This is just complete apologetics. Nothing is mentioned about the British Paratroops at Bloody Sunday, or the fact that Catholics had been deprived of the right to vote and faced every kind of discrimination imaginable prior to the Troubles. The Scotch protestants were an imported ruling class and wanted to keep their privileges. It's just the same in the US. Sure, Klansmen felt that their communities were under attack...because they were violent fascist biggots, just like the Ulster Unionists.
This is just complete apologetics. Nothing is mentioned about the British Paratroops at Bloody Sunday, or the fact that Catholics had been deprived of the right to vote and faced every kind of discrimination imaginable prior to the Troubles. The Scotch protestants were an imported ruling class and wanted to keep their privileges. It's just the same in the US. Sure, Klansmen felt that their communities were under attack...because they were violent fascist biggots, just like the Ulster Unionists.
@kingjohntheman A bit of hypocrisy in your statement. Ulster Unionsts cannot and should not be declared facist bigots. That in itself is a bigoted way of thinking. Also, a bit rich from an American considering America are responsible for funding terrorism in Ireland and also the worst terrorist actions of all time in the nuclear bombings of Japan.
@dckkingsmill A bit wrong on that point. America was attacked on Dec. 7th, 1941 so they retaliated. You can hardly call that a "terrorist action". In THAT case, America had every right to retaliate. Wars have lost all nobility and honor because PEOPLE have lost nobility and honor. The days where men met on battlefields and fought it out instead of bombing civilians like pussies are long since over, I suppose. Case in point: IRA, UVF, UDA, UFF, etc. God rest all those lost from ALL war.
@dckkingsmill Just wanted to note that I DO think atomic bombs were not the appropriate course of retaliation and I think you will find most Americans agree, but I think the assumption that America promotes terrorism is ludicrous.
@fenderchick1977 "America had every right to retaliate" - An eye for an eye will make us all blind. American citizens are responsible for funding terrorism in Ireland and sheltering mass murderers from Ireland. It is a fact.
Speaking of hunger strikes; does anyone remember the great Loyalist hunger strike? You know, the one where they were supposed to starve themselves to death for Ulster but were actually eating the whole time.
Northern Ireland is one fucked up place. I like James's idea in that these people should be let loose on themselves instead they are such pussy's they killed innocent men women and children. These organizations barely went at each other. Fucking pathetic.
well once again it was your country that was supplying the ira with the materials used to provoke loyalists into killing people,so i think you should keep your mouth shut
actually america was supplying the ira with weapons,not the US goverment but the people were sending ira weapons,like theres a video on here of a ira weapons induction,and the weapon they are studdying is the AR15 the american made civilian M16 that proves americans had some part in supplying the ira.
@rangers11000 The people really. Were done here. Those couldn't be stolen and of course there are arms dealers all over the world, but to blame all of the American people for info that I feel isn't true in sending weapons over there is absolutely ridiculous. To say America as a whole was supporting this is some way to place blame on us once again and I won't hear of it. Blame the ones who were fighting and not a country that had nothing to do with it.
how could you not have heard of this,i think you should look it up if you dont believe me,because its a well known fact,its also known that america is full of plastic paddys who have close links to ireland,seriousily im not lying look it up.
Loyalists and IRA did nothing good for the people of ireland all they did was kill peoples kids and partners and parents their a sick bunch of murderers that decided to group together.
I would love the UVF, the UVD, the IRA, the RIRA and all such fuckers to be rounded up, put in a secluded room, and be let loose to butcher each other and leave the decent folks in Ulster to go on with their lives in peace. The same fuckers who aroused and exploited the fears of the two communities for years for their own political ends are now talking of peace!!!! Dear me....
catholics welcomed brits at the start here becuz loyist terrorist were killin innocent ppl but wen the brits thought they cud jus stay 4 aslong as thay wanted dats wen it changed.... the i.r.a in the l8 70s 80s and 90s were considered as the best and most effactive gorilla war fare fightin force in the world.... and ofcorse they killed innocent ppl.. it sad but it does happen in every war.
the ra target was the brits if it had of been jus loyalist belive me it wudnt hav last 30 years.. i.r.a
loyalists are by far more intelugent than republicans, loyalists fought agenst the full force of the ira and never surrendered thay were able to hit the nationalists where it really hurt. loyalists have more sence of history and military stratagy, republicans planted bombs at war memorials and shopping centers like the cowards thay are. i do a degree in irish studies and politics and if any one wants a debate im more than happy.
