Everyone is so serious. The rubber band is a novelty. I thought it was funny and genius at the same time but didn't take it seriously. The only time when I take it seriously is when some idiot points a gun at me. Then I have something to worry about.
All legal and technical points aside, its a neat little trick. nice to know you can up your rof mc guyver style if you need to. If i HAD to shoot that fast, does it really matter what batf thinks? Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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the only problem i see with ATTACHING a string (for the ak family) or rubber band to an ar (1st time i've seen this) is that it's illegal.
if you read the letter of the law (NFA), it says ANY PART DESIGNED OR REDESIGNED and intended solely and exclusively, for use in converting a weapon to a machinegun IS a machinegun.
the batfe issued a letter around 2003-2005 stating that this practice is in direct violation of nfa law and that they would prosecute.
You are missing the most important part of the definition of a MG "any weapon that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can readily be restored to shoot, automatically by a single function ("pull") of the trigger. The rubber band does not depress the trigger, it puts forward tension on it making it harder to pull.
Explain why I can get the same ROF without a rubber band installed?
If the definition of a MG were to include a measureable rate of fire, then I would be doing something illegal.
@tapper45 Thank you dude. The BATF is what happens when you have a governing body that has little supervision from the rest of the government. They make up what they want pretty much as they see fit. Yeah they have rules and regs like everyone else, but they enforce they how they want. I have seen several instances where one ATF agent wants things a certain way and when you see another ATF agent they are about to write you up because the last one told you wrong.
@tapper45 but dont waste your time trying to tell this guy that. He is one of those guys that knows everything and wants to make everyone else look like an idiot just because he has an SBR and a youtube account. I tried to inform him before and he didnt listen so I seriously doubt that he will listen to you either. What I find funny is that when he does get noticed by the BATF, it won't be hard for them to find him, seeing as how he is already in their books for owning registered items.
check out what the atf did during the closing days of may 86 when you could still build and reg a mg yourself.
people were buying sticks of chromoly 1.5" tube, cutting them off at 13" and submitting reg formsfor the blank tubes by the hundreds (sten, sterling, mp38/mp40 etc) so they could get them done before the may 86 deadline.
the atf rejected them and at that time the books on making your own mg closed forever, except for a few possible amnesties.
so, the atf said that those tubes couldn't be registered because they weren't finished receivers and didn't constitue an actual mg as defined by nfa law.
fast forward a couple years to the guys who are being charged and convicted with unlawful possession of unregistered mgs because they have blank tubes and LEGAL sten parts kits.
the batfe issues monthly letters to all ffl holders clearly stating that they will prosecute for rubberband and string bumpfiring.
@tapper45 no i'm saying if you go into a crowed mall(like youtube is crowded) and shout "i've created an illegal full auto look" (like this vid would be if it was illegal) then sure ly after 5 years they'd do something also this is not illegal so he is not a criminal so has no reason to be arrested
technically you're right, because it isn't "actually illegal".
but...
the point i'm making is that the batfe WILL, if they decide to prosecute you, state that the "device" was intended for use to convert the firearm to fire more than 1 shot with only 1 "manual" pull of the trigger and they will cite past precedent(s) where they have successfully convicted others for doing the exact same thing.
the defense attorney will have already tried to convince you to pre-trial it.
@tapper45 Yeah read what you posted smarty, designed or re-designed... what if he "accidentally" put it on or it "magically" appeared? then he didnt purposly put it on XD. anyway bumpfiring is pulling the trigger over and over the recoil just assists him pulling it. Now stop trying to get rid of our rights and go grow a pair! BTW i loved the vid.
quit trying to define bumpfiring, everyone knows what it is and that it is not illegal.
if you read my posts and have an average understanding of the english language and you STILL don't agree with what i'm saying then you're an idiot with absolutely zero understanding of nfa law.
i am a pro-gun, pro 2nd amendment , retired military, republican, self described redneck gun nut with a college degree.
@tapper45 Then why the fuck did you say it was illigal? Apperently not everyone does know what it is including you. I dont give a shit if anyone cares if i liked the vid im just saying he did a nice job and hes got balls for putting up with assholes like yourself. No one gives a flying fuck if your ex-military a rebublican or a red neck. Im also pro gun partially a red neck and wasnt trying to piss you off but you had to take my comment the wrong way. I thought you were some liberal city slicker
@tapper45 The Akins was Banned because it practically automates bumpfiring. (The trigger finger only actually functions once.) Without the spring installed, they are still legal because the person shooting the firearm must bump fire it himself. The SSAR15 is still on the market for that reason most likely. It is almost subject to opinion, I know. However, devices that merely assist with bumpfire seem to be going strong.
@username0u812ic they have. u gotta be careful doing this, although it is still semi automatic by legal definition, some judges and jury's wont give a shit, it LOOKS automatic, so you LOOK like a criminal. i've heard of guys going to jail and/or recieving enormous fines for modifying their gun into a full auto weapon by using a rubber band.
I was thinking more along the lines of what purpose a 9mm rifle would serve. Its just not very practical or common. the first being the reason for the second
I dont know. still seems utterly useless to me. Never did see the purpose of these things when they first hit the market and still dont. I have shot one and they arent very impressive at all. Just another AR with a weaker bullet than normal.
@s197stangdragger Well you are entitled to your own opinion and thats fine, Id rather get the same feel of an AR and train with cheaper ammo such as a lower caliber so i can train more while spending less, so when I go back to my .223 i get the same feel of the rifle maybe alittle more recoil but still feels the same. but I do understand what you mean, it just isn't for some people i guess
but you fail to realize that if you train with something you should always train with it how you will use it. If you shoot 55 grain 5.56 rounds for practice you shouldnt change to 62 grain 5.56 rounds when you use the gun for business. Same thing here, train with what you will use the gun with. 5.56 is not the expensive that you cant shoot it anymore. yeah 9mm is cheaper but its also not the same. Its like changing the slide on your pistol from .45 to a .22, its just not going to help you
@s197stangdragger No i do realize it but when 5.56 and .223 rounds are scarce now it is getting expensive to the point where most people don't shoot anymore. Id rather have a feel for my gun with a change in recoil than not train at all
thats just the inner cheapskate coming out in you. It gets annoying when you deal with it a lot. Like when people are buying guns. You get what you pay for. But people are always trying to get that bottom of the barrel deal on that "magnificent" gun. Like a hi-point. ew. If you use something enough with lower power ammo it will throw you off when you shoot it again with the real stuff. and that can be the difference between life and death. or just winning the bet you made on that shot.
Your talk about being thrown off because of a caliber change is a bunch of non since. Being accurate boils down to muscle memory, front sight focus, and trigger squeeze. The minuscule difference between the recoil of 9mm vs 223 is the least of my concern tactically. Recoil is the last thing you feel, and should be the last thing you concern yourself with. I train to be proficient with all of my weapons.
its not necessarily the recoil that throws you off, its the ballistics of the rounds. A 9mm just doesnt shoot like a 5.56 no matter how hard you try to say that it does. Try shooting a target at 150 yards with one and then switch to the other gun and reflexively shoot at the target the same way. Its habit to shoot it one way and then you use the same platform shooting a different round and it will throw you off no matter how you try to train the habit out.
I guess I just don't comprehend what you are saying. Sounds like you have had some issues with transitioning form one gun to the other. I don't see how your problems would translate to me having the same problems.
No I would not use my 9mm AR15 to engage a target 150 yards away, that is what my 223 is used for. Thanks for your opinion, but I have no problems changing from one firearm to another.
