Re: UF Police Taser Student During Kerry Forum (18 Sep Vlog)

[jimbrenner]

There wasn't a suppression of free speech, he had his chance to ask but there were other people there too. He was tased not because of his questions. He resisted and acted like a child. They had every right to tase his ass!

[t4705mb6]

It was obvious that they wanted him to shut up. He had the right to be heard. Period. He was asking a question that, if answered, would have exposed corruption. Your leanings seem to be a bit obvious in your comment, that you actively support the new neocon fascism. But....why???

[raoulduke612]

wtf? b4 he even finished asking his first question they tried to move him away. as this was a forum for questions, he had every right to ask those questions and the police moved him away. obviously he was passionate and in the moment and somwot resisted arrest but they had no right to arrest him. even at the end with 6 cops on the 1 kid, there was absolutely no reason they had to tase him. physical overpowerment wuld hav easily done the job. this is ridiculous. freedom of speech!

[ooglebydoogleby]

ime definatly not a fan of islam or christianity for that matter but the question has to be asked, how america can profess freedom and democracy and claim the moral secular high ground and yet taser an animated protesting kid. we're living in dangerous times.

[ForzaUltra]

ACtually. Iceland > Canada :)

im in canada, and things arent as bad as the us, but we are DAMN near close.

[elroy2112]

the democrats take advantage of the young gullible kids and get them all rilled up over election year conspiracies and promise them Impeachment of Bush etc.. Then some kid who doesnt get the fact it was just an election year game and takes dems at there word, speaks up and gets tazed . So Sad the demonrats the party that preys on the stupid

[phoenixshade3]

If you think that the 2000 Florida shit was an election year game, you are truly ignorant.

If you think the introduction of paperless, unverifiable voting machines in 2004 was an election year game, you are hopelessly idiotic.

If you think two stolen elections are acceptable in a democracy, REGARDLESS OF WHICH CANDIDATE YOU VOTED FOR, you are the REASON that democracy will fall in this country.

It IS a conspiracy— by the neocons in power.

[elroy2112]

Ok Relax , everythings going to be Ok young

man . Yes everyones an idiot that doesnt understand the evil sinister Bush crime family planned 911 , and stole 2 elections and the democrats couldnt find enough evidence for any of these events for the courts to take it seriously enough for a trial

everythings gonna be ok pheonix ,heres your

medication. ((( somebody call kerry and tell him to bring the taser , we gotta another live one ))

[phoenixshade3]

Umm, the courts put a STOP to the Florida recount in 2000, if you recall. Funny how you want to rewrite history...

And there is plenty of evidence for tampering in Ohio in 2004. Look for the Clinton Curtis testimony on election hacking, and on how easily done this is with paper-free machines. Not to mention the well-documented "mysterious" shortage of voting machines in Democratic districts.

I don't ever recall making that claim about 9/11. Please, point out where I did so.

[RationalByChoice]

I know this is old now, but have you read "Impeach the President" by Dennis Loo? Chapter 2 - entitled "Never Elected, Not Once" - mind-boggling information about those stolen elections. Disturbing, disgusting - and actually not surprising at all.

[phoenixshade3]

Unfortunately, theirs is not the only side with suspicious election results. There is mounting evidence that the Clinton campaign has pulled some of the same strings as the Bush family in order to assure that she gets the nom. (For example, the NH irregularities.) Then, of course, there's her current effort to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates, despite the fact that all candidates agreed these delegates would not be seated if they ran their primaries early.

[1787patriot]

Please consider Ron Pau; 2008...He is Honest to a fault..and you always know where he stands..He Gives us all The Liberty The constitution allocates to us...He is By Far The best choice avalible..How many more time do you think we will have a choice..the way thing are going..Please keep thinking..It Is OUR countries only Hope..

"Peace whenever possible, Anythin Is."

Medley

[NikLotus84]

Thank you so much for the thoughtful analysis and all the great links!

This is a really sad and scary time for this country.

Canada is looking better every day.

Also, I don't think you're a "pinko commie" at all - you just have an understanding of how fucked up our society is and how a LOT of things need to be done before it's even close to improving.

I adore the quotes.

[NikLotus84]

"People shouldn't be afraid of their governments; governments should be afraid of their people."

-V, "V For Vendetta"

[phoenixshade3]

Thanks. And it is pretty scary. People need to get off of their asses and TAKE BACK our rights, before it's too late.