You are obviously full of shit. Loyalists did nothing but kill innocent Catholics for being catholic. They didnt fight the Ira they could never infiltrate them without the help of the RUC special branch. There is a video on my profile it shows they only ever killed 26 ira men
no im not full of shit u may dissagree with me but at least put ur point accros better than that, the loyalist orginisations killed a lot of inocent catholics but unfortunitly it was the stratagey of a few men to attack what they seen as the ira support hoping the comunity the ira came from would put pressure on them to stop. but no worse than the enniskillen bomb or the shankil bomb, that does not excuse it but does explane it a bit. all terrorism is wrong
The strategy of a few men??? All together loyalists killed 685 people 558 of which were civilians only 23 were republicians. As i said before all they did was murder inocent people. It only with the invention of the internet that people can now realise the truth. Nothing but thugs drugdealers and sectarian murderers
or maybe thay were people drive to it after seeing republicans blow up pensioners at war memorials like enniskillen or kill ckildren like the shinkill bomb, lets face it both sides did wrong there is no excuse for murder its just i cant stand to hear republicans try to re-write history and make out the ira never killed inocent people like jean mcconvil for example.
hahaha You believe your own propaganda bullshit thats hilarious. Ive said it once and il say it again "THE IRA ONLY EVER CARRYED OUT RETALIATION ASSASSINATIONS ON PRODS FOR THE COUNTLSS AMOUNT OF MURDERS BY CATHOLICS FOR BEING CATHOLIC". you can look it up but you wont find one time that wasnt the case.
Shankill was a retaliation it and its a known loyalists area, enniskillen wasnt even organized by the army counsel IRA solders took it upon themselves as a Separate cell no excuse for that in it self but is not the responsibility of the organization as a whole. Jean mc conville was an informer and everybody knows it. Why the fuck would you interrogate some random person you were going to kill. She was passing information on republicans through a transceiver radio.
your a sick guy you really need to get an education instead of sitting on a computer all day. gean mcconville was not an informer if you knew anything about the ira you would realise that they admited she was a innocent. the reason she was killed was because she heald a soldier in her arms as he lay dieing after being shot by an ira sniper, what a crime. dont try and wash your hands of enniskillen, it doesnt matter if the army councel orginised it or not they were ira men
stop spreading your propaganda bullshit. You cant convince somebody like me that knows the facts and sticks to them. The IRA never admited to her being innocent you prick. To this day they stand by that she was an informer using a transceiver radio to geve information on republican activitys. The sniper thing was a cover up so shut the fuck up its crap and you know it.
Stop trying to justify obvious sheer bloody murderers. Thats all they ever did. Murder innocent people. The whole troubles that was there campaign. MURDER
and the ira did kill inocent people, they killed more catholics than the army and loyalists put together there terrorist campagne was just bloody murder most of the ira members didnt even know why they were fighting. for example it was catholics who asked the british army to come to belfast and thay went out to giver them tea and food then the ira threatend there own people thay would be shot if thay continued to do this as it undermined there propaganda.
I know the Ira killed innocent people but they didnt fuck target them like loyalists. The oly time they did was in retaliation for the countless murders of innocent Catholics. That is a load of bullshit the IRA never threaten there own people they are the people you prick. The british army changed its attitude completely and became much more aggressive and forceful. That is when the IRA seen that they wernt there to help at all they were there to protect the interests of the british government.
Actually acording to the cain project used for the official death tool of the troubles loyalists killed 865 people 558 of which were innocent civilians mostly Catholics because of their religion. All loyalists put together only ever killed 23 republicans and that was with the help of state collusion.
Thats because the IRA ran across the border after operations, most of their operations wer launched from the republic side of the border so it was difficult for the loyalists/police/army to get them. I dont blame the IRA for using this tactic, it was war and you have to use any means neccessary to win but it did give them a great advantage
Simply not true, there were many operations all over the north. Belfast and Free Derry were two of the main areas. Of course there was south Armagh too. Loyalists could never infiltrate the IRA without the help of special branch RUC and even they had a hard time doing it.
So ur saying that the border did nothing to help the IRA at all, tell me who the most successful brigade in the IRA were.
I know they carried out attacks in the cities but most of their operations came around the border areas, the borders had all the permanent checkpoints etc which sometimes became prime targets for bombers and the odd shot from a rifle, I wasnt far away from the checkpoint at coshquin the nite they tied a man to his van seat and forced him to drive a bomb into it.
Obviously it did i never said it didnt, Provisional IRA South Armagh Brigade . Their sniper and road side bombing campaigns were militarily very effective and superior to the defensive capability's of the british army apart from airlifts.
