this pastor obviously has a direct insight into God's thinking. I'm surprised that God hasn't shared this revelation with his vicar on earth, the Pope, rather than with this insignificant little man
I love the way Christians tie ourselves in knots trying to explain away the inconsistencies in the Bible, having assumed that it is absolute truth. All inconsistencies are swept away by recognising the fact that there is no God. don't worry about the pastor's predictions we will still all be here on Sunday. His excuse will probably be that God changed his mind and decided to forgive us yet again. This excuse will allow the pastor to repeat his predictions indefinitely.
REV 22-16 IS THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR-VENUS WORSHIP--ITS ALL ASTROTHEOLOGY-JESUS IS REPTILLIAN WORSHIP-AND HE WAS BARIED IN SRINIGAR-INDIA--ANYWAYS--CHRISTIANITY IS --A THROW AWAY SOLAR CULT RELIGION WAKE UP-THE SAME STORY WAS RUNNING AROUND THE MED FOR `1000 YEARS BEFORE RA HORUS--MYTHRA-KRISHNA-SAME STORIES --IT CAME THRU THE MEROVIGN BLOODLINE THIS RELIGULOUS NONSENSE
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What you may be missing about me is that I live my life by an ethical code of humanism, and altruism. Life pertains to a certain kind of urgency - you only get one chance. Life is a fleeting, highly unlikely gift from the cosmos, and it aught not be squandered. This means that there may yet be a heaven, but we have to make it here on earth. Nothing is granted to us, says we should be safe, special, or protected. All those wants and needs exists only in through humans. Not gods.
Leprechauns and anything else that people imagine exist. No, friend. I am only trying to shake you free of your delusions, and your anger at me means I'm making sense to you. Right now you are dueling with your own ability to reason, and your desire to feel safe, protected, special, belonging. Do not let your emotions rule you - they only blind your judgment.
Heh.. Here's a funny: if god can't get a boner then I guess that explains steeples. Because it's clear that a steeple is nothing more then a subconscious manifestation of a huge stiff penis. Maybe that's why he doesn't want us masturbating? This renders a simple erection as an insult to god. WOW! O.O How envious!
Just to think: I can do something that god can't. ;)
The destruction of the temple is not literal......it is referring to the destruction of the end time churches through the "abomination" who is satan, sitting in the temple, which is the end time churches. God will purposely put Satan in control of the churches as punishment for their disobedience. This is the Great Tribultion. It is almost over now.
There is nothing ad hoc about my position. The Disciples asked when is the temple going to be destroyed and Jesus answered to never elaborate as he usually does for metaphors. Nothing ad hoc about that.
@jmallton Don't bother talking to unbelievers it is a waste of time. They cannot see or prove anything they say but sadly neither can we at this point in time. There will come a time where we can travel dimensions and find out for ourselves. Christians then will not be proven wrong because science will find it.
Then you waste your own time calling yourself a christian. Because if you think it is a "waste of time", then you just cast aside one of Jesus' last command.
@TheAtheistPaladin This is a perfect example of why not to waste time on non believers......Jesus said not to cast your pearls on swine.....it is fruitless
The context to that was addressed to the Pharisees. If I am not mistaken, they where believers. Just that there flaw as hypocrisy, not non-belief. None-the-less, you still cannot deny the DIRECT command of your lord. What this really is an perfect example of is christian presumed superiority complexes.
@TheAtheistPaladin No superiority complex here......just aware enough to know that both parties are set in there beliefs and nothing will be accomplished.....
So you took christmas to talk to me. That is nice.
I am glad that you are honest enough to admit that you are stubborn and will not change, but you can not and do not speak for me. If I am provided the right argument or the right evidence I will change my position. I hold no loyalty to my atheism. You haven't shared anything to determine that at all.
No matter if you believe in God or not but What if the rapture happens? what if God does come back and everything is true? Then what? This whole thing is a mystery. people can not prove or disprove that there is or isn't a god. I have read the prophecies and alot of them are fulfilled and are being fulfilled. If this second coming actually happens, well I don't want to be against him. Thats all I have to say about that
Not my argument, YOUR argument. Your argument relies on fear, it relies on unknowable "what ifs" . I deal specifically with passages, which your argument didn't even address... So stop being a dumbass.
@Skuch22 lol you claim TAP's argument is full of what ifs, and then provide a bunch youself, and then you hand him hell for doing the same? How about actually THINK about the question TAP asked you? You must realize that the soul reason you're christian is because your parents are, and because you were born in america where christianity happens to be a popular religion. In the middle east, in Africa, in India, in Norway, and everwhere else, those people believe in their gods just as much as you.
@Skuch22 I have asked you several direct questions. And now I'm pressing you to answer them. Why do you believe in god? Why is the god you believe right while all thousands of others are wrong?
Try to make me understand why it is you feel you can make a positive claim about an unknowable entity, and why it is that you're making these claims about said deity, amongst 1000's of other possible deities which have an equal chance at existence or non-existence?
@Xeletoph Jesus Christ physically, well a light that I knew had to be Jesus came into my dorm room while I was debating whether to keep living or not, he hugged me and showed me why I was created when I saw no purpose for myself. I was not asking for a sign from God when this happened I just opened my life up to the possibility of there being a God, and if hes real why he created me.
@Skuch22 Well that's a very beautiful and transcendental story. But like I said before, anecdotal stories can't prove the supernatural. It just doesn't work - the supernatural is beyond human understanding, that's why its called 'supernatural'. paranormal is a state of unknowing, that's why it's called paranormal. So using paranormal stories to define the supernatural is folly - it's like using an ice-cube to explain what a fire is like.
"I can't describe this - therefor I can describe it"
@Skuch22 Continuing onward - Anecdotal stories also can't provide defintion for god, even if they have eye-witnesses. See, a memory is your recollection of your perception of an event. Memory is faulty because it breaks down over time, perception is faulty because it is an extreme variable which is firmly tied to the individual. No matter how long ago this happened, or maybe even didn't really happen, your recollection and perceptions are variables so strong, that it renders the story useless.
@Skuch22 And by useless I mean, unable in every way to provide empirical, reproducible, verifiable, evidence for your case. Maybe what occurred is real to you, but that doesn't mean its real to reality. Personal experiences seldom are. I could have a personal experience that a gnome lived on my shoulder - It'd be true to me, but does that mean that said gnome would be true to reality as well? Absolutely not!
@Xeletoph If u want proof on paper I can not give it to u. You know that. My faith in Jesus Christ can never be taken away from me, I will die rather then deny him/his existence. I understand why its hard for a person with a scientific mind like yourself to fathom why people believe in something without proof. But the proof for me is what I experienced and the fire inside that I can't deny.
@Skuch22 I'm not trying to steal anything from you. I'm not trying to take your faith, your bible, or your beliefs from you at all. I'm only trying to encourage you to be intellectually honest.
Faith cannot provide realness, our personal beliefs have no impact on reality what so ever.
A concept such as faith is riddled with personal prejudice, in group bias, and congestive distortions.
In any considerable medium or concept, believing anything without proof is gullibility, and/or delusion.
@Skuch22 You should read the definitions of delusion and Faith. Both are held onto under great pressure and diversity, both are insisted upon irregardless of evidence or even in the shadow of evidence against their faith/delusion. Read up on battered woman's syndrome in order to grasp the connection between the ailment and faith. both the battered and the faithful feel the beater/god is omniscient, fear for their lives and the lives of their children, and simply cannot leave said god/beater.
@Skuch22 Your mind is fettered. You still haven't told me why you believe in god. You gave me an anecdotal story, not a reason why. Still you haven't told me what about your selected deity makes that one favored over the 1000's of other deities which have an equal chance at existence.
Use your brain. I know you have one. Don't be afraid to think. Knowing something is never harmful to ones self. The true definition of the word revelation, is a world shattering realization. They are beneficial.
@Xeletoph I told you why I believe in God. You want to know why you should believe in God. You want proof that you can see, again I can't provide it. You should seek out skeptics who have converted to Christianity and ask them these questions not some 20 year old college kid.
@Skuch22 I know why I shouldn't accept any religion at all - it's a waste of time, life, effort. It's a position of presupposition, self importance, arrogance. Many of the bible's fables are just plain unbelievable. Walking, talking snakes, talking bushes, people coming from dust and ribs, parents screwed their children, 450 foot long crafts fitting millions of species. World wide floods. People turning into pillars of salt. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's too much wrong.
@Xeletoph All religions say others from different faiths are mislead, and all religions have glaring things in common with one and other. This creates a double negative which means all religions are mislead; religion started out wrong and has only grown more wrong over time.
Proponents of religion openly admit that belief is more important then reality its self. "Blessed are those who believe and have not seen." Of course, that means there SHOULD be empirical proof - we all know there is none.
@Skuch22 I've done studies of religions world wide; and they all live in exclusive bubble, which deny, dispute, and even demonize other religions, and different sects of the same religion. Everybody inside the christian bubble thinks its true, while everybody outside the bubble, be it Muslims, Hindus or Buddhists, know the christian bubble is delusion. Meanwhile, those in their own respective bubbles think they're right. It's a logical mouse maze. With no reward cheese in the end.
@Xeletoph “Why do you believe in god?” I believe in God because I have seen what my life is like without my God. I was a drug addict, a womanizer, and an all around looser. After hearing the story of Christ and the sacrifice he made for me, I took a leap of FAITH and put my trust in Him. Through Christ I have truly been reborn. I am a new person through his love and grace.
(not sure why this part didn't post first) Why is the god you believe right while all thousands of others are wrong?" Thousands really? Let’s focus on the big four or the four biggest religions in the world. Right off the back you can take Christianity, Judaism, and Islam off the table when speaking about "different" Gods, because all three of these faiths share the same God "the God of Abraham" Christ was a Jew, only the Jews don't believe he was the Messiah.
@EthanHively So you're saying you used to live a normal life before you allowed some people to brain wash you. Normal people do drugs, have sex, and act like assholes all the time, & finding religion does not make a better person in this way, or any way for that matter. Ever hear "Jesus <3's U, But everybody else thinks you're an ass?"
