It won't succeed, because people who badly want to be lawyers won't listen. No matter what. They want the prestige and status associated with this profession. Law school might have been a smart choice in the 1970s or 1980s, but the legal profession is flooded now. There is little to zero chance of a law grad finding a job within one year of graduation.
My friend from college named Chinelo went to law school and it seems fine for her though. She is half black (african dad) and half white (white mother) and went to yale law school and graduated and worked for a judge in NYC. She majored in corporate law and is making a lot of money..however I've been out of college a long time and don't know if it's worth the time! and I think she married someone she went to lawschool with.-Michelle
This video creeped me out! My lil nephew who dropped out of high school name is Timmy. ANd i applied to law school a few years ago, but because of my two kids decided maybe a different career....though i wanted to be a lawyer since I was a small child. But I guess when you have a husband and kids things change and they say lawyers are unhappy.
Many "resume consultants" are actually college recruiters. After both my Bachelor's graduation in Political Science and Master's graduation in Public Admin at UW-Milwaukee, the school's "Career Development Center" advised that I "try law school." They had nothing more to say when I said, "Sorry, but my Master's degree is my terminal degree, unless you want to pay for it."
LOL I dropped out of High School and I'm still successful. Why? because I have talent and ambition XD I feel sorry for these suckers, they were lied to all thier lives about College and Law Schools are the worst. They pretend that a large portion of their students will find success but it's a very small percentage. Not everyone has it in them to be a lawyer. You have to be one cold son of a bitch to do that job I'm sure.
@MrROTD Thank goodness the Internet has helped people become aware of the less-successful college graduates, as the group mentality in high school AP courses tends to be "college, college, college."
higher education gives you a chance to meet determined people balah blah.
not bad.
but everyone have to find their unique way to shine.
After all many billionaires havent been excelent in school, but they shined in one aspect - like onle marketing or only IT like Branson or Gates(ok, gates is a bad example, but he still dropped out, since he didnt need it )
Though other billionaires have demonstrated excelent skills everywhere from their early years like Ross Perot
This makes me EXTREMELY happy that I did not go to law school. Way better off in a free policy masters programs where I get to still have an impact without all of the debt. Couldn't be any happier. I may have realized it $500 later after apps, but better than six figure debt later.
Hey, graduate! Ever hear of filing a lawsuit? Use your talents and USE YOUR BRAIN. Education is NEVER a waste of time or money. "Time is money." You are RICH and don't even know it!
THE REASON WHY THE VIDEOS EXIST IS CAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY LOWER TIER LAW SCHOOLS....IF YOU EXPECT TO GET ANYWHERE GOIN TO SOME BULLSHIT LAW SCHOOL WITH BS GRADES.....GOOD LUCK
@8MunchenBayern8 As a result of the proliferation of law schools and huge glut of lawyers that's built up over the years, it's not merely graduates of non-first tier schools who are having difficulty, but also graduates of the top 50 schools. It's been reported that even graduates at top 10 law schools are having problems. The only real solution is for 75% of the law schools to close.
@JoblessJane there are too many BS law schools, end of story....if youre not looking to get your JD to help your family run a business or to do some entrepreneur work of some sort and youre gettin it from some lower tier college to start off fresh at a firm....close to impossible... i know plenty of successful fresh grads that are all making 100k+...my sister went to loyola law school in los angeles and graduated top 10% and she's working at Mcdermott and making 160,000 a year...
as a result, the formula is, dont go to a bs law school and get very good grades while doing an externship and networking in the school. Myself, i am a computer programmer, and graduated from ucla with a bs in computer science
as a result, the formula is, dont go to a bs law school and get very good grades while doing an externship and networking in the school. Myself, i am a computer programmer, and graduated from ucla with a bs in computer science
It's obvious that many of you clearly have no knowledge of the legal field and what takes place to achieve success during & after law school. Competitiveness is a true understatment. Oversaturation doesn't even begin to describe what most graduates are facing not to mention this weak economy. I have a good friend who went to Michigan-Ann Arbor, passed the bar & is doing temp clerk work. My male friend just graduated Harvard & is unemployed. Top schools don't = money. TRUST ME!!!
i think its funny how everyone states they can't find a job after graduating law school, i know many people that have graduated from UT LAW and are making six figure salaries all over the country. My best friends brother just got hired last year, not with six figure salary but up there, and he just recently graduated from UT law. like seriously if you got to shitty school no one will hire you... common sense. if you dont know that then you shouldn't be a lawyer.
What US State Sponsored Terrorism says is sad, but probably true. A great many illegals with the equivalent of 8th grade educations probably earn more than most law school graduates and they don't have any debt.
I challenge ANY OF YOU who are lawyers to compare your documented income here online with the tax forms of 3 illegal Mexican friends of mine who work in construction and who are under 30 yrs old! If you will put your income statements online I will post their tax declarations for everybody to see. I have been a college instructor for the past 25 years and I say AMERICAN EDUCATION IS A FRAUD! These Mexicans,n only 7 years of working here, now have 3 new houses each,completely paid 4 in Mexico!
I'll even go further with you guys on the bet. I'll bet that I can show that the income of these Mexs is more than ANY of you guys who have been attorneys for up to 5 years; I don't care where you work! The President of the university where I taught doesn't make as much in a year as one of these guys in ONE MONTH! Here's another example of what a joke our education is.. In my college we are threatened that if we don't pass all black students, our teaching contracts won't be renewed!!!
If ignorance of the law is no excuse, who can I look to sue to pay to put me through law school so I don't unintentionally break some obscure law which I could possibly be arrested for, seeing as the government is out to make everyone criminals by way of these obscure laws?
Last but not least, if you score a great Scholly, say 50 to 100% of tuition, ALWAYS VERIFY for stipulations. If it says "Be in the Top-30%" or anything similar, tell them to fuck off.
Even better, leverage this Scholly with better ranked/or lower ranked schools and make them give you similar funding without those strict stips.
DO NOT PAY STICKER unless it's HYS, make this fact enter your fucking head before even applying to Law School.
1)Don't enroll in a Law School ranked lower than Top-30.
2)Do NOT pay sticker unless it's HYS.
3)Work your ass off to make it Top 40% in 1L and network while you're still at school.
4)When OCI starts, don't shoot for the fucking moon and try to apply to jobs who fit realistically with your School Rank and grades.(That means, don't interview for firms where 80 % + of the associates they had graduated from a T-14).
what you shoulda wrote is "if you can type, you can be a lawyer" lol .... i just hope you did in fact go to law school, since most people who say higher education is over rated are still the idiots that only have a HS education LOL.
@HomePersonalSecurity As much as they might be the scum of the earth in general, there a a small amount of honest lawyers. And we need them, especially the lower than life ambulance chasers
I study in law school, being a lawyer is honour and it's a very difficult profession if you can't find a job as a lawyer that means you are not a good lawyer because lawyers are need in the whole world in every structure and department, law regulates every field of our lives, without lawyers, law givers, judges, attorneys all of your's lives would go crazy, we are needed, Professional lawyers ;))
@snackajack117 Oh that's funny haha, when I draft a contact I will pay attention to it, but I don't think youtube is a place where I have to foresee punctuation rules and I just smile when you try to make my rank down with your scoldings like a philologist. It's marasm to talk about punctuation on Youtube comments, I think you are one from the lawyers who didn't get a job, may be because of your character.
@snackajack117 Punctuation has different rules in different languages, you are from UK and English is your first language but not mine. So it's just really folly from your side to speak about punctuation with me, it's not at all insulting to me, I am not English to speak, write, and spell perfectly, I speak my language Georgian really well also old Georgian and I speak old and new Greek languages and Russian too, so your poor scoldings of punctuation is just marasmus and nothing else for me.
@snackajack117 Oh and... till I get 22 years old I will study somehow how to use punctuation correctly in English , I am not drafting contacts yet I am first year student...
@Georgianable It was some simple advice; people are not always aware of how their writing comes across. I know English people who write badly and non-native English speakers who write immaculately. If you want to conduct legal work in English you will need to be in the latter category. If you are not planning on drafting contracts in English, I take it back.
@snackajack117 Thank you for your kind advice but you should know that youtube is not a contract... and when i draft a contract I will use it correctly. My advice is not to make early decisions just from youtube comments, if u are a lawyer too u will need a skill of knowing people and making correct decisions and views about persons...deal with it.
Well the answer is very simple. Close down most of law schools. There are so many of them. It is a joke. How many medical schools in California? About 10 i think. How many law school in California? 100 I guess. Time to downsize them to 10 or 20. With the current trend, anyone can be a lawyer. Not everyone can be a doctor. People need doctors more than lawyer.
im done with undergrad this fall with zero debt and considering law school as i believe it is the ultimate "rite of passage" in education. what grad program tops the JD? i think the true shitstains are the ones in psychology or some other useless program.
why i want a JD?
