why are there anti-israel photos on this? I agree with the emancipation of the working class, and freedom for all, but i am not in support of terrorist organisations like Hamas.
"this song should be named comrades united for thats what it is its the overthrow of this tribalistic idea that where we are from maters it the idea in a persons head not of his origin thats why i cant stand nationalists for socialism will unite the world in an everlasting union forget inequality. for socialism is the idea that were all equal and i support it whether people say it works or not for i know IT DOSE!!!!!!!!! "
Americans! I'm from Russia. You know nothing of USSR and socialism. Sometimes I read comments with American video clips. I hate the prases like "USSR was a horrible prison" or "Stalin killed millions of innocents". You are brainwashed that you don't object to capitalist politic. Need proof? Read up my next comments to the end.
Foreigners! You astonish me. I often communicate with people who lived in USSR. Almost all of them love Soviet Union - a light of socialism in the world! Other countries spread lies about us in order to you don't know the truth! You don't belive USSR was very amazing country. You think It's our propaganda. You think socialism is evil. No it isn't! I know the opinions of people who lived there. People were really happy. Don't listen to american propaganda, it's lying and lying
You are so funny, americans. Money does not bring happiness. And it is pointless to live for private welfare. Capitalism is a stupid system that can destroy the Earth. We lived in the country and society free from false values, hate each other, greed and vulgarity. So the people lived in the USSR most often tell. Isn't it simple happiness to live so? Or do you like to turn into a pig? The majority voted for the Communist Party: izbircom2011.ru! Now, do you believe?
@SueStraka you seem to repeat only what you are told, try independent thinking. It's okay, go ahead and give it a go. Capitalism only makes us slaves, unlkie you I know that a truly free market requires REGULATION to keep it free. The conflict is Capitalists hate competition, but competition will eventually destroy them. BTW, unlike Billy Bragg, I am an Anarchist so I truly believe in DEMOCRACY and not in this buffoonish American system that benefits only the wealthiest.
@SueStraka ... lady many learned people come to listen the internatioanle in youtube... so plz .. if have to say something.. say something that makes sense....
@SueStraka "The Capitalists will sell us the rope by which we will hang them". In other words, the greed, incompetence & short-sightedness of the top strata of society will inevitably create the conditions whereby an overthrow of the current system is made possible
Great left-wing leaders & thinkers such as Beveridge, Keynes & FDR. realized this, and favoured a social democratic, regulated mixed economy - one that has proven to be superior to laissez faire-capitalism, neoliberalism and stalinism
Сommentators-anticommunists are stupid degenerate who have been brainwashed with lies about USSR, Che Guevara and socialism. You know nothing of them. I'm from Russia. Sometimes I read comments with American video clips. I hate the prases like "USSR was a horrible prison" or "Stalin killed millions of innocents". You are brainwashed that you don't object to capitalist politic. Read my second comment.
Foreigners! You astonish me. I often communicate with people who lived in USSR. Almost all of them love Soviet Union - a light of socialism in the world! Other countries spread lies about us in order to you don't know the truth! You don't belive USSR was very amazing country. You think It's our propaganda. You think socialism is evil. No it isn't! I know the opinions of people who lived there. People lived and were really happy. Don't listen to american propaganda, it's lying and lying
It's ironic that from workers internationalism we are now protesting against internationalism when it takes the form of economic globalisation and multinational corporations which are now increasingly running the world rather than elected governments?
@PhilipM9 Well its because one is based on democracy, equality and freedom, the other is based on corporate dictatorship and total control of the people.
true communism has never been implemented in any country we have gotten to socialism but never communism. the reason is not because it is a bad system, but because of corrupt leaders and of course there cant be a communist nation when the rest of the world is capitalist. We should all strive to achieve our communist ideals every day.
Foreigners! You make me laugh. I often communicate with people who lived in USSR. We love Soviet Union - a light of socialism in the world! Capitalist countries spread lies about us that you don't know the truth! And you believe. You don't belive USSR was the most amazing country. You think It's our propaganda. You think socialism is evil. No it isn't! I know the opinions of people who lived there. We were really the happiest nation. Don't listen to american propaganda, it's lying and lying.
We are the 99%...We Will Sing That Song Each Languages Which We Speak. And You 1%! You Will Listen Only A Voice...This is The Voice of the INTERNATONALE!!!!!
Happy New Year 99% !!! Happy New Year Brothers and Sisters Who Live All Over The World !
@ NotoEUyestoDemocracy. The idea that greed will always exist has been proven wrong by the native american tribes. When we arrived they shared willingly, each member of the tribe taking only what they needed. They only became greedy when we forced them to greed. Our society made them greedy. It is correct that greed will always exist under capitalism but in a society collectively ran for the masses, sharing will be encouraged over greed. Over time it will wither and die
"Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of society; all that it does is deprive him of the power to subjugate the labor of others by means of such appropriation". Karl Marx, Communist Manifesto. I find the question of private property to be pretty funny. What is it that the objectors want? An acre of land and a mansion? What is the purpose of having land besides to isolate yourself or disobey the rules of society privately?
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy And, ignoring the intrinsic irony of your having commented about me wanting the last word, thereby continuing the conversation, I wouldn't know about being proven wrong seeing as you have at no point done that. What I don't like is people thinking they've proven me wrong when all they've done is recite a list of tired right-wing platitudes that could have been taken straight out of a UKIP pamphlet.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - Capitalism is horribly broken. There are individuals sitting on enough money to feed a small country, there are miserable wage slaves working unbearable hours in terrible conditions who barely earn enough to eat for their whole lives, there are huge corporations motivated exclusively by profit exploiting millions of people and devastating the environment. The world is a plutocracy. People are alienated from each other and divided by consumerism.
@PuissantAlgernon Indeed comrade. Capitalism's own contradictions will destroy it, don't you see it happening? its crumbleing. People are waking up slowly to the reality that "Infinite Growth" does not exist. Thus we will triumph they will kick and scream but inebidably they are drowning and have no way to stay afloat. Borrowing money to stay afloat will only sink them further. So its a matter of time comrade.
Communists have been predicting the collapse of capitalism since 1848. Capitalism has survived, while the Soviet Union and eastern bloc have collapsed and China, Vietnam and Cuba have all adapted elements of capitalism in order to survive. and North Korea has received $1 Billion in aid from the United States since 1995. Marx was wrong. and so are you, comrade.
@TheTollundWoman And once again we have someone who doesn't understand the difference between what a government calls itself and its actual socioeconomic policies. Ironically, people who make this make this mistake tend to be the ones who claim to be the most distrustful of governments and discourage taking them at their word.
@TheTollundWoman Soon, I should hope. Authoritarian regimes like North Korea and China do nothing but harm the cause of actual Marxism throughout the world.
@TheTollundWoman Capitalism has been failing slowly, but surely. Capitalism would not have been able to continue with an unregulated free-market, and as you may be able to see, the more we advance the more "socialist" reforms and regulations are implemented. Capitalism is on socialist life-support and will ultimately fail and be replaced with something very close to socialism. This is inevitable and is the reason the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital are still relevant.
It is communism that is failing, not slowly but rapidly. There are only four nation-states in the world that still call themselves "communist"; three of them- Cuba, Vietnam and China- have begun widespread capitalist reforms to meet the basic needs of their citizens; the only other Communist state, North Korea, has received over $1 Billion dollars in aid from the capitalist "failing" US since 1995, and billions more from "failing" capitalist South Korea.
The exact opposite is true: it is communism that is on capitalist life-support, with the "Workers" party depending on American and South Korean aid, and handouts from Japan and the EU. Korea will be reunited as a capitalist democracy. Das Kapital is irrelevant; I suggest you reread "the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen".
@TheTollundWoman Fuck NK, if you knew one damn thing about communism you would know that post-Lenin USSR, and all other Stalin copycat regimes are NOT communist. Das Kapital is and will be relevant until capitalism is replaced.
It is funny that you mention the Declaration of the Rights of Man snd Citizen, which explicitly condemn exploitation of a human being by another one, which is exactly capitalism do with corporations and banks. Thus, capitalist values violate the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen...
Workers in capitalist societies have the legal right and political freedom to protect themselves from exploitation, they can form independent trade unions, go on strike for better pay and conditions,and sue corporations that violate labor laws. Whereas workers in communist states are denied the means to resist exploitation. During the so-called Chollima movement workers worked up to 16 hour days. Can you explain why there are no independent trade unions in the so-called DPRK?
