@modelearth How likely is it? Not very, but I've never argued it would be likely because the issue is all about Truth and integrity for the Cornish people and their land. Truth and integrity demands that we seek independence in howsoever it could be realised, its an evolution of the process of caring, and caring demands you seek knowledge, answers and a reversal of anything which blurs, confuses or otherwise conflicts with Cornish Truth. Independence is a journey not a destination.
@namsamram Yes, the origins of that name are Cornish, and actually take the Cornish place-name of Upton. The Upton family have a proud Cornish heritage.
@tazman5001 Governments don't form by themselves - they need intelligent, progressive people with an understanding of history and historic rights/independence. ie - not you.
@tazman5001 As predicted by you. Of course, no other regions in the world/throughout time have broken off and become successful have they? They've all starved because of their unquestionable dependence on the good fortunes and kind gifts bestowed upon them by the righteous, immaculately-conceived Motherland. Given the choice, I'd work for something worthwhile, rather than stand there with my mouth and hands open to receive a handout from a feeble 'handout' economy.
@modelearth If someone can put up a video with 100 different factual/credible points to support Dorset's legitimate case for restoring any right to historical independence - as I have for Kernow - then I'm all for it. I haven't seen such a video, but why don't you do one, smart-ass.
What does it matter? Cornwall will still be apart of the EU and 90% of the laws will be passed through Brussels....get a grip....the irony is even as an independent you won't be, you'll just be a part of the EU.
PS the UN won't recognise the cornish as an ethnic minority because in 2009 the Labour Party and the UN overuled any such thing as "native british" its true look it up.
@WindsweptHQ Let's give it a try and see what happens, instead of predicting outcomes. Justice and historic rights first - these are the things why are illegally denied.
@WindsweptHQ I don't doubt UN actions, but what you fail to see is that the issue isn't about approval from bodies; it isn't about what maps are re-written or County Councils deciding things, it's a matter of re-establishing links to our truth/identity. Cornish history won't matter in the minds of many but to those it reaches, they are the ones who know the importance of history to core integrity & how it defines who/what we are; we celebrate a truth which borrows & owes nothing.
@aquabumblebee Let's deal with the possibility of failure when rights are restored and we can get some integrity back based on our legally upheld historic rights.
@celticcornish If you are willing to sacrifice the welfare and prosperity of your populace for the sake of ambiguous historical claims and general arrogance then Cornwall doesn't deserve independence. And "integrity" who is really going to take the "sovereign state of Cornwall" seriously?
@aquabumblebee Those who care for Cornwall will take sovereignty as seriously as history dictates. As for a willingness to sacrifice 'welfare and prosperity'... are you serious? Just what 'prosperity' does Cornwall have? Its prosperous industries are dead through dependence. Independence sets-up the framework for prosperity - any thinking person knows that; look at the entire story of America for a glowing example.
@aquabumblebee 'Integrity' is with historical truth and its relationship with culture and identity - relating to Cornish people caring about it, not with convincing others that they should care about Cornish Truth, when they simply have no reason to care. You misunderstand my use of the word integrity, and who values it.
@aquabumblebee Nothing is 'ambiguous'. And 'arrogance' is an assumption on your part. Since when does caring/defending one's absolute cultural link to the past and all that that represents, become synonymous with arrogance?
@celticcornish You know there was a time when Britain was made up of tribes that ruled over no more than a square mile of land. Maybe every square mile in Britain should be a separate country, all I would be doing was preserving and defending my cultural link.
@aquabumblebee If you think Cornwall has no greater case for independence than those 'square miles' you talk about, you should read-up more about Cornwall. Another video on this channel provides 100 points why Cornwall has a long-established case for independence - not least because it has a historically and culturally-defined, LEGAL border which had been illustrated on maps until relatively recent times.
@aquabumblebee Celebrate your culture, and by all means present any case you have to the EU. If the EU hears your case and supports it in the way they have regarding Kernow, maybe you DO have a claim to make for those tribes and their square miles?
As an English person living in Cornwall what can be so wrong with an English person loving the county of Cornwall? I don't understand the problem. If there were no English people living in Cornwall and no English and international people coming down on holiday there would be no Cornwall left for anyone to live in or enjoy! That goes for Wales and Scotland too while I'm at it, I've been to both and they are truly beautiful. As long as people come and appreciate a place what's the problem?
@TheAnaphora The problem is that many like you occupy the fantasy of a United Kingdom, where all historic regions are supposedly part of a time-immemorial Motherland - created equally and justly for the good of all, out of nothing. Problem is, our culture, history & historic rights have has been trampled upon and decimated to the point where few understand what Kernow is and who the Cornish are. But go ahead, suckle off the fruits of our one dimensional beauty if conscience permits.
Cornwall is a County and Counties have County elections, right? So why not do what the Scots did and vote a Nationalist party to the County Council? Alright Scotland isn't a County. And I know I'm stating the obvious but I know Cornwall is so much more than a County...
@spudthrasher If more people actually took the time to understand Kernow and the Cornish, then what you propose makes sense. Even Cornish people don't know enough of their history. Elections always fail because the ill-informed cast ill-informed votes and statistically favour the status quo. Many Cornish people are educated to be good English, tax-paying citizens... in order to learn their history they have to at-least know that it exists.
@Stritchy Ahh, gotcha...... Kernow is what modern UK says it is, and history/historic rights of independence mean nothing? Can't change so why try? Historical truth means nothing? Nothing is worth fighting for? Nothing means anything much? Am I getting close to the passion you have about life and living?
@celticcornish I live in Cornwall,People here are stuck up and I have never met one I like. I'm originally Welsh,don't like the English but I am not fighingt to keep Wales as Wales. Historic rights mean nothing no. Otherwise we would be Roman/Viking ruled.If Cornwall or its people were being treated terrible as happened to non-whites in South Africa in apartheid then I would fully support the cause. As it stands Cornish are as free as any other person in the U.K and dont need to be set free.
@Stritchy I'm sure they sense your belligerence and disrespect for their culture and pride in that culture. Maybe you should move back to live with your own people? Cornish people don't tend to be 'stuck-up' so maybe you're not encountering too many real Cornish people. Historic rights mean nothing to you, but you mean nothing to me - take my point? The issues in South Africa and Kernow are not vaguely similar, but that doesn't invalidate Kernow's legal border rights.
@Stritchy Romans never attempted to infiltrate the Cornish, and the Cornish teamed with the Danish Vikings to defend against the invading forces east of their border, so perhaps the Cornish would not have been part of your assumption of widespread Viking/Roman rule anyway? Who is to say?
I appear to have taken what you said out of context and spoken too soon. I apologize for my haste. My roots, and bloodline go back to that of Celtic origin, and I for one support Cornish independence. I only wish I knew which region of origin I belonged to, so I may learn the old Brythonic tongue, myself.
@DefeatedElitist Congrats on your progress in understanding our issue. If more started with an open mind, the truth would speak for itself with a little research.
@3tangle3 How right you are. It is indeed not an extremist perspective to want your historical integrity back. If people actually stopped to think for a second, everything revolves around TRUTH. THE CORNISH DON'T OWN THEIR TRUE LEGAL IDENTITY - that is the be-all and the end-all to the issue. Why people defend their ignorance disagreeing with historical fact is beyond me.
We are circulating a petition calling on the government to recognise the Cornish as a National minority. It has been created by a Cornish person who is not a member of any political party or organisation but who is very concerned at what is happening in Cornwall. Please sign it and pass it on to your friends. We want to protect what there is left before all is lost !:
h t tp ://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/2835
@CornishNeverEnglish A noble effort - will do. But please remember all is only lost when PEOPLE no longer care about Cornish Truth. It'll take more than a map and a marker pen to re-draw Kernow in the hearts and minds of intelligent and proud Cornishmen.
If Cornwall was to become an independent nation...one problem...who's going to fund it? Because, Redruth (a town in Cornwall) once was the richest town in Europe, mainly because of all the English people funding mining countries, but then...all the English people left and they took the money with them and now Redruth is one of the poorest parts in Europe. In conclusion, freeing Cornwall wouldn't particularly a good idea (the economy would collapse).
@danAWESOMEcollier Let's restore historic Cornish rights then deal with the issues that that presents. Nothing is more important than Kernow working for itself as a self-interested nation with its historical integrity back in-tact. As for economies collapsing - Cornwall's will collapse along with the rest of the world, in the not-too-distant future.
What is the name of this episode? I've been trying to find it on websites where you can watch The Simpsons for free but I can't find it. I know it was made in 2004 but I still can't find it, looking through the episodes that were made in 2004.
@menacinghat I guess it'll trouble you to know why more younger people are starting to learn Cornish language, then? Perhaps they are learning the truth that their 'pasty language' has been wrongfully demeaned by the moronic, ill-informed likes of yourself for far too long?
@TheBattleForBritain1 It's a nonsense - that's what happened to it. The only case anyone has for dual identities is if their ancestry is rooted in two cultures by parentage. Cornish history was separate from English history and the Cornish 'strangers' - as original Britons - had as little as possible to do with the late-arriving Angles, Jutes, Saxons or Normans. The Cornish spoke their own Celtic language (close to Welsh) which was not derived from the language of invading Germanic tribes.
@celticcornish You are absolutely mental. Cornwall has been a part of England for near a thousand years and part of Britain for over 300 years. Your history is exactly the same as the rest of us, and you just look a total looney for thinking otherwise ;)
@smezec You sir, are the loony for posting a comment which shows your absolute total ignorance for the regional histories of Great Britain and the displacement of the original Celtic Britons - along with the geographical boundaries and rights they lost to the invading Germanics - Angles/Jutes/Saxons, plus the Normans. Do yourself an educational favour, and read history.
