@a1mint. U r an idiot! All matter is energy, all energy is matter. Duh, where were u in Physics class. Energy is multi dimensional, there are energy devices that produce more energy than is taken in! Get with it man or go back into your cave of ignorance. As for this video, congratulations - great effort, great work! Keep it up!
I can say this HHO booster really does work. ( I know why ) The amount of power being use to energized the fuel cell is base on gasoline power. But be aware that Hydrogen is 3 times stronger than gasoline, so the pay back on the initial power being use was TRIPLED. There is a 2/3 gain in power. SO this prove that HHO does work.
Burning fuel is an explosion in the combustion chamber. Higher speed of burning with HHO means bigger boom in a smaller space. More torque or less fuel consumption. This technology is efficiency improvement.
After a little thought there is a slight possibility that the HHO could enchance the burn of the gasoline and get more energy out of it that way but also like I said this has to tested and some measurable evidence posted from that experiment so that I would lift my ass and redo it for my own believe.
The ammount of energy it takes to make the hydrogen/oxygen is more than that gained by burning it... ever heard of entropy? It's amazing the ammount of people who would endorese something based on physical principles they know nothing about.
@seansalvador1 I was just letting my mind drift a little just like the human race has done for a little time now, sorry about that :). But I assure you I know more than a little about science and I know one should always try to see things from a wide perspective. It's always good to ask questions. Some are quickly answered others has to be tested to get conclusions. That would be called good science or a common sense. This is one way for people to learn, ask. Entropy yes, I've mentioned it.
@gunnarrobert First off, that evidence isn't there. There is evidence that adding HHO increases flame speed, but the studies showing that are all highly questionable. Some people also confuse it with unrelated studies from NASA and a university professor in Australia. I've looked at both.
What's clear is that no evidence exists that the large amount of energy spent obtaining HHO gas is not returned by any increased efficiency.
@6tortured6soul6 No amount of open-mindedness is going to help you overrule the laws of nature. And yes, there is ample of evidence supporting the laws of nature. You should look up what it actually means, instead of making a fool of yourself.
@a1mint This has nothing to do with the "law of nature". If people did not think outside of the box we would not progress. Acording to the "law of nature" years ago, we could not fly. Everyone thought the wright brothers were crazy. The average American spends 30% of there day behind the television. At least this guys doing something. Weather it works or not. Its never a waste of time. The only fool is the person that believes everything they hear without understanding.
@6tortured6soul6 Did I not already address your stupid responses? I'm having this sense of deja vu. People once thinking that flight was impossible has never been a law of nature and those thought have never been a scientific conclusion. No, only idiots thought the Wright brothers were crazy. Intelligent people knew long before that flight was only a matter of make the right construction.
I agree that Americans compared to others are more ignorant and less intelligent. Tea+Republitards evidence.
@a1mint And just for reference, Im ASE certified and have an engineering degree. I did not read this out of an article. I have created Hydrogen with using a solar panel. Wheres the loss there? The only problem with hydrogen is that its hard to store. But I guess you knew that since you fully understand the "laws of nature" lol
@6tortured6soul6 Your sense of entitlement is worthless, especially since you're making silly analogies and comparisons. Instead of working with what the laws of nature mean, you think you can arbitrarily minimize it, to somehow make room for utter bullshittery and pseudo science.
@6tortured6soul6 The problem is that scammers and ignorant fools think that producing hydrogen on board on demand can gain energy by recycling it back into the engine of a car.
What you are talking about is something different. Creating hydrogen not by the engine but another energy source, the sun in this case. Sure, that's great.
None of that has anything to do with "laws of nature" by the way.
instead of assuming what I don't know, you should query. That's what a scientist would do.
@a1mint Your trying to sound intelligent but due to your insulting nature you seem to be very close minded. Like I stated, I am not making any claims but I do think there are possibilities. I dont think you understand how a turbocharger or supercharger works cause you still have not address that part of the conversation. You keep stating the "laws of nature" over and over and it means nothing to me but a like a cowardly cop out. Seems like you read magazines and do not do any real test.
@6tortured6soul6 It's you that's the one that's being condescending by trying to suggest what my position is without having queried enough information for you to draw any conclusions from. And arrogant by making it seem that you're entitled to the ultimate say here. It does not work - that's not how you conduct a dialog.
@6tortured6soul6 Yes, you are making claims. False claims. You claimed that the laws of nature will be "overcome" just like how people learned how to make flying machines.
A law of nature is not an assumption. You really need to actually look up what the notion of a natural law stands for. It ties in so much that literally just about everything we know of science would fall apart if any of the natural laws are incorrect.
Suggesting that these laws are weak, is just plain silly and unscientific.
@6tortured6soul6 As for turbochargers and superchargers, we have no have had any discussion about that, so it is completely silly for you to CLAIM that I supposedly do not know how that works. You need to stop making assumptions, and only judge based on evidence.
The laws of nature is not a cop out - it's real - it's there - and you're not going to break it.
@a1mint Turbochargers and superchargers create power on board. Creating hydrogen on board is possible, but the burning question is would it create enough to compensate what is being used. I get great results by just using 20A. Which is the than using your lights. And you cannot factor in the complete load of the alternator due to the fact its already spinning. You just factor in the losses which is less than than 8%. Doing a weight reduction and changing all lights to led can compensate.
@6tortured6soul6 No, turbo and super chargers do not "create" power. They convert the energy that is available in the fuel to kinetic energy more efficiently.
You're thinking about this in weird fuzzy goo like terms. You really need to start thinking like actual science: energy in = energy out.
In the case of a car engine: energy in fuel = car motion out + heat out.
Everything becomes so much easier to understand if only you think with those laws of nature at its foundation.
@6tortured6soul6 When you take electric energy from an alternator, that alternator becomes that much harder to turn. And that is because an alternator converts motion energy into electric energy. That energy is taken from the car's engine. The car will in fact either reduce speed or use more fuel when you take energy from the alternator.
Then converting that energy a bunch of times and putting it back, results in a net loss, due to heat losses. Every energy conversion makes heat.
@a1mint My theory. HHO converts energy as well, it does not create energy as so many claim. Yes, it adds friction on the alternator but a supercharger adds pressure on a motor as well. It only uses a percentage of alternator use since the alternator is already there spinning (8%). Yes, the gas it creates makes regular gas burn more efficient. The question still is does it take out more than it puts in? It may even be the oxygen part that makes you gain HP as would a Nitrous kit.
@6tortured6soul6 You're still not getting it. There is no such thing as unused energy. An alternator with no electric load being taken from its output, is easy to spin. The moment you start to take electric energy from its output, the alternator will suddenly become harder to turn.
Let's first cover this. I need you to confirm this, and I need you to understand this. First. Then we can continue.
@a1mint I never disagreed with the fact that using power from the alternator does create more friction on the alternator. I have rebuilt my own alternators by changing the brushes. That is why im comparing it to a supercharger which is ran on a belt which creates drag as well. Read my other comments correctly. I know there is no such thing as free energy. The energy is simply being converted. Yes, there will be losses as there always are. 20 amps only consumes 8% efficiency.
@6tortured6soul6 You said: "the alternator is already there spinning". That implies a suggestion that it's already doing "stuff" and you "might as well" take something that would otherwise go to waste.
I hope that that is not what you meant.
One thing at the time.
What do you mean with "20 amps only consumes 8% efficiency".
@a1mint No, what I meant is that your not adding an alternator just for this unit so you cannot base the energy on 100% of the alternators use. Even with the unit off the alternator has its own drag and turning the unit on only creates 8% additional drag at 20 amps. The unit does create drag.
@6tortured6soul6 To make sure it's made clear: an alternator converts kinetic motion energy to electric energy plus heat. The heat part is lost.
One of the problems I'm having with the way you're putting things is using words like "only". "only consumes such and such". It attempts to imply that something valuable costs little. That's not possible.
@a1mint A supercharger "Only" creates 5% drag on a motor but gives you a 20% increase. You seem to avoid the topic of superchargers so I will just assume you do not know how they work. Its all based on energy conversion. A turbocharger on the other hand does use wasted energy from the exhaust manifold to spin its turbine. That is why im not mentioning turbochargers.
@6tortured6soul6 The core of the argument is about on-board on-demand HHO devices is it not? I claim that they can not improve fuel economy. Do you claim otherwise?
@a1mint The only question is if it would create enough gas to compensate for the loss as well as additional to create gain. Until those numbers have been proven, repeating simple science does nothing for my interest. Hydrogen is 3x more explosive than petrol and oxygen does aid petrol for a better burn. Your adding 2 gasses the are proven to be beneficial to a motor. Once again, the only question is would it make enough gasses to compensate for its losses as well as create gain.
@6tortured6soul6 Again, you're not understanding the notion of energy.
Please tell me if you think that the following is right or wrong, and why:
When you take 10KW worth of energy from the engine, and convert it electricity through an alternator you end up with, say, 9KW of electric energy. Converting that to hydrogen through electrolysis would yield, say 8KW worth of energy stored in chemical energy in the hydrogen.
