when was the last time u prayed through man. if your not being spirit led its not of god. its not by might nor by power but by my spirit says the lord
Ok well that explains it then. You once knew the truth but turn aside for vain janglings. Well, remember that we all are told to earnest contend for the faith once delivered unto the early saints (by Jude in 66 AD). When a person is baptized they then recieve salvation and the infilling of the holy ghost without tongues needed. Tongues manifest another gift called the gift of the Holy Spirit with tongues evidence- it's the latter rain. You know the truth but refuse to heed it (Rom 1:16-17). Bye.
I was once deceived until I decided to examine my religion by God's Word. You are using bogus history as the last quarter of this video proves. Please actually watch the video.
Please watch the videos. This is wasting time. If you would have watched the videos you would know that I was baptized in the Acts 2:38 formula by immersion since I was an Ordained Apostolic Pentecostal preacher and missionary. Please watch the videos first before making any more comments.
Thirdly, you still have not explained out by what means are you saved (baptized into) by sufficiently. My sufficiency is in Christ (Jesus) (Col 2:8-23). "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." He alone is the way to God (Jo 14:6). In His name and by His blood we are saved! (Heb 4:15; 9:22-23; Jo 1:29; Act 2:38; 4:12)! reply
First of all I'm not UPC. Secondly, I do believe by His grace and our faith, we have been created in Jesus unto good works as Eph 2:8-10 correctly states. For by GRACE are YE SAVED through FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should WALK IN THEM." We are new Creatures in CHRIST JESUS (Gal 3:27; 2 Cor 5:17) and not the trinity.
Well, all due respect but your credibilty is destroyed here by your lack of Scriptural answers given or not said. Acts 2:38 stands strong as the word of God will not wrestled or twisted by any man, no matter whom they seem to be. Well that's all folks we will never know how this individual beliefs on salvation. Too bad. He should of studied to show himself approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of truth lest he be ashamed. I'm not ashamed of Christ, as I have placed His name in my baptism.
The answers are in the video. This video has over 8,100 views so far. My other videos have over 30,000 views. I don't have time to explain every detail of my theology to every individual person on YouTube comment boxes. Thats why I made the 1 hour 16 minute video....
Well, appearantly you do not want to give out your secret formula of salvation. Anyhow I already him by history in a message earlier how that baptism by belief was required by the early church. In fact until Zwingli all baptisms were considered unto salvation. I also showed you by history again how that the three Billy's (Sunday, Graham and Bright) all formulated the Sinner's Prayer and easy believism. Lastly, the scriptures all have only Jesus name baptisms. The apostles all did it that way!Bye
@acts2and38ministries saved by grace through faith, by calling on his name, by believing Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Beware lest your own identification with Him becomes a substitute for HIS death burial resurrection. In the upc there is more focus on what we do than on what HE has already done to save us. I belive you may be confusing the sinners response to the cross with salvation itself. But you never asked me anyway so sorry about that. but I believe it
Ok. How does one become born again? Regeneration. As you say there's no way or method? Are you Bruce Lee? Using no way as a way, or what? I mean what is the cause to the effect. directly say so.
Sir, let's respect one another. I asked you a genuine question. How does one become saved according to you? Please respond back just to that simple and direct qeustion. This is a question and not an attack. God bless all that follow His word, in His name of Jesus.
I don't believe in a "get saved" mentality of any kind of prayer or method. Each person will have to respond differently to enter into the Kingdom of God. There is no canned message or method. Thats why to better understand where I'm coming from you should reference the other material provided.
Salvation is taking on the character and nature of Christ, being a partaker of the Divine Nature, being born of the Incorruptible Seed of God. It is not a method.
Last question. How do get saved according to you? Is it by the Sinner's Prayer (which can shown to come from Zwungli's false interpretation of the scriptures)? Or by easy believism (meaning that you faith apart from works now saves you (contradicts James 2:19-25, matt 6:29, 1 John 3:16-18, ect)? When is a person saved according to your philosphy? Because it's very obvious that your saying Peter and the rest of the apostles spoke lies or did not know your salvation formula. Therefore they sinned!
The sinner's prayer is heresy. You may wish to watch my other videos particularly "The Failure of the Protestant Reformation & Evangelicalism" and "Three Lies of the Modern Church" if you would like more info on what I believe about salvation. Also, there are several resources available on our web site that explain in detail far better than a YouTube comment box can. Thanks.
As per your false argument. Dr. Alexander (Presbyterian) says, "The whole phrase, to (or toward) remission of sins, describes this as the end to which the multitude had reference, and which, therefore, must be contemplated in the answer." Again: "The beneficial end to which all this led was the remission of sins."
Dr. Hackett (Baptist) expresses himself still more satisfactorily: "eis aphesin hamartion, in order to the forgiveness of sins, (Matt. 26:28 Luke iii: 3,) we connect, naturally, with the both the preceding verbs. This clause states the motive or object which should induce them to repent and be baptized. It enforces the entire exhortation, not one part of it to the exclusion of the other."
Regardless how you try to deny it, every single apostle to include Matthew (he was there and helped in the baptism of 3,000 Jews in the name of Jesus) baptized into the name of Jesus. Paul also did. Read Acts 2:38-22:16, Rom 6:4, Gal 3:27, Col 3:17, ect.
@acts2and38ministries "(he was there and helped in the baptism of 3,000 Jews in the name of Jesus)" Yep, that's what they DID, but the question is, "What did they SAY while they DID it?"
"faith without action is dead",you want to change your like?...Example..you are a smoker,you want to change your life,so you commit to your self "i will not take cigarettes",but every time still you are smoking!! yes you have faith but have not accompanied by action..
@ACallToHoliness But isn't that what Thomas did in John 20:28 in ur eyes? And so why do u have a problem with it now? Or else what is ur "OWN" personal "trinitarian" interpretation of this verse? Just try to explain away what is ur only option which is that Thomas "blasphemed." I know the truth and it is that Thomas CONFESSED Jesus as God (who is the Father). Blasphemy is sin and I don't know what pentecostyes meant but what u r doing sir will bring greater damnation.
@ACallToHoliness Also, u don't confess someone as God & not mean the Father which is prob what ur gonna try to say to. When it says Thomas "answered" and said unto him, the greek word for "answered" is apokrinomai" which means to "conclude for oneself." This means that Thomas "concluded" Him to be God the Father.
@ACallToHoliness Actually u have another option... and that is also to CONFESS like Thomas did. CONFESSION is made unto salvation Romans 10 u know it. Don't forget the word "UNTO"
@Ms987564 It's like this.....our wives don't have husband until we are dead to self so Christ can live thru us...our kids don't know a daddy until they see Jesus living in us and thru us. The neighbors have a selfish, self centered, egotistical, degenerate living next door to them until we die to self and allow JESUS to call the shots and have breath in us......GOT ME TO PREACHIN'....!!!!! Praise God!!!! CAN A BROTHER GET A LITTLE HELP UP IN HERE?!!!!!! Love ya'll Happy Valentines Day
@Ms987564 I agree. It's about the relationship with Him. It has nothing to do with what I think of your relationship with Him. You do what He is telling you to do.....that's what the name thing is all about anyway. I came on business for the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. It's what He says and how He says that we MUST be busy doing. We DO NOT TAKE ORDERS FROM ANOTHER.....only our LORD. We can pray in our schools when we submit to the Lord Jesus and worry about obeying Him instead of govrnment.
lets use the whole scripture not just the part we want to hear. i believe that all scripture works together cant pick and choose. witch scriptures to use for salvation they all work together.think about it . would u bake a cake and not use sugar or flour
Pastor of the church sold his house to build the church. He's not after money......it's all about Jesus .sold his house for a church to preach about Jesus to teach about Jesus to baptize in Jesus name . How much do you give for the cause of Jesus ????? How much do you believe in Jesus ????
One of the ways they did that was by selling all their private property to be distributed equally on a needs basis within the congregation. Does YOUR "apostolic" church follow that part of the Apostle's doctrine?
Why do you Oneness people post things like this? WATCH THE VIDEO everything is covered there including the verses you mentioned! Watch the video FIRST before posting comments that waste time!
@ACallToHoliness its funny that you know people are oneness i never told you dont want to watch full vidio because your not being led by the holyghost. your just telling people lies. the word of the lord is true. if its not in the word of god dont do it .you should be able to back your words with sripture .(1Ti 1:4) Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
@ACallToHoliness Plus it says he that believeth not is damned. It doesn't say he that believeth not AND is baptized not is damned. He would have a point if it said that
@Ms987564 Romans 6:3-5 will begin to explain this verse. Baptism goes much much deeper than water. Water baptizm is a figure or a picture or testimony of an inward act and that being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is in the finished work of Christ and christ alone that we put our trust and are saved. Baptized into Christ should be the translation. See 1 Cort 1:17, 12:13, Gal.3:27, Eph. 4:5, Col 2:11. I think you can come to a better understanding with this in mind.