@celticcornish If people around the world held grudges against people for what happened thousands of years ago and went back to the corresponding borders, the world would be a pretty different place. The world evolved and demographics change, get used to it. Oh, and btw, there were people living in the British Isles before the Celts, so technically you lot displaced another bunch before you apparently were displaced.
@smezec The main 'grudge' if you want to call it that, was the assimilation of Cornwall into England a mere 100 or so years ago! Cornwall has historic rights to independence to this day, and was never considered a 'county of England' up until relatively recent times. Look up a 1700s map of Cornwall - it's borders with England were defined. Research facts before quoting "1000s of years". The truth is you know nothing of Kernow and care less; this puts you at an obvious disadvantage.
@celticcornish A map, I do believe you said on another one of your videos " Ahh, so the answer lies in a map/globe - how could I have missed that? I suppose that if someone told you that the world was flat again and gave you an article to read that said as much, you'd believe it, yes?". You have now made your own argument null and void with another argument that makes very little sense. Bravo.
@aquabumblebee Bravo genius! I was being facetious about that guy's comment regarding a modern globe/map. Historical maps were not illustrated with the same penchant for imperialist values. They were produced as regional documents and represented land/culture more completely and - yes - more honestly, than the ones produced in contemporary times, post assimilation! Ever heard about the use of sarcasm and facetiousness?
@smezec History is used to make parallels between time, place and longevity. The technical displacement of Bronze Age people is possible. Taking the simple fact that Cornish people today are ancestors of Cornish people who had inhabited the independent Kernow region for at-least 1500 years prior, establishes a greater link to meaningful identity than 100 or so years being subject to Anglo assimilation. How can I put that any more clearly.
@smezec And it'll no-doubt interest you to know that Kernow retained its legally/culturally-defined/respected boundaries for a great deal longer than you think. The Cornish were acknowledged 'strangers' from 'West Wales'. This notion remained, even after the wholesale infiltration of the Cornish language (Prayer Book Rebellion of 1549). Assimilation-by-stealth has been a recent development (100+ years), which has seen Kernow culturally disappear more from the map than any time prior.
@smezec It will also interest you to know that no law incorporates Cornwall into England - this is what we mean by 'assimilation-by-stealth'. Your interpretation of the issue is madness, but when you have no reason to care about historical fact and legal/cultural boundaries, it's so easy to marginalise, ridicule and believe that imperialism is justified. Watch some other videos, check the historical facts - the issue is grounded in truth. Imperialist bigots are the real lunatics.
@menacinghat When I look to my UK passport to define my specific identity, I'll also ask you for your dimwitted advice on my country and it's legal/historic boundaries. Cornish is as dead as the Cornish spirit, and if you really thought that that spirt was dead you wouldn't even waste your time commenting here (or on other Cornish channels).
@celticcornish dont bother, these people are living in the strange rose tinted glory of the second world war....when poor alan turing was chemically castrated for being gay after saving the allies by breaking the enigma codes.
@3tangle3 Whereas you live in the strange 'glory' of the dark ages, so much more logical.
I bet 90% of the patriotic (lol) Cornwallers who watched this video didn't even realise that the video was poking fun at hipster americans who passionately take to pointless and unnecessary causes. ie Cornish 'nationalism'
What is your dream? To turn Britain into the Balkans? Well as you would be the smallest and most backward of these new 'countries', enjoy your new status as the Albania of the north.
@TheCrabPope Sure, the video is all about comedy... yet even truth may live in the comedy that people consume, may it not? After all, those weird words that Lisa utters are not merely nonsensical sounds, they are words of a language... an old Celtic language of Celtic people with Celtic boundaries & decimated rights - no less. But then again, it's all comedy for comedy's sake isn't it? The dream for Kernow is to have it's legal integrity back - an integrity stolen by the ignorant.
@3tangle3 Yes - don't bother because your assessment of the reality of this issue is clearly as off-base as your understanding of Cornish history - regardless of enigma codes.
@mwillis1000 Just curious. Why LOL? Maybe the Scottish and the Irish are the only politically-compromised Celts worth talking about? Surely the Celtic problem is the same wherever it lies? But we are just humble Cornishmen, who passively accept that which we are told? Then again, maybe not.
@EnglandPerson So what does 'Britain' mean to you? England is a country which is part of Great Britain, and so are the historical countries of Cornwall, Wales, Ireland, Scotland and Mann - from legal, historic perspectives. For the most part, this issue contests the fact that Cornwall is in ENGLAND, not that Cornwall is part of GREAT BRITAIN/UNITED KINGDOM. You just can't seem to grasp the notion that England and the English grew-up AROUND the Celtic nations & their respective boundaries/laws.
Thanks for great upload, Keltec Sos. If you'd care to visit my channel, you'll find a link to 'The Limpet' newspaper - campaigning to 'SAVE THE HOLY HEADLAND'. Lots of up to date info on what's really happening in Kernow these days.
@floydyopz Thank YOU for visiting - and doing your part to educate others; I'll take a look at your channel. Cornish men and women: read and understand your history and why it is important!
amd i bet the comment i just lefted wont even be visible and you have the nerve to have a video about freedom what about freedom of speach you cant have all one veiw without accepting negative veiws to grow up
@EnglandPerson Ask 'modern' politicians of 'modern' governments what makes a country in 'modern' times. Clearly 'modern' ideals don't respect historic laws and boundaries which made historic countries.
@celticcornish so your not even going to point out what countries are now there businesses like britain is as well as the eu and that and every other country to my knowledge
@EnglandPerson I can't make sense out of what you just said. Whatever you are trying to say, it has no relevance to the issue of historic independent Cornish rights, and the systematic abuse of those rights.
its funny how the simpsons can make something as a joke and the cornish people who like to think there nationalists post it up on youtube when the last time cornwall was a nation was the 6th and 7th century and what would be considered a nation then isnt what a nation is now
@EnglandPerson This clip wasn't made as a joke - research first; make statements afterwards. The character of Lisa Simpson was selected on purpose - that character represents intelligent, progressive thinking - juxtaposing the mindlessness of the rest of the family; most people recognize that. I allow all comments, as you'd see if you spent any time at all reading and understanding this Thread. Kernow's legal rights remain; as does its history/integrity. The passage of time negates nothing.
@jed371 It has nothing to do with size and everything to do with history. Cornwall's independent history is no laughing matter, regardless as to whether people understand it or respect it. The "UK" is not the issue; this issue remains Saxon/Norman ENGLAND'S illegal assimilation of Celtic CORNWALL. Understanding requires adequate study and prior research; many people failing to recognize the issue have attempted neither.
@gamblemadman That's just fine by me - take it up with your wonderful political representatives... maybe they'll listen to you because you're within too close-a-proximity for them to successfully put their fingers in their ears and drown-out the cries of injustice with repetitive choruses of 'la-la-la'.....
The Cornish ARE a nation separate from the English. The more people deny the the more they make themselves look rather ignorant. To those that deny the Cornish their identity I suggest you learn something about collective identity. There can be a nation without a state - just because the Cornish aren't recognised as a nation on a bit of paper doesn't mean that they are not.
@BritishIndependence My only purpose with this channel is to 1) present facts, 2) show ignorant responses for what they are - thereby reinforcing point 1! So far, the ignorant have indeed revealed themselves as such very quickly, uttering not a word of credible opposition (since none exists). As a project, this channel demonstrates there is emotional - not factual opposition. Clearly, you understand Britain and its nations; & yes, even an ignorant consensus cannot invalidate our land or history.
@celticcornish Where I'm sure we differ, is where I believe A) The nations of Britain must remain united in a United Kingdom, and B) We must withdraw from the totalitarian European Union before we press government for recognition of an independent Kernow.
We need more people learning Cornish; it should be taught in schools, as well as our history. Also, the English, et al, should have to pay to come IN to Kernow, not pay to LEAVE it.
@BritishIndependence Actually, I have mixed views concerning Europe. While Kernow does receive more, valuable support/validation from the EU than it gets from Westminster, Europe is another 'flag of convenience' - worrying as a concept. I do not support 'flag of convenience' conglomerates. However, I cannot even envisage the notion of a strong UK; since there is an oxymoron at the heart of that for Celtic peoples. As for learning Cornish and paying to enter rather than leave - ABSOLUTELY!
@celticcornish I don't see it as an oxymoron at all. A strong UK that recognises Kernow as an independent nation within it is very possible. The EU has a vested interest in segregating the UK, which is why they're "sympathetic" to our cause - straight from a Monnet Professor. The UK, the English, it should not be seen as our enemy. We're fighting for autonomy, while simultaneously an majorly undemocratic exogenous force (the EU) is taking away the democratic practise of the state that rules us.
@BritishIndependence I agree with your thoughts on Europe. Autonomy, however, is not the ultimate goal for Kernow since it was an independent nation of 'foreigners' and has never legally lost that independence - yet it has suffered total assimilation. Kernow has a proud past that few know about; it defended itself from Saxons, and didn't really 'fall' at the hands of the Normans. Apathy has contributed to assimilation, but 'autonomy' does not fit with our past - only independence does.
@celticcornish That's a rather narrow definition of autonomy; my fault for not expounding on my use of it. I define autonomy in this context as being recognised as an autonomous nation within the state of Great Britain, like the Welsh, the English, et al. The way I see it, we should be governing ourselves in every aspect of Cornish life, and having issues such as defence, et cetera, determined in Westminster. Unfortunately, parties like MK with their pro-EU internationalist stance do not help.
@BritishIndependence I understand, and again - from a progressive stance - much makes sense, but I guess you'd call me a 'text-book idealist'. My views are dictated by the past rather than the future; as such, they do not entertain what I see as compromise in any form; perhaps because I see everything moving away from what we both would like to see. On that basis, there is little point compromising on the integrity of what Kernow was and should be - in any way, shape or form.
