pff religion "god's great" ? No. there is war, world hunger, etc if there ewer was a god he/she left us a long time ago. (oh and most wars are about religion or money) so think about that for a second net time you say praise the lord. (btw im not satanist just sceptic to what what pepole say is good)
Man, this really reveals how screwed up religion is. First Carl Sagan, one of the greatest heroes of our time, fostering joy and curiosity about the world in these children and truly leading them down the path of light. Then contrasted with the terrifying Jesus Camp, where children are indoctrinated and brainwashed and led down the path of darkness. Sagan teaches through compassion and understanding of the child's mind, while the Jesus Camp "teaches" through terror and fear mongering. Truly sad.
that jesus camp is so wrong, what they were doing to the kids there is how they get people to blow themselves up in the name of "so and so" i can imagine this is exactly how they get people to do things like 9/11. telling kids 'this is war' is so so wrong, someone should tell that woman to stop going throught the mcdonalds drive thru the fat bitch
As a kid, i grew up with my dad, being a college graduate, encouraging my love in science. my mom, a highschool graduate, always yelled at me for liking science more than religion..I dont like religion because it has no back up. if i say "i made a marble" a religious person would say a god made it. no questions asked. a scientist would tell you how,when,and who made it...
science make children want to learn and be curious about the world we live in, religion make children cry,be more violent, and hate anyone who oppose christianity.......... remember children will run the world when we are old and retired. what kind of world do you want to leave behind?
Gives me hope to see positive views on such videos and negative in others that enforce things rather than teach or question or simply express with rationality... At least the world is changing in youtube :)
"Ah the christian Bible; that convenient absolute authority in maintaining the self-aggrandizing, self-blessedness of American belligerence, venality and assholery." - Harold Harcourt
He enlightened that little girl when he taught - didn't tell - taught and explained to her how she is a part of the Milky Way Galaxy. What a beautiful moment.
The kids in the Sagan class were actively learning about their world (and, therefore, themselves), the kids in Jesus Camp were being manipulated and reacting with hatred and violence to big words they didn't understand by rote. This kids in Sagan's class were having such a positive experience of growth - just look at them. The Jesus Camp kids were being stunted by an experience that was very, very negative - just look at them.
Fuck, I was set on the mood after watching how well Sagan intereacted with the children and giving them chances to question themselves. After the Jesus camp came, well... Poisoning of the mind.
Can you see the enlightened look in the eyes of those beautiful kids. Now, compare the two. It looks as if the children are now full of hate, anger and fear.. Damn shame!
Infinite wisdom of Carl Sagon vs The crazy psycho bitch who would only mention McDonalds due to the likelihood she has expertise on McDonalds from eating there every hour of the day based on her planet sized mass. It's no contest, Sagon wins by a landslide.
@KamasutraButterfly Actually, it has. We fly to Mars. Christians believe the earth was created for them. They have to stay on earth. Have mars parties on mars. Without christians.
"This means War!" We can only hope that these warmongers can be stopped, removed from society, and their movement recognized for what it is, an attempt to establish tyranny and stultify minds.
The difference between inspiring a child to learn and ask question and inspiring a child to HATE and FEAR. Christianity suck the life out of children.
@thescorpionking2020 This isn't religion. They call themselves religious, but I know of no 'cup-breaking' ritual in any reigion christian or otherwise, nor is the type of Christianty they represent similar to any I can think of. Some people are crazy about their religion. These guys are... I guess religious about their mental health problems. This is not religion. If they are members of a church, which church is that?
ABSURD VIDEO. TheReality21 has chosen the most amazing science teacher anybody could wish for and then contrasted that with the craziest religion teacher I've ever seen. It's more like a class on religious politics than religion and the 'cup-breaking' stuff is more like a ritual than a lesson at all. This is not the reality. Is TheReality21 a heretic for posting this video? No, he's just being stupid, because this is equally not science, it's politics. A shameful disregard distortion of truth.
@RyanDemaree The Chinese Communist revolutionaries had schools like this, and taught atheism with the same fervour. The result wasn't that the kids grasp of astronomy or evolution was a bit dodgy. 45 million people died. No Bibles required.
@RyanDemaree The history of the church and science was never reducible to dogma and suppression of knowledge. At times, the church held back knowledge, but at other times it preserved it and nurtured it. Try Youtubing... John Lennox - The "Religion vs Science" Myth. He lays it out very clearly, The whole 'religion bad / science good' position is impossible to sustain in the face of evidence. That and the fact that the scientific community has also has dogma and suppression of knowledge.
@RyanDemaree 5,000 years? Is that a science? Instead of throwing rocks, let’s be scientific and look at evidence. We had religion at least 30,000 years, during which things slowly sophisticated. No civilisation managed without religion. None. We had 200 years of modern science and between global warming, fossil fuel exhaustion, nuclear waste and nuclear war, we’ll be lucky to avoid mass extinction. More technology won’t change this trend. Only better values. And science does facts, not values.
@leconfidant -Ok, somehow I knew you were gonna be a literalist in regards to the 5K religion statement. SURE, we have had fables and archetypes since the dawn of modern sapiens 30K yrs ago, but in a modern world where we are sending robots to other planets, peering into the reaches of the universe and uncovering our ancestors bones dating millions of years back in time, id say its safe to say that suicidal carpenters, magic lamps and hokus pokus is irrelevant by this point.
@RyanDemaree No, I knew 5K was arbitrary, but I'd rather have a constructive dialogue than fire exagerations around. Science is amazing, but not if you're, say, suicidal or in a war or addicted to drugs. The ability to do science or even appreciate it requires people who are fairly positive, reasonably at peace and pretty focused on common purpose. Religion is the attempt to provide the software for that. Most of it it's substance isn't myths, but ethics and values which remain after technology.