Why be reborn, when you can just grow up?
I'm sorry, but believing in something does not and cannot make it true, not ever, no matter how sincere your belief.
@Xeletoph And Muslims believe in most of the same scripture as Christians, just not that Christ was the son of God. And then that poor Mohammad guy went and added a bunch of stuff to the story with the Koran. They even think Christ was a prophet. I don’t know what to say about Buddhism, except why would you worship a 5,000 man that preaches mostly about self control.(push away from the buffet)
I am in the minority amongst Christians, but I have to say that I believe God has made himself known to many peoples in many ways throughout the world and throughout history. I believe there are many paths to Heaven, weather it be through the Law of Judaism, The Good News of Christianity, or who knows maybe even through Allah and Islam. “God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would inherit the Kingdom”. God speaks to us all, we just have to have ears to listen.
@EthanHively I'm glad you can reconcile your religious feelings to not feel like you have to oppress others for not belonging to the same fan club you do. And I"m sorry, but a change in life style can occur with or without religion; god is not required, only the desire to change.
Yes, MILLIONS of gods have been worshiped threw out history. But they NEVER last. Logic and reason kills deities. Your god is just the latest copy of a lame idea. He'll go on the pile of dead gods one day as well.
The biggest difference between other religions and Christianity is the fact that all other religions have Man reaching up to God and in my faith My God is reaching down to me. He came to Earth in the form of Christ and died on a cross for my transgressions. He was perfect, flawless and he died the most excruciating (crucifixion is the root word of excruciating) death there was, for my benefit, so that I might have everlasting life in heaven with the Father. I was lost and now I'm found.
@EthanHively Now here's a question: Why is god's power so limited that he could NOT forgive us without sacrificing himself to himself in order to appease himself?
What is with these ritualistic sacrifices of blood in order to calm the fury of a deity that nobody even knows? What is so beautiful about this barbarism? The picture of a primitive tribe casting a virgin into a volcano to appease it; the eternal scape goat, the whipping boy.
@Xeletoph Answerer to Question 1 God created us in His image and free of sin. Because He is Holy, He is incapable of being in the presence of sin. We created that separation. The fall of man was because we chose to go our own way. Our free will is the greatest gift god gave us. He is not going to take that free will away. Instead He chose to come to earth as a man and take our punishment for us. All we have to do is believe in him and accept the grace he is offering. More free will.
@EthanHively You don't really think about your bible, do you? God is omnipotent, and you cannot have free will and predestination at once. Free will does not play into it, b/c god is all knowing and put the garden into motion knowing ahead of time that it wouldn't go well. Before he made the first human life he knew how events would unfold, that he would eventually want to drown practically all of us off the face of the planet. This in mind; why not make us otherwise? Is he some kind of sadist?
Free Will. God does know what’s going to happen. You know the first time you take the training wheels off of your sons’ bike he is going to fall a few times. Do you not by him the bike because of this? No you buy the bike and a helmet and even some health insurance. This way one day he will be able to have the freedom and the joy that the bike offers. The same way with God. He knows we're going to fail so he issues us a bike helmet named HOLY SPIRIT and a Health insurance policy named JESUS
@Xeletoph Answerer to Question 2 The penalty for sin is death, whether that is spiritual death or physical death. Our creator should defiantly have the right to repo his own creation. The beauty lies in the fact that God chose to take the penalty for us. He loved you enough to die on a cross for you. Would you prefer he just let the chips fall were they may and allow us to live in a world absent of love, mercy and grace? Without Gods impact on our world we would all be suffering in darkness.
@Xeletoph There are more Christians in China than in the U.S. (where by the way, it is illegal to be a Christian) and people from every country on the planet believe in Christ. Neither of my parents were Christians until I witnessed to them after my conversion.
@Skuch22 So the question becomes - What about your specific faith is right while so many other 1000's of possible gods are all wrong? How can you claim that an specific unknowable, unprovable entity exists while others do not? Do you understand the logical problem with this? Do you realize that every god has an equal opportunity to exist, and being how there are literally 1000's that the chance you're worshiping the right god is virtually zero? Have you done the math, do you know the facts?
@Xeletoph I don't need to see it to believe it, I have too many experiences with God to doubt. I was also not a Christian since I was born. I gave my life to Jesus Christ in 2009 when I was 19.
@Skuch22 Experiences with god? Anecdotal evidence means little; even if your experience is truly beyond explanation, it only means you had a paranormal experience & in no way does it mean there is a god.
To believe something you can't see, smell, touch, or taste is gullible.
The problem with a claim is that you have to provide evidence for said claim in order for it to be verified. Extreme claims require extreme evidence, and claims made without evidence can be excused without evidence.
@Xeletoph Have you ever really examined why you believe what you believe? Not just that you believe it, but the reason why? Have you ever considered why it is that you believe in the god you do, and not Vishnu, Krishna, or Osiris?
When you can examine why it is you don't believe in other possible gods, you will understand why a growing number of people don't believe in yours.
"To believe something you can't see, smell, touch, or taste is gullible."
Have you ever seen in person and with your own eyes; a million dollars, a nuclear bomb, the Holocaust, a Dinosaur or a Dodo bird? Have you smelled, touched or tasted any of those things? You believe that they exist or that they did exist because of records and accounts of other people. Or maybe you have even experienced their effect on your life. There are a lot of things in this world that we take on faith every day.
@EthanHively There is a difference between faith and personal experience and reasoned logic. Faith is what you believe without proof or even in the face of evidence contrary. I have seen dinosaurs because I've been the zoo - Emu's are now being reverse engineered using their latent genes, causing them to transform back into therapods they once were. I have seen the holocaust, or rather its results; the way it hurt those who still live. There is a difference between faith and trust. Learn it.
@Xeletoph Again you have never seen, smelled, touched, or tasted any of those things and you are relying on other people’s accounts to form your view. That is the same thing I am doing. There is nothing I have ever seen, touched, smelled or tasted that has led me to believe God doesn’t exist. To the contrary all of those senses lead me to KNOW that God does exist. He is real, He is active and He is loving. He Loves you too.
@EthanHively nope. they're personal experience and reasoned logic. There is no blind faith in the accounts of others because I have seen these kinds of experiments with my own two eyes. I have SEEN the tortured, withered bodies, the wounded psyches of those who survived the holocaust. I have seen the physical and emotional scars left behind by the events.
See, you don't understand what evidence IS. You can know what probably happened, without being around to see it. Look up forensic pathology.
@Xeletoph Again, I have witnessed for myself the power of God. I have seen the change in me and the change in other people I know. I have been called to leave a place only to see its inhabitants killed or hauled away minutes later. We are just trusting different evidence. I choose to see God and you chose not to. We will inevitably see what we want to see, and ignore what we don't want see. Hell is the only place you don't have to believe in, to go to.
@EthanHively Indirect observation is not Faith. Knowing the holocaust took place, or that now extinct creatures once existed is not faith. It does not count as faith because there are mountains of evidence for these things and faith is clearly something that requires a total lack of evidence.
See to be in your position is to be in one of ultimate dishonesty. You must lie to yourself and your opponent over and over again in order to maintain your argument. Not a shred of intellectual integrity.
Faith does not require a Total Lack of Evidence There is as you say a mountain of evidence, as far as I am concerned. The Bible itself is a piece of evidence. All the archeological evidence is pretty convincing as well. There has never been one archeological dig that has disproved one historical account in the Bible. When they found Jericho how did they see that the walls fell? Exactly as the Bible said they did The Romans were meticulous record keepers and they have records of Jesus.
@EthanHively the concept of faith is that it stands without evidence. If you are trying to shore up your religion with science and empirical facts then you are having what's called a crisis in faith. No, the bible is not evidence. To say it's true because it says its true is cyclical logic, which is a kind of thinking that leads you in circles, earning you no real answers. There is no archeological proof of the bible; any supposed proof has been debunked thoroughly, and completely.
@Xeletoph Your sources and mine are radically different. I was attempting to speak your language when citing scientific evidence. I defiantly have no crisis of faith and to the contrary I contend that you and people like you (people who spend so much time trying to debunk Gods existence) secretly know there is a God and it scares you to death. So you spend time trying to convince yourself by convincing me. I am called by God to spread the good news. Why do you insist on spreading the "bad news"?
@EthanHively you know I love projections. They're great ways to tell a person about your own short comings. But you see, the reason why we debunk your god is because religion is a harmful delusion in our species. It is hateful, divisive, and irrational, and has costed our species 1000 years of technological development. I find it funny that a book full of nonsense claims that people will say it's wrong - to me that's an admission of guilt.
@Xeletoph "But you see, the reason why we debunk your god is because religion is a harmful delusion in our species."
How exactly does this help your cause? Do you hope to convert me to Atheism? Do you hope others will read this and be swayed to your cause and eventually religion will be wiped out world wide? What is your end game Sir? Simply by telling you my point of view I have accomplished my goal. If it doesn't touch your heart then it doesn't. The results are not my concern.
@EthanHively It's harmful because people fly airplanes into buildings and kill thousands of people, when motivated by religion. You may say that's an extreme case, but these delusions can be serious. For every single decent religion two additional ones are insane. You can't sit there and tell me that children in Africa wouldn't be burning as witches if their christian priests weren't telling them to do so. But, there is not a single good thing religion does, that cannot be done without it.
The worst part about churches is that they are filled with people. Man distorts and uses the word of God for evil every day. Some “Christians” use it to discriminate against gays, while others use their positions to get close to and molest little kids. Just because you’re in a garage does not make you a car and just because you are in a Church it does not make you a true Christian. One good thing Christ has done is save my live. Without his influence I would not be alive today .
@EthanHively We are one species, one humanity, one planet, one nation, one people. There is no difference between the psychological and fundamental needs of one human or another. We all gather under the same banner of humanity. We did not fall from some kind of higher way of living; history shows that the past was only harder on humans back then. This idea that we are damned restricts our ability to prosper as a species; it holds us back on every imaginable level. That is why we fight religion.
