FYI: -unfortunately, while your animation and basic oblique configuration is not bad (you get a 'C+'); -your speculation about shielding of the magflux is spacious (you get a 'D'). However, unlike most of the 'know it all' bull-shooters here, your presentation simply lacks the missing ingredient, --a truly effective magflux SHIELD, which would essentially 'block' propagation of flux as though a piece of opaque cardboard blocks the passage of light; --that is what is eluding inventors.!!!
Shielding is not required once you learn how to get north to attract north and south to repulse north. It is similar to what you are trying to acheive with shielding. Howard Johnson magnet motor didn't work because he couldn't fully understand the concept.
I am waiting to build my own magnet motor. I have a better design that does not require shielding. There is nothing wrong with trying to acheive the impossible. It is a hobbie that some people find interesting. Other people who try to scam people out of money should be shot.
It does not work because magnetic fields are toroidal in shape... not linear. If you don't understand how this is significant then you know nothing about magnetic physics.
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A true magnetic shield is a superconductor at below freezing temperature. A true magnetic shield pushes the magnetic field lines in another direction. It does not eliminate the magnetic field lines. A magnet approaching the magnetic shield will be push away from the magnetic shield. The other types of sheildings are not shieldings but permeability of the magnet field lines into a alloy consisting of diferent metals.
Don't waste your time on magnetic shielding. The design will not work. The configuration of the magnet is completely wrong. A true magnet motor does not take a person to push the magnet motor to get it to start. The magnet motor can start by itself at any point. The magnet motor has several sections to complete one cycle. One complete loop will never work.
@dmoores57 Edward Leedskalnins machine had magnets set up similarly, and also had a hand crank, and he created shit that is relatively as amazing as the pyramids by himself. Perhaps. Just perhaps, us humans are overlooking something.
I've had this exact idea in my head for ages, but couldn't it just work withouth the shielding, and if the magnets were slanted scaline triangles, that what I imagined
For everyone who wants to know what Liam was saying when his comment got edited/removed he was just saying you would need magnetic shielding for it to work and you make the magnetic shielding by [---comments removed by YouTube on behalf of Eastern Power & Oil Pty Ltd---] Its pretty strait forward if you think about it.
even if this works. id suggest u make it a couple(or more) so that its more balanced and not vibrate because of rotating(like a fan with one broken blade)
two magnets all thats needed secret is the shape of them in the right shape they will turn each other forget the wheel factor think simple this will generate power all thats needed is distance between each other and initial spin then two mstators one on each magnet turning thus twice the power very simple
You still have the initial inertia to drive the center forward so there is nothing "free" about that. Another factor is the ineffective shielding and how magnetic flux works.
I wish you the best of luck and its people like you that push forward to spur ideas that make the world a better place.
Make the model and make it free to everyone, it will work and everyone should have perpetual motion for free! I am currently working on a actual working prototype, but I'm also stumped to overcome to magnetic cancellation.
dude, it could work with the proper implementation. trust me. all the people who adamantly say it would never work are the very people who are desperately trying to file a patent
The reason people say this doesn't work is all a part of a huge alien cover-up. More intellectual beings know about the awesome power of magnets, so this matter is very valuable in their society. When the day of harvesting comes, they surely will not want them all to be worn out by the primitive parasitic life-form that are us.
I have a design of a wheel that could work on a continual basis, it uses both sides of the magnets for work, but the magnets are free moving, and the power is achieved through a kinetic rather than a magnetic effect, it wouldn't have much power, only the physical weight of the magnets and only half of them an one time, then there is the wear aspect, eventually the metal (non-magnetic) would wear out from friction, and I'm thinking oil will slow the movement of the magnets.
Ya, I had this thought when I was in 4th grade, if you could only shield the other half of a magnet, then the attraction wouldn't offset the repulsion, but the fact is you cannot shield a magnet, only bend the field to a less intrusive wave.
And don't think you can break a magnet in half to get "rid" of the opposite field, it doesn't work that way.
If you want to really get somewhere with this, you have to work with both poles of the magnet, and get the repulsion effect all the time
U MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SHIELD A MAGNET 100% BUT TO MAKE THIS WORK ALL U NEED IS TO SHIELD IT A SLIGHTEST BIT ON COMPRESSION SIDE TO MAKE IT WORK. AND U CAN DO THAT WITH ALMOST ANYTHING
@kaglaz,thanks for putting a great idea for the world to be inspired.I think this will work because I have started collecting material.I will let you know as soon as I am done.
Kaglaz, I had a similar thought but I learned that you cannot shield a magnet, which your design appears to rely on. The only thing you can do to control the magnetic field is to "shunt" it with a ferrous material to a more desirable path.
In my very basic experiments this shunting also affects the properties of the magnetic field.
My take on all this is not to look for perpetual motion but using the forces of magnets to "assist" motion, even this could be huge for energy savings.
"Permanent" magnets are not permanent. They have a set amount of energy within them, stored as a magnetic field. As this energy is extracted, the magnet weakens until it is no longer capable of driving whatever it is that it's driving. It is best to view such a magnet as a type of battery and, as we all know, no battery lasts forever.
i had this exact same idea and i have not tested it yet can some one tell me if it works and if it dose work could you send me a video of it operating and how to build if u would it would be greatly appreciated thank you
atleast you wish for it to be put to test instead of automatically shooting it down. kudos. also remember somethings we think we had down and understood endend up being wrong no matter how much they seem to work. also maybe some changes need to be made hence the person asking for imput. but thank you THE ONLY PERSON who wants to test it.
since on april this year a real working perpetuum mobile was made. It was showed to 500 people which were real scientists. They couldnt believe. Since then they are trying to prove and making tests. Maybe in 1-2 years they will find out if its really working and if not, they are going to understand when it will stop. Since he showed that the (my physical english reached its limit xD) movement of the device makes the device getting colder and colder and not hotter. pls dont flame me D:
No funciona porque aunque tengas un aislante magnético, en el momento de entrar dentro del campo magnético de un nuevo imán del 'estator' cuando está girando, la fuerza con la que te responderá el campo de este imán es igual a la que habrá de hacer el imán del 'rotor' para entrar en él.
Si encontrase menor resistencia al entrar en el campo del siguiente imán significaría que la intensidad del campo es menor, y así sucesivamente hasta que la intensidad del campo fuese nula y acabase por pararse:(
there's no such thing as magnetic shielding, only magnetic deflection, or magnetic containment, which requires a full wrap around container. The only exception is with a super-conductor which itself required so much energy to maintain, it will eat up much more energy than you can create with magnets. An object affected by a magnetic field transfers its potential energy into kinetic energy until it stops by impact or a mechanical restraint. To remove it from the field requires more energy.
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Maybe you can redirect the magnetic field using some metals. It still isnt a perpetual mobile because the magnets will wear out... So its harvesting magnetic energy
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There is undisputed scientific consensus that perpetual motion violates either the first law of thermodynamics, the second law of thermodynamics, or both. Machines which comply with both laws of thermodynamics but access energy from obscure sources are sometimes referred to as perpetual motion machines, although they do not meet the standard criteria for the name.
I think what you missed here is effectively DISABLING a pole and not just shielding one side of it. You need to think of a rocket booster and how it focuses the energy of the flame into a point. If you can make the north pole shielded to the point it's effectively not there then you could have a motor of all magnets where it pushes away from like poles and increases in speed up to the maximum speed it could maintain versus the friction it encounters. Shield ALL poles not just the spinner.
