It's not Scotlands fault. How can you blame the release of a terrorist on every single citizen of that country. There's one person you need to blame; a Mr Kenny McAskill, Scottish Justice Minister, who in what must've been a moment of pure insanity, somehow saw a justifiable reason to release abdul baset Ali al-mugrahi. I met him in a cafe and told him exactly what I thought of his poposterous release
i wish the usa would not boycott us scottish people because i would love to go over there and we didnt have a say on the magrahi thing its fucking shit he should die
It is Scottish tradition to be kind and compassionate.
In 1320 Scotland wrote in the Declaration of Arbroath "there is neither weighing nor distinction of Jew and Greek, Scotsman or Englishman". It wasn't until 1948 (628 years later) that the rest of the world agreed that all are equal with the declaration of human rights.
@pluto4847 You didnt realy back up anythin there, u just said we arnt compassionate. the fact that we have a 'released on compassion' law kinda backs up my claim, it means that anyone can make a mistake but if they or someone is dying they can be released because of that 4 a decided time. i agree that this guy shouldnt have been released but the scots didnt have a say in this dicision so why would americans even concider a boycott, anyway it never really hapnend in the end which can only b good
You are right. What does it matter anyway? This might sound rotten to say, but maybe its a good thing all the banks are collapsing.
Ever so often, this world needs a good shakeup to start all over again. Examples are 'The Black Plaugue,' 'Asteroid Impact (Althought that's a little extreme,' Volcanoes,
Maybe Cats will take over as the dominant species when we are all gone.
@Lenin200488: Yes. There are so many sides to this story. The media over here in the USA assumed he was really guilty and portrayed Scotland as being terrible.
We Americans are bad to overreact. At least, stories like this make it seem that way.
Exactly. I never had a problem with the American Government until the day of his release. People are also quick to forget that not long after, he made a statement expressing his sympathies for all victims' families - including Americans and his desire to further pursue his appeal from home. I wish all Americans were more like you.
@Lenin200488 The situation has dramatically changed.
Now we have been hoodwinked into a war with the same guy that this terrorist was released to bribe!
The layers of irony are incredible.
The murderer's crocodile tears of "a statement expressing sympathies" is enough for you? He should be ROTTING IN JAIL. His "terminal cancer" is coming up on TWO YEARS now.
Typical Conservative. All he can muster is petty insults masquerading as debate. It's also clear your not here to debate but rather provoke. Kindly piss off and refrain from creating hassle over a comment from four months ago. Nobody's taking the bait anymore. Now, back in your cage, you're scaring the normals!
A little civility then, perhaps? I never said he was a normal. I made my point earlier. Please feel free to return to it. However I don't wish to waste my time explaining my view again if such person claims to know, as a fact, that he was guilty. An opinion, I fear, that will never be proven.
@Lenin200488 Fair enough, but you strike me as one of many of the other euros out there who will grab at any straw, however thin, to blame any situation on the United States. Even one where US citizens were the vast majority of victims.
Such things sap my civility - big time.
He was found guilty in one of YOUR courts. It seems like you're saying that your own justice system is under influence or tainted in some way.
In that case your anger is justified, however I don't blame the US at all. Just the administration that was in charge at the time, as well as all governments involved. I have utmost sympathy for all who have lost a loved one in this tragedy, including the hundreds of Americans. The Scottish Parliament is especially at fault for going ahead with the conviction. I believe that the trial was rushed in order to satisfy the masses. It has happened before in many countries.
@Lenin200488 What did the Parliament have to do with the conviction? Isn't that the perview of the courts?
And if Kaddaffi is so ruthless with his own people to provoke a UN force resolution against him, then don't you think this indicates his guilt with this bombing? His treatment of his own people should be a signal of his (lack of) character and wickedness.
Not that I wanted this war with Libya, BTW, which is some sort of French wet dream - but that is another issue...
It was an international act of terror. Parliament would have had it's hand in it to assure the rest of the world that it was being taken care of and possibly encouraged the Judges by any means necessary. I abhor Gaddafi as much as anyone, but no, to me that wouldn't indicate guilt for an unrelated crisis. If a murder happened in the same street as a man who beats his wife, would you instantly accuse him? The pacifist in me disagrees with the war while the humanitarian agrees.