When you burn that in an engine, it would yield about, say, 5KW of motion.
@a1mint Where may I add did you come up with these numbers? Do you have a formula to conduct with? I am not assuming you can run an engine entire on hydrogen so you have to factor in the percentage of energy created by petrol and add that to the hydrogen numbers.
@6tortured6soul6 The numbers were a guess. What is not a guess is that each subsequent number is lower than the former number. You can replace the numbers with anything you'd like, so long as the numbers are lower each time.
End of day, you can not take energy from the engine, convert it, put back what you have left, and expect a gain. That is simply impossible. And that is in a nutshell what all this is about is it not?
@a1mint Dont worry. I already knew you guessed the numbers cause they did not make any sense at all. Superchargers, take energy from the engine, convert it, and give gain. So I will just assume you have no understanding of a combustible motor.
@6tortured6soul6 That point that you're pretending wasn't made, is the fact that everytime you convert an energy form, the resulting energy is lower.
No, a supercharger does not create energy. A supercharger provides more air allowing for more fuel to get burned. This means that you can lower the size of the engine, in turn saving fuel. It does not create energy, it results in a better conversion from fuel to motion.
It's clear that you're the one that is ignorant about all of this.
@a1mint Once again, no one is saying that superchargers create energy. But you do get power gains by converting the energy. Adding a supercharger adds around 75 additional HP to your motor and makes it run more efficient. You seem to be a text book speaker rather than someone that fully understands how these things work.
@6tortured6soul6 But you were claiming that superchargers were creating energy. "take energy from the engine, convert it, and give gain". Those are your words. The big problem is the "give gain" part. Energy is not being "gained" at all. It's not creating energy.
Again, stop with the assumptions how I might know less than you do, it's making you look arrogant.
We'll leave the judging of who knows how much to others. I'm not worried at all.
@a1mint What I mean by gain is you gain HP as well as better gas mileage by converting the energy back into the motor. I guess its more of the fact that gas motors are not 100% efficient so your more likely retrieving what would normally be lost. Its done by forcing more oxygen into the cylinder allowing for a more better burn. If you motor had 100hp 10mpg before and by adding a supercharger got 150hp 15mpg wouldnt that be considered a gain overall?
@6tortured6soul6 No, it is not "converting energy back into the motor". That is NOT how it works. It CHANGES the CONDITIONS inside the motor to make it MORE EFFICIENT.
More oxygen only allows for MORE FUEL, not "better burn".
The end result is a "gain", but it NOT because "energy" is being recycled or anything like that. You are VERY slow to comprehend things.
@6tortured6soul6 Notice how I'm using a completely different analogy than you are. You are trying to impress by saying things like how amazingly explosive hydrogen is. Whereas I stick to using terms like quantity of energy.
When you explode gasoline, you can not convert that energy into hydrogen that would in turn generate an even greater explosion. You can not create energy, period.
@a1mint I have no reason to "impress" you. Dont flatter yourself. Once again you mention creating energy like that was not addresses 4 paragraphs ago. So in return, your saying that superchargers are hoaxes as well cause they convert energy used from the motor resulting in more useful energy.
@6tortured6soul6 Oh believe me, I'm not impressed at all. My point is that you seem to try to make yourself look big, and that's arrogant. Simply an observation. You might want to work on that.
Another problem with you is that you have the habit of making straw man arguments. Look that up if you do not know what that means.
@a1mint I try to make myself look big by saying hydrogen is 3 times more explosive than petrol? Its called stating a fact. I did not make that part up. Your observation is incorrect as of many. I must of hit a nerve cause you seem to lost all of your composure. Just because you uses different terminology does not mean you know what your talking about.
@6tortured6soul6 You're trying to make yourself look big by claiming that you are entitled to be the knowledgeable one, and claiming I know less, making you very arrogant.
And again, you are not understanding energy. Again, you can not convert the energy of a gasoline explosion to hydrogen, and have it explode again with more force. *IF* hydrogen explodes 3 times more powerful, then you'd have 3 times less quantity of hydrogen after making that hydrogen from the energy from the gasoline.
@a1mint If you think im trying to make myself look big by stating a fact then you have some insecurities you need to deal with. Since your so smart heres my idea. What about using a turbine on the exhaust to spin an additional alternator just for the use of creating hydrogen which is returned to the motor. Turbochargers do not put any load on the motor due to the fact the use the force of the exhaust to spin the turbine. Hydrogen assist.
@6tortured6soul6 You are making claims that are not right. I'm simply correcting you. It's very hard to keep you focused, because you are not acknowledging what I say and respond with straw man arguments all the time here.
Placing a turbine at the exhaust that takes energy to turn because the alternator creates a drag, reduces the power output of the engine. The air pressure difference between cylinder/chamber and output becomes less because the turbine is restricting the exhaust. Not good.
@a1mint We already discussed losses as there will always be. I never disagreed with that point. Your repeating the same subject and missing the point of what im telling you. Superchargers and turbochargers have losses as well but they recover enough to compensate for that.
@6tortured6soul6 I keep repeating my point because you keep not getting it right. The thing about super/turbo chargers that you keep on stating wrong, is that you claim that it is the energy that goes around back in to the engine what is creating the "gain". The point that I keep making is that the CONDITIONS inside the engine is changed USING that exhaust tapped energy so that the next cycle converts the explosion energy to motion energy more efficiently.
@a1mint Lets just agree to disagree. This conversation is going no where. Its like trying to prove to a priest that god isnt real. Its just not going to happen. There just going to come up with points to avoid the actual facts that are right there to avoid what your actually saying. I have an open mind to things consider this a waste of my time. Im doing actual research at the moment.
@a1mint Just so you know, a hydrogen on demand car is already in production. /watch?v=lFyn3_fBoBc on youtube. The car is the Ronn scorpion and theres many videos on it and how this system works. At least some people in this world have an open mind so things can get done.
@6tortured6soul6 The Scorpion Supercar is a scam to attract investors. There isn't any scientific approval of on-demand on-board hydrogen generation systems being beneficial for performance or economy. Period.
@a1mint I wasnt surprised of your comment. This car is real and Arnold Schwarzenegger has driven it. Its been out since 2009 and yet the so called hoax is still up and running. Ive contacted the company and to my excitement there is a car here in Miami I can go see. Being a supercar enthusiast as well as my fascination with hydrogen technology will make this a win win.
@6tortured6soul6 I'm not surprised by your comments at all either. You're very predictable. You'd never question any claims that any other HHOer would ever made. YOu automatically approve any and all claims made by any other HHOer. Fact is, there is only one "prototype" every made, and never sold to anyone.
It's a SCAM ! Bold in your face bona fide FRAUD ! A LIE !
@a1mint Heres where you dont listen again. Like I stated, I never said I knew for sure if this worked or not. But, I have my own personal reasons why I think it can. There is many scammers out there as of everything elce. Alot of mechanics scam people every day. Ive seen it done personally. I still do not think you fully understand the laws of physics and thats why you think it applies to such a device.
@6tortured6soul6 You've used the Scorpion car as an argument to attempt to give credibility to on-demand hydrogen generation. It doesn't prove anything. In fact, it further shows HHO in a negative light: zero sales, only prototype, no scientific verification, no numbers or facts, etc.
Burning on-board on-demand generated hydrogen can not possibly provide any benefits, because the energy that the gasoline engine had to spend can not be made up for - hence, it's always a loss. Period.
@6tortured6soul6 A common stock air filter restricts air flow and therefore reduces efficiency. The amount is questionable. A "high flow air flow filter" can only reduce that air flow restriction and therefore improve efficiency. It should not be seen as "adding HP and mpg" but more like reducing less where possible.
Some kids think high flow filters and exhausts are somehow a source of power so you see them do stupid silly things like installing oversized mufflers and such.
@a1mint You afraid of using the word add lol. I have done all 3 things and "added" hp and got better mpg on my M3. Does not matter if you were at negative before. Once you have an increase its concidered adding. Thats like saying -6+3=-3 is not adding. When you improve efficiency you add hp and mpg by making your car more efficient. I regained about 14 hp and 2 mpg on the dyno and a nice little grumble. Computers dont lie, only people do.
@6tortured6soul6 As for the belt. The electric one will only run as much as needed. A belt driving something like an old fashioned fan-kludge or flex blade always creates a restrictive load on the engine. The fan-kludge is supposed to slip more at lower temperatures, but often those things get stuck. I know because I used to have a Monte Carlo SS and had oodles and oodles of problems with it. What a pile of crap that thing was, good grief.
@6tortured6soul6 ... a turbocharger does put a load on the engine. However, if that energy is used to change the conditions of the engine, so that the explosion happens at a greater starting pressure, then the overall efficiency ends up being higher. What it does is it does not "create" energy, but it makes the engine lose less.