@Xeletoph Well my job is done here. I am called to be a witness to The Good News of Jesus Christ and share my testimony with you, and I have done so. I am to plant the seed. It is the job of The Holy Spirit to concern Himself with the results. I have read Revelations and I know how this story ends. I for one feel Blessed to be on the right side of God if not History. Peace and Love be with you always & good luck to you Sir.
@EthanHively My entire point is to encourage a little bit of intellectual honesty here. It is equally reasonable to doubt god as it is to doubt gnomes. Being that there's no reason to believe these things, no reason other then fear to believe in any version of the after life, then an agnostic approach is technically the most humble position to take. "Idk - nor do you." would be the wisest statement to make. But see, I put my chips in with probability - and god is just not probably enough for me.
I don't have anything to loose by following Christ. I don't follow Him out of fear, rather because I am grateful. If one is to truly follow the teachings of Christ, the worst outcome is that they live a moral life full of rich connections to other people. They would spend their life as servants, Servants to each other and servants to God. We would always put other people fist. "Love one another" We would do all these things and more, die and there would B nothing no God. But I lived a good life.
@EthanHively Yes, I've heard this concept before - "the nearer the church the further from god." A concept that I've found to be strange. I've never understood the need to go into a house to worship an deity. Glass breaks, stone shatters, wood burns, but the concept of deity is eternal - I'd think such an entity wouldn't be incapable of dwelling within corporeal constructs because they don't emulate his being; that of course being perfect and unobtainable. Of course, therein lays the problem:
@Xeletoph The Word Sais "gather on the first day of the week" We come together on Sundays because we are meant to live in community with one another. "As steal sharpens steal so should man sharpen man" We worship God every day of the week by the way we treat one another and how we effect those we come into contact with on a daily basis. On Sundays we come to both be fed (the word through the sermon) and to feed (whether it’s teaching or just encouraging) one another. We also worship in song.
@EthanHively That problem being; god is supposed to be ultimately mysterious, elusive, beyond the cognitive grasp of those who believe in him. But shortly after making this claim about the deity they go into listing a bunch of attributes about that entity. Calling him things like just, jealous, wrathful, loving, intelligent, and what he wants, loves, hates, and what he'll do for whom under which circumstances. I'm surprised church attendees never ask "How do you know this shit?"
@Xeletoph We get a pretty good understanding of who God is through His word (The Bible). We will never fully understand him, but how could we. We are a lesser life form. Can a dog ever fully understand his Master? But the dog does know that his master is kind or that his master feeds him regularly. It's not that complicated, we know what we need to know of God for now. All will be reveled when we are justified and made perfect, when we reach the Promised Land. I hope to see you there Brother.
@EthanHively That's all fine and dandy but it's all muddied by the fact that you can't prove the bible is true. I know the book says it's true, but that's not proof unto it's self. There are a vast quantity of items in the bible that we KNOW are completely and totally wrong. Some of these things are glaring contradictions to reality. But the bible is a dangerous tool because it teaches where reality doesn't support the bible, reality is wrong. Fitting millions of creations on a 450 foot boat?
@Xeletoph A lot of Christians get it twisted. What I mean by this is that they think the Bible is 100% literal. When the Bible speaks of God creating the world in 7 days, they stop right there and say” it took God 7 days to create the world”. Later in the Bible it talks about “to God a day is like thousand years and a thousand years is like a day”, meaning that God does not experience time in the same way that we do.
@Xeletoph Especially with the Old Testament, these stories are 5,000 years old or more and passed down orally for a lot of that time. When we get bogged down in too many specifics we loose the moral of the story. Ancient Jews had a different way of thinking and communicating. They told parables to each other in order to make a point. Jesus did the same thing, with the stories he told. These allow for so much more depth in discussion, & that’s the point. God wants us to discuss these things.
@EthanHively See its those kinds of inconsistencies that push me away from religion. I know there are good theists, and there are some good religions to be found as well. But see, so many believers are guilty of trying to claim the US is a Xtian nation when it was founded by a panel of Deists; Deism going extinct and becoming Agnosticism. And then they try to merge their little doctrine into biast legislation. Its clear the bible says to pray in the closet - but most believers don't read it.
@XeletophThat’s just dumb, read the declaration of independence or the Constitution or even the federalist papers. There where definitely Men involved with the founding of our country that where not Christian but the overwhelming amount were Christian men. The Pilgrims came here because of religious persecution. Our country is, was and will continue to be predominantly a Christian nation. 1.6% of Americans are atheists while 78.4% say they are Christian -The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life
No, that is accurate. Both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison had grate hands in the constitution. They talk many times how this is a SECULAR nation. Just because the country is full of christians doesn't change how the constitution works or deny any secular principles of government. Your free to practice your religion just not free to force it on others.
@TheAtheistPaladin I'm not sure I quite understand what point you're trying to make. My point was and is that the majority of our Founding Fathers, and the early Americans were Christian and that a majority of Americans are still Christian. Our Government/Country has no official religion and no laws are made to support or hinder a specific religion. Christians don't force our religion on anyone, God wants me to tell the story and you to make up your own mind.(back to that free will thing again)
Nobody is arguing demographics. Of course christians are in the majority, but I don't think you understand the phrase "christian nation". That is not about demographics, but dominance. Hince my reply. As for the founding fathers that is only partly true. Many where still, however; deists and universalists. If you are not agruing for christian dominance in laws of the land, then what is the point of bring up these points?
@TheAtheistPaladin "The Declaration of Independence states, "[Men] are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It also states that these rights are "self evident" and that they constitute the "Laws of Nature." These principles are taken directly from the Bible. The Law of Nature can be viewed in Romans 2:14-16. That our Creator is the Author of life is seen in Genesis 2:7."
1) The Declaration is not a legal document. It is only of historical note.
2) Two Jefferson was a Deist, so obviously he wasn't referring to the bible. Further, if you read the works of John Locke, you will see greater references to than the bible.
3) Again, why are you making this point? What are you trying to prove?
@TheAtheistPaladin I'm simply proving the point that this country was founded on Christian values and even our founding documents show this. "In God we trust" is even on our money. When you testify in court one traditionally swears on a Bible to tell the truth. "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." We where, are and will continue to be a Christian Country.
@EthanHively Furthemore, you need to look MUCH deeper then the bible if you want to find the TRUE source of unalienable rights. The very first people to ever conceive that people are equal were infact the Zoroastrians. These people come from an era that predates christianity by 1000's and 1000's of years. Such rights are also covered in Tibetan, Budhist, and other eastern religions, and of course early western civs like druids. So if you want to be super technical, the usa is PAGAN founded.
@EthanHively You seem to know your bible well, and I acknowledge that. That in it's self is an accomplishment. I'm offering you a challenge to look beyond Justin the Martyr's apology, which is really a hasty and pathetic excuse, and dig for origin of your religion; it's traditions, it's history. You seem an intelligent, learned individual. You have a mind that thirsts for knowledge. Feed it!
@Xeletoph There is no record of Christ’s life between the ages of 12 and 30. At the same time there are records in Sutras of a wondering traveler from the west, coming and learning the Buddhists traditions. These feed my belief that God has revealed himself too many people and in different ways. I agree that most religions are intertwined and too me at least I don't see a conflict.
@Xeletoph "God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would inherit eternal life" Which is why it makes sense to me that God would tell his story to many different people and in so many different ways. He wants as many people as possible to know him. Regardless of the specifics of the faith, I believe all of the worlds true faiths have one common theme and moral to them."Love one another" If we can do that, it won’t matter who we call God, as long as we call on him. .
@EthanHively I don't see how that works, Ethan. Through out the millions of gods that have been worshipped through out history, they have had different stories, different concepts, different personalities, different aspects. There are indeed many parallels. For instance, Zoroaster's greatest antagonist is his own shadow, Zarathustra. There in its self is a paralell between god and old religions, because Lucifer descended from Yahweh kinda like Zarathustra came from Zoroaster.
@EthanHively there are many, many commonalities from faith's across nations and even oceans. But all the deities share just one very important thing in common: They've pretty well fallen into disarray and are no longer being worshiped. As previously stated, logic and reason is lethal to deities. Yahweh is no exception to this rule of thumb. Infact there are studies that suggest the only reason why Christianity has lasted even 2000 years is b/c it's became intertwined with the legal system.
@EthanHively I'm sure you realize that Jesus was not the first avatar. It's clear that Jesus is the latest incarnation of the same sun god that humans have been worshiping since we crawled out of the primordial soup. You'd be surprised how much Hercules shares in common with Jesus. Especially Mithras and Dionysus. Hell, even Robin Hood shares some things in common with Jesus. Search the web for Lord Raglans The Hero.
@Xeletoph I'm not claiming to have all the answers and I am definitely not saying that all religions are true faiths. I'm basically saying that this is what works for me and that I am constantly on a journey toward God. I might be wrong and you might be right, but it's my faith that keeps me centered and full of joy. It would be a pretty boring world if everyone agreed on everything. I love the fact that in this great country we can have opposing views and not be opposed to each other.
@EthanHively Forgive me, but the fact that a religious man is happier then a skeptic is no more to the point then a drunkard is happier then a straight edge.
What you have faith in is not god, but other people. Which is fine, because at least that's something tangible. Try thinking about who you heard about Jesus from, and then ask that person about who they recieved the news from. Then go to that person and ask them the same question. No matter where you turn, nobody will ever show you Jesus.
@EthanHively Infact if you search for years you'll only be introduced to people. More and more people - You'll never, ever get to the culprit; that being Christ/Ra/Horus/Mithra/Hercules/Dionysus.
Most theists get angry when you point these parallels out. Most theists claim they don't worship any of those pagan gods. But that's because it's plain to see, that if they could cross reference their reasons against worshiping other possible gods with their own; they'd end up free thinking. Horrible..
@TheAtheistPaladin That God, not government, grants liberty is seen in Galatians 5:1. The "pursuit of happiness" is found in Ecclesiastes 3:13.Beyond that, virtually every one of the ten articles contained in the Bill of Rights has Biblical foundation. The First Amendment recognizes the natural right of freedom of speech, religion and assembly. Christians are clearly given divine instruction regarding each of these responsibilities.