"Canada is looking better every day."

Personally, I'm thinking Sweden...

[NikLotus84]

Yknow, I'm actually thinking of Greece or Australia, but given my funds right now, not sure how plausible that is.

[BobbieandSteveDooley]

Well get the fuck out then, you will not be missed!

[everythingells]

thank you for being intelagent. good work

[SagaraSouske]

finally an intellegent analyzation of this event

[fengineer08]

watch?v=lCo_DzPP3p8

[fengineer08]

your an idiot.

[HassanNinkin]

Amen, brother. Although I may not agree with the idea that America needs socialism, I have no problem with you wanting it. I'd prefer a small Libertarian government where the citizen's rights are more important than the government's policies, but it won't happen in America.

[ddiribsa]

well said bro, well said. u r one of well spoken person i've ever listen to.

[desuhue]

A university isn't public property. They tried to escort him out and he resisted. I don't see what the fuck everyone is rampaging over.

[Vesta20]

Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.

[GrandeWizard]

It wasn't unlawful arrest, Vesta. Get a clue. Disrupting a public event. Then, he resisted arrest.

[slackaction]

you did a great job, really well thought out

I understand it's hard not to get off a specific point when talking about this incident, it is all connected and really has to do with freedom, being free, not just the illusion of freedom. I loved the quotes, thanks for the vid

[braija]

The essence of democracy is that _Everyone_ has essential equal and sacred rights.

But when we have institutions, such as the police, whom with the governments blessing have _Exceptional_ rights to control the civilian citizens by violence and imprisonment, this can hardly be considered democratic...

[crasmane]

Political conflict is more descriptive than political spectrum.

[savantrader]

wow! thanks for the information.  very informative and you put alot into making this a worthwhile video to watch! peace to all liberty-loving Americans, including yourself.

God bless!

[saintfletcher]

Bush correctly said that the constitution is just a piece of paper which is why he hasn't followed it for years. Look if you want to live a lie in a police state, stay asleep. Otherwise, you may as well just admit. America, Australia and other former free countries are now dictatorships. The rest is a mockery to itself. Impeach the impostor or lose democracy. Even Kerry is really scary now. What is America now? +++ The Saint +++

[Samuraiflip05]

You and everyone else who support this kid are just helping a attention whore get his wish. He wasn't being silenced for what he asked, but removed for his failure to follow the established forum guidelines. His failure to comply with officers is why he was arrested. His resisting arrest is why he was tasered. Very simple, no conspiracy theory here.

[phoenixshade3]

You must be dumb or blind or both. WHY WAS HE BEING ARRESTED IN THE FIRST CASE? A Federal Court has determined that an illegal arrest (which this clearly was) is an ASSAULT, and that when being falsely arrested, you have the SAME RIGHTS of self-defense that you have in any other ASSAULT.

[GrandeWizard]

He was ejected, phoenix, for saying "blowjob" ... language the University deemed to be inappropriate. Whether you agree or not, is not the point. It's their University, so their rules on what they deem to be professional or unprofessional. This is as clear as day in the footage.

[GretnaBlast]

So you have to watch your mouth at universities now? I don't see how that lessens the tasing's absurdity, especially if it was just about one single word, why not just whisper to him, "please don't use that kind of language" instead of, "we're kicking you out," ? So he resisted arrest--he was being arrested for saying "blowjob" or for not leaving quietly after saying "blowjob," ? Seems stupid either way.

[GrandeWizard]

He was ejected for saying blowjob, not arrested for it. When he said it, he was considered to be trespassing by the University. That's their call. Their forum, so it's their rules. He turned into a nut on the way out, which got him arrested for Disrupting a Public Event. He resisted arrest, despite being warned at least 5 times to STOP RESISTING or he would be tased. He ignored them blatantly, so he was tased.

[freeyourmind4evr]

That's complete bullshit. They cut off his mic off right after he asked the question about skull and bones. When he said blowjob they did nothing.

[GrandeWizard]

The man in the suit turned his head to look for the audio guy when "Blowjob" was said. Skull and Bones was not out of Meyer's mouth when the man turned his head to look for the audio guy. Tell the truth, freeyourmind4evr.

[GrandeWizard]

Watch the man in the suit behind Meyer as soon as Meyer says it. He turns his head to tell the audio guy to cut the mic. Then, he carried on like a lunatic on the way out, which was disrupting a public event. Clear as day. No spin is necessary.