Well thats the point I was making, the border was a great advantage, I would love to have such an advantage at my disposal if I was fighting an armed campaign, it hinders and frustrates your enemy when they can just move so far but u can go wherever u want. The Armagh sniper fired shots from both sides of the border during his campaign, its one thing to locate a sniper at the best of times but when you arent allowed to go looking for him its quite another thing.
And if u are taliking about the Derry brigade of the IRA, sure the areas of Derry wer they wer active were about 1 mile from the border, I should know I live here.
Well your right they wouldnt have bounced over the border everytime, some of the time they would have layed low for a few days in a safehouse and then got over the border to safety or to prepare for another attack. Wearing balaclavas isnt gonna stop bullets from hitting ye, given the choice Id take the option of the border wher the British patrols had to simply let me go ahead without being able to give chase.
True it is right enough. You may enjoy it while it lasts but because the UK is crumbling and there is absolutly nothing you or anybody else can do about it!! lol
The birth rate has leveled out, and who's to say that just because someone is born a Catholic, means they will be a nationalist. So many Catholics are employed in the public sector anyway (they lose their jobs in the event of a united Ireland) and a whole new generation of Catholics 'feels Northern Irish'. Culturally and politically, a united Ireland has never been so far off.
lol There is a massive RIRA resurgence if you havent heard. Have you read the RIRAs new year statement. They are prepared for a long war. M15 consider republicans as a bigger threat to britain now than Muslim extremists. One way or another we will be free.
british agent provoceteurs were well involved in stoking the tensions.just as in iraq there were sas men dressed as sunni shooting shiite and caught doing it so were sas men going round shooting both protestants and catholics to keep tensions stoked and of course the dublin monaghon bombings were courtesy of the same
please don't make stupid comments regarding things that you obviously havent a clue about ie. sas and british forces. This series and others, have displayed the ignorance of the 'loyalists' and the better discipline, intellect and planning of the nationalists. if you are a 'taig' then youre doing your people a diservice by displaying your own ignorance.
are you sure you are replying to the correct comment there mr aberdream.
stupid uninformed comments eh?
would you care to enlarge on that?
just what part of my comments were stupid?
by virtue of the fact i am watching this and other series and have read all his books and many others including the tedious and gruesome true history of the IRA.and many books on the SAS.see zeitgeist for proof of their undercover actions in iraq.
time about these issues and more if you care and doesn't it seem obvious by this series that indeed uneducated working class loyalists were sent out into the fray with their guns filled with hatred and fear by provocative men of "god" who led them down the path to their own destruction and prison time.the IRA was able to call upon a huge Irish/american population in the states for funds and god knows what else.
call me a taig if ya like but i am of the opinion that if paisley had recognised the civil rights movement for what it was and lets remember it was happening all over the world it could have been a different story.and i have no doubt in my mind that
so dats the reply for killin the queens cousin and 18 armed trained soldiers lets kill an innocent man infront of his children typical loyalists there is a code to war and matthews 1986 the ira never set out to kill innocents. loyalist murder gangs openly admit they do it.. IRA = soldiers uvf uda lff lvf = murders
For those lambasting Spence for the murder of the catholic barman- what of the IRA bomb in the furniture store on the shankill and the innocent babies caught in the blast? For every loyalist atrocity we can read a republican one (and visa versa): the sooner people realise that the better.....
I'm now very disturbed indeed. How could anyone ever support the actions of the Shankill Butchers? Doing so is absolutely unjustifiable. And I agree utterly with Strabbs, why can't we just move forward and leave these miserable remnants behind. I suppose before we can do so, we need both sides of the community to show remorse.
lads iam just glad its all over and i hope the peace lasts, there are people alive now, catholic, prods, and brits, who wouldnt be if it wasnt for compromise and efforts of all partys.for ireland and peaces sake, lets try to move forard
When all is said and done, Ulster is still British. The peace that exists now is because the loyalists were ultimately successful in protecting their community. The IRA realised they could never win.
Most of the loyalist paramilitaries really were just reactionary thugs. They may of had a noble objective at one point to defend their community but in the midst of the troubles i think they became overrun with the sort who were desperate to show they could kill and bomb as much as the IRA. In retrospect they were just very sloppy and unorganised.
Explain to me how that action protected his community it was noting else but a sectarian hate crime. Im sure he must have had a lot of sleepless nights in prison thinking what he killed that innocent man for i expect thats why he became disillusioned with the uvf and left even taking a interest in Irish history and going on to learn his native tongue Irish.
Its called freedom of religion your talking out your ass solider i don,t forget the innocent protestants at all may they R.I.P. but the fact is that the protestant community have carried out vastly more sectarian murders stemming from the twisted ideology of the orange order which was set up to divide the
Booby Sands, a true Irish Patriot. Tiocfaidh ár lá.