@leconfidant -Sure, we dont know eerything about the universe or life itself and oftn make our own fillers to makeup for what we dont already know, but at the same time we also only base these "filler ideas" on what we DO know and what we have seen and proven. So in that sense you could say religion still persists in science, sure, w/e. But my complaint/ point is that organized religion makes up filler/detail for things that we already DO know and have PROVEN, thus eliminating the need for
@RyanDemaree I'm quite happy to leave science to the scientists for the most part. Evolution, etc are cool with me. The real questions religion and society have to answer are 'How can we be happy or find peace in a crazy world?' 'Why should I be good or reasonable?' 'What do I feel if everybody hates me?' etc. These issues don't disappear with microwave technology. Questions on values, ethics and purpose remain and this is religion's task, not unscientific science which, I agree, nobody needs.
@leconfidant -personal opinion and filler details. Organized religion does this on the basis of "he said, she said", "I was told to", and "just because" not because of physical evidence or the scientific process. Of course we dont know everything, nor do we claim to, and often times ppl make "filler details" for what we dont know, but we do it on the basis of what we DO know, not what we are TOLD to think. For instance, we dont yet know how abundant life is in the universe, BUT we do know that
@RyanDemaree Religion is based on traditions and conventions, the way music, ethics, literature or the law are. They adapt so that what the story they tell is meaningful. A left-hand-drive rule or jazz music aren't 'provable', but they are highly thought-out and socially integrated, so learning these usually works better than making up 'What is music?' or 'By which rule should I drive for yourself'. This is why religious morals help. But science is science and that is that.
@leconfidant -there aremany other stars, and we have even began to start finding exo-planets. With basic mathematics and comparison to life here on earth/ our solar system we are able to calculate the probability of other life in the universe. Do we know that there is other life? certainly not. Is it statistically in the favor of other life out there? YES. BUT, the bible and other religious books would have us all believe that we are ALONE in this vast universe simply because "thats just how it
@RyanDemaree I'm Buddhist and in our scriptures, Buddha is visited by other 'Buddhas' from many other worlds. Worlds beyond number, all different. Visitors come from other 'world systems' and 'major world systems': star gods, dragon gods, demon gods, etc, and the impression is of a massive universe stuffed with various life forms. Now maybe this is just science fiction, but comparing this with the bible's isolationism, we can agree how important these old fables are in conditioning imagination.
@leconfidant -is" and because "God said so in the bible" The difference here where atheists/ scientists claim "there is most likely life out there in the universe somewhere due to mathematical probability, but we dont know for sure, lets investigate" and ppl who are part of an organized religion will say " we are alone in the universe, this universe belongs to us, and its all because god said so and its in my ancient pre-historic book"
@leconfidant -One states "Yes, there is most likely life, due to mathematical probability and calculation, but we dont know for sure, so lets not say anything is definite, lets investigate"
The other states "Nope, there is no life outside earth, lets not investigate, and its all because my god and my pre-historic book said so"
So the difference here is that while neither answer is definate and both take a leap of "faith" one admittedy states that they could be wrong, so they feel further
@RyanDemaree I agree, but I would go further and say most scientists are unaware how much their religious background conditions their imagination. As a Buddhist, I can see how appealing a big bang universe with a sudden beginning and total apocalypse would appeal to a christian culture. That's why I'm betting against the big bang and skeptical of dark matter and red-shift cosmology. But if I'm right or wrong, I think it still aids enquiry to have a range of differing hypotheses,
@leconfidant -investigation is in order.Not only that, their "faith" is based on probability and statistic.
The other person feels that they are indefinately right NO MATTER WHAT and that any further investigation is pointless, because they simply know that they are right. Why? because they were told to think that, their god said so, and its in their pre-historic book.
"Faith" is only good when you are basing your faith on evidence/science and when you are able to admit that it is juat
@RyanDemaree Again, the majority of religious people are like me - we use science to the science and religion for emotional / ethical guidance. The word 'faith' has changed in the past 200 years to mean 'agreement on a point of fact', but 'faith' used to be more like 'faithfulness' - I love / support this (I believe in... rock'n'roll / equality / love). These are decisions, not facts and we make them because everybody has to answer them one way or another (e.g. 'Are other people important?')
@leconfidant - that, FAITH, and that you could be wrong, so therefore you will investigate further until you do know.
Organized religion requires one take giant leaps of faith with zero grounding in science/ evidence and that you simply cannot be challenged because YOU ARE RIGHT! and your "god" says so.
That is a dangerous mindset, and id like to see it dissipate.
@RyanDemaree I chose Buddhism for precisely the reason you give. It's testable. If you do it, you start to change and become happier and more effective in your relationships. But happiness is a very subjective proof. I don't think such conclusions can be imposed however. If you don't want to do it, it won't work. So it would be pointless to make Buddhism compulsory. But I'm open-minded. If science made me happier than Buddhism, I would definitely switch.
Carl Sagan will live forever in the hearts and minds of humanity. I am sure that will be his idea of heaven... to promote learning and curiosity for generations to come.
so religion has really convinced people.. that theres an invisble man living in the sky who watches everything you do every minute and every day.. and the invisble man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do and if u do any of these 10 things.. he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning, torture and anguish where he will send you to live, to suffer, to burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time..... BUT HE LOVES YOU!?
Whilst I have no problem per se with the kids being taught/brought up in Christianity at a voluntary camp. I have strong objections to rallying cries of the like 'This means war!' & 'The evil government is trying to take JESUS out of your schools'. Kids should be taught about multiculturalism and acceptance- whatever happened to the 'melting pot'? By forcing a set of religious doctrines onto people (by entrenching them in law), we are actually regressing, and putting up barriers between people.