@Lenin Considering that there are so many questions about the bomber's "innocence", Kaddaffi's behavior towards his OWN people says he would have no hesitation or compunction whatsoever in ordering the deaths of hundreds of foreigners. From a behavioral standpoint, the two situations are definitely related.
Damning evidence right there. This is far more connected than a "wife beater on the same street as a murder." How about a mass murderer on the same street?
The mass murderer would still be seen as innocent until proven guilty. However, I agree that it would be natural to accuse him/her. Would it then be justified that the mass murderer be automatically convicted, even if the evidence was questionable to begin with? I would say there're more questions concerning his "guilt". But why do we not look at Iran? I think Ahmedinijad would do the same in Gadaffi's position, and they had less to lose.
I'd just like to say that as a Scot, the boycott didn't work very well, because I was rather surprised to learn that it was going on (I don't watch the news much). This indicates to me, as I already suspected, that what Americans do doesn't affect us much at all what with us being such a tiny little country so very far away. I would also like to mention I have absolutely nothing against Americans, every American I have met has been awesome. Thank you.
I'd just like to say that as a Scot, the boycott didn't work very well, because I was rather surprised to learn that it was going on (I don't watch the news much). This indicates to me, as I already suspected, that what Americans do doesn't affect us much at all what with us being such a tiny little country so very far away. I would also like to mention I have absolutely nothing against Americans, every American I have met has been awesome. Thank you.
You english deserve every bit of blame we as a nation place on you seeing how you govern our country and also broadcast our points of view as a whole as the uk's. Lockerbie was a decision made by your "British" govenment to protect your investments with the middle eastern tycoons. Also its Scots NOT Scotts. We blame everything we've ever endured solely on your ignorance and always will as long as retarded fucks like you express your oppinions to the world as gospel of the UK
Be fair mate...the majority (around 80 odd %) of 'Scots' wish to remain apart of the UK so it's not as if we are forcing our will on you guys. You will not have a referendum on it because you know what the outcome would be :) I do agree with you on Lockerbie though...I think both the Scottish and English political elite had the £ sign in their eyes over the decision to let him go. One last thing...why take offence to the double 't'? That just shows your insecurities...
With regards to the real reasons why 'we' let him go...Americans need to realize this....(I just know this aint gonna go down well lol)
Whilst Lockerbie is a very sensitive issue for the families....it is in the whole of the West's interests to bring as much wealth into our economies as possible. Whilst we take a moral position...countries such as China do not and they are slowly grabbing the energy deals by offering the Africans things such as roads/schools etc.
I was just taking the piss mate lol. Alex Samnond likes to blame England for just about all of his problems so I said it was our turn to be able to put the blame on them :0
The trial of Magrahi was and remains to this day a joke. The only thing i will apologise for is that Scots are not as blinkered as most Americans, must be wonderful to live in such a perfect world. However, Scots live within the confines of reality, we know when our Governments are lying to us. I appreciate that the families of the Lockerbie victims are angered by this man's release and the pain this has no doubt caused, however, I will lose no sleep over an American boycott or magahis releas
Holy shit. The first american that i know of with a fucking brain. I dont know one scottish person that didnt want to see this bomber rot in prison. Well done. The worlds first american that has a brain and dosent think that just because they live there that america is perfect. Thank you for giving me hope that not all americans are as thick skulled as some people.
hey am from scotland personally we aint suffering anything from the boycott it hasnt affect the way we live so we just get on with our lifes our laws are decent enough i think what we done wasnt i mistake because it will end up decreasing our chances of being attacked by terrorists in some way as we done something decent i feel as though america has no right to of gotten involved with our business we are friends of the usa but it doesnt give them the right to get involved in my opinion
I'd have to say I agree. What your country does is none of our business and we have no right to tell you what to do...
