@carlyle0229 The high carbon (HC) spikes are usually 1030 steel. Low carbon for knifemaking, but RR spike knives have an appeal all their own, and they are great for learning how to forge. They will harden enough to take somewhat of an edge, but for a decent knife blade, you want 1050 or higher.
When the cable is ready put it in a v-block or against the step on your anvil and start the weld at the back and work toward the front twisting the cable so as to tighten and weld it together. Good luck and nice work on those knives.
One trick I've seen when trying to weld cable together is to take a good heat and stick one end in a vise and untwist the cable up from the other end. This way you can thoroughly clean and flux the inside of the cable. Once clean and fluxed twist it back up as tight as you can with tongs and flux the outside then stick it back in the forge.
It looks like it has been a couple of yrs since you posted this video, I think you did a good job. You said something about trying to do it with cable , but it was too hard? Try to find some information about hammer welding, it makes knife making from cable not so hard. Good luck for future knives.
@webbcityglassman I decided to check out the hammer welding techniques here on youtube after giving you my advice. I was disappointed with what I saw. For one thing, you don't use a welder at all, in the bodyshop, you use a hammer, a dolly and a torch. This was a modified way of hammer welding, borrowed from the blacksmiths of long ago. You take the cable, and bind it somehow so it don't fall apart, Such as using an extra wire from the cable to wrap around the ends. Place it in the forge and...
@webbcityglassman Cont. wait until it is cherry red. Take it to the anvil, and start hammering it, it will fuse together. Don't worry about some of the wire fraying out, when you get it reasonably flat, fold it over and that will catch most of the wires from the cable trying to split out. About 3 or 4 folds and you no longer need to worry about that anyway. From this point, you should be able to shape your knife and finish it out. Hope this helps, if I get another anvil maybe I'll post a video.
@fundreamer1 not cherry red....bright yellow almost white heat. Right before the metal starts to burn and spark, then you can weld it. Also you need to put some flux on the weld to keep the area clean.
ever think of selling those on ebay? some type of authentic knife, cuz ive seen a video of some chick shooting cans of spray paint onto a canvas and make thousands of dallors from it on ebay dont see why u couldnt with these knives =)
hey i liked your opload it looks fairly deesent and very use full , it would be worth tryin to learn weldin the way you melted the steel by hammrerin it together with a nother peace of blade
I will be putting together some more tutorials soon in which I will show you my technique for forge welding steel cable into a solid bar for knives and tomahawks. Its not so difficult once you get the single most important things down. See my other tutorials on forge welding for novice smiths for some basic insight. : )
You are wrong sir. 1050 is harder than both 4340 and 4140 if properly heat treated. 1035 is not..as it doesn't contain a high enough carbon content. The numbers are a grading system where the first 2 numbers denote alloy content if any (10XX = plain steel, non alloy) The 2nd set of numbers denote carbon equivelency in points (1/10ths of 1%) The 4XXX series steels are alloyed and harder in annealed (soft) state..but do not respond to heat treating as the carbon content is low.
RR spike knives are just fun to make and get your feet wet on....most are 1030 steel which is only .3% carbon and not very good at edge retention....good practice and most are free when you walk the RR track long enough or make friends with a RR employee.
nice knives, but you got to watch out not to overheat the knife. if it is sparking when you pull it out of the forge, steel might be useless as a knife. im not sure why, but i think it has something to do with burning the carbon out of the steel.
You are half right. 1- burn out alot of carbon in the form of CO and CO2 as it loses molecular and atomic bond to the iron at those temps. 2- you allow excess oxygenation into the steel that displaces carbon and also forms tiny blisters and cracks that you cannot see without a microscope making for a hunk of crap that will break VERY easily.
Walk along a rail road for a few miles and look for some. DO NOT pull any, that is dangerous and illegal. But if you just find them laying there on the side of the rail road, that is fine.
Rumors differ on the composition of rr spikes. Some say that they are 1035-1050. The 1050 being marked with an "H". In my experience they seem to behave much the same way rebar does, in that some are higher C content and will harden a bit, while others are not hardenable. I find that using a brine gets me just a little more hardness.
what type of steel is in rr spikes?
carlyle0229 1 week ago
@carlyle0229 The high carbon (HC) spikes are usually 1030 steel. Low carbon for knifemaking, but RR spike knives have an appeal all their own, and they are great for learning how to forge. They will harden enough to take somewhat of an edge, but for a decent knife blade, you want 1050 or higher.
DBowenKnifeWorks 6 days ago
u selling it?
