You two may want to not that these vessels are not, in fact, vorchans. These are newer, larger ships that share a similar shape to the vorchan but are not the same vessel.
@FireCrack How can you tell? I just put it down to the special effects and it being some years after the original series and these were just a newer Vorchan model.
Also, this war is presumably what would have happened if the Drakh had not gotten removed from Cent Prime. And this also prevented them getting their hooks into Vintari.
In the books Galen does help Vir get the Drakh off Cent Prime and the events in this show happen before this.
@SardaukarOne I meant to say that the war between the EA and Centauri is what will happen as long as the Drakh are allowed to dominate the Centauri.
Vintari would make an ideal candidate for the Drakh to mold to their will; the Centauri are clearly the second strongest race left after the Minbari, and with Drakh tech, could eventually end up being no 1.
And we see this in the lost tales. What the Centauri will be like under the Drakh.
@FireCrack The "Vorchans" depicted in the fight do seem a lot slower than the what we do see of the Vorchans in the B5 seasons. The Vorchans from the series would fly circles around the EA ships.
8: Again, that flanking Vorchan took a heavy hit to its port wing from a single hit.
Now, that jump and blast strategy is good, but #3 is a supperior stratagy, due to the fact that the odds of ramming into a ship or being hit by friendly fire is reduced.
8) The flanking Vorchan took a hit. But if thats a heavy hit, then the hits its delivering to the Warlock are gargantuan hits. And the wing is far from coming off as you claimed in a prior post.
The Warlock is losing that engagement.
#3 is a ludicrous strategy. You yourself talked of how deadly warlocks would be in a 'jump and blast' strategy.
50% of the enemy would be gone you said? Or was it just 25%?
Friendly fire and ramming in b5? With all the dif ship types? Come on!
The B5 books, "Legions of Fire", of which there are three volumes, depict the struggle Vir and Londo have in removing the Drakh from Cent Prime.
The Drakh boost the Cent military after the Alliance has alienated them.
The books don't go into any real detail on what these advancements are, other than Cent ships were improved by the Drakh. And the Centauri, with the Alliance, use these ships to hunt the Drakh down.
The books are not very good to be frank, but its canon.
5: If you are already losing the war (Earth in the Earth-Minbari war) you only recall ships for any upgrades, or send the data if it can be done outside of a base.
6: Carriers are very good because they can launch a lot of fighters to engage the enemy, and it's own armarments can be interceptor/FLAK based.
7: And as you pointed out, that Omega hadn't been wiped out. If they had those wonderful Shadow upgrades, it would have been killed in 5 seconds.
5) No. Ships come in for repairs, fuel, ammunition, food, replacements etc. Upgrades? Logistics is vital in war.
Typically, any worthwile upgrades often mean a new unit, making the current obsolete.
6) Carriers can be useful. But we don't really see a lot of carrier only ships. And if there are enough capitol ships present, fighters don't seem to have much impact, other than to deal with enemy fighters.
7) Instead, the Omega will be killed in under 20 seconds.
In addition, the war has been going on for an unknown time, and in a loosing war, you end up not taking your ship in for repairs.
And, as you say, the Warlocks are good in head on confrontations, so when they jump into action, they'd wipe out nearly a quarter of the enemy fleet before they could take out a single ship.
@DrMalHarkness Not taking your ships in for repairs while you are losing a war? What on earth are you talking about?
I would counter that not taking your ships in for repairs could be why you are losing! :)
No, I did not say that Warlocks are good in head on confrontations. I said that they only seemed to be any good if an enemy ship was right in front of them. Because if they aren't, the Warlocks look hopless in a 1 on 1 matchup. As the Cent ships are proving in the clip.
@DrMalHarkness I'd add that jumping out on top of your enemy is something that all races seem to do with deadly effect during the course of the show. 'In the Beginning' a Volvhan jumps in and destroys a narn heavy cruiser in one salvo.
It took a lot less time to shoot than the Warlock in the clip.