(1Pe 3:21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:(Act 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(Mar 16:11) And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
You need to go back and read your Bible. It says the thief on the cross died AFTER JESUS because they had to break his legs to kill him, but Jesus' legs were not broken because he was already dead!
Titus 3:5 says"He saved us by washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost" But there were many in Acts who did not receive that Spirit automatically upon believing. It did not happen by "repeating a prayer and meaning it with all your heart." And yes, salvation is only one step, but that one step is the step that GOD takes by renewing us in the Holy Ghost (Titus 3:5). Repentance and Baptism don't save you, but they are still required by God to clear the way for salvation.
After 1,000 comments on this video no Oneness Pentecostal has yet been able to refute the Scriptures in this video. They continue to simply quote other verses, show bogus history, make personal attacks or bring up the Trinity.
They have NO foundation because they have not Christ. 1 Corinthians 3:11
There is no doubt that the triune god concept dates back to Babylon. Although the question is where the former Christians obtained it. The definition used by modern trinitiarian was the exact form that was written by Plato. Showing that Greek pagan converts wouldn't convert without concessions.
---Agathon, God or Father. ---Logos, the Word. ---Psyche, "spirit or ghost".
I can honestly say in person I wouldn't like you. You pull bible verses as a gunfighter pulls a gun. Without care! And honestly most people who do this I have found to be the biggest hypocrites. Matthew 7:1-5, I can do this as well! But the verses should be used to back your beliefs not to attack others. G_d's words should not be used as a weapon, but a light! Praise be to the Lord.
@thomla7 Behold Oneness brothers. You can clearly see who are real children of the 1 God Jesus. Consider the vulgar language is used in thomla7 message. Jesus forgive him for he doesn't know what he speaks of.
Get this, when i call u a LIAR b/c of you're doctrine, i did not put u in that classification, SCRIPTURE says your a LIAR, even JESUS himself.
John 8:54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my FATHER that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55Yet ye have not known HIM; but I KNOW HIM: and if I should say, I know him not, I SHALL BE A LIAR like unto you:
You're just like the Pharisees, KNOWING NOT THE FATHER.
When I was in the Oneness church I knew plenty of hypocrites who watched porn, cussed, smoked and all kinds of wretched other things but still "spoke in tongues" and ran the aisles on Sunday morning.
If one looks at the trinity historically you'll find it is in a Greek form. 300 B.C. Plato wrote of the Greek triune god(s), it is disturbingly identical in concept. Consider that the Greek converts promoted the trinity and it wasn't given by G_d, but took centuries to form, we can assume it is heretical. Also 1John 5:7 was only in a margin of a few(dating in the 1300 hundreds) 'Latin' text until 1522 when Erasmus was pressured to include it.
Actually there is no "identical" concept there. Hebrew Rabbis were writing about the Triunity of God long before Jesus came to the earth. You're reading bunk history.
I also find it funny that the first thing Oneness folks need to do is rip 1 John 5:7 out of their Bible while complaining that everyone else wants to rip Mark 16:15-18 out of the Bible when Mark 16 has just as little manuscript evidence as 1 John 5:7.
The rabbis wrote about the triune god(s)? I am aware of very old texts, but you can't call them rabbis at that point and location in time. They were in fact polytheist which then argues against even a single triune god(s). Also 1John5:7 there was no doubt the 'harlot which sits upon seven hills'(aka RC Church) had it added.
My history comes from Babylon and even includes the Semitic languages including the Ugaritic. If there is no doubt, it is not hypocritical.
If you knew history as you claimed you'd understand why 'god(s)' was used! It wasn't just referring to your terms, but also the paganism that the Semitic people was involved in. They worshiped for example ba'al, and many many more. If you read the Bible you'd find references to it. Now your terminology comes of course from Greek pagan converts. The trinity can not be found in the bible. Nor did any prophets including Moses give this to us. Nor did Jesus.
O.T. era Hebrew rabbis (not baal worshippers, not idolators, not Greeks) discussed how the O.T. Canon displayed a Triune God.
For example, one eminent Rabbi named Simeon Ben Joachi said the following:
"Come and see the mystery of the word Elohim; there are three degrees, and each degree is by itself alone, and yet notwithstanding they are all one, and joined together in one, and are not divided from each other."
Now; this video is not about the Trinity. It is about baptism.
@ACallToHoliness Three "degrees". If I say "God in three degrees" you'll call me a heretic. Besides, even if Jews believe in a truiune God, they don't believe Jesus is a member of that Triunity. So why even bring it up?
@onemarktwoyou So you are saying that nowhere in the bible can you find the Godhead, all 3 in 1 working at the same time from 3 different places? If so....you're about to get a 101 in that. hahahaha!!!! I can't wait!!!!
@onemarktwoyou 1st I am a born again, bought by the blood, bible believeing, christian. I am baptist.....southern baptist. I also carry as well as study an old KJV Scoffield bible....it's pretty much worn out. I am in know way an early church expert if I haqve knowledge of the early church it's that I've studied the book of Acts and the epistles. Man has failed to do alot of things concerning the things of God. I believe the Word of God is complete in it's own self and doesn't need the feeble ..
@10uhcplz1 ...attempts of man to try to improve on it or preserve it. I know and understand full well the doctrines of salvation by faith in Christ alone and the work that will be evident afterward. When a person is born again....truely born again, that individual will begin to carry out the works of that salvation. I never said that holding a mental belief alone was enough for salvation. However....theres not one single thing you can do to gain salvation apart from the working of Jesus Christ.
@10uhcplz1 Start reading at verse 14 of that chapter. James sets up the context. "What doeth it profit, my brethern, though a man say he hath faith, and have nots works? can faith alone save him?" Verse 15,16...can we just simple say "be warmed and filled" to a hungry person and it be so? No....we have to work to get them something to meet there need. If Jesus is Lord and we have died to self there will be a working because of that work that He's done in us. Satan will believe all the way....
@10uhcplz1 ....and He will never allow Jesus Christ to be Lord of his life. We are not saved by what in our minds....or heart. Romans 12 say's "Present your BODIES a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God." No where in the bible does it say to give Him your heart. He demands all....willingly, we become a slave to the Master who bought our salcvation on the cross. If there was power in any other or anything we wouldn't need Him at all. I would diminish His power to save and would weaken..
@10uhcplz1 ....His His work on the cross. Eph. 2:8,9...and i quote, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.".....Let's go just a little bit futher so you wont think I'm pulling something out of context. verse 10, For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO good works. which God hath before ordained that we should WALK in them. What works are you boasting on for salvation? What works of....
@10uhcplz1 ..the flesh are you trusting in to gain salvation for your eternal soul? What works of the flesh that you can do will match the shedding of the blood of Christ that redeems us from our fallen state? What works are you using to cheapen the Grace of The King of Heaven that bought and paid for your salvation? Romans 10: 9,10.."That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED. For with..
@10uhcplz1 ...the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed." verse 17..."So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." One other thing....it's not an argument for me....I'm standing on the word. lol....I'll have to get back with you on the trinity and give a lesson on that next time.....got stuff to do right now. God Bless!!!!
@onemarktwoyou Hahahaha....I sent part of that to the wrong person. I wasn't wearing my glasses and messed up. Sorry about that. I will get back to you later on all of your comment. Thanks and sorry again. lol....old age.
Colossians 3:17: Whatsoever ye do in word or deed do ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS. This includes baptism. With this revelation acts 2:38 fulfills Matthew 28:19 revealing That Jesus is indeed all three.
Oneness doesn't teach baptism is salvational...[for the Bible bears record that some were baptized after being saved]. It teaches it as obedience; at least my church does. Also, understand that 'saved' in the Greek [so-zo] has many definitions, i.e. - healing, protection preservation, and the actual saving from Messianic judgment. So, it's a dangerous practice to make ppl believe they automatically are eternally saved & receive the Holy Ghost upon faith, repentance, or baptism. [Acts 19:1-6]
This is can't fit in a 3 god system. This prophetic verse says Jesus is the father and mighty god. Uh Oh!
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Trinity Response: No Jesus, you are #2 god. Show us the first god.
I dont, I have the Lord Jesus on my side and I am sticking to to him unlike you, you are changing things around about what the bible really talks about you better get someone that that can explain it to you better, like an Apostolic preacher. YOU are trying to decieve many.
@ACallToHoliness I don't think u should have left the "Unity of the Faith" but were u actually really in the "United Pentecostal Church" since u never actually came unto the "knowledge of the Son of God?" Unless u know Jesus as God the Almighty (I'm talkin about the Father!) u have not come unto the knowledge of the Son of God and have not been perfected. Eph. 4:13 U are under the influence of Sardis. Rev. 3:2-5 May God have mercy on u before His return but u may be reprobate?