What are you talking about? The first amendment is apposed in the bible. You cannot change your religion or preach another religion. You cannot speak agaisnt your leaders... because god put them there. Seriously, there is no grounding for the first. For Ecclesiastes you are aware that it is written from the idea that there is no afterlife? So of course be merry, but that has nothing to do with governance.
@TheAtheistPaladin Our founding documents properly established a government designed to "secure these rights." Therefore, under the First Amendment, Christians are free to preach the Gospel and to assemble for worship.Likewise, the Second Amendment has Biblical foundation. Luke 22:35, 36 He said, "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
@TheAtheistPaladin Other articles contained in the Bill of Rights also have Biblical basis. For example, the Fourth Amendment comes from Deuteronomy 24:10, 11. The Eighth Amendment originates in Deuteronomy 15: 2, 3. Again, these principles are "self evident" truths which come from "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." Even America's constitutional form of government consisting of three co-equal branches, legislative, executive and judicial is taken directly from Isaiah 33:22
Did you think I would not look these verses up? Deu 24:10 is about debt and getting the pedge from someone dead. Deu 15 is about the release of indentured servants. I means Seriously... the bible supports the 8th amendment? IT ORDERS PEOPLE TO BE STONED IF THEY PICK UP STICKS ON A SATURDAY!!! Further, the three branches comes from Locke!!!!
Again, our government was form from the ideas of John Locke and Thomas Hobbs, and the current events of the times. Take for example the 3rd amendment. British soldiers use to had to be put up by the colonies. The bible or christianity didn't have a hand in that Amendment.
@EthanHively actually the Roman reference you speak of is only referring to a title, that being "Christos", not a person. Josephus has been shown to be forgery time and time again. Bringing us right back to there being no proof of the bible.
@EthanHively See; I don't have faith that a light switch is going to turn a light on when I flip it. I don't have faith that when I press the break peddle, my car will stop, or when I press the gas peddle it will go. I don't have faith that the toilet will flush when I press the handle. I have TRUST in these things, because of experiences in my past saying that these actions equal a reaction. A pattern I've found, which earned trust. But if those things stopped working, I would trust no more.
@Xeletoph "I have TRUST in these things, because of experiences in my past saying that these actions equal a reaction." You took the words right out of my mouth. I too have trust (In God) because of my past experiences with him. He has never let me down and has always been there for me, even when I was turning away from him. God has always been faithful.
@EthanHively in forensics, often the goal is to find out as much about a crime scene as possible, even though you never directly witnessed the crime. You OBSERVE things like blood spatter patterns, finger prints, any tools used, and of course genetic leavings on the scene. There is no bias b/c the pathologist has no vested interest in victim or criminal. Utilizing these things it is possible to find out what took place at the scene of the crime without ever having placed your eyes upon it.
@EthanHively And you say yourself that Jesus was perfect. He was sinless, right? But he was punished anyhow. What's with that? If god is willing to punish the innocent so the guilty can go free, what does that say about his sense of justice?
I would atone for my own wrong doings, begging forgiveness from those I've hurt. I've seen no god. How could one carbon unit, on earth, in no less the milky way- possibly betray something so magnificent as the concept of deity?
@Xeletoph If you watch the news, you will see what man does to man. We are evil to each other. We cheat, steal, rape, murder, lie etc. There is nothing you can do to atone for these things. You can do things that make you feel better about the situation, but atone you have not. The worst thing in the world is mans inhumanity to man.
@EthanHively I don't watch the news because I don't want the propaganda injection. Big name companies with vested interest own all the major news outlets. Whistle blowing reporters get threatened or fired. While murder has dropped 20% over the past 2 decades the report of it has inflated by 600%.This means mainstream tv news is not clean information. Only underground outlets are reputable these days.
Furthermore, I don't do any of those crimes you listed so I don't need to atone for them.
@Xeletoph Saying you don't lie is a lie. Everyone on the planet lies, probably every day. Either outright or through omission, you lie. How about Lust, envy, pride, immoral sex, smoking, drugs, cursing, drunkenness, etc. We all fall short and God does not distinguish between murder and lies. All deserve death and all require repentance. Thinking you don't need the love that only God can provide is your biggest mistake.
In modern times, if a man has sex with a women without her consent what do we call it? Rape. How do we feel about men who treat women this way? They're monsters.
Problem is: I don't remember dear Mary ever consenting to bedding with Yahweh. He sent an angel to her dreams and said "gratz, yer preggerz'. How is that not rape? If I inseminated a woman in her sleep, I would go to jail. If she got pregnant it would be a tragedy. As is the bible.
@Xeletoph That's just dumb. There was no seaman involved and no one bedded down with anyone. You can try to turn things ugly all day, that doesn't make it so. The Virgin Mary was impregnated through the power of god supernaturally. That was your weakest argument yet.
@EthanHively LOL Dude, insemination was beside the point. Even if god is impotent, he still got a woman pregnant without her permission. That = RAPE. We know full well that semen must meet an egg for a woman to get pregnant. There are no parthenogetic humans; we cannot reproduce without sex meaning that Marry (about 14 years old at the time) got it on with SOMEBODY.
And I'm sorry that the bible's tales are grim, but truly reading the bible, without bias is all that's needed to make it ugly.
@Xeletoph Your greatest weakness is the fact that you can't see the forest for the trees. You are so smart that you’re stupid. You can try to punch holes in the word all day if you want. The Bible speaks about you when it says that "to non believers the word will sound like foolishness". God has already separated the sheep from the goats and knows your heart and whether you will "ever seek not your own understanding" and follow him to glory or follow man strait to hell. "I am just a messenger".
When will Jesus come back? The simplest answer to this question is that Jesus will come back when he comes back. Glad that I could share some wisdom with ya:)
YEAH! He really came in the clouds with the angels at the ressurection! Yeah, he really judged the unbelievers then too! Yeah, you are so right! And it makes sense that he'd tell everyone he'd come back before the generation passed away when he only meant he'd be gone 3 days! RIGHT! You are a freaking GENIUS! Where have you been for the last year?????
In Matthew 24 Jesus describes the destruction of the temple, rumors of war and tribulations that will mean destruction to all jews who remain in Judea, saying this will happen before the passing of the next generation.
About 40 year later, Titus did destroy the temple, taking down every brick so as to strip away all the gold. The Roman armies laid siege to to Jerusalem and 100s of Jews committed suicide, rather than be taken by the Romans.
-C- world and since that day have not fully recovered. They've been continually suffering tribulations of war and persecution, even unto today.
Jesus tell the his followers that during this time, people will continually be claiming the second coming is here, or almost here, but not to believe it, because no one can say when He will come.
He says He will come, after the days of tribulation, but a day to God is not necessarily a day to man.
But you still not discount the fact that Jesus said "Some of you will not taste death". Kinda funny to say since I am pretty sure that they are all dead now.
Jesus my lord will come back my friend whether you like it or not. and when you stand before him you will give an account for everything you have done especially for not believing on Jesus. but im praying for you and pleading for you to get saved before its too late cause the day of the lord is almost here. May God bless and forgive you cause you know not what you do.
I wonder sometimes, Do they even watch the video before they comment? All they see is an atheist talk about the return of Jesus. If they watch the freakin' video, they would know I answered the question. Jesus is 2000 years past due. He was absolutely clear that he would be back IN THE LIFE TIME OF THE APOSTLES. There has yet to be an reasonable response to this.
just look around if your a real christan just look at the politics and whats happening w/oil and just life and u will find out the w/in like 35 years jesus will come back because he says the he would not lit man destroy earth!
whenyour walking around in hell you'll try to believe
MANDIMONROE 2 days ago
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youneekk 8 months ago
this pastor obviously has a direct insight into God's thinking. I'm surprised that God hasn't shared this revelation with his vicar on earth, the Pope, rather than with this insignificant little man
akanippy 9 months ago
@akanippy
The pope is not any more significant than anyone else. If there is a god, then we would be all ants.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
Fortunately, I do not believe that there is a God, so I don't have to feel like an ant and can stand up like a man. You can be an ant. If you wish
akanippy 9 months ago
@akanippy
If, dude, IF.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin
sorry i don't understand this response. what do you mean?'if' what?
akanippy 9 months ago
@akanippy
If this then that. No god, no ants.
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
I love the way Christians tie ourselves in knots trying to explain away the inconsistencies in the Bible, having assumed that it is absolute truth. All inconsistencies are swept away by recognising the fact that there is no God. don't worry about the pastor's predictions we will still all be here on Sunday. His excuse will probably be that God changed his mind and decided to forgive us yet again. This excuse will allow the pastor to repeat his predictions indefinitely.
akanippy 9 months ago
@akanippy
Actually he made the claim that god cannot change his mind on this. Due to some "double rule".
TheAtheistPaladin 9 months ago
REV 22-16 IS THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR-VENUS WORSHIP--ITS ALL ASTROTHEOLOGY-JESUS IS REPTILLIAN WORSHIP-AND HE WAS BARIED IN SRINIGAR-INDIA--ANYWAYS--CHRISTIANITY IS --A THROW AWAY SOLAR CULT RELIGION WAKE UP-THE SAME STORY WAS RUNNING AROUND THE MED FOR `1000 YEARS BEFORE RA HORUS--MYTHRA-KRISHNA-SAME STORIES --IT CAME THRU THE MEROVIGN BLOODLINE THIS RELIGULOUS NONSENSE
ww.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y DONT' REPLY UNTIL U HAVE WATCHED
theywarnedus 9 months ago
Can we slow him down a lil because I am going to vegas in December
hakaboy6924 11 months ago
@hakaboy6924
How do you slow down never? I am sure you have plenty of time to have an entire life.