Ok........ I wasn't trying to translate anything to you. this is MY opinion. And no, I have no problem with my transitions. Always improving, but nothing to stop me from using both. And a 9mm AR is pretty damn good at 150yds BTW. If you got time for a rifle at 150, you got time to aim.....shot placement with decent (nato pressure) 9mm load will do the trick. My PD doesn't have a decent amount in their armament for no reason.
@s197stangdragger OK but all shooting below 100 yards is dead on and get this non shooter, If you can't adjust your sites on the fly to compensate for wind the you aren't a rifleman, why do you think they call it WINDage if you can't or are uncomfortable with adjusting then you aren't pushing yourself. many indoor ranges restrict rifles to pistol calibers. Are you suggesting that people who don't own land shouldn't shoot rifles in some convaluted way. OMG!
@mocatz187 i only use windage and elevation settings to zero my scope, why in gods name would i waste time readjusting it and probably fucking up my aim by tweaking it, when i could just aim a little to the left or right of the target. in any hunting/combat scenario, if you fire a shot, and realize the wind is messing up your aim, the animal/target is going to run like fucking hell, you wont have time to adjust. so no, adjusting on the fly doesnt make u a rifleman, it makes you and idiot
@s197stangdragger Do you even own a gun? have you ever shot a gun before?
After reading your posts it sounds like you've been reading too much and not shooting or ???? I shoot alot and I can tell you Airsoftsniping knows what He's talking about.
Id rather keep 9mm in my home defense gun than a rifle round.....only because I live in the city and a .223 would go though multiple houses.....second the ammo is cheaper and easier to find around here than .223. Alot of people got em around here (oregon).
why use a rifle in the house? its too big to manuever as easily as a pistol. And since your rifle is shooting a pistol round already, what major advantage does it give you? the answer: none. its big, bulky and still shoots a 9mm. If you worry about shooting through walls buy some frangible ammo. or hollowpoints for pistols. cheaper ammo is only good if you plan on shooting it a lot. train with similar rounds and keep your good stuff for emergencies. pistols are for houses, not rifles
you are still missing the point of why I would want to keep the gun in a rifle caliber. BECAUSE ITS A RIFLE. therefore its too big to move around defensively indoors unless you live in a open warehouse. Pistols and bullpups are the kings of indoor firepower. they are shorter that full length rifles and use calibers better suited to close range engagments, ie .45, 9mm, 5.7x28. manuverability is key when fighting indoors. and thats where you should plan to use these guns.
wrong wrong wrong. the king of indoor firepower is the h&k mp5. used by tactical forces all over the world for close quarter combat. chambered in 9mm.
The advantages are a much larger magazine and being far more accurate since it's fired from the shoulder. By your logic the h&k mp5 is worthless since it has a similar overall length.
The H&K MP5 is much shorter than the AR in the video dude. and they make an MP5K which is even shorter. But they are still harder to manuever inside a building or house. you come to a tight corner and the pistol just works better. And the MP5 is still only firing a 9mm, a pistol round. But if you really want to use a subgun indoors, why not use the UMP45? its got way more power and is the same size as the MP5. The Mp5 is good but its not the king of indoors anything.
Not much shorter than an m4 when the stock is extended. They are not hard to maneuver inside a building. That's why they are the preferred weapon for basically every law enforcement agency in the world for CQB. Again, a weapon fired from the shoulder is far more accurate than a pistol. They also have very high capacity magazines. They also fire in full auto or three round burst depending on configuration if necessary.
The reason the MP5 is the preferred weapon for a lot of LE agencies is because they shoot full auto, carry 30 round mags, and are very accurate when used by a trained operator. However, they are not used by any LE agency specifically because they are good at manuvering indoors. They are quite a bit shorter than an AR with a 16" barrel (MP5 has a 8.9inch barrel) but still are not as mobile as a pistol inside. You can rant and rave all you want but facts are facts and a pistol is better indoors
First of all no one uses a full length 16" AR for CQB you're using something around an 11-12". Second of all barrel length is only a part of the equation - whats important its OAL (overall length). And finally, I'm not ranting or raving, I'm just very reasonably and succinctly outlining why you are incorrect.
Jon780 & s197stangdragger what does the stuff you to are arguing about have anything to do with my bump firing video? If you all want to have a debate on what is the best length, caliber, or style of gun that is better for CQB then go make a video on it. Don't debate it on the comment section of my videos. If you are a civilian you wont be in a CQB scenario anyway, unless you are playing COD 4.
The same thing doesn't apply for my technique because it is my video. Machine guns own by civilians are used for target shooting. No civilian is going to use their $10k MG for defence. My technique gives a civilian the chance to own a firearm that can accurately mimic the rate of fire of a real machine gun.
unless you wanna do quite a bit of paperwork and waste a lot of time, you wont have any barrel length shorter than 16" on a rifle, unless you like going to jail. And even a fool can see that a pistol is much shorter overall than any rifle or subgun ever made. Just forget about it dude. I am correct. Ask any operator or LEO that you know and they should agree.
@jon780 your wrong, marines use full size 20" barrels and if your a civilian it doesnt matter anyway kuz the shortest you can own is 16" legally without filling with the atf for a short barrel gun permit
@mocatz187 dude quit smoking crack and understand one thing. I shoot more than you could ever dream of shooting. I understand more about the rounds than you do also. 9mm does not have a ballistic arc like a 5.56. It will drop quite a bit faster even at only 100 yards. And no one adjusts sights on the fly. they just compensate mentally and then shoot and adjust accordingly. If you move the actual sight you will lose your zero. And SWAT uses different guns for different situations.
@gmanflyairforce3 Hold the barrel nearer to the muzzle(but not too near) as the AK barrel may tend to wave around sometimes. Also, you should try to hip fire it first as the recoil is rather undesirable if used on the shoulder
Am I missing something here? Do my videos really show me being unsafe? I have 100% bullet accountability. With that being said, what difference does it make how fast I shoot, provided that I know where all my rounds are going?
If you think for one minute that I believe that you NEVER shot your SKS as fast as you could at the range, concentrating on speed rather than accuracy. You are mistaking!
on a liberals point of view your bieng unsafe lol. your rifle looks bad ass bro. I am runnng a stag arms model 3h m4a3. and I am putting every little thing on it that I can to " hook it up " lol the new rear sight is mil spec but was so loose that it could lift off of the rail so I put velcrow under the sight and the rail and it tightned up . is this type of thing commen? hope you dont mind me asking
theman: with a rubberband...its not hard at all, however the more "classic" bumping is done with your thumb and is a bit harder to do. But, the thumb technique works out a bit better with pistols (i've only tried with m9)
Wrong! I know it sounds like BS, but if you check the ATF website, using a rubber band (which is considered a tool) to make your weapon bump fire is a class A FELONY! Yes I know its sounds ridiculous, bump firing is 100% legal BUT using a tool (even states a rubber band is a tool) to simulate full auto is illegal. Just thought I'd give you guys a heads up, I mean, I seriously doubt the ATF will prosecute this person but.....they could
Before you type comments on my videos you should do your homework.
I just checked the BATFE website for any new rulings on "ATF Ruling 2006-2: Classification of Devices That are Exclusively Designed to Increase the Rate of Fire of a Semiautomatic Firearm" There is no verbiage in the text of that rule that mentions, or describes the use of "rubber bands" as being included in their ruling against the "Akins Accellerator" which is the only device described in detail, in that ruling.
The reason why you do not see rubber bands mentioned in that ruling is because it used the same "mechanics" as the Tac-Triggers, Hellfire, and Hellstorm 2000 devices that have been ATF approved for 30+ years.
Have the ATF FTB officially ruled these "other" trigger devices to be illegal? NO!
Could the ATF FTB change their mind about the "other" trigger devices that would also make using rubber band illegal? YES! If, and when this happens my videos, and website will be deleted.