@celticcornish I'm glad you have the balls to recognise that you are propagating an idealist stance, not many do... But we *must* compromise, or we'll get nowhere - it's better to have something rather than nothing. Every day that we leave it, is another day that Kernow as a nation loses legitimacy, no matter how small. We have to establish the instruments of statehood before becoming a state, so being "recognised" as a nation, and governing ourselves on local affairs develops these instruments.
@BritishIndependence Your thinking is perfect valid and this type of thinking has the noblest of intentions; I can't really find fault with it since contemporary challenges require contemporary solutions for progress to result. As a matter of 'truth and heart', I do concede an idealist stance. As such I may be accused of not being particularly 'helpful' to the cause, but my primary goal with this channel is to challenge those who do not care TO care, and reveal wholesale ignorance as such.
@BritishIndependence Agreed, may our combined aspirations for Kernow (as well as Great Britain's other individual nations) come-to-pass. We are unique peoples with unique histories; adequate recognition is long overdue.
@BritishIndependence I understand your desire for a strong UK as a means of exiting Europe, and turning attention to the 'member' nations of Great Britain, yet for Celtic peoples, is that not - in essence - a microcosm of the EU? Collective identities are not acceptable in any way, and we cannot afford to charge politicians with the huge responsibilities of adequately respecting 'member' boundaries and all that they represent, within the context of a world obsessed with collectivism.
Indeed it is, but having a further authority over us (EU) is going to limit us even more; sure, they may recognise us, but that will be it. With the UK, it is an endogenous rather exogenous force: we share a more similar modern day culture to the UK nations than we do to mainland Europe, though I know many Cornish point to Brittany. Collective identities do work and should be seen as legitimate - I'm Cornish-British, for instance. The UK needs to be autonomous for us to be recognised "properly."
@BritishIndependence I understand where you're coming from - especially in a progressive sense, but for me it sounds like a case of 'one step forward, & two steps back'. Kernow needs to be honest about what it is, & it needs to be treated with nothing other than the total respect that independence demands. Do I think that the UK will exit EU and start respecting it's 'member' nations? No. Do I think Kernow will be independent? No. Will I compromise on a desire for Kernow to be what it was? No.
@flatknees True; it's a great clip - drawing attention via the art of satire - to a serious issue, presented by the show's most progressive/intelligent character. A great score for Kernow; and although many people may WANT to believe the producers of the show were ridiculing the issue, that was not their true intention when you hear the story behind the clip. Again; a GREAT media score for Kernow, I'm sure you agree....
@celticcornish whats the serious issue? I was born in Treliske and have lived in Cornwall all my life and honestly neither I or any of my friends care about whether Cornwall becomes independent. whats this about scores for kernow?! if enough cartoons draw attention to the 'issue' will a mysterious bar fill up and cornwall all of a sudden (pointlessly) becomes a separate nation?
@flatknees The serious issue is - in-fact - you apparently not knowing or caring about the history of your own nation or people. Fortunately some Cornishmen do know and care... the fact that this does not include you/ your friends who fail to identify how important the truth is to Kernow and its people is merely a sad reflection of successful brain-washing and apathy. YOUR PEOPLE HAVE A HISTORY DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE YOU WERE TAUGHT ABOUT. 4000 OF YOUR PEOPLE DIED TO PROTECT IT. START TO CARE!
@flatknees ...bars - mysterious or otherwise - have hardly been grass-root venues for the consideration of serious issues, have they? I believe the internet is more powerful. If you think The Simpsons attempts to be nothing other than a cartoon, then perhaps you are incapable of understanding or caring about 'the issue' - in which case I apologise for wasting your time. I guess you thought it was a great clip because it was 'laughable'. For shame, 'Cornishman'. Read and care about your history.
@flatknees The only 'degeneration' here has been the failure of one (and now TWO) individuals to recognise the power and use of satire to make political points. Since the clip was uploaded with this PURPOSE, and since it has been well-received by a majority of people leaving comments which support the issue you fail to understand, I'm afraid it seems as though you think it's a 'great clip' for entirely the wrong reason, but I suspect you knew we'd get to the bottom of that sooner or later....
@celticcornish who are these 4000 people then? you call me brain-washed when you think cornwall can (or should) be independent??? wow... and for someone who is trying to raise awareness for your cause, i don't advise insulting other cornish people.. for anyone for that matter.. especially when its over the internet and you get to be big and strong behind your computer screen.
@flatknees You can start by reading about the 4000 killed by key-wording "Cornish Prayerbook Rebellion of 1549". Where have I insulted you or built-up a false sense of being 'big and strong'? I stand behind my beliefs my friend, and I'd tell you to your face - be assured. It's not an insult to call you or anyone else failing to recognise the importance of the issue 'brainwashed', since that is what you are - via your English history classes. Learn about your people and honour their memory.
@flatknees If you identify yourself as Cornish, then read and understand WHY you are Cornish and not English.... read why your ancestors died to protect their celtic culture and language. Believe it or not, I'm attempting to provoke you - as a Cornishman - to CARE, simply because you provoked me to justify why I - as a Cornishman - do.
@flatknees The only question I'd have in that case is do you identify yourself as Cornish? We are not just the sum of our parts. If you consider yourself a Cornishman, why not go the whole way and represent your Cornishness with a sense of unlimited pride and understanding. If, on the other hand, you consider yourself an Englishman, that's fine too but you should not see the issue here as parochial or worthless... it is neither, and runs far deeper than you may have thought or considered.
@celticcornish How do you know that Cornish culture is Celtic culture? What defines Cornish culture as Celtic and aside from language, what about Cornish culture is different from culture elsewhere in Britain? All over Britain are regional dances, traditions and curiosities that go back thousands of years, long before Celtic culture ever gained a stronghold. Would it not be more correct to refer to Cornwall as having a unique British culture, as related to other British cultures in the UK?
@enzedbrit How do one know ANYTHING for sure? We rely on historical accounts or the voices of others to portray an account of the truth. The decision to believe one thing over another is based on the weight of agreement or otherwise. Cornish culture has been defined by historical account, language, ancestry & celtic artifacts. Celtic Cornwall has a historically defined border defined in Anglo Saxon Chronicles. You fail to weigh-up the evidence & instead favour generalised customs as markers.
@enzedbrit But in the case of the comment to which I replied, your 'debate' is drawing reference to a generalised notion of ancient customs which is hardly the basis for understanding Cornish culture or identity - 500 characters or not.
@enzedbrit The culture of generalisation is meaningless. 'British culture' means as much as 'American culture'. I suspect that only those determined to support the notion of a unionised United Kingdom attempt to in any way identify a notion of a 'British culture', whatever that may be in a contemporary sense of political assimilation.
@celticcornish What's meaningless is that there is Cornish culture and there is English culture, as though there are 2 entities. There's a Cornish language & there are Cornish traditions but they're not unique or special in that there is something so 'other' about them in the UK as opposed to another block of the same things elsewhere. Cornwall exhibits the same English culture that the rest of the UK does, and has its own uniqueness that other parts of the UK have, with benefit of a language.
@enzedbrit You are mistaken if you believe that simply because an 'English' culture appears dominant in the contemporary context of different nation that this is the most valid or representative. It is your opinion that Kernewek language/culture is not sufficiently unique to validate it's independent past. History - and the law it inherits - records differently. Remember that Kernow's legal rights remain, they are simply illegally unrecognised by the State.
@enzedbrit The need is based on truth - truth is EVERYTHING if a land is to have integrity. There is a very good reason few people know about Cornish history, and that is because truth has been illegally marginalised as a false identitiy (a lie, if you will) has taken hold. Cornish men owe it to their hard-working Cornish ancestors to carry the truth of their nation. Aside from this, the Cornish economy will never grow under the control of a false state.
@enzedbrit Cornish talent and industriousness has proven that a Cornish-specific economy can thrive on its own, but with a false mother-state paying farmers subsidies NOT to grow food - for example - there is no future hope for Cornwall. With county council budgets and no self-governance/self-determination, there will be no future worth having (much like the present), and the future which transpires will be neither prosperous or one of integrity for Celtic Cornishmen.
@enzedbrit Past & present is irreparably linked to the future. Cornwall once thrived but our nation has seen much damage since its assimilation. Cornwall must utilise the power of it's legal, historic rights to become independent in it's governance & thus be empowered with a just right to CREATE it's own future, rather than have one hopelessly restricted in a destructive absence of truth. An independent future is therefore an economical, as well as moral REQUIREMENT for any hope of true health.
@enzedbrit You may ask why bother wrestling with the moral element.... is it really worth the risk of jeopardising a sustenance 'economy'; or 'biting the hand which feeds'? My reply would be - FOUR THOUSAND Cornishmen were historically slaughtered by the English as they took the defense of their language, identity and culture to armed English opposition. Should a single Cornishman forget his history, his morals and what it all means? Only for the absolute shame of that Cornishman!
@celticcornish 90% of many rural Northumbrian villages in the harrying of the North were burnt to the ground by the Normans who still rule Britain today, the part of Britain suffering worse than Cornwall. You're citing history 500 years old. Deal with it. Good GOD man!
@enzedbrit You deal with the fact that I will continue to promote history & the fact that the Cornish were, & continue to be specifically targeted with genocide and genocidal policies, unlike your English Shires. If Kernow and its legal rights could be respected and apologies made, then maybe there could be a means to moving forward, however while the ignorance and arrogance of people like yourself prevails there will be no 'dealing with it' or forgetting it. This is called having 'PRINCIPALS'.