@ACallToHoliness 1Peter 3:21 is saying that baptism is more than a "mere washing." Peter is not talking about an outward washing of physical dirt and such. Peter is likening baptism to a "spiritual washing" or how u now enter into the "Ark of the Lord" like Noah did long ago and was saved. If you wanted to be saved in the days of Noah u had to get in the ark. Now u gotta get in the water. It's very simple. Psalm 119:130
@swenmanwwjd12 I think you need to look at what the water of Noah represents. The flood was God s judgement upon the wicked, unrepentant world of that day. Not one drop of water touched those in the ark. The ark was sealed inside and out. God's judgement couldn't get into the ark. The ark is a perfect picture of Jesus Christ and His salvation. Sorry you're not going to be able to make a case for water baptizm salvation in 1 Peter 3:21. The ark was upon the water, not in it..... Study your bible.
@swenmanwwjd12 verse 20 says," saved by water."..... by, here means through. Saved through the water....or saved from the water. They were saved from judgement....so will all that are in Jesus and His salvation. He is The Ark. God commanded Noah to line the ark with pitch inside and out,.. Gen. 6:14. The Hebrew word for pitch is kaphar meaning to cover or atonement. God was showing them then as well as us now that we are to rest in Christ alone for salvation. No work of man....Grace thru faith.
@10uhcplz1 Yes very good, it is grace through faith, but what kind of faith? Faith alone? I don't think so. You better get bible to support that if that is what you are preaching. I got bible that says the complete opposite of faith "ALONE."
@swenmanwwjd12 Faith alone in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross.....plus nothing....minus nothing. The devil would get saved by believing alone. He would believe all the way up to calling Him Lord and Saviour....he ain't gonna do that. You add anything to the work of Christ on the cross and you're preaching works salvation and there is NO bible for that....unless you twist it ofcourse. Maybe you've got confused on what I said. Sorry it took a while to get back.
JAS 2:17-20 is 4 u 10hcplz1 MINUS the part about u believing there is 1 God of course, because u believe there is a trinity. Jas 2:17-20 "Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works:shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"
@swenmanwwjd12 You are saved unto good works or to do good works not by them. I absolutely agree....If a person is really saved he will do the works of that salvation.....the fruit of the Holy Spirit of God will be more than evident. Widen your view a little there brother....I can call you brother right. We'll get to the 1 God thing you mentioned in a little....grillin' for my wife right now.....
@10uhcplz1 and.....in case I die over the grill and don't get back....I do believe there is a trinity.....not 3 Gods as you suppose though. Sorry to disappoint....:)
@10uhcplz1 No, u do not agree with James 2:17-20. These verses r saying that if u hold a mental belief alone it is not enough u must have action to support it. It's like in court when you r asked to state your case, if u state ur case without evidence then the case is not valid and is then overturned because there is no proof.
@swenmanwwjd12 Read the comment I made to onemarktwoyou.....most of that was meant for you and I'm not redoing it. That should hold you over for a little while.
By the way Jesus did warn of people like you and others that we would be perscuted for our true belief of Jesus Christ.... I for one will be praying for all off you out there.
You cant just go by the Acts 2:38 and throw the rest of the scriptures out you have to put them all togeither to understand the meaning. Come on we all know that...
Hello 3 god worshippers!!! I have yet to find the word trinity in the bible. Plus, where does it say Ihave to understand hebrew or greek text to understand plan of salvation? Please 3 god worshippers stop adding to my bible. PRAISE THE 1 GOD JESUS!!!
ISAIAH 44:6
"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.
I have yet to find the words Incarnation, Divine-Nature, Human-Nature, Hypostatic Union, Pentecostal, or Plan of Salvation in the Bible. I guess you should abandon those too.
This guy lied from the beginning so I will not be watching the rest of what is simply an attack on Truth and not necessarily oneness pentecostalism. He said in Acts 2:38 the word "for" in the greek is "eis". However, he lied when he said "eis" in the greek means "with reference to". The truth is the greek word "eis" simply means "entrance into". Look it up for yourselves in any lexicon. Deuces.
False. Context determines meaning. Eis is used with reference to previous accomplished events repeatedly through Scripture. Mark 1:4 is one example. John baptized them because they had repentant hearts. His baptism did not cause repentance in their hearts.
@ACallToHoliness Not false. In Mark 1:4 preaching led to repentance led to confession of sins led to water baptism led to remission of sins. So "eis" is not referring at all to repentance but to remission. Nowhere is "eis" ever defined as "with reference to". Please give another example of "eis" referencing previously accomplished events.
Every time eis is used in conjunction with baptism it is used in this manner. Mathew 3:11 is the same thing. The Greek grammar is "eis metanoaian". Its referring to the repentance not the remission. A.T. Robertson points this out in the Greek grammar.
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for (eis) the remission of sins.
If eis don't mean "for the purpose of" in Acts 2:38 than it don't mean that in Matt 26:28. Stop twisting the scriptures for your own preconceived ideas.
Great example of how eis is used with the purpose of obtaining something. That shows exactly what I've been saying all along. Depending on the context the word eis can be used in multiple ways, just like any other word (for example, if I said I was "blue" you wouldn't tell me I was wrong since "blue" can only mean a color). Matthew 3, Mark 1 etc. show eis being used "with reference to" while Mt 26 is "with purpose to obtain." Thanks for proving my point!
@ACallToHoliness The point is you say it one way when it for your preconceived ideas the you say it another way in other places. ANF saw baptism for the remission of sins "for the purpose of" read any Church hx book on this matter. The way you are teaching it is NEW. Will you please show me a Church history book that's teaching it the way you are. PLEASE get back with me on this.
It is ridiculous to try to say Acts 2:38 are the "keys" given to Peter. There is no exegetical reason to make such a claim. You may believe that, but its pure fantasy.
Actually the burden of proof is on the maker of the claim, not those who demand evidence for the claim. Show exegetically why we should accept the idea that the "keys" are the UPC three step salvation plan.
Yes you must confess and boldly proclaim the holy ghost. If it is in you, he will speak for himself. Jesusislord4321 and others are making it clear that Jesus is God manifested in flesh. These scribes and pharisees are not going to get it unless the Lord draw them. The scriptures that we have posted are obviously not registering in their minds. EMANUEL!!!! GOD WITH US. TOUCH WITH THE FILLINGS OF OUR INFIRMITIES.
It funny that you think baptism don't give remission / forgiveness for sins when the so called early church fathers believed that God remitted
sins at water baptism: Justin Martyr, Irenaeus,
Origen, Tertullian, Cyprian, and Augustine. Tertullian was the first one to explicitly speak of the trinity and made up the word "trinity". They all understood baptism is "for the remission of sins". Now you come with something "NEW" teaching baptism is "because sins have already been remitted. False.
First off thats not correct, they taught that Baptism was the point of conversion because they used it as most churches today use a "sinner's prayer." The way a person responded to the Gospel was to be baptized. They did not believe that the ACT of baptism washed away sins, which is what the UPC teaches.
@ACallToHoliness WHAT! Read Tertullian, On Baptism, Ante-Nicene Fathers (ANF), Vol. III, Pages 669-679. Tertullian explicitly says baptism is for the remission of sins. Tertullian wrote "without baptism salvation is obtained by none".
Are you reading for yourself or just quoting some one else?
Tertullian also said Oneness believers was the MAJORITY of believers in his day. In his day the trinity was a NEW thing! Read ANF Vol 3 Against Praxeas 597-626.
Sorry, but its you who needs to put down David Bernard's works and read the ANF for yourself. Tertullian was not talking about Oneness in any sense of the UPC definition.
@ACallToHoliness Sir I just gave you the reference to what I just said as regard to baptism and Oneness. The facts are there: The Early Church Fathers (ECF) believed baptism was for the remission for sins and like Oneness believers do.
The point is that your concept of baptism is new not ours.
@tjmax777 1John 1:9 If we CONFESS (not BAPTISM) our sins, HE(not a BAPTIZER) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Who gives what Tertullian says, it's what the text says.
I confess in prayer everyday, if remission/forgiveness is by baptism DO YOU GET BAPTIZED EVERYDAY, if not then you're a FALSE TEACHER.
If baptism is essential for salvation then EVERYBODY is going to heaven that is baptized.Lol
@thomla7 Well the text says in Acts 2:38 that baptism was for the remission of sins but you don't believe that! 1John 1:9 was talking to people that have already gotten baptized for the remission of sins. It's telling them how to get forgiveness of sins IF they sin after they have already gotten baptized, by confessing to God.
Read the text it talking to saved people.
Tertullian was to show that this is nothing new that's all.
@tjmax777 Much love too but do u know how to rightly divide God's word?