1/4 of the adult US population is college educated, while only 7% hold graduate degrees or higher, how many lawyers? roughly 800,000. that is less than .003% of people in the US can look in the mirror and say "yep, yep, im a
@JoblessJane As educated as you seem to be, you don't seem to grasp the fact that an educated population is a driving force for America. Deterring potential students from any sort of education (be it high school, law school, med school, grad school...etc) is highly unorthodox, especially for someone whom (I'm assuming) has a JD. Here in Canada, the job market isn't as bad as the states but it's still difficult. Yet that should not be a deciding factor for not furthering your education.
@windows72 If a educated population is so important for a nation, then why is college education from a public uni so expensive? This underscores that this nation doesn't really care about an educated population because its impossible for smart ppl with decent incomes to send their children to college.
This video is so true about law school and it's graduates. Everyone wants to be a lawyer these days and there is an oversupply of lawyers. Most lawyers have to become solo attorneys because no law firms will hire a fresh graduate.
@brian8793 Good for your brother. The problem is that the percentage of JDs who land those kinds of plum jobs is very small and that a great many end up unemployed or underemployed and out of the legal profession. I'm all for people going to law school and getting great jobs. I just want to reduce the number of law students so that lawyer production more closely matches the real world demand, resulting in a much higher percentage of new JDs obtaining good career-building jobs.
@JoblessJane You don't have to be a big shot lawyer. There are PLENTY of jobs for anybody who passes the bar. Maybe they're not high paying at first, but sometimes you have to put in work, and be on the grind for a few years. This video is booboo. There will always be a need for Law School Graduates.
Scrubbing toilets? You can at least be a school teacher. They make a decent salary, especially when you look at how the rest of the world is doing.
@brian8793 What you said about plenty of jobs for lawyers (with compensation commensurate to educational investment) were true. However, if you read the JD Underground forum you will come across abundant anecdotal evidence that we have a huge oversupply and that employers in other fields regard JDs as unemployable overqualified losers. If you read my blog, Fluster Cucked, you'll also find posts where I've hashed through ABA and BLS data to show that only 54% of all JDs work as lawyers.
@JoblessJane I am trying to get into Law School, and I don't plan on being a lawyer. I just want to have it as a back up if my business venture fails. Plus, if I have children, I would like them to know that education is important, and the best way to lead is by your example.
Correction. That first line should read: "I wish that what you said about plenty of jobs for lawyers (with compensation commensurate to educational investment) were true."
Jane you should have become a CPA. I will be graduating with not only no loans but with around five figures cash in my pocket!!! I got picked up by a CPA firm as a junior. The most paid in tuition for me was 6k per year for 2 years of university. The rest of my education came from community college where I paid 300 per semester.
My starting salary will be around 45k once I get promoted to full time when I graduate!
@JoblessJane The reality is that unless your going to one of the top schools like Harvard or Yale dont even bother going to law school. Probably the top 30 or 40 at the most. definitely dont go if all you could get into is some 2nd tier or 3 or 4th tier school. They need to shut down about half of all law schools its as simple as that.
I don't know what you are smoking. Have you read the newspaper recently? In california they have sliced so many teaching jobs that they aren't hiring anyone. I know teachers with credentials that work as cashiers at walmart.
Go to shit law jobs . com and see how lawyers are not commanding high salaries now. Unless you graduate from a top law school or you are undefeated in court. I know because my friend is a partner at a top 100 law firm.
@brian8793 There's some truth to your comment, but here's the problem. Let's say you become a high school teacher starting out at $50,000. To most people, $50,000, while not "high life" money, will still earn you a decent living. But if you have a BULLSHIT monthly student loan payment of $1,000, $2,000 or more, your resources are just being DRAINED each month. There is no way to justify what the American higher education industry is doing right now and it's sad how low they've sunk.
@brian8793 We should start taxing people like your brother at 50% of his income so that we can make more jobs through the state. This feast or famine economy causes suicides and depression- your brother is partly to blame.
It's not what you know but, WHO YOU KNOW!!!! he is the 1% out of 100% PURE LUCK!! i have known several collegues that graduated from Ivy League schools and are unemployed!
@brian8793 Well your brother is the exception, not the rule, right now. I'm assuming he got a job with a law firm? If that's the case, how HAPPY is he with his job (and it might be too early to really know)? I ask because so many people with these "wonderful" six-figure salary firm jobs are absolutely MISERABLE with their lives. They're just plain overworked and having their souls drained by a bunch of greedy pricks who want to squeeze every penny they can out of them.
@brian8793 Congrats for him. But he is in a very small minority group of law school grads that get great paying jobs in the legal profession. There's just too many lawy school grads for the few jobs in America nowadays. And those jobs don't pay that $120,000 starting off. They need to be more strict with law school admissions or close down a lot of the schools down.
I went to college so I could give democrats my money. I loved buying 300 dollar books. I loved repeating the same shit I was told to repeat by so old fucker who most of the time was phoning it in. Now I have a philosophy degree I could open up a Phillosophy store! Yaaaa!
Bwahahaha .... sorry crybabies who thought you'd jump into a $200,000 per year job because you want to law school. Yeah, get into it like the rest of us, open a practice, build it up, make a name for yourself, sweat it out the first few years ... sorry crybabies, there's no yellow brick road or easy life for you.
this guys a sucker! tier 3 lawschool? that means bottom 50%-75%. and he probably didnt get any internships while he was in school. went out drinking instead. law school is a shark tank. you think half-assing your law education like you did your useless undergrad liberal arts degree will get you paid? you deserve the bottom rung! barely making it thru a crappy lawschool means youre a better lawyer then everyone who failed. but youre worse than everyone who didnt
@BrotherDaniel1 One the points of the video is that such weak candidates shouldn't even be able to gain admission to law school and that the production of JDs should more closely match the real-world demand, which it would if free market forces (such as bankruptcy for student loans) were resorted to legal education. My position is that 60-75% of the law schools need to close or at least that the number of law school seats needs to be reduced by 60-75%.
@JoblessJane but youre forgetting that there are people with law degrees who never practice or even take the bar. you cant limit who deserves the right to attempt to get a legal education. thats unAmerican. whether or not people have realistic expectations of their opportunities with the degrees they obtain is another story. you cant hold institutions responsible for expecting to collect debt from naive people who chose this path for themselves. respect the game
@BrotherDaniel1 In that case, would you agree that market forces should be restored to higher education? Would you support allowing people to be able to declare bankruptcy for poor educational investments in the same way that people can declare bankruptcy for other types of investments (and even gambling debts)? This would force lenders and schools to make sure that their debtors are good investments. What's funny is that in this case free market dogmatists often oppose free market forces.
@BrotherDaniel1 Also, note that anecdotal stories abound about grads of T1 and T14 schools having difficulty obtaining employment in the legal profession, including those who finished in the top halves of their classes.
@JoblessJane everyone i know who has entered the legal profession in the last five years and was near the top of their classes had jobs offered them before they had even graduated. of course they were at tier one schools and participated things like moot court and law revue. also they had internships during every summer they were at lawschool so their resume didnt say "medeocre brat with an english degree who didnt feel like hitting the job market while the economy sucks."
@BrotherDaniel1 The other big issue is whether the overproduction of college graduates is good for our society. Is it beneficial when otherwise hard-working, ambitious young people get saddled with $150,000 of non-dischargeable debt without jobs to show for them? Even if everyone worked very very hard in law school, there are only so many jobs available. If you think about it, excess college education is impoverishing our society and hurts our economy. Restoring market forces would fix it.
@JoblessJane but what do you mean when you say 'restoring market forces.' the reason people are so cavalier about piling up debt, even bankers, is because theres a lender of last resort. they dont have to fear bankruptcy because theres always a bailout if the economy fails. freemarkets dont really exist. but it sounds like youre suggesting we put heavy controls on the market which brings about the failure of capitalism by obstructing the invisible hand
@JoblessJane the reason people are so cavalier about amassing debt is beause at the end, there is always a lender of last resort. freemarkets dont really exist. but adding restrictings on the market by nonmarket forces for the protection of individuals will obstruct the invisible hand and prevent supply from receiving cues from demand. inflation is bad, but deflation is worse. besides, inflation devalues your debt so its good from where youre sitting
The only people who were brainwashed are the retards making these "Don't become X" videos. There is no such thing as a job guarantee anywhere in life. *Finishing* high school doesn't entitle you to college if you finished with a D average. *Finishing* law school doesn't entitle you to a law job if you're in the bottom quartile of lawyers. It is sad that some people learn this fact so late in life.