@helloman1976 You can not disable a pole on a magnet. Even if a material which the magnetic field cannot pass through was present the magnetic field would not simply cease to exist around it instead it would bend around the obstacle. Magnetic fields are toroidal in shape and I am certain you have allready seen a visual representation of the circular magnetic flux lines. These lines MUST form a full circle from one pole to the other if they don't then there is no magnetic field.
@MrAwsome514 I said "effectively" disabling a pole meaning making it inert in the sense that it's not as strong as the opposite pole or essentially gone or no longer an issue in our engine. Just like a rocket engine if you can overcome the force holding you back even by a little bit you'll get forward motion, that's what we need to do here. All we have to do is make one of the poles less strong than the opposite pole and that will create the pushing force. It's just HOW to do that that's the prb
Actually, the reason it doesn't work is simple: the center piece is a magnet and not a monopole. If you would take the time to calculate the total energy from the combined magnetic fields, you would see that the system is, in a zero energy state, non-accumulating of energy (Sum of forces is 0, not >0).
Besides the fact that perpetual motion in the sense you are describing violates fundamental laws of physics, there is a misconception about magnets an energy. Magnets are not a source of energy they build up, store and release energy in the same way as an elastic band. Think of it this way a rubber band in its relaxed state has no energy, stretch it then you are transfering your kinetic energy into elastic potential energy which can then be used for work. Separateing 2 magnets is the same.
@goingtoeatpizza The energy input will always need to be greater then the energy put out by the system as energy is lost to heat, friction etc. If no additional energy is input into the system the system will slow down and eventualy stop. If a machine that does not recieve additional energy input continues to run it is literaly "creating" energy from nothing (known as over-unity) which is complete science fiction. The most fundamental law of physics is that energy cannot be created or destroyed.
@ZERE0N You know nothing of magnetic fields if you actually think this can work. Magnetic fields are toriodal in shape. They do not even really push or pull they try to merge thier fields together and try to reach a state of equalibrium just the same as every other form or energy does.
good concept. better understanding magnets, flux and eddy currents will help you see this designs flaws, find them, understand them and evolve your design.
I do believe it used to be a "scientific fact" that the world was flat, like everything in this world science is evolving.. “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” -Albert Einstein
The words of one of the greatest minds this world has ever known.
It does not fucking matter what orientation you put the magnets in it will still never work. Side ways, backwards, upside down hell if it where physically possible inside out... None of it will ever work!!! God what is wrong with you people why cant you just simply read something. Millions of books on why this shit is impossible and you wont pick up a damn one!?!
@MrAwsome514 So you must have some of them at home? Right?
So why dont you explain to us WHY this isnt working, in a advanced explanation. not just say: Idiots this wont work.. cuz that sure wont stop us from experimenting and drreaming of "free" energy.. Cuz I know that you want it as much as we do..
So please dont be mean to the folks that at least try to come up with something..
@i7Gam3r I would love to go into a detailed explaination of why they don't work but the problem with that is that free energy believers are completely closed minded. They have become absorbed into thier fantasy. They simply want it to be true so much that they can not accept the notion that it is not true. Because of this even though there is a mountain of evidence against it that I could pull from it would be pointless. I might aswell be explaining physics to a brick wall.
@i7Gam3r But if you must have an explaination. This particular model will not work because magnetic fields are toriodal in shape not linear. Ofcourse I don't really expect you will understand how this fact is significant and if you do I doub't you will accept it.
@MrAwsome514 I think I get your drift about talking to a wall, and with this specific model, and the linear thing.. And, I might be a little bit in my fantasy world of free energy, there has to be some way I guess. I will accept that it is Very or maby even not possible to make free energy this way, im not closed minded, infact, Im usualy say no to most ideas.. but this time I might gone over my head.
And in this end, I accept my loss. but I will not stop looking for a solution.
@i7Gam3r I think you should pick up a book on physics or thermodynamics. They are simply full of reasons why free energy can not work. I can understand that in the past science has gotten a few things wrong but this... For them to be wrong on this litterally they arould have to be wrong on every thing else too. This is not just questioning one theory this is questioning the very foundation upon which all else is based.
@MrAwsome514 I quote you: "I think you should pick up a book? on physics or thermodynamics. They are simply full of reasons why free energy can not work."
That´s awesome, because why make so much noise about why free energy cannot work..?
@alienspacecentereast Because these people just keep spewing the crap they have been told by conmen. They are not stupid because that would imply that they are incapable of understanding why it can not work. They have just come to trust the people who told them it can work to the point that it is difficult to convince them otherwise. The more untrue facts they spew the more sensible people they entangle in this web of deception. People that othewise could have gone on to do something usefull.
@MrAwsome514 - okay, but what about water turbines, wind mills and solar panels, isn´t that a state of free energy, using the forces of the earth, the wind and the Sun? Of course, you use a lot of energy to build it, but after that, you just get the energy outout. I mean, there are some ways to go and do you think we have seen it all yet?
@alienspacecentereast Yes those produce energy that is free in the sense of monitary cost, but that is not what these people mean by free energy. They are reffering to creating a generator that creates energy from nothing. A generator that requires no energy source. All of your examples simply convert existing energy into electrical energy, but to create energy where non existed before is impossible. As far as I am concerened solar is the way to go.
@MrAwsome514 - but isn´t it true, that a magnet can pull and attract? Isn´t that exactly the same wind can do to propellers on a windmill and the same water can do to a turbine..?
@alienspacecentereast Actually the truth is a magnet neither pulls or repells. Their magnetic fields merge and the movement results from the two fields trying to find equilibrium. Think of it as if you had two rooms. In one room you have a high air pressure while in the other you have a low air pressure. The moment the door between the rooms opens air starts rushing out of the high pressure room into the low pressure one but it stops once the pressure is equal.
@MrAwsome514 - well, I am not an expert, I just wonder.
Hypothesis:
If you have a solution with magnets, that actually runs and produce energy. Will these magnets be discharged over time and loose their polarized power..?
@alienspacecentereast Permanent magnets do lose thier fields over time but it takes around something like 400 years or so. But again it is impossible to create a motor using just permanent magnets because although magnetic fields are a force they are not a form of energy. They can be used to harness energy from other sources but since they can not produce it all by themselves because they allways reach a point of equalibrium with eachother where they come to rest.
@MrAwsome514 You have some good points based on known science but we are experimenting with unknown science. If you could shield one pole of a magnet you could create a motor of only magnets, the problem is shielding the pole which is what he's tried to do in this video. Don't be so quick to say that magnetism or gravity are forces and not forms of energy, thinking like that will lock you into knowing only "modern scientific facts" which is not how discoveries are made.
@helloman1976 I don't think you understand what magnetic shielding is. As you alleady know magnetic field lines are toroidal in shape. In a 2D representation appearing as two counter rotating circles. You believe that magnetic shielding can block the lines leaving one pole creating a monopole magnet however this is impossible. Magnetic sheilding cannot stop magnetic field lines. If something which the field can not pass through is present they go around it because they must complete the circle.
@helloman1976 I work with magnetic fields all day long. I know them inside and out. The laws of physics apply to them no differently then with any other force. And that is based on my own observations I have made over the years not based on some text book. I too was convinced that a free energy generator could be built with them once but since then I have learned much more from my work and see that it cannot work.
....that's nice but unfortunately you didn't answer his question......WHAT observations have you made?, WHAT changed your mind? WHy WOULDN'T THIS WORK?