I understand Acts 2:38 with other scriptures that does not contradict it as in
V41 Then they that gladly RECEIVED his word WERE baptized.
They were not baptized TO receive but baptized BECAUSE they ALREADY BELIEVED therefore already SAVED.
Acts 2:38 "for" greek eis, points back to the CROSS where their sins are ALREADY FORGIVEN b/c without the shedding of blood there is NO FORGIVENESS Heb.9:22 not WITHOUT BAPTISM.
@tjmax777 "That's what the Bible says in Acts 2:38 and 1 John 1:9"
Let's get this straight FORGIVNESS/REMISSION by God is only by and thru JESUS.
Luke 11:2 When ye PRAY, V4 And forgive us our sins
Jesus NEVER taught forgiveness by baptism.
Luke 18:11-14 The pharisee doer was NOT JUSTIFIED but the publican was JUSTFIFIED without WORKS by DEPENDING GOD for MERCY because his WORK of RIGHTEOUNESS.
Doctrine matters. Paul told Timothy to take heed unto the doctrine because it would both save him and those who heard him. There will be millions of baptized people in hell.
Yes it does, that is why we are here to correct this false doctrine but my point is, yes many will be in hell that are BAPTIZED but if baptism is a MUST for salvation, then they should NOT be in hell and that is what makes them a LIAR.
Who we will find in hell is UNBELIEVERS not the UNBAPTIZED, am i right?
Heb. 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of UNBELIEF
John3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned:he that believeth NOT is condemned
@ACallToHoliness I have read it, and that is what us Oneness believe about God. Tertullian slander us but using the word "Patripassian" and calling us simple and unlearned. I'm not UPC but I am Oneness and they are my brothers.
The fact is Tertullian said us Oneness were the MAJORITY that early in Church history. That's because we were FIRST. and the trinity came later. The trinity was an evolution - not complete until the Council of Constantinople 381 A.D.
He does not say that "Oneness" was the majority. Read the quote carefully in its context. He says that the majority of people are usually in doctrinal error. He is speaking of error in general not necessarily Oneness. Its the same way today. The way is narrow and FEW there be that find it.
@ACallToHoliness Are you serious? Read the whole context. He was talking about Praxeas and the Oneness people. He even said they were STARTLED at the doctrine of the trinity. I believe that's because they had NEVER HEARD OF THE TRINITY!
Read the whole context. Every book on Church History I have ever pick up has stated that much about Oneness. You are the only one that have said different. You call us a cult when you are the one making up your own way not us.
You must not have picked up many church history books then other than those published by the UPC like "After the way they call heresy" which is the biggest joke history book ever published.
@ACallToHoliness I just gave you the reference where Tertullian wrote "without baptism salvation is obtained by none". So you are the one perverting what was said not me. Please read the ECF for YOURSELF to see what they believed about baptism.
Much love to you, but you are so wrong about this matter.
The reason Tertullian wrote that was because Gnostics were saying that water baptism was irrelevant and should be practiced at all. Tertullian did not believe that the act of baptism washed away sins. You need to take a step back and learn your history a little better.
@ACallToHoliness Tertullian wrote "without baptism salvation is obtained by none". It can't be more clear than that. You are the one perverting not me.
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Well I guess remission of sins don't mean that in this verse also????????????
when was the last time u prayed through man. if your not being spirit led its not of god. its not by might nor by power but by my spirit says the lord
abc5432139 1 day ago
Ok well that explains it then. You once knew the truth but turn aside for vain janglings. Well, remember that we all are told to earnest contend for the faith once delivered unto the early saints (by Jude in 66 AD). When a person is baptized they then recieve salvation and the infilling of the holy ghost without tongues needed. Tongues manifest another gift called the gift of the Holy Spirit with tongues evidence- it's the latter rain. You know the truth but refuse to heed it (Rom 1:16-17). Bye.
acts2and38ministries 3 days ago
@acts2and38ministries
I was once deceived until I decided to examine my religion by God's Word. You are using bogus history as the last quarter of this video proves. Please actually watch the video.
ACallToHoliness 2 days ago
Plainly state the baptismal mode and manner that YOU have baptized into and why. Waiting for a real reply...
acts2and38ministries 3 days ago
@acts2and38ministries
Please watch the videos. This is wasting time. If you would have watched the videos you would know that I was baptized in the Acts 2:38 formula by immersion since I was an Ordained Apostolic Pentecostal preacher and missionary. Please watch the videos first before making any more comments.
ACallToHoliness 3 days ago
Thirdly, you still have not explained out by what means are you saved (baptized into) by sufficiently. My sufficiency is in Christ (Jesus) (Col 2:8-23). "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." He alone is the way to God (Jo 14:6). In His name and by His blood we are saved! (Heb 4:15; 9:22-23; Jo 1:29; Act 2:38; 4:12)! reply
acts2and38ministries 3 days ago
First of all I'm not UPC. Secondly, I do believe by His grace and our faith, we have been created in Jesus unto good works as Eph 2:8-10 correctly states. For by GRACE are YE SAVED through FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should WALK IN THEM." We are new Creatures in CHRIST JESUS (Gal 3:27; 2 Cor 5:17) and not the trinity.
acts2and38ministries 3 days ago
Are you baptized into the man made invented trinity?
acts2and38ministries 4 days ago
Well, all due respect but your credibilty is destroyed here by your lack of Scriptural answers given or not said. Acts 2:38 stands strong as the word of God will not wrestled or twisted by any man, no matter whom they seem to be. Well that's all folks we will never know how this individual beliefs on salvation. Too bad. He should of studied to show himself approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of truth lest he be ashamed. I'm not ashamed of Christ, as I have placed His name in my baptism.
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@acts2and38ministries
The answers are in the video. This video has over 8,100 views so far. My other videos have over 30,000 views. I don't have time to explain every detail of my theology to every individual person on YouTube comment boxes. Thats why I made the 1 hour 16 minute video....
ACallToHoliness 4 days ago
Well, appearantly you do not want to give out your secret formula of salvation. Anyhow I already him by history in a message earlier how that baptism by belief was required by the early church. In fact until Zwingli all baptisms were considered unto salvation. I also showed you by history again how that the three Billy's (Sunday, Graham and Bright) all formulated the Sinner's Prayer and easy believism. Lastly, the scriptures all have only Jesus name baptisms. The apostles all did it that way!Bye
acts2and38ministries 1 week ago
@acts2and38ministries saved by grace through faith, by calling on his name, by believing Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. Beware lest your own identification with Him becomes a substitute for HIS death burial resurrection. In the upc there is more focus on what we do than on what HE has already done to save us. I belive you may be confusing the sinners response to the cross with salvation itself. But you never asked me anyway so sorry about that. but I believe it
musicmusing 3 days ago
Ok. How does one become born again? Regeneration. As you say there's no way or method? Are you Bruce Lee? Using no way as a way, or what? I mean what is the cause to the effect. directly say so.
acts2and38ministries 1 week ago
Sir, let's respect one another. I asked you a genuine question. How does one become saved according to you? Please respond back just to that simple and direct qeustion. This is a question and not an attack. God bless all that follow His word, in His name of Jesus.
acts2and38ministries 1 week ago
@acts2and38ministries
I don't believe in a "get saved" mentality of any kind of prayer or method. Each person will have to respond differently to enter into the Kingdom of God. There is no canned message or method. Thats why to better understand where I'm coming from you should reference the other material provided.
Salvation is taking on the character and nature of Christ, being a partaker of the Divine Nature, being born of the Incorruptible Seed of God. It is not a method.
ACallToHoliness 1 week ago
Last question. How do get saved according to you? Is it by the Sinner's Prayer (which can shown to come from Zwungli's false interpretation of the scriptures)? Or by easy believism (meaning that you faith apart from works now saves you (contradicts James 2:19-25, matt 6:29, 1 John 3:16-18, ect)? When is a person saved according to your philosphy? Because it's very obvious that your saying Peter and the rest of the apostles spoke lies or did not know your salvation formula. Therefore they sinned!
acts2and38ministries 1 week ago
@acts2and38ministries
The sinner's prayer is heresy. You may wish to watch my other videos particularly "The Failure of the Protestant Reformation & Evangelicalism" and "Three Lies of the Modern Church" if you would like more info on what I believe about salvation. Also, there are several resources available on our web site that explain in detail far better than a YouTube comment box can. Thanks.
ACallToHoliness 1 week ago
As per your false argument. Dr. Alexander (Presbyterian) says, "The whole phrase, to (or toward) remission of sins, describes this as the end to which the multitude had reference, and which, therefore, must be contemplated in the answer." Again: "The beneficial end to which all this led was the remission of sins."
acts2and38ministries 1 week ago
@acts2and38ministries
I'm surprised you would reference a hell bound, Calvinist, three-god worshipping pagan like that as evidence for your view.