The Vorlons jumping in on Shadow ships, the WS vs the Cent ships, and a Narn heavy cruiser jumped and got the jump on a shadow ship. Everyone does this to great effect.
1: The Warlocks have more armor than any previous EA warship, a higher number, and power (per gun).
2: The primary weapons that the Drakh smuggled out of Zha'Ha'Dum was the planet killer and the bio-pluage.
3:By the way, if you can fire a salvo at high velocities at long range (i.e. Andromeda Ascendant (different canon)) you can moniter for any survivors while closing in, and jump after them if they try to escape.
4: This takes place AFTER (no italics) the events of B5 season 5.
@SardaukarOne warlocks needing more armour is not the issue, the video puts u in in a instense battle with 3 EA ships outnumbered by 5 plus Centurai ships so no idea how long this battle has been raging so the warlock armour may have just finally give out, obviously it shows toe to toe a warlock can easily take a vorchan out but when its outnumbered 3-1 its a different story. then you have consider that earlier models of the vorchan could lay down a pretty devasting volume of fire
@verdebusterAP Clearly Warlocks do need more armour. They are getting lit up like xmas trees.
The only obvious thing about the battle, apart from the fact that the EA is losing badly, is that the only way the Warlock can easily take a Vorchan out is if the Vorchan happens to be right in front of it.
If the Vorchan isn't right in front of the Warlock, the Warlock loses. Kinda like whats happening in the battle.
But the Cent ships are clearly more than a match for the EA ships. As you said, this is a one sided fight. Why is it so one sided is what really needs to be shown.
Because if they put shadow tech on the fighters, then they could just make carrier ships with extremely thick armor, and just launch fighters to tear apart the enemy capital ships.
And the Warlock that is supposedly getting taken out at the end, nearly blasted the port wing off the flanking Vorchan.
And, as you see in the backround, there's an Omega destroyer that's not been blasted in half, and the Omegas are far older than any Warlock.
@DrMalHarkness You might want to reply to my posts instead of just posting.
I have no idea what on earth you are talking about re shadow tech, fighters and carrier ships.
The Drakh are trying to set up the Centauri, so they would use Cen ships.
The Warlock is getting the worst of it with the flanking Vorchan. No two ifs or ands about it! Its about to be night night time for the aforementioned Warlock.
The Omega hasn't been wiped out coz there aren't Cen ships near it.
Has anyone noticed the Centauri carrier at 0:18 mid right? The Warlocks by this time will have been in for 20 years or so so they are getting old and i bet the new Vorchan has some Drakh tech in it
I think its incredibly strange for the Centauri to consider the EA the main threat to them. The main threat would surely have to be the Minbari.
I wouldn't put too much credence in the Warlock destroyer as a basis of power. Unless you are right in front of it, it doesn't seem to be very effective as evidenced by the Centauri ships lighting up one and about to light up the incoming Warlock.
Minbari ships are uber fast & agile. Next in this category are Centauri.
@SardaukarOne Yea, that's because Electronic Arts or EA would have bought out the Centauri via hostle takeover making them work long hours to make unreasonable deadlines. The end result of this would be some over priced bug laiden crappy video games and complete destruction of the Centauri Republic.
@SardaukarOne Yes, but all of that speed is useless if your weapons are innefectual, or you can be taken out in a single hit, so the Warlocks are superior to the Vorchan (the main Centauri warship). Not to metion, that the Vorchans can't launch or recieve fighters, where as the Warlocks can.
@DrMalHarkness The Vorchan's are lighting up one Warlock and about to obliterate the Warlock that destroyed the one Vorchan. And in case you didn't notice, a Cen ship is already getting the better of that same Warlock. Speed is never useless in war. I would hardly call the Cen weapons inneffectual.
Vorchans don't have fighters. Neither do White Stars.
It looks as if the only reason the Warlock got to take out the Vorchan was coz it got distracted taking out the other Warlock. Ouch!
@SardaukarOne I never said that speed was useless, and if you look again, a single shot from the Warlock ripped right through the that Vorchan.