@Mobiusspore Is it possible that excellent, qualified, hard-working, worthy people could end up unemployed and/or underemployed-out-of-field if a large surplus of people are produced for that field? Are you open to the possibility that our education system may be economically wasteful in those regards? How does it benefit our society to produce more lawyers (or scientists) than the economy can gainfully employ? Would you support restoring market forces (student loan bankruptcy) to education?
Did these excellent, qualified, hard-working, worthy people graduate from a Tier 1 law school? If not, then the argument your video makes could be applied everywhere. I could argue nobody should bother getting a B.S or BA because the University of Phoenix exists. Having freedom implies the freedom to make an inferior choice like a low tier law school or med school in the Caribbean. If they did graduate Tier 1, I concede, but I have a strong hunch that's not the case.
@Mobiusspore Many graduates of T1 schools have ended up unemployed or underemployed-out-of-field. The field is that heavily glutted. On my blog you can find articles where I used ABA and BLS data to calculate that fewer than 54% of all JDs are working in the legal profession and that probably fewer than 30% of new graduates today find entry-level jobs in it. If you pay attention to these issues, you can will even come across numerous anecdotal stories of T14 and T25 grads having difficulty.
@Mobiusspore Enabling people and colleges to engage in economically wasteful activities like excessive education impoverishes our nation. Ideally, graduate production should more closely match the real-world demand for grads, but our government has almost completely removed free market forces from the education business by making student loans non-dischargeable in bankruptcy. If part of the costs of bad educational investments were shifted to lenders and schools, this problem would vanish.
If you can discharge private loans all it means is that you won't get private loans. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The only way to 'fix' this problem is to actually force the law profession to become like the medical profession where all possible surplus is weeded out during admissions. But then you'll probably end up with a shortage like in the medical field which will impoverish the nation through high costs of medical care.
This is sooo true ! I know of someone who went to law school a tier 1 school and can't land a job at a law firm to save his life ! Another average girl who's uncle happens to be a Senator in Ny, already had a job at a big law firm even before graduation ! In law it's all about connections and knowing the right people, I mean look at George Bush, how many times did he fail the bar?.. enuff said !
@Morrocanprincess That not what I call "connections" that's what I call nepotism. If you are related to somebody in a position of power and influence and he or she hires you or helps you attain a job that is called nepotism. Most people are not that lucky.
Then there are those who are lawyers in poor hick towns where they drive 1980s Toyotas and live in apartments instead of driving late model Mercedes and BMWs and live in Mansions. Seriously.
It's common sense that there wouldn't be enough law jobs when one considers how many new lawyers there are each year. As with most professions, unless you're good at what you do (as in significantly better than average) don't assume you will succeed and even then luck still plays a role. I suppose the problem is that the people who aren't aware of this are also the ones who aren't particularly good at what they want to do.
Too. Brilliant. For. Words!!!!!!!!! Although most students in whatever law school do go in believing that even if there's only a 1% chance of making 6 figures a year all 100% believe that they would be in that 1%.
@RealAgentOfSHIELD I love the 1% argument and the "Best of the Best" stuff....people eat that shit up, but the reality is that almost everyone is the same (when you eliminate the advantages of being born to wealthy, well-connected parents). Humans love to be special, but the sad reality is we are mostly the same. Used to be popular to say just because you were black....you were so much different, and inferior to everyone else. Great scientists and all the high society folks believed this.
stop complaining and sit down and read. ur complaining in the vid about not finding a job but what grade did u finish ur degree with? if u graduated with a first class and u cant find a gym then you can complain. anywhere you go the employers will always choose the best and not your crappy 2:2
I went to UNiversity of KY, graduated w honors May 2005 n had to leave d state b/c I couldn't find a job. Did I say I'm bilingual in Spanish? I even applied to UK n they never called, that is disgusting! UK u have your priorities in d wrong place, high salaries for coaches. Instead u should b paying your employees well n helping grads find jobs! See how I'm on my way toward homelessness. Click on my channel!
My friend went into Law and he has turned into a bastard, he enjoys protecting the rich and shitting on the weakest and poorest of our society, Im going to punch him out next time I see him.
Simply put, too many people and too few jobs. Colleges don't care about any students. They're getting paid regardless of how well we do in life. As long as people are dumb enough to pay for that worthless piece of paper, colleges will keep selling their useless product. Look at Miley, Taylor Swift, and all these "celebrities" who never went to college. Looks like the way to make money is to get into showbusiness.
Human law is quite fallible cruel and biased.. Hmm if your lawer life didnt work out like they told u. How the fuck can u agree with the supreme courts rulings!! There a sham also..
POS u brainwashed yourselves.. Sell your soul to be vampires on others!!! This is what you get!! Was never about helping thats why i have work helping others!! And you have an evaporated pot of gold. Enforce law? U wouldnt know how many people you would have abused!! Now go actually do something positive to change your environment.
@TRUTHBETOLD10 You're right on the money. Young people going into these professions are taught to pretend to be altruistic, but deep down inside it is all about control, power and social status to them. Professionals like Psychologists, Divinity people and Lawyers tell everyone what they are supposed to think and do...none of it is for the benefit of the people, it just benefits the "leaders". Perhaps it is poetic justice that wouldbe tyrants have been reduced to poverty and impotence.
@saintgauden The poseur tyrants are at the bottom of the caste system because the real tyrants are at the top destroying and devouring everything in sight.
@dutytocareforothers Faux tyrants or real, no matter. People in American are silly....they like to harass or control others for no apparent reason most of the time. I think like Alan Greenspan, people don't care about the money as much as saying they are better than someone else. The class shit is exciting for our people...tyranny for no beneficial purpose than to harass others. I guess this is why we have so many shooting...or it's just that everyone that dsn't smile and go along are crazy!
A professor buying caviar for his dinner party. Lol. This video is so funny. But I thought this was limited to regular college graduates with BA/BS degrees in English and Business? When did this accelerate to law-school grads? The video is true and I've been saying this for 4 years now and it looks like the video maker is also ahead of the curve. The problem with being ahead of the curve is that nobody listens to you.. until they learn the hard way.. or it hits the front page mainstream media.
Great video. Much of the higher education system, especially law school, is a scam designed to create indentured servants. Google: Danny Weil predatory education.
When I'm asked about going to law school, I ask, “Would you like to practice law in a third world legal system?”
Being a lawyer is even worse than you can imagine. If you piss off a crooked judge or a connected attorney, you will be screwed. To see for yourself, Google: Justice in Florida Supreme Court documents missing.
If your degree is funded by your parents or by your own wages then you should be fine even if you cannot find a decent job. If your low tier degree is funded by loans and you will end up with 6 figures debt don't go straight to law school.
Lots of vitriol. I doubt profs have 5000 foot mansions.
Also, it's really not easy for foreigners to come work in the US... Foreigners who get high paying jobs with big American companies are usually top-ranked in the best universities in their country -- they have to be, if they want to be even considered. As a US citizen you had a huge advantage to begin with, but you're still complaining?
Also, don't be so entitled -- nothing 'guarantees' vocational success.
@Valce1 said: "Foreigners who get high paying jobs with big American companies are usually top-ranked in the best universities in their country -- they have to be, if they want to be even considered."
This is completely untrue. A great number of Indian H1Bs here in the US went to mediocre schools (even by Indian standards) and got shite grades. US companies hire them for one reason and one reason only--they work for cheap.
@doubanjiang I said high-paying jobs. There are foreigners who can land 6-figure American jobs. It's not easy, especially with all these xenophobes running around.
Even with the low-paying jobs though, you shouldn't blame it all on foreigners. Some of the ones who make it have worked really hard to find the opportunities that we take for granted. If you were in their shoes, wouldn't you try to do the same?
I'm not blaming the foreigners--if I came from a country where starting pay is $500 a month, and I had the chance to make$3300 a month, of course I'd leap at it. I reserve the blame for US companies that hire this cheap labor where the rewards accrue to CEOs and stockholders, and for the US government that allows the H1B travesty to continue.
@doubanjiang Excellent! I agree with you there :) It's hard. There are probably people who really deserve H1B status, but you also have to do what's right for the American people (which is to protect American jobs). So do you get rid of H1B, keep H1B or take the middle road and try to salvage it?