ACallToHoliness 1 week ago
Dr. Hackett (Baptist) expresses himself still more satisfactorily: "eis aphesin hamartion, in order to the forgiveness of sins, (Matt. 26:28 Luke iii: 3,) we connect, naturally, with the both the preceding verbs. This clause states the motive or object which should induce them to repent and be baptized. It enforces the entire exhortation, not one part of it to the exclusion of the other."
acts2and38ministries 1 week ago
Regardless how you try to deny it, every single apostle to include Matthew (he was there and helped in the baptism of 3,000 Jews in the name of Jesus) baptized into the name of Jesus. Paul also did. Read Acts 2:38-22:16, Rom 6:4, Gal 3:27, Col 3:17, ect.
acts2and38ministries 1 week ago
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@acts2and38ministries "(he was there and helped in the baptism of 3,000 Jews in the name of Jesus)" Yep, that's what they DID, but the question is, "What did they SAY while they DID it?"
lllannallll 5 days ago
You are a joke and so is your video.
Pentecostyes 1 week ago
"faith without action is dead",you want to change your like?...Example..you are a smoker,you want to change your life,so you commit to your self "i will not take cigarettes",but every time still you are smoking!! yes you have faith but have not accompanied by action..
sorry if i have wrong grammar^^
143whatsnew 1 week ago
@143whatsnew
Faith without works is dead.
ACallToHoliness 1 week ago
LOLOLOL, HAHAHAHA OMG this is a joke.
Pentecostyes 1 week ago
@Pentecostyes
Repent. You just used the name of the Lord in vain.
ACallToHoliness 1 week ago
@ACallToHoliness But isn't that what Thomas did in John 20:28 in ur eyes? And so why do u have a problem with it now? Or else what is ur "OWN" personal "trinitarian" interpretation of this verse? Just try to explain away what is ur only option which is that Thomas "blasphemed." I know the truth and it is that Thomas CONFESSED Jesus as God (who is the Father). Blasphemy is sin and I don't know what pentecostyes meant but what u r doing sir will bring greater damnation.
swenmanwwjd12 1 week ago
@ACallToHoliness Also, u don't confess someone as God & not mean the Father which is prob what ur gonna try to say to. When it says Thomas "answered" and said unto him, the greek word for "answered" is apokrinomai" which means to "conclude for oneself." This means that Thomas "concluded" Him to be God the Father.
swenmanwwjd12 1 week ago
@ACallToHoliness "apokrinomai"
swenmanwwjd12 1 week ago
@ACallToHoliness He could have meant "goodness"....but I'll let God be the judge.
swenmanwwjd12 1 week ago
@ACallToHoliness Actually u have another option... and that is also to CONFESS like Thomas did. CONFESSION is made unto salvation Romans 10 u know it. Don't forget the word "UNTO"
swenmanwwjd12 1 week ago
This person is LOST
PentecostForeverMore 1 week ago
@PentecostForeverMore I was lost, but now I'm found.
ACallToHoliness 1 week ago
Acts 2:42
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles 'doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Ms987564 1 week ago
@Ms987564 It's like this.....our wives don't have husband until we are dead to self so Christ can live thru us...our kids don't know a daddy until they see Jesus living in us and thru us. The neighbors have a selfish, self centered, egotistical, degenerate living next door to them until we die to self and allow JESUS to call the shots and have breath in us......GOT ME TO PREACHIN'....!!!!! Praise God!!!! CAN A BROTHER GET A LITTLE HELP UP IN HERE?!!!!!! Love ya'll Happy Valentines Day
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@Ms987564 I agree. It's about the relationship with Him. It has nothing to do with what I think of your relationship with Him. You do what He is telling you to do.....that's what the name thing is all about anyway. I came on business for the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. It's what He says and how He says that we MUST be busy doing. We DO NOT TAKE ORDERS FROM ANOTHER.....only our LORD. We can pray in our schools when we submit to the Lord Jesus and worry about obeying Him instead of govrnment.
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
Whew, what a mess! LOL!
Pentecostyes 2 weeks ago
lets use the whole scripture not just the part we want to hear. i believe that all scripture works together cant pick and choose. witch scriptures to use for salvation they all work together.think about it . would u bake a cake and not use sugar or flour
Ms987564 2 weeks ago
Pastor of the church sold his house to build the church. He's not after money......it's all about Jesus .sold his house for a church to preach about Jesus to teach about Jesus to baptize in Jesus name . How much do you give for the cause of Jesus ????? How much do you believe in Jesus ????
Ms987564 2 weeks ago
Close to it I share my car my food any thing I can do to help my fellow brother or sister in the lord .
Ms987564 2 weeks ago
Acts 2:42
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles 'doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Ms987564 2 weeks ago
@Ms987564
One of the ways they did that was by selling all their private property to be distributed equally on a needs basis within the congregation. Does YOUR "apostolic" church follow that part of the Apostle's doctrine?
ACallToHoliness 2 weeks ago
@ACallToHoliness do you think it is the will of God that they sell their properties? have you read it?
uzzielvismanos 1 week ago
(Mar 16:16) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
what does this mean to you ?????????????????????does it meean what it says or is there more to it.
Ms987564 2 weeks ago
@Ms987564
Why do you Oneness people post things like this? WATCH THE VIDEO everything is covered there including the verses you mentioned! Watch the video FIRST before posting comments that waste time!
ACallToHoliness 2 weeks ago
@ACallToHoliness its funny that you know people are oneness i never told you dont want to watch full vidio because your not being led by the holyghost. your just telling people lies. the word of the lord is true. if its not in the word of god dont do it .you should be able to back your words with sripture .(1Ti 1:4) Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
Ms987564 2 weeks ago
@ACallToHoliness Plus it says he that believeth not is damned. It doesn't say he that believeth not AND is baptized not is damned. He would have a point if it said that
blakodeel 2 weeks ago
@ACallToHoliness
I can't believe you, coward, I bet you were filled with hate when posting this.
Did you know preaching can be your idol? Follow God not yourself!
PentecostForeverMore 1 week ago
@Ms987564 Romans 6:3-5 will begin to explain this verse. Baptism goes much much deeper than water. Water baptizm is a figure or a picture or testimony of an inward act and that being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is in the finished work of Christ and christ alone that we put our trust and are saved. Baptized into Christ should be the translation. See 1 Cort 1:17, 12:13, Gal.3:27, Eph. 4:5, Col 2:11. I think you can come to a better understanding with this in mind.
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
what do these scriptures mean is there more to them
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Ms987564 2 weeks ago
(1Pe 3:21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:(Act 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(Mar 16:11) And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.
Ms987564 2 weeks ago
(Mat 26:28) For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
theif on the croos jesus had not yet died so the new testament had not started yet
Ms987564 2 weeks ago
@Ms987564
You need to go back and read your Bible. It says the thief on the cross died AFTER JESUS because they had to break his legs to kill him, but Jesus' legs were not broken because he was already dead!
ACallToHoliness 2 weeks ago
Titus 3:5 says"He saved us by washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost" But there were many in Acts who did not receive that Spirit automatically upon believing. It did not happen by "repeating a prayer and meaning it with all your heart." And yes, salvation is only one step, but that one step is the step that GOD takes by renewing us in the Holy Ghost (Titus 3:5). Repentance and Baptism don't save you, but they are still required by God to clear the way for salvation.
eflint1 2 weeks ago
After 1,000 comments on this video no Oneness Pentecostal has yet been able to refute the Scriptures in this video. They continue to simply quote other verses, show bogus history, make personal attacks or bring up the Trinity.
They have NO foundation because they have not Christ. 1 Corinthians 3:11
ACallToHoliness 3 weeks ago
@thomla7 it's because of our SAVIOUR we are baptised
Baideybabe 1 month ago
@stonecold474
There is no doubt that the triune god concept dates back to Babylon. Although the question is where the former Christians obtained it. The definition used by modern trinitiarian was the exact form that was written by Plato. Showing that Greek pagan converts wouldn't convert without concessions.
onemarktwoyou 1 month ago
@onemarktwoyou I agree
stonecold474 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@onemarktwoyou
Quote to us the "exact form that was written by Plato" or be found a liar! Rev 21:8!
ACallToHoliness 3 weeks ago
@ACallToHoliness
---Agathon, God or Father. ---Logos, the Word. ---Psyche, "spirit or ghost".
I can honestly say in person I wouldn't like you. You pull bible verses as a gunfighter pulls a gun. Without care! And honestly most people who do this I have found to be the biggest hypocrites. Matthew 7:1-5, I can do this as well! But the verses should be used to back your beliefs not to attack others. G_d's words should not be used as a weapon, but a light! Praise be to the Lord.
onemarktwoyou 3 weeks ago
@thomla7 Behold Oneness brothers. You can clearly see who are real children of the 1 God Jesus. Consider the vulgar language is used in thomla7 message. Jesus forgive him for he doesn't know what he speaks of.