BTW, White Stars are able to carry 3-4 Minbari fighters, and they don't need to be an excellent ship because they are highly manueverable, which usually gets lost when you have a high speed, and the semi-organic hull design deflects most of the damage done to it.
And if you look again, the Cen ship destroyed was busy wiping out a different Warlock. If thats the only way for the Warlock to get off a shot, then thats an issue.
If the Warlocks are so great, how is it that they are clearly getting their asses handed to them?
When do we see WS launch fighters in a battle?
The Volchan is a bigger ship, and must be able to have shuttles dock. How do we know they don't have fighters?
@SardaukarOne The White Stars are shown to carry fighters in the 5th season at least. Dunno if they turn up anywhere else. Might be something that only some of them do.
@Raguleader With the way the White Stars fly, I find it very hard to believe that fighters can be A) launched in combat B) retrieved in combat.
You are right of course, they have fighters in the awful season 5. But if they can have fighters and shuttles, so can the Volchan's. How else does the crew get aboard if not by shuttle? And if the Volchan can accomodate a shuttle, then they could take on fighters too.
@SardaukarOne The White Stars launch their fighters in Hyperspace (maybe on quantum space?) before jumping into theatre, and vica-virsa. And just because a shuttle can dock doesn't always mean that fighters can. All that a shuttle needs is a hatch. Fighters need to actually dock for the pilot, fuel, and weapons. If you go back and watch season 5, most of the time, when the Vorchans are in combat, there's no allied fighter escorts.
And I said speed is useless if there's no hull integrity!
@DrMalHarkness In season 5 the Vorchans were under the control of the Drakh using shadow tech. I doubt they would have wasted a control module on a fighter. Not cost effective.
When WS are in combat, we don't see them launching fighters either.
Why is is implausible for Vorchans to carry a few fighters and use them in the same manner that we see the WS use fighters in season 5? Deep range missions, training etc?
If there is no hull integrity, everything else is useless too.
@SardaukarOne The only shadow tech that the Drakhs were using was the organic remotes. If they had other techs, then the would have been destroyed with a single shot!
As for the WS, I said they launch BEFORE JUMPING! And as for the Vorchans, there's no hard points for fighter docking, and given the design, and size, they'd need some kind of hanger like the EA's fighters.
One last thing, do you even remember what the original argument was?
@SardaukarOne Also, if you look at the Vorchan @ :17 to :20 (left one), you'll see that the single blast that it took was of sigificant strenth, as well as when the Starfury collided with the Vorchan that got it's ass handed to it.
@DrMalHarkness And you also see one Warlock getting beasted and the Warlock that took out the aforementioned Vorchan is already getting toasted by another Vorchan on oneflank and with another Vorchan turning to attack. Indeed, its safe to say that the Warlock that took out the Vorchan is itself about to get it's ass handed to it.
This what I hate about whats follwed the original Babylon 5 is the way Earth seems to be the main power that everyone must stop if they want to dominate. The Minbari are centurys ahead of Earth Force and the Centauri.
@danielqmul Well, the minbari are, with the exception of almost exterminating humanity that one time, peaceful space-elves. They leave the dicking each other over for more stuff to the younger races. The centauri had their troubles with the drakh, and narn were bombed back to the stone age twice over, which leaves humanity free to expand. Not to mention they have a fairly special place in the space-UN, thanks to Sheridan.
@danielqmul Yeah, it seems strange for them not to get involved somewhere down the line if the centauri started throwing their weight around. Still, given the minbari's reclusive nature it doesn't seem strange for the centauri to consider the Earth Alliance the bigger threat, not to mention that if the Warlock is Earthforce's primary destroyer at the point, the minbari's military superiority could be... questionable. Anyway, the political climate could change in 30 years, so we just don't know.
@gasdfw5 I think its a Centauri ship. One of their heavy cruisers. Like the one Londo was in when the Centauri bombed the Narn homeworld; the same type the Centauri Emperors use and the same type that attacked B5.