TheAtheistPaladin 11 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin sweet because I love a good sequel
hakaboy6924 11 months ago
What you may be missing about me is that I live my life by an ethical code of humanism, and altruism. Life pertains to a certain kind of urgency - you only get one chance. Life is a fleeting, highly unlikely gift from the cosmos, and it aught not be squandered. This means that there may yet be a heaven, but we have to make it here on earth. Nothing is granted to us, says we should be safe, special, or protected. All those wants and needs exists only in through humans. Not gods.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
So I guess you mus think I fear:
The Tooth Fairy
Santa Clause
The Easter Bunny
Unicorns
Leprechauns and anything else that people imagine exist. No, friend. I am only trying to shake you free of your delusions, and your anger at me means I'm making sense to you. Right now you are dueling with your own ability to reason, and your desire to feel safe, protected, special, belonging. Do not let your emotions rule you - they only blind your judgment.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
Heh.. Here's a funny: if god can't get a boner then I guess that explains steeples. Because it's clear that a steeple is nothing more then a subconscious manifestation of a huge stiff penis. Maybe that's why he doesn't want us masturbating? This renders a simple erection as an insult to god. WOW! O.O How envious!
Just to think: I can do something that god can't. ;)
Xeletoph 11 months ago
The destruction of the temple is not literal......it is referring to the destruction of the end time churches through the "abomination" who is satan, sitting in the temple, which is the end time churches. God will purposely put Satan in control of the churches as punishment for their disobedience. This is the Great Tribultion. It is almost over now.
jmallton 1 year ago
@jmallton
Based on what? What makes this not an ad hoc explanation?
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago
@TheAtheistPaladin I could say the same thing.............it is almost done now
jmallton 1 year ago
@jmallton
There is nothing ad hoc about my position. The Disciples asked when is the temple going to be destroyed and Jesus answered to never elaborate as he usually does for metaphors. Nothing ad hoc about that.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago
@jmallton Don't bother talking to unbelievers it is a waste of time. They cannot see or prove anything they say but sadly neither can we at this point in time. There will come a time where we can travel dimensions and find out for ourselves. Christians then will not be proven wrong because science will find it.
AurumenK 1 year ago
@AurumenK You may very well be correct......and yes it truly is a waste of time to talk with non believers....
jmallton 1 year ago
@jmallton
Then you waste your own time calling yourself a christian. Because if you think it is a "waste of time", then you just cast aside one of Jesus' last command.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago
@TheAtheistPaladin This is a perfect example of why not to waste time on non believers......Jesus said not to cast your pearls on swine.....it is fruitless
jmallton 1 year ago
@jmallton
The context to that was addressed to the Pharisees. If I am not mistaken, they where believers. Just that there flaw as hypocrisy, not non-belief. None-the-less, you still cannot deny the DIRECT command of your lord. What this really is an perfect example of is christian presumed superiority complexes.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago
@TheAtheistPaladin No superiority complex here......just aware enough to know that both parties are set in there beliefs and nothing will be accomplished.....
jmallton 1 year ago
@jmallton
So you took christmas to talk to me. That is nice.
I am glad that you are honest enough to admit that you are stubborn and will not change, but you can not and do not speak for me. If I am provided the right argument or the right evidence I will change my position. I hold no loyalty to my atheism. You haven't shared anything to determine that at all.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago
@AurumenK
That is exactly what Jesus commanded. Don't spread the gospel! Specially to those who require logic and evidence to believe in your claims!
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago
Chuck Norris
godkrat0s 1 year ago
a reprobate!
sthcrox 1 year ago
No matter if you believe in God or not but What if the rapture happens? what if God does come back and everything is true? Then what? This whole thing is a mystery. people can not prove or disprove that there is or isn't a god. I have read the prophecies and alot of them are fulfilled and are being fulfilled. If this second coming actually happens, well I don't want to be against him. Thats all I have to say about that
Skuch22 2 years ago
And if Islam is right? or Hinduism is Right? You argument can apply to all religions equally, thus making it useless.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
well I guess ur argument is useless to then.
Skuch22 2 years ago
Not my argument, YOUR argument. Your argument relies on fear, it relies on unknowable "what ifs" . I deal specifically with passages, which your argument didn't even address... So stop being a dumbass.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
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Skuch22 2 years ago
@Skuch22 lol you claim TAP's argument is full of what ifs, and then provide a bunch youself, and then you hand him hell for doing the same? How about actually THINK about the question TAP asked you? You must realize that the soul reason you're christian is because your parents are, and because you were born in america where christianity happens to be a popular religion. In the middle east, in Africa, in India, in Norway, and everwhere else, those people believe in their gods just as much as you.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph ok
Skuch22 1 year ago
@Skuch22 I have asked you several direct questions. And now I'm pressing you to answer them. Why do you believe in god? Why is the god you believe right while all thousands of others are wrong?
Try to make me understand why it is you feel you can make a positive claim about an unknowable entity, and why it is that you're making these claims about said deity, amongst 1000's of other possible deities which have an equal chance at existence or non-existence?
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph Jesus Christ physically, well a light that I knew had to be Jesus came into my dorm room while I was debating whether to keep living or not, he hugged me and showed me why I was created when I saw no purpose for myself. I was not asking for a sign from God when this happened I just opened my life up to the possibility of there being a God, and if hes real why he created me.
Skuch22 1 year ago
@Skuch22 Well that's a very beautiful and transcendental story. But like I said before, anecdotal stories can't prove the supernatural. It just doesn't work - the supernatural is beyond human understanding, that's why its called 'supernatural'. paranormal is a state of unknowing, that's why it's called paranormal. So using paranormal stories to define the supernatural is folly - it's like using an ice-cube to explain what a fire is like.
"I can't describe this - therefor I can describe it"
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Skuch22 Continuing onward - Anecdotal stories also can't provide defintion for god, even if they have eye-witnesses. See, a memory is your recollection of your perception of an event. Memory is faulty because it breaks down over time, perception is faulty because it is an extreme variable which is firmly tied to the individual. No matter how long ago this happened, or maybe even didn't really happen, your recollection and perceptions are variables so strong, that it renders the story useless.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Skuch22 And by useless I mean, unable in every way to provide empirical, reproducible, verifiable, evidence for your case. Maybe what occurred is real to you, but that doesn't mean its real to reality. Personal experiences seldom are. I could have a personal experience that a gnome lived on my shoulder - It'd be true to me, but does that mean that said gnome would be true to reality as well? Absolutely not!
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph If u want proof on paper I can not give it to u. You know that. My faith in Jesus Christ can never be taken away from me, I will die rather then deny him/his existence. I understand why its hard for a person with a scientific mind like yourself to fathom why people believe in something without proof. But the proof for me is what I experienced and the fire inside that I can't deny.
Skuch22 1 year ago
@Skuch22 I'm not trying to steal anything from you. I'm not trying to take your faith, your bible, or your beliefs from you at all. I'm only trying to encourage you to be intellectually honest.
Faith cannot provide realness, our personal beliefs have no impact on reality what so ever.
A concept such as faith is riddled with personal prejudice, in group bias, and congestive distortions.
In any considerable medium or concept, believing anything without proof is gullibility, and/or delusion.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph I mean COGNITIVE distortions* lol. Auto complete is a pain in the ass....
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Skuch22 You should read the definitions of delusion and Faith. Both are held onto under great pressure and diversity, both are insisted upon irregardless of evidence or even in the shadow of evidence against their faith/delusion. Read up on battered woman's syndrome in order to grasp the connection between the ailment and faith. both the battered and the faithful feel the beater/god is omniscient, fear for their lives and the lives of their children, and simply cannot leave said god/beater.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Skuch22 Your mind is fettered. You still haven't told me why you believe in god. You gave me an anecdotal story, not a reason why. Still you haven't told me what about your selected deity makes that one favored over the 1000's of other deities which have an equal chance at existence.
Use your brain. I know you have one. Don't be afraid to think. Knowing something is never harmful to ones self. The true definition of the word revelation, is a world shattering realization. They are beneficial.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph I told you why I believe in God. You want to know why you should believe in God. You want proof that you can see, again I can't provide it. You should seek out skeptics who have converted to Christianity and ask them these questions not some 20 year old college kid.
Skuch22 1 year ago
@Skuch22 I know why I shouldn't accept any religion at all - it's a waste of time, life, effort. It's a position of presupposition, self importance, arrogance. Many of the bible's fables are just plain unbelievable. Walking, talking snakes, talking bushes, people coming from dust and ribs, parents screwed their children, 450 foot long crafts fitting millions of species. World wide floods. People turning into pillars of salt. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's too much wrong.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph All religions say others from different faiths are mislead, and all religions have glaring things in common with one and other. This creates a double negative which means all religions are mislead; religion started out wrong and has only grown more wrong over time.
Proponents of religion openly admit that belief is more important then reality its self. "Blessed are those who believe and have not seen." Of course, that means there SHOULD be empirical proof - we all know there is none.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Skuch22 I've done studies of religions world wide; and they all live in exclusive bubble, which deny, dispute, and even demonize other religions, and different sects of the same religion. Everybody inside the christian bubble thinks its true, while everybody outside the bubble, be it Muslims, Hindus or Buddhists, know the christian bubble is delusion. Meanwhile, those in their own respective bubbles think they're right. It's a logical mouse maze. With no reward cheese in the end.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph “Why do you believe in god?” I believe in God because I have seen what my life is like without my God. I was a drug addict, a womanizer, and an all around looser. After hearing the story of Christ and the sacrifice he made for me, I took a leap of FAITH and put my trust in Him. Through Christ I have truly been reborn. I am a new person through his love and grace.
EthanHively 11 months ago
(not sure why this part didn't post first) Why is the god you believe right while all thousands of others are wrong?" Thousands really? Let’s focus on the big four or the four biggest religions in the world. Right off the back you can take Christianity, Judaism, and Islam off the table when speaking about "different" Gods, because all three of these faiths share the same God "the God of Abraham" Christ was a Jew, only the Jews don't believe he was the Messiah.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively So you're saying you used to live a normal life before you allowed some people to brain wash you. Normal people do drugs, have sex, and act like assholes all the time, & finding religion does not make a better person in this way, or any way for that matter. Ever hear "Jesus <3's U, But everybody else thinks you're an ass?"
Why be reborn, when you can just grow up?