@cranialbob it is complicated to explain with out visual representation but I will try to the best of my ability since you asked. Magnetic fields are toroidal in shape and when two magnets are near eachother they alter eachother's shape. When repelling the closer together they become the more they compress eachothers field strengthening the repulsion. This is why tilting the magnets does not work nor does any other configuration. This compression causes the repulsion to be equal on both sides.
by free energy we are talking about getting enery (translated electricity) from a ongoing device wich wont pollute the world or need anything in particular to function..
My way is a rotor to a generator. and the magnetic thing is the rotor..
anyway.. take a look at this video:
/watch?v=YCD7ZKPcscw
And tell me that free energy in my way is only a fantasy..?
You know, Im getting confused, People saying that it is impossible, and then this??
okay physic aside, i know the laws and i like to make these for the fun of it, but your design will not work all you got to do is look at all the other one with the same set up to see it wont work
For starters, magnetic shielding doesn't work like that. Magnetic fields don't travel in a straight line like light or even like wind or water. They don't exactly travel at all. Magnetic shielding does almost nothing unless it encloses the magnet, and then it mostly just weakens the magnetic field.
My research proves that almost all overunity devices draw their extra energy from the potential energy of the local gravitational field. And to describe them in full scientific detail, it is required to revise the Maxwells equations of Electromagnetism to no-linear equations, and Einstein's theory of gravitation. So for the academic world to account for them it is required 1-3 nobels...
You can find it somewhat Done here on Youtube. The Magnets are more in a Spiral arrangement, increasing magnetivity toward the end, then back through the loop.
(cont'd) Electromagnetic motors can never be made with permanent magnets alone. No amount of clever magnetic shielding can coerce mother nature into giving us free mechanical torque. In conventional electric motors, the driving field is switched electrically, from on to off, or in an alternating fashion. If this switching did not occur, all relative motion would cease.
Permanent magnet motors do not work and have never worked pretty much for the same reason that gravity motors do not work. Look at the long history of failed attempts. Imagine a water wheel coupled to a water pump which pumps the water back up to the top of the wheel. The wheel never has enough torque to pump the water against it own weight. It's just one of those bothersome conservation laws. (cont'd)
i made this because wen i was 13 i thought about propetual motion alot so i tryed to make one and it wouldnt work it just got stuck at each magnet so therefore epic fail
So many experts including the ones that just give hate comments without a reason why it won't work. To them I say FU. To the others, this won't work simply because the shielding is also conductive.
1. How much energy would it take to magnatize or create all the magnets used here...
2. Magnets dont last forever, taking away from the "perpetual" theory..as does point 1. Which is what makes perpetual energy so difficult or unatainable.....every man made machine wears itself out eventually.
On the otherhand to create something that would "perpetually" run to the point of the machine breaking down would definately be noteworthy.
Please clear me, this one is like to be a free source of energy, so why this one technology not seen to solve present energy problems, I mean what is the technicals problem to use this energy. Please discuss in details the problems of this work so I understand at which point this work has stop to come solved energy problem.
These are people who misunderstand basic fundamental physical principals and they are trying to turn physics on it's head... It's the definition of futility.
@seansalvador1 I removed the last comment as I may have misunderstood your meaning. I see no harm in experimenting, but it is true this video will obviously not work.
I have watched it. Nothing new. Just more of the same idiotic quest to drop a ball and have it bounce higher than the point from which it was dropped!
@seansalvador1 Instead of just saying that it wont work, why dont you give a good explanation as to why it wont.
This way people who are reading these comments, and dont know much about this topic(like myself) can get a better understanding of the mechanics happening here.
I have already said many times why things like this cannot work. It is due to the laws of physics, mainly the first two laws of thermodynamics. Even if this were completely elastic in function (conservation of energy is confined to the apparatus) the entropy must still increase according to the second law!
It's like having a fairground wheel with one basket. If you let it free fall it will rise less than the height you drop it from.. a little higher with two carriages and so on... cont
@seansalvador1, I fully agree with you but I think the point here is to give the complete electromechanical explanation to the question 'why wouldn't it work?', not the more-generic-abstract answer 'because it violates the Thermodynamics principles'.
That IS the complete electromechanical explanation... the reason why it is electromechanically unsound is because it breaks the laws of physics that describe how electromechanics work.
I also gave a description using a purely mechanical analogy (that of a wheel with weights evenly spaced apart, adding weights gradually increases the height to which the weights will 'rebound' but always less then the height they were dropped from, until you have weights all the way round and balanced).
@seansalvador1 I think the creator knows that. They were just curious as to WHY it would not work, other than perpetual motion not being possible. I think it is a very valid question.
Be careful not to equivocate, the word paradox has several uses 1) A line of apparently faultless reason which results in a falsehood. This is like the Esher Stairs, each step down looks OK but they cant always go down. 2) Things which are actually possible, despite appearing impossible, like Relativity physics. Really, the second kind is something which appears paradoxical (but isn't) but they also get called paradoxes. Something of paradox really.
this same idea is in my head for about 4 years now... never got the change to try it. got some mu-metal out of some hard disks but that doesn't fit my magnets.:(
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Escher Stairs are a paradox. They are in a square but also appear to go down forever. We know that both aspects can't be true. In real life you cannot make a staircase with a repeating path that goes down forever. Magnetically speaking, this is what PM devices are trying to do. They can keep falling (if not forever, then for a long time) or they can go in a circle. They can't do both.
Despite all the magnets there is only one magnetic field and at some point the device stops moving down it.
If you mean a planet is falling forever, then yes-ish. Of course this is achieved by not actually falling at all and balancing the inward pull of gravity with the outward momentum due to its initial speed.
One advantage that a planet has is that there is no friction constantly slowing it down to below escape velocity. Also, if the planet was extended to make a large hoop around its sun, like the edge of big wheel, it would have no reason to start turning.
Lack of friction keeps the initial energy within the system. A really good bicycle wheel when spun on its side will turn for ages even with a small push but friction ultimately stops it.
Any friction at all is a leakage of energy (to heat) and thus any mechanical system eventually slows down or needs more energy input. This implies a PM system should actually start to turn of its own accord since there is least friction when static.
But I must point out that the initial static friction is slightly greater than the kinetic friction once in motion.
So your claim that it SHOULD start to turn on its own accord is not necessarily true. But that is only if the PM system assumption exists to begin with.
Ha ha! Yes, I wondered if you would pick me up on static friction but I was limited to 500 chars and I hate to double post.
The point is that the tiniest push to overcome static friction should kick it off. Once it is moving at all, it should speed up until the increasing losses due to friction are matched by the magic energy. Of course, if magic energy is only proportional to rotation speed, this doesn't apply. You can't really discuss the mechanics of magic in any rational way :-)
I'm not sure if it is even theoretically possible, magnetic fields tend to be distorted by magnetic objects in a way that results in sudden increased acceleration inward.
But even if it were possible, It is not happening here in this video.This is trying to show movement due to being attracted one way and repelled the other, all the way round the wheel. This really is the Escher stairs fallacy. A 'magnetic orbit' would have a pull inwards, like gravity, not pushing around in a circle.
Notwithstanding magnetic orbits, this video implies the Escher Stairs paradox: A magnet is being pushed down a magnetic gradient that keeps getting lower, despite being circular. You can't even draw such a field, let alone build one.
Yes but it seems that gravity itself is a real life example of the Escher Stairs paradox.
And for that matter paradoxes, in general relativity if you rotate a circular disc near to the speed of light the diameter will shrink but the circumference will remain the same in an observer's frame of reference. ( C = 2pi * r ) will no longer hold true.