@enzedbrit Most recently there has been a push to add Saltash to political Devon. It is clear that too much is never enough as far as Westminster damaging Kernow is concerned; this is why the issue will be drummed-home. If you disagree with this channel take your belly-rumblings elsewhere; this is clearly not a place you will achieve any kind of success... I've yet to see any evidence that you can refute any point made here - I've commented on your DNA point and do not validate it.
@enzedbrit In addition, "90% of many rural Northumbrian villages in the Harrying of the North" have achieved no success (that I'm aware of), in Europe regarding any kind of a special case based-on legitimate, separate legal rights. You continuously 'hook on' to select portions of my arguments yet seem unable to offer-up anything which could take anything away from the history which validates Cornish rights to challenge contemporary illegitimate governance. I suggest you 'deal with' these facts.
@enzedbrit Finally you reveal yourself for what you are; ignorant and emotional. You held yourself back with your initial attempts, but like everyone else opposing Cornish independence, you bring nothing but anger and frustration to the table; illustrating - once again - the full extent of 'logical' thinking offered by opponents to our exceptional case. I applaud you on your insults sir; you have given me exactly what I wanted from you!
@enzedbrit Just a side-point, but it remains interesting how you've changed who you are so easily. Perhaps you remember saying "I'm not abusing you and I'm not going to stand for you abusing me." The fact is, I still can't recall 'abusing' you, while you clearly don't have a problem dishing out the abuse. It all reinforces my belief that opponents to the Cornish cause consistently hold an underlying hatred/bitterness. Not a great starting-point for offering-up any form of 'counter'.
@celticcornish Your raison d'etre is so warped, one-sided and remote that you would drive anyone and everyone to distraction. You are part of a very small and vocal minority, a minority that will always remain a minority. Cornwall will never have independence because the very idea is ludicrous to the overwhelming majority of people in Cornwall. You make mountains out of molehills, plead ancient history as a personal affront to you, indeed, I can't deal with that. You've exhausted my patience
@enzedbrit Attempting a 'credible' comeback from your prior insult adds nothing. You have shown yourself in your true light, and I - like many others - doubt the ability of anyone expressing such anger and bitterness to represent anything seriously worthwhile. You talk of a warped raison d'etre, yet who is really warped in their own hatred for a people who merely seek justice. Education changes people and minds, and the truth is often sung by a choir of few.
@enzedbrit Regardless of your ignorance and arrogance, you do not speak for Cornwall or its people; you do not even speak with THE LONG-TERM INTERESTS of the people of Cornwall in mind or have a clue about what true health for Cornwall really is - thus your opinion is objectively invalid. You refute history and European legal validation in the same stubbornly ignorant manner as others supporting worthless imperialism. History is invalid to you simply because your perspective can't accept it.
@enzedbrit Regardless, RECOGNISED written history and European LEGAL COURT RULINGS do not require your predictions/validations for Kernow. As Kernow works towards a future with more integrity and truth, you'll excuse me if I continue the promotion of its history to its people, so that THEY can decide its future. As for patience, I've learned that it's a virtue - but I understand... an argument based on blind faith in imperialist genetic 'science' was in-fact exhausted long before it got started.
@enzedbrit You really believe that language denotes so little that it may be relegated to 'benefit' status of a neighbouring nation? A wider study of the underpinnings, role and relevance of language reveals so very much more than it seems you believe. You need to understand the Kernow was never historically part of a 'mother' nation of England. Conversely, England took shape AROUND the concentrations of ancient Celtic people - of which the Cornish Celts were part.
@enzedbrit Ditto my language point on the other thread.... To throw all languages into a 'bucket' and use this as means of incorporating Celtic people with their Celtic language into a pseudo 'British-English' nation of convenient linguistic 'Shires', does not work historically. Kernow/Cornubia/Cornwealas/Cornwall was a nation pre-dating Cumbria. The Brythons knew Conwall as 'Corneu' & acknowledged its difference. The fact is, the Cornish difference was WIDELY recorded/respected historically.
@enzedbrit The migration of the Celts and their establishment/settlement/displacement on the British Isles is well-documented. The close relationship between the Celts of Wales and Cornwall has been long-established. Cornwall was historically known as 'West Wales' on account of the Celtic 'foreigners' (by all accounts, the Saxon term for describing the Cornish), who inhabited the region and spoke a 'filthy' celtic language. To understand Cornish culture/history, you must first read about it.
@celticcornish It was based on Victorian ideas of Germanic superiority. Genetic markers have proven otherwise. I have been reading about it for ten years. Several thousand Teutons cannot force two million Britons from their country but over several centuries, they can form a foothold and influence culture and language. The 2002 BBC "English and Welsh are races apart" article, still touted by many, has been outweighed a hundred times since by contrary evidence and new ideas.
@enzedbrit You are interested in genetics and DNA and base your biases on that science as absolute truth represented absolutely; I do not. Your perspective uses that argument to support itself. My perspective uses countless historical documents which base their information from the perspective of different wars, times, peoples and nations. A 'DNA' argument will convince me to change my perspective about as much as a historical argument will convince you to change yours. Ad infinitum.
@enzedbrit "Aside from language".... language is an IMMENSE identifier of culture, and cannot be subject to any form of down-playing; especially since traditional Cornish is merely a mild variation on Welsh - clearly illustrating the connections between the Welsh and Cornish people. All Celtic languages are closely related, and as such represent a very strong sense of cultural definition.
@celticcornish Indeed, but the language is something spoken by the people in a region. Now, someone moves to Cornwall, they could have ended up speaking Cornish. Someone migrates eastwards, they end up speaking a forerunner to English. The people in most of England ended up speaking the language of the Teutons, and after 1066, their language was influenced by Normans as today it is by Americans. Are English speakers then close cousins to Swedes?
@enzedbrit Cornish migration pre-1800s was virtually unheard of. There is much documentation to support a general lack of migration to Kernow or immigration from it after much of the core celtic settlements, simply because of the extent of the differences between opposing peoples and cultures, not to mention legally-recognised boundaries and hostilities. Language and it's utilisation by other cultures was far more rare in ancient times. Again, Kernow retained it's 'strangeness' and 'otherness'.
How Likley do you think Cornish independence is? And how would it work? Total independence from the uk?
modelearth 2 months ago
@modelearth How likely is it? Not very, but I've never argued it would be likely because the issue is all about Truth and integrity for the Cornish people and their land. Truth and integrity demands that we seek independence in howsoever it could be realised, its an evolution of the process of caring, and caring demands you seek knowledge, answers and a reversal of anything which blurs, confuses or otherwise conflicts with Cornish Truth. Independence is a journey not a destination.
celticcornish 2 months ago
my last name is from cornwool does upton sound cornish
namsamram 2 months ago
@namsamram Yes, the origins of that name are Cornish, and actually take the Cornish place-name of Upton. The Upton family have a proud Cornish heritage.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@celticcornish cool i was wondering why my family crest had a massive Cornish flag in the middle
namsamram 2 months ago
@namsamram They do indeed - yes they were known as a proudly Cornish family.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@celticcornish thank you makes me proud i have cornish roots
namsamram 2 months ago
@namsamram You have a great deal to be proud about my friend. Don't let anyone even attempt to dilute that pride with their ignorance.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@celticcornish i wont thank you
namsamram 2 months ago
@namsamram You're welcome. It's very rewarding to research the history of a proud Cornish family.
celticcornish 2 months ago
lol il like to see cornwall try and be its own country that will be the biggest fail in history
you got nothing, not that many people no resourses no army, you dont even have any government.
tazman5001 2 months ago
@tazman5001 Governments don't form by themselves - they need intelligent, progressive people with an understanding of history and historic rights/independence. ie - not you.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@celticcornish ok lol not me, i was saying that if you want independent you will all fucking starve
tazman5001 2 months ago
@tazman5001 As predicted by you. Of course, no other regions in the world/throughout time have broken off and become successful have they? They've all starved because of their unquestionable dependence on the good fortunes and kind gifts bestowed upon them by the righteous, immaculately-conceived Motherland. Given the choice, I'd work for something worthwhile, rather than stand there with my mouth and hands open to receive a handout from a feeble 'handout' economy.
celticcornish 2 months ago
free dorset!
modelearth 2 months ago
@modelearth If someone can put up a video with 100 different factual/credible points to support Dorset's legitimate case for restoring any right to historical independence - as I have for Kernow - then I'm all for it. I haven't seen such a video, but why don't you do one, smart-ass.
celticcornish 2 months ago
What does it matter? Cornwall will still be apart of the EU and 90% of the laws will be passed through Brussels....get a grip....the irony is even as an independent you won't be, you'll just be a part of the EU.
PS the UN won't recognise the cornish as an ethnic minority because in 2009 the Labour Party and the UN overuled any such thing as "native british" its true look it up.