Yet, the average worker can barely defend his rights be it in court or by going on strikes simply because, in the first place, he need to be able to afford a good lawyer, which big businesses can easily afford to defend their interests unlike the average worker. In the second place, big businesses have lobbies working with police forces as well as governments to prevent strikes to even happen and that's when they even allow unions *cough* Wal-Mart *cough*.
In a democratic society corporations are held accountable by workers (who have unions to represent their interests) and by an elected government (which has laws in place protecting workers' rights, guaranteeing safe conditions, equitable pay etc.) Under a dictatorship of any type, including a communist one, exploitation is accompanied by systematic terror so that people have no way of defending their own rights.
To answer your question in the previous post, the reason why there isn't any independent trade union is simply because in socialist countries, the businesses themselves are under worker's control. In capitalism system, employees are simply given the illusion that they can do something to defend themselves as I showed in my previous answer.
@Tiberiansam In those so called "socialist" countries (Cuba, North Korea, USSR etc.) the businesses were actually run by party elite. If you want to see real socialism in action, look to Anarchism in Spain, Mexico, and Ukraine.
Let's not mistake totalitarism with communism since communism, the real one is which everyone share the ressources equally, according to their need, hasn't ever seen the day in any country.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Firstly, in a communist system you wouldn't have bought something because there wouldn't be money but rather free exchange of labour. Secondly, in a capitalist system it would be very hard to build a house without exploiting people. Thirdly, what entitles you to the land on which the house is built? Fourthly and most importantly, people would want to share their 'property' with others because they aren't sociopaths and want others to thrive.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy You wouldn't privately own a home, but there would be laws against trespassing where someone else lives. People would have freedom and rights, but within reason. You can't just invade someone's home.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - As long as there is humanity there will always be anger and lust and the fear of outsiders, but that doesn't mean we should structure our society around legalised murder, rape and racism, does it?
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - There's no such thing as private ownership, no. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. It's a much more humane system, and based more in communal interests than selfishness and greed like capitalism. I also note that you think that Bill Gates (for example) works tens of thousands of times harder than an employee in a sweatshop doing a 16 hour day
And yes, Zimbabwe and Syria are horrible places. That's exactly the point. Try and keep up.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Of course bourgeois democracy has NEVER been taken over by dictators.
If it's being run by a single person it isn't communism, even if it claims it is. For exactly the same reasons that Germany in the 1930s, Burma prior to this year, and countries like Zimbabwe and Syria aren't democracies even though they say that they are.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - That sentence doesn't appear to make sense, possibly due to the characteristic dearth of punctuation. In any case, the whole point of Marxist communism is that no one person does have absolute power; the socialist state that exists in the transition between the bourgeois and communist phases is governed by elected committees of workers. Even one so flawed in his approach to communism as Lenin realised this and tried to stop Stalin from taking power after he died.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - Thanks for PMing me that 'definition' of Marxism you found on Yahoo! Answers. I note that it barely said anything about the actual political theory, instead coming out with such gems as "standard of living and freedom delivered by the free market" (i.e. sweatshops, international monpolies, corporations holding patents on lifesaving medicines...) and "'real communism' has been tried around 30 times", which completely misses the point of saying 'real' (Marxist) communism.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy I'm sure the world's historians would be very interested to see your thesis on how Stalinism is, in fact, the same as Marxism. You must have studied 'Das Kapital' and 'The German Ideology' in great detail. But no, seriously, do you even understand what the word 'Marxism' means?
And no, of course I'm not saying that we should operate under Sharia Law. Your lack of reading comprehension is showing. I used Egypt and Syria as examples of dictatorships claiming to be democratic.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy And indeed even the countries you've been (falsely) saying I support, such as China, North Korea, Cuba and the USSR don't operate under Sharia Law either!
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Which countries with Sharia Law was I using to state how I'd like Europe's countries to behave? I'm not aware of having used any countries at all to state how I'd like others to behave; in fact I've stated at least six times that there is not nor has there ever been a country that has operated according to the system I advocate.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy How can you say that Communism in the conditions anticipated and according to the principles laid down by Marx and Engels "all ends the same way" when such a society has never happened? I know Lenin and Trotsky WANTED a Marxist society, but USSR was never Marxist nor could it have been.
Incidentally for you, who has used nothing but the most belligerent language throughout this discussion, to tell me off for being insulting is the absolute pinnacle of hypocrisy.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy National identities are what cause wars. Truly you live a miserable existence if your sense of identity is based on the arbitrarily-defined chunk of land you happened to be born on. Also, I don't agree with the governmental system of the USSR. You make constant assertions to the contrary, but have not provided a scrap of evidence for it, so put up or shut up.
And whatever Barry Goldwater states, I haven't a shadow of a doubt that he says it better than you.
1. I don't know what 'conresending myself' is supposed to mean. But if the capacity to be co-opted by totalitarians is, as you suggest, a mark of a flawed ideology, then capitalist democracy is about as broken as it gets.
2. National identity is just a construct, a form of institutionalised tribalism. There's no intrinsic value to something merely because it's a tradition.
3. So what if lots of people agree with you? Argumentum ad populum.
lots of people may agree with NotoEUyestoDemocracy but the people who agree with him are idiots who dont know socialism/communism from there elbow where as around 75% of the worlds intulectuals agree with you and me
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Also, there's no doubt that Lenin and Trotsky believed in Marxist principles, but that doesn't mean that the revolution they organised or the state they established worked according to those principles. For instance, Marx said that a proletarian revolution should occur in an industrialised society such as 1920s Germany. Russia at the time was almost totally agrarian with very poor infrastructure. I'm guessing you didn't do history at A-level... or GCSE, for that matter...
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy What a convincing argument you make for minarchism there. Of course you'd know if you'd put an iota of effort into researching that which you argue against you'd know that the Marxist model is based on the eventual absence of a formal 'state' as well, it's just that it recognises that a system in which the bourgeoisie are free to mercilessly exploit workers and hold them to ransom through wage slavery isn't freedom at all.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - Can you back up your assertion that Marxist communism is less free than libertarian capitalism?
Also, why do the opinions of 'most people' or 'those who fought and died in our name' matter? Field soldiers are just as capable of being wrong than anybody else. A point's validity is based on its logical coherence, not on who makes it.
Oh, and also - what does "freedom of speach [sic]" have to do with the argument?
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Just because you want small government, & your pals want small government, does not mean most want that. As with most things, most people don't really care, but would probably settle for some sort of compromise. I'm not arrogant enough to assume I speak for everyone, or the ideas I believe in are the ONE TRUE SOLUTION TO ALL ILLS. I just think that on balance, freedom is over-stated in our current system when all power (& media) lies in the hands of the 0.1%
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy There has never been a country that could be called communist according to Marxist principles, so your claim is totally unsubstantiated.
China, North Korea etc are state capitalist dictatorships which just happen to call themselves communist in order to pretend they're on the side of the people. This doesn't mean they ARE communist any more than Syria or Egypt calling themselves republics means that they're democratic.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - Are you actually reading any of my posts? Because none of what you've said has, at any point, addressed a single aspect of what I've been arguing.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy As we keep saying, those countries demonstrably do not conform to the principles outlined by Marx and Engels in their writing on communism. You OR them saying that they're communist doesn't change this.
And you're confusing 'brainwashed' with 'possessing an opinion based in facts'. Of you and I, which one has actually read the source material, and which one blindly believes the right-wing press and, ironically, the self-proclamations of the very governments you despise?
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - What alabamamanable said. The governmental system of the USSR had had very little in common with the one that Karl Marx proposed.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy But then, of course, there's the problem of using your rationale in reverse: Pinochet's Chile and Franco's Spain were capitalist countries, were they bastion's of freedom? How about the U.S. sponsored Greek junta of the 60's and 70's? You'd be better off not defining an ideology by any specific government or political party.
@alabamamanable Though which politcal ideal, has had more dictatorships, that killed more people, that opressed rights even more then some other dictators did, Ex. Franco
I don't agree with fascist politics, he didn't kill people like Mao, Stalin, etc.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Now see you've made the exact same mistake again confusing communism with communist political parties, though you may have been trying to reply to someone else instead of me (I didn't say anything about Europe, the mess it's in, or its relation to communism). You then said that China and North Korea are communist, but no thinking person can look at those countries and see workers' control of the means of production.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - No, it is not Communism. That's exactly what we've been saying. You clearly have no idea what the ideological basis Communism is, so once again, I encourage you to read some Marx before you embarrass yourself further.
@NotoEU I think you're confusing communist ideology with communist political parties. Just because a country is ruled by the "Communist Political Party" doesn't make it's economy communist. The people that saw Stalin's USSR and Mao's China, N. Korea, etc. as a "worker's paradise" made the same mistake as you. It's just like it being possible to have a Socialist Democratic Republic, but most of the countries calling themselves that are anything but socialist or democratic.