You are incorrect sir. The BATF ruling specifically targets devices like the Atkins Accelerator in which "one pull" of the trigger starts the mechanical function. In the Atkins stock the receiver moves rearward and the trigger disappears into the stock. Making it literally one trigger pull, whereas a device such as Hellstorm or a rubber band are legal, because the triggers is pulled repeatedly albeit at a fast rate.
ATF approved weapons that have the bumper stock. Personally i think the bumper stockk is a permantly fixed tool where the rubberband is just temporary. Thats like putting a magnet on your bullet button tool and saying its illegal. If anything you'd think it was the other way around. Make the bumperstock illegal and the rubberband okay.
"bump stock" you speak of is illegal nowcompany was closed down, i have one in my closet. although when i bought it it was perfectly legal, i cant have it installed on my rifle without the risk of a felony for owning an illegal post 1986 i believe "machine gun"
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any modification to a gun to make it fire auto is illegal. my cuz showed me where in his gun he could make it full auto by a mod but its illegal so he wont do it. now this is a rubberband could this be concidered by a judge to be a mod?? just somthing to think about when you transport your guns, run into an asshole cop and you could be the first they fuck with a new law. Nine dont get such an ego, most people who tell u this is illegal are looking out for you. chill man
I receive about 20 emails a week saying that adding a rubber band to a semi auto firearm is illegal frankly it gets kind of old. Most of the people who tell me this have not done their home work. Before I started my website, or filmed my videos I consulted the ATF Firearms Technology Branch. They concluded that adding a rubber band merely acts as an auxiliary trigger return spring.
i see your point and i agree in priniple we all need to be careful but according to the atf the modification has to be a perminante fixture to the firearm if it can be detached without the aid of tools then it cant be considered perminante
Don't feel like looking up the specific BATF law, but any object that increases the rate of fire of a firearm is illegal. The bump-firing isn't illegal, but using a foreign object to do it technically is. It's just like the metals ring and a string trick.
If you are referring to ATF Ruling 2006-2 on their website, you might try reading the whole text before you jump to conclusions. That ruling was directed solely at the Akins Accelerator. No where in that ruling does it mention any other devices, and the reason it doesn't is because the rubber band uses the same mechanics as the Hell Storm 2000 device. The hell Storm device has been ATF approved for over 30 years. They would look stupid if they ruled that device a MG conversion 30 years later.
Absolutely correct! Trust me, I have done my homework. If I receive notification stating other wise you will not be able to find any of my videos but one stating that bump firing has been ruled illegal.
The foreign object you are refering to is doing exactly the same job as what the factory installed trigger return spring is doing! If they say the rubber band is illegal, then all semi autos would be illegal.
Elijah56565656 was blocked from posting any further comments that condone murder or any other psychical harm to another human being. I find it counter productive, and uncivilized. Being the owner of my videos I am obligated to "Block" whoever I see is commenting in an uncivilized manor. Don't like it, watch a different channel.
You should have given him a warning first eg. "Next time you post a comment like that you'll be blocked." Instead of just blocking him straight away. My point is, how was he supposed to know that was your policy?
And anyway, as far as I can see, that comment he made was a joke. A joke in poor taste. But a joke nonetheless.
I am sure that Eric Harris, and Dylan Klebold the guys who shot up Columbine High School joked about killing people before they actually did it. It is not my job to know who is joking or not.
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its not youre job at all . all youre doing is posting up vids of how to let people make auto matics your a stupid hypocrite faggot,thats why im going to kill you
There is nothing automatic about the technique I am demonstrating. Judging from your user profile you will have to get something more than a queer airsoft gun to kill me with, being that you can't own a real gun because you live in California.
I have to agree with the video poster, its not about semi-auto guns, its about all guns. Moreso, it is about the idea that some do not want or need daddy government to take care of them. Guns and gun ownership are a sign of self-reliance and empowerment most high level polluta-titions do not want. They want to save you, even from freedom. It is not about guns to them, its about POWER over others.
...it takes some touch/feel/experience....but yes Jenabzadeh1 it does work with practice.
Depending on the condition and type of weapon you make experience a lot of jams, this is because most semi-autos are not set up for the same cyclic rate as full autos....I would have to guess that NineMMAR15 took that into account with this demo....from reading this comment board, I would qualify him as an AR platform expert.
I hope you are rich. To get any type of FFL you have to have a store front. The BATFE is cracking down on home based FFL businesses! Post 86 dealer sample machine guns are cheaper, but you still have to find a local police department who will write up a demo letter for you. Believe me the BATFE has cracked down on police departments who issue these letter willie nillie!
True nineMMAr15, here in Az. the deptartments are a little more co-operative though, that is why you see people like Dillon ( of Blue Press ) and others making their home here...you need not have a store front if you are a " manufacturer/developer"...as I believe you would qualify for. You are probably aware of how many suppressor, auto, custom etc..shops are here in Az. they make it difficul, but it can be done.
I agree with you guys!.....I was just yelled at for commenting in the same way....(and here in Az. we can still get some of the quality weapons )....don't feed the liberal anti gun agenda....some secrets are worth keeping!
Liberal, conservative, they both want your guns, and your hard earned money. If you want to keep your guns, and gain a hell of a lot more freedoms, Ron Paul would have been a better choice for the republican ticket. Bush, and McCain, both have a history of being opposed to guns. Read the news papers of the day after VT happened. And please don't say that stupid "Da liberal jew media "caint" be trusted" shit. Neither side of the coin wants you to be able to own a gun.
Oh and if you are in CA Liek myself we will feel the heat from this first. Bump firing is known about but it's not being put into DVD's and Youtube instructional videos, I fear this will bring the Anti-Semi adnd AR type Nuts out to play by shinning a light on it. Also if you are from CA DO NOT try to Bump Fire at a range out here. Mis-fires will get you in jail alone.
Dude don't promote bump firing your going to have the ATF and DOJ on are (AR owners) ASSES in a quick second. They will take these videos and instructions and use them for progpaganda to ban Semi-Auto weapons. Just kill this vid and that site before all goes to hell faster then it already is!
Bump Firing has been around, and approved by the BATFE several years. Long before you became your Dads little squirt. It's people who think like you do, wanting to conform to the anti-gun crowds wishes by being submissive is what prompted the enactment of the Huges Amendment.
The Right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Look here sport... I wouldn't be a CA AR owner if I was submissive and conform to Anti-Gun BS. Maybe you don't understand how ugly it can get here in CA in an INSTANT with this stuff. We got a little bit of progress and something like this would kill it before we could get 2A incorporation and more Pro-Gun/.2A law. I don't care what the BATFE has approved, those ass holes will turn on you in a min. All it takes is for one of these vids to hit CA news and it could be over....
Cont....All the Anti-Gunners will see is "MACHINE GUN". I'm not against bump-firing but to blast it all out in the open and literally show how an AR or any Semi-auto can basically shoot Full Auto is a bit much. We are making 2A progress but not that damn much. It's still believed to be a free country so you continue to do what you want this is all my opinion.
The anti-gun politions want to ban guns period. Diane Feinstine told 60mins that if she could of got 51 votes in the senate for an outright ban she would of done it; Mr and Mrs America turn them all in. They don't care about me, or my technique or else they would of used it agains the NRA when Wayne La Pierre challenged Bill Clintion and members of congress to prove that so called assault weapons "spray shoot"! If they bring it up again I will be there with the NRA to disprove the ease of it.
Not as of yet. The rubber band does not cause you gun to bumpfire. It mearly forces the trigger to reset quicker. The gun is stock, and still functions one shot per pull of the trigger.
The gun is shouldered normaly. The only thing I am doing differently is pulling the gun forward with my left hand untill the hammer falls. Constant forward tension with my left hand is counter acted by the rearward recoil of the gun being fired!
