportion to their spiritual capacity".
"Little wonder, then, if the treatment prescribed by the physician in this day should not be found to be identical with that which he prescribed before. How could it be otherwise when the ills affecting the sufferer necessitate at every stage of his sickness a special remedy?"
Baha'u'llah
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago
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BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
One of the principles of this Faith is that Religion and knowledge are progressive.The proof is that some people are able to outgrow the principles laid out in this, the latest Religion and move on to greater things, and as such, both systems benefit.
waiotahi52 2 weeks ago
I don't know what you mean by "spiritual." Religion is the course of study that ends dissatisfaction and gives immortal bliss. Call it whatever. But those two are what human beings seek. Thus a man who can't show people how to end their suffering and get causeless bliss can't really help them much. People aren't contented by the material, and nature provides the material on its own. You don't even know how a plant really grows. As to excretions, god-seeking men have a reduction of excretions.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
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One day U will die and if U didn't give your entire life to The Lord Jesus Christ, followed Him, Loved Him, for sure U will go to Hell.
The plan of the devil is to have a place where all religions will be united and I know that it will happen one day for it is written in d Bible.
The second Beast will promote peace to the world.
Satan is using a lot of religion to deceive people.
The Bible is already here for thousands of years but people keep looking for emotions. (Religion will take U 2 Hell)
theprotector300 2 weeks ago
I see that no Baha'is have.sallied forth on with Winds of Certitude from the Day Pole of Bromides to make commentaries on those few randomly selected Gita verses. The truth is 95 percent of Gita content is completely incomprehensible to Bahai's. But once that content is understood, and how it addresses the real problems of human life (the mind; enmeshment in karma and limited, dualistic experience) -- one would never want to trade the Gita for ego-centric fulminations and bombast of Baha'u'llah.
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws I think it is incomprehensible to a lot of human beings in the world today, not only baha'is...
I agree though, I know that I would have been in serve trouble if nota for buddist and hindu scriptures. They were just more helpful to me at that moment.
It is obvious that an average baha'i, being an average person can't understand the Gita. To be honest I don't find it fully fair that you stress this. We don't need to bully anyone.
Baha'is have one good thing (cont.)
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco (cont.) and it is their general external "kindness" to everyone. Now, if it is real, hypocritical or not, if it is good or not, it's not the point. I just don't see a necessity to stress their perfectly expectable naivete, simple mindedness or ignorance that is the SAME of an average man, bahai or not, of today. Obviously most people aren't cultured or intellectually advanced. It is silly to expect them to be. And I justify bullying and aggressiveness, only to...
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco ...defend oneself. Right now you are spamming the baha'i videos walls, probably simply to annoy them. I am an ex baha'i and I received many insults from baha'is, but I have to deal with it with them, not with the random baha'i. It would be like having been offended by a woman and revencing towards another woman. BookOfFlaws, you are an advanced and spiritual man, and I want you to remain solid and aware of your virtues, but we really need some compassion for those below.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco I encourage you expressing your truths, opinion and awareness, and defending yourself from eventual attackers...I don't understand instead the continuous putting down the baha'is. It's not going to work anyway. Some are truly humble people, especially persians know how to bend down and take attacks without being shaken in their faith. They're going to see you only as a "test", and not as truth. It is offensive for the Gita that you expect any person in the street to get it
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
"...I do not think efforts...are useless..."
Fair post. Lets contrast other religions to Baha'i. Buddhism & the Upanishads (Hind.) say the exterior world is self-projected, like a nightly dream; that the flaws found in it are expressions of one's own impurities; that thus the world only improves by self-purification. Baha'is have no clue about any of these metaphysics, or what purification is. (And what if it's true.) Yet they think they could replace those religions & "fix the world" anyway.
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws you are based upon spirituality. I am a spiritual seeker, yet, I have to poo and pee, while there is nothing spiritual in this. Therefore, I am not going to abandon REASON. When I say that a person who can, sure has the duty to help the world materially, logistically and politically, it's out of pure reason - it doesn't have to be spiritual. I don't need a spiritual motive to poo. I just have to do it, period.A leader doesn't have to be spiritual at all costs in my mind
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
Nobody wants to "extinguish the sun." Settle down.
Read the "Most Great Book" ("Book of Laws") and it's weird laws on falcon hunting, expensive coffins, and bombastic self-referencing language of B-u-L and tell me it's really like the "sun." If you want scriptures that are like the Sun for illumination into the nature of God and the true solution to life problems, try the Upanishads. Nay, by my life, you will never be able to compare the hype and fulminations of Baha'u'llah to the Upanishads.
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws average people of today are not really seekers of truth, rather of COMFORT. We all know this, why do we have to state it? Let's state it then. People who embrace religion find in it most of all an adequate spiritual comfort and a community to hold on to and that makes them feel good, and to some point, this is legit and I don't gonna go and break their dream. I think somewhere in the Gita Krishna invites us to not "disturb their spirits". Remember this passage?
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco -- "average people of today are not really seekers of truth, rather of COMFORT."
Who wants to be like average people. There are enough of them. The above-average man gets comfort only from truth and divine knowledge.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws never said being average is desirable. I imply it is not. Average = bad.
duckotaco 2 weeks ago
@duckotaco -- Yes, I know what you meant. I was just saying what needed to be said.
BookOfFlaws 2 weeks ago
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Typo correction:
"For those who are attached to pleasure and power [Baha'i types]; whose minds are drawn away by such teachings [religions concerned with getting worldly results]; that determinate reason DOES not form which is steadily bent on meditation and Samadhi (superconscious state)."