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - No, that's how Stalinism and Chinese-style Authoritarian Capitalism is. Communism as Marx described it has never been tried. Russia in particular fulfilled virtually none of the conditions that would have qualified it as being 'ready' for a proletarian revolution, most notably in the fact that less than 5% of its population at the time was proletarian. Learn some history, dear boy. HAVE you read any Karl Marx?
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - Because actual Communism doesn't involve the government controlling everything. Have you ever read Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto or indeed any works by Karl Marx at all?
This song is perfect, combined by the slideshow (incredible selection of portraits and pictures, the timing, etc), it would be so much better if only the lyrics were displayed by usual subtitle, not that red futuristic one.
People, here is a way to contribute to the revolution of mind taking place since 15-10-2011: comment on this song by naming a previous revolution in which people themselves decided to take control themselves and which we can take as an example/inspiration for the events now taking place all over the world. -> continued in next comment
@sendanor It will have 2 effects: we will take care that these forgotten revolutions in their own way will be remembered and prevent them from being silenced by certain repressive authorities, and it will trigger people all over the world to think and thereby to contribute/get inspired themselves to act in their own way. Ready? OK, see the following comment for the precise example and start commenting/replying to it: -> continued in next comment
@sendanor Respect for the people massacred on Tiananmen Square, Peking 1989! Their memory will not be forgotten – they inspired me to be the change! OK people, next comment and keep it going on endlessly – your words will inspire things you haven’t even dreamed of! But keep it constructive, no pleas for violence, verbal butchering etc. – show the world we can do it otherwise than the war-like mongering of the old world.
The dirty little secret is that capitalism can't work without exploitation or socialistic regulation. Alabama farmers stupidly passed a law to attack illegals and those who hire illegals. Now to get their crops harvested they have to hire Americans who won't work for near slave labor wages. But raising wages prices them out of the world market. Welcome you tea partyers to the real world of capitalism.
it is up to this movement to organise and guide progressive forces using all the popular organs which grow spontaneously, ardent crucibles in which the revolutionary masses are melted, not for the drawing up of plebiscites, but rather waiting to be guided.
DEATH TO THIS SONG ALL HAIL CAPITALISM! COMMUNISM WOULD RESULT IN DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD. OCCUPATION OF WALL STREET IS FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS THE MULTIBILLIONAIRE WHO IS WANTING TO EXPLOIT THE PEOPLE INTO BREAKING WALL STREET IN ORDER TO PROFIT FROM IT JUST LIKE HE DID IN ENGLAND AND FRANCE, HE EXPLOITS THE WORKERS AND BUSINESSES FOR HIS OWN PROFIT FUCK ALL THE IGNORANT FUCKS WHO ARE SERVING HIM FUCK COMMUNISM. ALL HAIL CAPITALISM AND GOD BLESS AMERICA.
@PlusJean show me one setting in which capitalism or socialism has or will work just one. and it has to be possible nothing insane like "making everyone in the world not be greedy"
Communists have been predicting the end of capitalism since 1848- and they've been consistently wrong! Capitalism has survived every financial crisis since the Industrial Revolution; communism has COLLAPSED due to the crises it caused. Communism is history, freedom is the future, and WE ARE THE 99% who are NOT PARTY MEMBERS
@TheTollundWoman Capitalism keeps surviving by keeping falling. In the 30's, they had John M. Keynes, but today they don't have such messiah.Capitalism downfall is inevitable(probably 15-30 years from now), it will either fall through its' mindboggling institutions as was the case with Lehman Brothers, AIG; or through the people's revolution against its' parasitic exploitation; you should look no further than Greece,Spain, Britain, Portugal, Israel, and..WALL STREET. People just grew sick of it.
@TheTollundWoman When I say Israel, I mean Israeli people, I don't mean the extremist state that launches air raids on mostly unarmed civilians killing hundreds of their children (avoiding any misunderstanding, I consider Hamas as terrorist as Israel). I mean the working class, the people who gathered in Tel Aviv calling for more social justice, for a better health care, for less unemployment. From the Marxist perspective an Israeli proletarian is exactly equal to a Palestinian proletarian.
@Farkonnn Tear down thas Wall of segregation and fascism with the help of the world-people.. Accept Abbas and the Palestinian State as member of the UN, juist as Israel was accepted as member in past.
@TheTollundWoman Relating lack of freedom to socialism or communism is the ultimate example of western propaganda that brainwashed nations. Do you think that the mad bastard of North Korea is actually a communist? The scum is a psychopathic dictator. Have you ever considered Stalin as a communist? Well Communism, Socialism are the exact opposites of Stalinism. If you wanna really know what true Socialism is, go read some of the works of the GREAT Rosa Luxembourg. Hope I helped disillusion you :)
The "mad bastard" Kim Jong Il is every bit as Communist as Karl Marx. Until the late 1990s North Korea had come closer than any Communist state in the world to completely abolishing the free market and private property, and collectivizing (through state/party centralized ownership) every aspect of economic life (owning a garden was considered capitalist "egotism")
"Every provisional set-up after a revolution requires a dictatorship- and an *energetic dictatorship* at that." -Karl Marx
It was Lenin, not Stalin, who advocated a one-party state as the "revolutionary vanguard" and interpreted Marx's "dictatorship of the proletariat' to mean "dictatorship in the name of the proletariat by the revolutionary vanguard." North Korea has applied that theory for 60 years. and "Songun" (military first) is "war communism"
@TheTollundWoman When Marx pointed out that any revolution needs a 'dictatorship of the proletariat', he meant the dictatorship of the vast majority, the dictatorship of Tahrir Square not the dictatorship of a handful of contemptible executives controlling monstrous corporations alienating us -the people- from our very own loving, affectionate human nature. And btw, I am not a communist, I am a libertarian socialist.
The protests in Tahrir square were *against* dictatorship, to overthrow Mubarak, and the protesters' demands were democratic elections and an end to Mubarak's rule- not an end to capitalism or the implementation of socialism. his political party, the National "Democratic" Party, was affiliated with the Socialist International!! plus the protests were organized by young professionals and intellectuals- the same people Communists denounce and kill
@TheTollundWoman Sadly, you are not fully aware of what the Egyptian revolution was all about, its' slogan was bread..freedom..social justice; doesn't sound capitalist to me. The NDP was having neoliberalism written all over it, and it was all premeditated by his son Gamal. "Communists denounce and kill" apparently i wasn't clear enough, Again i am urging you to read the works of Rosa Luxemburg, Antonie Pannekoek, Noam Chomsky those are the actual socialists not the North Korean bastard.
Human nature is far more complex than that, human beings have noble, idealistic, decent qualities but there are other elements inherent in human nature as well- the same cruelty you find in the animal kingdom. You really think human nature is only corrupt because of the State or the Corporation? That if it weren't for capitalism humans could go back to being perfect "noble savages"?
This is what really scares me, when people start suggesting revolution can change human nature, as if the entire human race were a guinea pig to be experimented on by the bloody revolutionary vanguard.
@TheTollundWoman We are revolving in the same vicious cycle, TollundWoman you are again talking about goddamn Marxism-lenninism which is actually Stalinism. Haven't you heard of the concept of the spontaneity of the revolution? so, are you are just defending capitalism? tell me what do you think of the following stat; In 2010, the top 20% of Americans earned 49.4% of the nation's income. The top 1% account for 24% of all income. tell me what do you think of the Wall street protests?
I think the Wall Street protests are proof that capitalist democracy is one of the freest and most open in history. The sight of thousands of people peacefully protesting major corporations and/or their government is nothing less than freedom of speech and freedom of assembly in action. I sympathize with the protesters' outrage against the concentration of economic power in the hands of major corporations, to the detriment of small business owners, workers and ordinary people
I am defending the modified version of capitalism (regulated by a social welfare system and a democratic political structure) as the lesser of two evils against the only 2 large-scale alternatives- laissez-faire capitalism on the one hand, where corporations exploit and kill innocent people, and genocidal communism on the other hand, where dictatorships exploit and kill far more innocent people
I invite you to come to the Netherlands: under 1 condititon; That you will held 10 speeches to different important peer-groups on our health-, sociale-security and our Union-system. Of course in that frama you speak about critical matters.
And of course - how to deal and overcome!
accept this offer pleasel so can speak about it by live-experience!
I've been to the Netherlands (Amsterdam.) Beautiful country. What does this have to do with communism? Judging by the number of small businesses, cafes, tourist shops, bookshops, etc., the Netherlands are a great example of Capitalism at its best...