Anyhow it appears that paradoxes exist in our universe is all I am saying.
Have a magnet 15 degrees off centre of the plane of the circular axis, have on that degree of axis a magnet 7.5 degrees ahead of the magnet of 15 degrees of axis. Perhaps allow it to free spin on good bearings. . Just an idea . .
This is a very common motor called a DC motor (except DC motors use electromagnets to regulate different magnets at different times, solving your problem, but using energy).
Nonetheless, the magnetism imbued to ferromagnetic metals is a temporary attribute, as the molecules/atoms gradually realign themselves toward neutrality.
Magnetic shielding does not work that way. You cannot just decide to ignore the parts of the magnet you don't like. Every line from a blue dot ends on a red dot, and every line from a red dot ends on a blue dot. You can bend the lines, but not break them. They still connect, and your wheel still clicks to a stop like two magnets slapping together.
hmmm your close to getting i had this idea but instead of using the inside perpetual motion i use a different idea ,and i then used weight and corrigation of the magnets to increase decrease speed...contact me ill show you my idea
Yo, can I see the idea ? I thought of mangetic generators before I got internet long ago, then got on theinternet and looked it up to see if anyone else shared my idea then found so many simelar ideas I thought up and drew long ago (I was like WTF ?), but this tech must get out. have you heard of "The Venus Project" or "The Zeitgeist Movement" ? there are some vids on here about it, good ideas coming together to solve things and talk on Team Speak, maybe you would be interested ?
i tried making a magnet motor,the first method i tried didn't work,it almost worked,i discovered that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction,i felt like i was trying to lift myself off the ground,i've got enough strength to lift my body weight but for some reason my feet just wouldn't leave the ground.
FYI: -unfortunately, while your animation and basic oblique configuration is not bad (you get a 'C+'); -your speculation about shielding of the magflux is spacious (you get a 'D'). However, unlike most of the 'know it all' bull-shooters here, your presentation simply lacks the missing ingredient, --a truly effective magflux SHIELD, which would essentially 'block' propagation of flux as though a piece of opaque cardboard blocks the passage of light; --that is what is eluding inventors.!!!
AryanKnight 6 days ago
Shielding is not required once you learn how to get north to attract north and south to repulse north. It is similar to what you are trying to acheive with shielding. Howard Johnson magnet motor didn't work because he couldn't fully understand the concept.
dmoores57 2 weeks ago
shielding means that the magnets interacts much less that without and where theres no shielding the power reveals
cris23dumi 1 month ago
I am waiting to build my own magnet motor. I have a better design that does not require shielding. There is nothing wrong with trying to acheive the impossible. It is a hobbie that some people find interesting. Other people who try to scam people out of money should be shot.
dmoores57 1 month ago
It does not work because magnetic fields are toroidal in shape... not linear. If you don't understand how this is significant then you know nothing about magnetic physics.
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unix001 2 months ago
on the magnetic shielding topic... look into halbach array
Cbrine99 4 months ago
A true magnetic shield is a superconductor at below freezing temperature. A true magnetic shield pushes the magnetic field lines in another direction. It does not eliminate the magnetic field lines. A magnet approaching the magnetic shield will be push away from the magnetic shield. The other types of sheildings are not shieldings but permeability of the magnet field lines into a alloy consisting of diferent metals.
dmoores57 5 months ago
Don't waste your time on magnetic shielding. The design will not work. The configuration of the magnet is completely wrong. A true magnet motor does not take a person to push the magnet motor to get it to start. The magnet motor can start by itself at any point. The magnet motor has several sections to complete one cycle. One complete loop will never work.
dmoores57 5 months ago
@dmoores57 Edward Leedskalnins machine had magnets set up similarly, and also had a hand crank, and he created shit that is relatively as amazing as the pyramids by himself. Perhaps. Just perhaps, us humans are overlooking something.
bryan3184 5 months ago
I've had this exact idea in my head for ages, but couldn't it just work withouth the shielding, and if the magnets were slanted scaline triangles, that what I imagined
2theothers2 6 months ago
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you are almost there
you don't need a solid shield =)
you need a magmatic shield
momamm1 7 months ago
For everyone who wants to know what Liam was saying when his comment got edited/removed he was just saying you would need magnetic shielding for it to work and you make the magnetic shielding by [---comments removed by YouTube on behalf of Eastern Power & Oil Pty Ltd---] Its pretty strait forward if you think about it.
KingXimana 8 months ago
this would only work with no friction and perpetual magnet power
clauclaux 8 months ago
@clauclaux no that isnt the problem the problem is that there is no such thing as magnetic shielding
XDalutZX 6 months ago
@XDalutZX and that magnets themselves are not "perpetual power"
clauclaux 6 months ago
it could work but your configuration is not all there
eloid777 8 months ago
even if this works. id suggest u make it a couple(or more) so that its more balanced and not vibrate because of rotating(like a fan with one broken blade)
de0509 8 months ago
It doesn't work because there is no material that shields magnetism without being affected by magnetism.
tsg1zzn 8 months ago 15
@tsg1zzn MU-metal deflects the fields.
ericmieremet 1 month ago
I'm waiting for my magnet shielding... Let's see who's gonna be first.
wyrrox 9 months ago
Why in the hell was a comment removed on behalf of an oil company? Thats interesting.
elitensupreme 9 months ago
@elitensupreme Its a joke.
moket123 7 months ago
two magnets all thats needed secret is the shape of them in the right shape they will turn each other forget the wheel factor think simple this will generate power all thats needed is distance between each other and initial spin then two mstators one on each magnet turning thus twice the power very simple
gordoj1972 9 months ago
You still have the initial inertia to drive the center forward so there is nothing "free" about that. Another factor is the ineffective shielding and how magnetic flux works.
I wish you the best of luck and its people like you that push forward to spur ideas that make the world a better place.
markerbull 9 months ago
both me and a friend of mine had this exact same idea. weird...
stealninja1501 10 months ago
Make the model and make it free to everyone, it will work and everyone should have perpetual motion for free! I am currently working on a actual working prototype, but I'm also stumped to overcome to magnetic cancellation.
tbcivilian 10 months ago
@tbcivilian - the magnetic cancellation problem can be [---comments removed by YouTube on behalf of Eastern Power & Oil Pty Ltd--]
It is that easy.
LiamXaoh 10 months ago 20
@LiamXaoh clever
7heReaper 6 months ago
@LiamXaoh i cant belive for that removed comment..... please sent it to mail if you can
neno4real 5 months ago
dude, it could work with the proper implementation. trust me. all the people who adamantly say it would never work are the very people who are desperately trying to file a patent
junkyjuice21 10 months ago
The reason people say this doesn't work is all a part of a huge alien cover-up. More intellectual beings know about the awesome power of magnets, so this matter is very valuable in their society. When the day of harvesting comes, they surely will not want them all to be worn out by the primitive parasitic life-form that are us.
leirgauk 10 months ago
I have a design of a wheel that could work on a continual basis, it uses both sides of the magnets for work, but the magnets are free moving, and the power is achieved through a kinetic rather than a magnetic effect, it wouldn't have much power, only the physical weight of the magnets and only half of them an one time, then there is the wear aspect, eventually the metal (non-magnetic) would wear out from friction, and I'm thinking oil will slow the movement of the magnets.
wildgoody 10 months ago
Ya, I had this thought when I was in 4th grade, if you could only shield the other half of a magnet, then the attraction wouldn't offset the repulsion, but the fact is you cannot shield a magnet, only bend the field to a less intrusive wave.