If you look in the bottom left @ 17 sec, you will see a ship attacking an earth vessel. It has two streams of fire instead of the one used by the regular Centauri warships. Thats Centauri. And thats an earth ship its targeting.
Compare the 2. Its hard to tell because of the angle.
@SardaukarOne its been a long time since i watched my b5 collection but if im not mistaken Vintari is or was possessed by one of them keepers, and they are spawn of the shadow alliance (drakh critters) and the shadows got beaten and eventually left. Drakh became the new 'evil' race and it was the humans, specifically B5 then ended thier masters so naturally greatest threat.
Like i said its been a few years since i watched my set, i should go brush up on my B5 history hey lol
@kineticdeath I don't recall Vintari being in anything other than the lost tales. But the point I am making is that by taking Vintari away from Centauri Prime, they are avoiding this future i.e. the Centauri pummeling earth.
In the B5 books dealing with the Drakh and Centauri, I don't remember Vintari in any of them. The Drakh were also able to get people to do their bidding without keepers. With the way Vintari was turning out, I don't think they would have needed a keeper.
@SardaukarOne Earth's military. Vorlons are gone, the Minbari and the league had to fight two wars in quick succession (Shadow war and the war against Clark) while earth only fought one and Sheridan did his best to leave the fleet intact and the Alliance always had problems someplace or other. The Minbari also had that civil war between religious and warrior caste and the league was never a powerhouse anyways.
@OneT236 I understand that Earth could be a threat now, but when did Earth ever stop the Centauri prior to Vintari attacking them? Which is the reason given for Vintari to attack.
I would add that Centauri Prime had itself been bombed by the Narns and Drazi. They too had taken casualties.
Still, the Minbari would seem to me to be the only ones capable of defeating the Centuari.
@gasdfw5 Ah, I see your issue. It's not anything I'm familiar with, and I've seen a lot of Babylon 5. So I'd put it down to being a new Centauri design from the scant details that I'm able to make out.
@gasdfw5 yeah thats one of the larger earth troop transports. they're also seen a few times in the series. you can see them in hyperspace in the series 3 episode severed dreams on the way to babylon 5.
@gasdfw5 unless you were talking about the one in the far distance. i just noticed it on a second viewing. i also have no idea. maybe a transport ship?
i have to say, the performance of the warlocks looks a bit disapointing in this. tho i noticed there not the standard Centari crusers.. I would of liked to see more of the earth centari war just so we could see some of the other new ships in action like the monsoon tempest and typhoon
@zebadee277 I think considering the fact that Human ships were outnumbered 6 to one it is no briner who's gonna win this fight despite 2nd warlock taking down two Century heavy cruisers, (these aren't Vorchan class cruisers they are far bigger beasts) whist its armor is doing a brilliant job reflecting much of the energy away.
In reality EA of the future pass 2280 in Babylon 5 universe is a superpower, way more powerful than Centauri and coming near Minbari power and influence.
@micoforion If the Centauri outnumber the EA 6 -1 and its a no brainer who is going to win this fight, how can the EA be more powerful than the Centauri?
I would add that I can only see one Centauri heavy battleship in the fight scene. The rest of the Centauri ships are Vorchan class, which seem to be the Centauri equivalent of the White Star fleet ships i.e, fast and manouverable with some serious firepower.
Perhaps the lumbering Warlocks are no match for the speed of the Centauri ships?
@zebadee277 Of All younger races EA manged to advanced its military rapidly and acquire advanced weapon systems be it from shadows or be it from the Minbari, whom they literally blackmailed in to giving them a gravity drive and few other interesting invitations. On the other hand, you need to understand the Centauri aren't weak, their technology is not on pair with that of the Minbari but they are relatively advanced race that once ruled over 100's of worlds in this party of Galaxy.
@micoforion The Centauri are the second oldest race behind the Minbari as far as the younger races go.