Those with a world-oriented religion, like Baha'i, never get the determination to find God within, even though the Hidden Words pointed to God as within.) They have no interest to "look within thyself."
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
Like I said, once the metaphysical/philosophical content of the B-Gita begins, the typical Baha'i would stumble at most every verse, finding it incomprehensible. Or, thinking he understands when he doesn't. I know because I was a Baha'i more than 15 years, and I know that Baha'is have no clue what most of the above verses refer to. It only gets denser and more abstruse from there. The "7 Valleys" "cool in the fire" verse has some connection here. But Ba-hyes could care less about such things.
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
"The Vedas deal with the three attributes (of Nature); be thou above these three attributes. O Arjuna, free yourself from the pairs of opposites, and ever remain in the quality of Sattva, freed from the thought of acquisition and preservation, and be established in the Self."
Any explanations, Baha'i clown?
"To the Brahmana who has known the Self, all the Vedas are of as much use as is a reservoir of water in a place where there is a flood."
(Scriptures become superfluous to the God-knower.)
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
"For those who are attached to pleasure and power [Baha'i types]; whose minds are drawn away by such teachings [religions concerned with getting worldly results]; that determinate reason is not form which is steadily bent on meditation and Samadhi (superconscious state)."
Those with a world-oriented religion, such as Baha'i, never get the determination or interest in finding God within, even though the Hidden Words pointed to God as within.)
I am making only small comments here.
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws What! Believe ye in your hearts that ye possess the power to extinguish the radiance of the Sun, or to eclipse its splendor? Nay, by My life! Ye will never and can never achieve your purpose, though ye summon to your aid all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth.
Baha'u'llah
waiotahi52 3 weeks ago
Continuing on, Shivananda trans:
"In this there is no loss of effort, nor is there any harm (production of contrary results or transgression). Even a little of this knowledge (even a little practice of this Yoga) protects one from great fear.
"Here [in this yoga], O joy of the Kurus, there is but a single one-pointed determination; many-branched and endless are the thoughts of the irresolute." (The typical mind; the typical Baha'is mind, etc.)
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
Switching to a better translator, Shivananda:
"Having made pleasure and pain, gain and loss, victory and defeat the same, engage thou in battle for the sake of battle; thus thou shall not incur sin."
"This, which has been taught to thee, is wisdom concerning Sankhya. Now listen to wisdom concerning Yoga, endowed with which, O Arjuna, thou shalt cast off the bond of action."
(The average Baha'i has zero idea at this point what's being discussed.)
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
Continuing on, Stanford translation, a decent trans. and one of some 35 that I have:
"This knowledge was given in the way of knowledge. Now hear it in the way of action. Filled with which knowing, son of Pritha, you will be free of the bonds of action."
"In this [path of knowledge] no step forward is lost, nor can effort go down to nothing. Even a little of this teaching wards off great danger." (Other trans: "Even a little of this yoga gives freedom from great suffering.")
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
Understand any of this clown-baha'i?
Continuing on:
"The indweller is ever unharmed in the body of every one. Therefore, son of Bharata, even for all creatures you should not mourn."
(And yet you are a member of a religion that continually worries about "the creatures" and that's all it worries about. The Baha'i does not direct himself to God, the imperishable indweller, but to the perishing creatures. The BF is world-worship. The B. faith consists of an absurd ambition to "fix the world.")
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws The Gita is the Gita. Thanks for sharing these beautiful passages (hey, i'm the NON baha'i guy).
The B. faith consists of an absurd ambition to "fix the world."
I agree it's absurd on one hand, but I do not think efforts to "make the world a better place" are useless and stupid. Hindus can be too selfish for my taste. This is disputable
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
"The Gita is the Gita."
The Gita is only one (small) scripture of one of the world's oldest and most profound religions (Hinduism generally). Baha'is state that their religion encompasses and supercedes all the other religions. Yet 95 percent of the philosophical and metaphysical content of the Bhagavad-Gita -- such as the mechanics of meditation, the effect of actions or "impressions" (samskaras, impressions of experience on the mind), or the goal of "samadhi"-- are utterly foreign to Baha'is.
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
Continuing...
"As a man throws off his threadbare clothes and puts on others that are new, so, leaving his worn-out bodies, the embodied takes other fresh ones."
"Swords cannot wound him, nor fire consume him, nor is he drenched by water, and the wind does not wither him."
"He cannot be cut or burned, he cannot be parched or wet. Fixed, beyond time, he pervades all. Unchanging, unmoved, the same forever."
"For him that is born death is sure. And for him who is died, birth is certain."
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
After you're done explaining those, read on:
"Who thinks of him as a slayer and who thinks that he is slain do not rightly understand. He slays not, nor is slain."
"When a man knows him as undying, constant, never born, eternal, how does such a man cause killing or whom does he kill, son of Pritha?"
(Krishna is saying that the man who knows the unborn Brahman, though slaying men on the battlefield, slays no one and does nothing. Explain that Baha'i clown.)
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
Continuing on:
"But contacts with matter, son of Kunti, cause cold and heat, pleasure and pain...The man not moved by these...that wise man, to whom pain and pleasure are the same, he is fit to live forever."
"What is not can never come to be. What is can never disappear. Those who see the truth know the border between the two of these."
"But the world is pervaded by that which none can destroy--The Imperishable. No one can bring it to nothing."