@a1mint Correct. I guess I should not use the word create but rather retrieving energy that would normally be lost. So wouldnt one assume that hydrogen may have the same effect as well. We both agree that it does allow for a more efficient burn. NASA has verified that for everyone. Yes, there will always be losses as we already discussed, but if you can compensate for those losses by retrieving more than what is lost then you can be more efficient.
@6tortured6soul6 Retrieving energy is also not the right way of thinking about it either. It would be better to say that you give up an amount of energy from the exhaust flow, and use that energy to improve the conditions of the engine on the next cycle. This to make sure that this is not about recycling energy.
Mixing hydrogen with the gasoline vapor does not make the gasoline burn better. Each burns independently.
third i did my whole senior project on HHO gas and fuel economy (in my HS you have to work a whole semester on a project, report on it and everything to having a working product to a thesis and 20 presentation on it) i got a 98
last but not least in order to get good fuel economy you have to tune your cars ecu (computer) to cut back on the amount of fuel you use
@seansalvador1 I think noone is talking about overunity. Just if maybe the HHO gas would, induce the burn of the fuel and make the combustion stroke more violent?! maybe it burns seperatly from the fuel or it may be combined burning process, either way it is I just haven't seen any reports on the power output with and without this device. I would like to see that but a hint from me to you...I don't think it works. ;)
@a1mint uh, you have a strong enof alcalizer and compound carge paltes it is possbile to exsartct hydride H2- negative produces vastly more enrgey than hydrogen.
@Trunkten38 You can not get more energy out of something than you put into it. There is no such thing as some sort of magical super duper uber solution that makes it magically more productive. The natural laws of the conservation of energy states that you can not create or destroy energy. You can only convert it. Perhaps you found a way to convert more - but that energy comes from somewhere. The alternator, the engine, in this case. More load. More waste. Energy that's not going to come back.
No they are talking about increasing efficiency, which would require it!
Nitrous oxide does the job of providing more oxygen for a boost, as does a turbo/supercharger, but adding hydrogen and oxygen at a net loss of efficiency does nopthing but the opposite of what is claimed in these videos.
okay HHO works it is very flammable and explosive (i know because i temporary lost my hearing in one ear after igniting it in a closed tube
second i have run a lawn mower off of this stuff it really work and if anybody says otherwise then they are fools that have bought into the oil company lies
@SUPERR3DROCKET ...Go back to school my friend. It is basic physics, I'll break it down for you. This Mitsubishi we got here in this video has a petrol engine, it runs on gasoline. That gasoline has an X amount of chemical energy in it. You simply cannot take a part of that energy to make HHO gas and then put it back into burning process and expect a greater outcome then the gasoline had in the first place. On the other hand if one would make HHO at his home and add it to the burning process...
@SUPERR3DROCKET How can you see from me and others trying informing you about the truth behind this, is being a dick?!!! What?! Use the scientific method to find the truth yourself. Plus of course all the physics and chemistry books available world wide.
You know it works? You can create overunity? Really... you must be the richest and most famous person in the world then.. i watch enough TV to know you are talking shit!
Running a hydrogen reactor from your car battery (alternator) and feeding the resultant gasses into your intake will not give you more power or efficiency. The ammount of energy it takes to make the hydrogen/oxygen mix is more than that gained from burning the resultant gasses even in a perfectly elastic situation!
@SUPERR3DROCKET Oil companies?! me?!!!! No, no, no. I would love to see different kinds with less or non polluting emmission. Let's say I'm pro nature :) but unfortunately I must say I think this is making your engine less efficient
If the principals behind this equipment would exually work, one could also make a "forever machine" in other words one could make a machine that creates it's own fuel and would be forever self-sufficient. Unfortunally that hasn't been made yet.
@seansalvador1 Don't over read every word man :) I speak like a good scientist should. Never say something isn't possible. History tells us that, remember kopernikus? Or Galileo? and other guys of course.
No you don't... if all scientists were in the process of testing things that blatently CANNOT work due to the laws of physics the world would come to a standstill very quickly.
PS That's 'Copernicus'.
It is not possible for me to walk outside and jump all the way to the moon. I cannot reach escape velocity with my strength and even if i could i wouldn't survive it. Some things are impossible!
If anyone can make me the following kit i will literally and gladly pay them 1 billion English sterling pounds for it -
*A battery hooked up to a bottle of water in tha manner above (a hydrogen reactor) that runs the hydrogen and oxygen to a combustion engine that charges the battery with enough power to keep the whole thing going* - Do this and i promise you now (i have never boken a promise i can remember) i will literally pay you £1b.
No joke! You be the greatest physicist who ever lived!
True, true, energy cannot be formed nor "destroyed", one can only change it's form. I learnt that in high school, no need to invent the wheel over and over again. The thing is, you are drawing electricity from your alternator (which origins in the energy that comes from gasoline, that runs the engine and the alternator) so my guess whould be an overall energyloss due to heat generating in cells and wires, heavier load on the alternator and a possible spill here and there.
True, true, energy cannot be formed nor "destroyed", one can only change it's form. I learnt that in high school, no need to invent the wheel over and over again. The thing is, you are drawing electricity from your alternator (which origins in the energy that comes from gasoline, that runs the engine and the alternator) so my guess whould be an overall energyloss due to heat generating in cells and wires, heavier load on the alternator and a possible spill here and there.
LOL, its people like Animeplanet7 that make me simultaneously lose faith in AND have hope humanity as a whole. Im sure there is a need for them in society, but I havent figured out where it is yet? "Methinks thoudoeth protest too much..."
"AnimePlanet7": You are one of the biggest tools I have ever seen on YouTube! This guy isn't trying to sell anything but just sharing his experience with us. You talk about how fake this is and bag him out then proceed to tell us how you believe in God and Jesus... Are you serious?! You believe in an invisible man? hahaha!! Lucky you love Jesus because I reckon he is your only fucking friend! Even funnier... He is an imaginary friend! hahahaha!!!!!
"yourallstoopid" you need JESUS!! Plain and simple! You sound angry and soooo bitter...and guess what?! It ain't about me or niggers or anybody....but you!! I bet you are in a 'world-of-pain' to talk like that...even if you are 'joking'. And I don't think you are, you need to let Jesus into you "crushed-heart" only he can 'heal' that pain in there! I don't know U, but God does. He know where U live, he can even 'see' your thoughts before you type them, let him into your life. Let the anger go!
WARNING: If you want to email me and rage, and curse and use profanity at me because you are angry DON'T!!! Almighty God (Jesus) does not like LYING but he LOVES YOU! Even if you are an angry-bitter-rage-filled-liar!!! He loves you and I love you too.. You will FAIL to 'provoke me'!! I love people that's why I 'teach' them whenever I get the chance! People should not be lied to to make a buck! God is going to DEAL with people who misuse the things (science) he has given us!! STOP THE LIES!!
..and people with low or NO education making 'claims' (false) of how well this thing works. Notice they are NOT RICH! they know they CAN'T sell this JUNK device to a company because the company has too many COLLEGE EDUCATED science people and BIG money to be scammed! So they go to the internet and youtube and flat-out LIE! Name me ONE person who got rich off of this booster-scheme!! There are none!! Big oil loves these liars up here because it keeps people in the dark! Blind leading the blind!!
And for all the folks who are thinking of buying one of these consider this. New technology if it's built at home, say at the kitchen table or garage or workshop usually goes through 'developemental-stages'. Then a big company buys the thing and now it's in a well funded lab. If it still does well then it gets built and is market tested in the field with real people! Notice every video up here about this so-called 'booster' is shot in a garage, shed or in a back yard, with loud music...
Want to save GAS?!! 1)Don't take passengers.2) Clean out your trunk, carry only what's needed.3) Don't SPEED! 4)Keep ALL (not just oil & gas) of your car fluids at the safe & proper operating levels! 5) Keep clean oil & air filters. These common-sense things can REALLY SAVE you GAS! This is NOT rocket-science!! These are things you can do....TODAY!! And you don't have to be SCAMMED or pay someone to do them! And think of how good you will feel about yourself and saving fuel and money!!
All these guys who sell these things have not tried one, simple thing......I DID! Put a thermometer into the water of one of these things. You are heating up the water (costly power consumtion from the engine) do not believe me...go try it! Water has to be turned into steam to be split into hydrogen! Heating water and then 'cracking it' takes up alot of power...which is then CONSUMED to MAKE that power! So NO NET GAIN! " You can't get gold outta' rocks"! And this SCAM ain't gonna' make you rich!
Take a permanant magnet motor with it's two wires separated and spin the axle (it should turn easy) then twist the two wires together and spin the axle again, notice it is HARDER to turn!! If you can find a motor with a flywheel on the axle that's even better. This device puts a 'shorted-out' load on a car's alternator requiring the alternator turn 'HARDER' against the engine...consuming more FUEL!! Any hydrogen made (very small amounts) are BURNED UP spliting this hydrogen!!