Well depending where you live(do you live in a facist or communist state?)you can buy a kit for about 600 bucks depending on what gimmicks you want. You can pick up a lower receiver from 80-100 bucks or more. The AR15 comes with all the parts you need except for the lower receiver. The upper receiver is assembled and test fired. All you would have to do is assembled the lower receiver. There are books and videos on how to assemble it. No need to buy one off the shelf. About $800 or less.
Why do I even bother putting more information in the section to the right of the video labled "More Info". If people would watch and read the information I provide they could answer their own questions...... Sorry just a rainy day rant!
I am not worried about getting a visit from them. I am not doing anything different or using any new technology that they haven't already approved currently or in the past.
I bought the gun as a complete 16" rifle. The gun is a Rock River Arms LAR15 9MM. I registered it as a Short barrel rifle then had the barrel cut to 10.5 inches.
The BATF once famously ruled a shoestring as a machinegun (owner attached it round the fixed op-rod of a semi-auto rifle, put it over the top of his rifle receiver and tied it to his trigger finger). Bump-firing technically, but never trust a government agency to be logical, fair, or trust them at all!
My gun is 100% stock, and I actualy dont need the rubber band. I have heard that it is easier to do with a 2 stage trigger, or a reduced power spring kit. I have tryed the spring kit but I would get light primer strikes so I switched back to stock parts. The less you mess with the fire control componets the less headache you will have with the BATFE!
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what type of buffer are you using? ( H2,H3,9MM?)
myutubepostedvideo 3 months ago
Everyone is so serious. The rubber band is a novelty. I thought it was funny and genius at the same time but didn't take it seriously. The only time when I take it seriously is when some idiot points a gun at me. Then I have something to worry about.
superdonkeyballs 3 months ago
Maybe this could work with my H&K? It was made for full auto and modded to be semi so I know It can take it
10dthompson60 6 months ago
hey everyone... SHUT THE FUCK UP. this is cool and could come in handy some day when russians invade! so take a mental note and thats that.
colton12344321 8 months ago
this is how i would like to hog hunt rubber band, AR, tactical scope, and a boner!!
cheesebag88 10 months ago
Who cares if it's illegal or not. . It's fuckin kick-ass
GiovanniDestron 11 months ago
If a rubber band is illegal then a thumb is illegal. You can easily bumpfire a rifle with your thumb in a belt loop,
IndianaJesusfreak 1 year ago 2
Haha Never fail's...Always some asshole on here giving someone shit for bump firing.
90W7 1 year ago 2
All legal and technical points aside, its a neat little trick. nice to know you can up your rof mc guyver style if you need to. If i HAD to shoot that fast, does it really matter what batf thinks? Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
realdad32 1 year ago
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the only problem i see with ATTACHING a string (for the ak family) or rubber band to an ar (1st time i've seen this) is that it's illegal.
if you read the letter of the law (NFA), it says ANY PART DESIGNED OR REDESIGNED and intended solely and exclusively, for use in converting a weapon to a machinegun IS a machinegun.
the batfe issued a letter around 2003-2005 stating that this practice is in direct violation of nfa law and that they would prosecute.
google it, they already have convictions.
tapper45 1 year ago
You are missing the most important part of the definition of a MG "any weapon that shoots, is designed to shoot, or can readily be restored to shoot, automatically by a single function ("pull") of the trigger. The rubber band does not depress the trigger, it puts forward tension on it making it harder to pull.
Explain why I can get the same ROF without a rubber band installed?
If the definition of a MG were to include a measureable rate of fire, then I would be doing something illegal.
NineMMAR15 1 year ago 19
@NineMMAR15
i'm not missing that part, it comes right before the part i quoted and they repeat it several times throught nfa law.
the law isn't concerned about the rate of fire either.
i'm not trying to tell you thy're right.
they're not trying to tell you that you've made your ar into a mg.
they're saying that the RUBBERBAND is a "part designed or redesigned" etc... and that the RUBBERBAND used in this way is a mg.
batfe makes up law during court proceedings and it sticks.
tapper45 1 year ago
@tapper45 Thank you dude. The BATF is what happens when you have a governing body that has little supervision from the rest of the government. They make up what they want pretty much as they see fit. Yeah they have rules and regs like everyone else, but they enforce they how they want. I have seen several instances where one ATF agent wants things a certain way and when you see another ATF agent they are about to write you up because the last one told you wrong.
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
@tapper45 but dont waste your time trying to tell this guy that. He is one of those guys that knows everything and wants to make everyone else look like an idiot just because he has an SBR and a youtube account. I tried to inform him before and he didnt listen so I seriously doubt that he will listen to you either. What I find funny is that when he does get noticed by the BATF, it won't be hard for them to find him, seeing as how he is already in their books for owning registered items.
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
@NineMMAR15
check out what the atf did during the closing days of may 86 when you could still build and reg a mg yourself.
people were buying sticks of chromoly 1.5" tube, cutting them off at 13" and submitting reg formsfor the blank tubes by the hundreds (sten, sterling, mp38/mp40 etc) so they could get them done before the may 86 deadline.
the atf rejected them and at that time the books on making your own mg closed forever, except for a few possible amnesties.
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tapper45 1 year ago
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so, the atf said that those tubes couldn't be registered because they weren't finished receivers and didn't constitue an actual mg as defined by nfa law.
fast forward a couple years to the guys who are being charged and convicted with unlawful possession of unregistered mgs because they have blank tubes and LEGAL sten parts kits.
the batfe issues monthly letters to all ffl holders clearly stating that they will prosecute for rubberband and string bumpfiring.
call them and ask.
tapper45 1 year ago
@NineMMAR15 Its the ATF, the laws don't apply to them.
Robalose 9 months ago
@tapper45 its not lol if it was and this vids 6 years old he'd be in prison
TheAlexagius 11 months ago
@TheAlexagius
the batfe prioritizes arrests.
they waited over a year to go kill randy weaver's wife and son because the situation wan't "in the news" and it didn't make them appear inneffective.
when a nationally syndicated newspaper ran the story it embarrassed the batfe and they immediately put an op together and executed.
are you implying that ALL criminals have been convicted and have been arrested?
are you mental?
tapper45 11 months ago
@tapper45 no i'm saying if you go into a crowed mall(like youtube is crowded) and shout "i've created an illegal full auto look" (like this vid would be if it was illegal) then sure ly after 5 years they'd do something also this is not illegal so he is not a criminal so has no reason to be arrested
TheAlexagius 11 months ago
@TheAlexagius
technically you're right, because it isn't "actually illegal".
but...
the point i'm making is that the batfe WILL, if they decide to prosecute you, state that the "device" was intended for use to convert the firearm to fire more than 1 shot with only 1 "manual" pull of the trigger and they will cite past precedent(s) where they have successfully convicted others for doing the exact same thing.
the defense attorney will have already tried to convince you to pre-trial it.
tapper45 11 months ago
@tapper45 Yeah read what you posted smarty, designed or re-designed... what if he "accidentally" put it on or it "magically" appeared? then he didnt purposly put it on XD. anyway bumpfiring is pulling the trigger over and over the recoil just assists him pulling it. Now stop trying to get rid of our rights and go grow a pair! BTW i loved the vid.