"An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid; the idea of a creator of the universe is difficult to prove or disprove " Dr. Sagan aka "Mr.X"
@zydomason "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very "STUPID"; the idea of a creator of the universe is difficult to prove or disprove " Dr. Sagan aka "Mr.X"
I think that what bothers me most is the start of the Jesus Camp part where the man is symbolically capturing things in his cups and having the children break those cups. That form of magic is older than the religion he professes and he doesn't see the incongruity of using it in his little service. Magic is forbidden in the Bible itself. How can he not know what he is doing?
Where is Child Protective Services when you really need them!?! This is just as poisonous to a child's health as growing up with any junkie for a parent.
Makes me fucking sick to my stomach. If we could get rid of people like those Jesus freaks running the camp, and religious fanatics everywhere the world could be so much better. They twist the minds of children using fear and hatred. Religion, no matter which one you follow, is a series of cults, and some people need to open their eyes and realize that.
I say if we had more sagans in the class room things would be ok lol. RIPcarl you could really see how much he enjoyed educating people about the cosmos and biology and science in general.
Longtime Carl Sagan colleague Lawrence Slobodkin (jew), a professor of ecology at the State University in Stony Brook, say : "He thought of himself as a Jew".
Either Sagan considered himself one of "God's chosen people", or he was a racist. He avoided this issue, hiding behind planets and bolders in space as the only truth. The truth "out there" to flee the truth in himself. Atheists are self haters.
Jewish is neither a race nor a ethnicity. It is a religious sect. There are jews of many ethnicities just like the catholics or protestants. Sagan considered himself a jew.
@GebeClairEtNet Your logic is baffling. He considered being Jewish to be a race. You do not. You differ in opinion. Don't attack him for something so trivial in order to diminish his greatness.
And, atheists are not 'self haters'. That makes no sense. That's generalizing.
Yeah it's a pretty well known fact that Judaism is a religion, not a 'race'. Look at John Stewart or any other white caucasian Jew and then look at the Jews who have lived in the middle east for thousands of years. No similarity other than their religion.
Then why the person who made this video did not chose a film of a jewish school ? They are even worst ! Same hate and war message. Sagan is a jew ! Why oppose a jewish scientist to a christian evangelist school ? Aren't there any christian scientists ?
@GebeClairEtNet The first half of this video is from Carl Sagan's show Cosmos. The second half is from the documentary Jesus Camp, made in 2006. Sagan died in 1996 and had nothing to do with the film Jesus Camp nor this youtube video.
Well how come Youtube dont censor this film like they always do when parts of a film is used without consent ? Who made this film ? It clearly oppose the two teachings like as if these were the only available. Is astronomy the savior from bad religion ? I stand with my first impression from looking at this choice of clips joined together. It is the message I get. The person who made this surely knew Sagan was a jew.
@GebeClairEtNet Because, evidently, whoever owns Cosmos and/or Jesus Camp is not forcing Youtube to take them down. This isn't an issue of censorship, it's an issue of copyright holders not wanting their shit to be viewed for free.
And what the hell is your beef with Jews? I'm no fan of the Israeli government, but the problem isn't Jews. The problem is psychotic fascists--plenty of which are Christian or Muslim--who think they've got some kind of divine right to tell people how they should live
@dckuha Youtube dont wait for a complaint from the owners. I have experienced it myself. My beef with jews ? Jewish Bill Maher's "religoulous" attacking christianity and hassidics, but not touching zionists who are running washington. Maher a zionist himself. The persecution of Mel Gibson (The Passion), the jewish cartoon South Park , etc... Most of the "evangelists" in the USA are zionists manipulated by jewish lobby. You're in USA but dont see it under your nose.
@GebeClairEtNet So you're one of THOSE. You're obsessed. There's not really any point in reasoning with you. But I'll say this much: even if you can prove there's some kind of evil zionist conspiracy to control everything, that sure as hell isn't Sagan's or Maher's fault just because they're vaguely Jewish.
"Atheists are self haters."
Goodness, what tripe. I rather like myself, thank you very much. In fact, I'm so awesome that it's hard NOT to like myself. I've got balls of steel.
No doubt you reason with your balls, dckuha. I am sure you are convinced the Federal Reserve and US bankruped economy is in the hands of Wilsons, Smiths, and Fords. What we have here is a montage of two jewish atheist propaganda pieces working to destroy the american christian culture and identity. In other words, the continued destruction of the american social and national bond.
Well how about that ! The director of Jesus Camp, Rachel Grady, is jewish ! From her mother Bonnie Goldstein, herself a network TV producer, and a writer.
I bet 10$ the maker of this collage video is also jewish.
As a church goer and teacher I will never be a party to closing a child's mind and teaching hate. Faith gave us Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa, it also has plenty of blood on it's hands. My faith came from surviving gunfire on the battlefield of Brooklyn. Let's teach children to love and dream of making this life on earth better. That's my prayer no cup breaking needed.
4:43 "your going to be on fire" lol. oh the irony, and stupid is just too immense there.
slitheredxscars 18 hours ago
What. is. wrong. with. these. people..
OwenJamesisOJ 4 days ago
Well in other words...i choose no religion, I have no need
jettastreetracer 6 days ago
pff religion "god's great" ? No. there is war, world hunger, etc if there ewer was a god he/she left us a long time ago. (oh and most wars are about religion or money) so think about that for a second net time you say praise the lord. (btw im not satanist just sceptic to what what pepole say is good)
mrcpdaniel1 6 days ago in playlist religion vs science
At 2:56 you can actually see the moment that kid's mind is blown.
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trimi38 1 week ago
Carl sagan youst made it to my man crush list. to bad he is dead :=/
petelovesrat 1 week ago
Hail Satan!!!!!