[77GOG]

It's amazinz the police did that.

It's more amazing that no one tried to help the young man.

It's most amazing that John Kerry was sedated. Come on, man, take a coffe or two every now and then!

But what's really tasering is that people, after having seen the videos lots of time, still find the police had a reason to do that!

Either he was rude - that's no reason to be arrested - or he needed to be subdued - when at least 2 cops where over him.

[Paul186]

That's one of my fave Voltaire quotes, oddly the cat was a leading anti-Semitic. Re: this incident... It was good for me to see that Kerry was playing a "I don't see what's going on" pathetic game. It will hurt him big time. Why people don't trust politicians? Very self serving. How can a public servant be secretive about his associations? Sounds the epitome of a lack of dedication to the American people by being transparent. He's fucked.

[Paul186]

I like your post..a bit pedantic.

Das okay. Good insights. I'm wondering what's

changed (a former college student once running

from cops tear-gassing People's Park protesters). The 9-5 working stiff doesn't have the advantage of analyzing the world

as a college student-it's worse than ever:

more brain washable. The internet helps to

balance the equation. Good Post.

[Pyromonkey725]

Woah, what a deep and insightful comment.

[cradlewillfall]

Meyer was handcuffed and on the ground before they tasered him. It seems to me that five officers should be able to handle the situation without resorting to violence. Meyers human rights were violated, plain and simple.

[splinter02331]

it had little to do with what he was asking but how he was asking it. its very obvious that even before anyone put hands on him that they asked him to calm down. the taser only had to be used when he was repeatedly asked to calm down and he refused.

He clearly had an agenda to verbally attack Kerry at a peaceful gathering and it backfired.

[wise42j]

Thank you for this response--five stars. I hope Andrew sues the University, and campus police. This is the most aggregious assault on freedom of speech I've seen in our so-called democratic nation-state. Americans had better wake up--this is the fascist state we've allowed to take hold in this country.

[JediofIslam]

like alex jones says, POLICE STATE!

[cpad1992]

Ah, enlightenment.

[msindependent09]

He indeed was resisting arrest, however, the student was not a threat or by any means needing to be arrested. A taser powered on a small 9 volt battery has the ability to take a person down with little effort. What was shown in the video was a clear example of the political and social corruption that our country faces. I am seriously concerned with the psychological and sociological health of our nation.

By the way, you incorrectly spelled, duschebag, douche-bag.

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[tkfergy1229]

i don't want to go into how much i disagree with you on what your talking about. but this duschebag got tased because he was resisting arrest

[ALICEONACID]

Well he got taserd for good reason, he was resisting arrest, now if he would have just been escorted out the way the first time it wouldnt have escalated the way that it did. Now what I dont agree with is the reason for arrest, it was completly unlawful. So I dont agree with the arrest, but it did escalate to the point of taser.

[77GOG]

ALICEONACID, you really are on acid!

If the arrest is unlawfull, then the guy had the right to resist!

Such resistence would be legal, and the force opposed to such legal resistance...

unlawful!

[zhall101]

rock on brother. very informative. i agree with everything you said.

[chachalaca777]

hear hear!! 5*

[klyffjohnson]

From a UF student:

The group that brought Kerry to UF (ACCENT) has very strick rules for Q&As. The part that got cut out of alot of clips was the fact that he used the word blowjob. It was at that point his mic got cut off, but instead of leaving the stand he continued talking (by projecting his voice). It was ACCENT, not Kerry, who asked the police to remove him (because he broke their rules). It has NOTHING to do with the questions he asked, but the words he used while asking them.

[VonHelton]

The police didn't intervene until he mentioned Skull & Bones, a secret society. Then the police grabbed him & killed the mic.

:/

[Whitewolf2x4]

i subscibed :)

[kziin]

You have framed the issue very well. He was in an open political forum speaking to a career politician and former candidate for the Presidency. The fact is that that he asked some very incisive and provocative questions in the 1:34 time he spoke. This is precisely the speech protected by the Constitution. There is no requirement for politeness. I want to hear the answer to the questions.

[Barklord]

Subscribed! Great video.

[WhiteDragon103]

The system is down! You're being lied to! Tear down your idols!

[zappafan69]

Oh crap, and I was SO looking forward to Mr. Phoenixshade3's opinion about nested heiarchies. Damn, now I'll have to wait another whole day to find out. I wish that idiot hadn't asked about Skull and Bones. He was doing so well until he brought that up.