I don't think too many Americans were actually stupid enough to go along with the boycott, but I got tired of arguing with people so I made this video.
yeah which is fair enough and i appreciate your opinion because your not like the others where they are just looking at it from one point of view if u get me and when i said it had nothing to do with america i wasnt meaning any disrespect to yous just so you know :)
aw thats good am glad u never took any offience here is something for u remember when i said it hasnt effected our way of living in scotland well i bought a metallica dvd and that was getting posted to scotland and i got it 2 days ago lol so i dont think the boycott is working very well lol
I don't think a shipping company would be allowed to discriminate against you for your nationality. Unless the company were participating in the boycott and I highly doubt they'd do that since they're getting your money, haha.
But I'm glad to hear it hasn't affected your way of life. I'd be pissed to hear that it was. We already screwed over Aruba...
Well Americans lost lives on that plane too. Why shouldn't the families have a say in it whether they are Scottish or Americans.?
Both countries were effected so why not work together--not against each other?
Its a shame on both sides. Loved ones have been lost. What can you tell an American woman who can never see her daughter again? Likerwise, I sympathize with the Scottish families effected. *Tears stream down face*
I think you misunderstood. I wasn't talking about the victims' families at all. I was talking about misinformed Americans (and others) who want to boycott Scotland for something the people couldn't have stopped. The people are being blamed, even though they did nothing.
"so why not work together" ... I'd like to see us start doing that. We're allies, after all.
And I'm terribly sorry for your loss. There's nothing I could say that would take away that pain. You have my condolences.
@thatdumbkid We are sorry for electing such idiots, they just lied better than the others, And I would like to point out that various newspaper and TV survays Questioned the Scottish public and nearly everyone of them wanted him to rot in jail usually in the 90% reigon.
@TheLoyalOfficer: Just because a bunch of Scottish Youtubers may agree with his release does not mean the entire country also agrees... When Americans from a particular state say shit on Youtube, do you automatically think that the entire state shares their opinion?
@thatdumbkid Bless you darlin for understanding. It was'nt our decision to release him, personally i'd have let the cunt rott, but i'm glad there are decent americans out there that realise we are not to blame. Bless you for that.
thank u 4 stckin up 4 my country! U rock!
MrScreamGuy 4 months ago
It's not Scotlands fault. How can you blame the release of a terrorist on every single citizen of that country. There's one person you need to blame; a Mr Kenny McAskill, Scottish Justice Minister, who in what must've been a moment of pure insanity, somehow saw a justifiable reason to release abdul baset Ali al-mugrahi. I met him in a cafe and told him exactly what I thought of his poposterous release
JohnMacDonald1 4 months ago
i wish the usa would not boycott us scottish people because i would love to go over there and we didnt have a say on the magrahi thing its fucking shit he should die
GORDON47866 7 months ago
It is Scottish tradition to be kind and compassionate.
In 1320 Scotland wrote in the Declaration of Arbroath "there is neither weighing nor distinction of Jew and Greek, Scotsman or Englishman". It wasn't until 1948 (628 years later) that the rest of the world agreed that all are equal with the declaration of human rights.
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TheChowie 1 year ago
@TheChowie: The rest of us are as wee bit slow. Especially over here in the US...
thatdumbkid 1 year ago
@TheChowie
Really? Since when were the Scottish compassionate? Not when I was over there. So don't be talking bullshit unless you can back it up pal.
pluto4847 4 months ago
@pluto4847 You didnt realy back up anythin there, u just said we arnt compassionate. the fact that we have a 'released on compassion' law kinda backs up my claim, it means that anyone can make a mistake but if they or someone is dying they can be released because of that 4 a decided time. i agree that this guy shouldnt have been released but the scots didnt have a say in this dicision so why would americans even concider a boycott, anyway it never really hapnend in the end which can only b good
TheChowie 4 months ago
@TheChowie
You are right. What does it matter anyway? This might sound rotten to say, but maybe its a good thing all the banks are collapsing.
Ever so often, this world needs a good shakeup to start all over again. Examples are 'The Black Plaugue,' 'Asteroid Impact (Althought that's a little extreme,' Volcanoes,
Maybe Cats will take over as the dominant species when we are all gone.
pluto4847 4 months ago
OJ Simpson (case closed)
KingHotdog 1 year ago
The trial was a joke.
The evidence was circumstantial.
Many family members of the Scottish victims campaigned for his release
The guy was innocent.