TheDavidG54 6 months ago
i said what old boy
hadwll 6 months ago
Aye dead on gamer we won
treacle1690 6 months ago
see all the faces of these former uvf prisioners there all dead
FIntyMAcC10 11 months ago
@TheDarrenm What if we put ketchup on it? Would he still refuse it?
dckkingsmill 1 year ago
fuckin hell,you have to feel sorry for the morrisey boy,shankhill butchers are taking it a bit far.thats fucked up.
garethella 1 year ago
This is just complete apologetics. Nothing is mentioned about the British Paratroops at Bloody Sunday, or the fact that Catholics had been deprived of the right to vote and faced every kind of discrimination imaginable prior to the Troubles. The Scotch protestants were an imported ruling class and wanted to keep their privileges. It's just the same in the US. Sure, Klansmen felt that their communities were under attack...because they were violent fascist biggots, just like the Ulster Unionists.
kingjohntheman 1 year ago
@kingjohntheman Thats dealt with in the Provo's and Brits programs of the same series. Its not directly linked to loyalism
zoso7889 1 year ago
@kingjohntheman The stuff you mentioned was covered in the previous series 'Provos'. It's on youtube too.
ZZKe7 1 year ago
This is just complete apologetics. Nothing is mentioned about the British Paratroops at Bloody Sunday, or the fact that Catholics had been deprived of the right to vote and faced every kind of discrimination imaginable prior to the Troubles. The Scotch protestants were an imported ruling class and wanted to keep their privileges. It's just the same in the US. Sure, Klansmen felt that their communities were under attack...because they were violent fascist biggots, just like the Ulster Unionists.
kingjohntheman 1 year ago
@kingjohntheman A bit of hypocrisy in your statement. Ulster Unionsts cannot and should not be declared facist bigots. That in itself is a bigoted way of thinking. Also, a bit rich from an American considering America are responsible for funding terrorism in Ireland and also the worst terrorist actions of all time in the nuclear bombings of Japan.
dckkingsmill 1 year ago
@dckkingsmill A bit wrong on that point. America was attacked on Dec. 7th, 1941 so they retaliated. You can hardly call that a "terrorist action". In THAT case, America had every right to retaliate. Wars have lost all nobility and honor because PEOPLE have lost nobility and honor. The days where men met on battlefields and fought it out instead of bombing civilians like pussies are long since over, I suppose. Case in point: IRA, UVF, UDA, UFF, etc. God rest all those lost from ALL war.
fenderchick1977 1 year ago
@dckkingsmill Just wanted to note that I DO think atomic bombs were not the appropriate course of retaliation and I think you will find most Americans agree, but I think the assumption that America promotes terrorism is ludicrous.
fenderchick1977 1 year ago
@fenderchick1977 "America had every right to retaliate" - An eye for an eye will make us all blind. American citizens are responsible for funding terrorism in Ireland and sheltering mass murderers from Ireland. It is a fact.
dckkingsmill 1 year ago
Billy Giles is the only one who really truely shows guilt throughout this.
Shagrat65 1 year ago 12
@Shagrat65 I think Irvine in the earlier clips also show guilt for his guilt as well. I feel bad for both sides who are forced into a war. Bad times.
goerinbragh 1 year ago
@goerinbragh: Irvine also. Sad to hear he died a few years back
Shagrat65 1 year ago 2
@Shagrat65 Why should any of them feel guilt?
MsTheFonz 1 year ago
@MsTheFonz : Why do you think?
Shagrat65 1 year ago
Speaking of hunger strikes; does anyone remember the great Loyalist hunger strike? You know, the one where they were supposed to starve themselves to death for Ulster but were actually eating the whole time.
Now that's committment for you lol...
eezysqueezy 1 year ago
UP THE I.R.A
belfast1990 2 years ago
lol wanker
BritishWarLord 2 years ago
would you like to try a cheeseburger bobby sands
rangers11000 2 years ago
that prick taylor. "we've been in ulster for 300 years" the people living their as part of ireland have been for fuckin thousands of years!!
MrHankscorpio100 2 years ago
thousands?
rangers11000 2 years ago
Northern Ireland is one fucked up place. I like James's idea in that these people should be let loose on themselves instead they are such pussy's they killed innocent men women and children. These organizations barely went at each other. Fucking pathetic.
Hauler24 2 years ago
well once again it was your country that was supplying the ira with the materials used to provoke loyalists into killing people,so i think you should keep your mouth shut
rangers11000 2 years ago
Not really. Its nice to try and blame others for others mistakes. We were in no way supplying shit to anyone.