The concentration of power in the hands of an elite and the arbitrary use of that power to control the lives of ordinary people is ALWAYS dangerous. In a Communist system this takes the form of dictatorship and genocide. In modern America this concentration of power has manifested itself, albeit in a less deadly form, in the short-sighted, harmful policies of powerful corporations. (continued..
This situation (economic injustice that leaves millions of Americans in poverty) obviously needs to change, the question is *how* and through what methods it should be changed. I am advocating 1)creating an extensive social welfare system (like western europe) and 2)restoring govt. regulation of industry. This can only be accomplished through gradual, nonviolent change via the existing democratic political system. It must not be accomplished by brutal revolution.
I've never understood this about communists and socialists. Why do you refer to "The People" as if it were some monolithic, unanimous group, and as if "capitalists", "the bourgeiosie", intellectuals, and basically anyone else who disagrees with you are automatically excluded from "The People"? People who disagree with you are still People, and "The People" are not necessarily going to support your revolution.
Well your earlier commented ended with a hammer and sickle, the symbol that appears on the flag of the former Soviet Union as well as the flag of the People's Republic of China, both of which adhere(d) to Marxism-Leninism as their official ideology. So I assumed you were a Leninist, hence my comments focused in on Leninism. Sorry for the misunderstanding/mistake on my part
How many Communist political parties currently in existence adhere to the theories of Rosa Luxemburg? The vast majority of Communist movements around the world agree on the basic precepts of Leninism, including the concept of the revolutionary vanguard which is an inevitable justification for dictatorship. Luxemburg to her credit was very critical of the anti-democratic nature of the Leninist state.
We cannot judge capitalism by the writings of Milton Friedman, in which theoretically the free market creates a veritable utopia. Nor can we judge communism on the writings of Marx, or even on the writings of Rosa Luxemburg. Its extremely common for critics of capitalism to refer to the "worst case scenario"- extreme poverty, corporate exploitation, etc. Why should we not judge communism by the same harsh standard- by what it actually *is*, not on paper but in reality?
@TheTollundWoman Marxists who deal with the Soviet Union or China as 'Marxism-related' states are simply deluded, The Soviet Union and China are examples of the loathsome state capitalism. Concerning red 'hammer and sickle' banners; I'd rather consider them as a symblol for the working class than a symbol for the Soviet Union or the dictatorship in China. have you read about the 1871 commune de paris? That's Socialism.
So what you're saying is: real socialists should logically be opposed to any totalitarian dictatorship, even a nominally Marxist one, in the same way and to the same extent they oppose capitalism? If this is the case, why are there no socialist protests against Kim Jong Il or Hu Jintao? (but plenty of protests against Bush and Obama?)
@TheTollundWoman So at last, you have concluded what i have been trying to demonstrate for the past 3 days.Socialists not only oppose totalitarian dictatorships, they fiercely fight totalitarian dictatorships - isn't this what the whole idea of revolution is all about?!Socialism seeks the total emancipation of the working masses, the exploited masses;I can't really figure out how can any person-who actually knows the true meaning of socialism-relate socialism to dictatorship in any way possible.
So tell me: what are Socialists doing for the "total emancipation of the working masses" in North Korea? What about the "exploited masses" in China and Cuba? And why, in 1976, did you ignore the suffering of the "working masses" in Cambodia (Noam Chomsky claimed the genocide was an invention of the western media.)?
@TheTollundWoman Chomsky has long since retracted. North Korea has abandoned mentions of socialism in its constitution and China is a capitalist country.
well if North Korea isn't even socialist, why aren't socialists protesting the dictatorship there, the same way they protested the dictatorship of Pinochet???
@TheTollundWoman You can either take the easy route and see Stalin as a Marxist, or you can exert a little bit of effort to disenchant yourself from what the western propaganda was indoctrinating you for over 80 years, and at this point you will finally realise that Stalin was actually a fascist and that Che Guevara was the true Marxist.
why are there anti-israel photos on this? I agree with the emancipation of the working class, and freedom for all, but i am not in support of terrorist organisations like Hamas.
linktrivium 4 days ago
@linktrivium
Well in that case you neither support the zionists?
TheMohrsa 3 days ago
@TheMohrsa
i support neither side, simply those on both sides working for the common good for the working people.
However, that wall isn't to divide race/ rich or poor, it was to prevent terrorist attacks which it has done.
linktrivium 3 days ago
178 Wall Street 1% warlords in suit has watched this video.
RaptureandZune 5 days ago
the real curse of humanity is capitalism,fascism and imperialism.
bloodypanther450 6 days ago
FUCK COMMUNISM
THE CURSE OF HUMANITY
sasua741 1 week ago
@sasua741
A spectre is haunting saua741.
ignoranttwat 4 days ago
The Most Perfect Song in Human-History.
kedemdaniyela 1 week ago
such nice music gone to waste because of the lyrics, sigh
ramireze12 1 week ago
Stund up! people of 99％!!
marinepolaris 2 weeks ago 5
@marinepolaris
OCCUPY PYONGYANG
TheTollundWoman 1 week ago
and just to mention i am a marxist-leninist communist and support the idea of a centralist democracy
Bashyboyash 2 weeks ago
"this song should be named comrades united for thats what it is its the overthrow of this tribalistic idea that where we are from maters it the idea in a persons head not of his origin thats why i cant stand nationalists for socialism will unite the world in an everlasting union forget inequality. for socialism is the idea that were all equal and i support it whether people say it works or not for i know IT DOSE!!!!!!!!! "
Bashyboyash 2 weeks ago
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Americans! I'm from Russia. You know nothing of USSR and socialism. Sometimes I read comments with American video clips. I hate the prases like "USSR was a horrible prison" or "Stalin killed millions of innocents". You are brainwashed that you don't object to capitalist politic. Need proof? Read up my next comments to the end.
vserossiiskiiprotest 3 weeks ago
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Foreigners! You astonish me. I often communicate with people who lived in USSR. Almost all of them love Soviet Union - a light of socialism in the world! Other countries spread lies about us in order to you don't know the truth! You don't belive USSR was very amazing country. You think It's our propaganda. You think socialism is evil. No it isn't! I know the opinions of people who lived there. People were really happy. Don't listen to american propaganda, it's lying and lying
vserossiiskiiprotest 3 weeks ago
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You are so funny, americans. Money does not bring happiness. And it is pointless to live for private welfare. Capitalism is a stupid system that can destroy the Earth. We lived in the country and society free from false values, hate each other, greed and vulgarity. So the people lived in the USSR most often tell. Isn't it simple happiness to live so? Or do you like to turn into a pig? The majority voted for the Communist Party: izbircom2011.ru! Now, do you believe?
vserossiiskiiprotest 3 weeks ago
@SueStraka you seem to repeat only what you are told, try independent thinking. It's okay, go ahead and give it a go. Capitalism only makes us slaves, unlkie you I know that a truly free market requires REGULATION to keep it free. The conflict is Capitalists hate competition, but competition will eventually destroy them. BTW, unlike Billy Bragg, I am an Anarchist so I truly believe in DEMOCRACY and not in this buffoonish American system that benefits only the wealthiest.
PatheticHero 1 month ago
@SueStraka ... lady many learned people come to listen the internatioanle in youtube... so plz .. if have to say something.. say something that makes sense....
udit15121988 1 month ago
@SueStraka "The Capitalists will sell us the rope by which we will hang them". In other words, the greed, incompetence & short-sightedness of the top strata of society will inevitably create the conditions whereby an overthrow of the current system is made possible
Great left-wing leaders & thinkers such as Beveridge, Keynes & FDR. realized this, and favoured a social democratic, regulated mixed economy - one that has proven to be superior to laissez faire-capitalism, neoliberalism and stalinism
atosafi1 1 month ago 5
death to crapitalism!!!
end fascism now!
XxPhoenixHarpyexX2 1 month ago 4
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Сommentators-anticommunists are stupid degenerate who have been brainwashed with lies about USSR, Che Guevara and socialism. You know nothing of them. I'm from Russia. Sometimes I read comments with American video clips. I hate the prases like "USSR was a horrible prison" or "Stalin killed millions of innocents". You are brainwashed that you don't object to capitalist politic. Read my second comment.