9Iamthewalrus 2 weeks ago
@9Iamthewalrus Hail Satan!
analukahuna 1 week ago
And they say muslims are a weird because they kneel and pray more than once a day
jettastreetracer 2 weeks ago
@jettastreetracer you hate christians exclusively? cuz i think Islam should share the same amount of criticism just for being a religion
requiemforatrain94 6 days ago in playlist Carl Sagan
How sad....if I could find a way, I shouldcopy these video and spread them out, this is screwed up, young kids
jettastreetracer 2 weeks ago
6:41 Fat religious bitch makes a McDonalds reference. Lmfao.
racktheham 2 weeks ago
Man, this really reveals how screwed up religion is. First Carl Sagan, one of the greatest heroes of our time, fostering joy and curiosity about the world in these children and truly leading them down the path of light. Then contrasted with the terrifying Jesus Camp, where children are indoctrinated and brainwashed and led down the path of darkness. Sagan teaches through compassion and understanding of the child's mind, while the Jesus Camp "teaches" through terror and fear mongering. Truly sad.
ciciomax 3 weeks ago 3
6:23 the little girl's like "what's up with these crazy ass white people, better stick my arms out before they come for me".
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BarrioAztrologist89 3 weeks ago
"Unlike McDonald's this is not about how fast you can go through the drive-thru"
Looks like she knows a lot about both McDonald's - as well as drive-thru's...
hhaugan 3 weeks ago
Carl sagan has the most amazing voice ever
cheezpleaze105 4 weeks ago
@DebunkingEvolution Trolling will get you nowhere
Ricoh6502 4 weeks ago
I wish Carl Sagan was my science teacher
haze122112 1 month ago
that jesus camp is so wrong, what they were doing to the kids there is how they get people to blow themselves up in the name of "so and so" i can imagine this is exactly how they get people to do things like 9/11. telling kids 'this is war' is so so wrong, someone should tell that woman to stop going throught the mcdonalds drive thru the fat bitch
zappy321123 1 month ago 4
this is comical.. lets base everything on two examples..
inhalejesus 1 month ago
As if that's what Jesus wanted
capella1234 1 month ago
As a kid, i grew up with my dad, being a college graduate, encouraging my love in science. my mom, a highschool graduate, always yelled at me for liking science more than religion..I dont like religion because it has no back up. if i say "i made a marble" a religious person would say a god made it. no questions asked. a scientist would tell you how,when,and who made it...
metaknight95 1 month ago
Those poor kids! That is child abuse.
lc237 1 month ago 3
I am a christian and that Jesus camp clip, scared me too :O
All though horrific things are also made in the name of science.
Fotomadsen 2 months ago
science make children want to learn and be curious about the world we live in, religion make children cry,be more violent, and hate anyone who oppose christianity.......... remember children will run the world when we are old and retired. what kind of world do you want to leave behind?
solder1994 2 months ago
Brilliant man.
5hazmat 2 months ago
Religion and science. Clearly one is more logical. I can't wait to teach my son all about the great Carl Sagan.
Liamnorrin 2 months ago
8:08 This means war?? isnt Jesus, god and all about love and stuff?
LukasNykvist 2 months ago
6:24 Leeroooy Jeeeeennkiiins!
LukasNykvist 2 months ago
That jesus camp is fucked up, some Americans are batshit crazy
CameronJohnMidgley 2 months ago
Skip religion, get to know Jesus.
Religion = tradition of man.
Jesus Camp is part of a dominionism movement, completely CONTRADICTORY to LOVE and FREE WILL.
Oh, evil men...
MrExspectator 2 months ago
Gives me hope to see positive views on such videos and negative in others that enforce things rather than teach or question or simply express with rationality... At least the world is changing in youtube :)
ncdangale112 2 months ago
Fuck.
lumpyrabbit 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
How disturbing the Jesus camp was...wtf is wrong with some adults.
BooLuvsKittie 3 months ago
@BooLuvsKittie I know right?! WTF!
Titaniumgoblin 3 months ago
'Hi, we're Christian, and we're going to break some shit!'
UniversalTruths 3 months ago
'You're a part of the milky way Galaxy' That kid just learned something REAL!
UniversalTruths 3 months ago 3
"Ah the christian Bible; that convenient absolute authority in maintaining the self-aggrandizing, self-blessedness of American belligerence, venality and assholery." - Harold Harcourt
t43700 3 months ago
i never had any lesson on the universe and science at my school :(
it was btw a christian school -_-
MultiMegaBryan 3 months ago in playlist Liked
So are you sgribley, indeed.
allaround360 3 months ago
He enlightened that little girl when he taught - didn't tell - taught and explained to her how she is a part of the Milky Way Galaxy. What a beautiful moment.
sgribley 3 months ago
The kids in the Sagan class were actively learning about their world (and, therefore, themselves), the kids in Jesus Camp were being manipulated and reacting with hatred and violence to big words they didn't understand by rote. This kids in Sagan's class were having such a positive experience of growth - just look at them. The Jesus Camp kids were being stunted by an experience that was very, very negative - just look at them.
sgribley 3 months ago 3
If i ever see any of those adults at that jesus camp i would probably kill them. poor children. Child abuse at it's worst!
doodleguitarist 3 months ago
That Jesus camp makes me fucking sick....
Dudits15 3 months ago 3
each one of us let's try to be a carl sagan
wachox 3 months ago
That Jesus camp was the most frightening thing I've ever seen.
angrynutrients 3 months ago 2
It's as clear as day which side is good and which is evil.
DerrenBrown100 3 months ago 2
Fuck, I was set on the mood after watching how well Sagan intereacted with the children and giving them chances to question themselves. After the Jesus camp came, well... Poisoning of the mind.