I'm sorry, but believing in something does not and cannot make it true, not ever, no matter how sincere your belief.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph And Muslims believe in most of the same scripture as Christians, just not that Christ was the son of God. And then that poor Mohammad guy went and added a bunch of stuff to the story with the Koran. They even think Christ was a prophet. I don’t know what to say about Buddhism, except why would you worship a 5,000 man that preaches mostly about self control.(push away from the buffet)
EthanHively 11 months ago
I am in the minority amongst Christians, but I have to say that I believe God has made himself known to many peoples in many ways throughout the world and throughout history. I believe there are many paths to Heaven, weather it be through the Law of Judaism, The Good News of Christianity, or who knows maybe even through Allah and Islam. “God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would inherit the Kingdom”. God speaks to us all, we just have to have ears to listen.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively I'm glad you can reconcile your religious feelings to not feel like you have to oppress others for not belonging to the same fan club you do. And I"m sorry, but a change in life style can occur with or without religion; god is not required, only the desire to change.
Yes, MILLIONS of gods have been worshiped threw out history. But they NEVER last. Logic and reason kills deities. Your god is just the latest copy of a lame idea. He'll go on the pile of dead gods one day as well.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
The biggest difference between other religions and Christianity is the fact that all other religions have Man reaching up to God and in my faith My God is reaching down to me. He came to Earth in the form of Christ and died on a cross for my transgressions. He was perfect, flawless and he died the most excruciating (crucifixion is the root word of excruciating) death there was, for my benefit, so that I might have everlasting life in heaven with the Father. I was lost and now I'm found.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively Now here's a question: Why is god's power so limited that he could NOT forgive us without sacrificing himself to himself in order to appease himself?
What is with these ritualistic sacrifices of blood in order to calm the fury of a deity that nobody even knows? What is so beautiful about this barbarism? The picture of a primitive tribe casting a virgin into a volcano to appease it; the eternal scape goat, the whipping boy.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph Answerer to Question 1 God created us in His image and free of sin. Because He is Holy, He is incapable of being in the presence of sin. We created that separation. The fall of man was because we chose to go our own way. Our free will is the greatest gift god gave us. He is not going to take that free will away. Instead He chose to come to earth as a man and take our punishment for us. All we have to do is believe in him and accept the grace he is offering. More free will.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively You don't really think about your bible, do you? God is omnipotent, and you cannot have free will and predestination at once. Free will does not play into it, b/c god is all knowing and put the garden into motion knowing ahead of time that it wouldn't go well. Before he made the first human life he knew how events would unfold, that he would eventually want to drown practically all of us off the face of the planet. This in mind; why not make us otherwise? Is he some kind of sadist?
Xeletoph 11 months ago
Free Will. God does know what’s going to happen. You know the first time you take the training wheels off of your sons’ bike he is going to fall a few times. Do you not by him the bike because of this? No you buy the bike and a helmet and even some health insurance. This way one day he will be able to have the freedom and the joy that the bike offers. The same way with God. He knows we're going to fail so he issues us a bike helmet named HOLY SPIRIT and a Health insurance policy named JESUS
EthanHively 11 months ago
@Xeletoph Answerer to Question 2 The penalty for sin is death, whether that is spiritual death or physical death. Our creator should defiantly have the right to repo his own creation. The beauty lies in the fact that God chose to take the penalty for us. He loved you enough to die on a cross for you. Would you prefer he just let the chips fall were they may and allow us to live in a world absent of love, mercy and grace? Without Gods impact on our world we would all be suffering in darkness.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@Xeletoph There are more Christians in China than in the U.S. (where by the way, it is illegal to be a Christian) and people from every country on the planet believe in Christ. Neither of my parents were Christians until I witnessed to them after my conversion.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@Skuch22 So the question becomes - What about your specific faith is right while so many other 1000's of possible gods are all wrong? How can you claim that an specific unknowable, unprovable entity exists while others do not? Do you understand the logical problem with this? Do you realize that every god has an equal opportunity to exist, and being how there are literally 1000's that the chance you're worshiping the right god is virtually zero? Have you done the math, do you know the facts?
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph I don't need to see it to believe it, I have too many experiences with God to doubt. I was also not a Christian since I was born. I gave my life to Jesus Christ in 2009 when I was 19.
Skuch22 1 year ago
@Skuch22 Experiences with god? Anecdotal evidence means little; even if your experience is truly beyond explanation, it only means you had a paranormal experience & in no way does it mean there is a god.
To believe something you can't see, smell, touch, or taste is gullible.
The problem with a claim is that you have to provide evidence for said claim in order for it to be verified. Extreme claims require extreme evidence, and claims made without evidence can be excused without evidence.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
@Xeletoph Have you ever really examined why you believe what you believe? Not just that you believe it, but the reason why? Have you ever considered why it is that you believe in the god you do, and not Vishnu, Krishna, or Osiris?
When you can examine why it is you don't believe in other possible gods, you will understand why a growing number of people don't believe in yours.
Xeletoph 1 year ago
"To believe something you can't see, smell, touch, or taste is gullible."
Have you ever seen in person and with your own eyes; a million dollars, a nuclear bomb, the Holocaust, a Dinosaur or a Dodo bird? Have you smelled, touched or tasted any of those things? You believe that they exist or that they did exist because of records and accounts of other people. Or maybe you have even experienced their effect on your life. There are a lot of things in this world that we take on faith every day.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively There is a difference between faith and personal experience and reasoned logic. Faith is what you believe without proof or even in the face of evidence contrary. I have seen dinosaurs because I've been the zoo - Emu's are now being reverse engineered using their latent genes, causing them to transform back into therapods they once were. I have seen the holocaust, or rather its results; the way it hurt those who still live. There is a difference between faith and trust. Learn it.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph Again you have never seen, smelled, touched, or tasted any of those things and you are relying on other people’s accounts to form your view. That is the same thing I am doing. There is nothing I have ever seen, touched, smelled or tasted that has led me to believe God doesn’t exist. To the contrary all of those senses lead me to KNOW that God does exist. He is real, He is active and He is loving. He Loves you too.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively nope. they're personal experience and reasoned logic. There is no blind faith in the accounts of others because I have seen these kinds of experiments with my own two eyes. I have SEEN the tortured, withered bodies, the wounded psyches of those who survived the holocaust. I have seen the physical and emotional scars left behind by the events.
See, you don't understand what evidence IS. You can know what probably happened, without being around to see it. Look up forensic pathology.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph Again, I have witnessed for myself the power of God. I have seen the change in me and the change in other people I know. I have been called to leave a place only to see its inhabitants killed or hauled away minutes later. We are just trusting different evidence. I choose to see God and you chose not to. We will inevitably see what we want to see, and ignore what we don't want see. Hell is the only place you don't have to believe in, to go to.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively Indirect observation is not Faith. Knowing the holocaust took place, or that now extinct creatures once existed is not faith. It does not count as faith because there are mountains of evidence for these things and faith is clearly something that requires a total lack of evidence.
See to be in your position is to be in one of ultimate dishonesty. You must lie to yourself and your opponent over and over again in order to maintain your argument. Not a shred of intellectual integrity.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
Faith does not require a Total Lack of Evidence There is as you say a mountain of evidence, as far as I am concerned. The Bible itself is a piece of evidence. All the archeological evidence is pretty convincing as well. There has never been one archeological dig that has disproved one historical account in the Bible. When they found Jericho how did they see that the walls fell? Exactly as the Bible said they did The Romans were meticulous record keepers and they have records of Jesus.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively the concept of faith is that it stands without evidence. If you are trying to shore up your religion with science and empirical facts then you are having what's called a crisis in faith. No, the bible is not evidence. To say it's true because it says its true is cyclical logic, which is a kind of thinking that leads you in circles, earning you no real answers. There is no archeological proof of the bible; any supposed proof has been debunked thoroughly, and completely.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph Your sources and mine are radically different. I was attempting to speak your language when citing scientific evidence. I defiantly have no crisis of faith and to the contrary I contend that you and people like you (people who spend so much time trying to debunk Gods existence) secretly know there is a God and it scares you to death. So you spend time trying to convince yourself by convincing me. I am called by God to spread the good news. Why do you insist on spreading the "bad news"?
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively you know I love projections. They're great ways to tell a person about your own short comings. But you see, the reason why we debunk your god is because religion is a harmful delusion in our species. It is hateful, divisive, and irrational, and has costed our species 1000 years of technological development. I find it funny that a book full of nonsense claims that people will say it's wrong - to me that's an admission of guilt.
Religion is a disease. Reason is the cure.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph "But you see, the reason why we debunk your god is because religion is a harmful delusion in our species."
How exactly does this help your cause? Do you hope to convert me to Atheism? Do you hope others will read this and be swayed to your cause and eventually religion will be wiped out world wide? What is your end game Sir? Simply by telling you my point of view I have accomplished my goal. If it doesn't touch your heart then it doesn't. The results are not my concern.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively It's harmful because people fly airplanes into buildings and kill thousands of people, when motivated by religion. You may say that's an extreme case, but these delusions can be serious. For every single decent religion two additional ones are insane. You can't sit there and tell me that children in Africa wouldn't be burning as witches if their christian priests weren't telling them to do so. But, there is not a single good thing religion does, that cannot be done without it.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
The worst part about churches is that they are filled with people. Man distorts and uses the word of God for evil every day. Some “Christians” use it to discriminate against gays, while others use their positions to get close to and molest little kids. Just because you’re in a garage does not make you a car and just because you are in a Church it does not make you a true Christian. One good thing Christ has done is save my live. Without his influence I would not be alive today .