Not an easy problem, and I'm glad it's not my call to make :)
I would heavily reform the H1B visa. First, only those who graduated from US universities should be eligible. At least then we could be sure of their qualifications. You'd be surprised how many of the H1Bs coming from India have fraudulent qualifications--forged transcripts, phony work history etc. I'm not as familiar with Chinese H1Bs, but I'm sure fraud is a factor in some of those as well.
India does have some good universities--the IITs for instance. But I would still require them to obtain a US degree. If for nothing more than making a greater fiscal contribution to our economy. I would also make damn sure the companies pay H1Bs comparable salaries to US workers as they are required to do by law--a lot of companies do not.
This society is a pile of dog shit. The government systematically destroys the most vulnerable people in society - young students with no money. They are forced into debt by the lies that the government feeds everyone. Fuck you!
@tothatextent lolwut. What are they doing that is so exploitative? :P If you choose to take on loans and choose to study somewhere and then fail to find a job, is that the government's fault or yours? If you were misled, resolve not to be misled again.
I know it's hard to accept personal responsibility for our mistakes, but be brave! :)
@Valce1 What are they (the government) doing that is so exploitative? They are bullshitting people from day one when they start going to school (Liberalial indoctrination centers) that your key to success is education. The government damn well knows that only the top 5 % of the population will excel due to education. They make student loans easy to access, change legislation so you can not write off student loans in bankruptcy claims. And, they know clerical type jobs are going offshore.
@tothatextent They're not lying. Education is (for most people) a necessary condition for financial success, but it is not a sufficient condition. Going to school won't automatically make you financially successful.
But yes, there are some people for whom the education system works well and some for whom it doesn't. I'm sorry that it doesn't/didn't work for you. To be harsh, you should honestly evaluate your own limits before you pursue an expensive education.
@Valce1 I went to law school and have an MBA, I am as good as it gets. When I was in law school one of the first things the professor told the class, and I do quote : "your success as a lawyer will come down to one thing, your family background. The same families that were rich 200 years ago are the same families that are rich today. On both sides of the Atlanic". Despite knowing this information, the government stll creates the illusion that education = success.
@tothatextent The "I am as good as it gets" attitude is wrong. I doubt you are the greatest person ever, and if (I point out the 'if' -- I know nothing about you as a person) if you didn't succeed as much as you would have liked, you can't blame it all on 'the system.' Yes, the system is flawed. But it is possible to make it. Blaming other people leads to an attitude of 'I am obviously a genius why doesn't the world see that?'
@Valce1 I think you are missing the point. The point I am pointing out is based on statistics, it nothing to do with emotion or morals. The sad fact of the matter is that all clerical type jobs (anything thing written, including lawyers and accountants) has been, and will continue to be outsourced - those are the stats. Law school enrollment has increased dramatically while jobs in this field have declined. It has nothing to do with the right attitude or bullshit like that.
@tothatextent If you want to talk facts, you'll need to back them up. I don't believe that America is rapidly outsourcing its lawyers to other countries. I'm pretty sure the American legal profession jealously protects their employment rights. Citation needed.
Basic clerical jobs, sure. Basic tech jobs, sure. But I would suggest that the outsourcing in 'skilled' labour is not as bad as you suggest.
@tothatextent Dude, I'm totally not paying $5 to prove a point on the internet. If you've read it, what stats does it cite on lawyers being hired from outside the country? Some states (like New York iirc, isn't that where a lot of big firms practice?) won't even let you take the bar unless you graduated with a JD from a US school...
@Valce1 You are missing the point. There will be call centers for legal work. The people in India and China will not be called to the bar, they will just do the grunt work, same thing for accountants and doctors. There are government stats on what I am talking about. Legal jobs accounting jobs and medical jobs are dropping rapidly, yet enrollment is increase in all of these professions. The government is well aware of the deficeit.
Accounting jobs are not dropping nor will they ever drop. Do your research. The problem isn't the job growth for lawyers it is the number of law school graduates. I know tons of idiots that are going off to tier 2 and lower law schools and taking out 80k+ in debt!
It won't succeed, because people who badly want to be lawyers won't listen. No matter what. They want the prestige and status associated with this profession. Law school might have been a smart choice in the 1970s or 1980s, but the legal profession is flooded now. There is little to zero chance of a law grad finding a job within one year of graduation.
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EthanFairview 4 weeks ago
There is a facebook page urging undergraduates to avoid law school like the plague, it's called Don't Go To Law School
EthanFairview 4 weeks ago
I`m a law student in the U.K. And this has a familiar and depressing ring to it..
freqeist 1 month ago
I hope that everyone enjoys my NEW video satirizing the opening of yet more unneeded law schools. You can find it here: watch?v=-tSiGME6fw8
JoblessJane 1 month ago
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My friend from college named Chinelo went to law school and it seems fine for her though. She is half black (african dad) and half white (white mother) and went to yale law school and graduated and worked for a judge in NYC. She majored in corporate law and is making a lot of money..however I've been out of college a long time and don't know if it's worth the time! and I think she married someone she went to lawschool with.-Michelle
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AwakeningtoMe 1 month ago
This video creeped me out! My lil nephew who dropped out of high school name is Timmy. ANd i applied to law school a few years ago, but because of my two kids decided maybe a different career....though i wanted to be a lawyer since I was a small child. But I guess when you have a husband and kids things change and they say lawyers are unhappy.
AwakeningtoMe 1 month ago
Many "resume consultants" are actually college recruiters. After both my Bachelor's graduation in Political Science and Master's graduation in Public Admin at UW-Milwaukee, the school's "Career Development Center" advised that I "try law school." They had nothing more to say when I said, "Sorry, but my Master's degree is my terminal degree, unless you want to pay for it."
SenatorJPO 2 months ago
SO very true about higher education in general, not just Law School.
YJ4 2 months ago
@YJ4 its what you make it also
freqeist 1 month ago
lol FartKnoaker...
MrJumblerr 2 months ago
LOL I dropped out of High School and I'm still successful. Why? because I have talent and ambition XD I feel sorry for these suckers, they were lied to all thier lives about College and Law Schools are the worst. They pretend that a large portion of their students will find success but it's a very small percentage. Not everyone has it in them to be a lawyer. You have to be one cold son of a bitch to do that job I'm sure.
MrROTD 2 months ago
@MrROTD Thank goodness the Internet has helped people become aware of the less-successful college graduates, as the group mentality in high school AP courses tends to be "college, college, college."
SenatorJPO 2 months ago
most of the attorneys in the firms I have worked at as a file clerk in my undergrad years came from 3rd and 4th tier law school
jwmarco21 3 months ago
higher education gives you a chance to meet determined people balah blah.
not bad.
but everyone have to find their unique way to shine.
After all many billionaires havent been excelent in school, but they shined in one aspect - like onle marketing or only IT like Branson or Gates(ok, gates is a bad example, but he still dropped out, since he didnt need it )
Though other billionaires have demonstrated excelent skills everywhere from their early years like Ross Perot
EdTheBadass 3 months ago
We have way too many liars, I mean lawyers, and not enough engineers. Become an engineer instead!
Pathfinder767 3 months ago
This shit is hillarious.
FireBomberBassist 4 months ago
This makes me EXTREMELY happy that I did not go to law school. Way better off in a free policy masters programs where I get to still have an impact without all of the debt. Couldn't be any happier. I may have realized it $500 later after apps, but better than six figure debt later.
sabzd 4 months ago
Hey, graduate! Ever hear of filing a lawsuit? Use your talents and USE YOUR BRAIN. Education is NEVER a waste of time or money. "Time is money." You are RICH and don't even know it!
laroger0 4 months ago
THE REASON WHY THE VIDEOS EXIST IS CAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY LOWER TIER LAW SCHOOLS....IF YOU EXPECT TO GET ANYWHERE GOIN TO SOME BULLSHIT LAW SCHOOL WITH BS GRADES.....GOOD LUCK
8MunchenBayern8 5 months ago
@8MunchenBayern8 As a result of the proliferation of law schools and huge glut of lawyers that's built up over the years, it's not merely graduates of non-first tier schools who are having difficulty, but also graduates of the top 50 schools. It's been reported that even graduates at top 10 law schools are having problems. The only real solution is for 75% of the law schools to close.
JoblessJane 5 months ago 7
@JoblessJane there are too many BS law schools, end of story....if youre not looking to get your JD to help your family run a business or to do some entrepreneur work of some sort and youre gettin it from some lower tier college to start off fresh at a firm....close to impossible... i know plenty of successful fresh grads that are all making 100k+...my sister went to loyola law school in los angeles and graduated top 10% and she's working at Mcdermott and making 160,000 a year...