Matthew 7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
stonecold474 1 month ago
@stonecold474 It's called righteous anger.
Get this, when i call u a LIAR b/c of you're doctrine, i did not put u in that classification, SCRIPTURE says your a LIAR, even JESUS himself.
John 8:54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my FATHER that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55Yet ye have not known HIM; but I KNOW HIM: and if I should say, I know him not, I SHALL BE A LIAR like unto you:
You're just like the Pharisees, KNOWING NOT THE FATHER.
thomla7 1 month ago
@stonecold474
When I was in the Oneness church I knew plenty of hypocrites who watched porn, cussed, smoked and all kinds of wretched other things but still "spoke in tongues" and ran the aisles on Sunday morning.
ACallToHoliness 3 weeks ago
Didache Writing dated from 100 A.D. earliest.
If one looks at the trinity historically you'll find it is in a Greek form. 300 B.C. Plato wrote of the Greek triune god(s), it is disturbingly identical in concept. Consider that the Greek converts promoted the trinity and it wasn't given by G_d, but took centuries to form, we can assume it is heretical. Also 1John 5:7 was only in a margin of a few(dating in the 1300 hundreds) 'Latin' text until 1522 when Erasmus was pressured to include it.
onemarktwoyou 1 month ago
@onemarktwoyou
Actually there is no "identical" concept there. Hebrew Rabbis were writing about the Triunity of God long before Jesus came to the earth. You're reading bunk history.
I also find it funny that the first thing Oneness folks need to do is rip 1 John 5:7 out of their Bible while complaining that everyone else wants to rip Mark 16:15-18 out of the Bible when Mark 16 has just as little manuscript evidence as 1 John 5:7.
Total hypocrisy.
ACallToHoliness 3 weeks ago
@ACallToHoliness
The rabbis wrote about the triune god(s)? I am aware of very old texts, but you can't call them rabbis at that point and location in time. They were in fact polytheist which then argues against even a single triune god(s). Also 1John5:7 there was no doubt the 'harlot which sits upon seven hills'(aka RC Church) had it added.
My history comes from Babylon and even includes the Semitic languages including the Ugaritic. If there is no doubt, it is not hypocritical.
onemarktwoyou 3 weeks ago
@onemarktwoyou
Triune God SINGULAR not plural. If you can't argue without posting infinite numbers of straw man arguments you should stop.
ACallToHoliness 3 weeks ago
@ACallToHoliness
If you knew history as you claimed you'd understand why 'god(s)' was used! It wasn't just referring to your terms, but also the paganism that the Semitic people was involved in. They worshiped for example ba'al, and many many more. If you read the Bible you'd find references to it. Now your terminology comes of course from Greek pagan converts. The trinity can not be found in the bible. Nor did any prophets including Moses give this to us. Nor did Jesus.
onemarktwoyou 3 weeks ago
@onemarktwoyou
O.T. era Hebrew rabbis (not baal worshippers, not idolators, not Greeks) discussed how the O.T. Canon displayed a Triune God.
For example, one eminent Rabbi named Simeon Ben Joachi said the following:
"Come and see the mystery of the word Elohim; there are three degrees, and each degree is by itself alone, and yet notwithstanding they are all one, and joined together in one, and are not divided from each other."
Now; this video is not about the Trinity. It is about baptism.
ACallToHoliness 3 weeks ago
@ACallToHoliness Three "degrees". If I say "God in three degrees" you'll call me a heretic. Besides, even if Jews believe in a truiune God, they don't believe Jesus is a member of that Triunity. So why even bring it up?
eflint1 2 weeks ago
@eflint1 jews also crucified Jesus because they did not know who he really was god in flesh right thats why the killed him
Ms987564 2 weeks ago
@onemarktwoyou So you are saying that nowhere in the bible can you find the Godhead, all 3 in 1 working at the same time from 3 different places? If so....you're about to get a 101 in that. hahahaha!!!! I can't wait!!!!
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@10uhcplz1
Let me guess! Your a catholic? You are another expert on the early church?
1st I believe there is a G-d Head. Not a trinity.
2nd I believe in Jesus' divinity. I am not a JW or Mormon.
3rd I am a 'sola scriptura-ist'. But I believe man failed to completely preserve scripture by man's own iniquity.
Let's here your argument. Please note chapter and verse with your explanation. I gave you a run down on my thoughts to speed up your argument.
onemarktwoyou 1 week ago
@onemarktwoyou 1st I am a born again, bought by the blood, bible believeing, christian. I am baptist.....southern baptist. I also carry as well as study an old KJV Scoffield bible....it's pretty much worn out. I am in know way an early church expert if I haqve knowledge of the early church it's that I've studied the book of Acts and the epistles. Man has failed to do alot of things concerning the things of God. I believe the Word of God is complete in it's own self and doesn't need the feeble ..
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@10uhcplz1 ...attempts of man to try to improve on it or preserve it. I know and understand full well the doctrines of salvation by faith in Christ alone and the work that will be evident afterward. When a person is born again....truely born again, that individual will begin to carry out the works of that salvation. I never said that holding a mental belief alone was enough for salvation. However....theres not one single thing you can do to gain salvation apart from the working of Jesus Christ.
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@10uhcplz1 Start reading at verse 14 of that chapter. James sets up the context. "What doeth it profit, my brethern, though a man say he hath faith, and have nots works? can faith alone save him?" Verse 15,16...can we just simple say "be warmed and filled" to a hungry person and it be so? No....we have to work to get them something to meet there need. If Jesus is Lord and we have died to self there will be a working because of that work that He's done in us. Satan will believe all the way....
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@10uhcplz1 ....and He will never allow Jesus Christ to be Lord of his life. We are not saved by what in our minds....or heart. Romans 12 say's "Present your BODIES a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God." No where in the bible does it say to give Him your heart. He demands all....willingly, we become a slave to the Master who bought our salcvation on the cross. If there was power in any other or anything we wouldn't need Him at all. I would diminish His power to save and would weaken..
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@10uhcplz1 ....His His work on the cross. Eph. 2:8,9...and i quote, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.".....Let's go just a little bit futher so you wont think I'm pulling something out of context. verse 10, For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO good works. which God hath before ordained that we should WALK in them. What works are you boasting on for salvation? What works of....
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@10uhcplz1 ..the flesh are you trusting in to gain salvation for your eternal soul? What works of the flesh that you can do will match the shedding of the blood of Christ that redeems us from our fallen state? What works are you using to cheapen the Grace of The King of Heaven that bought and paid for your salvation? Romans 10: 9,10.."That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED. For with..
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@10uhcplz1 ...the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed." verse 17..."So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." One other thing....it's not an argument for me....I'm standing on the word. lol....I'll have to get back with you on the trinity and give a lesson on that next time.....got stuff to do right now. God Bless!!!!
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@10uhcplz1 well said
musicmusing 1 week ago
@onemarktwoyou Hahahaha....I sent part of that to the wrong person. I wasn't wearing my glasses and messed up. Sorry about that. I will get back to you later on all of your comment. Thanks and sorry again. lol....old age.
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
The Devil believes is he saved
tiano1965 1 month ago
@tiano1965
Where does the bible say THAT?
ACallToHoliness 3 weeks ago
If you believe you will follow through with the rest of what Peter commanded to do
tiano1965 1 month ago
Then the Devil is saved because he Believes
tiano1965 1 month ago
@tiano1965
You obviously don't understand the true nature of believing.
ACallToHoliness 3 weeks ago
a man must be born of the water and spirit or he can,t enter into the Kingdom of God
tiano1965 1 month ago
Colossians 3:17: Whatsoever ye do in word or deed do ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS. This includes baptism. With this revelation acts 2:38 fulfills Matthew 28:19 revealing That Jesus is indeed all three.
mikezap1800 1 month ago
@mikezap1800
If Matthew 28:19 was written years after the "revelation" why doesn't it reveal it?
ACallToHoliness 3 weeks ago
@ACallToHoliness please explain your question a little better
mikezap1800 3 weeks ago
You have to baptized in order to be saved.
Acts 2:38 is a must. If you don't believe that then rip mark 16:16 and tell the almighty Jesus he's a liar.
stonecold474 1 month ago
@stonecold474 amen brother preach it
Baideybabe 1 month ago
Oneness doesn't teach baptism is salvational...[for the Bible bears record that some were baptized after being saved]. It teaches it as obedience; at least my church does. Also, understand that 'saved' in the Greek [so-zo] has many definitions, i.e. - healing, protection preservation, and the actual saving from Messianic judgment. So, it's a dangerous practice to make ppl believe they automatically are eternally saved & receive the Holy Ghost upon faith, repentance, or baptism. [Acts 19:1-6]
alchemistickolaj 1 month ago
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This is can't fit in a 3 god system. This prophetic verse says Jesus is the father and mighty god. Uh Oh!