WindsweptHQ 3 months ago
@WindsweptHQ Let's give it a try and see what happens, instead of predicting outcomes. Justice and historic rights first - these are the things why are illegally denied.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@WindsweptHQ I don't doubt UN actions, but what you fail to see is that the issue isn't about approval from bodies; it isn't about what maps are re-written or County Councils deciding things, it's a matter of re-establishing links to our truth/identity. Cornish history won't matter in the minds of many but to those it reaches, they are the ones who know the importance of history to core integrity & how it defines who/what we are; we celebrate a truth which borrows & owes nothing.
celticcornish 2 months ago
I remember this, very funny. Typical of Lisa. I doubt that 99% of Americans have even heard of Cornwall.
soupdragon151 3 months ago
@soupdragon151 That's why the video is here.... so more will find out.
celticcornish 2 months ago
If Cornwall becomes independent they will fail because:
They have no oil
They have nothing to export
They would bring in virtually no tourism
Cornwall will not be becoming independent for a VERY long time if ever
aquabumblebee 3 months ago
@aquabumblebee Let's deal with the possibility of failure when rights are restored and we can get some integrity back based on our legally upheld historic rights.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@celticcornish If you are willing to sacrifice the welfare and prosperity of your populace for the sake of ambiguous historical claims and general arrogance then Cornwall doesn't deserve independence. And "integrity" who is really going to take the "sovereign state of Cornwall" seriously?
aquabumblebee 2 months ago
@aquabumblebee Those who care for Cornwall will take sovereignty as seriously as history dictates. As for a willingness to sacrifice 'welfare and prosperity'... are you serious? Just what 'prosperity' does Cornwall have? Its prosperous industries are dead through dependence. Independence sets-up the framework for prosperity - any thinking person knows that; look at the entire story of America for a glowing example.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@aquabumblebee 'Integrity' is with historical truth and its relationship with culture and identity - relating to Cornish people caring about it, not with convincing others that they should care about Cornish Truth, when they simply have no reason to care. You misunderstand my use of the word integrity, and who values it.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@aquabumblebee Nothing is 'ambiguous'. And 'arrogance' is an assumption on your part. Since when does caring/defending one's absolute cultural link to the past and all that that represents, become synonymous with arrogance?
celticcornish 2 months ago
@celticcornish You know there was a time when Britain was made up of tribes that ruled over no more than a square mile of land. Maybe every square mile in Britain should be a separate country, all I would be doing was preserving and defending my cultural link.
aquabumblebee 2 months ago
@aquabumblebee If you think Cornwall has no greater case for independence than those 'square miles' you talk about, you should read-up more about Cornwall. Another video on this channel provides 100 points why Cornwall has a long-established case for independence - not least because it has a historically and culturally-defined, LEGAL border which had been illustrated on maps until relatively recent times.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@aquabumblebee Celebrate your culture, and by all means present any case you have to the EU. If the EU hears your case and supports it in the way they have regarding Kernow, maybe you DO have a claim to make for those tribes and their square miles?
celticcornish 2 months ago
As an English person living in Cornwall what can be so wrong with an English person loving the county of Cornwall? I don't understand the problem. If there were no English people living in Cornwall and no English and international people coming down on holiday there would be no Cornwall left for anyone to live in or enjoy! That goes for Wales and Scotland too while I'm at it, I've been to both and they are truly beautiful. As long as people come and appreciate a place what's the problem?
TheAnaphora 3 months ago
@TheAnaphora The problem is that many like you occupy the fantasy of a United Kingdom, where all historic regions are supposedly part of a time-immemorial Motherland - created equally and justly for the good of all, out of nothing. Problem is, our culture, history & historic rights have has been trampled upon and decimated to the point where few understand what Kernow is and who the Cornish are. But go ahead, suckle off the fruits of our one dimensional beauty if conscience permits.
celticcornish 2 months ago
Visit NEWSNET SCOTLAND for the truth
TheGd1314 3 months ago
cool. nice to see that cornwall's status as a seperate national entity. is recognised by countries other than the 6 other celtic nations.
disjoinedchip2 3 months ago
Cornwall is a County and Counties have County elections, right? So why not do what the Scots did and vote a Nationalist party to the County Council? Alright Scotland isn't a County. And I know I'm stating the obvious but I know Cornwall is so much more than a County...
spudthrasher 3 months ago
@spudthrasher If more people actually took the time to understand Kernow and the Cornish, then what you propose makes sense. Even Cornish people don't know enough of their history. Elections always fail because the ill-informed cast ill-informed votes and statistically favour the status quo. Many Cornish people are educated to be good English, tax-paying citizens... in order to learn their history they have to at-least know that it exists.
celticcornish 2 months ago
Cornwall is a county not a country just like the rest of the uk, and an over rated one at that, and everyone is related
Stritchy 3 months ago
@Stritchy Ahh, gotcha...... Kernow is what modern UK says it is, and history/historic rights of independence mean nothing? Can't change so why try? Historical truth means nothing? Nothing is worth fighting for? Nothing means anything much? Am I getting close to the passion you have about life and living?
celticcornish 2 months ago
@celticcornish I live in Cornwall,People here are stuck up and I have never met one I like. I'm originally Welsh,don't like the English but I am not fighingt to keep Wales as Wales. Historic rights mean nothing no. Otherwise we would be Roman/Viking ruled.If Cornwall or its people were being treated terrible as happened to non-whites in South Africa in apartheid then I would fully support the cause. As it stands Cornish are as free as any other person in the U.K and dont need to be set free.
Stritchy 2 months ago
@Stritchy I'm sure they sense your belligerence and disrespect for their culture and pride in that culture. Maybe you should move back to live with your own people? Cornish people don't tend to be 'stuck-up' so maybe you're not encountering too many real Cornish people. Historic rights mean nothing to you, but you mean nothing to me - take my point? The issues in South Africa and Kernow are not vaguely similar, but that doesn't invalidate Kernow's legal border rights.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@Stritchy Romans never attempted to infiltrate the Cornish, and the Cornish teamed with the Danish Vikings to defend against the invading forces east of their border, so perhaps the Cornish would not have been part of your assumption of widespread Viking/Roman rule anyway? Who is to say?
celticcornish 2 months ago
@Stritchy
A wodhes kewsel kernewek? My ny vynnaf cows sawsnek!
Yntra'n dhyw henforth yn dan an dre, an bucca pow sows. Noth merther.
cornubian 1 month ago
20 people were born before 1995 and remember when the Simpsons didn't suck.
Electricbassguy 4 months ago
@Electricbassguy If you say so. Don't really watch the show much.
celticcornish 2 months ago
I appear to have taken what you said out of context and spoken too soon. I apologize for my haste. My roots, and bloodline go back to that of Celtic origin, and I for one support Cornish independence. I only wish I knew which region of origin I belonged to, so I may learn the old Brythonic tongue, myself.
DefeatedElitist 4 months ago
@DefeatedElitist Congrats on your progress in understanding our issue. If more started with an open mind, the truth would speak for itself with a little research.
celticcornish 2 months ago
EVERYMAN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE FREE
Let the cornish make their own decisions as that is a true democracy.
The cornish arent extremists either, they love the world they will not hide from it........they have mined half of it ye gods sakes!!
3tangle3 4 months ago 2
@3tangle3 How right you are. It is indeed not an extremist perspective to want your historical integrity back. If people actually stopped to think for a second, everything revolves around TRUTH. THE CORNISH DON'T OWN THEIR TRUE LEGAL IDENTITY - that is the be-all and the end-all to the issue. Why people defend their ignorance disagreeing with historical fact is beyond me.
celticcornish 2 months ago
lemon she says lol!
leeboyy1 5 months ago
Celtic union anyone ?
kargwain187 6 months ago 10
@kargwain187 Ugh no, god forbid Scotland should ever have anything to do with the damn dirty Irish.
TheXand19 5 months ago
@kargwain187 A good start.
celticcornish 2 months ago
We are circulating a petition calling on the government to recognise the Cornish as a National minority. It has been created by a Cornish person who is not a member of any political party or organisation but who is very concerned at what is happening in Cornwall. Please sign it and pass it on to your friends. We want to protect what there is left before all is lost !:
h t tp ://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/2835
CornishNeverEnglish 6 months ago
@CornishNeverEnglish A noble effort - will do. But please remember all is only lost when PEOPLE no longer care about Cornish Truth. It'll take more than a map and a marker pen to re-draw Kernow in the hearts and minds of intelligent and proud Cornishmen.
celticcornish 6 months ago
@celticcornish and women.
CurnowLynds 2 months ago
@CurnowLynds Of course. The word Cornishman is all-encompassing.
celticcornish 2 months ago
If Cornwall was to become an independent nation...one problem...who's going to fund it? Because, Redruth (a town in Cornwall) once was the richest town in Europe, mainly because of all the English people funding mining countries, but then...all the English people left and they took the money with them and now Redruth is one of the poorest parts in Europe. In conclusion, freeing Cornwall wouldn't particularly a good idea (the economy would collapse).
And that's coming from a Cornish person
danAWESOMEcollier 6 months ago
@danAWESOMEcollier Let's restore historic Cornish rights then deal with the issues that that presents. Nothing is more important than Kernow working for itself as a self-interested nation with its historical integrity back in-tact. As for economies collapsing - Cornwall's will collapse along with the rest of the world, in the not-too-distant future.
celticcornish 2 months ago
Hahahhahaha sooooooo much fun ! As Lisa will be the first woman president of th USA in the coming years, let's hope she saw the future !
Celtic greatings of a cousin from BREIZH !!!
zepaddy 6 months ago
@zepaddy Greetings cousin.
celticcornish 2 months ago
What is the name of this episode? I've been trying to find it on websites where you can watch The Simpsons for free but I can't find it. I know it was made in 2004 but I still can't find it, looking through the episodes that were made in 2004.