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Foreigners! You astonish me. I often communicate with people who lived in USSR. Almost all of them love Soviet Union - a light of socialism in the world! Other countries spread lies about us in order to you don't know the truth! You don't belive USSR was very amazing country. You think It's our propaganda. You think socialism is evil. No it isn't! I know the opinions of people who lived there. People lived and were really happy. Don't listen to american propaganda, it's lying and lying
vserossiiskiiprotest 1 month ago
@SueStraka
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.. Just sit down and be quiet.. You have much to learn little lady..
jirvingnc 1 month ago
STOP SOPA AND PIPA NOW! STAND UP MY INTERNET BROTHERS AND SISTERS!
Ademis 1 month ago 3
It's ironic that from workers internationalism we are now protesting against internationalism when it takes the form of economic globalisation and multinational corporations which are now increasingly running the world rather than elected governments?
PhilipM9 1 month ago
@PhilipM9 Well its because one is based on democracy, equality and freedom, the other is based on corporate dictatorship and total control of the people.
dave19941000 1 month ago
Long live communism and socialism from Czech Republic
Lance01011 1 month ago 3
174 facists, tricked workers, and capitalist pigs have watched this vid
XXpunkrockwarlordXX 1 month ago 14
true communism has never been implemented in any country we have gotten to socialism but never communism. the reason is not because it is a bad system, but because of corrupt leaders and of course there cant be a communist nation when the rest of the world is capitalist. We should all strive to achieve our communist ideals every day.
THE INTERNATIONALE UNITS THE WORLD IN SONG!!!!!!
XXpunkrockwarlordXX 1 month ago
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Foreigners! You make me laugh. I often communicate with people who lived in USSR. We love Soviet Union - a light of socialism in the world! Capitalist countries spread lies about us that you don't know the truth! And you believe. You don't belive USSR was the most amazing country. You think It's our propaganda. You think socialism is evil. No it isn't! I know the opinions of people who lived there. We were really the happiest nation. Don't listen to american propaganda, it's lying and lying.
vserossiiskiiprotest 1 month ago
The song sounds amazing, the ideals, crazy.
TK8492 1 month ago
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Worst piece of crap I ever heard. I'd rather hear Justin Bieber any day than socialist crap!
AlexNOSAM 1 month ago
The only problem with "The Internationale" is that, like a Castro speech, it just goes on and on... and on... and on.
Furillac 2 months ago
each note of this song is equal at 1 million od dead .. think that reality
miduf 2 months ago
@miduf How so? You must be confusing socialism with something else entirely. Easy to do if you're a reactionary idiot.
WiggyWittgenstein 1 month ago
the best song ever written.
BuecherFuerAlle 2 months ago
We are the 99%...We Will Sing That Song Each Languages Which We Speak. And You 1%! You Will Listen Only A Voice...This is The Voice of the INTERNATONALE!!!!!
Happy New Year 99% !!! Happy New Year Brothers and Sisters Who Live All Over The World !
proleterboy17 2 months ago 3
@proleterboy17 *rises fist in agreement*
BuecherFuerAlle 2 months ago
@ NotoEUyestoDemocracy. The idea that greed will always exist has been proven wrong by the native american tribes. When we arrived they shared willingly, each member of the tribe taking only what they needed. They only became greedy when we forced them to greed. Our society made them greedy. It is correct that greed will always exist under capitalism but in a society collectively ran for the masses, sharing will be encouraged over greed. Over time it will wither and die
AlexanderGreywyn 2 months ago 2
Shut up TheTollundWoman have you got a job to do rather than doing all this on YouTube ? I have no job because I study in school .
TheKillknife9 2 months ago
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This song is brilliant.
ComradeMiller 2 months ago
This song is brilliant.
ComradeMiller 2 months ago
Today is my 42nd Birthday and I want everyone all over the world to play the Internationale.
odingreen 2 months ago 2
This sounds more like the theme song for the anarcho-capitalists really :D.
Finlandcitizen 2 months ago
Kim Jong Il is dead.
FREE NORTH KOREA
TheTollundWoman 2 months ago
"Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of society; all that it does is deprive him of the power to subjugate the labor of others by means of such appropriation". Karl Marx, Communist Manifesto. I find the question of private property to be pretty funny. What is it that the objectors want? An acre of land and a mansion? What is the purpose of having land besides to isolate yourself or disobey the rules of society privately?
Sydwayman 2 months ago 28
@Sydwayman
right on
kennykyle133 1 month ago
At best (if ever there was) the "game" is rigged by its own construction & practice. There's NO evidence of "surplus value" ever being less than theft, somewhere down the line, out of sight to those wearing blinders in shrinking comfort zones, blood sweat & tears of the world's long visible to those willing to look. The disenfranchised here (min. 7% required, LBJ admitted! discussing recession, not explaining why: to fill in, break strikes and, now, fuel a prison-industrial growth industry ©SGS
howlingsandy 2 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy And, ignoring the intrinsic irony of your having commented about me wanting the last word, thereby continuing the conversation, I wouldn't know about being proven wrong seeing as you have at no point done that. What I don't like is people thinking they've proven me wrong when all they've done is recite a list of tired right-wing platitudes that could have been taken straight out of a UKIP pamphlet.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - Capitalism is horribly broken. There are individuals sitting on enough money to feed a small country, there are miserable wage slaves working unbearable hours in terrible conditions who barely earn enough to eat for their whole lives, there are huge corporations motivated exclusively by profit exploiting millions of people and devastating the environment. The world is a plutocracy. People are alienated from each other and divided by consumerism.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@PuissantAlgernon Indeed comrade. Capitalism's own contradictions will destroy it, don't you see it happening? its crumbleing. People are waking up slowly to the reality that "Infinite Growth" does not exist. Thus we will triumph they will kick and scream but inebidably they are drowning and have no way to stay afloat. Borrowing money to stay afloat will only sink them further. So its a matter of time comrade.
KGBspartan4 2 months ago
@KGBspartan4
Communists have been predicting the collapse of capitalism since 1848. Capitalism has survived, while the Soviet Union and eastern bloc have collapsed and China, Vietnam and Cuba have all adapted elements of capitalism in order to survive. and North Korea has received $1 Billion in aid from the United States since 1995. Marx was wrong. and so are you, comrade.
TheTollundWoman 2 months ago
@TheTollundWoman And once again we have someone who doesn't understand the difference between what a government calls itself and its actual socioeconomic policies. Ironically, people who make this make this mistake tend to be the ones who claim to be the most distrustful of governments and discourage taking them at their word.
PuissantAlgernon 2 months ago
@PuissantAlgernon
You're saying North Korea is not an example of "true" Socialism? Great. So when will the Communist Party of Great Britain stop supporting it?
TheTollundWoman 2 months ago
@TheTollundWoman Soon, I should hope. Authoritarian regimes like North Korea and China do nothing but harm the cause of actual Marxism throughout the world.
PuissantAlgernon 2 months ago 2
@TheTollundWoman Capitalism has been failing slowly, but surely. Capitalism would not have been able to continue with an unregulated free-market, and as you may be able to see, the more we advance the more "socialist" reforms and regulations are implemented. Capitalism is on socialist life-support and will ultimately fail and be replaced with something very close to socialism. This is inevitable and is the reason the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital are still relevant.
Sydwayman 2 months ago 3
@Sydwayman
It is communism that is failing, not slowly but rapidly. There are only four nation-states in the world that still call themselves "communist"; three of them- Cuba, Vietnam and China- have begun widespread capitalist reforms to meet the basic needs of their citizens; the only other Communist state, North Korea, has received over $1 Billion dollars in aid from the capitalist "failing" US since 1995, and billions more from "failing" capitalist South Korea.
TheTollundWoman 2 months ago
@Sydwayman
The exact opposite is true: it is communism that is on capitalist life-support, with the "Workers" party depending on American and South Korean aid, and handouts from Japan and the EU. Korea will be reunited as a capitalist democracy. Das Kapital is irrelevant; I suggest you reread "the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen".
TheTollundWoman 2 months ago
@TheTollundWoman Fuck NK, if you knew one damn thing about communism you would know that post-Lenin USSR, and all other Stalin copycat regimes are NOT communist. Das Kapital is and will be relevant until capitalism is replaced.
Sydwayman 2 months ago
@TheTollundWoman
It is funny that you mention the Declaration of the Rights of Man snd Citizen, which explicitly condemn exploitation of a human being by another one, which is exactly capitalism do with corporations and banks. Thus, capitalist values violate the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen...
Tiberiansam 1 month ago
@Tiberiansam
Workers in capitalist societies have the legal right and political freedom to protect themselves from exploitation, they can form independent trade unions, go on strike for better pay and conditions,and sue corporations that violate labor laws. Whereas workers in communist states are denied the means to resist exploitation. During the so-called Chollima movement workers worked up to 16 hour days. Can you explain why there are no independent trade unions in the so-called DPRK?