MrMirage1993 2 months ago
Knifemakers don't make mistakes, they just make smaller knives.
zanuha 4 months ago 6
trash
luizfernandoliberati 5 months ago
I heard RR spikes have low carbon content so they are bad for making blades.
Dercommandingofficer 6 months ago
ya but their really easy to put edges on so their good for beginners probable unlike you and me ha
m1garand77 5 months ago
@Dercommandingofficer some are,the ones marked hc on the head r good steel
blacksmither1 5 months ago
When the cable is ready put it in a v-block or against the step on your anvil and start the weld at the back and work toward the front twisting the cable so as to tighten and weld it together. Good luck and nice work on those knives.
MrTylerwelds 7 months ago
One trick I've seen when trying to weld cable together is to take a good heat and stick one end in a vise and untwist the cable up from the other end. This way you can thoroughly clean and flux the inside of the cable. Once clean and fluxed twist it back up as tight as you can with tongs and flux the outside then stick it back in the forge.
MrTylerwelds 7 months ago
lol, they look vicious
waynedaly100 8 months ago
great
lalachris1000 8 months ago
where do you buy the rr spikes?
wolfcookieo9 9 months ago
no fuck dumb shit of course metal will melt
OhWayTheWolf 11 months ago
@OhWayTheWolf How would you know how metal reacts to heat kid? Do you have experience? Stop being a troll
davepen16 9 months ago
PRISON SHANK!
TheLilipods 1 year ago
dude thats cool XD
ninjaman381 1 year ago
not bad knives. need cleaning and metal needs to be stretched more. even out some of the weight.
tsaligrass 1 year ago
all you need to do with them is use a wire brush and clean it up a bit!
willsgotbeer 1 year ago
all i have to say is FUCKING EPIC!!! works of art!
modernwarfarerer1100 1 year ago
shit how did u think metal was made . Yeah fundreamer1 i'm u
Raiden759 1 year ago
peace.
jmg1957 1 year ago
It looks like it has been a couple of yrs since you posted this video, I think you did a good job. You said something about trying to do it with cable , but it was too hard? Try to find some information about hammer welding, it makes knife making from cable not so hard. Good luck for future knives.
fundreamer1 1 year ago
@fundreamer1 thanks i will
webbcityglassman 1 year ago
@webbcityglassman I decided to check out the hammer welding techniques here on youtube after giving you my advice. I was disappointed with what I saw. For one thing, you don't use a welder at all, in the bodyshop, you use a hammer, a dolly and a torch. This was a modified way of hammer welding, borrowed from the blacksmiths of long ago. You take the cable, and bind it somehow so it don't fall apart, Such as using an extra wire from the cable to wrap around the ends. Place it in the forge and...
fundreamer1 1 year ago
@webbcityglassman Cont. wait until it is cherry red. Take it to the anvil, and start hammering it, it will fuse together. Don't worry about some of the wire fraying out, when you get it reasonably flat, fold it over and that will catch most of the wires from the cable trying to split out. About 3 or 4 folds and you no longer need to worry about that anyway. From this point, you should be able to shape your knife and finish it out. Hope this helps, if I get another anvil maybe I'll post a video.
fundreamer1 1 year ago
@fundreamer1 not cherry red....bright yellow almost white heat. Right before the metal starts to burn and spark, then you can weld it. Also you need to put some flux on the weld to keep the area clean.
davepen16 9 months ago
@davepen16 Thanks for the input!
fundreamer1 9 months ago
@fundreamer1 no problem
davepen16 9 months ago
i really like the top one great work man!!!
grimrotten 1 year ago
@grimrotten thanks
webbcityglassman 1 year ago
Those look like real outdoorsy knives
pyrea17 1 year ago
the little one that looks like a scalpel looking one would be a good skinning knife if your a hunter
wcohlefeta 1 year ago
kool knives
chainsawelliott44 1 year ago
@chainsawelliott44 thanks
webbcityglassman 1 year ago
@webbcityglassman no problem
chainsawelliott44 1 year ago
trey to make some sleaths for them!! ;D
loganladysman97 1 year ago
ever think of selling those on ebay? some type of authentic knife, cuz ive seen a video of some chick shooting cans of spray paint onto a canvas and make thousands of dallors from it on ebay dont see why u couldnt with these knives =)
Sehnsucht234 1 year ago
@Sehnsucht234 thanks, ive gave it some thought, maybe sometime in the future
webbcityglassman 1 year ago
Hi. Can you explain your use of borax. thanks.
frontdesk123 1 year ago
@frontdesk123 If youre forge welding, you use borax to keep it from burning, "and yes steel can burn"
Kylef7735 1 year ago
It's just twisted
noobsownall1 1 year ago
how did you make the spiral handle? every single rr spike knife i've seen has that kind of handle. do you just heat it up and twist it or what?
ishouldplayzelda 1 year ago
I would buy the top one.
frankgon4 1 year ago
wow!! how does one of those blades hold up with frequent use like chopping and digging?
csrepair 1 year ago
those things are tinny
hoppper26 1 year ago
ill buy the bottom one
MrRedMan61 1 year ago
the top ones awesome
dizzaeble 1 year ago
Great video!