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace.
stonecold474 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
John 14
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Trinity Response: No Jesus, you are #2 god. Show us the first god.
stonecold474 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@stonecold474 That's pretty good, are you Apostolic brother? :)
swenmanwwjd12 1 month ago
@swenmanwwjd12 Yes brother, I was born into the kingdom in 2000. I was lied to
by the assemblies of god church thinking I was saved. I was truly searching and Jesus
sent a brother and this time I around I got filled with holy ghost by witness of tongues
and submerged into the water passing through the Red Sea. Praise Jesus! The 1GOD!
stonecold474 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
I dont, I have the Lord Jesus on my side and I am sticking to to him unlike you, you are changing things around about what the bible really talks about you better get someone that that can explain it to you better, like an Apostolic preacher. YOU are trying to decieve many.
voorhies69 1 month ago
@voorhies69
You don't have Jesus. If you are Oneness you're an Anti-Christ
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness I don't think u should have left the "Unity of the Faith" but were u actually really in the "United Pentecostal Church" since u never actually came unto the "knowledge of the Son of God?" Unless u know Jesus as God the Almighty (I'm talkin about the Father!) u have not come unto the knowledge of the Son of God and have not been perfected. Eph. 4:13 U are under the influence of Sardis. Rev. 3:2-5 May God have mercy on u before His return but u may be reprobate?
swenmanwwjd12 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness 1Peter 3:21 is saying that baptism is more than a "mere washing." Peter is not talking about an outward washing of physical dirt and such. Peter is likening baptism to a "spiritual washing" or how u now enter into the "Ark of the Lord" like Noah did long ago and was saved. If you wanted to be saved in the days of Noah u had to get in the ark. Now u gotta get in the water. It's very simple. Psalm 119:130
swenmanwwjd12 1 month ago
@swenmanwwjd12 I think you need to look at what the water of Noah represents. The flood was God s judgement upon the wicked, unrepentant world of that day. Not one drop of water touched those in the ark. The ark was sealed inside and out. God's judgement couldn't get into the ark. The ark is a perfect picture of Jesus Christ and His salvation. Sorry you're not going to be able to make a case for water baptizm salvation in 1 Peter 3:21. The ark was upon the water, not in it..... Study your bible.
10uhcplz1 1 month ago
@swenmanwwjd12 verse 20 says," saved by water."..... by, here means through. Saved through the water....or saved from the water. They were saved from judgement....so will all that are in Jesus and His salvation. He is The Ark. God commanded Noah to line the ark with pitch inside and out,.. Gen. 6:14. The Hebrew word for pitch is kaphar meaning to cover or atonement. God was showing them then as well as us now that we are to rest in Christ alone for salvation. No work of man....Grace thru faith.
10uhcplz1 1 month ago
@10uhcplz1 Yes very good, it is grace through faith, but what kind of faith? Faith alone? I don't think so. You better get bible to support that if that is what you are preaching. I got bible that says the complete opposite of faith "ALONE."
swenmanwwjd12 4 weeks ago
@swenmanwwjd12 Faith alone in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross.....plus nothing....minus nothing. The devil would get saved by believing alone. He would believe all the way up to calling Him Lord and Saviour....he ain't gonna do that. You add anything to the work of Christ on the cross and you're preaching works salvation and there is NO bible for that....unless you twist it ofcourse. Maybe you've got confused on what I said. Sorry it took a while to get back.
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
JAS 2:17-20 is 4 u 10hcplz1 MINUS the part about u believing there is 1 God of course, because u believe there is a trinity. Jas 2:17-20 "Even so faith, if it hath not works is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works:shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"
swenmanwwjd12 1 week ago
@swenmanwwjd12 You are saved unto good works or to do good works not by them. I absolutely agree....If a person is really saved he will do the works of that salvation.....the fruit of the Holy Spirit of God will be more than evident. Widen your view a little there brother....I can call you brother right. We'll get to the 1 God thing you mentioned in a little....grillin' for my wife right now.....
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@10uhcplz1 and.....in case I die over the grill and don't get back....I do believe there is a trinity.....not 3 Gods as you suppose though. Sorry to disappoint....:)
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@10uhcplz1 No, u do not agree with James 2:17-20. These verses r saying that if u hold a mental belief alone it is not enough u must have action to support it. It's like in court when you r asked to state your case, if u state ur case without evidence then the case is not valid and is then overturned because there is no proof.
swenmanwwjd12 1 week ago
@swenmanwwjd12 Read the comment I made to onemarktwoyou.....most of that was meant for you and I'm not redoing it. That should hold you over for a little while.
10uhcplz1 1 week ago
@10uhcplz1 I use to think much like u. Try finding the scripture that says "believing is ur baptism."
swenmanwwjd12 1 week ago
By the way Jesus did warn of people like you and others that we would be perscuted for our true belief of Jesus Christ.... I for one will be praying for all off you out there.
voorhies69 1 month ago
@voorhies69
This is not persecution. If you think this is persecution, I fear for you.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
You cant just go by the Acts 2:38 and throw the rest of the scriptures out you have to put them all togeither to understand the meaning. Come on we all know that...
voorhies69 1 month ago
@voorhies69
Thats why this video addresses the most common verses used by Oneness folks in their contexts.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
Hello 3 god worshippers!!! I have yet to find the word trinity in the bible. Plus, where does it say Ihave to understand hebrew or greek text to understand plan of salvation? Please 3 god worshippers stop adding to my bible. PRAISE THE 1 GOD JESUS!!!
ISAIAH 44:6
"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.
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@stonecold474
I have yet to find the words Incarnation, Divine-Nature, Human-Nature, Hypostatic Union, Pentecostal, or Plan of Salvation in the Bible. I guess you should abandon those too.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
This guy lied from the beginning so I will not be watching the rest of what is simply an attack on Truth and not necessarily oneness pentecostalism. He said in Acts 2:38 the word "for" in the greek is "eis". However, he lied when he said "eis" in the greek means "with reference to". The truth is the greek word "eis" simply means "entrance into". Look it up for yourselves in any lexicon. Deuces.
czhff9 1 month ago
@czhff9
False. Context determines meaning. Eis is used with reference to previous accomplished events repeatedly through Scripture. Mark 1:4 is one example. John baptized them because they had repentant hearts. His baptism did not cause repentance in their hearts.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness Not false. In Mark 1:4 preaching led to repentance led to confession of sins led to water baptism led to remission of sins. So "eis" is not referring at all to repentance but to remission. Nowhere is "eis" ever defined as "with reference to". Please give another example of "eis" referencing previously accomplished events.
czhff9 1 month ago
@czhff9
Every time eis is used in conjunction with baptism it is used in this manner. Mathew 3:11 is the same thing. The Greek grammar is "eis metanoaian". Its referring to the repentance not the remission. A.T. Robertson points this out in the Greek grammar.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness Matthew 26:28 (KJV)
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for (eis) the remission of sins.
If eis don't mean "for the purpose of" in Acts 2:38 than it don't mean that in Matt 26:28. Stop twisting the scriptures for your own preconceived ideas.
tjmax777 1 month ago
@tjmax777
Great example of how eis is used with the purpose of obtaining something. That shows exactly what I've been saying all along. Depending on the context the word eis can be used in multiple ways, just like any other word (for example, if I said I was "blue" you wouldn't tell me I was wrong since "blue" can only mean a color). Matthew 3, Mark 1 etc. show eis being used "with reference to" while Mt 26 is "with purpose to obtain." Thanks for proving my point!
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness The point is you say it one way when it for your preconceived ideas the you say it another way in other places. ANF saw baptism for the remission of sins "for the purpose of" read any Church hx book on this matter. The way you are teaching it is NEW. Will you please show me a Church history book that's teaching it the way you are. PLEASE get back with me on this.
tjmax777 1 month ago
@tjmax777
So now you go to the ANF as your authority? Thats laughable since the ANF isn't even remotely close to the UPC in any doctrine.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
If believing was only necessary in acts 10 then why did Peter command them to be Baptized right after they had believed and received the Holyghost?
Shiftybf2 1 month ago
@Shiftybf2
Because baptism is the first act of obedience.
If baptism were necessary to wash away sins why did God fill a hell bound sinner with the Holy Ghost?
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
MARK 16:16
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
stonecold474 1 month ago
@stonecold474
Covered in the video.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
THIS IS A SATANIC VIDEO!!!
ACTS 2:38 WILL BRING YOU INTO THE KINGDOM OF JESUS CHRIST!