Ghillie334 10 months ago
@Ghillie334
no one cares if you liked the vid.
quit trying to define bumpfiring, everyone knows what it is and that it is not illegal.
if you read my posts and have an average understanding of the english language and you STILL don't agree with what i'm saying then you're an idiot with absolutely zero understanding of nfa law.
i am a pro-gun, pro 2nd amendment , retired military, republican, self described redneck gun nut with a college degree.
fuck you and grow your own pair.
tapper45 10 months ago
@tapper45 Then why the fuck did you say it was illigal? Apperently not everyone does know what it is including you. I dont give a shit if anyone cares if i liked the vid im just saying he did a nice job and hes got balls for putting up with assholes like yourself. No one gives a flying fuck if your ex-military a rebublican or a red neck. Im also pro gun partially a red neck and wasnt trying to piss you off but you had to take my comment the wrong way. I thought you were some liberal city slicker
Ghillie334 10 months ago
@Ghillie334
bumpfiring withan attached device (depending on the device) is considered illegal by the batfe and they prosecute it.
it doesn't take any balls to put up with assholes (like yourself) he just ignores the comments he wants to.
we already had our conversation prior to your ridiculous little intrusion.
no one gives a fuck what you think.
if they did, you'd be getting emails asking your opinion.
as it is, i'm reasonably sure that the emails you do get are pretty negative.
tapper45 10 months ago
@tapper45 The Akins was Banned because it practically automates bumpfiring. (The trigger finger only actually functions once.) Without the spring installed, they are still legal because the person shooting the firearm must bump fire it himself. The SSAR15 is still on the market for that reason most likely. It is almost subject to opinion, I know. However, devices that merely assist with bumpfire seem to be going strong.
mrjuggles1000 1 week ago
i guess they will outlaw rubber bands soon.
username0u812ic 1 year ago
@username0u812ic they have. u gotta be careful doing this, although it is still semi automatic by legal definition, some judges and jury's wont give a shit, it LOOKS automatic, so you LOOK like a criminal. i've heard of guys going to jail and/or recieving enormous fines for modifying their gun into a full auto weapon by using a rubber band.
bioforce5 1 year ago
very nice !
theycallmenica 1 year ago
lamer.
rob1upon1gsxr1000 1 year ago
is that a rubber band on the triger?
MrFatbastard35 1 year ago
ew a 9mm ar..... what a waste of money....
s197stangdragger 2 years ago
@s197stangdragger actually its the exact opposite, he saves money on ammo :D
Airsoftsniping101 1 year ago
I was thinking more along the lines of what purpose a 9mm rifle would serve. Its just not very practical or common. the first being the reason for the second
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
@s197stangdragger Mostly for target shooting, he probably has his own defense weapon, this is most likely more for the range.
Airsoftsniping101 1 year ago
I dont know. still seems utterly useless to me. Never did see the purpose of these things when they first hit the market and still dont. I have shot one and they arent very impressive at all. Just another AR with a weaker bullet than normal.
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
@s197stangdragger Well you are entitled to your own opinion and thats fine, Id rather get the same feel of an AR and train with cheaper ammo such as a lower caliber so i can train more while spending less, so when I go back to my .223 i get the same feel of the rifle maybe alittle more recoil but still feels the same. but I do understand what you mean, it just isn't for some people i guess
Airsoftsniping101 1 year ago
but you fail to realize that if you train with something you should always train with it how you will use it. If you shoot 55 grain 5.56 rounds for practice you shouldnt change to 62 grain 5.56 rounds when you use the gun for business. Same thing here, train with what you will use the gun with. 5.56 is not the expensive that you cant shoot it anymore. yeah 9mm is cheaper but its also not the same. Its like changing the slide on your pistol from .45 to a .22, its just not going to help you
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
@s197stangdragger No i do realize it but when 5.56 and .223 rounds are scarce now it is getting expensive to the point where most people don't shoot anymore. Id rather have a feel for my gun with a change in recoil than not train at all
Airsoftsniping101 1 year ago
thats just the inner cheapskate coming out in you. It gets annoying when you deal with it a lot. Like when people are buying guns. You get what you pay for. But people are always trying to get that bottom of the barrel deal on that "magnificent" gun. Like a hi-point. ew. If you use something enough with lower power ammo it will throw you off when you shoot it again with the real stuff. and that can be the difference between life and death. or just winning the bet you made on that shot.
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
Your talk about being thrown off because of a caliber change is a bunch of non since. Being accurate boils down to muscle memory, front sight focus, and trigger squeeze. The minuscule difference between the recoil of 9mm vs 223 is the least of my concern tactically. Recoil is the last thing you feel, and should be the last thing you concern yourself with. I train to be proficient with all of my weapons.
NineMMAR15 1 year ago
its not necessarily the recoil that throws you off, its the ballistics of the rounds. A 9mm just doesnt shoot like a 5.56 no matter how hard you try to say that it does. Try shooting a target at 150 yards with one and then switch to the other gun and reflexively shoot at the target the same way. Its habit to shoot it one way and then you use the same platform shooting a different round and it will throw you off no matter how you try to train the habit out.
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
I guess I just don't comprehend what you are saying. Sounds like you have had some issues with transitioning form one gun to the other. I don't see how your problems would translate to me having the same problems.
No I would not use my 9mm AR15 to engage a target 150 yards away, that is what my 223 is used for. Thanks for your opinion, but I have no problems changing from one firearm to another.
NineMMAR15 1 year ago
Ok........ I wasn't trying to translate anything to you. this is MY opinion. And no, I have no problem with my transitions. Always improving, but nothing to stop me from using both. And a 9mm AR is pretty damn good at 150yds BTW. If you got time for a rifle at 150, you got time to aim.....shot placement with decent (nato pressure) 9mm load will do the trick. My PD doesn't have a decent amount in their armament for no reason.
mlacey56 1 year ago
@s197stangdragger OK but all shooting below 100 yards is dead on and get this non shooter, If you can't adjust your sites on the fly to compensate for wind the you aren't a rifleman, why do you think they call it WINDage if you can't or are uncomfortable with adjusting then you aren't pushing yourself. many indoor ranges restrict rifles to pistol calibers. Are you suggesting that people who don't own land shouldn't shoot rifles in some convaluted way. OMG!
mocatz187 1 year ago
@mocatz187 i only use windage and elevation settings to zero my scope, why in gods name would i waste time readjusting it and probably fucking up my aim by tweaking it, when i could just aim a little to the left or right of the target. in any hunting/combat scenario, if you fire a shot, and realize the wind is messing up your aim, the animal/target is going to run like fucking hell, you wont have time to adjust. so no, adjusting on the fly doesnt make u a rifleman, it makes you and idiot
bioforce5 1 year ago
@s197stangdragger Do you even own a gun? have you ever shot a gun before?
After reading your posts it sounds like you've been reading too much and not shooting or ???? I shoot alot and I can tell you Airsoftsniping knows what He's talking about.
mocatz187 1 year ago
@s197stangdragger Your way off guy. 9mm will make you excellent with 5.56.
.223 & 5.56 are flat shooters , why would it matter if you switch back and forth.
The true difference is that .223 and 5.56 are more accurate but thats it.
An 11" bbl AR15 with 5.5" AK74 style muzzle brake has less recoil than a 9mm AR w/16" bbl .
mocatz187 1 year ago
Id rather keep 9mm in my home defense gun than a rifle round.....only because I live in the city and a .223 would go though multiple houses.....second the ammo is cheaper and easier to find around here than .223. Alot of people got em around here (oregon).
mlacey56 1 year ago
why use a rifle in the house? its too big to manuever as easily as a pistol. And since your rifle is shooting a pistol round already, what major advantage does it give you? the answer: none. its big, bulky and still shoots a 9mm. If you worry about shooting through walls buy some frangible ammo. or hollowpoints for pistols. cheaper ammo is only good if you plan on shooting it a lot. train with similar rounds and keep your good stuff for emergencies. pistols are for houses, not rifles
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
I like my full auto 9mm in a rifle, not a handgun design.(such as a MP or G18) I should have specified....the ones up here are full auto.
mlacey56 1 year ago
you are still missing the point of why I would want to keep the gun in a rifle caliber. BECAUSE ITS A RIFLE. therefore its too big to move around defensively indoors unless you live in a open warehouse. Pistols and bullpups are the kings of indoor firepower. they are shorter that full length rifles and use calibers better suited to close range engagments, ie .45, 9mm, 5.7x28. manuverability is key when fighting indoors. and thats where you should plan to use these guns.