End of.
Lenin200488 1 year ago
@Lenin200488: Yes. There are so many sides to this story. The media over here in the USA assumed he was really guilty and portrayed Scotland as being terrible.
We Americans are bad to overreact. At least, stories like this make it seem that way.
thatdumbkid 1 year ago 3
@thatdumbkid
Exactly. I never had a problem with the American Government until the day of his release. People are also quick to forget that not long after, he made a statement expressing his sympathies for all victims' families - including Americans and his desire to further pursue his appeal from home. I wish all Americans were more like you.
Lenin200488 1 year ago
@Lenin200488 Yeah - this from someone called "Lenin".
What a joke. I wonder if the bomber will outlive his master?
TheLoyalOfficer 9 months ago
@TheLoyalOfficer
And what made you crawl back out of the woodwork? What a sad little man you are...
Lenin200488 9 months ago
@Lenin200488 The situation has dramatically changed.
Now we have been hoodwinked into a war with the same guy that this terrorist was released to bribe!
The layers of irony are incredible.
The murderer's crocodile tears of "a statement expressing sympathies" is enough for you? He should be ROTTING IN JAIL. His "terminal cancer" is coming up on TWO YEARS now.
What a disgrace.
TheLoyalOfficer 9 months ago
@TheLoyalOfficer
Yeah, Okay mate. Back in your hole.
Lenin200488 9 months ago
@Lenin200488 Typical Bolshevik - would rather just run me into a gulag than debate.
TheLoyalOfficer 9 months ago
@TheLoyalOfficer
Typical Conservative. All he can muster is petty insults masquerading as debate. It's also clear your not here to debate but rather provoke. Kindly piss off and refrain from creating hassle over a comment from four months ago. Nobody's taking the bait anymore. Now, back in your cage, you're scaring the normals!
Lenin200488 9 months ago
@Lenin200488 I would hardly call Lenin a "normal..."
I am happy to debate any aspect of the case of this mass murderer. You seems to be satisfied that he "expressed sympathy" for his 270 victims.
TheLoyalOfficer 9 months ago
@TheLoyalOfficer
A little civility then, perhaps? I never said he was a normal. I made my point earlier. Please feel free to return to it. However I don't wish to waste my time explaining my view again if such person claims to know, as a fact, that he was guilty. An opinion, I fear, that will never be proven.
Lenin200488 9 months ago
@Lenin200488 Fair enough, but you strike me as one of many of the other euros out there who will grab at any straw, however thin, to blame any situation on the United States. Even one where US citizens were the vast majority of victims.
Such things sap my civility - big time.
He was found guilty in one of YOUR courts. It seems like you're saying that your own justice system is under influence or tainted in some way.
TheLoyalOfficer 9 months ago
@TheLoyalOfficer
In that case your anger is justified, however I don't blame the US at all. Just the administration that was in charge at the time, as well as all governments involved. I have utmost sympathy for all who have lost a loved one in this tragedy, including the hundreds of Americans. The Scottish Parliament is especially at fault for going ahead with the conviction. I believe that the trial was rushed in order to satisfy the masses. It has happened before in many countries.
Lenin200488 9 months ago
@Lenin200488 What did the Parliament have to do with the conviction? Isn't that the perview of the courts?
And if Kaddaffi is so ruthless with his own people to provoke a UN force resolution against him, then don't you think this indicates his guilt with this bombing? His treatment of his own people should be a signal of his (lack of) character and wickedness.
Not that I wanted this war with Libya, BTW, which is some sort of French wet dream - but that is another issue...
TheLoyalOfficer 9 months ago
@TheLoyalOfficer
It was an international act of terror. Parliament would have had it's hand in it to assure the rest of the world that it was being taken care of and possibly encouraged the Judges by any means necessary. I abhor Gaddafi as much as anyone, but no, to me that wouldn't indicate guilt for an unrelated crisis. If a murder happened in the same street as a man who beats his wife, would you instantly accuse him? The pacifist in me disagrees with the war while the humanitarian agrees.