Hauler24 2 years ago
actually america was supplying the ira with weapons,not the US goverment but the people were sending ira weapons,like theres a video on here of a ira weapons induction,and the weapon they are studdying is the AR15 the american made civilian M16 that proves americans had some part in supplying the ira.
rangers11000 2 years ago 9
@rangers11000 The people really. Were done here. Those couldn't be stolen and of course there are arms dealers all over the world, but to blame all of the American people for info that I feel isn't true in sending weapons over there is absolutely ridiculous. To say America as a whole was supporting this is some way to place blame on us once again and I won't hear of it. Blame the ones who were fighting and not a country that had nothing to do with it.
Hauler24 2 years ago
how could you not have heard of this,i think you should look it up if you dont believe me,because its a well known fact,its also known that america is full of plastic paddys who have close links to ireland,seriousily im not lying look it up.
rangers11000 2 years ago
@rangers11000 U.S. citizens sent a lot of money & arsenals of weapons to the I.R.A. This is a fact.
GENERALJOHNNYREBEL 1 month ago
Long live our beautiful ulster
sonsofcarson 2 years ago
Loyalists and IRA did nothing good for the people of ireland all they did was kill peoples kids and partners and parents their a sick bunch of murderers that decided to group together.
NielsShoe 2 years ago 4
I would love the UVF, the UVD, the IRA, the RIRA and all such fuckers to be rounded up, put in a secluded room, and be let loose to butcher each other and leave the decent folks in Ulster to go on with their lives in peace. The same fuckers who aroused and exploited the fears of the two communities for years for their own political ends are now talking of peace!!!! Dear me....
jamesjoyce77 2 years ago 4
Fuck Bobby Sands, the skinny shit-covered terrorist scumbag!
Can't believe they made another movie about that loser.
GSTQ
ProfessorxVile 2 years ago
wood u like a bacon sandwitch bobby sands because ur gettin fuck all u ira sums fuck the ira :)
squirt1690 2 years ago
up the fuckin ra
ChopperM16 2 years ago
fuck off taig NO SURRENDER
FamousCFC66 2 years ago
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Whose got the fuckin guns now ya loyalist scum. Not a bullet
Not an ounce
Continuity C.I.R.A - R.I.R.A
IrishCitizenArmy 2 years ago
your pipe is not lit, why put it in your mouth?
calicolombiano82 2 years ago
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Fuck Bobby Sands The Dirty Bastards Had Their Shit All Over The Walls Etc.
Dirty Fenian Fuckers
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YGX1JIH 3 years ago
RIP Billy Giles.
karacatus2000 3 years ago
Right enough, Ireland is doing well out of the credit crunch ha ha ha ha ha
GH169 3 years ago
2016!!
remedy63 3 years ago
catholics welcomed brits at the start here becuz loyist terrorist were killin innocent ppl but wen the brits thought they cud jus stay 4 aslong as thay wanted dats wen it changed.... the i.r.a in the l8 70s 80s and 90s were considered as the best and most effactive gorilla war fare fightin force in the world.... and ofcorse they killed innocent ppl.. it sad but it does happen in every war.
the ra target was the brits if it had of been jus loyalist belive me it wudnt hav last 30 years.. i.r.a
lovejoydaboy 3 years ago
a man got life 4 the relation of the queen's cousin.where their metal 4 the crown
D5C0TT 3 years ago
loyalists are by far more intelugent than republicans, loyalists fought agenst the full force of the ira and never surrendered thay were able to hit the nationalists where it really hurt. loyalists have more sence of history and military stratagy, republicans planted bombs at war memorials and shopping centers like the cowards thay are. i do a degree in irish studies and politics and if any one wants a debate im more than happy.
tate247 3 years ago
You are obviously full of shit. Loyalists did nothing but kill innocent Catholics for being catholic. They didnt fight the Ira they could never infiltrate them without the help of the RUC special branch. There is a video on my profile it shows they only ever killed 26 ira men
remedy63 3 years ago
no im not full of shit u may dissagree with me but at least put ur point accros better than that, the loyalist orginisations killed a lot of inocent catholics but unfortunitly it was the stratagey of a few men to attack what they seen as the ira support hoping the comunity the ira came from would put pressure on them to stop. but no worse than the enniskillen bomb or the shankil bomb, that does not excuse it but does explane it a bit. all terrorism is wrong
tate247 3 years ago
The strategy of a few men??? All together loyalists killed 685 people 558 of which were civilians only 23 were republicians. As i said before all they did was murder inocent people. It only with the invention of the internet that people can now realise the truth. Nothing but thugs drugdealers and sectarian murderers
remedy63 3 years ago
or maybe thay were people drive to it after seeing republicans blow up pensioners at war memorials like enniskillen or kill ckildren like the shinkill bomb, lets face it both sides did wrong there is no excuse for murder its just i cant stand to hear republicans try to re-write history and make out the ira never killed inocent people like jean mcconvil for example.