This thing produces small amounts of hydrogen and it's burned up being used to power this junk! You take two electrodes throw them in a jar with water and salt to make the water a better conductor, right? But real it's just a big'SHORT-CIRCUIT' in water!! Short circuits consume the MOST power of any cicuit. They require lots of power to sustain. If you hook them up to a generator the generator will be harder to TURN! Try this out guys and learn something.
That is my point...exactly. None of these people who make or sell this scam device have a proper education...I bet most of them are high school drop outs who think getting a GED is the same as going to college!! LMAO!!! Buncha' LOSERS! And they get angry when someone understands 'TRUE-SCIENCE' and cuts them down!! They are ANGRY, RAGE-FILLED people who want to be 'somebody important' but they are too lazy and or stupid to bring this about!
@AnimePlanet7 UMMM, I m a high school drop out and got over cancer, bone cancer naturally. I am involved in deep - private - scholarly works and cherish more and more not having been "mind Locked" by conventional, memorize/school systems. I have observed your overreactions on you tube and hope that Christ like behavior is demonstrated by you more and more. currently it is emotionally violent behavior and demeaning to most human beings. Isn't that Satanic?
yaeh really! to the people who are retarded and seem to forget the whole water to hydrogen thing. GO FUCK YOURSELVES AND SUCK BIG OILS COCK FOREVER NGGERS
Imagine...you've made it big, the fine house, all the best clothes and things money can buy. Then you buy one of the fastest cars in the world, something like a Veyron or a viper, then you look under the hood to see a cheap plastic jar! supposed to 'help' the car....I would go back to the dealer and punch him in the mouth!!! For putting this JUNK in my fine car!!This thing does make hydrogen..but then it burns it all up trying to power a 'shortted-out' 'scam-jar-device'!! This device is a SCAM
@AnimePlanet7 WOW, your a violent guy. Even the Ancient & Respectable Knight Of Malta would say your a bit blood thirsty eh? ah satan is mysterious. When was the last time you saw into your heart and cleaned the venom?
@a1mint True, true. Energy can not be made nor "destroyed" like I learnt in high school. One can only change it's form. No need to invent the wheel over and over again. The thing is, you are drawing electrical energy from your car to seperate the H2O into HHO so it can combust in the cylinders so my guess for this whole experiment would be an overall energyloss due to heat generating, higher load on the alternater and possible spills here and there.
All the energy conversion incurring losses, yes, and also don't forget how the path of energy goes through the combustion process twice. Energy is being converted from chemical storage to kinetic twice. Massive loss there.
@gunnarrobert Thing is, these HHO people aren't here to invent solutions that benefit it us at all. They create this environment of lies hoping to lure in gullible people that are fooled into thinking that there is something to be gained.
I'm doing my bit to help the common man so that they might start to ask questions and start to think, and so they might avoid falling for these scams.
The moral of this fable is - don't go trying to save money using physical principals you know nothing about, all you end up doing is wasting time and money!
No it's not. It's not nice to experiment with things that cannot work by the most fundamental principles of your hypothesis... that's not science, it's wish thinking ignorance
@a1mint True, true, energy cannot be formed nor "destroyed", one can only change it's form. I learnt that in high school, no need to invent the wheel over and over again. The thing is, you are drawing electricity from your alternator (which origins in the energy that comes from gasoline, that runs the engine and the alternator) so my guess whould be an overall energyloss due to heat generating in cells and wires, heavier load on the alternator and a possible spill here and there.
@a1mint True, true, energy cannot be formed nor "destroyed", one can only change it's form. I learnt that in high school, no need to invent the wheel over and over again. The thing is, you are drawing electricity from your alternator (which origins in the energy that comes from gasoline, that runs the engine and the alternator) so my guess whould be an overall energyloss due to heat generating in cells and wires, heavier load on the alternator and a possible spill here and there.
hho increases the efficiency of the overall burn of the fuel in the cylinder which in turn leaves less unburnt fuel in the cylinder and leads to more efficient combustion which relates to fuel savings. No one is saying that they are getting more energy from the hho than the energy that was used to create it. The extra energy is coming from the extra fuel that is usually wasted as emissions being burned instead of wasted.
Maybe if you include the excess fuel that is burnt inside the catalytic converter that wasn't completely burned during the combustion in the engine cylinder. Where did you see that 99% of the fuel is ignited inside the cylinder itself?
@arcadestogodotcom If some of the fuel isn't being burnt, then the side effect is that the catalytic converter ends up melting into a clump.
Your attempt to sell your story that hho someone creates a more complete burn isn't working.
Your attempt to sell your story that whatever that incomplete burn didn't return, can be gained by burning hho generated from power off the engine, is complete and utter hogwash.
@a1mint Your not creating energy, you are using the energy already in the hydrogen in the water as a fuel. What you said is like saying hydrogen bombs don't work and they are fake.
what about a nuclear power station? they produce more energy than they spend to make it. a LOT more. why is it so far off that releasing hydrogen can produce a similar result?
@sausagenmuff This has nothing to do with HHO and all the little dirty scummy creepy little HHO peddlers.
And no,, a nuclear power station does not produce more energy than is put in. The uranium is an energy source.
You've got some serious shortcomings in the science department. As do all the HHO believers. And that's all it is, an unfounded faith, a belief, without any evidence whatsoever.
@a1mint first of you sound like a argumentative person, so i feel bad for whatever is negative in your life.
with that said, I don't pretend to be a scientist, but what you are saying is a nuclear power plant has energy stored in the fuel it uses, and it's releasing that fuel, correct?
well if Hydrogen is a (relatively) powerful fuel (like uranium) if you can release that hydrogen from the water, you can then use that energy. again I'm not saying I'm
@BackwardTechnologies Why would you want a 100% H2. You only need H2 for the gazoline efficiency increase it provides
aquarrius6 1 month ago
@bikerking9876 You can turn it off by simply clicking the mute button.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@a1mint. U r an idiot! All matter is energy, all energy is matter. Duh, where were u in Physics class. Energy is multi dimensional, there are energy devices that produce more energy than is taken in! Get with it man or go back into your cave of ignorance. As for this video, congratulations - great effort, great work! Keep it up!
gkutt57 3 months ago
*Face palm @ the comments*
13098519 4 months ago
I can say this HHO booster really does work. ( I know why ) The amount of power being use to energized the fuel cell is base on gasoline power. But be aware that Hydrogen is 3 times stronger than gasoline, so the pay back on the initial power being use was TRIPLED. There is a 2/3 gain in power. SO this prove that HHO does work.
HHOhybridBuilder 6 months ago
Excellent Work! My respect, I just want to know, what did you use for fool the computer? Thanks for share.
arthus1971 9 months ago
Stan Meyer is the only one to achieve that so far and his theories were way more advanced than what is being done today so far...
HybridWaterMan2 1 year ago
you can take the energy for proces from alternator and you will not waste nothing
I think:))
doomyboss 1 year ago
Burning fuel is an explosion in the combustion chamber. Higher speed of burning with HHO means bigger boom in a smaller space. More torque or less fuel consumption. This technology is efficiency improvement.
MrTwisterPM 1 year ago
Umm..... "your weeks away from 100% fuel saving" so what will you be using to make the HHO?
Would be great if you re worded that, removed the sound track, slowed down the camera movements and told us a little about your design.
Cheers, constructive not negative
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
After a little thought there is a slight possibility that the HHO could enchance the burn of the gasoline and get more energy out of it that way but also like I said this has to tested and some measurable evidence posted from that experiment so that I would lift my ass and redo it for my own believe.
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert
The ammount of energy it takes to make the hydrogen/oxygen is more than that gained by burning it... ever heard of entropy? It's amazing the ammount of people who would endorese something based on physical principles they know nothing about.
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 I was just letting my mind drift a little just like the human race has done for a little time now, sorry about that :). But I assure you I know more than a little about science and I know one should always try to see things from a wide perspective. It's always good to ask questions. Some are quickly answered others has to be tested to get conclusions. That would be called good science or a common sense. This is one way for people to learn, ask. Entropy yes, I've mentioned it.
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert First off, that evidence isn't there. There is evidence that adding HHO increases flame speed, but the studies showing that are all highly questionable. Some people also confuse it with unrelated studies from NASA and a university professor in Australia. I've looked at both.
What's clear is that no evidence exists that the large amount of energy spent obtaining HHO gas is not returned by any increased efficiency.
a1mint 1 year ago 5
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@a1mint OK, like I've said millions of times already, I highly doubt this equipment. Are you people with ADHD or are you just 12 ?
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
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@a1mint I'm on your side :) look at my past posts...
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@a1mint But their is also no evidence that it cannot as well. Be open minded.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 No amount of open-mindedness is going to help you overrule the laws of nature. And yes, there is ample of evidence supporting the laws of nature. You should look up what it actually means, instead of making a fool of yourself.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint This has nothing to do with the "law of nature". If people did not think outside of the box we would not progress. Acording to the "law of nature" years ago, we could not fly. Everyone thought the wright brothers were crazy. The average American spends 30% of there day behind the television. At least this guys doing something. Weather it works or not. Its never a waste of time. The only fool is the person that believes everything they hear without understanding.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 Did I not already address your stupid responses? I'm having this sense of deja vu. People once thinking that flight was impossible has never been a law of nature and those thought have never been a scientific conclusion. No, only idiots thought the Wright brothers were crazy. Intelligent people knew long before that flight was only a matter of make the right construction.