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
Here are a few for you clown:
"You grieve for those you should not, and yet you talk about wisdom. The truly taught do not mourn for the dead or the living."
Explain that one Baha'i clown. Next:
"Never was a time when I was not, nor you, nor any of these kings, never will come a time hereafter when all of us shall cease to be."
"As to the person in this body, come childhood, youth, and age so is the coming of another body. The wise are not perplexed by that."
(This is the easy stuff.)
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
As mentioned, the first chapter is primarily narrative story-telling. Most people only read the 1st chapter once because that's all it is. It's when Baha'is hit the metaphysical and philosophical content, starting in chapter 2, that a Baha'i will be lost every 2-3 verses or so. That's starts by about Chapter 2, verse 11.
You give me the impression you've never read past the 1st Chapter, and that is why you don't realize that you have a shallow religion with little answers for the Bhagavadgita.
BookOfFlaws 3 weeks ago
REALITY CHECK. About those "equal rights". According to the Bahais you are all equally flung into this world subject to parental consent to have marriage and no sex outside of marriage, with this parental consent only revokable by a council of (9 men the Universal House of Justice) and (no women). AS a Bahais, everyone is equally subjected to this eugenic code of equally having no choice of who your parents are.
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I don't need to study "Baha'i Education" to know what children need in a mother. (By the way, I used to run Baha'i children's classes.) Mothering is not chemistry, law, mathematics, or social work. I fathered four kids and their mother (my wife) mothered well by having a heart full of love for them. She never used her college degree to mother. In fact, show me a woman who is given to intellectualism, loving college, and I'll show you a mother with less patience and less enjoyment of motherhood.
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BookOfFlaws 1 month ago
One of many Baha'i bromides and slogans (I know every one) that simply falls apart on analysis. One of many examples. If Baha'is got deeper than their little teaching "talking points" and actually THOUGHT (in the spirit of investigation of truth) they would not perch so pretty on their bromides. They say "religion is one." But if a Baha'i is asked to read one page of the Bhagavad-Gita they will generally be completely lost by the 3rd line, having no idea what the scripture is even talking about.
BookOfFlaws 1 month ago
@BookOfFlaws 'What wrought my people, and the Pandavas?' This is the 3rd line of the Bhagavad-Gita, perhaps with your knowledge of such things you would explain its meaning to me.
waiotahi52 1 month ago
Cute. I knew you Baha'is didn't want to read the B-Gita. That's from the first chapter which is mostly story narrative and contains very little religious or metaphysical content. Yes, once Baha'is get into the meat of the Gita, they would tend to be confuseh every 1st, 2nd, and 3rd line as I said.
By the way, that's not the "3rd line" of the Gita. It's the first line, and the first verse. You can't even get something like that right. Truly Baha'is have no interest in the religions.
BookOfFlaws 1 month ago
@BookOfFlaws 'Bhagavad-Gita they will generally be completely lost by the 3rd line, having no idea what the scripture is even talking about.'
CHAPTER I
Of the Distress of Arjuna
Dhritirashtra. Ranged thus for battle on the sacred plain-
On Kurukshetra- say, Sanjaya! say
What wrought my people, and the Pandavas?
Hindu, Bhagavad Gita
Like I asked, could you give an explanation of these words
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"to rid myself of my racism,"
Racial identity is good. Love your people. That's natural. You can't take care of everybody. Let the races live.They've been here a long time.
"to treat women as equals,"
Men and women are not the same. The Baha'i scriptures don't treat them as equals anyway. Feminism destroys family.
"generous"
"If he kills with intent, kill him." -- Aqdas
"to believe and trust in God,"
I find Baha'is are far more interested in the external world than in God.
BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
Alternative Baha'i Faiths (some of them are much better than the Haifa Heterodox sect, in my opinion):
SectsOfBahais●Com
Did you know that a British handwriting expert analyzed the Will and Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha and pronounced that it didn't contain one bit of authentic writing by AB? And that it had the writing of more than one person? Shoghi Effendi (who my old friend Ruth used to have dinner with), refused to let the original document be examined.
Love Your Race:
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BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
@BookOfFlaws I find it strange that if I find a belief system that urges me, among other things, to rid myself of my racism, to treat women as equals, to be honest, generous and tolerant, to believe and trust in God, to do my utmost to become a better person so that the world becomes a better place, to educate my children, particularly my daughters, to support any science that advances our civilization, you would make it your mission in life to take it from me. What is your mission in life?
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BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
"to support any science that advances our civilization,"
Hah. Bizarre. Is that what they're saying now? The original teachings of the Bab/Baha'u'llah were anti-technology; science should be SUBJECT to religion and not violate religious values. The Baha'is dumbed this down to "harmony of sci. and religion," Now Baha'is have it backwards.
"What is your mission in life?"
Me? God-knowledge. Not socialist propaganda. Knowledge indicated in the Bhagavad-Gita, Yoga-Sutras. Baha'is have no clue.
BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
@BookOfFlaws Please give the passages that show this
waiotahi52 2 months ago
"to educate my children,"
Everybody loves to get their kids out of their hair by sending them off to the state indoctrination institution.
"particularly my daughters,"
The kind of education that makes women happy, and good mothers, isn't had from schools. They become unhappy in careers lacking mate, children. Men are capable of a different standards. Now colleges, with more women than men, have lower standards. Why all the support to daughters to be unhappy, but not sons to be strong?
BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
@BookOfFlaws It is because women are the 1st teachers of their children, if women are educated, and may I humbly suggest you actually study the whole concept of Baha'i education and family life, then the children will be educated. And as motherhood, in the Baha'i Faith is the most important, and I do mean The Most Important job there is,the importance of this injunction on Baha'i s will become apparent to even the most anti Baha'i individual.........
waiotahi52 2 months ago
@waiotahi52 O YE THAT ARE FOOLISH, YET HAVE A NAME TO BE WISE!Wherefore do ye wear the guise of shepherds, when inwardly ye have become wolves, intent upon My flock? Ye are even as the star, which riseth ere the dawn, and which, though it seem radiant and luminous, leadeth the wayfarers of My city astray into the paths of perdition. Baha'u'llah
I am happy to discuss the principals of this Faith with you,but know this, I have had them before and have never been swayed away from what I believe.
waiotahi52 2 months ago
I've heard your "first teachers" bromide. What you miss is that it's useless to teach your child the things that are learned in colleges & universities and likely not a good thing. Why should a little child have to learn chemistry and math from his mother? What good does it do him? The kind of teaching a mother's supposed to give is emotional, spiritual, and moral. Precisely the things colleges DON'T teach. A mother who abandons her best mother role for college is a worthless mother.
BookOfFlaws 1 month ago
@BookOfFlaws I enjoy discussions with you, you generally provide your own answers and this case is no different. Of course a degree in Astro physics is of no value in child rearing. Baha'i education, put simply, starts with the learning of moral values, and lessons in motherhood and the raising of children, the value of prayer. Education in other fields comes after this, so you are correct.
waiotahi52 1 month ago
@waiotahi52 I notice you did not take my advice and study Baha'i education. It is a very complex subject, fascinating stuff.
waiotahi52 1 month ago
@waiotahi52 -- Reality is that a mother involved in education while being a mother is going to be the worse mother. Secondly, a college degree is going to come into play very little in childraising. The things that matter most, in a mother, are her own psychological background and heritage in family life; how much she was nurtured by her own parents, and the non-college wisdom and character qualities modeled by the mother. Your "first teacher" line is disingenuous and obscene.
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waiotahi52 2 months ago
@waiotahi52 I guess his mission in life could be to make your lies and hypocrisy quit.
If it were so important to you to become a better person and be tolerant, you'd just do it, not LIST it as you just did. Psychologists would say that you chose the baha'i faith not to genuinely serve OTHERS, but to feel better about YOURSELF.
And THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
What is wrong, is acting and thinking you're altruistic when you are only just selfish like you're supposed to be.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
@duckotaco I am going to have to bow to yours and Flaws superior intellect here, as I have absolutely no idea what on earth you are on about, but the live and let live lessons you have learned have little effect when it comes to the beliefs of others The definition of insanity is to repeat the same process, expecting a different result, you are not guilty of that. Your expectations are to repeat the same, get more of the same. I don't want that.
As-Salāmu `Alaykum.
waiotahi52 3 weeks ago
@BookOfFlaws fuck man, this is what I always thought without hearing that story. My dad asked me how would it be possible that the UHJ is wack, did Baha'u'llah make a mistake? Since we all know Baha'u'llah wasn't a fuckin' idiot coward (not saying he's anything else, or that he is God).
And I answered: dad, eventually some writings of the prophet must have been altered. he didn't even write them on his own hands...its very easy that they got altered for someones personal interest.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
Nothing like having a grip on the important stuff if you're gonna play with religion. Too bad you'd leave a world stripped of hardwoods if your religion made progress. My funeral? I don't think much about it. Religious people think of God, not funerals. (I was one of the pall bearers who took Ruth Moffett to her grave, by the way. In her bedroom we found a hair from B-u-L, in a little vial.) Baha'is may not offer much advice about the world's real problems, but they at least have funeral rules.
BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
@BookOfFlaws "Baha'is may not offer much advice about the world's real problems, but they at least have funeral rules."
you're a genius.
duckotaco 3 weeks ago
"Hidebound"? Please. I was in the Baha'i Faith for 15 years. There is no more intellectually hidebound and limited group of people than the Baha'is. Their intellectual range, as religionists, goes about one quarter-inch deep.
BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
Yes, beautiful faith and more!
Beulah502 4 months ago
GOOD MAN !
123uluvolu 5 months ago
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"My object is none other than the betterment of the world and the tranquility of its peoples. The well being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded." Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 7 months ago
The Bab's criminal record is now published online - I won't tell you here what it says.
ZionistsLie 8 months ago
I especially like the fact that Rev. Jones has kept an open heart and mind to investigate and report on all of our diverse Faiths, and be moved to make such a beautiful comment about the Baha'i Faith, as one which promotes the unity of all humankind.
imutubin1 9 months ago
BBC2:Battlefield Bad Company 2?! ;)
KladionicaCity 10 months ago
awesome
kuriaki71 10 months ago
Most excellent work. I was privilaged to go on Pilgrimage and visit the Shrine of the Bab, and Baha'u'llah, last summer. Most Holy experience.
fsmtdaler 10 months ago
As a bahai, or rather as a child growing up as a Bahia, I always wondered why we prayed to "the bob".
I hope this is an innocent enough comment not to warrent argument
butchdeadlift10 11 months ago
@butchdeadlift10 :-) Me too
waiotahi52 8 months ago
@waiotahi52 You know what Bahais need? a snack food. Though I doubt we can find a food passive enough. The Quakers took oatmeal and rice-cakes. Maybe we can sell tofu and celery.