8MunchenBayern8 5 months ago
as a result, the formula is, dont go to a bs law school and get very good grades while doing an externship and networking in the school. Myself, i am a computer programmer, and graduated from ucla with a bs in computer science
8MunchenBayern8 5 months ago
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as a result, the formula is, dont go to a bs law school and get very good grades while doing an externship and networking in the school. Myself, i am a computer programmer, and graduated from ucla with a bs in computer science
8MunchenBayern8 5 months ago
@8MunchenBayern8 Don't blame it on the low tier schools. There are just too many lawyers, period and too many law schools.
mochafudgetruffle 3 weeks ago
watch?v=b53ZyvUtXxE&feature=relmfu this is fucking hilarious
johnnystud39 5 months ago
It's obvious that many of you clearly have no knowledge of the legal field and what takes place to achieve success during & after law school. Competitiveness is a true understatment. Oversaturation doesn't even begin to describe what most graduates are facing not to mention this weak economy. I have a good friend who went to Michigan-Ann Arbor, passed the bar & is doing temp clerk work. My male friend just graduated Harvard & is unemployed. Top schools don't = money. TRUST ME!!!
divalizzous 5 months ago
i think its funny how everyone states they can't find a job after graduating law school, i know many people that have graduated from UT LAW and are making six figure salaries all over the country. My best friends brother just got hired last year, not with six figure salary but up there, and he just recently graduated from UT law. like seriously if you got to shitty school no one will hire you... common sense. if you dont know that then you shouldn't be a lawyer.
Carl0sl70n 5 months ago
SNAP!
good video! PLEASE MAKE MORE!
SuperKojim 5 months ago
Law school was a terrible, costly mistake that has caused me nothing but heartache.
mjn76 6 months ago
they look like legos
macadameon21 6 months ago
What US State Sponsored Terrorism says is sad, but probably true. A great many illegals with the equivalent of 8th grade educations probably earn more than most law school graduates and they don't have any debt.
JoblessJane 6 months ago
I challenge ANY OF YOU who are lawyers to compare your documented income here online with the tax forms of 3 illegal Mexican friends of mine who work in construction and who are under 30 yrs old! If you will put your income statements online I will post their tax declarations for everybody to see. I have been a college instructor for the past 25 years and I say AMERICAN EDUCATION IS A FRAUD! These Mexicans,n only 7 years of working here, now have 3 new houses each,completely paid 4 in Mexico!
USStateSponTerrorism 6 months ago
I'll even go further with you guys on the bet. I'll bet that I can show that the income of these Mexs is more than ANY of you guys who have been attorneys for up to 5 years; I don't care where you work! The President of the university where I taught doesn't make as much in a year as one of these guys in ONE MONTH! Here's another example of what a joke our education is.. In my college we are threatened that if we don't pass all black students, our teaching contracts won't be renewed!!!
USStateSponTerrorism 6 months ago
If ignorance of the law is no excuse, who can I look to sue to pay to put me through law school so I don't unintentionally break some obscure law which I could possibly be arrested for, seeing as the government is out to make everyone criminals by way of these obscure laws?
Tikitian 6 months ago
Wow, great research for this video. Outstanding job!
mjectste17 7 months ago
Last but not least, if you score a great Scholly, say 50 to 100% of tuition, ALWAYS VERIFY for stipulations. If it says "Be in the Top-30%" or anything similar, tell them to fuck off.
Even better, leverage this Scholly with better ranked/or lower ranked schools and make them give you similar funding without those strict stips.
DO NOT PAY STICKER unless it's HYS, make this fact enter your fucking head before even applying to Law School.
WarrenAch 7 months ago
Steps to not end up sad after graduation:
1)Don't enroll in a Law School ranked lower than Top-30.
2)Do NOT pay sticker unless it's HYS.
3)Work your ass off to make it Top 40% in 1L and network while you're still at school.
4)When OCI starts, don't shoot for the fucking moon and try to apply to jobs who fit realistically with your School Rank and grades.(That means, don't interview for firms where 80 % + of the associates they had graduated from a T-14).
There you go, hope it helps.
WarrenAch 7 months ago
I'll never forget having this law graduate preparing my taxes for HR Block. The guy was so miserable because he could not find a job.
frogca 7 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
CRACKA205213 8 months ago
what you shoulda wrote is "if you can type, you can be a lawyer" lol .... i just hope you did in fact go to law school, since most people who say higher education is over rated are still the idiots that only have a HS education LOL.
48memorex 8 months ago
Kill all lawyers : problem solved.
HomePersonalSecurity 8 months ago
@HomePersonalSecurity As much as they might be the scum of the earth in general, there a a small amount of honest lawyers. And we need them, especially the lower than life ambulance chasers
man11withaplan 8 months ago
hehehe...he said poop stains
tacothetown 8 months ago
I study in law school, being a lawyer is honour and it's a very difficult profession if you can't find a job as a lawyer that means you are not a good lawyer because lawyers are need in the whole world in every structure and department, law regulates every field of our lives, without lawyers, law givers, judges, attorneys all of your's lives would go crazy, we are needed, Professional lawyers ;))
Georgianable 9 months ago
@Georgianable Might wanna scrub up on your punctuation before you try drafting any contracts.
snackajack117 8 months ago
@snackajack117 Oh that's funny haha, when I draft a contact I will pay attention to it, but I don't think youtube is a place where I have to foresee punctuation rules and I just smile when you try to make my rank down with your scoldings like a philologist. It's marasm to talk about punctuation on Youtube comments, I think you are one from the lawyers who didn't get a job, may be because of your character.
Georgianable 8 months ago
@snackajack117 Punctuation has different rules in different languages, you are from UK and English is your first language but not mine. So it's just really folly from your side to speak about punctuation with me, it's not at all insulting to me, I am not English to speak, write, and spell perfectly, I speak my language Georgian really well also old Georgian and I speak old and new Greek languages and Russian too, so your poor scoldings of punctuation is just marasmus and nothing else for me.
Georgianable 8 months ago
@snackajack117 Oh and... till I get 22 years old I will study somehow how to use punctuation correctly in English , I am not drafting contacts yet I am first year student...
Georgianable 8 months ago
@Georgianable It was some simple advice; people are not always aware of how their writing comes across. I know English people who write badly and non-native English speakers who write immaculately. If you want to conduct legal work in English you will need to be in the latter category. If you are not planning on drafting contracts in English, I take it back.
snackajack117 8 months ago
@snackajack117 Thank you for your kind advice but you should know that youtube is not a contract... and when i draft a contract I will use it correctly. My advice is not to make early decisions just from youtube comments, if u are a lawyer too u will need a skill of knowing people and making correct decisions and views about persons...deal with it.
Georgianable 8 months ago
What a great video!!! I have a lot of friends in the same boat.
mbmart2005 9 months ago
Join a movement to expose the problems with colleges. Type in Reform Higher Education Now in the search box on Facebook and push for change.
cwieand 9 months ago
What a sob story. The truth is this: those that can hack it, will be successful. Those who can't, will whine and make excuses.
Viniagrette 9 months ago
Well the answer is very simple. Close down most of law schools. There are so many of them. It is a joke. How many medical schools in California? About 10 i think. How many law school in California? 100 I guess. Time to downsize them to 10 or 20. With the current trend, anyone can be a lawyer. Not everyone can be a doctor. People need doctors more than lawyer.
danalura 9 months ago
hahahahahaha
frenchlearner19 9 months ago
im done with undergrad this fall with zero debt and considering law school as i believe it is the ultimate "rite of passage" in education. what grad program tops the JD? i think the true shitstains are the ones in psychology or some other useless program.
why i want a JD?
1/4 of the adult US population is college educated, while only 7% hold graduate degrees or higher, how many lawyers? roughly 800,000. that is less than .003% of people in the US can look in the mirror and say "yep, yep, im a
photoflix291 9 months ago
@JoblessJane As educated as you seem to be, you don't seem to grasp the fact that an educated population is a driving force for America. Deterring potential students from any sort of education (be it high school, law school, med school, grad school...etc) is highly unorthodox, especially for someone whom (I'm assuming) has a JD. Here in Canada, the job market isn't as bad as the states but it's still difficult. Yet that should not be a deciding factor for not furthering your education.
windows72 9 months ago
@windows72 If a educated population is so important for a nation, then why is college education from a public uni so expensive? This underscores that this nation doesn't really care about an educated population because its impossible for smart ppl with decent incomes to send their children to college.
ripperduck 9 months ago
This video is so true about law school and it's graduates. Everyone wants to be a lawyer these days and there is an oversupply of lawyers. Most lawyers have to become solo attorneys because no law firms will hire a fresh graduate.
dmeiske1 10 months ago
My brother just graduated from Law School and he got a job right away making 120,000 dollars here in ARIZONA!
haha
brian8793 10 months ago 4
@brian8793 Good for your brother. The problem is that the percentage of JDs who land those kinds of plum jobs is very small and that a great many end up unemployed or underemployed and out of the legal profession. I'm all for people going to law school and getting great jobs. I just want to reduce the number of law students so that lawyer production more closely matches the real world demand, resulting in a much higher percentage of new JDs obtaining good career-building jobs.