I agree that Americans compared to others are more ignorant and less intelligent. Tea+Republitards evidence.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint And just for reference, Im ASE certified and have an engineering degree. I did not read this out of an article. I have created Hydrogen with using a solar panel. Wheres the loss there? The only problem with hydrogen is that its hard to store. But I guess you knew that since you fully understand the "laws of nature" lol
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 Your sense of entitlement is worthless, especially since you're making silly analogies and comparisons. Instead of working with what the laws of nature mean, you think you can arbitrarily minimize it, to somehow make room for utter bullshittery and pseudo science.
a1mint 2 months ago 2
@6tortured6soul6 The problem is that scammers and ignorant fools think that producing hydrogen on board on demand can gain energy by recycling it back into the engine of a car.
What you are talking about is something different. Creating hydrogen not by the engine but another energy source, the sun in this case. Sure, that's great.
None of that has anything to do with "laws of nature" by the way.
instead of assuming what I don't know, you should query. That's what a scientist would do.
a1mint 2 months ago 2
@a1mint Your trying to sound intelligent but due to your insulting nature you seem to be very close minded. Like I stated, I am not making any claims but I do think there are possibilities. I dont think you understand how a turbocharger or supercharger works cause you still have not address that part of the conversation. You keep stating the "laws of nature" over and over and it means nothing to me but a like a cowardly cop out. Seems like you read magazines and do not do any real test.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 It's you that's the one that's being condescending by trying to suggest what my position is without having queried enough information for you to draw any conclusions from. And arrogant by making it seem that you're entitled to the ultimate say here. It does not work - that's not how you conduct a dialog.
a1mint 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 Yes, you are making claims. False claims. You claimed that the laws of nature will be "overcome" just like how people learned how to make flying machines.
A law of nature is not an assumption. You really need to actually look up what the notion of a natural law stands for. It ties in so much that literally just about everything we know of science would fall apart if any of the natural laws are incorrect.
Suggesting that these laws are weak, is just plain silly and unscientific.
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@6tortured6soul6 As for turbochargers and superchargers, we have no have had any discussion about that, so it is completely silly for you to CLAIM that I supposedly do not know how that works. You need to stop making assumptions, and only judge based on evidence.
The laws of nature is not a cop out - it's real - it's there - and you're not going to break it.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint Turbochargers and superchargers create power on board. Creating hydrogen on board is possible, but the burning question is would it create enough to compensate what is being used. I get great results by just using 20A. Which is the than using your lights. And you cannot factor in the complete load of the alternator due to the fact its already spinning. You just factor in the losses which is less than than 8%. Doing a weight reduction and changing all lights to led can compensate.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 No, turbo and super chargers do not "create" power. They convert the energy that is available in the fuel to kinetic energy more efficiently.
You're thinking about this in weird fuzzy goo like terms. You really need to start thinking like actual science: energy in = energy out.
In the case of a car engine: energy in fuel = car motion out + heat out.
Everything becomes so much easier to understand if only you think with those laws of nature at its foundation.
a1mint 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 When you take electric energy from an alternator, that alternator becomes that much harder to turn. And that is because an alternator converts motion energy into electric energy. That energy is taken from the car's engine. The car will in fact either reduce speed or use more fuel when you take energy from the alternator.
Then converting that energy a bunch of times and putting it back, results in a net loss, due to heat losses. Every energy conversion makes heat.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint My theory. HHO converts energy as well, it does not create energy as so many claim. Yes, it adds friction on the alternator but a supercharger adds pressure on a motor as well. It only uses a percentage of alternator use since the alternator is already there spinning (8%). Yes, the gas it creates makes regular gas burn more efficient. The question still is does it take out more than it puts in? It may even be the oxygen part that makes you gain HP as would a Nitrous kit.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 You're still not getting it. There is no such thing as unused energy. An alternator with no electric load being taken from its output, is easy to spin. The moment you start to take electric energy from its output, the alternator will suddenly become harder to turn.
Let's first cover this. I need you to confirm this, and I need you to understand this. First. Then we can continue.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint I never disagreed with the fact that using power from the alternator does create more friction on the alternator. I have rebuilt my own alternators by changing the brushes. That is why im comparing it to a supercharger which is ran on a belt which creates drag as well. Read my other comments correctly. I know there is no such thing as free energy. The energy is simply being converted. Yes, there will be losses as there always are. 20 amps only consumes 8% efficiency.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 You said: "the alternator is already there spinning". That implies a suggestion that it's already doing "stuff" and you "might as well" take something that would otherwise go to waste.
I hope that that is not what you meant.
One thing at the time.
What do you mean with "20 amps only consumes 8% efficiency".
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint No, what I meant is that your not adding an alternator just for this unit so you cannot base the energy on 100% of the alternators use. Even with the unit off the alternator has its own drag and turning the unit on only creates 8% additional drag at 20 amps. The unit does create drag.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 To make sure it's made clear: an alternator converts kinetic motion energy to electric energy plus heat. The heat part is lost.
One of the problems I'm having with the way you're putting things is using words like "only". "only consumes such and such". It attempts to imply that something valuable costs little. That's not possible.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint A supercharger "Only" creates 5% drag on a motor but gives you a 20% increase. You seem to avoid the topic of superchargers so I will just assume you do not know how they work. Its all based on energy conversion. A turbocharger on the other hand does use wasted energy from the exhaust manifold to spin its turbine. That is why im not mentioning turbochargers.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 The core of the argument is about on-board on-demand HHO devices is it not? I claim that they can not improve fuel economy. Do you claim otherwise?
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint The only question is if it would create enough gas to compensate for the loss as well as additional to create gain. Until those numbers have been proven, repeating simple science does nothing for my interest. Hydrogen is 3x more explosive than petrol and oxygen does aid petrol for a better burn. Your adding 2 gasses the are proven to be beneficial to a motor. Once again, the only question is would it make enough gasses to compensate for its losses as well as create gain.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 Again, you're not understanding the notion of energy.
Please tell me if you think that the following is right or wrong, and why:
When you take 10KW worth of energy from the engine, and convert it electricity through an alternator you end up with, say, 9KW of electric energy. Converting that to hydrogen through electrolysis would yield, say 8KW worth of energy stored in chemical energy in the hydrogen.
When you burn that in an engine, it would yield about, say, 5KW of motion.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint Where may I add did you come up with these numbers? Do you have a formula to conduct with? I am not assuming you can run an engine entire on hydrogen so you have to factor in the percentage of energy created by petrol and add that to the hydrogen numbers.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 The numbers were a guess. What is not a guess is that each subsequent number is lower than the former number. You can replace the numbers with anything you'd like, so long as the numbers are lower each time.
End of day, you can not take energy from the engine, convert it, put back what you have left, and expect a gain. That is simply impossible. And that is in a nutshell what all this is about is it not?
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint Dont worry. I already knew you guessed the numbers cause they did not make any sense at all. Superchargers, take energy from the engine, convert it, and give gain. So I will just assume you have no understanding of a combustible motor.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 That point that you're pretending wasn't made, is the fact that everytime you convert an energy form, the resulting energy is lower.
No, a supercharger does not create energy. A supercharger provides more air allowing for more fuel to get burned. This means that you can lower the size of the engine, in turn saving fuel. It does not create energy, it results in a better conversion from fuel to motion.
It's clear that you're the one that is ignorant about all of this.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint Once again, no one is saying that superchargers create energy. But you do get power gains by converting the energy. Adding a supercharger adds around 75 additional HP to your motor and makes it run more efficient. You seem to be a text book speaker rather than someone that fully understands how these things work.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 But you were claiming that superchargers were creating energy. "take energy from the engine, convert it, and give gain". Those are your words. The big problem is the "give gain" part. Energy is not being "gained" at all. It's not creating energy.
Again, stop with the assumptions how I might know less than you do, it's making you look arrogant.
We'll leave the judging of who knows how much to others. I'm not worried at all.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint What I mean by gain is you gain HP as well as better gas mileage by converting the energy back into the motor. I guess its more of the fact that gas motors are not 100% efficient so your more likely retrieving what would normally be lost. Its done by forcing more oxygen into the cylinder allowing for a more better burn. If you motor had 100hp 10mpg before and by adding a supercharger got 150hp 15mpg wouldnt that be considered a gain overall?
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 No, it is not "converting energy back into the motor". That is NOT how it works. It CHANGES the CONDITIONS inside the motor to make it MORE EFFICIENT.
More oxygen only allows for MORE FUEL, not "better burn".