MrCatspaws 6 months ago
@MrCatspaws It was actually part of a short Christmas Special for Channel 4, back in 2004.
celticcornish 2 months ago
8 dislikes for an 8 second clip of Lisa Simpson?! Hilarious! Is that the faint sound of hurt feelings I can hear?!
celticcornish 8 months ago
@celticcornish
LOL cornwall ROFLLFLFLFLLL
it's a joke clip facepalm.jpeg
only a few hundred people below the age of 80 can speak that pasty language
menacinghat 2 months ago
@menacinghat I guess it'll trouble you to know why more younger people are starting to learn Cornish language, then? Perhaps they are learning the truth that their 'pasty language' has been wrongfully demeaned by the moronic, ill-informed likes of yourself for far too long?
celticcornish 2 months ago
@TheBattleForBritain1 It's a nonsense - that's what happened to it. The only case anyone has for dual identities is if their ancestry is rooted in two cultures by parentage. Cornish history was separate from English history and the Cornish 'strangers' - as original Britons - had as little as possible to do with the late-arriving Angles, Jutes, Saxons or Normans. The Cornish spoke their own Celtic language (close to Welsh) which was not derived from the language of invading Germanic tribes.
celticcornish 8 months ago
@celticcornish You are absolutely mental. Cornwall has been a part of England for near a thousand years and part of Britain for over 300 years. Your history is exactly the same as the rest of us, and you just look a total looney for thinking otherwise ;)
smezec 7 months ago
@smezec You sir, are the loony for posting a comment which shows your absolute total ignorance for the regional histories of Great Britain and the displacement of the original Celtic Britons - along with the geographical boundaries and rights they lost to the invading Germanics - Angles/Jutes/Saxons, plus the Normans. Do yourself an educational favour, and read history.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@celticcornish If people around the world held grudges against people for what happened thousands of years ago and went back to the corresponding borders, the world would be a pretty different place. The world evolved and demographics change, get used to it. Oh, and btw, there were people living in the British Isles before the Celts, so technically you lot displaced another bunch before you apparently were displaced.
smezec 2 months ago
@smezec The main 'grudge' if you want to call it that, was the assimilation of Cornwall into England a mere 100 or so years ago! Cornwall has historic rights to independence to this day, and was never considered a 'county of England' up until relatively recent times. Look up a 1700s map of Cornwall - it's borders with England were defined. Research facts before quoting "1000s of years". The truth is you know nothing of Kernow and care less; this puts you at an obvious disadvantage.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@celticcornish A map, I do believe you said on another one of your videos " Ahh, so the answer lies in a map/globe - how could I have missed that? I suppose that if someone told you that the world was flat again and gave you an article to read that said as much, you'd believe it, yes?". You have now made your own argument null and void with another argument that makes very little sense. Bravo.
aquabumblebee 2 months ago
@aquabumblebee Bravo genius! I was being facetious about that guy's comment regarding a modern globe/map. Historical maps were not illustrated with the same penchant for imperialist values. They were produced as regional documents and represented land/culture more completely and - yes - more honestly, than the ones produced in contemporary times, post assimilation! Ever heard about the use of sarcasm and facetiousness?
celticcornish 2 months ago
@smezec History is used to make parallels between time, place and longevity. The technical displacement of Bronze Age people is possible. Taking the simple fact that Cornish people today are ancestors of Cornish people who had inhabited the independent Kernow region for at-least 1500 years prior, establishes a greater link to meaningful identity than 100 or so years being subject to Anglo assimilation. How can I put that any more clearly.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@smezec And it'll no-doubt interest you to know that Kernow retained its legally/culturally-defined/respected boundaries for a great deal longer than you think. The Cornish were acknowledged 'strangers' from 'West Wales'. This notion remained, even after the wholesale infiltration of the Cornish language (Prayer Book Rebellion of 1549). Assimilation-by-stealth has been a recent development (100+ years), which has seen Kernow culturally disappear more from the map than any time prior.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@smezec It will also interest you to know that no law incorporates Cornwall into England - this is what we mean by 'assimilation-by-stealth'. Your interpretation of the issue is madness, but when you have no reason to care about historical fact and legal/cultural boundaries, it's so easy to marginalise, ridicule and believe that imperialism is justified. Watch some other videos, check the historical facts - the issue is grounded in truth. Imperialist bigots are the real lunatics.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@celticcornish
ahahaha. keep the dream,alive :)
LOL
cornish is dead. Also,check your passport? UMAD?
menacinghat 2 months ago
@menacinghat When I look to my UK passport to define my specific identity, I'll also ask you for your dimwitted advice on my country and it's legal/historic boundaries. Cornish is as dead as the Cornish spirit, and if you really thought that that spirt was dead you wouldn't even waste your time commenting here (or on other Cornish channels).
celticcornish 2 months ago
@celticcornish dont bother, these people are living in the strange rose tinted glory of the second world war....when poor alan turing was chemically castrated for being gay after saving the allies by breaking the enigma codes.
3tangle3 4 months ago
@3tangle3 Whereas you live in the strange 'glory' of the dark ages, so much more logical.
I bet 90% of the patriotic (lol) Cornwallers who watched this video didn't even realise that the video was poking fun at hipster americans who passionately take to pointless and unnecessary causes. ie Cornish 'nationalism'
What is your dream? To turn Britain into the Balkans? Well as you would be the smallest and most backward of these new 'countries', enjoy your new status as the Albania of the north.
TheCrabPope 3 months ago
@TheCrabPope Sure, the video is all about comedy... yet even truth may live in the comedy that people consume, may it not? After all, those weird words that Lisa utters are not merely nonsensical sounds, they are words of a language... an old Celtic language of Celtic people with Celtic boundaries & decimated rights - no less. But then again, it's all comedy for comedy's sake isn't it? The dream for Kernow is to have it's legal integrity back - an integrity stolen by the ignorant.
celticcornish 2 months ago
@3tangle3 Yes - don't bother because your assessment of the reality of this issue is clearly as off-base as your understanding of Cornish history - regardless of enigma codes.
celticcornish 2 months ago
Teere ha Tavaz. Rydhhe Kernow!
cornubian 8 months ago
LIBERTAD A CORNALIA!
03Terrestre 8 months ago
Free Cornwall Now!!!!!!
TheScottishChristian 11 months ago 14
@TheScottishChristian
LOL
mwillis1000 3 months ago
@mwillis1000 Just curious. Why LOL? Maybe the Scottish and the Irish are the only politically-compromised Celts worth talking about? Surely the Celtic problem is the same wherever it lies? But we are just humble Cornishmen, who passively accept that which we are told? Then again, maybe not.
celticcornish 2 months ago
as for it being uk no its britain and you can get the same stories all over england and
EnglandPerson 1 year ago
@EnglandPerson So what does 'Britain' mean to you? England is a country which is part of Great Britain, and so are the historical countries of Cornwall, Wales, Ireland, Scotland and Mann - from legal, historic perspectives. For the most part, this issue contests the fact that Cornwall is in ENGLAND, not that Cornwall is part of GREAT BRITAIN/UNITED KINGDOM. You just can't seem to grasp the notion that England and the English grew-up AROUND the Celtic nations & their respective boundaries/laws.
celticcornish 1 year ago
Thanks for great upload, Keltec Sos. If you'd care to visit my channel, you'll find a link to 'The Limpet' newspaper - campaigning to 'SAVE THE HOLY HEADLAND'. Lots of up to date info on what's really happening in Kernow these days.
Heb gil, Brennigen Penskrifa.
floydyopz 1 year ago
@floydyopz Thank YOU for visiting - and doing your part to educate others; I'll take a look at your channel. Cornish men and women: read and understand your history and why it is important!
celticcornish 1 year ago
amd i bet the comment i just lefted wont even be visible and you have the nerve to have a video about freedom what about freedom of speach you cant have all one veiw without accepting negative veiws to grow up
EnglandPerson 1 year ago
@EnglandPerson Apparently you are wrong on all counts.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish ok then what in moden times make a country ?
EnglandPerson 1 year ago
@EnglandPerson Ask 'modern' politicians of 'modern' governments what makes a country in 'modern' times. Clearly 'modern' ideals don't respect historic laws and boundaries which made historic countries.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish so your not even going to point out what countries are now there businesses like britain is as well as the eu and that and every other country to my knowledge
EnglandPerson 1 year ago
@EnglandPerson I can't make sense out of what you just said. Whatever you are trying to say, it has no relevance to the issue of historic independent Cornish rights, and the systematic abuse of those rights.
celticcornish 1 year ago
its funny how the simpsons can make something as a joke and the cornish people who like to think there nationalists post it up on youtube when the last time cornwall was a nation was the 6th and 7th century and what would be considered a nation then isnt what a nation is now
EnglandPerson 1 year ago 2
@EnglandPerson This clip wasn't made as a joke - research first; make statements afterwards. The character of Lisa Simpson was selected on purpose - that character represents intelligent, progressive thinking - juxtaposing the mindlessness of the rest of the family; most people recognize that. I allow all comments, as you'd see if you spent any time at all reading and understanding this Thread. Kernow's legal rights remain; as does its history/integrity. The passage of time negates nothing.
celticcornish 1 year ago
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jed371 1 year ago
@jed371 It has nothing to do with size and everything to do with history. Cornwall's independent history is no laughing matter, regardless as to whether people understand it or respect it. The "UK" is not the issue; this issue remains Saxon/Norman ENGLAND'S illegal assimilation of Celtic CORNWALL. Understanding requires adequate study and prior research; many people failing to recognize the issue have attempted neither.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@jed371 Just for the record, I didn't remove this comment - the author did.
celticcornish 1 year ago
haha wow
tristanauspride 1 year ago
FREE LONDON... LONDON MONEY FOR LONDONERS ONLY
gamblemadman 1 year ago
@gamblemadman That's just fine by me - take it up with your wonderful political representatives... maybe they'll listen to you because you're within too close-a-proximity for them to successfully put their fingers in their ears and drown-out the cries of injustice with repetitive choruses of 'la-la-la'.....
celticcornish 1 year ago
The Cornish ARE a nation separate from the English. The more people deny the the more they make themselves look rather ignorant. To those that deny the Cornish their identity I suggest you learn something about collective identity. There can be a nation without a state - just because the Cornish aren't recognised as a nation on a bit of paper doesn't mean that they are not.