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
wrong wrong wrong. the king of indoor firepower is the h&k mp5. used by tactical forces all over the world for close quarter combat. chambered in 9mm.
jon780 1 year ago
The advantages are a much larger magazine and being far more accurate since it's fired from the shoulder. By your logic the h&k mp5 is worthless since it has a similar overall length.
jon780 1 year ago
The H&K MP5 is much shorter than the AR in the video dude. and they make an MP5K which is even shorter. But they are still harder to manuever inside a building or house. you come to a tight corner and the pistol just works better. And the MP5 is still only firing a 9mm, a pistol round. But if you really want to use a subgun indoors, why not use the UMP45? its got way more power and is the same size as the MP5. The Mp5 is good but its not the king of indoors anything.
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
Not much shorter than an m4 when the stock is extended. They are not hard to maneuver inside a building. That's why they are the preferred weapon for basically every law enforcement agency in the world for CQB. Again, a weapon fired from the shoulder is far more accurate than a pistol. They also have very high capacity magazines. They also fire in full auto or three round burst depending on configuration if necessary.
jon780 1 year ago
The reason the MP5 is the preferred weapon for a lot of LE agencies is because they shoot full auto, carry 30 round mags, and are very accurate when used by a trained operator. However, they are not used by any LE agency specifically because they are good at manuvering indoors. They are quite a bit shorter than an AR with a 16" barrel (MP5 has a 8.9inch barrel) but still are not as mobile as a pistol inside. You can rant and rave all you want but facts are facts and a pistol is better indoors
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
First of all no one uses a full length 16" AR for CQB you're using something around an 11-12". Second of all barrel length is only a part of the equation - whats important its OAL (overall length). And finally, I'm not ranting or raving, I'm just very reasonably and succinctly outlining why you are incorrect.
jon780 1 year ago
Jon780 & s197stangdragger what does the stuff you to are arguing about have anything to do with my bump firing video? If you all want to have a debate on what is the best length, caliber, or style of gun that is better for CQB then go make a video on it. Don't debate it on the comment section of my videos. If you are a civilian you wont be in a CQB scenario anyway, unless you are playing COD 4.
NineMMAR15 1 year ago 2
well if thats the case then the same thing goes for your rubberband gun dude. what purpose does that serve as a "civilian"? but thats whatever.
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
The same thing doesn't apply for my technique because it is my video. Machine guns own by civilians are used for target shooting. No civilian is going to use their $10k MG for defence. My technique gives a civilian the chance to own a firearm that can accurately mimic the rate of fire of a real machine gun.
NineMMAR15 1 year ago 3
unless you wanna do quite a bit of paperwork and waste a lot of time, you wont have any barrel length shorter than 16" on a rifle, unless you like going to jail. And even a fool can see that a pistol is much shorter overall than any rifle or subgun ever made. Just forget about it dude. I am correct. Ask any operator or LEO that you know and they should agree.
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
@jon780 your wrong, marines use full size 20" barrels and if your a civilian it doesnt matter anyway kuz the shortest you can own is 16" legally without filling with the atf for a short barrel gun permit
joedirtyy 1 year ago
@jon780 He's comparing civilian rifles to law enforcement weapons. LOL.
mocatz187 1 year ago
@jon780
we use the m4 carbine for cqb in the ARMY.
14.5" barrel with a 6" suppressor.
tapper45 1 year ago
@s197stangdragger MUCH shorter NO. Stock deployed NO. Are you thinking of the MP5K?
mocatz187 1 year ago
@mocatz187 dude quit smoking crack and understand one thing. I shoot more than you could ever dream of shooting. I understand more about the rounds than you do also. 9mm does not have a ballistic arc like a 5.56. It will drop quite a bit faster even at only 100 yards. And no one adjusts sights on the fly. they just compensate mentally and then shoot and adjust accordingly. If you move the actual sight you will lose your zero. And SWAT uses different guns for different situations.
s197stangdragger 1 year ago
@s197stangdragger Then why doesn't SWAT stick with handguns for entry into HOUSES. jeez why are we paying attention to this idiot.
mocatz187 1 year ago
any advice on the rubber band technique with a ak47 / drum mag?
gmanflyairforce3 2 years ago
@gmanflyairforce3 Hold the barrel nearer to the muzzle(but not too near) as the AK barrel may tend to wave around sometimes. Also, you should try to hip fire it first as the recoil is rather undesirable if used on the shoulder
jeffxu1234567890 2 years ago
alright thanks..I'll see if I can make something happen next time I'm out shooting without killing myself
gmanflyairforce3 2 years ago
if you were to use the rubber band technique on an ak47, how would you place it around the gun?..can you?..what if it has a drum mag?
gmanflyairforce3 2 years ago
you ever do anything with the ak 47 and its variants? you should... and by the way you could bump like that without the rubberband..
dills2403 2 years ago
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I think anyone who bump fires is an idiot for using a firearm in an unsafe manner.
TheSKSMan 2 years ago
Am I missing something here? Do my videos really show me being unsafe? I have 100% bullet accountability. With that being said, what difference does it make how fast I shoot, provided that I know where all my rounds are going?
If you think for one minute that I believe that you NEVER shot your SKS as fast as you could at the range, concentrating on speed rather than accuracy. You are mistaking!
CorallusKeeper 2 years ago 10
on a liberals point of view your bieng unsafe lol. your rifle looks bad ass bro. I am runnng a stag arms model 3h m4a3. and I am putting every little thing on it that I can to " hook it up " lol the new rear sight is mil spec but was so loose that it could lift off of the rail so I put velcrow under the sight and the rail and it tightned up . is this type of thing commen? hope you dont mind me asking
fnfal308Rhino 2 years ago 2
theman: with a rubberband...its not hard at all, however the more "classic" bumping is done with your thumb and is a bit harder to do. But, the thumb technique works out a bit better with pistols (i've only tried with m9)
AnnihilatorOfWaffles 2 years ago
I no it kind of gay but would this work on a semiauto blank gun 9mm
Ry8108 2 years ago
How easy is it to master this technique?
themanfromwyoming 2 years ago
so how would i do this to a semi auto thompson with a drum mag?
FerrariF50gt1 2 years ago
I have seen people bump fire the Thompson with the stick mags. I think the additional weight of a drum mag would make it un-bumpfireable.
NineMMAR15 2 years ago
You are correct it is completely Legal to do what you are doing.
bigrthanur 2 years ago
Wrong! I know it sounds like BS, but if you check the ATF website, using a rubber band (which is considered a tool) to make your weapon bump fire is a class A FELONY! Yes I know its sounds ridiculous, bump firing is 100% legal BUT using a tool (even states a rubber band is a tool) to simulate full auto is illegal. Just thought I'd give you guys a heads up, I mean, I seriously doubt the ATF will prosecute this person but.....they could
siccsoul916 2 years ago
Before you type comments on my videos you should do your homework.
I just checked the BATFE website for any new rulings on "ATF Ruling 2006-2: Classification of Devices That are Exclusively Designed to Increase the Rate of Fire of a Semiautomatic Firearm" There is no verbiage in the text of that rule that mentions, or describes the use of "rubber bands" as being included in their ruling against the "Akins Accellerator" which is the only device described in detail, in that ruling.