The end result is a "gain", but it NOT because "energy" is being recycled or anything like that. You are VERY slow to comprehend things.
a1mint 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 Notice how I'm using a completely different analogy than you are. You are trying to impress by saying things like how amazingly explosive hydrogen is. Whereas I stick to using terms like quantity of energy.
When you explode gasoline, you can not convert that energy into hydrogen that would in turn generate an even greater explosion. You can not create energy, period.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint I have no reason to "impress" you. Dont flatter yourself. Once again you mention creating energy like that was not addresses 4 paragraphs ago. So in return, your saying that superchargers are hoaxes as well cause they convert energy used from the motor resulting in more useful energy.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 Oh believe me, I'm not impressed at all. My point is that you seem to try to make yourself look big, and that's arrogant. Simply an observation. You might want to work on that.
Another problem with you is that you have the habit of making straw man arguments. Look that up if you do not know what that means.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint I try to make myself look big by saying hydrogen is 3 times more explosive than petrol? Its called stating a fact. I did not make that part up. Your observation is incorrect as of many. I must of hit a nerve cause you seem to lost all of your composure. Just because you uses different terminology does not mean you know what your talking about.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 You're trying to make yourself look big by claiming that you are entitled to be the knowledgeable one, and claiming I know less, making you very arrogant.
And again, you are not understanding energy. Again, you can not convert the energy of a gasoline explosion to hydrogen, and have it explode again with more force. *IF* hydrogen explodes 3 times more powerful, then you'd have 3 times less quantity of hydrogen after making that hydrogen from the energy from the gasoline.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint If you think im trying to make myself look big by stating a fact then you have some insecurities you need to deal with. Since your so smart heres my idea. What about using a turbine on the exhaust to spin an additional alternator just for the use of creating hydrogen which is returned to the motor. Turbochargers do not put any load on the motor due to the fact the use the force of the exhaust to spin the turbine. Hydrogen assist.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 You are making claims that are not right. I'm simply correcting you. It's very hard to keep you focused, because you are not acknowledging what I say and respond with straw man arguments all the time here.
Placing a turbine at the exhaust that takes energy to turn because the alternator creates a drag, reduces the power output of the engine. The air pressure difference between cylinder/chamber and output becomes less because the turbine is restricting the exhaust. Not good.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint We already discussed losses as there will always be. I never disagreed with that point. Your repeating the same subject and missing the point of what im telling you. Superchargers and turbochargers have losses as well but they recover enough to compensate for that.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 I keep repeating my point because you keep not getting it right. The thing about super/turbo chargers that you keep on stating wrong, is that you claim that it is the energy that goes around back in to the engine what is creating the "gain". The point that I keep making is that the CONDITIONS inside the engine is changed USING that exhaust tapped energy so that the next cycle converts the explosion energy to motion energy more efficiently.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint Lets just agree to disagree. This conversation is going no where. Its like trying to prove to a priest that god isnt real. Its just not going to happen. There just going to come up with points to avoid the actual facts that are right there to avoid what your actually saying. I have an open mind to things consider this a waste of my time. Im doing actual research at the moment.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 The problem is that you are not taking in information. You are refusing to see and comprehend the issues I raise.
Do you even recognize how I'm describing how a turbo device works?
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint Just so you know, a hydrogen on demand car is already in production. /watch?v=lFyn3_fBoBc on youtube. The car is the Ronn scorpion and theres many videos on it and how this system works. At least some people in this world have an open mind so things can get done.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 The Scorpion Supercar is a scam to attract investors. There isn't any scientific approval of on-demand on-board hydrogen generation systems being beneficial for performance or economy. Period.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint I wasnt surprised of your comment. This car is real and Arnold Schwarzenegger has driven it. Its been out since 2009 and yet the so called hoax is still up and running. Ive contacted the company and to my excitement there is a car here in Miami I can go see. Being a supercar enthusiast as well as my fascination with hydrogen technology will make this a win win.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 I'm not surprised by your comments at all either. You're very predictable. You'd never question any claims that any other HHOer would ever made. YOu automatically approve any and all claims made by any other HHOer. Fact is, there is only one "prototype" every made, and never sold to anyone.
It's a SCAM ! Bold in your face bona fide FRAUD ! A LIE !
a1mint 2 months ago 2
@a1mint Heres where you dont listen again. Like I stated, I never said I knew for sure if this worked or not. But, I have my own personal reasons why I think it can. There is many scammers out there as of everything elce. Alot of mechanics scam people every day. Ive seen it done personally. I still do not think you fully understand the laws of physics and thats why you think it applies to such a device.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 You've used the Scorpion car as an argument to attempt to give credibility to on-demand hydrogen generation. It doesn't prove anything. In fact, it further shows HHO in a negative light: zero sales, only prototype, no scientific verification, no numbers or facts, etc.
Burning on-board on-demand generated hydrogen can not possibly provide any benefits, because the energy that the gasoline engine had to spend can not be made up for - hence, it's always a loss. Period.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint Ill ask you a few questions to see where you stand in the automotive world...
1. Does adding a high flow filter add HP as well as gas mileage?
2. Does adding a high flow exhaust add HP as well as gas mileage?
3. Does replacing your belt fan with an electric fan add HP as well as gas mileage?
Simple direct answers please.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 A common stock air filter restricts air flow and therefore reduces efficiency. The amount is questionable. A "high flow air flow filter" can only reduce that air flow restriction and therefore improve efficiency. It should not be seen as "adding HP and mpg" but more like reducing less where possible.
Some kids think high flow filters and exhausts are somehow a source of power so you see them do stupid silly things like installing oversized mufflers and such.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint You afraid of using the word add lol. I have done all 3 things and "added" hp and got better mpg on my M3. Does not matter if you were at negative before. Once you have an increase its concidered adding. Thats like saying -6+3=-3 is not adding. When you improve efficiency you add hp and mpg by making your car more efficient. I regained about 14 hp and 2 mpg on the dyno and a nice little grumble. Computers dont lie, only people do.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 I'm not afraid of using the word "add". I'm stating that it is more appropriate to coin the term taking-away-less than add.
As for your claims on how much difference it made, I'd have to see your evidence. I'm not buying the 14 HP part for one.
a1mint 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 As for the belt. The electric one will only run as much as needed. A belt driving something like an old fashioned fan-kludge or flex blade always creates a restrictive load on the engine. The fan-kludge is supposed to slip more at lower temperatures, but often those things get stuck. I know because I used to have a Monte Carlo SS and had oodles and oodles of problems with it. What a pile of crap that thing was, good grief.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint Theres nothing old fashion about the belt fan. My M3 is a 2005 and it had a belt fan with a clutch.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 When you say "clutch", you mean fan-clutch? I didn't spell fan-clutch correctly before btw.
Fact remains, a fan-clutch is less efficient than an electric fan.
a1mint 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 I didn't state "reducing less" correctly. What I meant is reducing restriction. But I think you knew what I meant.
a1mint 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 ... a turbocharger does put a load on the engine. However, if that energy is used to change the conditions of the engine, so that the explosion happens at a greater starting pressure, then the overall efficiency ends up being higher. What it does is it does not "create" energy, but it makes the engine lose less.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint Correct. I guess I should not use the word create but rather retrieving energy that would normally be lost. So wouldnt one assume that hydrogen may have the same effect as well. We both agree that it does allow for a more efficient burn. NASA has verified that for everyone. Yes, there will always be losses as we already discussed, but if you can compensate for those losses by retrieving more than what is lost then you can be more efficient.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@6tortured6soul6 Retrieving energy is also not the right way of thinking about it either. It would be better to say that you give up an amount of energy from the exhaust flow, and use that energy to improve the conditions of the engine on the next cycle. This to make sure that this is not about recycling energy.
Mixing hydrogen with the gasoline vapor does not make the gasoline burn better. Each burns independently.
a1mint 2 months ago
@a1mint Im not saying it works or not. I just want to point out the possibilities.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
third i did my whole senior project on HHO gas and fuel economy (in my HS you have to work a whole semester on a project, report on it and everything to having a working product to a thesis and 20 presentation on it) i got a 98
last but not least in order to get good fuel economy you have to tune your cars ecu (computer) to cut back on the amount of fuel you use
SUPERR3DROCKET 1 year ago
@SUPERR3DROCKET
Really? In what subject? It certainly was not physics. It's that damned second law... it just will not allow overunity.
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 I think noone is talking about overunity. Just if maybe the HHO gas would, induce the burn of the fuel and make the combustion stroke more violent?! maybe it burns seperatly from the fuel or it may be combined burning process, either way it is I just haven't seen any reports on the power output with and without this device. I would like to see that but a hint from me to you...I don't think it works. ;)
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert The only credible evidence that exists all show that on board on demand HHO systems reduce the mileage a little bit.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint uh, you have a strong enof alcalizer and compound carge paltes it is possbile to exsartct hydride H2- negative produces vastly more enrgey than hydrogen.