This is not a religion that inspires comedy (sadly enough).
butchdeadlift10 8 months ago
@butchdeadlift10 Ahh food, we do it well, it's the only thing we can do. Can't talk about you mates who aren't there, can't drink, nobody smokes inside any more anyway but for some strange reason most Baha'i things I go to are a hell of a lot of fun. We are instructed to be happy, probably the only thing I'm good at:-) What is it about tofu???Celery yes, but tofu??????????????////
waiotahi52 8 months ago
In the Bahai Faith we find this man of the highest purpose, of an independent manner he is a seeker of truth. He follows no blind emitations.
Beulah502 11 months ago
This man's comments are fair and just.
Beulah502 11 months ago 5
What a beautiful video and what a great vision for the future.
passion4lifeorg 1 year ago
I love this beautiful religion that I am part of out of my own free will.
Many lies get told by our enemies about us but they should keep in mind that nothing can ever destroy the divine faith of Baha'u'llah.
yekeshgh1 1 year ago
"I hope that this is the future. I do."
Thank you for posting this. I enjoyed the series and the presenter's comments about our faith
from a Baha'i in the UK.
"The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens."
"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth."
"Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away and the 'Most Great Peace' shall come."
The Baha'i message is very positive & peaceful. It IS the future!
Peace to all
sisterelena 1 year ago 3
All this crasy peaple in the hell for ever
lilletoulouse 1 year ago
i'm not bahai, but i have to point out that its detractors' arguments about it being a cult, or a political tool, all miss the point. From what i've read, the teachings, and the writings are beautiful and sincere, and they appeal to the very core of any human being. More importantly, the true test of a religion is if it makes a person better today than they were yesterday. That is what people ultimately respond to. The detractors assume that people have no free will or choice of their own.
gte692h 1 year ago 2
@gte692h and the bahais i know are making things better around them. that is the bottom line. call it a cult, or whatever, but the truth is in the results, and they do good things.
gte692h 1 year ago 3
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Bahaism is a cult created by the British establishment as a 5th columnist force in the Mid East. The shameless propagandizing of this Anglican clergyman (when in the same program he had nothing but negative things to say about the local Christians, Jews, Muslims and Druze in Israel) proves the extent to which the British establishment uncritically supports this sinister fascist organization and promotes it.
wahidazal 1 year ago
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you can check their own website, he made some comments about the garden between 0:47 and 1:00.. there is a whole part missing there... by the way i watched it on bbc and not on internet therefore i cannot guide you to a resource other than the channel site itself. Sorry!
princessofethopia 1 year ago
Thank you Reve Pete for your heartwarming view of the Baha'i Faith - the hope for bringing together the diverse religions and nations of the world together and bringing to reality, "peace on earth as it is in heaven," as promised by Jesus and other Manifestations of God. Please note that Baha'u'llah was not a preacher but a nobleman who spent some forty years of His life in incarceration and exile since He brought His liberating message for the humankind.
irajkhodadoost 1 year ago
equal rights???what about homosexuals,not so mutch equal rights there!!!
toanpl 1 year ago
@toanpl - if you feel that the argument for the morality of homosexual relationships is stronger than the argument for the truth of Baha'i teachings, by all means you should not join the faith.
It's not as though the Baha'i faith forces people to join and adhere to practices they do not believe in. Examine our claims thoroughly and investigate the legitimacy of this faith for yourself, but likewise be ready to examine the basis of your own beliefs.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer
i understand that you are a bahai:-)super for you!!
only thing i want to say is that i think it is strange that bahai presents itself as a religion with no intolerance,thats not true.you are very intolerant of people who are living together and not married and of homosexuals.just like any other religion.thats to bad,but as you say no one is forced to join, thank god for free will.
toanpl 1 year ago
@toanpl - I don't see it as intolerant of homosexual people in the slightest. In fact, my own father is homosexual.
The fact that we do not consider the practice acceptable in our faith does not mean we are intolerant towards individuals with the condition of homosexuality, or with homosexuals who hold different beliefs. The faith likewise forbids drinking and adultery, but I doubt that anyone is likely to call us 'intolerant' on those standpoints.
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toanpl 1 year ago
Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.” “ I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the LORD Almighty.”2 Corinthians 17
316JOHNLT 1 year ago
We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain. For He says:n an acceptable time I have heard you, And in the day of salvation I have helped you.Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
316JOHNLT 1 year ago
As Ethiopian,"Who among the gods is like you, O LORD? Who is like you--majestic in holiness, awesome in glory, working wonders?Exodus 15:11.There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God.1 Samuel 2:2 esus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.John 14:6 We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain. For He says:
316JOHNLT 1 year ago
Thank you to Rev Pete Owen for making this doc & including the Baha'i Faith in his world tour of religions.
Bahá'u'lláh's message to us all:
"Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch. Deal ye one with another with the utmost love and harmony, with friendliness and fellowship."
Rev Owen finishes by saying "I hope that this is the future, I do."