TheTollundWoman 1 month ago
@TheTollundWoman
Yet, the average worker can barely defend his rights be it in court or by going on strikes simply because, in the first place, he need to be able to afford a good lawyer, which big businesses can easily afford to defend their interests unlike the average worker. In the second place, big businesses have lobbies working with police forces as well as governments to prevent strikes to even happen and that's when they even allow unions *cough* Wal-Mart *cough*.
Tiberiansam 1 month ago
@Tiberiansam
In a democratic society corporations are held accountable by workers (who have unions to represent their interests) and by an elected government (which has laws in place protecting workers' rights, guaranteeing safe conditions, equitable pay etc.) Under a dictatorship of any type, including a communist one, exploitation is accompanied by systematic terror so that people have no way of defending their own rights.
TheTollundWoman 1 month ago
To answer your question in the previous post, the reason why there isn't any independent trade union is simply because in socialist countries, the businesses themselves are under worker's control. In capitalism system, employees are simply given the illusion that they can do something to defend themselves as I showed in my previous answer.
Tiberiansam 1 month ago
@Tiberiansam In those so called "socialist" countries (Cuba, North Korea, USSR etc.) the businesses were actually run by party elite. If you want to see real socialism in action, look to Anarchism in Spain, Mexico, and Ukraine.
RadioFreeWisconsin 1 month ago 3
@RadioFreeWisconsin
I completely agree with you on that!
Tiberiansam 1 month ago
@TheTollundWoman
Let's not mistake totalitarism with communism since communism, the real one is which everyone share the ressources equally, according to their need, hasn't ever seen the day in any country.
Tiberiansam 1 month ago 6
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Firstly, in a communist system you wouldn't have bought something because there wouldn't be money but rather free exchange of labour. Secondly, in a capitalist system it would be very hard to build a house without exploiting people. Thirdly, what entitles you to the land on which the house is built? Fourthly and most importantly, people would want to share their 'property' with others because they aren't sociopaths and want others to thrive.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy You wouldn't privately own a home, but there would be laws against trespassing where someone else lives. People would have freedom and rights, but within reason. You can't just invade someone's home.
willydadog 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - As long as there is humanity there will always be anger and lust and the fear of outsiders, but that doesn't mean we should structure our society around legalised murder, rape and racism, does it?
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - There's no such thing as private ownership, no. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. It's a much more humane system, and based more in communal interests than selfishness and greed like capitalism. I also note that you think that Bill Gates (for example) works tens of thousands of times harder than an employee in a sweatshop doing a 16 hour day
And yes, Zimbabwe and Syria are horrible places. That's exactly the point. Try and keep up.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Of course bourgeois democracy has NEVER been taken over by dictators.
If it's being run by a single person it isn't communism, even if it claims it is. For exactly the same reasons that Germany in the 1930s, Burma prior to this year, and countries like Zimbabwe and Syria aren't democracies even though they say that they are.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - That sentence doesn't appear to make sense, possibly due to the characteristic dearth of punctuation. In any case, the whole point of Marxist communism is that no one person does have absolute power; the socialist state that exists in the transition between the bourgeois and communist phases is governed by elected committees of workers. Even one so flawed in his approach to communism as Lenin realised this and tried to stop Stalin from taking power after he died.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - Thanks for PMing me that 'definition' of Marxism you found on Yahoo! Answers. I note that it barely said anything about the actual political theory, instead coming out with such gems as "standard of living and freedom delivered by the free market" (i.e. sweatshops, international monpolies, corporations holding patents on lifesaving medicines...) and "'real communism' has been tried around 30 times", which completely misses the point of saying 'real' (Marxist) communism.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
oh god.... americans...
MrEddieLarge 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy I'm sure the world's historians would be very interested to see your thesis on how Stalinism is, in fact, the same as Marxism. You must have studied 'Das Kapital' and 'The German Ideology' in great detail. But no, seriously, do you even understand what the word 'Marxism' means?
And no, of course I'm not saying that we should operate under Sharia Law. Your lack of reading comprehension is showing. I used Egypt and Syria as examples of dictatorships claiming to be democratic.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
cover of the the European edition of TIME magazine?
revolutions all over the world
cover of the East Asian edition of TIME magazine?
revolutions all over the world
cover of the South Pacific edition of TIME magazine?
revolutions all over the world
cover of the U.S. edition of TIME magazine?
"How anxiety is good for you!"
painlessissuicide 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy And indeed even the countries you've been (falsely) saying I support, such as China, North Korea, Cuba and the USSR don't operate under Sharia Law either!
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Which countries with Sharia Law was I using to state how I'd like Europe's countries to behave? I'm not aware of having used any countries at all to state how I'd like others to behave; in fact I've stated at least six times that there is not nor has there ever been a country that has operated according to the system I advocate.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy China and North Korea aren't Marxist. Russia no longer even pretends to be. Your point is irrelevant.
Also what on earth does Sharia law have to do with Communism?
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy How can you say that Communism in the conditions anticipated and according to the principles laid down by Marx and Engels "all ends the same way" when such a society has never happened? I know Lenin and Trotsky WANTED a Marxist society, but USSR was never Marxist nor could it have been.
Incidentally for you, who has used nothing but the most belligerent language throughout this discussion, to tell me off for being insulting is the absolute pinnacle of hypocrisy.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy National identities are what cause wars. Truly you live a miserable existence if your sense of identity is based on the arbitrarily-defined chunk of land you happened to be born on. Also, I don't agree with the governmental system of the USSR. You make constant assertions to the contrary, but have not provided a scrap of evidence for it, so put up or shut up.
And whatever Barry Goldwater states, I haven't a shadow of a doubt that he says it better than you.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy
1. I don't know what 'conresending myself' is supposed to mean. But if the capacity to be co-opted by totalitarians is, as you suggest, a mark of a flawed ideology, then capitalist democracy is about as broken as it gets.
2. National identity is just a construct, a form of institutionalised tribalism. There's no intrinsic value to something merely because it's a tradition.
3. So what if lots of people agree with you? Argumentum ad populum.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago 53
lots of people may agree with NotoEUyestoDemocracy but the people who agree with him are idiots who dont know socialism/communism from there elbow where as around 75% of the worlds intulectuals agree with you and me
Bashyboyash 2 weeks ago 4
@Bashyboyash My favourite part about your comment is the irony in the fact that you spelled intellectual incorrecly :P
electusplurimum 1 week ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Also, there's no doubt that Lenin and Trotsky believed in Marxist principles, but that doesn't mean that the revolution they organised or the state they established worked according to those principles. For instance, Marx said that a proletarian revolution should occur in an industrialised society such as 1920s Germany. Russia at the time was almost totally agrarian with very poor infrastructure. I'm guessing you didn't do history at A-level... or GCSE, for that matter...
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy What a convincing argument you make for minarchism there. Of course you'd know if you'd put an iota of effort into researching that which you argue against you'd know that the Marxist model is based on the eventual absence of a formal 'state' as well, it's just that it recognises that a system in which the bourgeoisie are free to mercilessly exploit workers and hold them to ransom through wage slavery isn't freedom at all.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - Can you back up your assertion that Marxist communism is less free than libertarian capitalism?
Also, why do the opinions of 'most people' or 'those who fought and died in our name' matter? Field soldiers are just as capable of being wrong than anybody else. A point's validity is based on its logical coherence, not on who makes it.
Oh, and also - what does "freedom of speach [sic]" have to do with the argument?
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Just because you want small government, & your pals want small government, does not mean most want that. As with most things, most people don't really care, but would probably settle for some sort of compromise. I'm not arrogant enough to assume I speak for everyone, or the ideas I believe in are the ONE TRUE SOLUTION TO ALL ILLS. I just think that on balance, freedom is over-stated in our current system when all power (& media) lies in the hands of the 0.1%
forkboy84 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy There has never been a country that could be called communist according to Marxist principles, so your claim is totally unsubstantiated.
China, North Korea etc are state capitalist dictatorships which just happen to call themselves communist in order to pretend they're on the side of the people. This doesn't mean they ARE communist any more than Syria or Egypt calling themselves republics means that they're democratic.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - Are you actually reading any of my posts? Because none of what you've said has, at any point, addressed a single aspect of what I've been arguing.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy As we keep saying, those countries demonstrably do not conform to the principles outlined by Marx and Engels in their writing on communism. You OR them saying that they're communist doesn't change this.
And you're confusing 'brainwashed' with 'possessing an opinion based in facts'. Of you and I, which one has actually read the source material, and which one blindly believes the right-wing press and, ironically, the self-proclamations of the very governments you despise?