tate247 3 years ago
hahaha You believe your own propaganda bullshit thats hilarious. Ive said it once and il say it again "THE IRA ONLY EVER CARRYED OUT RETALIATION ASSASSINATIONS ON PRODS FOR THE COUNTLSS AMOUNT OF MURDERS BY CATHOLICS FOR BEING CATHOLIC". you can look it up but you wont find one time that wasnt the case.
remedy63 3 years ago
Shankill was a retaliation it and its a known loyalists area, enniskillen wasnt even organized by the army counsel IRA solders took it upon themselves as a Separate cell no excuse for that in it self but is not the responsibility of the organization as a whole. Jean mc conville was an informer and everybody knows it. Why the fuck would you interrogate some random person you were going to kill. She was passing information on republicans through a transceiver radio.
remedy63 3 years ago
your a sick guy you really need to get an education instead of sitting on a computer all day. gean mcconville was not an informer if you knew anything about the ira you would realise that they admited she was a innocent. the reason she was killed was because she heald a soldier in her arms as he lay dieing after being shot by an ira sniper, what a crime. dont try and wash your hands of enniskillen, it doesnt matter if the army councel orginised it or not they were ira men
tate247 3 years ago
stop spreading your propaganda bullshit. You cant convince somebody like me that knows the facts and sticks to them. The IRA never admited to her being innocent you prick. To this day they stand by that she was an informer using a transceiver radio to geve information on republican activitys. The sniper thing was a cover up so shut the fuck up its crap and you know it.
remedy63 3 years ago
Stop trying to justify obvious sheer bloody murderers. Thats all they ever did. Murder innocent people. The whole troubles that was there campaign. MURDER
remedy63 3 years ago
and the ira did kill inocent people, they killed more catholics than the army and loyalists put together there terrorist campagne was just bloody murder most of the ira members didnt even know why they were fighting. for example it was catholics who asked the british army to come to belfast and thay went out to giver them tea and food then the ira threatend there own people thay would be shot if thay continued to do this as it undermined there propaganda.
tate247 3 years ago
I know the Ira killed innocent people but they didnt fuck target them like loyalists. The oly time they did was in retaliation for the countless murders of innocent Catholics. That is a load of bullshit the IRA never threaten there own people they are the people you prick. The british army changed its attitude completely and became much more aggressive and forceful. That is when the IRA seen that they wernt there to help at all they were there to protect the interests of the british government.
remedy63 3 years ago
All together loyalists killed 685 people 558 of which were civilians only 23 were republicans. No amount of bullshit can disguise the facts
remedy63 3 years ago
it says in the beginning of this documentary that they killed nearly 1000
skippyisirish32 3 years ago
Actually acording to the cain project used for the official death tool of the troubles loyalists killed 865 people 558 of which were innocent civilians mostly Catholics because of their religion. All loyalists put together only ever killed 23 republicans and that was with the help of state collusion.
remedy63 3 years ago
Thats because the IRA ran across the border after operations, most of their operations wer launched from the republic side of the border so it was difficult for the loyalists/police/army to get them. I dont blame the IRA for using this tactic, it was war and you have to use any means neccessary to win but it did give them a great advantage
NEXIUM500MG 3 years ago
Simply not true, there were many operations all over the north. Belfast and Free Derry were two of the main areas. Of course there was south Armagh too. Loyalists could never infiltrate the IRA without the help of special branch RUC and even they had a hard time doing it.
remedy63 3 years ago
So ur saying that the border did nothing to help the IRA at all, tell me who the most successful brigade in the IRA were.
I know they carried out attacks in the cities but most of their operations came around the border areas, the borders had all the permanent checkpoints etc which sometimes became prime targets for bombers and the odd shot from a rifle, I wasnt far away from the checkpoint at coshquin the nite they tied a man to his van seat and forced him to drive a bomb into it.
NEXIUM500MG 3 years ago
Obviously it did i never said it didnt, Provisional IRA South Armagh Brigade . Their sniper and road side bombing campaigns were militarily very effective and superior to the defensive capability's of the british army apart from airlifts.
remedy63 3 years ago
Well thats the point I was making, the border was a great advantage, I would love to have such an advantage at my disposal if I was fighting an armed campaign, it hinders and frustrates your enemy when they can just move so far but u can go wherever u want. The Armagh sniper fired shots from both sides of the border during his campaign, its one thing to locate a sniper at the best of times but when you arent allowed to go looking for him its quite another thing.