And don't think you can break a magnet in half to get "rid" of the opposite field, it doesn't work that way.
If you want to really get somewhere with this, you have to work with both poles of the magnet, and get the repulsion effect all the time
wildgoody 10 months ago
U MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SHIELD A MAGNET 100% BUT TO MAKE THIS WORK ALL U NEED IS TO SHIELD IT A SLIGHTEST BIT ON COMPRESSION SIDE TO MAKE IT WORK. AND U CAN DO THAT WITH ALMOST ANYTHING
slobodanzjalic 10 months ago
@kaglaz,thanks for putting a great idea for the world to be inspired.I think this will work because I have started collecting material.I will let you know as soon as I am done.
samora2801 11 months ago
@samora2801 - by all means make a version of this but realise it won't work. I hope you understand why it doesn't work and learn from it.
LiamXaoh 11 months ago
wikipedia: Halbach Array
kbd2005 11 months ago
Kaglaz, I had a similar thought but I learned that you cannot shield a magnet, which your design appears to rely on. The only thing you can do to control the magnetic field is to "shunt" it with a ferrous material to a more desirable path.
In my very basic experiments this shunting also affects the properties of the magnetic field.
My take on all this is not to look for perpetual motion but using the forces of magnets to "assist" motion, even this could be huge for energy savings.
zedloam 1 year ago
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"Permanent" magnets are not permanent. They have a set amount of energy within them, stored as a magnetic field. As this energy is extracted, the magnet weakens until it is no longer capable of driving whatever it is that it's driving. It is best to view such a magnet as a type of battery and, as we all know, no battery lasts forever.
3lectricMonk 1 year ago
i had this exact same idea and i have not tested it yet can some one tell me if it works and if it dose work could you send me a video of it operating and how to build if u would it would be greatly appreciated thank you
jhale4561 1 year ago
@jhale4561
atleast you wish for it to be put to test instead of automatically shooting it down. kudos. also remember somethings we think we had down and understood endend up being wrong no matter how much they seem to work. also maybe some changes need to be made hence the person asking for imput. but thank you THE ONLY PERSON who wants to test it.
Jrockershadow 1 year ago
since on april this year a real working perpetuum mobile was made. It was showed to 500 people which were real scientists. They couldnt believe. Since then they are trying to prove and making tests. Maybe in 1-2 years they will find out if its really working and if not, they are going to understand when it will stop. Since he showed that the (my physical english reached its limit xD) movement of the device makes the device getting colder and colder and not hotter. pls dont flame me D:
KainScuzzer 1 year ago
the axle in the middle will be destroyed by friction. you need perpetual lubrication for perpetual motion.
wuzzygonedoo 1 year ago
No funciona porque aunque tengas un aislante magnético, en el momento de entrar dentro del campo magnético de un nuevo imán del 'estator' cuando está girando, la fuerza con la que te responderá el campo de este imán es igual a la que habrá de hacer el imán del 'rotor' para entrar en él.
Si encontrase menor resistencia al entrar en el campo del siguiente imán significaría que la intensidad del campo es menor, y así sucesivamente hasta que la intensidad del campo fuese nula y acabase por pararse:(
LadronCalderon 1 year ago
You have to note that when you position them like such the south pole will end up in between each magnet.
FarceTheory 1 year ago
I have an idea....
lilthomasking3 1 year ago
there's no such thing as magnetic shielding, only magnetic deflection, or magnetic containment, which requires a full wrap around container. The only exception is with a super-conductor which itself required so much energy to maintain, it will eat up much more energy than you can create with magnets. An object affected by a magnetic field transfers its potential energy into kinetic energy until it stops by impact or a mechanical restraint. To remove it from the field requires more energy.
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checksummedchest 1 year ago
alchemist got it wrong and this is as far out as it gets.
fauxclef 1 year ago
Maybe you can redirect the magnetic field using some metals. It still isnt a perpetual mobile because the magnets will wear out... So its harvesting magnetic energy
jmeverts1234 1 year ago
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The problem is that there is no way to shield a magnet. Nice thought though!
catchic0000000000000 1 year ago
if E=MC2 then there is something more to magnets then these naysayers have looked into : P
smilles4u2c 1 year ago
@smilles4u2c huh? please explain.
ArcaneInquisitor 1 year ago
Why the hell are people still trying this? To believe in these magnetic motors, bedini motors, or any of the other retarded "perpetual motion" devices, you have to have some huge holes in your understanding. The problem is, they all take advantage of an imbalance between what average people DO know and what they DON'T
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baccaratbargaineq 1 year ago
There is undisputed scientific consensus that perpetual motion violates either the first law of thermodynamics, the second law of thermodynamics, or both. Machines which comply with both laws of thermodynamics but access energy from obscure sources are sometimes referred to as perpetual motion machines, although they do not meet the standard criteria for the name.
Synthetrix 1 year ago
I think what you missed here is effectively DISABLING a pole and not just shielding one side of it. You need to think of a rocket booster and how it focuses the energy of the flame into a point. If you can make the north pole shielded to the point it's effectively not there then you could have a motor of all magnets where it pushes away from like poles and increases in speed up to the maximum speed it could maintain versus the friction it encounters. Shield ALL poles not just the spinner.
helloman1976 1 year ago
@helloman1976 You can not disable a pole on a magnet. Even if a material which the magnetic field cannot pass through was present the magnetic field would not simply cease to exist around it instead it would bend around the obstacle. Magnetic fields are toroidal in shape and I am certain you have allready seen a visual representation of the circular magnetic flux lines. These lines MUST form a full circle from one pole to the other if they don't then there is no magnetic field.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 I said "effectively" disabling a pole meaning making it inert in the sense that it's not as strong as the opposite pole or essentially gone or no longer an issue in our engine. Just like a rocket engine if you can overcome the force holding you back even by a little bit you'll get forward motion, that's what we need to do here. All we have to do is make one of the poles less strong than the opposite pole and that will create the pushing force. It's just HOW to do that that's the prb
helloman1976 1 year ago
@helloman1976 Magnetic shielding will not weaken the field around a pole either it will meerly change it's shape.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
Actually, the reason it doesn't work is simple: the center piece is a magnet and not a monopole. If you would take the time to calculate the total energy from the combined magnetic fields, you would see that the system is, in a zero energy state, non-accumulating of energy (Sum of forces is 0, not >0).
ariuszarim 1 year ago
Besides the fact that perpetual motion in the sense you are describing violates fundamental laws of physics, there is a misconception about magnets an energy. Magnets are not a source of energy they build up, store and release energy in the same way as an elastic band. Think of it this way a rubber band in its relaxed state has no energy, stretch it then you are transfering your kinetic energy into elastic potential energy which can then be used for work. Separateing 2 magnets is the same.
goingtoeatpizza 1 year ago
@goingtoeatpizza The energy input will always need to be greater then the energy put out by the system as energy is lost to heat, friction etc. If no additional energy is input into the system the system will slow down and eventualy stop. If a machine that does not recieve additional energy input continues to run it is literaly "creating" energy from nothing (known as over-unity) which is complete science fiction. The most fundamental law of physics is that energy cannot be created or destroyed.
goingtoeatpizza 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514
oh so if you know so much about it then why dont you offer up some helpfull suggestions
Oh hey btw instead of using flat make it 3 Dimensional
instead of a line a spiral for constant force
or two spirals parallel
ZERE0N 1 year ago
ah yea, friction:
another point why it does not run:
unbalanced, you need a second magnet/ a counterweight on spinner to bring your rotation into balance
momAFK 1 year ago
much better than all other shown here on youtube (mostly hoax):
1.: you refer to problem that there must be a push(or pull) direction, most others have 90° or 0° builded.