Trunkten38 1 year ago
@Trunkten38 You can not get more energy out of something than you put into it. There is no such thing as some sort of magical super duper uber solution that makes it magically more productive. The natural laws of the conservation of energy states that you can not create or destroy energy. You can only convert it. Perhaps you found a way to convert more - but that energy comes from somewhere. The alternator, the engine, in this case. More load. More waste. Energy that's not going to come back.
a1mint 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert
No they are talking about increasing efficiency, which would require it!
Nitrous oxide does the job of providing more oxygen for a boost, as does a turbo/supercharger, but adding hydrogen and oxygen at a net loss of efficiency does nopthing but the opposite of what is claimed in these videos.
seansalvador1 1 year ago
okay HHO works it is very flammable and explosive (i know because i temporary lost my hearing in one ear after igniting it in a closed tube
second i have run a lawn mower off of this stuff it really work and if anybody says otherwise then they are fools that have bought into the oil company lies
SUPERR3DROCKET 1 year ago
@SUPERR3DROCKET ...Go back to school my friend. It is basic physics, I'll break it down for you. This Mitsubishi we got here in this video has a petrol engine, it runs on gasoline. That gasoline has an X amount of chemical energy in it. You simply cannot take a part of that energy to make HHO gas and then put it back into burning process and expect a greater outcome then the gasoline had in the first place. On the other hand if one would make HHO at his home and add it to the burning process...
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert what ever i know it works and if your going to be a dick about it then dont talk to me
SUPERR3DROCKET 1 year ago
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gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@SUPERR3DROCKET How can you see from me and others trying informing you about the truth behind this, is being a dick?!!! What?! Use the scientific method to find the truth yourself. Plus of course all the physics and chemistry books available world wide.
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@SUPERR3DROCKET
You know it works? You can create overunity? Really... you must be the richest and most famous person in the world then.. i watch enough TV to know you are talking shit!
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert
This is still not viable. It is much more costly... MUCH more.
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@SUPERR3DROCKET ...my guess would be a power boost :)
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert
No. The extra energy your engine is using to charge the battery makes sure this is not true.
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@SUPERR3DROCKET
Running a hydrogen reactor from your car battery (alternator) and feeding the resultant gasses into your intake will not give you more power or efficiency. The ammount of energy it takes to make the hydrogen/oxygen mix is more than that gained from burning the resultant gasses even in a perfectly elastic situation!
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@SUPERR3DROCKET Oil companies?! me?!!!! No, no, no. I would love to see different kinds with less or non polluting emmission. Let's say I'm pro nature :) but unfortunately I must say I think this is making your engine less efficient
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
If the principals behind this equipment would exually work, one could also make a "forever machine" in other words one could make a machine that creates it's own fuel and would be forever self-sufficient. Unfortunally that hasn't been made yet.
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert
...like here... you said "yet" suggesting that one day it will!
Afraid this is impossible
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 Don't over read every word man :) I speak like a good scientist should. Never say something isn't possible. History tells us that, remember kopernikus? Or Galileo? and other guys of course.
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert
No you don't... if all scientists were in the process of testing things that blatently CANNOT work due to the laws of physics the world would come to a standstill very quickly.
PS That's 'Copernicus'.
It is not possible for me to walk outside and jump all the way to the moon. I cannot reach escape velocity with my strength and even if i could i wouldn't survive it. Some things are impossible!
seansalvador1 1 year ago
If anyone can make me the following kit i will literally and gladly pay them 1 billion English sterling pounds for it -
*A battery hooked up to a bottle of water in tha manner above (a hydrogen reactor) that runs the hydrogen and oxygen to a combustion engine that charges the battery with enough power to keep the whole thing going* - Do this and i promise you now (i have never boken a promise i can remember) i will literally pay you £1b.
No joke! You be the greatest physicist who ever lived!
seansalvador1 1 year ago
True, true, energy cannot be formed nor "destroyed", one can only change it's form. I learnt that in high school, no need to invent the wheel over and over again. The thing is, you are drawing electricity from your alternator (which origins in the energy that comes from gasoline, that runs the engine and the alternator) so my guess whould be an overall energyloss due to heat generating in cells and wires, heavier load on the alternator and a possible spill here and there.
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert ... plus the fact that energy is being converted from chemical storage to kinetic twice.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint exactly!!
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
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True, true, energy cannot be formed nor "destroyed", one can only change it's form. I learnt that in high school, no need to invent the wheel over and over again. The thing is, you are drawing electricity from your alternator (which origins in the energy that comes from gasoline, that runs the engine and the alternator) so my guess whould be an overall energyloss due to heat generating in cells and wires, heavier load on the alternator and a possible spill here and there.
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
LOL, its people like Animeplanet7 that make me simultaneously lose faith in AND have hope humanity as a whole. Im sure there is a need for them in society, but I havent figured out where it is yet? "Methinks thoudoeth protest too much..."
traka1000 1 year ago
hi, any update on your works? always looked forward to your vids.. keep it going man, gas price goin up so fast.. :]
leonryd 1 year ago
Could have been a good video, but the stupid music ruined it
xgi36 1 year ago
"AnimePlanet7": You are one of the biggest tools I have ever seen on YouTube! This guy isn't trying to sell anything but just sharing his experience with us. You talk about how fake this is and bag him out then proceed to tell us how you believe in God and Jesus... Are you serious?! You believe in an invisible man? hahaha!! Lucky you love Jesus because I reckon he is your only fucking friend! Even funnier... He is an imaginary friend! hahahaha!!!!!
JustinFingerbake 1 year ago 2
@JustinFingerbake
He may be an idiot but he's correct in his assesment of this phony little device... why waste your time making your engine more inefficient?
seansalvador1 1 year ago
"yourallstoopid" you need JESUS!! Plain and simple! You sound angry and soooo bitter...and guess what?! It ain't about me or niggers or anybody....but you!! I bet you are in a 'world-of-pain' to talk like that...even if you are 'joking'. And I don't think you are, you need to let Jesus into you "crushed-heart" only he can 'heal' that pain in there! I don't know U, but God does. He know where U live, he can even 'see' your thoughts before you type them, let him into your life. Let the anger go!
AnimePlanet7 1 year ago
@AnimePlanet7 go read a book about budhist you might learn something
b0utch 1 year ago
WARNING: If you want to email me and rage, and curse and use profanity at me because you are angry DON'T!!! Almighty God (Jesus) does not like LYING but he LOVES YOU! Even if you are an angry-bitter-rage-filled-liar!!! He loves you and I love you too.. You will FAIL to 'provoke me'!! I love people that's why I 'teach' them whenever I get the chance! People should not be lied to to make a buck! God is going to DEAL with people who misuse the things (science) he has given us!! STOP THE LIES!!
AnimePlanet7 1 year ago
..and people with low or NO education making 'claims' (false) of how well this thing works. Notice they are NOT RICH! they know they CAN'T sell this JUNK device to a company because the company has too many COLLEGE EDUCATED science people and BIG money to be scammed! So they go to the internet and youtube and flat-out LIE! Name me ONE person who got rich off of this booster-scheme!! There are none!! Big oil loves these liars up here because it keeps people in the dark! Blind leading the blind!!
AnimePlanet7 1 year ago
And for all the folks who are thinking of buying one of these consider this. New technology if it's built at home, say at the kitchen table or garage or workshop usually goes through 'developemental-stages'. Then a big company buys the thing and now it's in a well funded lab. If it still does well then it gets built and is market tested in the field with real people! Notice every video up here about this so-called 'booster' is shot in a garage, shed or in a back yard, with loud music...
AnimePlanet7 1 year ago
Want to save GAS?!! 1)Don't take passengers.2) Clean out your trunk, carry only what's needed.3) Don't SPEED! 4)Keep ALL (not just oil & gas) of your car fluids at the safe & proper operating levels! 5) Keep clean oil & air filters. These common-sense things can REALLY SAVE you GAS! This is NOT rocket-science!! These are things you can do....TODAY!! And you don't have to be SCAMMED or pay someone to do them! And think of how good you will feel about yourself and saving fuel and money!!
AnimePlanet7 1 year ago
All these guys who sell these things have not tried one, simple thing......I DID! Put a thermometer into the water of one of these things. You are heating up the water (costly power consumtion from the engine) do not believe me...go try it! Water has to be turned into steam to be split into hydrogen! Heating water and then 'cracking it' takes up alot of power...which is then CONSUMED to MAKE that power! So NO NET GAIN! " You can't get gold outta' rocks"! And this SCAM ain't gonna' make you rich!
AnimePlanet7 1 year ago
Take a permanant magnet motor with it's two wires separated and spin the axle (it should turn easy) then twist the two wires together and spin the axle again, notice it is HARDER to turn!! If you can find a motor with a flywheel on the axle that's even better. This device puts a 'shorted-out' load on a car's alternator requiring the alternator turn 'HARDER' against the engine...consuming more FUEL!! Any hydrogen made (very small amounts) are BURNED UP spliting this hydrogen!!