NEXIUM500MG 3 years ago
lol It would piss ya off big time like. Then again the garda on the other side were no help ether the free state traitor bastards.
remedy63 3 years ago
And if u are taliking about the Derry brigade of the IRA, sure the areas of Derry wer they wer active were about 1 mile from the border, I should know I live here.
NEXIUM500MG 3 years ago
Still i cant see them bouncing over the boarder after an operation every time. No need for it really they do wear balaclavas like.
remedy63 3 years ago
Well your right they wouldnt have bounced over the border everytime, some of the time they would have layed low for a few days in a safehouse and then got over the border to safety or to prepare for another attack. Wearing balaclavas isnt gonna stop bullets from hitting ye, given the choice Id take the option of the border wher the British patrols had to simply let me go ahead without being able to give chase.
NEXIUM500MG 3 years ago
Your fool of shite AGAIN ha ha ha
GH169 3 years ago
What are you talking about?? I stick with facts. Go hang yourself.
remedy63 3 years ago
Northern Ireland is a FACT ha ha ha ha ha
GH169 3 years ago
Not for much longer. Just you remember you live on the Island of Ireland not britain. That should help you ease into a united Ireland.
remedy63 3 years ago
HA. How much longer??? 1 Island 2 countries FACT.
GH169 3 years ago
About 10 years
26 +6 = 1
remedy63 3 years ago
Just 10?? Who told ya that gerry ha ha ha
GH169 3 years ago
mate you have no idea
remedy63 3 years ago
And you do ha ha ha ha 2009 Northern Ireland British Rule a real FACT.
GH169 3 years ago
True it is right enough. You may enjoy it while it lasts but because the UK is crumbling and there is absolutly nothing you or anybody else can do about it!! lol
Free scotland, 2010
Free Ireland 20016
remedy63 3 years ago 3
Southern politicians have dropped the idea.
SF is a joke in the south.
All the IRA's guns are buried, loyalists still have theirs.
SF are sitting in British institutions, passing British laws on limited powers which will stop themtrying anything constitutionally.
10 percent of SF voters and 30 percent of SDLP voters were recently revealed to be Unionists.
LiverpoolLoyal1690 3 years ago
The birth rate has leveled out, and who's to say that just because someone is born a Catholic, means they will be a nationalist. So many Catholics are employed in the public sector anyway (they lose their jobs in the event of a united Ireland) and a whole new generation of Catholics 'feels Northern Irish'. Culturally and politically, a united Ireland has never been so far off.
LiverpoolLoyal1690 3 years ago
Well said m8
GH169 2 years ago
lol There is a massive RIRA resurgence if you havent heard. Have you read the RIRAs new year statement. They are prepared for a long war. M15 consider republicans as a bigger threat to britain now than Muslim extremists. One way or another we will be free.
remedy63 3 years ago
Do u know if the IRA Killed more innocent than the Loyalists?
davidronaldp 3 years ago
the ra scoured the world looking for surface to air missiles during the war...the loyalists scoured belfast looking for knives...
thebunnyman67 3 years ago
british agent provoceteurs were well involved in stoking the tensions.just as in iraq there were sas men dressed as sunni shooting shiite and caught doing it so were sas men going round shooting both protestants and catholics to keep tensions stoked and of course the dublin monaghon bombings were courtesy of the same
bossyhannon 3 years ago
please don't make stupid comments regarding things that you obviously havent a clue about ie. sas and british forces. This series and others, have displayed the ignorance of the 'loyalists' and the better discipline, intellect and planning of the nationalists. if you are a 'taig' then youre doing your people a diservice by displaying your own ignorance.
aberdream 3 years ago
are you sure you are replying to the correct comment there mr aberdream.
stupid uninformed comments eh?
would you care to enlarge on that?
just what part of my comments were stupid?
by virtue of the fact i am watching this and other series and have read all his books and many others including the tedious and gruesome true history of the IRA.and many books on the SAS.see zeitgeist for proof of their undercover actions in iraq.
hell i could debate you for a long
bossyhannon 3 years ago
time about these issues and more if you care and doesn't it seem obvious by this series that indeed uneducated working class loyalists were sent out into the fray with their guns filled with hatred and fear by provocative men of "god" who led them down the path to their own destruction and prison time.the IRA was able to call upon a huge Irish/american population in the states for funds and god knows what else.
bossyhannon 3 years ago
i certainly take no pride in Da 'RA being a superior force..and as for calling myself a taig.
get a sense of humour!
bossyhannon 3 years ago
shit, you seem to have read a lot of books, i feel so stupid now! i am such a dumb ass!