HanSDevX 3 months ago
They got to meet one of my heroes.
Lucky little bastards.
BohemianBlasphemy 3 months ago
yeah breaking cups totally solves everything
gunjydna93 3 months ago
Athiesm, the lowest level of belief, oh my bad, lack of.
allaround360 3 months ago
@allaround360 . . . your bad, indeed.
sgribley 3 months ago
I wish I was taught like those kids at the begining, we had to sit down and keep quiet, school was so boring no one could concerntrate.
CaRyS469 3 months ago
Sick fucks.
Hussarer 4 months ago
I just vomited after seeing those adults brainwash kids.
OneKlicKill 4 months ago
At 2:00 when he pulled out that picture I was like "It's the Death Star!".
AK107DX 4 months ago
I would be proud as fuck if i would be one of those kids and eventually watch this video.
paddymoep 4 months ago
Thats fucked up, I tell you what.
MrYoucantexplainthat 5 months ago
@MrYoucantexplainthat You're implying implications here.
paddymoep 4 months ago
Can you see the enlightened look in the eyes of those beautiful kids. Now, compare the two. It looks as if the children are now full of hate, anger and fear.. Damn shame!
prospectoroftruth 5 months ago
2:57 those kids looked like they just reached enlightenment or something
animals0feel1pain2 5 months ago
Infinite wisdom of Carl Sagon vs The crazy psycho bitch who would only mention McDonalds due to the likelihood she has expertise on McDonalds from eating there every hour of the day based on her planet sized mass. It's no contest, Sagon wins by a landslide.
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that's it, i'm going to become a science teacher.
osee32 5 months ago
that's it, i'm going to become a science teacher.
osee32 5 months ago
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Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people.
Simon76373958573633 5 months ago
Screw science, religion will let me break cups.
Zarewale 5 months ago
If only more of humanity was like Sagan
TerminaMorte 5 months ago
this makes me fucking sick. rest in piece Carl, you will be missed....
castro2fun 5 months ago
If religion doesn't die out soon, humanity may not have a future....
KamasutraButterfly 5 months ago 49
@KamasutraButterfly Actually, it has. We fly to Mars. Christians believe the earth was created for them. They have to stay on earth. Have mars parties on mars. Without christians.
Awesome.
paddymoep 4 months ago 3
lol when the fat bitch talks about McDonolds.
trimi38 1 week ago
"This means War!" We can only hope that these warmongers can be stopped, removed from society, and their movement recognized for what it is, an attempt to establish tyranny and stultify minds.
drfoxcourt 5 months ago
The difference between inspiring a child to learn and ask question and inspiring a child to HATE and FEAR. Christianity suck the life out of children.
xephyr1000 5 months ago 46
fucking religious scum
thescorpionking2020 5 months ago
@thescorpionking2020 This isn't religion. They call themselves religious, but I know of no 'cup-breaking' ritual in any reigion christian or otherwise, nor is the type of Christianty they represent similar to any I can think of. Some people are crazy about their religion. These guys are... I guess religious about their mental health problems. This is not religion. If they are members of a church, which church is that?
leconfidant 5 months ago
these kids are to young to even understand what they are crying about. the scary part is when the lady yells "this is War!" that sounds like Jihad
congalala6777 5 months ago
There's no way I want my children to go there...
killerboyfoolz 5 months ago
Why isn't religion extinct yet??
mio68df 6 months ago
ABSURD VIDEO. TheReality21 has chosen the most amazing science teacher anybody could wish for and then contrasted that with the craziest religion teacher I've ever seen. It's more like a class on religious politics than religion and the 'cup-breaking' stuff is more like a ritual than a lesson at all. This is not the reality. Is TheReality21 a heretic for posting this video? No, he's just being stupid, because this is equally not science, it's politics. A shameful disregard distortion of truth.
leconfidant 6 months ago
I get so fucking pissed when I see kids losing out on knowledge like this. Carl was a gem, a true ambassador for this planet.
torontoBluejays87 6 months ago
Poor kids....so brain washed to the point of ignorance. I hope they wake up one day.
intrusosgang 6 months ago
If you wish to make morons from scratch, you must first read the bible
RyanDemaree 6 months ago
@RyanDemaree The Chinese Communist revolutionaries had schools like this, and taught atheism with the same fervour. The result wasn't that the kids grasp of astronomy or evolution was a bit dodgy. 45 million people died. No Bibles required.
leconfidant 6 months ago
@leconfidant -Dogma was required for that to happen. Dogma and suppression of curiousity and knowledge.
The bible fits that descriptin perfectly.
RyanDemaree 6 months ago
@RyanDemaree The history of the church and science was never reducible to dogma and suppression of knowledge. At times, the church held back knowledge, but at other times it preserved it and nurtured it. Try Youtubing... John Lennox - The "Religion vs Science" Myth. He lays it out very clearly, The whole 'religion bad / science good' position is impossible to sustain in the face of evidence. That and the fact that the scientific community has also has dogma and suppression of knowledge.
leconfidant 6 months ago
@leconfidant -Religion WAS good and DID serve a purpose...5000 yrs ago
We have Science and technology now, there are no needs for any whacky fables.
Honestly, what purpose does organized religion serve in the modern era?
RyanDemaree 6 months ago
@RyanDemaree 5,000 years? Is that a science? Instead of throwing rocks, let’s be scientific and look at evidence. We had religion at least 30,000 years, during which things slowly sophisticated. No civilisation managed without religion. None. We had 200 years of modern science and between global warming, fossil fuel exhaustion, nuclear waste and nuclear war, we’ll be lucky to avoid mass extinction. More technology won’t change this trend. Only better values. And science does facts, not values.
leconfidant 6 months ago
@leconfidant -Ok, somehow I knew you were gonna be a literalist in regards to the 5K religion statement. SURE, we have had fables and archetypes since the dawn of modern sapiens 30K yrs ago, but in a modern world where we are sending robots to other planets, peering into the reaches of the universe and uncovering our ancestors bones dating millions of years back in time, id say its safe to say that suicidal carpenters, magic lamps and hokus pokus is irrelevant by this point.