I was raised in the Anglican church but became a Baha'i many years ago. For more information google "Baha'i prophecy fulfilled".
sisterelena 1 year ago
مساواة الرجل والمرأة فى الحقوق والوجبات بحيث لا يرجح إنسان على إنسان الروح اإنسانى متساوية فى الفكر والوجدان وبما ان الله تعالى قد ساوى بينهم فى الثواب والعقاب فهم متساوون فى الحقوق والوجبات فهم
نفس واحدة خلقها الله وهذه النفس خاضعة لقانون الوجود فإذا كانوا متساويين في الثواب والعقاب فى الآخرة فلماذا لا يتساويان فى الحقوق والوجبات
ومن مبادئ الدّين البهائي السّعي إلى الكمال الخلقي، فالغاية من ظهور الأديان هي تعليم الإنسان وتهذيبه.
bassim9999 1 year ago
: البهائية تنادى بإقامة محكمة عدل دوليآ بنتخب اعضائها من هيئات العالم اجمع ويكون الحكم فيها مؤيد من الجميع ويكون لها الأشراف التام على موارد الأمم وتشرع القوانين لسد مطالب الشعوب وتكون لها هيئة تنفيذية لتطبيق القوانين وتتولى الفصل والحكم فى اى نزاع ينشأ بين العناصر المختلفة . هذا النداء بمثابة مائدة يجد فيها العالم تحقيق آماله ورغباته الدين البهائي هو دين عالمي مستقل ينتشر في جميع العالم ما عدا دولة الفاتيكان ويمثلون اكثر 2300 عرقا من اجناس و قبائل وشعوب الكرة الأرضية
bassim9999 1 year ago
This series is interesting but the presenter can be pretty disrespectful and annoying at times. I guess he can't help it- he is a Christian, after all.
zom8135 1 year ago
@zom8135 Oooooohh no you didnt! hahahaha
TheatreFracture 1 year ago
Religion or no religion, human beings have been responseable for brainwashing, subduing, exploiting, people. The west has got a long history of it with the British empire, now the American empire. Both were secular. I can't get people blameing religion for the worlds conflicts.
1secretorder 1 year ago
There's one side of this story conveniently neglected.
Almost if not every single religion of the world, at one point or another, has been abused for subduing, brainwashing and exploiting people.
I am afraid to even consider the potential behind this kind of religion, especially in the light of globalization.
Sure, let's be open-minded, let's be tolerant and respect each other's beliefs but let us also not be naive and expect that just this time everything might go smoothly.
Lillymill 1 year ago
@Lillymill ...it might. I understand this skepticism. But from my experience, people read up on the Baha'i Faith, then go to meetings, participate in some activities, and see if they can find a flaw in its concepts, its community or its writings. Even those who don't join it, usually do not find anything to criticize about it. It is really an open-faced sandwich - so to speak.
melanieprice 1 year ago
@melanieprice
The very benevolence of the religion does not guarantee it will not be abused.
Just as the differences between various religions were and are abused for divisions and warmongering, a religion such as Baha'i can be abused for neocolonialism, perverting the tolerance and mutual respect into single-mindedness.
Lillymill 1 year ago
@Lillymill In the past religious orders have perverted the Word of God for their own ends. That is WHY God has sent Baha'u'llah (and the other Manifestationsof God) - to lead the people of the world back to God. Eventually, Baha'u'llah's message may also be tainted by humanity and used to control the masses. But the Writings clearly teach unity in diversity, accepting one another and loving one another because of our differences, not just despite them.
wtapiwa 1 year ago 3
@wtapiwa If you actually knew religion, then you would not be saying that. Islam and Christianity are directly opposed and cannot be joined as one. Unfortunately this kind of religion and thought will prevail throughout the world allowing the antichrist to set up shop and deceive everyone.
emekonen 1 year ago
@wtapiwa What about these quotes directly from Baha'u'llah? How do they make sense and contribute to the betterment of the world?
--Should anyone intentionally destroy a house by fire, him also shall ye burn; should anyone deliberately take another’s life, him also shall ye put to death.-62
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-Should the garb of anyone be visibly sullied, his prayers shall not ascend to God, and the celestial Concourse will turn away from him. 76
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MillerGenuineCraft 10 months ago
@MillerGenuineCraft
Should ye condemn the arsonist and the murderer to
life imprisonment, it would be permissible according
to the provisions of the Book. He, verily, hath power to
ordain whatsoever He pleaseth. (Baha'u'llah, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, p. 41)
waiotahi52 8 months ago
Baha'u'llah's first instruction was "burn him." Then he said, basically, if you want to be wussies about it, you could give him life in prison. When he decreed for a 3rd-time thief you should "put a sign on his forehead" he anticipated you would wussie s about it. So he continued: "Beware lest pity take hold on you in following the religion of God...We have disciplined you with the rods of Wisdom and commandments...just as fathers discipline their sons." Sorry you signed onto something bizarre.
BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
@BookOfFlaws It shows the severity of the crime, and does away with a personal retribution. It appears to me that if a law is so specifically defined, like arson, it is going to be a problem of monumental proportions in the future.I'll stick with it thanks.
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BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
So you needed the cross-eyed "beauty" from Persia to tell you arson is a serious crime? Your European grandfather already knew it, and his grandfather before him. And White European jurisprudence already had serious redress for that crime, and a more intelligent approach to degrees of guilt. What you have, in the Baha'i Book of Laws, is the ham-handed, brute approach to life found in Islam. Almost zero to deal with today's grave problems: Porn, bio-engineering, eco-destruction, moral collapse...
BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
@BookOfFlaws My European grandfather was flogged and deported to Australia for stealing a sheep. Moral behaviour in Europe had advanced at that stage for the flogging to be done in private, as against making it a public spectacle. The world changes. Baha'i Law encourages the lesser punishment and may I suggest the chapter on the correct treatment of criminals by Abdu'l Baha.All of the other grave problems are sorted. Lakum dinakum wa li ad-din.
waiotahi52 2 months ago
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BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
@waiotahi52 -- Well, since your grandfather was flogged then I guess it's time we all revert to Byzantine Muslim-flavored punishments. Ooookay.