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - What alabamamanable said. The governmental system of the USSR had had very little in common with the one that Karl Marx proposed.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy But then, of course, there's the problem of using your rationale in reverse: Pinochet's Chile and Franco's Spain were capitalist countries, were they bastion's of freedom? How about the U.S. sponsored Greek junta of the 60's and 70's? You'd be better off not defining an ideology by any specific government or political party.
alabamamanable 3 months ago 24
@alabamamanable Though which politcal ideal, has had more dictatorships, that killed more people, that opressed rights even more then some other dictators did, Ex. Franco
I don't agree with fascist politics, he didn't kill people like Mao, Stalin, etc.
TK8492 1 month ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy Now see you've made the exact same mistake again confusing communism with communist political parties, though you may have been trying to reply to someone else instead of me (I didn't say anything about Europe, the mess it's in, or its relation to communism). You then said that China and North Korea are communist, but no thinking person can look at those countries and see workers' control of the means of production.
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@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - No, it is not Communism. That's exactly what we've been saying. You clearly have no idea what the ideological basis Communism is, so once again, I encourage you to read some Marx before you embarrass yourself further.
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
Down with all the ism's....up with dignity, freedom, justice, opportunity and PEACE
ITILII 3 months ago
@NotoEU I think you're confusing communist ideology with communist political parties. Just because a country is ruled by the "Communist Political Party" doesn't make it's economy communist. The people that saw Stalin's USSR and Mao's China, N. Korea, etc. as a "worker's paradise" made the same mistake as you. It's just like it being possible to have a Socialist Democratic Republic, but most of the countries calling themselves that are anything but socialist or democratic.
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@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - No, that's how Stalinism and Chinese-style Authoritarian Capitalism is. Communism as Marx described it has never been tried. Russia in particular fulfilled virtually none of the conditions that would have qualified it as being 'ready' for a proletarian revolution, most notably in the fact that less than 5% of its population at the time was proletarian. Learn some history, dear boy. HAVE you read any Karl Marx?
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - Because actual Communism doesn't involve the government controlling everything. Have you ever read Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto or indeed any works by Karl Marx at all?
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
The Internationale, anthem of the world!
darkpepijn 3 months ago
@NotoEUyestoDemocracy - What do you mean by 'two faced'?
PuissantAlgernon 3 months ago
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I love this song: because it is with human voices, not with arms.
It is also the reflection of truth one experience in once lives.
The time is ripe, the spirit is good and the ears and hearts are open!
The moment to be proud for your neighbour and yourselve for the next generations!
Don't get confused by the lobby by of the 1% of Wall Street; they will lead you to temptation of abuse!
PlusJean 3 months ago
C’est la lutte finale
Groupons-nous et demain
L’Internationale
Sera le genre humain ..............
d(^_^d)
inevergiveup1402 3 months ago
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☻/ Workers of the world unite!
/▌☭☆
/ \
SuperEzekial99 3 months ago
1:19 Somewhat ironic? :(
ShupaNaraic 3 months ago
I'm no communist but this is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.
archy9752 3 months ago
this should be sung at the occupy movements
allal231 3 months ago 20
@allal231 YES. OCCUPY AMERICA
relientj11 3 months ago
@allal231 we had Billy Bragg sing it *personally* for us at Occupy Leeds. Amazing performance from a great bloke ^_^
ancelstierre 3 months ago
Communism for the world!
dondanyi 3 months ago
What is so funny is that Neoconservatism was founded by Trotskyists!
NatDemUK 3 months ago
This song is perfect, combined by the slideshow (incredible selection of portraits and pictures, the timing, etc), it would be so much better if only the lyrics were displayed by usual subtitle, not that red futuristic one.
lukitoharipurwanto 3 months ago
Israel is most racist regime, build the wall and hatred in the name of secure!!!
TheHakim03 4 months ago
"Come greet the dawn and stand beside us"
peterpeterification 4 months ago
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People, here is a way to contribute to the revolution of mind taking place since 15-10-2011: comment on this song by naming a previous revolution in which people themselves decided to take control themselves and which we can take as an example/inspiration for the events now taking place all over the world. -> continued in next comment
sendanor 4 months ago in playlist Inspiration
@sendanor It will have 2 effects: we will take care that these forgotten revolutions in their own way will be remembered and prevent them from being silenced by certain repressive authorities, and it will trigger people all over the world to think and thereby to contribute/get inspired themselves to act in their own way. Ready? OK, see the following comment for the precise example and start commenting/replying to it: -> continued in next comment
sendanor 4 months ago in playlist Inspiration
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@sendanor Respect for the people massacred on Tiananmen Square, Peking 1989! Their memory will not be forgotten – they inspired me to be the change! OK people, next comment and keep it going on endlessly – your words will inspire things you haven’t even dreamed of! But keep it constructive, no pleas for violence, verbal butchering etc. – show the world we can do it otherwise than the war-like mongering of the old world.
sendanor 4 months ago in playlist Inspiration
The dirty little secret is that capitalism can't work without exploitation or socialistic regulation. Alabama farmers stupidly passed a law to attack illegals and those who hire illegals. Now to get their crops harvested they have to hire Americans who won't work for near slave labor wages. But raising wages prices them out of the world market. Welcome you tea partyers to the real world of capitalism.
nyarvideo 4 months ago 23
I love this song: because it is with human voices, not with arms.
It is also the reflection of truth one experience in once lives.
The time is ripe, the spirit is good and the ears and hearts are open!
The moment to be proud for your neighbour and yourselve for the next generations!
PlusJean 4 months ago
it is up to this movement to organise and guide progressive forces using all the popular organs which grow spontaneously, ardent crucibles in which the revolutionary masses are melted, not for the drawing up of plebiscites, but rather waiting to be guided.
PlusJean 4 months ago
DEATH TO THIS SONG ALL HAIL CAPITALISM! COMMUNISM WOULD RESULT IN DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD. OCCUPATION OF WALL STREET IS FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS THE MULTIBILLIONAIRE WHO IS WANTING TO EXPLOIT THE PEOPLE INTO BREAKING WALL STREET IN ORDER TO PROFIT FROM IT JUST LIKE HE DID IN ENGLAND AND FRANCE, HE EXPLOITS THE WORKERS AND BUSINESSES FOR HIS OWN PROFIT FUCK ALL THE IGNORANT FUCKS WHO ARE SERVING HIM FUCK COMMUNISM. ALL HAIL CAPITALISM AND GOD BLESS AMERICA.
RokkerBoyy 4 months ago
@RokkerBoyy go to a psych and show your shooting video
PlusJean 4 months ago
@PlusJean show me one setting in which capitalism or socialism has or will work just one. and it has to be possible nothing insane like "making everyone in the world not be greedy"
RokkerBoyy 4 months ago
WE ARE THE 99%..Capitalism you're going down ☭
Farkonnn 4 months ago 2
@Farkonnn
Communists have been predicting the end of capitalism since 1848- and they've been consistently wrong! Capitalism has survived every financial crisis since the Industrial Revolution; communism has COLLAPSED due to the crises it caused. Communism is history, freedom is the future, and WE ARE THE 99% who are NOT PARTY MEMBERS
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman Capitalism keeps surviving by keeping falling. In the 30's, they had John M. Keynes, but today they don't have such messiah.Capitalism downfall is inevitable(probably 15-30 years from now), it will either fall through its' mindboggling institutions as was the case with Lehman Brothers, AIG; or through the people's revolution against its' parasitic exploitation; you should look no further than Greece,Spain, Britain, Portugal, Israel, and..WALL STREET. People just grew sick of it.
Farkonnn 4 months ago 2
@Farkonnn
Israel? Now Communists recognize Israel? when did that happen?
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman When I say Israel, I mean Israeli people, I don't mean the extremist state that launches air raids on mostly unarmed civilians killing hundreds of their children (avoiding any misunderstanding, I consider Hamas as terrorist as Israel). I mean the working class, the people who gathered in Tel Aviv calling for more social justice, for a better health care, for less unemployment. From the Marxist perspective an Israeli proletarian is exactly equal to a Palestinian proletarian.
Farkonnn 4 months ago
@Farkonnn Tear down thas Wall of segregation and fascism with the help of the world-people.. Accept Abbas and the Palestinian State as member of the UN, juist as Israel was accepted as member in past.