BritishIndependence 1 year ago
@BritishIndependence My only purpose with this channel is to 1) present facts, 2) show ignorant responses for what they are - thereby reinforcing point 1! So far, the ignorant have indeed revealed themselves as such very quickly, uttering not a word of credible opposition (since none exists). As a project, this channel demonstrates there is emotional - not factual opposition. Clearly, you understand Britain and its nations; & yes, even an ignorant consensus cannot invalidate our land or history.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish Where I'm sure we differ, is where I believe A) The nations of Britain must remain united in a United Kingdom, and B) We must withdraw from the totalitarian European Union before we press government for recognition of an independent Kernow.
We need more people learning Cornish; it should be taught in schools, as well as our history. Also, the English, et al, should have to pay to come IN to Kernow, not pay to LEAVE it.
Kernow bys Vyken.
BritishIndependence 1 year ago
@BritishIndependence Actually, I have mixed views concerning Europe. While Kernow does receive more, valuable support/validation from the EU than it gets from Westminster, Europe is another 'flag of convenience' - worrying as a concept. I do not support 'flag of convenience' conglomerates. However, I cannot even envisage the notion of a strong UK; since there is an oxymoron at the heart of that for Celtic peoples. As for learning Cornish and paying to enter rather than leave - ABSOLUTELY!
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish I don't see it as an oxymoron at all. A strong UK that recognises Kernow as an independent nation within it is very possible. The EU has a vested interest in segregating the UK, which is why they're "sympathetic" to our cause - straight from a Monnet Professor. The UK, the English, it should not be seen as our enemy. We're fighting for autonomy, while simultaneously an majorly undemocratic exogenous force (the EU) is taking away the democratic practise of the state that rules us.
BritishIndependence 1 year ago
@BritishIndependence I agree with your thoughts on Europe. Autonomy, however, is not the ultimate goal for Kernow since it was an independent nation of 'foreigners' and has never legally lost that independence - yet it has suffered total assimilation. Kernow has a proud past that few know about; it defended itself from Saxons, and didn't really 'fall' at the hands of the Normans. Apathy has contributed to assimilation, but 'autonomy' does not fit with our past - only independence does.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish That's a rather narrow definition of autonomy; my fault for not expounding on my use of it. I define autonomy in this context as being recognised as an autonomous nation within the state of Great Britain, like the Welsh, the English, et al. The way I see it, we should be governing ourselves in every aspect of Cornish life, and having issues such as defence, et cetera, determined in Westminster. Unfortunately, parties like MK with their pro-EU internationalist stance do not help.
BritishIndependence 1 year ago
@BritishIndependence I understand, and again - from a progressive stance - much makes sense, but I guess you'd call me a 'text-book idealist'. My views are dictated by the past rather than the future; as such, they do not entertain what I see as compromise in any form; perhaps because I see everything moving away from what we both would like to see. On that basis, there is little point compromising on the integrity of what Kernow was and should be - in any way, shape or form.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish I'm glad you have the balls to recognise that you are propagating an idealist stance, not many do... But we *must* compromise, or we'll get nowhere - it's better to have something rather than nothing. Every day that we leave it, is another day that Kernow as a nation loses legitimacy, no matter how small. We have to establish the instruments of statehood before becoming a state, so being "recognised" as a nation, and governing ourselves on local affairs develops these instruments.
BritishIndependence 1 year ago
@BritishIndependence Your thinking is perfect valid and this type of thinking has the noblest of intentions; I can't really find fault with it since contemporary challenges require contemporary solutions for progress to result. As a matter of 'truth and heart', I do concede an idealist stance. As such I may be accused of not being particularly 'helpful' to the cause, but my primary goal with this channel is to challenge those who do not care TO care, and reveal wholesale ignorance as such.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish Fair play. May we one day gain recognition.
Kernow Bys Vyken.
BritishIndependence 1 year ago
@BritishIndependence Agreed, may our combined aspirations for Kernow (as well as Great Britain's other individual nations) come-to-pass. We are unique peoples with unique histories; adequate recognition is long overdue.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@BritishIndependence I understand your desire for a strong UK as a means of exiting Europe, and turning attention to the 'member' nations of Great Britain, yet for Celtic peoples, is that not - in essence - a microcosm of the EU? Collective identities are not acceptable in any way, and we cannot afford to charge politicians with the huge responsibilities of adequately respecting 'member' boundaries and all that they represent, within the context of a world obsessed with collectivism.
celticcornish 1 year ago
Indeed it is, but having a further authority over us (EU) is going to limit us even more; sure, they may recognise us, but that will be it. With the UK, it is an endogenous rather exogenous force: we share a more similar modern day culture to the UK nations than we do to mainland Europe, though I know many Cornish point to Brittany. Collective identities do work and should be seen as legitimate - I'm Cornish-British, for instance. The UK needs to be autonomous for us to be recognised "properly."
BritishIndependence 1 year ago
@BritishIndependence I understand where you're coming from - especially in a progressive sense, but for me it sounds like a case of 'one step forward, & two steps back'. Kernow needs to be honest about what it is, & it needs to be treated with nothing other than the total respect that independence demands. Do I think that the UK will exit EU and start respecting it's 'member' nations? No. Do I think Kernow will be independent? No. Will I compromise on a desire for Kernow to be what it was? No.
celticcornish 1 year ago
yet another example of how the comments section of youtube degenerates into crap arguments... good clip though
flatknees 1 year ago
@flatknees True; it's a great clip - drawing attention via the art of satire - to a serious issue, presented by the show's most progressive/intelligent character. A great score for Kernow; and although many people may WANT to believe the producers of the show were ridiculing the issue, that was not their true intention when you hear the story behind the clip. Again; a GREAT media score for Kernow, I'm sure you agree....
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish whats the serious issue? I was born in Treliske and have lived in Cornwall all my life and honestly neither I or any of my friends care about whether Cornwall becomes independent. whats this about scores for kernow?! if enough cartoons draw attention to the 'issue' will a mysterious bar fill up and cornwall all of a sudden (pointlessly) becomes a separate nation?
flatknees 1 year ago
@flatknees The serious issue is - in-fact - you apparently not knowing or caring about the history of your own nation or people. Fortunately some Cornishmen do know and care... the fact that this does not include you/ your friends who fail to identify how important the truth is to Kernow and its people is merely a sad reflection of successful brain-washing and apathy. YOUR PEOPLE HAVE A HISTORY DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE YOU WERE TAUGHT ABOUT. 4000 OF YOUR PEOPLE DIED TO PROTECT IT. START TO CARE!
celticcornish 1 year ago
@flatknees ...bars - mysterious or otherwise - have hardly been grass-root venues for the consideration of serious issues, have they? I believe the internet is more powerful. If you think The Simpsons attempts to be nothing other than a cartoon, then perhaps you are incapable of understanding or caring about 'the issue' - in which case I apologise for wasting your time. I guess you thought it was a great clip because it was 'laughable'. For shame, 'Cornishman'. Read and care about your history.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@flatknees The only 'degeneration' here has been the failure of one (and now TWO) individuals to recognise the power and use of satire to make political points. Since the clip was uploaded with this PURPOSE, and since it has been well-received by a majority of people leaving comments which support the issue you fail to understand, I'm afraid it seems as though you think it's a 'great clip' for entirely the wrong reason, but I suspect you knew we'd get to the bottom of that sooner or later....
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish who are these 4000 people then? you call me brain-washed when you think cornwall can (or should) be independent??? wow... and for someone who is trying to raise awareness for your cause, i don't advise insulting other cornish people.. for anyone for that matter.. especially when its over the internet and you get to be big and strong behind your computer screen.
flatknees 1 year ago
@flatknees You can start by reading about the 4000 killed by key-wording "Cornish Prayerbook Rebellion of 1549". Where have I insulted you or built-up a false sense of being 'big and strong'? I stand behind my beliefs my friend, and I'd tell you to your face - be assured. It's not an insult to call you or anyone else failing to recognise the importance of the issue 'brainwashed', since that is what you are - via your English history classes. Learn about your people and honour their memory.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@flatknees If you identify yourself as Cornish, then read and understand WHY you are Cornish and not English.... read why your ancestors died to protect their celtic culture and language. Believe it or not, I'm attempting to provoke you - as a Cornishman - to CARE, simply because you provoked me to justify why I - as a Cornishman - do.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish i doubt i have too much cornish history as my parents are from devon and chester...
flatknees 1 year ago
@flatknees The only question I'd have in that case is do you identify yourself as Cornish? We are not just the sum of our parts. If you consider yourself a Cornishman, why not go the whole way and represent your Cornishness with a sense of unlimited pride and understanding. If, on the other hand, you consider yourself an Englishman, that's fine too but you should not see the issue here as parochial or worthless... it is neither, and runs far deeper than you may have thought or considered.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish How do you know that Cornish culture is Celtic culture? What defines Cornish culture as Celtic and aside from language, what about Cornish culture is different from culture elsewhere in Britain? All over Britain are regional dances, traditions and curiosities that go back thousands of years, long before Celtic culture ever gained a stronghold. Would it not be more correct to refer to Cornwall as having a unique British culture, as related to other British cultures in the UK?
enzedbrit 1 year ago
@enzedbrit How do one know ANYTHING for sure? We rely on historical accounts or the voices of others to portray an account of the truth. The decision to believe one thing over another is based on the weight of agreement or otherwise. Cornish culture has been defined by historical account, language, ancestry & celtic artifacts. Celtic Cornwall has a historically defined border defined in Anglo Saxon Chronicles. You fail to weigh-up the evidence & instead favour generalised customs as markers.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish I fail to weigh up a lot of things. I have 500 character spaces to raise a question or two, add to a debate.