2. you refer to problem that magnets have always 2 sides, equal if arranged in 90° or 0° or in angle to magnet they should move.
But it won't work:
shielding of 1 magnet is broken by another, so you have to shield both, fixed and moving magnets.
Eventhough close enough the outer fixed shield each other, not 3D or perfect
momAFK 1 year ago
use four insted of one for more power
i could give u thousands of suggestions on this
ZERE0N 1 year ago
@ZERE0N You know nothing of magnetic fields if you actually think this can work. Magnetic fields are toriodal in shape. They do not even really push or pull they try to merge thier fields together and try to reach a state of equalibrium just the same as every other form or energy does.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
good concept. better understanding magnets, flux and eddy currents will help you see this designs flaws, find them, understand them and evolve your design.
dasaint0 1 year ago
I do believe it used to be a "scientific fact" that the world was flat, like everything in this world science is evolving.. “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” -Albert Einstein
The words of one of the greatest minds this world has ever known.
dasaint0 1 year ago
with this simple diagram in the video, we can make a fan!
mrmistercharles 1 year ago
It does not fucking matter what orientation you put the magnets in it will still never work. Side ways, backwards, upside down hell if it where physically possible inside out... None of it will ever work!!! God what is wrong with you people why cant you just simply read something. Millions of books on why this shit is impossible and you wont pick up a damn one!?!
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 So you must have some of them at home? Right?
So why dont you explain to us WHY this isnt working, in a advanced explanation. not just say: Idiots this wont work.. cuz that sure wont stop us from experimenting and drreaming of "free" energy.. Cuz I know that you want it as much as we do..
So please dont be mean to the folks that at least try to come up with something..
i7Gam3r 1 year ago
@i7Gam3r I would love to go into a detailed explaination of why they don't work but the problem with that is that free energy believers are completely closed minded. They have become absorbed into thier fantasy. They simply want it to be true so much that they can not accept the notion that it is not true. Because of this even though there is a mountain of evidence against it that I could pull from it would be pointless. I might aswell be explaining physics to a brick wall.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@i7Gam3r But if you must have an explaination. This particular model will not work because magnetic fields are toriodal in shape not linear. Ofcourse I don't really expect you will understand how this fact is significant and if you do I doub't you will accept it.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 I think I get your drift about talking to a wall, and with this specific model, and the linear thing.. And, I might be a little bit in my fantasy world of free energy, there has to be some way I guess. I will accept that it is Very or maby even not possible to make free energy this way, im not closed minded, infact, Im usualy say no to most ideas.. but this time I might gone over my head.
And in this end, I accept my loss. but I will not stop looking for a solution.
Kthxbai! :)
i7Gam3r 1 year ago
@i7Gam3r I think you should pick up a book on physics or thermodynamics. They are simply full of reasons why free energy can not work. I can understand that in the past science has gotten a few things wrong but this... For them to be wrong on this litterally they arould have to be wrong on every thing else too. This is not just questioning one theory this is questioning the very foundation upon which all else is based.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 I quote you: "I think you should pick up a book? on physics or thermodynamics. They are simply full of reasons why free energy can not work."
That´s awesome, because why make so much noise about why free energy cannot work..?
alienspacecentereast 1 year ago
@alienspacecentereast Because these people just keep spewing the crap they have been told by conmen. They are not stupid because that would imply that they are incapable of understanding why it can not work. They have just come to trust the people who told them it can work to the point that it is difficult to convince them otherwise. The more untrue facts they spew the more sensible people they entangle in this web of deception. People that othewise could have gone on to do something usefull.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 - okay, but what about water turbines, wind mills and solar panels, isn´t that a state of free energy, using the forces of the earth, the wind and the Sun? Of course, you use a lot of energy to build it, but after that, you just get the energy outout. I mean, there are some ways to go and do you think we have seen it all yet?
alienspacecentereast 1 year ago
@alienspacecentereast Yes those produce energy that is free in the sense of monitary cost, but that is not what these people mean by free energy. They are reffering to creating a generator that creates energy from nothing. A generator that requires no energy source. All of your examples simply convert existing energy into electrical energy, but to create energy where non existed before is impossible. As far as I am concerened solar is the way to go.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 - but isn´t it true, that a magnet can pull and attract? Isn´t that exactly the same wind can do to propellers on a windmill and the same water can do to a turbine..?
alienspacecentereast 1 year ago
@alienspacecentereast Actually the truth is a magnet neither pulls or repells. Their magnetic fields merge and the movement results from the two fields trying to find equilibrium. Think of it as if you had two rooms. In one room you have a high air pressure while in the other you have a low air pressure. The moment the door between the rooms opens air starts rushing out of the high pressure room into the low pressure one but it stops once the pressure is equal.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 - well, I am not an expert, I just wonder.
Hypothesis:
If you have a solution with magnets, that actually runs and produce energy. Will these magnets be discharged over time and loose their polarized power..?
alienspacecentereast 1 year ago
@alienspacecentereast Permanent magnets do lose thier fields over time but it takes around something like 400 years or so. But again it is impossible to create a motor using just permanent magnets because although magnetic fields are a force they are not a form of energy. They can be used to harness energy from other sources but since they can not produce it all by themselves because they allways reach a point of equalibrium with eachother where they come to rest.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 - very interesting, thanks for the information and your patience :)
alienspacecentereast 1 year ago
@MrAwsome514 You have some good points based on known science but we are experimenting with unknown science. If you could shield one pole of a magnet you could create a motor of only magnets, the problem is shielding the pole which is what he's tried to do in this video. Don't be so quick to say that magnetism or gravity are forces and not forms of energy, thinking like that will lock you into knowing only "modern scientific facts" which is not how discoveries are made.
helloman1976 1 year ago
@helloman1976 I don't think you understand what magnetic shielding is. As you alleady know magnetic field lines are toroidal in shape. In a 2D representation appearing as two counter rotating circles. You believe that magnetic shielding can block the lines leaving one pole creating a monopole magnet however this is impossible. Magnetic sheilding cannot stop magnetic field lines. If something which the field can not pass through is present they go around it because they must complete the circle.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@helloman1976 I work with magnetic fields all day long. I know them inside and out. The laws of physics apply to them no differently then with any other force. And that is based on my own observations I have made over the years not based on some text book. I too was convinced that a free energy generator could be built with them once but since then I have learned much more from my work and see that it cannot work.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago 2
@MrAwsome514
....that's nice but unfortunately you didn't answer his question......WHAT observations have you made?, WHAT changed your mind? WHy WOULDN'T THIS WORK?
cranialbob 1 year ago
@cranialbob it is complicated to explain with out visual representation but I will try to the best of my ability since you asked. Magnetic fields are toroidal in shape and when two magnets are near eachother they alter eachother's shape. When repelling the closer together they become the more they compress eachothers field strengthening the repulsion. This is why tilting the magnets does not work nor does any other configuration. This compression causes the repulsion to be equal on both sides.
MrAwsome514 1 year ago
@i7Gam3r Oh, and I have to say..
by free energy we are talking about getting enery (translated electricity) from a ongoing device wich wont pollute the world or need anything in particular to function..