Lenin200488 9 months ago
@Lenin Considering that there are so many questions about the bomber's "innocence", Kaddaffi's behavior towards his OWN people says he would have no hesitation or compunction whatsoever in ordering the deaths of hundreds of foreigners. From a behavioral standpoint, the two situations are definitely related.
Damning evidence right there. This is far more connected than a "wife beater on the same street as a murder." How about a mass murderer on the same street?
TheLoyalOfficer 9 months ago
@TheLoyalOfficer
The mass murderer would still be seen as innocent until proven guilty. However, I agree that it would be natural to accuse him/her. Would it then be justified that the mass murderer be automatically convicted, even if the evidence was questionable to begin with? I would say there're more questions concerning his "guilt". But why do we not look at Iran? I think Ahmedinijad would do the same in Gadaffi's position, and they had less to lose.
Lenin200488 9 months ago
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I'd just like to say that as a Scot, the boycott didn't work very well, because I was rather surprised to learn that it was going on (I don't watch the news much). This indicates to me, as I already suspected, that what Americans do doesn't affect us much at all what with us being such a tiny little country so very far away. I would also like to mention I have absolutely nothing against Americans, every American I have met has been awesome. Thank you.
rosieM91 1 year ago
I'd just like to say that as a Scot, the boycott didn't work very well, because I was rather surprised to learn that it was going on (I don't watch the news much). This indicates to me, as I already suspected, that what Americans do doesn't affect us much at all what with us being such a tiny little country so very far away. I would also like to mention I have absolutely nothing against Americans, every American I have met has been awesome. Thank you.
rosieM91 1 year ago
The Scotts usually blame us English for everything....now it's our turn to blame them! lol
29Gixxer 1 year ago
You english deserve every bit of blame we as a nation place on you seeing how you govern our country and also broadcast our points of view as a whole as the uk's. Lockerbie was a decision made by your "British" govenment to protect your investments with the middle eastern tycoons. Also its Scots NOT Scotts. We blame everything we've ever endured solely on your ignorance and always will as long as retarded fucks like you express your oppinions to the world as gospel of the UK
RapportTattoo 1 year ago
@RapportTattoo
Be fair mate...the majority (around 80 odd %) of 'Scots' wish to remain apart of the UK so it's not as if we are forcing our will on you guys. You will not have a referendum on it because you know what the outcome would be :) I do agree with you on Lockerbie though...I think both the Scottish and English political elite had the £ sign in their eyes over the decision to let him go. One last thing...why take offence to the double 't'? That just shows your insecurities...
29Gixxer 1 year ago
With regards to the real reasons why 'we' let him go...Americans need to realize this....(I just know this aint gonna go down well lol)
Whilst Lockerbie is a very sensitive issue for the families....it is in the whole of the West's interests to bring as much wealth into our economies as possible. Whilst we take a moral position...countries such as China do not and they are slowly grabbing the energy deals by offering the Africans things such as roads/schools etc.
Think deep people...
29Gixxer 1 year ago
@29Gixxer Blame us for what??
weesteven94 1 year ago
@weesteven94
I was just taking the piss mate lol. Alex Samnond likes to blame England for just about all of his problems so I said it was our turn to be able to put the blame on them :0
29Gixxer 1 year ago
@29Gixxer ok
weesteven94 1 year ago
The trial of Magrahi was and remains to this day a joke. The only thing i will apologise for is that Scots are not as blinkered as most Americans, must be wonderful to live in such a perfect world. However, Scots live within the confines of reality, we know when our Governments are lying to us. I appreciate that the families of the Lockerbie victims are angered by this man's release and the pain this has no doubt caused, however, I will lose no sleep over an American boycott or magahis releas
amazon1610 1 year ago
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Iran Air Flight 655,
xanthine123 1 year ago
Holy shit. The first american that i know of with a fucking brain. I dont know one scottish person that didnt want to see this bomber rot in prison. Well done. The worlds first american that has a brain and dosent think that just because they live there that america is perfect. Thank you for giving me hope that not all americans are as thick skulled as some people.