enzedbrit 1 year ago
@enzedbrit But in the case of the comment to which I replied, your 'debate' is drawing reference to a generalised notion of ancient customs which is hardly the basis for understanding Cornish culture or identity - 500 characters or not.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit The culture of generalisation is meaningless. 'British culture' means as much as 'American culture'. I suspect that only those determined to support the notion of a unionised United Kingdom attempt to in any way identify a notion of a 'British culture', whatever that may be in a contemporary sense of political assimilation.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish What's meaningless is that there is Cornish culture and there is English culture, as though there are 2 entities. There's a Cornish language & there are Cornish traditions but they're not unique or special in that there is something so 'other' about them in the UK as opposed to another block of the same things elsewhere. Cornwall exhibits the same English culture that the rest of the UK does, and has its own uniqueness that other parts of the UK have, with benefit of a language.
enzedbrit 1 year ago
@enzedbrit You are mistaken if you believe that simply because an 'English' culture appears dominant in the contemporary context of different nation that this is the most valid or representative. It is your opinion that Kernewek language/culture is not sufficiently unique to validate it's independent past. History - and the law it inherits - records differently. Remember that Kernow's legal rights remain, they are simply illegally unrecognised by the State.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish What I'm not denying is Cornwall's independent past. What I am querying is the need for an independent FUTURE!!!!!
enzedbrit 1 year ago
@enzedbrit The need is based on truth - truth is EVERYTHING if a land is to have integrity. There is a very good reason few people know about Cornish history, and that is because truth has been illegally marginalised as a false identitiy (a lie, if you will) has taken hold. Cornish men owe it to their hard-working Cornish ancestors to carry the truth of their nation. Aside from this, the Cornish economy will never grow under the control of a false state.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit Cornish talent and industriousness has proven that a Cornish-specific economy can thrive on its own, but with a false mother-state paying farmers subsidies NOT to grow food - for example - there is no future hope for Cornwall. With county council budgets and no self-governance/self-determination, there will be no future worth having (much like the present), and the future which transpires will be neither prosperous or one of integrity for Celtic Cornishmen.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit Past & present is irreparably linked to the future. Cornwall once thrived but our nation has seen much damage since its assimilation. Cornwall must utilise the power of it's legal, historic rights to become independent in it's governance & thus be empowered with a just right to CREATE it's own future, rather than have one hopelessly restricted in a destructive absence of truth. An independent future is therefore an economical, as well as moral REQUIREMENT for any hope of true health.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit You may ask why bother wrestling with the moral element.... is it really worth the risk of jeopardising a sustenance 'economy'; or 'biting the hand which feeds'? My reply would be - FOUR THOUSAND Cornishmen were historically slaughtered by the English as they took the defense of their language, identity and culture to armed English opposition. Should a single Cornishman forget his history, his morals and what it all means? Only for the absolute shame of that Cornishman!
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish 90% of many rural Northumbrian villages in the harrying of the North were burnt to the ground by the Normans who still rule Britain today, the part of Britain suffering worse than Cornwall. You're citing history 500 years old. Deal with it. Good GOD man!
enzedbrit 1 year ago
@enzedbrit You deal with the fact that I will continue to promote history & the fact that the Cornish were, & continue to be specifically targeted with genocide and genocidal policies, unlike your English Shires. If Kernow and its legal rights could be respected and apologies made, then maybe there could be a means to moving forward, however while the ignorance and arrogance of people like yourself prevails there will be no 'dealing with it' or forgetting it. This is called having 'PRINCIPALS'.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit Most recently there has been a push to add Saltash to political Devon. It is clear that too much is never enough as far as Westminster damaging Kernow is concerned; this is why the issue will be drummed-home. If you disagree with this channel take your belly-rumblings elsewhere; this is clearly not a place you will achieve any kind of success... I've yet to see any evidence that you can refute any point made here - I've commented on your DNA point and do not validate it.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit In addition, "90% of many rural Northumbrian villages in the Harrying of the North" have achieved no success (that I'm aware of), in Europe regarding any kind of a special case based-on legitimate, separate legal rights. You continuously 'hook on' to select portions of my arguments yet seem unable to offer-up anything which could take anything away from the history which validates Cornish rights to challenge contemporary illegitimate governance. I suggest you 'deal with' these facts.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish Oh you are a fuck tard. I grant you independence. Take it and slit your throat, please.
enzedbrit 1 year ago
@enzedbrit Finally you reveal yourself for what you are; ignorant and emotional. You held yourself back with your initial attempts, but like everyone else opposing Cornish independence, you bring nothing but anger and frustration to the table; illustrating - once again - the full extent of 'logical' thinking offered by opponents to our exceptional case. I applaud you on your insults sir; you have given me exactly what I wanted from you!
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit Just a side-point, but it remains interesting how you've changed who you are so easily. Perhaps you remember saying "I'm not abusing you and I'm not going to stand for you abusing me." The fact is, I still can't recall 'abusing' you, while you clearly don't have a problem dishing out the abuse. It all reinforces my belief that opponents to the Cornish cause consistently hold an underlying hatred/bitterness. Not a great starting-point for offering-up any form of 'counter'.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish Your raison d'etre is so warped, one-sided and remote that you would drive anyone and everyone to distraction. You are part of a very small and vocal minority, a minority that will always remain a minority. Cornwall will never have independence because the very idea is ludicrous to the overwhelming majority of people in Cornwall. You make mountains out of molehills, plead ancient history as a personal affront to you, indeed, I can't deal with that. You've exhausted my patience
enzedbrit 1 year ago
@enzedbrit Attempting a 'credible' comeback from your prior insult adds nothing. You have shown yourself in your true light, and I - like many others - doubt the ability of anyone expressing such anger and bitterness to represent anything seriously worthwhile. You talk of a warped raison d'etre, yet who is really warped in their own hatred for a people who merely seek justice. Education changes people and minds, and the truth is often sung by a choir of few.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit Regardless of your ignorance and arrogance, you do not speak for Cornwall or its people; you do not even speak with THE LONG-TERM INTERESTS of the people of Cornwall in mind or have a clue about what true health for Cornwall really is - thus your opinion is objectively invalid. You refute history and European legal validation in the same stubbornly ignorant manner as others supporting worthless imperialism. History is invalid to you simply because your perspective can't accept it.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit Regardless, RECOGNISED written history and European LEGAL COURT RULINGS do not require your predictions/validations for Kernow. As Kernow works towards a future with more integrity and truth, you'll excuse me if I continue the promotion of its history to its people, so that THEY can decide its future. As for patience, I've learned that it's a virtue - but I understand... an argument based on blind faith in imperialist genetic 'science' was in-fact exhausted long before it got started.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit You really believe that language denotes so little that it may be relegated to 'benefit' status of a neighbouring nation? A wider study of the underpinnings, role and relevance of language reveals so very much more than it seems you believe. You need to understand the Kernow was never historically part of a 'mother' nation of England. Conversely, England took shape AROUND the concentrations of ancient Celtic people - of which the Cornish Celts were part.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit Ditto my language point on the other thread.... To throw all languages into a 'bucket' and use this as means of incorporating Celtic people with their Celtic language into a pseudo 'British-English' nation of convenient linguistic 'Shires', does not work historically. Kernow/Cornubia/Cornwealas/Cornwall was a nation pre-dating Cumbria. The Brythons knew Conwall as 'Corneu' & acknowledged its difference. The fact is, the Cornish difference was WIDELY recorded/respected historically.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit The migration of the Celts and their establishment/settlement/displacement on the British Isles is well-documented. The close relationship between the Celts of Wales and Cornwall has been long-established. Cornwall was historically known as 'West Wales' on account of the Celtic 'foreigners' (by all accounts, the Saxon term for describing the Cornish), who inhabited the region and spoke a 'filthy' celtic language. To understand Cornish culture/history, you must first read about it.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish It was based on Victorian ideas of Germanic superiority. Genetic markers have proven otherwise. I have been reading about it for ten years. Several thousand Teutons cannot force two million Britons from their country but over several centuries, they can form a foothold and influence culture and language. The 2002 BBC "English and Welsh are races apart" article, still touted by many, has been outweighed a hundred times since by contrary evidence and new ideas.
enzedbrit 1 year ago
@enzedbrit You are interested in genetics and DNA and base your biases on that science as absolute truth represented absolutely; I do not. Your perspective uses that argument to support itself. My perspective uses countless historical documents which base their information from the perspective of different wars, times, peoples and nations. A 'DNA' argument will convince me to change my perspective about as much as a historical argument will convince you to change yours. Ad infinitum.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@enzedbrit "Aside from language".... language is an IMMENSE identifier of culture, and cannot be subject to any form of down-playing; especially since traditional Cornish is merely a mild variation on Welsh - clearly illustrating the connections between the Welsh and Cornish people. All Celtic languages are closely related, and as such represent a very strong sense of cultural definition.
celticcornish 1 year ago
@celticcornish Indeed, but the language is something spoken by the people in a region. Now, someone moves to Cornwall, they could have ended up speaking Cornish. Someone migrates eastwards, they end up speaking a forerunner to English. The people in most of England ended up speaking the language of the Teutons, and after 1066, their language was influenced by Normans as today it is by Americans. Are English speakers then close cousins to Swedes?
enzedbrit 1 year ago
@enzedbrit Cornish migration pre-1800s was virtually unheard of. There is much documentation to support a general lack of migration to Kernow or immigration from it after much of the core celtic settlements, simply because of the extent of the differences between opposing peoples and cultures, not to mention legally-recognised boundaries and hostilities. Language and it's utilisation by other cultures was far more rare in ancient times. Again, Kernow retained it's 'strangeness' and 'otherness'.
celticcornish 1 year ago