JoblessJane 10 months ago 12
@JoblessJane You don't have to be a big shot lawyer. There are PLENTY of jobs for anybody who passes the bar. Maybe they're not high paying at first, but sometimes you have to put in work, and be on the grind for a few years. This video is booboo. There will always be a need for Law School Graduates.
Scrubbing toilets? You can at least be a school teacher. They make a decent salary, especially when you look at how the rest of the world is doing.
brian8793 10 months ago
@brian8793 What you said about plenty of jobs for lawyers (with compensation commensurate to educational investment) were true. However, if you read the JD Underground forum you will come across abundant anecdotal evidence that we have a huge oversupply and that employers in other fields regard JDs as unemployable overqualified losers. If you read my blog, Fluster Cucked, you'll also find posts where I've hashed through ABA and BLS data to show that only 54% of all JDs work as lawyers.
JoblessJane 10 months ago 2
@JoblessJane I am trying to get into Law School, and I don't plan on being a lawyer. I just want to have it as a back up if my business venture fails. Plus, if I have children, I would like them to know that education is important, and the best way to lead is by your example.
This video is funny though....lol
brian8793 10 months ago
@brian8793
I hope you don't have to incur too much student loan debt. If you incur debt you will need a job to pay it off.
FutureCACPA 9 months ago
Correction. That first line should read: "I wish that what you said about plenty of jobs for lawyers (with compensation commensurate to educational investment) were true."
JoblessJane 10 months ago
@JoblessJane
Jane you should have become a CPA. I will be graduating with not only no loans but with around five figures cash in my pocket!!! I got picked up by a CPA firm as a junior. The most paid in tuition for me was 6k per year for 2 years of university. The rest of my education came from community college where I paid 300 per semester.
My starting salary will be around 45k once I get promoted to full time when I graduate!
FutureCACPA 9 months ago
@JoblessJane The reality is that unless your going to one of the top schools like Harvard or Yale dont even bother going to law school. Probably the top 30 or 40 at the most. definitely dont go if all you could get into is some 2nd tier or 3 or 4th tier school. They need to shut down about half of all law schools its as simple as that.
destroyer8604 6 months ago
@JoblessJane
you forget about the in house legal jobs
algrand90 6 months ago
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nickqt 9 months ago
@brian8793 No education is destroyed! I was an education major and got the hell out of it
o13starsnstripes 7 months ago
@brian8793
I don't know what you are smoking. Have you read the newspaper recently? In california they have sliced so many teaching jobs that they aren't hiring anyone. I know teachers with credentials that work as cashiers at walmart.
Go to shit law jobs . com and see how lawyers are not commanding high salaries now. Unless you graduate from a top law school or you are undefeated in court. I know because my friend is a partner at a top 100 law firm.
New grads are a dime a dozen.
FutureCACPA 7 months ago
@brian8793 There's some truth to your comment, but here's the problem. Let's say you become a high school teacher starting out at $50,000. To most people, $50,000, while not "high life" money, will still earn you a decent living. But if you have a BULLSHIT monthly student loan payment of $1,000, $2,000 or more, your resources are just being DRAINED each month. There is no way to justify what the American higher education industry is doing right now and it's sad how low they've sunk.
phillyspartanfan 6 months ago
@brian8793 We should start taxing people like your brother at 50% of his income so that we can make more jobs through the state. This feast or famine economy causes suicides and depression- your brother is partly to blame.
spartan2600 9 months ago
@brian8793 Good for your brother yet I've see tons of lawyers who don't go onto doing that after school. So I'm curious what school?
Charlesperalo 8 months ago
@brian8793 ,
It's not what you know but, WHO YOU KNOW!!!! he is the 1% out of 100% PURE LUCK!! i have known several collegues that graduated from Ivy League schools and are unemployed!
savvy777333 6 months ago
@brian8793 Well your brother is the exception, not the rule, right now. I'm assuming he got a job with a law firm? If that's the case, how HAPPY is he with his job (and it might be too early to really know)? I ask because so many people with these "wonderful" six-figure salary firm jobs are absolutely MISERABLE with their lives. They're just plain overworked and having their souls drained by a bunch of greedy pricks who want to squeeze every penny they can out of them.
phillyspartanfan 6 months ago
@brian8793 bullshit...
KingDcome11 5 months ago
@brian8793 What school did he go to?
Waktsurfr 4 months ago
@brian8793 Congrats for him. But he is in a very small minority group of law school grads that get great paying jobs in the legal profession. There's just too many lawy school grads for the few jobs in America nowadays. And those jobs don't pay that $120,000 starting off. They need to be more strict with law school admissions or close down a lot of the schools down.
jteruel671 4 months ago
this is crazy
verucasalt1323 11 months ago
What thing in Xtranormal Movie Maker did you use to get these weird, rectangular people?
MrCookiecola 11 months ago
I went to college so I could give democrats my money. I loved buying 300 dollar books. I loved repeating the same shit I was told to repeat by so old fucker who most of the time was phoning it in. Now I have a philosophy degree I could open up a Phillosophy store! Yaaaa!
St1kyFinguz 11 months ago
Bwahahaha .... sorry crybabies who thought you'd jump into a $200,000 per year job because you want to law school. Yeah, get into it like the rest of us, open a practice, build it up, make a name for yourself, sweat it out the first few years ... sorry crybabies, there's no yellow brick road or easy life for you.
EsqDave 11 months ago
this guys a sucker! tier 3 lawschool? that means bottom 50%-75%. and he probably didnt get any internships while he was in school. went out drinking instead. law school is a shark tank. you think half-assing your law education like you did your useless undergrad liberal arts degree will get you paid? you deserve the bottom rung! barely making it thru a crappy lawschool means youre a better lawyer then everyone who failed. but youre worse than everyone who didnt
BrotherDaniel1 11 months ago
@BrotherDaniel1 One the points of the video is that such weak candidates shouldn't even be able to gain admission to law school and that the production of JDs should more closely match the real-world demand, which it would if free market forces (such as bankruptcy for student loans) were resorted to legal education. My position is that 60-75% of the law schools need to close or at least that the number of law school seats needs to be reduced by 60-75%.
JoblessJane 11 months ago
@JoblessJane but youre forgetting that there are people with law degrees who never practice or even take the bar. you cant limit who deserves the right to attempt to get a legal education. thats unAmerican. whether or not people have realistic expectations of their opportunities with the degrees they obtain is another story. you cant hold institutions responsible for expecting to collect debt from naive people who chose this path for themselves. respect the game
BrotherDaniel1 11 months ago
@BrotherDaniel1 In that case, would you agree that market forces should be restored to higher education? Would you support allowing people to be able to declare bankruptcy for poor educational investments in the same way that people can declare bankruptcy for other types of investments (and even gambling debts)? This would force lenders and schools to make sure that their debtors are good investments. What's funny is that in this case free market dogmatists often oppose free market forces.
JoblessJane 11 months ago
@BrotherDaniel1 Also, note that anecdotal stories abound about grads of T1 and T14 schools having difficulty obtaining employment in the legal profession, including those who finished in the top halves of their classes.
JoblessJane 11 months ago
@JoblessJane everyone i know who has entered the legal profession in the last five years and was near the top of their classes had jobs offered them before they had even graduated. of course they were at tier one schools and participated things like moot court and law revue. also they had internships during every summer they were at lawschool so their resume didnt say "medeocre brat with an english degree who didnt feel like hitting the job market while the economy sucks."
BrotherDaniel1 11 months ago
@BrotherDaniel1 The other big issue is whether the overproduction of college graduates is good for our society. Is it beneficial when otherwise hard-working, ambitious young people get saddled with $150,000 of non-dischargeable debt without jobs to show for them? Even if everyone worked very very hard in law school, there are only so many jobs available. If you think about it, excess college education is impoverishing our society and hurts our economy. Restoring market forces would fix it.