The Centuari in my opinion, are the only race that would give the Minbari a legitimate fight, though I doubt they would win. As I understand it, the Centauri also got technology from the Drakh, and they worked for the Shadows. When did the Minbari give EA technology? Blackmailed? In open warfare, the Centauri wiped the floor with the Narns, who at the time, were arguably stronger than EA.
@SardaukarOne yeah right, at no point in babylon5 story plot do i see Drakh giving anything to Centauri or the Shadows for that matter. In season 5 you can clearly see that Centauri ships were remotely controlled by Shawdow technology that is the extent of Shadows help. Also did you watch Babylon 5 the Gathering movie, there clearly Centaury complain how they become subservient and are looking to attach themselves to the EA's rapid progress. And Narns were never math for EA.
@micoforion The remote control units are not given to the Centauri by the Shadows, but by the Drakh, who have access to Shadow tech.
The Centauri are introduced as very apathetic in the beginning of the show. They are also accused of having no stomach for war. And they rely on earth for a lot of trade income. A lot changed from the pilot.
Narns didn't need to have rotating ships for gravity, unlike the EA. Which is the only tech I am aware of that was given to the EA.
@micoforion If the EA is stronger than the Centauri, and have more advanced technology as you have stated, how is it they get defeated by the Centauri? Defeated quite handily it would seem!
@SardaukarOne First off, Narn ships had no gravity to start with, they had 0 Gravity environment on broad of their ships, EA ships used centrifuge to gain 1g environment on-board of their ships.
2nd Centauri attacked earth in an surprise attack, if that was even the case as it was only a dream Sheridan had, we don't really know how and why is happened.
3rd. EA never lost war to a Cantauri even in this scene is lets day at best cryptic we see one EA ship going down and we also see same
@micoforion The fight scene we see is not fought above Earth. And if the Centauri have the tech to jump all the way to earth without being detected along the way, they clearly are more advanced than the EA. This is the only way they could have suprised Earth.
Minbari vs EA and Cen vs Narn are both longer campaigns, with homeworld being the last target.
EA never lost a war to the Centauri because the two never fought. Fight scene is cryptic because it contradicts what you are saying.
@SardaukarOne In the B5 movie, the beginning, don't EA ask the Centauri for help vs the Minbari.
They are the only ones who had a chance vs the Minbari. They wanted Centauri weapons and tactical support if memory serves me correctly. They ended up getting weapons from the Narns.
Well, if EA weapons and tactics are so good, why do they need Centauris weapons? And tactical support?
Maybe because the Centauri are stronger? That would be my guess! Its the answer that makes the most sense.
@micoforion Make no sense in the way that you have made your points despite all evidence to the contrary?
Its Galen, not Gelen.
Why do you keep on ignoring where Sheridan states that Earth can't take on the Centauri? Or that Earth desperately wanted Centauri weapons and help vs the Minbari? Or that the EA is clearly losing in the war with the Centauri?
I don't think the Centauri would run over the EA, but I do think that in any conflict between the 2, the Centauri are the clear favourites.
@SardaukarOne oh come on, where is Sheridan saying that, which part of the show, you are making things up as you go :(
EA wanted support from many worlds during the war with the Minbari, but everyone said no, Centauri replied we warned you, also you are getting ahead of yourself by saying that Centauri won anything, we only see a short space battle segment in which one Warlock is taken down but it took another warlock one shot to take down Centauri cruiser.
@micoforion Which worlds did they want support from? What would be the point of asking for help from races weaker than them? You yourself have said that the EA is more powerful than everyone else! If thats the case, who could help them?
The only two races they asked help from were the Centauri and the Narn. In the case of the Narn, they wanted captured Centauri weapons.
I think you should take some of your own advice and watch the show again. You seem to have missed a lot.
@SardaukarOne - firepower only Minbari and the first ones could muster! Now i can imagine centauri being more advanced and having more capable ships, but in terms of firepower armor and shear capabilities EA ships are out of league. FFS, Centauri had hard time dealing with the Narns in season 1 and 2, now it took shadow's help to take down quadrant 14 base - season 3 i think. Centauri are powerful but they know they aren't match for the EA therefore sneak attack on earth, it all hypothetical a..