88Azazel 2 years ago
thank you
webbcityglassman 2 years ago
hey i liked your opload it looks fairly deesent and very use full , it would be worth tryin to learn weldin the way you melted the steel by hammrerin it together with a nother peace of blade
transdetendal 2 years ago
nice try ,in ireland the rail tracks are held down with nuts and bolts,
ballygeale1 2 years ago
I will be putting together some more tutorials soon in which I will show you my technique for forge welding steel cable into a solid bar for knives and tomahawks. Its not so difficult once you get the single most important things down. See my other tutorials on forge welding for novice smiths for some basic insight. : )
MrIronman1979 2 years ago
You are wrong sir. 1050 is harder than both 4340 and 4140 if properly heat treated. 1035 is not..as it doesn't contain a high enough carbon content. The numbers are a grading system where the first 2 numbers denote alloy content if any (10XX = plain steel, non alloy) The 2nd set of numbers denote carbon equivelency in points (1/10ths of 1%) The 4XXX series steels are alloyed and harder in annealed (soft) state..but do not respond to heat treating as the carbon content is low.
MrIronman1979 2 years ago
RR spike knives are just fun to make and get your feet wet on....most are 1030 steel which is only .3% carbon and not very good at edge retention....good practice and most are free when you walk the RR track long enough or make friends with a RR employee.
jedirifleman 2 years ago
nice knives, but you got to watch out not to overheat the knife. if it is sparking when you pull it out of the forge, steel might be useless as a knife. im not sure why, but i think it has something to do with burning the carbon out of the steel.
BUSHCRAFTGEAR 2 years ago
You are half right. 1- burn out alot of carbon in the form of CO and CO2 as it loses molecular and atomic bond to the iron at those temps. 2- you allow excess oxygenation into the steel that displaces carbon and also forms tiny blisters and cracks that you cannot see without a microscope making for a hunk of crap that will break VERY easily.
MrIronman1979 2 years ago
where the heck do u get railroad spikes!
blackink24 2 years ago
Walk along a rail road for a few miles and look for some. DO NOT pull any, that is dangerous and illegal. But if you just find them laying there on the side of the rail road, that is fine.
ChrisRiley93 2 years ago
pet store.. isle 2
lard33333 2 years ago
thoughs r sweet. do those have good tatical or survival use? or are they just for collection?
lelouchveebritanna 2 years ago
Rumors differ on the composition of rr spikes. Some say that they are 1035-1050. The 1050 being marked with an "H". In my experience they seem to behave much the same way rebar does, in that some are higher C content and will harden a bit, while others are not hardenable. I find that using a brine gets me just a little more hardness.
Good job. Nice knives.
Shemyazaz 2 years ago
I agree. I think most are around 1050. Not super knife steel, but usually I'm quite happy with the way they take and hold an edge.
AndyAlm 2 years ago
what kind of metal are rail road spikes?
purewater0629 2 years ago
either iron or steel
halflife103 2 years ago
Knives*
Hydropyric 3 years ago
Cable is easy.
Flux the hell out of it then twist it up tighter.
Flux it again and take it to welding heat.
You'll see a few sparks come out of the fire.
Pull the cable out and hit it rapidly and thoroughly at welding heat.
You'll be taking a few heats to weld your way down the bar.
Keep fluxing before you heat because there is a lot of crap that needs to come out.
The cable will start to feel quite solid when it becomes a solid piece.
Just cut the waste off of the ends and toss them.
Conan568 3 years ago
I just started my first yesterday and unless your really good or really lucky it will take a few trys to make any thing other then a butter knife
grimcat27 3 years ago
i like he one on the bottom the best and would like to make my own knife from a spike.
ramasan05 3 years ago
Forge welding cable is very difficult if not next to impossible, unless you pre-weld the ends with a torch.
Great job by the way.
CalvinJGreen 3 years ago