READ JOHN 3:5
READ MATT 16:19 PAUL WAS HANDED KEYS TO THE KINGDOM
IN THAT SAME CHAPTER JESUS SAID UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH
READ ACTS 2 ITS THE BEGINNING OF THE CHURCH AND VERSE 38 IS THE KEYS
stonecold474 1 month ago
@stonecold474
It is ridiculous to try to say Acts 2:38 are the "keys" given to Peter. There is no exegetical reason to make such a claim. You may believe that, but its pure fantasy.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness You need to explain the keys then. Thank you.
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@stonecold474
Actually the burden of proof is on the maker of the claim, not those who demand evidence for the claim. Show exegetically why we should accept the idea that the "keys" are the UPC three step salvation plan.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
Yes you must confess and boldly proclaim the holy ghost. If it is in you, he will speak for himself. Jesusislord4321 and others are making it clear that Jesus is God manifested in flesh. These scribes and pharisees are not going to get it unless the Lord draw them. The scriptures that we have posted are obviously not registering in their minds. EMANUEL!!!! GOD WITH US. TOUCH WITH THE FILLINGS OF OUR INFIRMITIES.
TyHutch1978 1 month ago
It funny that you think baptism don't give remission / forgiveness for sins when the so called early church fathers believed that God remitted
sins at water baptism: Justin Martyr, Irenaeus,
Origen, Tertullian, Cyprian, and Augustine. Tertullian was the first one to explicitly speak of the trinity and made up the word "trinity". They all understood baptism is "for the remission of sins". Now you come with something "NEW" teaching baptism is "because sins have already been remitted. False.
tjmax777 1 month ago
@tjmax777
First off thats not correct, they taught that Baptism was the point of conversion because they used it as most churches today use a "sinner's prayer." The way a person responded to the Gospel was to be baptized. They did not believe that the ACT of baptism washed away sins, which is what the UPC teaches.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness WHAT! Read Tertullian, On Baptism, Ante-Nicene Fathers (ANF), Vol. III, Pages 669-679. Tertullian explicitly says baptism is for the remission of sins. Tertullian wrote "without baptism salvation is obtained by none".
Are you reading for yourself or just quoting some one else?
Tertullian also said Oneness believers was the MAJORITY of believers in his day. In his day the trinity was a NEW thing! Read ANF Vol 3 Against Praxeas 597-626.
Just tell the truth!
tjmax777 1 month ago
@tjmax777
Sorry, but its you who needs to put down David Bernard's works and read the ANF for yourself. Tertullian was not talking about Oneness in any sense of the UPC definition.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness Sir I just gave you the reference to what I just said as regard to baptism and Oneness. The facts are there: The Early Church Fathers (ECF) believed baptism was for the remission for sins and like Oneness believers do.
The point is that your concept of baptism is new not ours.
tjmax777 1 month ago
@tjmax777 1John 1:9 If we CONFESS (not BAPTISM) our sins, HE(not a BAPTIZER) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Who gives what Tertullian says, it's what the text says.
I confess in prayer everyday, if remission/forgiveness is by baptism DO YOU GET BAPTIZED EVERYDAY, if not then you're a FALSE TEACHER.
If baptism is essential for salvation then EVERYBODY is going to heaven that is baptized.Lol
thomla7 1 month ago
@thomla7 Well the text says in Acts 2:38 that baptism was for the remission of sins but you don't believe that! 1John 1:9 was talking to people that have already gotten baptized for the remission of sins. It's telling them how to get forgiveness of sins IF they sin after they have already gotten baptized, by confessing to God.
Read the text it talking to saved people.
Tertullian was to show that this is nothing new that's all.
Much love.
tjmax777 1 month ago
@tjmax777 Much love too but do u know how to rightly divide God's word?
I understand Acts 2:38 with other scriptures that does not contradict it as in
V41 Then they that gladly RECEIVED his word WERE baptized.
They were not baptized TO receive but baptized BECAUSE they ALREADY BELIEVED therefore already SAVED.
Acts 2:38 "for" greek eis, points back to the CROSS where their sins are ALREADY FORGIVEN b/c without the shedding of blood there is NO FORGIVENESS Heb.9:22 not WITHOUT BAPTISM.
thomla7 1 month ago
@tjmax777 " 1John 1:9 was talking to people that have already gotten baptized for the remission of sins"
WHAT?
There are two ways sins are forgiven? BAPTISM and PRAYER
Baptism for sinners and prayer for believers.
If a believer dies before baptism he is gone to hell, so what is the longest wait or grace period before they can get baptized, where is that taught?
Now if everyone get's baptized your doctrine states they are ALL going heaven, if not, you're a LIAR and FALSE TEACHER PERIOD.
thomla7 1 month ago
@thomla7 That's what the Bible says in Acts 2:38 and 1 John 1:9 so talk to God about the way HE made, not me.
There will be many baptized people in hell. Look what Paul wrote
1 Corinthians 9:27 (KJV)
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Paul is teaching that if he don't live Holy, even he would be rejected.
tjmax777 1 month ago
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@tjmax777 "That's what the Bible says in Acts 2:38 and 1 John 1:9"
Let's get this straight FORGIVNESS/REMISSION by God is only by and thru JESUS.
Luke 11:2 When ye PRAY, V4 And forgive us our sins
Jesus NEVER taught forgiveness by baptism.
Luke 18:11-14 The pharisee doer was NOT JUSTIFIED but the publican was JUSTFIFIED without WORKS by DEPENDING GOD for MERCY because his WORK of RIGHTEOUNESS.
"ALL DONE BY PRAYING"
thomla7 1 month ago
@tjmax777 "There will be many baptized people in hell"
Then you're like a LYING CAR SALESMAN, how the HECK they r baptized and then go to hell.
It shows it is NOT BY BAPTISM and u r NOT GOD.
GOD DECIDES WHO IS SAVED NOT YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE because he ALONE SEES the HEART.
Rom. 9:15 I WILL have mercy on whom I WILL have mercy, and I WILL have compassion on whom I WILL have compassion
V16 So then it is not of him that WILLETH, nor of him that RUNNETH, but of God that sheweth mercy.
YES LORD!
thomla7 1 month ago
@thomla7
Doctrine matters. Paul told Timothy to take heed unto the doctrine because it would both save him and those who heard him. There will be millions of baptized people in hell.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
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thomla7 1 month ago
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@ACallToHoliness "Doctrine matters"
Yes it does, that is why we are here to correct this false doctrine but my point is, yes many will be in hell that are BAPTIZED but if baptism is a MUST for salvation, then they should NOT be in hell and that is what makes them a LIAR.
Who we will find in hell is UNBELIEVERS not the UNBAPTIZED, am i right?
Heb. 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of UNBELIEF
John3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned:he that believeth NOT is condemned
thomla7 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness I have read it, and that is what us Oneness believe about God. Tertullian slander us but using the word "Patripassian" and calling us simple and unlearned. I'm not UPC but I am Oneness and they are my brothers.
The fact is Tertullian said us Oneness were the MAJORITY that early in Church history. That's because we were FIRST. and the trinity came later. The trinity was an evolution - not complete until the Council of Constantinople 381 A.D.
tjmax777 1 month ago
@tjmax777
He does not say that "Oneness" was the majority. Read the quote carefully in its context. He says that the majority of people are usually in doctrinal error. He is speaking of error in general not necessarily Oneness. Its the same way today. The way is narrow and FEW there be that find it.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness Are you serious? Read the whole context. He was talking about Praxeas and the Oneness people. He even said they were STARTLED at the doctrine of the trinity. I believe that's because they had NEVER HEARD OF THE TRINITY!
Read the whole context. Every book on Church History I have ever pick up has stated that much about Oneness. You are the only one that have said different. You call us a cult when you are the one making up your own way not us.
Love you anyway.
tjmax777 1 month ago
@tjmax777
You must not have picked up many church history books then other than those published by the UPC like "After the way they call heresy" which is the biggest joke history book ever published.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@tjmax777
"For the remission of sins" doesn't mean what you read into it. You're perverting the ANF in the same way you pervert the Scripture.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness I just gave you the reference where Tertullian wrote "without baptism salvation is obtained by none". So you are the one perverting what was said not me. Please read the ECF for YOURSELF to see what they believed about baptism.
Much love to you, but you are so wrong about this matter.
tjmax777 1 month ago
@tjmax777
The reason Tertullian wrote that was because Gnostics were saying that water baptism was irrelevant and should be practiced at all. Tertullian did not believe that the act of baptism washed away sins. You need to take a step back and learn your history a little better.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness Tertullian wrote "without baptism salvation is obtained by none". It can't be more clear than that. You are the one perverting not me.
tjmax777 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness Matthew 26:28 (KJV)
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Well I guess remission of sins don't mean that in this verse also????????????
tjmax777 1 month ago