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively We are one species, one humanity, one planet, one nation, one people. There is no difference between the psychological and fundamental needs of one human or another. We all gather under the same banner of humanity. We did not fall from some kind of higher way of living; history shows that the past was only harder on humans back then. This idea that we are damned restricts our ability to prosper as a species; it holds us back on every imaginable level. That is why we fight religion.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph Well my job is done here. I am called to be a witness to The Good News of Jesus Christ and share my testimony with you, and I have done so. I am to plant the seed. It is the job of The Holy Spirit to concern Himself with the results. I have read Revelations and I know how this story ends. I for one feel Blessed to be on the right side of God if not History. Peace and Love be with you always & good luck to you Sir.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively My entire point is to encourage a little bit of intellectual honesty here. It is equally reasonable to doubt god as it is to doubt gnomes. Being that there's no reason to believe these things, no reason other then fear to believe in any version of the after life, then an agnostic approach is technically the most humble position to take. "Idk - nor do you." would be the wisest statement to make. But see, I put my chips in with probability - and god is just not probably enough for me.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
I don't have anything to loose by following Christ. I don't follow Him out of fear, rather because I am grateful. If one is to truly follow the teachings of Christ, the worst outcome is that they live a moral life full of rich connections to other people. They would spend their life as servants, Servants to each other and servants to God. We would always put other people fist. "Love one another" We would do all these things and more, die and there would B nothing no God. But I lived a good life.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively Yes, I've heard this concept before - "the nearer the church the further from god." A concept that I've found to be strange. I've never understood the need to go into a house to worship an deity. Glass breaks, stone shatters, wood burns, but the concept of deity is eternal - I'd think such an entity wouldn't be incapable of dwelling within corporeal constructs because they don't emulate his being; that of course being perfect and unobtainable. Of course, therein lays the problem:
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph The Word Sais "gather on the first day of the week" We come together on Sundays because we are meant to live in community with one another. "As steal sharpens steal so should man sharpen man" We worship God every day of the week by the way we treat one another and how we effect those we come into contact with on a daily basis. On Sundays we come to both be fed (the word through the sermon) and to feed (whether it’s teaching or just encouraging) one another. We also worship in song.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively That problem being; god is supposed to be ultimately mysterious, elusive, beyond the cognitive grasp of those who believe in him. But shortly after making this claim about the deity they go into listing a bunch of attributes about that entity. Calling him things like just, jealous, wrathful, loving, intelligent, and what he wants, loves, hates, and what he'll do for whom under which circumstances. I'm surprised church attendees never ask "How do you know this shit?"
Nobody knows!
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph We get a pretty good understanding of who God is through His word (The Bible). We will never fully understand him, but how could we. We are a lesser life form. Can a dog ever fully understand his Master? But the dog does know that his master is kind or that his master feeds him regularly. It's not that complicated, we know what we need to know of God for now. All will be reveled when we are justified and made perfect, when we reach the Promised Land. I hope to see you there Brother.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively That's all fine and dandy but it's all muddied by the fact that you can't prove the bible is true. I know the book says it's true, but that's not proof unto it's self. There are a vast quantity of items in the bible that we KNOW are completely and totally wrong. Some of these things are glaring contradictions to reality. But the bible is a dangerous tool because it teaches where reality doesn't support the bible, reality is wrong. Fitting millions of creations on a 450 foot boat?
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph A lot of Christians get it twisted. What I mean by this is that they think the Bible is 100% literal. When the Bible speaks of God creating the world in 7 days, they stop right there and say” it took God 7 days to create the world”. Later in the Bible it talks about “to God a day is like thousand years and a thousand years is like a day”, meaning that God does not experience time in the same way that we do.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@Xeletoph Especially with the Old Testament, these stories are 5,000 years old or more and passed down orally for a lot of that time. When we get bogged down in too many specifics we loose the moral of the story. Ancient Jews had a different way of thinking and communicating. They told parables to each other in order to make a point. Jesus did the same thing, with the stories he told. These allow for so much more depth in discussion, & that’s the point. God wants us to discuss these things.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively See its those kinds of inconsistencies that push me away from religion. I know there are good theists, and there are some good religions to be found as well. But see, so many believers are guilty of trying to claim the US is a Xtian nation when it was founded by a panel of Deists; Deism going extinct and becoming Agnosticism. And then they try to merge their little doctrine into biast legislation. Its clear the bible says to pray in the closet - but most believers don't read it.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@XeletophThat’s just dumb, read the declaration of independence or the Constitution or even the federalist papers. There where definitely Men involved with the founding of our country that where not Christian but the overwhelming amount were Christian men. The Pilgrims came here because of religious persecution. Our country is, was and will continue to be predominantly a Christian nation. 1.6% of Americans are atheists while 78.4% say they are Christian -The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively
No, that is accurate. Both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison had grate hands in the constitution. They talk many times how this is a SECULAR nation. Just because the country is full of christians doesn't change how the constitution works or deny any secular principles of government. Your free to practice your religion just not free to force it on others.
TheAtheistPaladin 11 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin I'm not sure I quite understand what point you're trying to make. My point was and is that the majority of our Founding Fathers, and the early Americans were Christian and that a majority of Americans are still Christian. Our Government/Country has no official religion and no laws are made to support or hinder a specific religion. Christians don't force our religion on anyone, God wants me to tell the story and you to make up your own mind.(back to that free will thing again)
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively
Nobody is arguing demographics. Of course christians are in the majority, but I don't think you understand the phrase "christian nation". That is not about demographics, but dominance. Hince my reply. As for the founding fathers that is only partly true. Many where still, however; deists and universalists. If you are not agruing for christian dominance in laws of the land, then what is the point of bring up these points?
TheAtheistPaladin 11 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin "The Declaration of Independence states, "[Men] are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It also states that these rights are "self evident" and that they constitute the "Laws of Nature." These principles are taken directly from the Bible. The Law of Nature can be viewed in Romans 2:14-16. That our Creator is the Author of life is seen in Genesis 2:7."
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively
1) The Declaration is not a legal document. It is only of historical note.
2) Two Jefferson was a Deist, so obviously he wasn't referring to the bible. Further, if you read the works of John Locke, you will see greater references to than the bible.
3) Again, why are you making this point? What are you trying to prove?
TheAtheistPaladin 11 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin I'm simply proving the point that this country was founded on Christian values and even our founding documents show this. "In God we trust" is even on our money. When you testify in court one traditionally swears on a Bible to tell the truth. "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." We where, are and will continue to be a Christian Country.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively Furthemore, you need to look MUCH deeper then the bible if you want to find the TRUE source of unalienable rights. The very first people to ever conceive that people are equal were infact the Zoroastrians. These people come from an era that predates christianity by 1000's and 1000's of years. Such rights are also covered in Tibetan, Budhist, and other eastern religions, and of course early western civs like druids. So if you want to be super technical, the usa is PAGAN founded.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph OK, now how many of these teachings were the founding fathers exposed too? The root of their belief system was the Bible.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively You seem to know your bible well, and I acknowledge that. That in it's self is an accomplishment. I'm offering you a challenge to look beyond Justin the Martyr's apology, which is really a hasty and pathetic excuse, and dig for origin of your religion; it's traditions, it's history. You seem an intelligent, learned individual. You have a mind that thirsts for knowledge. Feed it!
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph There is no record of Christ’s life between the ages of 12 and 30. At the same time there are records in Sutras of a wondering traveler from the west, coming and learning the Buddhists traditions. These feed my belief that God has revealed himself too many people and in different ways. I agree that most religions are intertwined and too me at least I don't see a conflict.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@Xeletoph "God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would inherit eternal life" Which is why it makes sense to me that God would tell his story to many different people and in so many different ways. He wants as many people as possible to know him. Regardless of the specifics of the faith, I believe all of the worlds true faiths have one common theme and moral to them."Love one another" If we can do that, it won’t matter who we call God, as long as we call on him. .
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively I don't see how that works, Ethan. Through out the millions of gods that have been worshipped through out history, they have had different stories, different concepts, different personalities, different aspects. There are indeed many parallels. For instance, Zoroaster's greatest antagonist is his own shadow, Zarathustra. There in its self is a paralell between god and old religions, because Lucifer descended from Yahweh kinda like Zarathustra came from Zoroaster.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@EthanHively there are many, many commonalities from faith's across nations and even oceans. But all the deities share just one very important thing in common: They've pretty well fallen into disarray and are no longer being worshiped. As previously stated, logic and reason is lethal to deities. Yahweh is no exception to this rule of thumb. Infact there are studies that suggest the only reason why Christianity has lasted even 2000 years is b/c it's became intertwined with the legal system.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@EthanHively I'm sure you realize that Jesus was not the first avatar. It's clear that Jesus is the latest incarnation of the same sun god that humans have been worshiping since we crawled out of the primordial soup. You'd be surprised how much Hercules shares in common with Jesus. Especially Mithras and Dionysus. Hell, even Robin Hood shares some things in common with Jesus. Search the web for Lord Raglans The Hero.
It's all different flavors of the same BS.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph I'm not claiming to have all the answers and I am definitely not saying that all religions are true faiths. I'm basically saying that this is what works for me and that I am constantly on a journey toward God. I might be wrong and you might be right, but it's my faith that keeps me centered and full of joy. It would be a pretty boring world if everyone agreed on everything. I love the fact that in this great country we can have opposing views and not be opposed to each other.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively Forgive me, but the fact that a religious man is happier then a skeptic is no more to the point then a drunkard is happier then a straight edge.
What you have faith in is not god, but other people. Which is fine, because at least that's something tangible. Try thinking about who you heard about Jesus from, and then ask that person about who they recieved the news from. Then go to that person and ask them the same question. No matter where you turn, nobody will ever show you Jesus.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@EthanHively Infact if you search for years you'll only be introduced to people. More and more people - You'll never, ever get to the culprit; that being Christ/Ra/Horus/Mithra/Hercules/Dionysus.
Most theists get angry when you point these parallels out. Most theists claim they don't worship any of those pagan gods. But that's because it's plain to see, that if they could cross reference their reasons against worshiping other possible gods with their own; they'd end up free thinking. Horrible..
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@EthanHively
LOL, under god and in god we trust were not offical until 1950s. Please do you research before making your claims.