NineMMAR15 2 years ago
The reason why you do not see rubber bands mentioned in that ruling is because it used the same "mechanics" as the Tac-Triggers, Hellfire, and Hellstorm 2000 devices that have been ATF approved for 30+ years.
Have the ATF FTB officially ruled these "other" trigger devices to be illegal? NO!
Could the ATF FTB change their mind about the "other" trigger devices that would also make using rubber band illegal? YES! If, and when this happens my videos, and website will be deleted.
NineMMAR15 2 years ago
You are incorrect sir. The BATF ruling specifically targets devices like the Atkins Accelerator in which "one pull" of the trigger starts the mechanical function. In the Atkins stock the receiver moves rearward and the trigger disappears into the stock. Making it literally one trigger pull, whereas a device such as Hellstorm or a rubber band are legal, because the triggers is pulled repeatedly albeit at a fast rate.
HatrXx78 2 years ago
atf (DOT) gov/alcohol/info/revrule/rules/atfruling_2006-2.pdf
Go to this website... substitute the (dot) for a real .
HatrXx78 2 years ago
not its not u can use rubber bands and buy things that do a simular thing its not illegal b/c they dont consider it a tool
bobwatters 2 years ago
ATF approved weapons that have the bumper stock. Personally i think the bumper stockk is a permantly fixed tool where the rubberband is just temporary. Thats like putting a magnet on your bullet button tool and saying its illegal. If anything you'd think it was the other way around. Make the bumperstock illegal and the rubberband okay.
marktse 2 years ago
"bump stock" you speak of is illegal nowcompany was closed down, i have one in my closet. although when i bought it it was perfectly legal, i cant have it installed on my rifle without the risk of a felony for owning an illegal post 1986 i believe "machine gun"
jackingoffkills 2 years ago
I have an akins accelerator in my closet also. Minus the springs
NineMMAR15 2 years ago
i know it makes me look like an idiot but i am sorry for my misspelled wording ive never been good with grammer lol
screamawhisper 2 years ago
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any modification to a gun to make it fire auto is illegal. my cuz showed me where in his gun he could make it full auto by a mod but its illegal so he wont do it. now this is a rubberband could this be concidered by a judge to be a mod?? just somthing to think about when you transport your guns, run into an asshole cop and you could be the first they fuck with a new law. Nine dont get such an ego, most people who tell u this is illegal are looking out for you. chill man
FridaySternShow 2 years ago
I receive about 20 emails a week saying that adding a rubber band to a semi auto firearm is illegal frankly it gets kind of old. Most of the people who tell me this have not done their home work. Before I started my website, or filmed my videos I consulted the ATF Firearms Technology Branch. They concluded that adding a rubber band merely acts as an auxiliary trigger return spring.
NineMMAR15 2 years ago
i see your point and i agree in priniple we all need to be careful but according to the atf the modification has to be a perminante fixture to the firearm if it can be detached without the aid of tools then it cant be considered perminante
screamawhisper 2 years ago
would it work with a mossburg .22?
kozzy18 2 years ago
it should work in any semi auto firearm
spgllif 2 years ago
22s usually dont have enough recoil for it to work, search "bumpfire"
bigyota23 2 years ago
i wonder if that works with a .22?
starshock01 2 years ago
It works with a ruger 1022!
NineMMAR15 2 years ago
sweet thanks!
starshock01 2 years ago
Well... I think ATF knows about youtube and he's not arrested yet so...
lighturpl3 2 years ago
this IS illegal fyi
gokucow 2 years ago
Do you have any evidence to back up this statement? Or are you just talking out of your ass?
NineMMAR15 2 years ago
Don't feel like looking up the specific BATF law, but any object that increases the rate of fire of a firearm is illegal. The bump-firing isn't illegal, but using a foreign object to do it technically is. It's just like the metals ring and a string trick.
gokucow 2 years ago
If you are referring to ATF Ruling 2006-2 on their website, you might try reading the whole text before you jump to conclusions. That ruling was directed solely at the Akins Accelerator. No where in that ruling does it mention any other devices, and the reason it doesn't is because the rubber band uses the same mechanics as the Hell Storm 2000 device. The hell Storm device has been ATF approved for over 30 years. They would look stupid if they ruled that device a MG conversion 30 years later.
CorallusKeeper 2 years ago
Absolutely correct! Trust me, I have done my homework. If I receive notification stating other wise you will not be able to find any of my videos but one stating that bump firing has been ruled illegal.
NineMMAR15 2 years ago
The foreign object you are refering to is doing exactly the same job as what the factory installed trigger return spring is doing! If they say the rubber band is illegal, then all semi autos would be illegal.
NineMMAR15 2 years ago
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j3wp0w3r 2 years ago
bad analogy, that doesn't make sense
USAPatriot89 2 years ago
Gotta love it. Simple physics.
95path 3 years ago 4
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i fink we should buy ak-47s and kill dr.phil that would solve all teh problemz we have with anti-civilian nuclear weapons people.
elijah56565656 3 years ago
Any comment that threatens bodily harm to someone will get you blocked from posting on my videos. Congratulations you have been blocked!
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
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Is there a terms of use for your videos? And if so, where is it? You can't legally block him unless you warn him first not to do it.
You're just pulling rules out of your ass.
unbelievablechops 3 years ago
Elijah56565656 was blocked from posting any further comments that condone murder or any other psychical harm to another human being. I find it counter productive, and uncivilized. Being the owner of my videos I am obligated to "Block" whoever I see is commenting in an uncivilized manor. Don't like it, watch a different channel.
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
You should have given him a warning first eg. "Next time you post a comment like that you'll be blocked." Instead of just blocking him straight away. My point is, how was he supposed to know that was your policy?
And anyway, as far as I can see, that comment he made was a joke. A joke in poor taste. But a joke nonetheless.
unbelievablechops 3 years ago
I am sure that Eric Harris, and Dylan Klebold the guys who shot up Columbine High School joked about killing people before they actually did it. It is not my job to know who is joking or not.
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
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its not youre job at all . all youre doing is posting up vids of how to let people make auto matics your a stupid hypocrite faggot,thats why im going to kill you
stfuBUDDY 3 years ago
There is nothing automatic about the technique I am demonstrating. Judging from your user profile you will have to get something more than a queer airsoft gun to kill me with, being that you can't own a real gun because you live in California.
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
....get em
ADHDpillz 3 years ago 2
"Can't legally block him"? He can do what he wants on his videos.
s4m2 3 years ago
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Prove it.
unbelievablechops 3 years ago
Idiot
Ghoststarks 3 years ago
They are his videos. He can do whatever the hell he wants you douche.
Ghoststarks 3 years ago 2
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PROVE IT
unbelievablechops 3 years ago
nice man
did you move your support hand forward or just pull the trigger gentally? i can't tell from the video
fletcher0102 3 years ago
I have to agree with the video poster, its not about semi-auto guns, its about all guns. Moreso, it is about the idea that some do not want or need daddy government to take care of them. Guns and gun ownership are a sign of self-reliance and empowerment most high level polluta-titions do not want. They want to save you, even from freedom. It is not about guns to them, its about POWER over others.
marshallone 3 years ago 2
ok so can someone please explain to me you just wrap a rubber band around your AR-15 and you squeeze gently
Jenabzadeh1 3 years ago
...it takes some touch/feel/experience....but yes Jenabzadeh1 it does work with practice.
Depending on the condition and type of weapon you make experience a lot of jams, this is because most semi-autos are not set up for the same cyclic rate as full autos....I would have to guess that NineMMAR15 took that into account with this demo....from reading this comment board, I would qualify him as an AR platform expert.