JoblessJane 11 months ago
@JoblessJane but what do you mean when you say 'restoring market forces.' the reason people are so cavalier about piling up debt, even bankers, is because theres a lender of last resort. they dont have to fear bankruptcy because theres always a bailout if the economy fails. freemarkets dont really exist. but it sounds like youre suggesting we put heavy controls on the market which brings about the failure of capitalism by obstructing the invisible hand
BrotherDaniel1 11 months ago
@JoblessJane the reason people are so cavalier about amassing debt is beause at the end, there is always a lender of last resort. freemarkets dont really exist. but adding restrictings on the market by nonmarket forces for the protection of individuals will obstruct the invisible hand and prevent supply from receiving cues from demand. inflation is bad, but deflation is worse. besides, inflation devalues your debt so its good from where youre sitting
BrotherDaniel1 11 months ago
watch my vid it about a guy on the maury show its from xtranormal and its mad funny lmao subscribe
raccoonkkzyo 11 months ago
maybe I should give up on the dream
legalboxers 11 months ago
The only people who were brainwashed are the retards making these "Don't become X" videos. There is no such thing as a job guarantee anywhere in life. *Finishing* high school doesn't entitle you to college if you finished with a D average. *Finishing* law school doesn't entitle you to a law job if you're in the bottom quartile of lawyers. It is sad that some people learn this fact so late in life.
Mobiusspore 11 months ago
@Mobiusspore Is it possible that excellent, qualified, hard-working, worthy people could end up unemployed and/or underemployed-out-of-field if a large surplus of people are produced for that field? Are you open to the possibility that our education system may be economically wasteful in those regards? How does it benefit our society to produce more lawyers (or scientists) than the economy can gainfully employ? Would you support restoring market forces (student loan bankruptcy) to education?
JoblessJane 11 months ago
@JoblessJane
Did these excellent, qualified, hard-working, worthy people graduate from a Tier 1 law school? If not, then the argument your video makes could be applied everywhere. I could argue nobody should bother getting a B.S or BA because the University of Phoenix exists. Having freedom implies the freedom to make an inferior choice like a low tier law school or med school in the Caribbean. If they did graduate Tier 1, I concede, but I have a strong hunch that's not the case.
Mobiusspore 11 months ago
@Mobiusspore Many graduates of T1 schools have ended up unemployed or underemployed-out-of-field. The field is that heavily glutted. On my blog you can find articles where I used ABA and BLS data to calculate that fewer than 54% of all JDs are working in the legal profession and that probably fewer than 30% of new graduates today find entry-level jobs in it. If you pay attention to these issues, you can will even come across numerous anecdotal stories of T14 and T25 grads having difficulty.
JoblessJane 11 months ago
@Mobiusspore Enabling people and colleges to engage in economically wasteful activities like excessive education impoverishes our nation. Ideally, graduate production should more closely match the real-world demand for grads, but our government has almost completely removed free market forces from the education business by making student loans non-dischargeable in bankruptcy. If part of the costs of bad educational investments were shifted to lenders and schools, this problem would vanish.
JoblessJane 11 months ago
@JoblessJane
If you can discharge private loans all it means is that you won't get private loans. You can't have your cake and eat it too. The only way to 'fix' this problem is to actually force the law profession to become like the medical profession where all possible surplus is weeded out during admissions. But then you'll probably end up with a shortage like in the medical field which will impoverish the nation through high costs of medical care.
Mobiusspore 11 months ago
If you went to collage you have a better chance of finding a job over seas then here in the US.
blkhat117 11 months ago
lots of swears ... i love it :P
coolbm1997 11 months ago
This is sooo true ! I know of someone who went to law school a tier 1 school and can't land a job at a law firm to save his life ! Another average girl who's uncle happens to be a Senator in Ny, already had a job at a big law firm even before graduation ! In law it's all about connections and knowing the right people, I mean look at George Bush, how many times did he fail the bar?.. enuff said !
Morrocanprincess 11 months ago
@Morrocanprincess That not what I call "connections" that's what I call nepotism. If you are related to somebody in a position of power and influence and he or she hires you or helps you attain a job that is called nepotism. Most people are not that lucky.
dutytocareforothers 11 months ago
Math and Science > Reading and Writing. Trust me, the world is giving up on reading and writing. Reading and Writing won't get you money.
anythingnew 11 months ago
@anythingnew Where exactly are people doing all this math and science at? Certainly not at Wal-Mart or Home Depot.
dutytocareforothers 11 months ago
@dutytocareforothers
I don't understand. Are you for me or against me?
anythingnew 11 months ago
Then there are those who are lawyers in poor hick towns where they drive 1980s Toyotas and live in apartments instead of driving late model Mercedes and BMWs and live in Mansions. Seriously.
Haseeb2 11 months ago
/watch?v=PWGyvq76jyQ
TheStarlard 1 year ago
It's common sense that there wouldn't be enough law jobs when one considers how many new lawyers there are each year. As with most professions, unless you're good at what you do (as in significantly better than average) don't assume you will succeed and even then luck still plays a role. I suppose the problem is that the people who aren't aware of this are also the ones who aren't particularly good at what they want to do.
ChadZ1 1 year ago
Too. Brilliant. For. Words!!!!!!!!! Although most students in whatever law school do go in believing that even if there's only a 1% chance of making 6 figures a year all 100% believe that they would be in that 1%.
RealAgentOfSHIELD 1 year ago
@RealAgentOfSHIELD I love the 1% argument and the "Best of the Best" stuff....people eat that shit up, but the reality is that almost everyone is the same (when you eliminate the advantages of being born to wealthy, well-connected parents). Humans love to be special, but the sad reality is we are mostly the same. Used to be popular to say just because you were black....you were so much different, and inferior to everyone else. Great scientists and all the high society folks believed this.
saintgauden 11 months ago
Moral of the story, go to a T-14 or go fuck yourself, avoid TTTs like the plague.
WarrenAch 1 year ago
Just curious, in "law school students" terminology what are 1Ls?
shellonohobo 1 year ago
@shellonohobo first year students.
jlmstarbuck 1 year ago
100% TRUTH!!!!!!!! Anyone contemplating law school..HEED THIS ADVICE.
rftc700 1 year ago
stop complaining and sit down and read. ur complaining in the vid about not finding a job but what grade did u finish ur degree with? if u graduated with a first class and u cant find a gym then you can complain. anywhere you go the employers will always choose the best and not your crappy 2:2
alexthem123 1 year ago
gwar2006...too bad he didn't get to try the poor, pitiful single mother B.S. as well. If he were a woman, he would have tried that one as well.
saintgauden 1 year ago
I went to UNiversity of KY, graduated w honors May 2005 n had to leave d state b/c I couldn't find a job. Did I say I'm bilingual in Spanish? I even applied to UK n they never called, that is disgusting! UK u have your priorities in d wrong place, high salaries for coaches. Instead u should b paying your employees well n helping grads find jobs! See how I'm on my way toward homelessness. Click on my channel!
Niv6548 1 year ago
My friend went into Law and he has turned into a bastard, he enjoys protecting the rich and shitting on the weakest and poorest of our society, Im going to punch him out next time I see him.
MrROTD 1 year ago
Simply put, too many people and too few jobs. Colleges don't care about any students. They're getting paid regardless of how well we do in life. As long as people are dumb enough to pay for that worthless piece of paper, colleges will keep selling their useless product. Look at Miley, Taylor Swift, and all these "celebrities" who never went to college. Looks like the way to make money is to get into showbusiness.
Jinxguy1000 1 year ago
Human law is quite fallible cruel and biased.. Hmm if your lawer life didnt work out like they told u. How the fuck can u agree with the supreme courts rulings!! There a sham also..
TRUTHBETOLD10 1 year ago
POS u brainwashed yourselves.. Sell your soul to be vampires on others!!! This is what you get!! Was never about helping thats why i have work helping others!! And you have an evaporated pot of gold. Enforce law? U wouldnt know how many people you would have abused!! Now go actually do something positive to change your environment.
TRUTHBETOLD10 1 year ago
@TRUTHBETOLD10 You're right on the money. Young people going into these professions are taught to pretend to be altruistic, but deep down inside it is all about control, power and social status to them. Professionals like Psychologists, Divinity people and Lawyers tell everyone what they are supposed to think and do...none of it is for the benefit of the people, it just benefits the "leaders". Perhaps it is poetic justice that wouldbe tyrants have been reduced to poverty and impotence.
saintgauden 1 year ago
@saintgauden The poseur tyrants are at the bottom of the caste system because the real tyrants are at the top destroying and devouring everything in sight.
dutytocareforothers 11 months ago
@dutytocareforothers Faux tyrants or real, no matter. People in American are silly....they like to harass or control others for no apparent reason most of the time. I think like Alan Greenspan, people don't care about the money as much as saying they are better than someone else. The class shit is exciting for our people...tyranny for no beneficial purpose than to harass others. I guess this is why we have so many shooting...or it's just that everyone that dsn't smile and go along are crazy!