TheAtheistPaladin 11 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin That God, not government, grants liberty is seen in Galatians 5:1. The "pursuit of happiness" is found in Ecclesiastes 3:13.Beyond that, virtually every one of the ten articles contained in the Bill of Rights has Biblical foundation. The First Amendment recognizes the natural right of freedom of speech, religion and assembly. Christians are clearly given divine instruction regarding each of these responsibilities.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively
What are you talking about? The first amendment is apposed in the bible. You cannot change your religion or preach another religion. You cannot speak agaisnt your leaders... because god put them there. Seriously, there is no grounding for the first. For Ecclesiastes you are aware that it is written from the idea that there is no afterlife? So of course be merry, but that has nothing to do with governance.
TheAtheistPaladin 11 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin Our founding documents properly established a government designed to "secure these rights." Therefore, under the First Amendment, Christians are free to preach the Gospel and to assemble for worship.Likewise, the Second Amendment has Biblical foundation. Luke 22:35, 36 He said, "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively
Seriously? So the right to bear arms comes from Jesus saying go buy a sword from a particular speech.... your really grasping at straws.
TheAtheistPaladin 11 months ago
@TheAtheistPaladin Other articles contained in the Bill of Rights also have Biblical basis. For example, the Fourth Amendment comes from Deuteronomy 24:10, 11. The Eighth Amendment originates in Deuteronomy 15: 2, 3. Again, these principles are "self evident" truths which come from "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." Even America's constitutional form of government consisting of three co-equal branches, legislative, executive and judicial is taken directly from Isaiah 33:22
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively
Did you think I would not look these verses up? Deu 24:10 is about debt and getting the pedge from someone dead. Deu 15 is about the release of indentured servants. I means Seriously... the bible supports the 8th amendment? IT ORDERS PEOPLE TO BE STONED IF THEY PICK UP STICKS ON A SATURDAY!!! Further, the three branches comes from Locke!!!!
TheAtheistPaladin 11 months ago
@EthanHively
Again, our government was form from the ideas of John Locke and Thomas Hobbs, and the current events of the times. Take for example the 3rd amendment. British soldiers use to had to be put up by the colonies. The bible or christianity didn't have a hand in that Amendment.
TheAtheistPaladin 11 months ago
@EthanHively actually the Roman reference you speak of is only referring to a title, that being "Christos", not a person. Josephus has been shown to be forgery time and time again. Bringing us right back to there being no proof of the bible.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@EthanHively See; I don't have faith that a light switch is going to turn a light on when I flip it. I don't have faith that when I press the break peddle, my car will stop, or when I press the gas peddle it will go. I don't have faith that the toilet will flush when I press the handle. I have TRUST in these things, because of experiences in my past saying that these actions equal a reaction. A pattern I've found, which earned trust. But if those things stopped working, I would trust no more.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph "I have TRUST in these things, because of experiences in my past saying that these actions equal a reaction." You took the words right out of my mouth. I too have trust (In God) because of my past experiences with him. He has never let me down and has always been there for me, even when I was turning away from him. God has always been faithful.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively in forensics, often the goal is to find out as much about a crime scene as possible, even though you never directly witnessed the crime. You OBSERVE things like blood spatter patterns, finger prints, any tools used, and of course genetic leavings on the scene. There is no bias b/c the pathologist has no vested interest in victim or criminal. Utilizing these things it is possible to find out what took place at the scene of the crime without ever having placed your eyes upon it.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@EthanHively And you say yourself that Jesus was perfect. He was sinless, right? But he was punished anyhow. What's with that? If god is willing to punish the innocent so the guilty can go free, what does that say about his sense of justice?
I would atone for my own wrong doings, begging forgiveness from those I've hurt. I've seen no god. How could one carbon unit, on earth, in no less the milky way- possibly betray something so magnificent as the concept of deity?
Humility - Learn it!
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph If you watch the news, you will see what man does to man. We are evil to each other. We cheat, steal, rape, murder, lie etc. There is nothing you can do to atone for these things. You can do things that make you feel better about the situation, but atone you have not. The worst thing in the world is mans inhumanity to man.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively I don't watch the news because I don't want the propaganda injection. Big name companies with vested interest own all the major news outlets. Whistle blowing reporters get threatened or fired. While murder has dropped 20% over the past 2 decades the report of it has inflated by 600%.This means mainstream tv news is not clean information. Only underground outlets are reputable these days.
Furthermore, I don't do any of those crimes you listed so I don't need to atone for them.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph Saying you don't lie is a lie. Everyone on the planet lies, probably every day. Either outright or through omission, you lie. How about Lust, envy, pride, immoral sex, smoking, drugs, cursing, drunkenness, etc. We all fall short and God does not distinguish between murder and lies. All deserve death and all require repentance. Thinking you don't need the love that only God can provide is your biggest mistake.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively Oh and this may also shock you.
In modern times, if a man has sex with a women without her consent what do we call it? Rape. How do we feel about men who treat women this way? They're monsters.
Problem is: I don't remember dear Mary ever consenting to bedding with Yahweh. He sent an angel to her dreams and said "gratz, yer preggerz'. How is that not rape? If I inseminated a woman in her sleep, I would go to jail. If she got pregnant it would be a tragedy. As is the bible.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph That's just dumb. There was no seaman involved and no one bedded down with anyone. You can try to turn things ugly all day, that doesn't make it so. The Virgin Mary was impregnated through the power of god supernaturally. That was your weakest argument yet.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@EthanHively LOL Dude, insemination was beside the point. Even if god is impotent, he still got a woman pregnant without her permission. That = RAPE. We know full well that semen must meet an egg for a woman to get pregnant. There are no parthenogetic humans; we cannot reproduce without sex meaning that Marry (about 14 years old at the time) got it on with SOMEBODY.
And I'm sorry that the bible's tales are grim, but truly reading the bible, without bias is all that's needed to make it ugly.
Xeletoph 11 months ago
@Xeletoph Your greatest weakness is the fact that you can't see the forest for the trees. You are so smart that you’re stupid. You can try to punch holes in the word all day if you want. The Bible speaks about you when it says that "to non believers the word will sound like foolishness". God has already separated the sheep from the goats and knows your heart and whether you will "ever seek not your own understanding" and follow him to glory or follow man strait to hell. "I am just a messenger".
EthanHively 11 months ago
@Skuch22 Amen Brother. Keep spreading The Word.
EthanHively 11 months ago
@Xeletoph ok
Skuch22 1 year ago
we know not the day or the hour because the day is not in our gregorian calender ergo it doesn exist, ergo Jesus does not exist
Nitro1punky 2 years ago
its almost imposible for jesus to come bck but it wud be brill if he did.. :(
demihopegomez 2 years ago
Jesus Will Come Back
billiniguy 2 years ago
YOUR OLD
MCRbaby44 2 years ago
and?
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
Kurt Cobain was Jesus, read Matthew 66:6, then go f ur self.
thedayitriedtodie 2 years ago
That is very christian.
TheAtheistPaladin 2 years ago
i love the bible and fat people jesus is sooooooo kwl i love the bible bible bible bible biblebible bible bible bible bible
o0MERK3D0o 2 years ago
jesus never left...
traxxasnitrosport94 2 years ago
i agree he is with us all the time
lipsofangels09 2 years ago
When will Jesus come back? The simplest answer to this question is that Jesus will come back when he comes back. Glad that I could share some wisdom with ya:)
jarbon5 2 years ago
i sssooo agree with u
lipsofangels09 2 years ago
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1skyprivate 2 years ago
how do u no
magicD99 2 years ago
never
quisqueyatv 2 years ago
thanks for this.
theohtherworld 3 years ago
Yep. There are 4 or 5 places where Jesus says he'll come back within about 50 years at the latest.
1) Before his disciples preached to every city in Israel.
2) Before the current generation passed.
3) Before all his disciples died.
4) Before Pilate died (he told him he'd personally see him coming in the clouds)
And it looks as if Jesus is about 1900 years late but the real reason is... he never existed.
TruthSurge 3 years ago 2
thats ressurestion
TheNarlyBones 2 years ago
YEAH! He really came in the clouds with the angels at the ressurection! Yeah, he really judged the unbelievers then too! Yeah, you are so right! And it makes sense that he'd tell everyone he'd come back before the generation passed away when he only meant he'd be gone 3 days! RIGHT! You are a freaking GENIUS! Where have you been for the last year?????
TruthSurge 2 years ago
In Matthew 24 Jesus describes the destruction of the temple, rumors of war and tribulations that will mean destruction to all jews who remain in Judea, saying this will happen before the passing of the next generation.
About 40 year later, Titus did destroy the temple, taking down every brick so as to strip away all the gold. The Roman armies laid siege to to Jerusalem and 100s of Jews committed suicide, rather than be taken by the Romans.
The Jews were scatter across the the Roman-c-
0StarGirl5000 3 years ago
-C- world and since that day have not fully recovered. They've been continually suffering tribulations of war and persecution, even unto today.
Jesus tell the his followers that during this time, people will continually be claiming the second coming is here, or almost here, but not to believe it, because no one can say when He will come.
He says He will come, after the days of tribulation, but a day to God is not necessarily a day to man.
0StarGirl5000 3 years ago
But you still not discount the fact that Jesus said "Some of you will not taste death". Kinda funny to say since I am pretty sure that they are all dead now.
TheAtheistPaladin 3 years ago
Jesus my lord will come back my friend whether you like it or not. and when you stand before him you will give an account for everything you have done especially for not believing on Jesus. but im praying for you and pleading for you to get saved before its too late cause the day of the lord is almost here. May God bless and forgive you cause you know not what you do.
mfmcbeth 3 years ago
I wonder sometimes, Do they even watch the video before they comment? All they see is an atheist talk about the return of Jesus. If they watch the freakin' video, they would know I answered the question. Jesus is 2000 years past due. He was absolutely clear that he would be back IN THE LIFE TIME OF THE APOSTLES. There has yet to be an reasonable response to this.
TheAtheistPaladin 3 years ago
It's almost like they are automations or something.
shunyotube 2 years ago
just look around if your a real christan just look at the politics and whats happening w/oil and just life and u will find out the w/in like 35 years jesus will come back because he says the he would not lit man destroy earth!
Bloodklok 3 years ago
Did you even watch the video? I answer the question my-self.
TheAtheistPaladin 3 years ago