Foxxhtr 3 years ago
...fred...why buy the kit for 600.00 when an FFL 3 is only 500.00 per year, and you can own all the autos you want?
Foxxhtr 3 years ago
I hope you are rich. To get any type of FFL you have to have a store front. The BATFE is cracking down on home based FFL businesses! Post 86 dealer sample machine guns are cheaper, but you still have to find a local police department who will write up a demo letter for you. Believe me the BATFE has cracked down on police departments who issue these letter willie nillie!
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
True nineMMAr15, here in Az. the deptartments are a little more co-operative though, that is why you see people like Dillon ( of Blue Press ) and others making their home here...you need not have a store front if you are a " manufacturer/developer"...as I believe you would qualify for. You are probably aware of how many suppressor, auto, custom etc..shops are here in Az. they make it difficul, but it can be done.
Foxxhtr 3 years ago
I agree with you guys!.....I was just yelled at for commenting in the same way....(and here in Az. we can still get some of the quality weapons )....don't feed the liberal anti gun agenda....some secrets are worth keeping!
Foxxhtr 3 years ago
Liberal, conservative, they both want your guns, and your hard earned money. If you want to keep your guns, and gain a hell of a lot more freedoms, Ron Paul would have been a better choice for the republican ticket. Bush, and McCain, both have a history of being opposed to guns. Read the news papers of the day after VT happened. And please don't say that stupid "Da liberal jew media "caint" be trusted" shit. Neither side of the coin wants you to be able to own a gun.
M3D1C473 3 years ago 4
Oh and if you are in CA Liek myself we will feel the heat from this first. Bump firing is known about but it's not being put into DVD's and Youtube instructional videos, I fear this will bring the Anti-Semi adnd AR type Nuts out to play by shinning a light on it. Also if you are from CA DO NOT try to Bump Fire at a range out here. Mis-fires will get you in jail alone.
NsOakland6 3 years ago
Dude don't promote bump firing your going to have the ATF and DOJ on are (AR owners) ASSES in a quick second. They will take these videos and instructions and use them for progpaganda to ban Semi-Auto weapons. Just kill this vid and that site before all goes to hell faster then it already is!
NsOakland6 3 years ago
Bump Firing has been around, and approved by the BATFE several years. Long before you became your Dads little squirt. It's people who think like you do, wanting to conform to the anti-gun crowds wishes by being submissive is what prompted the enactment of the Huges Amendment.
The Right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
Look here sport... I wouldn't be a CA AR owner if I was submissive and conform to Anti-Gun BS. Maybe you don't understand how ugly it can get here in CA in an INSTANT with this stuff. We got a little bit of progress and something like this would kill it before we could get 2A incorporation and more Pro-Gun/.2A law. I don't care what the BATFE has approved, those ass holes will turn on you in a min. All it takes is for one of these vids to hit CA news and it could be over....
NsOakland6 3 years ago
Cont....All the Anti-Gunners will see is "MACHINE GUN". I'm not against bump-firing but to blast it all out in the open and literally show how an AR or any Semi-auto can basically shoot Full Auto is a bit much. We are making 2A progress but not that damn much. It's still believed to be a free country so you continue to do what you want this is all my opinion.
NsOakland6 3 years ago
The anti-gun politions want to ban guns period. Diane Feinstine told 60mins that if she could of got 51 votes in the senate for an outright ban she would of done it; Mr and Mrs America turn them all in. They don't care about me, or my technique or else they would of used it agains the NRA when Wayne La Pierre challenged Bill Clintion and members of congress to prove that so called assault weapons "spray shoot"! If they bring it up again I will be there with the NRA to disprove the ease of it.
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
clever
IntolerantInLove 3 years ago
Didn't the ATF declare these kind of "shoelace" bumpfire methods to be machineguns themselves, thereby a NFA violation?
hankdatank1362 3 years ago
Not as of yet. The rubber band does not cause you gun to bumpfire. It mearly forces the trigger to reset quicker. The gun is stock, and still functions one shot per pull of the trigger.
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
It looks like you hold the butt an inch away or so away from your shoulder and let it bounce after each shot. Is this right?
krutmin 3 years ago
The gun is shouldered normaly. The only thing I am doing differently is pulling the gun forward with my left hand untill the hammer falls. Constant forward tension with my left hand is counter acted by the rearward recoil of the gun being fired!
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
what do you even use that gun for
Track14 3 years ago
Home defence, Target shooting, all of the above!
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
Is that an HBAR or lightweight bar? I've been deciding whether to go heavy or light.
stixx2000 3 years ago
I guess it is a heavy barrel in 9mm!
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
how much would AR15 cost?
lti12 3 years ago
Just under $1000.00
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
Well depending where you live(do you live in a facist or communist state?)you can buy a kit for about 600 bucks depending on what gimmicks you want. You can pick up a lower receiver from 80-100 bucks or more. The AR15 comes with all the parts you need except for the lower receiver. The upper receiver is assembled and test fired. All you would have to do is assembled the lower receiver. There are books and videos on how to assemble it. No need to buy one off the shelf. About $800 or less.
fffreddie 3 years ago
why is ur clip so thin? are u shooting pistol rounds? instead of the normal m16 rounds?
n0twxl0c 3 years ago
its chambered in 9mm. a typical m16 or ar-15 is chambered in 5.56x45 NATO or .223 Remington
yeahsteeeve 3 years ago
Why do I even bother putting more information in the section to the right of the video labled "More Info". If people would watch and read the information I provide they could answer their own questions...... Sorry just a rainy day rant!
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
To be honest, I was a Youtube user for awhile before I even noticed the "more info" section. Cut the guy some slack.
yeahsteeeve 3 years ago
You expect people to read? Hahaha!
Ghoststarks 3 years ago
someone needs to get outside
ski123ski 3 years ago
well if that isnt the pot calling the kettle black
yeahsteeeve 3 years ago
i do get outside so wtf are you talking about?
ski123ski 3 years ago
be expecting a visit.
spacehurricane 3 years ago
What is that suposed to mean?
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
atf
Spade117 3 years ago
I am not worried about getting a visit from them. I am not doing anything different or using any new technology that they haven't already approved currently or in the past.
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
What are you using as far as the upper?
unvun 3 years ago
I bought the gun as a complete 16" rifle. The gun is a Rock River Arms LAR15 9MM. I registered it as a Short barrel rifle then had the barrel cut to 10.5 inches.
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
You are indeed correct, NineMMAR15, I was just specifying as to what spacehurrican meant.
Spade117 3 years ago
The BATF once famously ruled a shoestring as a machinegun (owner attached it round the fixed op-rod of a semi-auto rifle, put it over the top of his rifle receiver and tied it to his trigger finger). Bump-firing technically, but never trust a government agency to be logical, fair, or trust them at all!
mattchoo87 3 years ago
Nice... Can you to do it right out of the box or are the triggers modified in any way?
bamaguy100 3 years ago
My gun is 100% stock, and I actualy dont need the rubber band. I have heard that it is easier to do with a 2 stage trigger, or a reduced power spring kit. I have tryed the spring kit but I would get light primer strikes so I switched back to stock parts. The less you mess with the fire control componets the less headache you will have with the BATFE!
NineMMAR15 3 years ago
Thanks nine, i appreciate your responce. Get my AR15 in 6 days and i cant wait to try it.
bamaguy100 3 years ago
Ehhh...I don't think the BATFE looks very kindly to rubberbands being used to bump fire. Better not get caught doing it.
(Is it just me or does their name keep getting longer? :P)
Badjedidude 3 years ago
It seems perfectly legal - you're not MODIFYING the weapon in any way.
draggonman 3 years ago
its perfectly legal, i read a letter from the atf stating that it was
ethtreyu 3 years ago