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ranitamalshika 1 year ago
I don't if the tear in my eye is from laughing or crying.
apocolyptically 1 year ago
Dean Scumbuckets
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NORTHERNKONFLIKT 1 year ago
Do you know how these videos are made... I have seen several and wanted to make some for my class in school law.
Thanks -WB
Victorysportspv 1 year ago
A professor buying caviar for his dinner party. Lol. This video is so funny. But I thought this was limited to regular college graduates with BA/BS degrees in English and Business? When did this accelerate to law-school grads? The video is true and I've been saying this for 4 years now and it looks like the video maker is also ahead of the curve. The problem with being ahead of the curve is that nobody listens to you.. until they learn the hard way.. or it hits the front page mainstream media.
LeftLiberalSoCal 1 year ago
There is another similar dialog of the conversation prior to the Dean making his trip to the Mart under "student loan crisis and Obamanomics"
2plnkr 1 year ago
Great video. Much of the higher education system, especially law school, is a scam designed to create indentured servants. Google: Danny Weil predatory education.
When I'm asked about going to law school, I ask, “Would you like to practice law in a third world legal system?”
Being a lawyer is even worse than you can imagine. If you piss off a crooked judge or a connected attorney, you will be screwed. To see for yourself, Google: Justice in Florida Supreme Court documents missing.
MarkAdamsAtty 1 year ago
Weird. I have never had trouble getting a job as a lawyer.
sarahalm 1 year ago
@sarahalm what tier law school did you go to? i'm going to a lower tiered school next fall, and this is freakin' me out
TheDarthHomo 1 year ago
@TheDarthHomo
If your degree is funded by your parents or by your own wages then you should be fine even if you cannot find a decent job. If your low tier degree is funded by loans and you will end up with 6 figures debt don't go straight to law school.
Rockynurse 1 year ago
@sarahalm Same here. I've been busy since the first day I became a lawyer.
Exilemainstreet 1 year ago
LOL!!! This is scary. But, I like when he says "fartmilker though."
xTRAPJAWx 1 year ago
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ItsMrThegamerguy2010 1 year ago
@JoblessJane
Lots of vitriol. I doubt profs have 5000 foot mansions.
Also, it's really not easy for foreigners to come work in the US... Foreigners who get high paying jobs with big American companies are usually top-ranked in the best universities in their country -- they have to be, if they want to be even considered. As a US citizen you had a huge advantage to begin with, but you're still complaining?
Also, don't be so entitled -- nothing 'guarantees' vocational success.
Valce1 1 year ago
@Valce1 said: "Foreigners who get high paying jobs with big American companies are usually top-ranked in the best universities in their country -- they have to be, if they want to be even considered."
This is completely untrue. A great number of Indian H1Bs here in the US went to mediocre schools (even by Indian standards) and got shite grades. US companies hire them for one reason and one reason only--they work for cheap.
doubanjiang 1 year ago
@doubanjiang I said high-paying jobs. There are foreigners who can land 6-figure American jobs. It's not easy, especially with all these xenophobes running around.
Even with the low-paying jobs though, you shouldn't blame it all on foreigners. Some of the ones who make it have worked really hard to find the opportunities that we take for granted. If you were in their shoes, wouldn't you try to do the same?
Valce1 1 year ago
@Valce1
I'm not blaming the foreigners--if I came from a country where starting pay is $500 a month, and I had the chance to make$3300 a month, of course I'd leap at it. I reserve the blame for US companies that hire this cheap labor where the rewards accrue to CEOs and stockholders, and for the US government that allows the H1B travesty to continue.
doubanjiang 1 year ago
@doubanjiang Excellent! I agree with you there :) It's hard. There are probably people who really deserve H1B status, but you also have to do what's right for the American people (which is to protect American jobs). So do you get rid of H1B, keep H1B or take the middle road and try to salvage it?
Not an easy problem, and I'm glad it's not my call to make :)
Valce1 1 year ago
@Valce1
I would heavily reform the H1B visa. First, only those who graduated from US universities should be eligible. At least then we could be sure of their qualifications. You'd be surprised how many of the H1Bs coming from India have fraudulent qualifications--forged transcripts, phony work history etc. I'm not as familiar with Chinese H1Bs, but I'm sure fraud is a factor in some of those as well.
doubanjiang 1 year ago
@Valce1
India does have some good universities--the IITs for instance. But I would still require them to obtain a US degree. If for nothing more than making a greater fiscal contribution to our economy. I would also make damn sure the companies pay H1Bs comparable salaries to US workers as they are required to do by law--a lot of companies do not.
doubanjiang 1 year ago
This society is a pile of dog shit. The government systematically destroys the most vulnerable people in society - young students with no money. They are forced into debt by the lies that the government feeds everyone. Fuck you!
tothatextent 1 year ago
@tothatextent lolwut. What are they doing that is so exploitative? :P If you choose to take on loans and choose to study somewhere and then fail to find a job, is that the government's fault or yours? If you were misled, resolve not to be misled again.
I know it's hard to accept personal responsibility for our mistakes, but be brave! :)
Valce1 1 year ago
@Valce1 What are they (the government) doing that is so exploitative? They are bullshitting people from day one when they start going to school (Liberalial indoctrination centers) that your key to success is education. The government damn well knows that only the top 5 % of the population will excel due to education. They make student loans easy to access, change legislation so you can not write off student loans in bankruptcy claims. And, they know clerical type jobs are going offshore.
tothatextent 1 year ago
@tothatextent They're not lying. Education is (for most people) a necessary condition for financial success, but it is not a sufficient condition. Going to school won't automatically make you financially successful.
But yes, there are some people for whom the education system works well and some for whom it doesn't. I'm sorry that it doesn't/didn't work for you. To be harsh, you should honestly evaluate your own limits before you pursue an expensive education.
Valce1 1 year ago
@Valce1 I went to law school and have an MBA, I am as good as it gets. When I was in law school one of the first things the professor told the class, and I do quote : "your success as a lawyer will come down to one thing, your family background. The same families that were rich 200 years ago are the same families that are rich today. On both sides of the Atlanic". Despite knowing this information, the government stll creates the illusion that education = success.
tothatextent 1 year ago
@tothatextent The "I am as good as it gets" attitude is wrong. I doubt you are the greatest person ever, and if (I point out the 'if' -- I know nothing about you as a person) if you didn't succeed as much as you would have liked, you can't blame it all on 'the system.' Yes, the system is flawed. But it is possible to make it. Blaming other people leads to an attitude of 'I am obviously a genius why doesn't the world see that?'
Valce1 1 year ago
@Valce1 I think you are missing the point. The point I am pointing out is based on statistics, it nothing to do with emotion or morals. The sad fact of the matter is that all clerical type jobs (anything thing written, including lawyers and accountants) has been, and will continue to be outsourced - those are the stats. Law school enrollment has increased dramatically while jobs in this field have declined. It has nothing to do with the right attitude or bullshit like that.
tothatextent 1 year ago
@tothatextent If you want to talk facts, you'll need to back them up. I don't believe that America is rapidly outsourcing its lawyers to other countries. I'm pretty sure the American legal profession jealously protects their employment rights. Citation needed.
Basic clerical jobs, sure. Basic tech jobs, sure. But I would suggest that the outsourcing in 'skilled' labour is not as bad as you suggest.
So citations plz. Else we can only argue :P
Valce1 1 year ago
@Valce1 How to think strategically about outsourcing - Harvard Business Review.
tothatextent 1 year ago
@tothatextent Dude, I'm totally not paying $5 to prove a point on the internet. If you've read it, what stats does it cite on lawyers being hired from outside the country? Some states (like New York iirc, isn't that where a lot of big firms practice?) won't even let you take the bar unless you graduated with a JD from a US school...
Valce1 1 year ago
@Valce1 You are missing the point. There will be call centers for legal work. The people in India and China will not be called to the bar, they will just do the grunt work, same thing for accountants and doctors. There are government stats on what I am talking about. Legal jobs accounting jobs and medical jobs are dropping rapidly, yet enrollment is increase in all of these professions. The government is well aware of the deficeit.
tothatextent 1 year ago
@tothatextent
Accounting jobs are not dropping nor will they ever drop. Do your research. The problem isn't the job growth for lawyers it is the number of law school graduates. I know tons of idiots that are going off to tier 2 and lower law schools and taking out 80k+ in debt!
Rockynurse 1 year ago
@Rockynurse Accounting jobs are the next ones on the chopping block. Read Harvard Business Review on the subject retard.
tothatextent 1 year ago