aberdream 3 years ago
You're humility is most touching.
and mindful Gusty spence's "abject and true remorse"
i accept.
and recommend a visit to a "library" where can be found paper things with writing on them
"books"
some even have pictures!!!!!
bossyhannon 3 years ago
call me a taig if ya like but i am of the opinion that if paisley had recognised the civil rights movement for what it was and lets remember it was happening all over the world it could have been a different story.and i have no doubt in my mind that
bossyhannon 3 years ago
thomas mcdonald was not "peacefully" riding his bike when killed he was throwing a brick at a travelling car he knew was owned by a catholic!
this is fact
LIMFRILL 3 years ago
so dats the reply for killin the queens cousin and 18 armed trained soldiers lets kill an innocent man infront of his children typical loyalists there is a code to war and matthews 1986 the ira never set out to kill innocents. loyalist murder gangs openly admit they do it.. IRA = soldiers uvf uda lff lvf = murders
thugsouljaa 3 years ago
Whya would jesus think about the 'Reverand' paisley's rhetoric i wonder ?
ImAsMadAsHell 3 years ago
For those lambasting Spence for the murder of the catholic barman- what of the IRA bomb in the furniture store on the shankill and the innocent babies caught in the blast? For every loyalist atrocity we can read a republican one (and visa versa): the sooner people realise that the better.....
nmatthews1986 3 years ago
your point is irrelevant
allybelge 3 years ago
I'm now very disturbed indeed. How could anyone ever support the actions of the Shankill Butchers? Doing so is absolutely unjustifiable. And I agree utterly with Strabbs, why can't we just move forward and leave these miserable remnants behind. I suppose before we can do so, we need both sides of the community to show remorse.
BeholdZeus 3 years ago
Behold - How many episodes of this are there?
dowling1981 3 years ago
Three on Loyalists, Four on the Provos, and Three on the Brits, ergo there are 10 episodes in total.
BeholdZeus 3 years ago
lads iam just glad its all over and i hope the peace lasts, there are people alive now, catholic, prods, and brits, who wouldnt be if it wasnt for compromise and efforts of all partys.for ireland and peaces sake, lets try to move forard
strabbs1 4 years ago
When all is said and done, Ulster is still British. The peace that exists now is because the loyalists were ultimately successful in protecting their community. The IRA realised they could never win.
goodie73 4 years ago
Keep telling yourself that.
ebeneezzer 4 years ago
Most of the loyalist paramilitaries really were just reactionary thugs. They may of had a noble objective at one point to defend their community but in the midst of the troubles i think they became overrun with the sort who were desperate to show they could kill and bomb as much as the IRA. In retrospect they were just very sloppy and unorganised.
shenanigan55 4 years ago 3
1690 soldier, you are a fucking twat. fucking state of you, you absolute gobshite.
cummo 4 years ago
What about in 1795 up to 7,000 Catholics were driven out of Armagh by Orange Order pogroms.
Catholics burning protestant's houses like the protestant mobs burned down bombay street is it solider
26and6equals1 4 years ago
@26and6equals1 1795 fuck me its 2010 time for peace
OhYesHeKnew 1 year ago
The IRA kill 18 armed soldiers and loyalists "retaliate" by killing a random catholic.
What pros.
ebeneezzer 4 years ago
gusty u murdering fat fuck!
Id love to put a bullet in that cunts head!!!
fat piece of shit.
MarkyMarkDCU 4 years ago
He was protecting his community
1690solider 4 years ago
by shooting a 18 year old catholic barman in the head? A kid with no connection to the IRA or Republican movement?
also it was at a time when the IRA hadnt carried out a single attack? in fact the IRA didnt fire a shot until 4 years after that incident!!!
MarkyMarkDCU 4 years ago
Explain to me how that action protected his community it was noting else but a sectarian hate crime. Im sure he must have had a lot of sleepless nights in prison thinking what he killed that innocent man for i expect thats why he became disillusioned with the uvf and left even taking a interest in Irish history and going on to learn his native tongue Irish.
26and6equals1 4 years ago
Its called freedom of religion
And dont forget who many republicans have killed INNOCENT protestants
thomas mcdonald ran over whilst peacefully riding his bike , not matter what year it was
1690solider 4 years ago
Also catholics burning protestant's houses and forcing them to move
1690solider 4 years ago
Its called freedom of religion your talking out your ass solider i don,t forget the innocent protestants at all may they R.I.P. but the fact is that the protestant community have carried out vastly more sectarian murders stemming from the twisted ideology of the orange order which was set up to divide the
community to maintain british control
26and6equals1 4 years ago