RyanDemaree 6 months ago
@RyanDemaree No, I knew 5K was arbitrary, but I'd rather have a constructive dialogue than fire exagerations around. Science is amazing, but not if you're, say, suicidal or in a war or addicted to drugs. The ability to do science or even appreciate it requires people who are fairly positive, reasonably at peace and pretty focused on common purpose. Religion is the attempt to provide the software for that. Most of it it's substance isn't myths, but ethics and values which remain after technology.
leconfidant 6 months ago
@leconfidant -Sure, we dont know eerything about the universe or life itself and oftn make our own fillers to makeup for what we dont already know, but at the same time we also only base these "filler ideas" on what we DO know and what we have seen and proven. So in that sense you could say religion still persists in science, sure, w/e. But my complaint/ point is that organized religion makes up filler/detail for things that we already DO know and have PROVEN, thus eliminating the need for
RyanDemaree 6 months ago
@RyanDemaree I'm quite happy to leave science to the scientists for the most part. Evolution, etc are cool with me. The real questions religion and society have to answer are 'How can we be happy or find peace in a crazy world?' 'Why should I be good or reasonable?' 'What do I feel if everybody hates me?' etc. These issues don't disappear with microwave technology. Questions on values, ethics and purpose remain and this is religion's task, not unscientific science which, I agree, nobody needs.
leconfidant 6 months ago
@leconfidant -personal opinion and filler details. Organized religion does this on the basis of "he said, she said", "I was told to", and "just because" not because of physical evidence or the scientific process. Of course we dont know everything, nor do we claim to, and often times ppl make "filler details" for what we dont know, but we do it on the basis of what we DO know, not what we are TOLD to think. For instance, we dont yet know how abundant life is in the universe, BUT we do know that
RyanDemaree 6 months ago
@RyanDemaree Religion is based on traditions and conventions, the way music, ethics, literature or the law are. They adapt so that what the story they tell is meaningful. A left-hand-drive rule or jazz music aren't 'provable', but they are highly thought-out and socially integrated, so learning these usually works better than making up 'What is music?' or 'By which rule should I drive for yourself'. This is why religious morals help. But science is science and that is that.
leconfidant 6 months ago
@leconfidant -there aremany other stars, and we have even began to start finding exo-planets. With basic mathematics and comparison to life here on earth/ our solar system we are able to calculate the probability of other life in the universe. Do we know that there is other life? certainly not. Is it statistically in the favor of other life out there? YES. BUT, the bible and other religious books would have us all believe that we are ALONE in this vast universe simply because "thats just how it
RyanDemaree 6 months ago
@RyanDemaree I'm Buddhist and in our scriptures, Buddha is visited by other 'Buddhas' from many other worlds. Worlds beyond number, all different. Visitors come from other 'world systems' and 'major world systems': star gods, dragon gods, demon gods, etc, and the impression is of a massive universe stuffed with various life forms. Now maybe this is just science fiction, but comparing this with the bible's isolationism, we can agree how important these old fables are in conditioning imagination.
leconfidant 6 months ago
@leconfidant -is" and because "God said so in the bible" The difference here where atheists/ scientists claim "there is most likely life out there in the universe somewhere due to mathematical probability, but we dont know for sure, lets investigate" and ppl who are part of an organized religion will say " we are alone in the universe, this universe belongs to us, and its all because god said so and its in my ancient pre-historic book"
RyanDemaree 6 months ago
@leconfidant -One states "Yes, there is most likely life, due to mathematical probability and calculation, but we dont know for sure, so lets not say anything is definite, lets investigate"
The other states "Nope, there is no life outside earth, lets not investigate, and its all because my god and my pre-historic book said so"
So the difference here is that while neither answer is definate and both take a leap of "faith" one admittedy states that they could be wrong, so they feel further
RyanDemaree 6 months ago
@RyanDemaree I agree, but I would go further and say most scientists are unaware how much their religious background conditions their imagination. As a Buddhist, I can see how appealing a big bang universe with a sudden beginning and total apocalypse would appeal to a christian culture. That's why I'm betting against the big bang and skeptical of dark matter and red-shift cosmology. But if I'm right or wrong, I think it still aids enquiry to have a range of differing hypotheses,
leconfidant 6 months ago
@leconfidant -investigation is in order.Not only that, their "faith" is based on probability and statistic.
The other person feels that they are indefinately right NO MATTER WHAT and that any further investigation is pointless, because they simply know that they are right. Why? because they were told to think that, their god said so, and its in their pre-historic book.
"Faith" is only good when you are basing your faith on evidence/science and when you are able to admit that it is juat
RyanDemaree 6 months ago
@RyanDemaree Again, the majority of religious people are like me - we use science to the science and religion for emotional / ethical guidance. The word 'faith' has changed in the past 200 years to mean 'agreement on a point of fact', but 'faith' used to be more like 'faithfulness' - I love / support this (I believe in... rock'n'roll / equality / love). These are decisions, not facts and we make them because everybody has to answer them one way or another (e.g. 'Are other people important?')
leconfidant 6 months ago
@leconfidant - that, FAITH, and that you could be wrong, so therefore you will investigate further until you do know.
Organized religion requires one take giant leaps of faith with zero grounding in science/ evidence and that you simply cannot be challenged because YOU ARE RIGHT! and your "god" says so.
That is a dangerous mindset, and id like to see it dissipate.