PlusJean 4 months ago
@PlusJean
Tear down the DMZ
f*** communism
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman Relating lack of freedom to socialism or communism is the ultimate example of western propaganda that brainwashed nations. Do you think that the mad bastard of North Korea is actually a communist? The scum is a psychopathic dictator. Have you ever considered Stalin as a communist? Well Communism, Socialism are the exact opposites of Stalinism. If you wanna really know what true Socialism is, go read some of the works of the GREAT Rosa Luxembourg. Hope I helped disillusion you :)
Farkonnn 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
The "mad bastard" Kim Jong Il is every bit as Communist as Karl Marx. Until the late 1990s North Korea had come closer than any Communist state in the world to completely abolishing the free market and private property, and collectivizing (through state/party centralized ownership) every aspect of economic life (owning a garden was considered capitalist "egotism")
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
"Every provisional set-up after a revolution requires a dictatorship- and an *energetic dictatorship* at that." -Karl Marx
It was Lenin, not Stalin, who advocated a one-party state as the "revolutionary vanguard" and interpreted Marx's "dictatorship of the proletariat' to mean "dictatorship in the name of the proletariat by the revolutionary vanguard." North Korea has applied that theory for 60 years. and "Songun" (military first) is "war communism"
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman When Marx pointed out that any revolution needs a 'dictatorship of the proletariat', he meant the dictatorship of the vast majority, the dictatorship of Tahrir Square not the dictatorship of a handful of contemptible executives controlling monstrous corporations alienating us -the people- from our very own loving, affectionate human nature. And btw, I am not a communist, I am a libertarian socialist.
Farkonnn 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
The protests in Tahrir square were *against* dictatorship, to overthrow Mubarak, and the protesters' demands were democratic elections and an end to Mubarak's rule- not an end to capitalism or the implementation of socialism. his political party, the National "Democratic" Party, was affiliated with the Socialist International!! plus the protests were organized by young professionals and intellectuals- the same people Communists denounce and kill
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman Sadly, you are not fully aware of what the Egyptian revolution was all about, its' slogan was bread..freedom..social justice; doesn't sound capitalist to me. The NDP was having neoliberalism written all over it, and it was all premeditated by his son Gamal. "Communists denounce and kill" apparently i wasn't clear enough, Again i am urging you to read the works of Rosa Luxemburg, Antonie Pannekoek, Noam Chomsky those are the actual socialists not the North Korean bastard.
Farkonnn 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
Human nature is far more complex than that, human beings have noble, idealistic, decent qualities but there are other elements inherent in human nature as well- the same cruelty you find in the animal kingdom. You really think human nature is only corrupt because of the State or the Corporation? That if it weren't for capitalism humans could go back to being perfect "noble savages"?
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
This is what really scares me, when people start suggesting revolution can change human nature, as if the entire human race were a guinea pig to be experimented on by the bloody revolutionary vanguard.
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman We are revolving in the same vicious cycle, TollundWoman you are again talking about goddamn Marxism-lenninism which is actually Stalinism. Haven't you heard of the concept of the spontaneity of the revolution? so, are you are just defending capitalism? tell me what do you think of the following stat; In 2010, the top 20% of Americans earned 49.4% of the nation's income. The top 1% account for 24% of all income. tell me what do you think of the Wall street protests?
Farkonnn 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
I think the Wall Street protests are proof that capitalist democracy is one of the freest and most open in history. The sight of thousands of people peacefully protesting major corporations and/or their government is nothing less than freedom of speech and freedom of assembly in action. I sympathize with the protesters' outrage against the concentration of economic power in the hands of major corporations, to the detriment of small business owners, workers and ordinary people
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
I am defending the modified version of capitalism (regulated by a social welfare system and a democratic political structure) as the lesser of two evils against the only 2 large-scale alternatives- laissez-faire capitalism on the one hand, where corporations exploit and kill innocent people, and genocidal communism on the other hand, where dictatorships exploit and kill far more innocent people
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman
I don't know where you live/
I invite you to come to the Netherlands: under 1 condititon; That you will held 10 speeches to different important peer-groups on our health-, sociale-security and our Union-system. Of course in that frama you speak about critical matters.
And of course - how to deal and overcome!
accept this offer pleasel so can speak about it by live-experience!
PlusJean 4 months ago
@PlusJean
I've been to the Netherlands (Amsterdam.) Beautiful country. What does this have to do with communism? Judging by the number of small businesses, cafes, tourist shops, bookshops, etc., the Netherlands are a great example of Capitalism at its best...
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
The concentration of power in the hands of an elite and the arbitrary use of that power to control the lives of ordinary people is ALWAYS dangerous. In a Communist system this takes the form of dictatorship and genocide. In modern America this concentration of power has manifested itself, albeit in a less deadly form, in the short-sighted, harmful policies of powerful corporations. (continued..
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
This situation (economic injustice that leaves millions of Americans in poverty) obviously needs to change, the question is *how* and through what methods it should be changed. I am advocating 1)creating an extensive social welfare system (like western europe) and 2)restoring govt. regulation of industry. This can only be accomplished through gradual, nonviolent change via the existing democratic political system. It must not be accomplished by brutal revolution.
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
I've never understood this about communists and socialists. Why do you refer to "The People" as if it were some monolithic, unanimous group, and as if "capitalists", "the bourgeiosie", intellectuals, and basically anyone else who disagrees with you are automatically excluded from "The People"? People who disagree with you are still People, and "The People" are not necessarily going to support your revolution.
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
Well your earlier commented ended with a hammer and sickle, the symbol that appears on the flag of the former Soviet Union as well as the flag of the People's Republic of China, both of which adhere(d) to Marxism-Leninism as their official ideology. So I assumed you were a Leninist, hence my comments focused in on Leninism. Sorry for the misunderstanding/mistake on my part
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
How many Communist political parties currently in existence adhere to the theories of Rosa Luxemburg? The vast majority of Communist movements around the world agree on the basic precepts of Leninism, including the concept of the revolutionary vanguard which is an inevitable justification for dictatorship. Luxemburg to her credit was very critical of the anti-democratic nature of the Leninist state.
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
We cannot judge capitalism by the writings of Milton Friedman, in which theoretically the free market creates a veritable utopia. Nor can we judge communism on the writings of Marx, or even on the writings of Rosa Luxemburg. Its extremely common for critics of capitalism to refer to the "worst case scenario"- extreme poverty, corporate exploitation, etc. Why should we not judge communism by the same harsh standard- by what it actually *is*, not on paper but in reality?
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
sorry that was supposed to say "the Communist party of China', which uses the hammer and sickle on its flag,i was not referring to the PRC flag.
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman Marxists who deal with the Soviet Union or China as 'Marxism-related' states are simply deluded, The Soviet Union and China are examples of the loathsome state capitalism. Concerning red 'hammer and sickle' banners; I'd rather consider them as a symblol for the working class than a symbol for the Soviet Union or the dictatorship in China. have you read about the 1871 commune de paris? That's Socialism.
Farkonnn 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
So what you're saying is: real socialists should logically be opposed to any totalitarian dictatorship, even a nominally Marxist one, in the same way and to the same extent they oppose capitalism? If this is the case, why are there no socialist protests against Kim Jong Il or Hu Jintao? (but plenty of protests against Bush and Obama?)
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman So at last, you have concluded what i have been trying to demonstrate for the past 3 days.Socialists not only oppose totalitarian dictatorships, they fiercely fight totalitarian dictatorships - isn't this what the whole idea of revolution is all about?!Socialism seeks the total emancipation of the working masses, the exploited masses;I can't really figure out how can any person-who actually knows the true meaning of socialism-relate socialism to dictatorship in any way possible.
Farkonnn 4 months ago
@Farkonnn
So tell me: what are Socialists doing for the "total emancipation of the working masses" in North Korea? What about the "exploited masses" in China and Cuba? And why, in 1976, did you ignore the suffering of the "working masses" in Cambodia (Noam Chomsky claimed the genocide was an invention of the western media.)?
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman Chomsky has long since retracted. North Korea has abandoned mentions of socialism in its constitution and China is a capitalist country.
agnosticnixie 4 months ago
@agnosticnixie
Chomsky has retracted? can you cite the article or interview?
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@agnosticnixie
well if North Korea isn't even socialist, why aren't socialists protesting the dictatorship there, the same way they protested the dictatorship of Pinochet???
TheTollundWoman 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman because socialists are not suckers of bourgeois propaganda.
ddancerable 4 months ago
@TheTollundWoman You can either take the easy route and see Stalin as a Marxist, or you can exert a little bit of effort to disenchant yourself from what the western propaganda was indoctrinating you for over 80 years, and at this point you will finally realise that Stalin was actually a fascist and that Che Guevara was the true Marxist.
Farkonnn 4 months ago