My way is a rotor to a generator. and the magnetic thing is the rotor..
anyway.. take a look at this video:
/watch?v=YCD7ZKPcscw
And tell me that free energy in my way is only a fantasy..?
You know, Im getting confused, People saying that it is impossible, and then this??
Im goin insane! x)
i7Gam3r 1 year ago
I like this video, for my is very simple and good. I'm working in my car whit this type of energy... By Thank´s for this.
jairogf821 1 year ago
okay physic aside, i know the laws and i like to make these for the fun of it, but your design will not work all you got to do is look at all the other one with the same set up to see it wont work
1crazyfocker 1 year ago
If you were to sum up ALL of the contributions from each magnet at any given point, the net force is zero.
calebp9503 1 year ago
Just try it, know it for real.
Instead of listening to others perceptions
Tbonyandsteak 1 year ago
For starters, magnetic shielding doesn't work like that. Magnetic fields don't travel in a straight line like light or even like wind or water. They don't exactly travel at all. Magnetic shielding does almost nothing unless it encloses the magnet, and then it mostly just weakens the magnetic field.
jhuger 1 year ago
My research proves that almost all overunity devices draw their extra energy from the potential energy of the local gravitational field. And to describe them in full scientific detail, it is required to revise the Maxwells equations of Electromagnetism to no-linear equations, and Einstein's theory of gravitation. So for the academic world to account for them it is required 1-3 nobels...
DrKCostas 1 year ago
HAS ANYONE HEARD ABOUT CONSERVATION OF ENERGY?
guillermuss 1 year ago
@guillermuss
It's the second law these idiots can't grasp!
seansalvador1 1 year ago
I also thougth of an idea like this and kept pondering different solutions to how it will work.
onenccop 1 year ago
You can find it somewhat Done here on Youtube. The Magnets are more in a Spiral arrangement, increasing magnetivity toward the end, then back through the loop.
FlyKingRy 1 year ago
(cont'd) Electromagnetic motors can never be made with permanent magnets alone. No amount of clever magnetic shielding can coerce mother nature into giving us free mechanical torque. In conventional electric motors, the driving field is switched electrically, from on to off, or in an alternating fashion. If this switching did not occur, all relative motion would cease.
scasired 1 year ago
Permanent magnet motors do not work and have never worked pretty much for the same reason that gravity motors do not work. Look at the long history of failed attempts. Imagine a water wheel coupled to a water pump which pumps the water back up to the top of the wheel. The wheel never has enough torque to pump the water against it own weight. It's just one of those bothersome conservation laws. (cont'd)
scasired 1 year ago
i made this because wen i was 13 i thought about propetual motion alot so i tryed to make one and it wouldnt work it just got stuck at each magnet so therefore epic fail
algravelin 1 year ago
the rotating device would get stuck in between to magnets :)
monkeyzNdogz 1 year ago
So many experts including the ones that just give hate comments without a reason why it won't work. To them I say FU. To the others, this won't work simply because the shielding is also conductive.
OutsideTheEdge 1 year ago
I see what you're after. You could be on the right track. Don't ever let anybody sway you.
srs876chief 1 year ago
Magnetic shielding doesn't work. Make a prototype - animated stuff means nothing.
LiamXaoh 1 year ago
Interesting, but i see 2 issues off the bat.
1. How much energy would it take to magnatize or create all the magnets used here...
2. Magnets dont last forever, taking away from the "perpetual" theory..as does point 1. Which is what makes perpetual energy so difficult or unatainable.....every man made machine wears itself out eventually.
On the otherhand to create something that would "perpetually" run to the point of the machine breaking down would definately be noteworthy.
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DieTheDeath 1 year ago
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How is your post spam?
Is google and youtube trying to silence free energy?
bioreactive 1 year ago
Rules of Magnetism (Try to draw this before you say your machine does something):
1) Every force line starts on a blue and ends on a red.
2) The lines can never cross, touch, or break.
3) Every magnet has the same number of lines coming from its blue as ending on its red.
4) Stronger magnets have more lines coming from them and going to them.
5) If you then replace all of the lines with springs, you can predict how it will move.
rkyeun 1 year ago
Dear Sir,
Please clear me, this one is like to be a free source of energy, so why this one technology not seen to solve present energy problems, I mean what is the technicals problem to use this energy. Please discuss in details the problems of this work so I understand at which point this work has stop to come solved energy problem.
I look forward to receive your reply soon!
Yogesh Sonar
India
ypsonar 1 year ago
The technical problem to use the energy are the laws of thermodynamics, which say that no such machine ever works.
rkyeun 1 year ago
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WebwyzSystems 1 year ago
before watching i know it's not gonna work.
These are people who misunderstand basic fundamental physical principals and they are trying to turn physics on it's head... It's the definition of futility.
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OutsideTheEdge 1 year ago
@OutsideTheEdge
What, that entropy in a closed system cannot be reversed?
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 I removed the last comment as I may have misunderstood your meaning. I see no harm in experimenting, but it is true this video will obviously not work.
OutsideTheEdge 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 why even bother to comment, if you didn't bother watching, sometimes it's better to stay quiet...
MPX4132 1 year ago
@MPX4132
I have watched it. Nothing new. Just more of the same idiotic quest to drop a ball and have it bounce higher than the point from which it was dropped!
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 do yours then if you can
JEFFERSONUBA 1 year ago
@JEFFERSONUBA
Do my what?
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 ...
ph0chiz0 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 Instead of just saying that it wont work, why dont you give a good explanation as to why it wont.
This way people who are reading these comments, and dont know much about this topic(like myself) can get a better understanding of the mechanics happening here.
bartzis 1 year ago
@bartzis
I have already said many times why things like this cannot work. It is due to the laws of physics, mainly the first two laws of thermodynamics. Even if this were completely elastic in function (conservation of energy is confined to the apparatus) the entropy must still increase according to the second law!
It's like having a fairground wheel with one basket. If you let it free fall it will rise less than the height you drop it from.. a little higher with two carriages and so on... cont
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1, I fully agree with you but I think the point here is to give the complete electromechanical explanation to the question 'why wouldn't it work?', not the more-generic-abstract answer 'because it violates the Thermodynamics principles'.
fisauto 1 year ago
@fisauto
That IS the complete electromechanical explanation... the reason why it is electromechanically unsound is because it breaks the laws of physics that describe how electromechanics work.
I also gave a description using a purely mechanical analogy (that of a wheel with weights evenly spaced apart, adding weights gradually increases the height to which the weights will 'rebound' but always less then the height they were dropped from, until you have weights all the way round and balanced).
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@fisauto
In fact, if you read the whole 2 comments i posted you replied to one describibg just that!
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@bartzis
Eventually you get carriages all the way round evenly spaced. When you drop it nothing happens at all because the weight is evenly distributed.
The exact same principle is at work here.
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1
Oh, okay. that makes a bit more sense. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
bartzis 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 I think the creator knows that. They were just curious as to WHY it would not work, other than perpetual motion not being possible. I think it is a very valid question.
ArcaneInquisitor 1 year ago
I don't think gravity is any kind of paradox.
Be careful not to equivocate, the word paradox has several uses 1) A line of apparently faultless reason which results in a falsehood. This is like the Esher Stairs, each step down looks OK but they cant always go down. 2) Things which are actually possible, despite appearing impossible, like Relativity physics. Really, the second kind is something which appears paradoxical (but isn't) but they also get called paradoxes. Something of paradox really.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
It has a flaw. At a certain point the two opposite fields even out stopping all motion.