RyanDemaree 6 months ago
@RyanDemaree I chose Buddhism for precisely the reason you give. It's testable. If you do it, you start to change and become happier and more effective in your relationships. But happiness is a very subjective proof. I don't think such conclusions can be imposed however. If you don't want to do it, it won't work. So it would be pointless to make Buddhism compulsory. But I'm open-minded. If science made me happier than Buddhism, I would definitely switch.
leconfidant 6 months ago
Carl Sagan will live forever in the hearts and minds of humanity. I am sure that will be his idea of heaven... to promote learning and curiosity for generations to come.
AtheistCanada 6 months ago
so religion has really convinced people.. that theres an invisble man living in the sky who watches everything you do every minute and every day.. and the invisble man has a special list of 10 things he does not want you to do and if u do any of these 10 things.. he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning, torture and anguish where he will send you to live, to suffer, to burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time..... BUT HE LOVES YOU!?
061323980 6 months ago
@061323980 AND HE NEES MONEY!!!!
martmcphly 6 months ago
@martmcphly YEAH!
061323980 6 months ago
Whilst I have no problem per se with the kids being taught/brought up in Christianity at a voluntary camp. I have strong objections to rallying cries of the like 'This means war!' & 'The evil government is trying to take JESUS out of your schools'. Kids should be taught about multiculturalism and acceptance- whatever happened to the 'melting pot'? By forcing a set of religious doctrines onto people (by entrenching them in law), we are actually regressing, and putting up barriers between people.
jamesrobtonyadams 6 months ago
"An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid; the idea of a creator of the universe is difficult to prove or disprove " Dr. Sagan aka "Mr.X"
1billion1deaths1 6 months ago
@1billion1deaths1
Yup, Sagan was "agnostic".
Because he knew the burden of proof lies on retards, like you.
We Atheists/Agnostics/Whatever else you call normal people - do not have to disprove anything.
And please don't shove modificated "quotes" into people's mouths.
zydomason 6 months ago
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@zydomason "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very "STUPID"; the idea of a creator of the universe is difficult to prove or disprove " Dr. Sagan aka "Mr.X"
1billion1deaths1 6 months ago
Carl Sagan was not in no way Atheist. You people are a disgrace, sagan is probabolly turning in his grave.
1billion1deaths1 6 months ago
That's why i want to be a teacher. Their smile. The reward they get when you answer their honest questions.
The monsters making them cry awake the monster in me.
Desolator84 6 months ago
I smell intellectual weakness... its horridly powerful. Pungent. Overpowering. It started after 4.5 minutes of watching this video.
smarzotais 6 months ago
10 year old children talking about the gov?
yeah they realy think for themselfes
MaxikingNimero 6 months ago
This brings tears to my eyes, this man is dead. He was such a great person, I hate to watch videos of people who are gone.
CyberSpectrumND 6 months ago
what the fuck did those cups ever do to deserve that?!?!?
Swagopoly 6 months ago
I'D KILL FOR A TEACHER LIKE CARL
Azianxss 6 months ago
Anyone else reminded of the Hitler Youth?
1xxxxxREDxxxxx1 6 months ago 2
This is absolutely horrifying.
vincentpistelli 6 months ago
I think that what bothers me most is the start of the Jesus Camp part where the man is symbolically capturing things in his cups and having the children break those cups. That form of magic is older than the religion he professes and he doesn't see the incongruity of using it in his little service. Magic is forbidden in the Bible itself. How can he not know what he is doing?
ChaudiereNoire 6 months ago
6:44 well she has to know
Rattmuff93 6 months ago
What's the name of the program that the Carl Sagan bits came from? Thanks!
SuperDayv 6 months ago
@SuperDayv Its called cosmos they have all the episodes on youtube
Luis568369 6 months ago
Sagan's laugh at 0:25 makes me smile.
bakkon 6 months ago
@bakkon
Same here.
stefansv 6 months ago
2:58 looks like it changed her life forever.
GrandpaGroove 6 months ago
Where is Child Protective Services when you really need them!?! This is just as poisonous to a child's health as growing up with any junkie for a parent.
dementor19 6 months ago
@dementor19 No slow down there! My parents might have been druggies, but they weren't as bad as the parents that raise them into that bullshit!
otakuadd 6 months ago
This is absolutely terrifying. The looks on these cultists faces...they look miserable as fuck.
DeweyButtz 6 months ago
I could listen to Carl Sagans voice forever.
TheDagga94 6 months ago 8
@TheDagga94 anyone who listens to Carls voice, gets orgasim.
gethsoftware 6 months ago
Makes me fucking sick to my stomach. If we could get rid of people like those Jesus freaks running the camp, and religious fanatics everywhere the world could be so much better. They twist the minds of children using fear and hatred. Religion, no matter which one you follow, is a series of cults, and some people need to open their eyes and realize that.
trvemetalbassist 6 months ago 2
fucking makes me sick
DanTheMan8488 6 months ago
omg. from the way Carl Sagan speaks in front of this class, he reminds me of my science teacher last year.
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AWHNNOH 7 months ago
I say if we had more sagans in the class room things would be ok lol. RIPcarl you could really see how much he enjoyed educating people about the cosmos and biology and science in general.
endgamex 7 months ago
"How many of you kids want to be those who would give up their lives for Jesus?"
Sick. Child abuse.
AgentSpikeLongskin 7 months ago
she goes through the drive thru quickly i bet
MrKitkatkrunchy 7 months ago
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This is sick how can they do this children? This is wrong.
kaikincaid96 7 months ago
Longtime Carl Sagan colleague Lawrence Slobodkin (jew), a professor of ecology at the State University in Stony Brook, say : "He thought of himself as a Jew".