AnimePlanet7 1 year ago
This thing produces small amounts of hydrogen and it's burned up being used to power this junk! You take two electrodes throw them in a jar with water and salt to make the water a better conductor, right? But real it's just a big'SHORT-CIRCUIT' in water!! Short circuits consume the MOST power of any cicuit. They require lots of power to sustain. If you hook them up to a generator the generator will be harder to TURN! Try this out guys and learn something.
AnimePlanet7 1 year ago
That is my point...exactly. None of these people who make or sell this scam device have a proper education...I bet most of them are high school drop outs who think getting a GED is the same as going to college!! LMAO!!! Buncha' LOSERS! And they get angry when someone understands 'TRUE-SCIENCE' and cuts them down!! They are ANGRY, RAGE-FILLED people who want to be 'somebody important' but they are too lazy and or stupid to bring this about!
AnimePlanet7 1 year ago
@AnimePlanet7 UMMM, I m a high school drop out and got over cancer, bone cancer naturally. I am involved in deep - private - scholarly works and cherish more and more not having been "mind Locked" by conventional, memorize/school systems. I have observed your overreactions on you tube and hope that Christ like behavior is demonstrated by you more and more. currently it is emotionally violent behavior and demeaning to most human beings. Isn't that Satanic?
888Kharami 1 year ago
yaeh really! to the people who are retarded and seem to forget the whole water to hydrogen thing. GO FUCK YOURSELVES AND SUCK BIG OILS COCK FOREVER NGGERS
yourallstoopid 1 year ago
what is the black thing inside the plastic tube?
gmoney2896 2 years ago
Imagine...you've made it big, the fine house, all the best clothes and things money can buy. Then you buy one of the fastest cars in the world, something like a Veyron or a viper, then you look under the hood to see a cheap plastic jar! supposed to 'help' the car....I would go back to the dealer and punch him in the mouth!!! For putting this JUNK in my fine car!!This thing does make hydrogen..but then it burns it all up trying to power a 'shortted-out' 'scam-jar-device'!! This device is a SCAM
AnimePlanet7 2 years ago
@animeplanet7 screw u dude whats wrong with trying not to use so much oil and pollutants wow ur a retard
daneger97 2 years ago
@AnimePlanet7 hey nigger!!! go fuck yourself and go suck goerge bushes cock you faggit
yourallstoopid 1 year ago
@AnimePlanet7 WOW, your a violent guy. Even the Ancient & Respectable Knight Of Malta would say your a bit blood thirsty eh? ah satan is mysterious. When was the last time you saw into your heart and cleaned the venom?
888Kharami 1 year ago
your ammeter is plugged in the other way around
Shadowmanners 2 years ago
I have yet to see someone SHOW this in A VEHICLE getting an INCREASE IN MILEAGE! END OF DISCUSSION! NEXT?
jackpontiac52 2 years ago
I love your videos. I'm a beginner on hydro production and definitively identify with people making you feel like an idiot. Best of luck!
rcman01027 2 years ago
wow, mate go on like that! we need minds like you! :-) greetings from germany! 5 stars
Prohumani 2 years ago
An HHO system can't produce more energy than the energy it took to produce the HHO to begin with.
a1mint 2 years ago 6
Wrong.... if you have a highly charged state there are ways my friend....
xoobis 2 years ago
Then you would be violating the laws of nature, and you would have created a free source of energy.
Would you like to rethink your standpoint, or shall we write you off as yet another scam artist? Or complete idiot. The choice is yours.
a1mint 2 years ago
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gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@a1mint True, true. Energy can not be made nor "destroyed" like I learnt in high school. One can only change it's form. No need to invent the wheel over and over again. The thing is, you are drawing electrical energy from your car to seperate the H2O into HHO so it can combust in the cylinders so my guess for this whole experiment would be an overall energyloss due to heat generating, higher load on the alternater and possible spills here and there.
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert
All the energy conversion incurring losses, yes, and also don't forget how the path of energy goes through the combustion process twice. Energy is being converted from chemical storage to kinetic twice. Massive loss there.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint Yes of course that also!
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@a1mint ...so a1mint is right but ist's nice to experiment it's good for the human rase for improving and inventing. You go!
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert Thing is, these HHO people aren't here to invent solutions that benefit it us at all. They create this environment of lies hoping to lure in gullible people that are fooled into thinking that there is something to be gained.
I'm doing my bit to help the common man so that they might start to ask questions and start to think, and so they might avoid falling for these scams.
a1mint 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert
No. This is a waste of time.
The moral of this fable is - don't go trying to save money using physical principals you know nothing about, all you end up doing is wasting time and money!
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 That's another way to say what I was saying...
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert
No it's not. It's not nice to experiment with things that cannot work by the most fundamental principles of your hypothesis... that's not science, it's wish thinking ignorance
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 Don't you get it!!!!!! I'm saying THIS EQUIPMENT DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!! OK?
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@gunnarrobert
I know you are but you said it was good to experiment with it anyway! It's a total waste of time.
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@a1mint True, true, energy cannot be formed nor "destroyed", one can only change it's form. I learnt that in high school, no need to invent the wheel over and over again. The thing is, you are drawing electricity from your alternator (which origins in the energy that comes from gasoline, that runs the engine and the alternator) so my guess whould be an overall energyloss due to heat generating in cells and wires, heavier load on the alternator and a possible spill here and there.
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
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@a1mint True, true, energy cannot be formed nor "destroyed", one can only change it's form. I learnt that in high school, no need to invent the wheel over and over again. The thing is, you are drawing electricity from your alternator (which origins in the energy that comes from gasoline, that runs the engine and the alternator) so my guess whould be an overall energyloss due to heat generating in cells and wires, heavier load on the alternator and a possible spill here and there.
gunnarrobert 1 year ago
@a1mint
hho increases the efficiency of the overall burn of the fuel in the cylinder which in turn leaves less unburnt fuel in the cylinder and leads to more efficient combustion which relates to fuel savings. No one is saying that they are getting more energy from the hho than the energy that was used to create it. The extra energy is coming from the extra fuel that is usually wasted as emissions being burned instead of wasted.
arcadestogodotcom 1 year ago
@arcadestogodotcom Over 99% of gasoline is already used.
Sorry to blow away your theory there.
a1mint 1 year ago 2
@a1mint
Maybe if you include the excess fuel that is burnt inside the catalytic converter that wasn't completely burned during the combustion in the engine cylinder. Where did you see that 99% of the fuel is ignited inside the cylinder itself?
arcadestogodotcom 1 year ago
@arcadestogodotcom If some of the fuel isn't being burnt, then the side effect is that the catalytic converter ends up melting into a clump.
Your attempt to sell your story that hho someone creates a more complete burn isn't working.
Your attempt to sell your story that whatever that incomplete burn didn't return, can be gained by burning hho generated from power off the engine, is complete and utter hogwash.
a1mint 1 year ago
@a1mint what about the water used? no one ever mentions that part
pcacesam 10 months ago
@pcacesam There is absolutely no benefit in HHO systems. It is a scam.
a1mint 10 months ago
@a1mint haha you didn't really reply to my comment ;) and you really shouldn't dis them until you have actually made one and tried it
pcacesam 10 months ago
@pcacesam HHO fundamentally can not work, because you can not create energy by converting it.
a1mint 10 months ago 2
@a1mint Your not creating energy, you are using the energy already in the hydrogen in the water as a fuel. What you said is like saying hydrogen bombs don't work and they are fake.
burn2theground 9 months ago
@burn2theground Hydrogen is not a source of energy. Hydrogen is a carrier of energy, because hydrogen does not naturally occur on earth.
To make hydrogen from water, you have to spent more energy than the energy you get from burning that hydrogen again.
And hydrogen bombs have nothing to do with burning hydrogen, and is a completely and entirely unrelated topic.
a1mint 9 months ago
@a1mint So I guess turbochargers and superchargers cannot work as well? Your statement is incorrect. Try again.
6tortured6soul6 2 months ago
@a1mint
what about a nuclear power station? they produce more energy than they spend to make it. a LOT more. why is it so far off that releasing hydrogen can produce a similar result?
sausagenmuff 9 months ago
@sausagenmuff This has nothing to do with HHO and all the little dirty scummy creepy little HHO peddlers.
And no,, a nuclear power station does not produce more energy than is put in. The uranium is an energy source.
You've got some serious shortcomings in the science department. As do all the HHO believers. And that's all it is, an unfounded faith, a belief, without any evidence whatsoever.
So, are you an HHO scammer or a customer?
a1mint 9 months ago
@a1mint first of you sound like a argumentative person, so i feel bad for whatever is negative in your life.
with that said, I don't pretend to be a scientist, but what you are saying is a nuclear power plant has energy stored in the fuel it uses, and it's releasing that fuel, correct?
well if Hydrogen is a (relatively) powerful fuel (like uranium) if you can release that hydrogen from the water, you can then use that energy. again I'm not saying I'm