Thamesis 1 year ago
hey tell me about magnet sheild
as i know nothing can stop magnetic feild
tgh200yeah 1 year ago
copper, insulation. iron, insulation, copper insulation wrap around will shield. Take apart a hard drive the motor has a good shield
RICHLES01 1 year ago
ive seen a similar machine with what appeared to be made of acrylic or some kind of crazy plastic polymer?
desodo7788 2 years ago
mag shielding needs to be modified, it blocks the blue pole in the current config.
PARWIG410 2 years ago
this same idea is in my head for about 4 years now... never got the change to try it. got some mu-metal out of some hard disks but that doesn't fit my magnets.:(
i realy believe this may work.
nielskool 2 years ago
I think someone may answer my argument.
I think that there are no materials that completely nullify the magnetic fields but can reduce.
Anyway, if you put a shield in the area indicated, this would become a new problem because this would be attracted by magnets.
likevvv 2 years ago
i thought of something like this about 3 years ago when i was 10 but i wonder if it will work? i guess great minds think alike 8D
Mr41432 2 years ago
Umm, would anyone be interested in working together to build something that can create unlimited energy ? PM me, if you want. We can make a forum and design, build, experament and test, but we must work together, because if this tech works then we need to protect it from major corporations so they don't patent it. that is ignore their patents and start a revolution with it, lol.
Dragnoxz 2 years ago
A more helpful and educational approach to this is to ask the question "Why does this system come to a stop so quickly" and then find the answers.
A good starting point is understanding magnetism to the extent of knowing the difference between Force and Energy.
Another is understanding why any passive system moves at all i.e. moving to a lower energy state.
Eventually you will see that you are try to create the equivalent of Escher Stairs which go down for ever.
chrisofnottingham 2 years ago
not down forever. just in a circle
eonsnuddee 2 years ago
Escher Stairs are a paradox. They are in a square but also appear to go down forever. We know that both aspects can't be true. In real life you cannot make a staircase with a repeating path that goes down forever. Magnetically speaking, this is what PM devices are trying to do. They can keep falling (if not forever, then for a long time) or they can go in a circle. They can't do both.
Despite all the magnets there is only one magnetic field and at some point the device stops moving down it.
chrisofnottingham 2 years ago
By Escher Stairs, you mean like an orbiting planet ?
eudoxus3 1 year ago
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If you mean a planet is falling forever, then yes-ish. Of course this is achieved by not actually falling at all and balancing the inward pull of gravity with the outward momentum due to its initial speed.
One advantage that a planet has is that there is no friction constantly slowing it down to below escape velocity. Also, if the planet was extended to make a large hoop around its sun, like the edge of big wheel, it would have no reason to start turning.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
Well if the hoop planet was perfectly distributed uniformly then you are correct, but any bias and it would continue spinning.
Sounds like you are saying removing air friction is needed to maintain the orbit. I'm not positive though.
eudoxus3 1 year ago
A stable passive orbit means no friction allowed.
Lack of friction keeps the initial energy within the system. A really good bicycle wheel when spun on its side will turn for ages even with a small push but friction ultimately stops it.
Any friction at all is a leakage of energy (to heat) and thus any mechanical system eventually slows down or needs more energy input. This implies a PM system should actually start to turn of its own accord since there is least friction when static.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
Ok the loss due to friction is rightly noted.
But I must point out that the initial static friction is slightly greater than the kinetic friction once in motion.
So your claim that it SHOULD start to turn on its own accord is not necessarily true. But that is only if the PM system assumption exists to begin with.
eudoxus3 1 year ago
Ha ha! Yes, I wondered if you would pick me up on static friction but I was limited to 500 chars and I hate to double post.
The point is that the tiniest push to overcome static friction should kick it off. Once it is moving at all, it should speed up until the increasing losses due to friction are matched by the magic energy. Of course, if magic energy is only proportional to rotation speed, this doesn't apply. You can't really discuss the mechanics of magic in any rational way :-)
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
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eudoxus3 1 year ago
I'm not sure if it is even theoretically possible, magnetic fields tend to be distorted by magnetic objects in a way that results in sudden increased acceleration inward.
But even if it were possible, It is not happening here in this video.This is trying to show movement due to being attracted one way and repelled the other, all the way round the wheel. This really is the Escher stairs fallacy. A 'magnetic orbit' would have a pull inwards, like gravity, not pushing around in a circle.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
Yes at least you found the 'magnetic orbit' worth
considering for comment about the magic in the video.
eudoxus3 1 year ago
Well, only to say that it isn't happening here.
Notwithstanding magnetic orbits, this video implies the Escher Stairs paradox: A magnet is being pushed down a magnetic gradient that keeps getting lower, despite being circular. You can't even draw such a field, let alone build one.
chrisofnottingham 1 year ago
Yes but it seems that gravity itself is a real life example of the Escher Stairs paradox.
And for that matter paradoxes, in general relativity if you rotate a circular disc near to the speed of light the diameter will shrink but the circumference will remain the same in an observer's frame of reference. ( C = 2pi * r ) will no longer hold true.
Anyhow it appears that paradoxes exist in our universe is all I am saying.
eudoxus3 1 year ago
Oops I got the 2 reversed, the diameter will remain the same, and the circumference will shrink.
eudoxus3 1 year ago
Just build it yourself. You'll figure it out.
MSUAIKIDO 2 years ago
Have a magnet 15 degrees off centre of the plane of the circular axis, have on that degree of axis a magnet 7.5 degrees ahead of the magnet of 15 degrees of axis. Perhaps allow it to free spin on good bearings. . Just an idea . .
Kimble275 2 years ago
This is a very common motor called a DC motor (except DC motors use electromagnets to regulate different magnets at different times, solving your problem, but using energy).
Nonetheless, the magnetism imbued to ferromagnetic metals is a temporary attribute, as the molecules/atoms gradually realign themselves toward neutrality.
Neat idea though--always fun to think.
elenchus 2 years ago
Magnetic shielding does not work that way. You cannot just decide to ignore the parts of the magnet you don't like. Every line from a blue dot ends on a red dot, and every line from a red dot ends on a blue dot. You can bend the lines, but not break them. They still connect, and your wheel still clicks to a stop like two magnets slapping together.
rkyeun 2 years ago
I thought about this like 10 years ago! I HAD EXACTLY THE SAME IN MIND!
fuckofphilip 2 years ago
It was wrong then and wrong now.
Texmurphy51 2 years ago
hmmm your close to getting i had this idea but instead of using the inside perpetual motion i use a different idea ,and i then used weight and corrigation of the magnets to increase decrease speed...contact me ill show you my idea
dees75 2 years ago
Yo, can I see the idea ? I thought of mangetic generators before I got internet long ago, then got on theinternet and looked it up to see if anyone else shared my idea then found so many simelar ideas I thought up and drew long ago (I was like WTF ?), but this tech must get out. have you heard of "The Venus Project" or "The Zeitgeist Movement" ? there are some vids on here about it, good ideas coming together to solve things and talk on Team Speak, maybe you would be interested ?
Dragnoxz 2 years ago
i tried making a magnet motor,the first method i tried didn't work,it almost worked,i discovered that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction,i felt like i was trying to lift myself off the ground,i've got enough strength to lift my body weight but for some reason my feet just wouldn't leave the ground.
jonnyasprin 2 years ago
wow, this is the very best comment i ever read on that matter
what you describe is exactly whats going on in my view. "lifting yourself of the ground".
xtom1973 2 years ago