Either Sagan considered himself one of "God's chosen people", or he was a racist. He avoided this issue, hiding behind planets and bolders in space as the only truth. The truth "out there" to flee the truth in himself. Atheists are self haters.
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
@GebeClairEtNet Why was he racist? Jewish people are seen as a distinct ethnicity.
nfox1123 7 months ago
@nfox1123
No. They see themselves as a race. That is why they use the term "goy" making no distinction of ethnicity for those who are not jews.
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
@GebeClairEtNet I don't really see the point of pointing out his ethnicity, though. He wasn't religious either way.
nfox1123 7 months ago
@nfox1123
Jewish is neither a race nor a ethnicity. It is a religious sect. There are jews of many ethnicities just like the catholics or protestants. Sagan considered himself a jew.
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
@GebeClairEtNet Then you've obviously got a different take on the meaning behind that classification. Semantics are relative.
REGARDLESS, he wasn't religious.
nfox1123 7 months ago
@nfox1123
If he was not religious then he was a racist. He declared himself a jew. So it is one or the other.
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
@GebeClairEtNet Your logic is baffling. He considered being Jewish to be a race. You do not. You differ in opinion. Don't attack him for something so trivial in order to diminish his greatness.
And, atheists are not 'self haters'. That makes no sense. That's generalizing.
nfox1123 7 months ago
@nfox1123
I dont like racists, nfox1123.
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
@nfox1123 or maybe he sees himself as a member of judaic tradition, making him neither a racist nor a religiant, but a keen observer
bkjbs762 7 months ago
@GebeClairEtNet
Yeah it's a pretty well known fact that Judaism is a religion, not a 'race'. Look at John Stewart or any other white caucasian Jew and then look at the Jews who have lived in the middle east for thousands of years. No similarity other than their religion.
AgentSpikeLongskin 7 months ago
@AgentSpikeLongskin
Exactly. But it is also a racist sect. No blacks allowed. And they consider themselves a race.
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
Pathetic to see Sagan, a jew, making this using a small christian sect when the whole country of Israel teaches it's kids this way.
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
@GebeClairEtNet Sagan didn't make it, that would make him the third Jew to come back from the dead.
Religion is like a penis....
It's fine to have one.
It's fine to be proud of it.
But please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around,
And PLEASE don't try to shove it down children's throats.
rainbowbirko87 7 months ago
@rainbowbirko87
Then why the person who made this video did not chose a film of a jewish school ? They are even worst ! Same hate and war message. Sagan is a jew ! Why oppose a jewish scientist to a christian evangelist school ? Aren't there any christian scientists ?
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
@GebeClairEtNet The first half of this video is from Carl Sagan's show Cosmos. The second half is from the documentary Jesus Camp, made in 2006. Sagan died in 1996 and had nothing to do with the film Jesus Camp nor this youtube video.
To Assume is to make an Ass of U and Me.
dckuha 7 months ago
@dckuha
Well how come Youtube dont censor this film like they always do when parts of a film is used without consent ? Who made this film ? It clearly oppose the two teachings like as if these were the only available. Is astronomy the savior from bad religion ? I stand with my first impression from looking at this choice of clips joined together. It is the message I get. The person who made this surely knew Sagan was a jew.
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
@GebeClairEtNet Because, evidently, whoever owns Cosmos and/or Jesus Camp is not forcing Youtube to take them down. This isn't an issue of censorship, it's an issue of copyright holders not wanting their shit to be viewed for free.
And what the hell is your beef with Jews? I'm no fan of the Israeli government, but the problem isn't Jews. The problem is psychotic fascists--plenty of which are Christian or Muslim--who think they've got some kind of divine right to tell people how they should live
dckuha 7 months ago
@dckuha Youtube dont wait for a complaint from the owners. I have experienced it myself. My beef with jews ? Jewish Bill Maher's "religoulous" attacking christianity and hassidics, but not touching zionists who are running washington. Maher a zionist himself. The persecution of Mel Gibson (The Passion), the jewish cartoon South Park , etc... Most of the "evangelists" in the USA are zionists manipulated by jewish lobby. You're in USA but dont see it under your nose.
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
@GebeClairEtNet So you're one of THOSE. You're obsessed. There's not really any point in reasoning with you. But I'll say this much: even if you can prove there's some kind of evil zionist conspiracy to control everything, that sure as hell isn't Sagan's or Maher's fault just because they're vaguely Jewish.
"Atheists are self haters."
Goodness, what tripe. I rather like myself, thank you very much. In fact, I'm so awesome that it's hard NOT to like myself. I've got balls of steel.
dckuha 7 months ago
@dckuha
No doubt you reason with your balls, dckuha. I am sure you are convinced the Federal Reserve and US bankruped economy is in the hands of Wilsons, Smiths, and Fords. What we have here is a montage of two jewish atheist propaganda pieces working to destroy the american christian culture and identity. In other words, the continued destruction of the american social and national bond.
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
@GebeClairEtNet Bill Maher was raised Catholic, you idiot.
Crawl back under your shitty, little rock.
slycotto66 6 months ago
@dckuha
Well how about that ! The director of Jesus Camp, Rachel Grady, is jewish ! From her mother Bonnie Goldstein, herself a network TV producer, and a writer.
I bet 10$ the maker of this collage video is also jewish.
GebeClairEtNet 7 months ago
poor cup
ccowws 7 months ago
As a church goer and teacher I will never be a party to closing a child's mind and teaching hate. Faith gave us Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa, it also has plenty of blood on it's hands. My faith came from surviving gunfire on the battlefield of Brooklyn. Let's teach children to love and dream of making this life on earth better. That's my prayer no cup breaking needed.
mosquito103 8 months ago
@mosquito103 left wing politics gave us lutherking, and mother theresa totally sucks.
jacobromu 7 months ago