DieUSuperMonkeyFuck 1 year ago
Thedumbkid you are a shning light here bravo and greetings from scotland.
seonidh 2 years ago
Thank you for the comment and I'm glad you appreciated my video. : )
thatdumbkid 2 years ago
hey am from scotland personally we aint suffering anything from the boycott it hasnt affect the way we live so we just get on with our lifes our laws are decent enough i think what we done wasnt i mistake because it will end up decreasing our chances of being attacked by terrorists in some way as we done something decent i feel as though america has no right to of gotten involved with our business we are friends of the usa but it doesnt give them the right to get involved in my opinion
soreheads2k6 2 years ago 2
I'd have to say I agree. What your country does is none of our business and we have no right to tell you what to do...
I don't think too many Americans were actually stupid enough to go along with the boycott, but I got tired of arguing with people so I made this video.
thatdumbkid 2 years ago
yeah which is fair enough and i appreciate your opinion because your not like the others where they are just looking at it from one point of view if u get me and when i said it had nothing to do with america i wasnt meaning any disrespect to yous just so you know :)
soreheads2k6 2 years ago 2
I didn't take any offense. I knew what you meant. : )
thatdumbkid 2 years ago
aw thats good am glad u never took any offience here is something for u remember when i said it hasnt effected our way of living in scotland well i bought a metallica dvd and that was getting posted to scotland and i got it 2 days ago lol so i dont think the boycott is working very well lol
soreheads2k6 2 years ago
I don't think a shipping company would be allowed to discriminate against you for your nationality. Unless the company were participating in the boycott and I highly doubt they'd do that since they're getting your money, haha.
But I'm glad to hear it hasn't affected your way of life. I'd be pissed to hear that it was. We already screwed over Aruba...
thatdumbkid 2 years ago
Well Americans lost lives on that plane too. Why shouldn't the families have a say in it whether they are Scottish or Americans.?
Both countries were effected so why not work together--not against each other?
Its a shame on both sides. Loved ones have been lost. What can you tell an American woman who can never see her daughter again? Likerwise, I sympathize with the Scottish families effected. *Tears stream down face*
pluto4847 1 year ago
I think you misunderstood. I wasn't talking about the victims' families at all. I was talking about misinformed Americans (and others) who want to boycott Scotland for something the people couldn't have stopped. The people are being blamed, even though they did nothing.
"so why not work together" ... I'd like to see us start doing that. We're allies, after all.
And I'm terribly sorry for your loss. There's nothing I could say that would take away that pain. You have my condolences.
thatdumbkid 1 year ago 2
@thatdumbkid We are sorry for electing such idiots, they just lied better than the others, And I would like to point out that various newspaper and TV survays Questioned the Scottish public and nearly everyone of them wanted him to rot in jail usually in the 90% reigon.
cpotti23 1 year ago
@cpotti23 That's not what most of the comments by Scots say on YouTube. Most are PROUD of this disgraceful travesty.
TheLoyalOfficer 1 year ago
@TheLoyalOfficer: Just because a bunch of Scottish Youtubers may agree with his release does not mean the entire country also agrees... When Americans from a particular state say shit on Youtube, do you automatically think that the entire state shares their opinion?
thatdumbkid 1 year ago
@thatdumbkid Hey - I will say this for the first time around here:
I hope you are right and I am wrong.
TheLoyalOfficer 1 year ago
@thatdumbkid Bless you darlin for understanding. It was'nt our decision to release him, personally i'd have let the cunt rott, but i'm glad there are decent americans out there that realise we are not to blame. Bless you for that.
Truetomyself100 1 year ago
@thatdumbkid You seem to have your head screwed on a bit better than most of your compatriots, and for this I salute you.
Flynch23 1 year ago
@thatdumbkid ill speak for the hole of scotland here, the kid is exactly right
landroverdisco100 1 year ago
@TheLoyalOfficer Travesty? One word...VIETNAM.
Flynch23 1 year ago
@Flynch23 One word about Vietnam: FRENCH
TheLoyalOfficer 1 year ago
you have a very mature attitude but you need to edit videos better!! lol
kly45 2 years ago
Haha, thanks. It was my first (and currently only) video like this, I'll try to a better editing job next time. : )
thatdumbkid 2 years ago
Thankyou for this video, you have a different perspective from all the other people I have spoken to on this subject.
sadscully 2 years ago 2