So you Baha'is have sorted out the problems of family collapse? Pornography? Homosexuality? Cloning & genetic manipulation? Transgenderism (body mutilation)? Technological depredation? Eco-destruction? Culture collapse? Tattoos? Your Book of Laws spends lots of time fulminating about the Dawning Place of Bombast, no time addressing any of these.
BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
@BookOfFlaws ' It is time we moved with the times and not go back to Byzantine Muslim. flavoured punishments',is with all due respect, a stupid statement I have just spent 15 minutes on Google and have found the Baha'i answer to all these problems. What are your solutions?
waiotahi52 2 months ago
Your "Book of Laws" is loaded with harsh, Byzantine, Islamic attitude if you hadn't noticed. My solutions? Those of Buddhism and Hinduism: Self-purification, because the world is one's own externalized projection and the flaws in it come from karmic impurities within. In their conception, and it is the truth, you save the world by saving yourself; that is, purify the world by purifying yourself. With chastity, meditation, and bhakti. (Those things in the Hidden W. that Baha'is don't care about.)
BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
@BookOfFlaws Lakum dinakum wa li ad-din.
waiotahi52 2 months ago
@BookOfFlaws I now realize that I need to thank you. I knew the answers to all the questions you asked, I had just taken this knowledge for granted. Not a good thing. So when I said I went and looked for conformation on Google, I was not kidding. You persuaded me to check out the writings,to get out the books and to have another look. It has reconfirmed my faith in Baha'ullah.
Many thanks for that
waiotahi52 2 months ago
@waiotahi52 -- Well, good for you then. I am sure you'll look great wearing sable, silk, and squirrel skin in the New Dawn, and you'll look swell, also, in a casket made of rare stones, crystal, or beautiful hardwoods. Such Has it Been Decreed For the Primal Persuasion of Waio Tah-52, in this Most Sublime Dispensation, Did Ye But Know.
BookOfFlaws 2 months ago
@BookOfFlaws
Baha'i funeral for me. As soon as possible after I die, no more than an hour from where I died, washed,a ring placed on my finger, wrapped in cotton, placed in coffin,( there is no hardwood where I come from) and buried not cremated, with the Prayer for the dead read at the grave side. Anything else is an option.
You?
waiotahi52 2 months ago
@wtapiwa -if the wife accompany her husband on a journey, and differences arise between them on the way, he is required to provide her with her expenses for one whole year, and either to return her whence she came or to entrust her, together with the necessaries for her journey, to a dependable person who is to escort her home.-69
MillerGenuineCraft 10 months ago
@MillerGenuineCraft How many men are raped, murdered, molested, disfigured or otherwise made to feel frightened by women when they are on there own and how many women are raped, murdered, molested, disfigured or otherwise made to feel frightened by men when they are on their own?
Seems a sensible law to me.
waiotahi52 8 months ago
@Lillymill - While that may be so, the Baha'i faith has some extraordinary safeguards in place against such an occurrence. I speak specifically of the Covenant, which was founded with incredible foresight.
Obviously, there will be future Manifestations. Humanity will need this renewal, so to say that the Baha'is will not be in need of further spiritual guidance is not so, but everything I've seen says to me that this people shall not lose its way quite as the peoples of the past have.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer
And I'm sure that's exactly what every believer would say about his own religion.
A Christian would claim that the Commandments are the perfect safeguard against such abuse.
Faith and hope should go hand in hand but there's nothing wrong with remaining alert.
I am sure that true believers can get along just fine regardless of their respective religion.
But true believers were never the problem in the first place.
The faith is not about ignoring the unpleasant truth.
Lillymill 1 year ago
@Lillymill - The commandments are not a safeguard except to those who follow them. The covenant is a safeguard from those who do not. That is a fundamental difference.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer
OK... How?
Lillymill 1 year ago
@Lillymill - Observe the behavior of the people of ages past: when a law or ordinance was inconvenient to them, they would ignore it or abuse another law to circumvent it. When disagreements over the nature of a law took place, the churches would simply schism and form more divisions, each suited to the desires of one or another's interpretation. But in this day we have the Covenant, which renders such efforts futile, and protects the faith from its own adherents' misdeeds.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
@Lillymill - Take, for example, the actions of Mason Remy: despite being one of the most influential, beloved and respected individuals within the faith, his sudden attempt to hijack and alter the faith was safeguarded against by the decree of the center of the Covenant, Abdu'l-Baha. Had this happened in an earlier dispensation (and it did) it would have meant (and did mean) a division in the faith and the downfall of its teachings in the world.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
@Lillymill - To continue on this theme, if I were to go around and start killing people in the name of the Baha'i faith, much as terrorists have in the name of Islam and Christianity, I would be utterly unsuccessful in dividing the faith into a movement where this was acceptable; quite the contrary, the faith would be united against such an action, and it would be apparent to any perceiving eye that my actions were not in keeping with the faith, even to those unfamiliar with its teachings.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer
OK, this is really not what I was aiming at but let me put it this way...
Let's say country A plans to attack country B.
It happens that there's a considerable Baha'i minority in country B.
Anyways, country A manages to stir up the trouble by staging anti-Bahai atrocities by country B.
Under the pretext of intervening to save Baha'i, country A invades country B.
Wouldn't Baha'i the world over support country A in its military campaign under such circumstances?
Lillymill 1 year ago
@Lillymill - Now that is an interesting question! You're talking about outside powers using the Baha'is in their political machinations, yes?
There are several things that would make that unlikely, however. One of these is our abstinence from politics. Another is the issue of loyalty to one's country, which is enjoined upon Baha'is the world over. Baha'is certainly aren't in the business of toppling regimes, nor supporting the practice; quite the contrary, Baha'is prefer the ambassador role.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
@Lillymill - Take, for instance, Iran. Iran has committed the most conspicuous abuses towards Baha'is of any country. Yet, you will note that the House of Justice has not called for military intervention by the UN or any other country.
And besides, since when have Baha'is been coerced by persecution? Quite frankly our desire to speak out against persecution is almost more for the sake of the persecutors. They cannot truly hurt us; to suffer persecution in the path of God is a blessing.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
@Lillymill - Now, can Baha'is as a subject be used politically? To a degree: yes. Iran does this, using us as a political scapegoat and injecting us into their conflict with Israel. But this, in the end, is ineffective. The conduct of individual Baha'is, brought about by Baha'i laws (which protect those that follow them) and reinforced by the Covenant (which protects them from those who do not) has made those accusations ineffective worldwide, and deprived them of credibility.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
@Lillymill What you say may happen. But hasn't happened yet. Unlike other religions of the past, Bahais do believe that their religion is not the last one. They do not think that there won't be another messengar down the line. So the scriptures themselves have acknolwdged the possibility you are talking about. This, by itself talks to the openness of the Baha'i faith.
ForOurSoul 1 year ago
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I watched this documentry, and I thought this guy was just plain dirty, he looked scruffy throughout! He needed to wash his hair!
WTF! His shirt!!!! He travelled to so many different countries and had the same dirty blue shirt with the collar tucked in, what the hell is all that about? You leaving your country going abroad, and you look like a tramp!! Dickhead!!
1secretorder 1 year ago
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greatsinailove 2 years ago
thanks for this posting..I like to think I am a spiritual person and one who can distinguish spirit from dogma..this man has managed to keep his mind open to allow for information to be received so that spirit can be enriched. Love the bahai faith, it is so shaped by love and acceptance..
littlesweetfeet09 2 years ago
Nice video, make sure you complement the viewing of this video with reading from other sources. I'm sure documentaries like this will get more and more accurate as the world becomes more familiar with this beautiful Faith.
1am7h0m4s 2 years ago 12
Really does make it seem like a great religion. I'm going to have to learn more about this.
Chriscom28 2 years ago
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byyyyyyyyy the way... the guy says at the begginning.. (im not being hatefull please dont think im negative ort whaterver) ... he says, theyre prophet : the bab...
the bab is not the prophet of the bahai faith, .. Baha'u'llah is the messenger of the Baha'i faith, the prophet,
The Bab was there just before him as a ... how should i say, he predicted the coming of Baha'u'llah, and he was the founder of the BABi faith .. not the Bahai faith... its not hatefull. its just information .. thank you
francoisamodeo 2 years ago
byyyyyyyyy the way... the guy says at the begginning.. (im not being hatefull please dont think im negative ort whaterver) ... he says, theyre prophet : the bab...
the bab is not the prophet of the bahai faith, .. Baha'u'llah is the messenger of the Baha'i faith, the prophet,
The Bab was there just before him as a ... how should i say, he predicted the coming of Baha'u'llah, and he was the founder of the BABi faith .. not the Bahai faith... its not hatefull. its just information .. thank you
francoisamodeo 2 years ago
Just a quick comment. The Bab was not the founder of the Baha'i Faith; however all Baha'is including the Founder of the Faith consider him a prophet and his writings and teachings are sacred to all Baha'is. Although Baha'is see all past manifestations of God as a part of their Faith, because of his close connection to the Baha'i Faith, The Bab, by all counts is treated as one of Baha'i central figures. :)
rasouar 2 years ago
Well, it's usually said that the bahá'í faith started in 1844. So I don't think he is that incorrect. Krishna, Jesus, The Bab, Bahá'u'lláh and so many others are all prophets of the Bahá'í faith.
heimsreisarinn 2 years ago
i rember you pete allen jones ,its not were christ was buried thats important,i hope you wasnt reading a smudgie board ,wonderful quote saying you meant that high 5,btw is it devon your from the make em creamy lol,
danbit5 2 years ago
I believe the Rev s name is Pete OWEN Jones.... are you saying Pete doesnt mean what he says? I am totally sure that he does! Bahai seems to be a very encompassing belief that the world would be a better place for, should we follow it. War in the "Name" of faith is nothing more than war for wars sake - and no its not particularly relevant WHERE christ was buried, more the fact that he rose again and ascended, surely???
cazelk 2 years ago
Nice
KhalsaFouj 2 years ago
Thanks for posting. I met Peter Owen Jones last Monday - he is a wonderful speaker and very charismatic.
blacktoedferret 2 years ago
Just to clarify, Baha'u'llah teaches progressive revelation, that He is the most recent teacher sent by God for this age. For a Jew to become a Baha'i, he must accept both Jesus and Bah'u'llah, accepting Baha'u'llah as the path to follow, excluding all others.
gypsyrover2006 2 years ago
very nice thanks
26061360 2 years ago
wonderful, thanks so much
jorj119 3 years ago
Come up to South Yorkshire and be my local parish priest It would be a challenge
Cliffgirl 3 years ago
thank you very much:)
kusztar 3 years ago
amazing, this guy liked it, perhaps more than anything to date
naryanr 3 years ago