@micoforion I agree that the Shadows kickstarted the Centauri into action. No doubt.
But we learn in the episdoe "And now for a word" that the Narn have lost six out of seven major engagements to the Centauri. And in the episode "The Long Twighlight Struggle", we find out that the Centauri are easily defeating the Narns. Their outposts are lost and their forces are in retreat. And that soon only homeworld will be left. To think they cannot fight is clearly wrong.
@micoforion Shadows made things easier for the Centauri, but its pretty clear that the Centauri are more than a match for the Narn.
The Centauri didn't have problems with the Narns in open war. It was when they tried to occupy Narn they ran into problems.
" Now i can imagine centauri being more advanced and having more capable ships, but in terms of firepower armor and shear capabilities EA ships are out of league. "
This makes no sense. You have contradicted yourself. Again!
@micoforion " Now i can imagine centauri being more advanced and having more capable ships, but in terms of firepower armor and shear capabilities EA ships are out of league."
This makes no sense. Either the Centauri ships are more advanced or they aren't. And those big Warlock ship or whatever they are called that you are in love with are getting lit up in the battle scene.
Only you seem to know that the Centauri aren't a match for EA. LOL!
@micoforion "Now i can imagine centauri being more advanced and having more capable ships, but in terms of firepower armor and shear capabilities EA ships are out of league."
This makes no sense. You have said that the Centauri have more capable ships than EA, but EA ships have more capabilities.
If the Centauri ships are more advanced than EA, how then can EA ships be out of their league.
@micoforion The Centauri clearly are a match for the EA, as evidenced by them wiping Earth out in the Lost Tales. The battle scene is nowhere near Earth. Look at the background. I don't see any bases nearby, so the sneak attack theory is just that. A theory.
All the major campaigns see one sides colonies and outposts being taken out first, with the homeworld usually being last. Narn vs Centauri, EA vs Minbari. Both follow this pattern. Two years for the Minbari to reach earth in fact.
@SardaukarOne there you go again, making stupid assumptions, why couldn't the centauri just jump in to Earth's space, as the Narns and Drazi did at the end of season 5. I mean man you are just making things as you go, making assumptions and what not, FFS EA is part of ISA, has alliance with the Minbari and other members of the ISA, attack on Earth would spark attack by the entire ISA on the Centauri, think before you reply. i mean really !!!
@micoforion The Drakh manipulated the attack on CPrime. From start to finish. They negated the Cen defenses and set the Cen up for a fall. The Narn commander, after bombing CPrime, tells Sheridan that they must join forces or be destroyed by the returning Cen fleet. This suggests that without Drakh manipulation, the Cen planet def grid and fleet should have been too strong for the Narn & Drazi. Otherwise its a curious dec to attack. But the Drakh manipulated it all and set the Cen up for a fall.
@micoforion The Cen vs the Narns, the Minbari vs Earth and Sheridan vs Earth all had the attackers taking out colonies and bases before finally moving in on the homeworld. The Centauri and Sheridan both seem to have wanted to take out the enemy military. Even after CPrime is bombed, the Cen military is basically intact. The war could easily have escalated, but for the Drakh. Taking out large civilian centers does not gaurantee victory. The homeworld seems to be left for last in most cases.
@micoforion EA as part of the ISA is more than a match for the Centauri, but EA on its own isn't.
If what you say is true about the ISA helping EA, then that would surely make the Centauri way stronger than EA.
In the Lost tales; they must be fighting the ISA whilst destroying EA. Or perhaps you got it wrong about the ISA? Because from what we can see, its an EA vs Cen only. And that suggests the rest of the ISA don't want to help because the Cen are too strong. Thanks for pointing this out.
@micoforion Stupid is what you have been spewing out. You have stated a position that has absolutely no credence. All the information, meagre though it is, suggests the complete opposite of what you are saying.
Don't get mad because others are more informed than you are about B5.
Just because you think EA should be the most powerful doesn't mean it is or should be. And it also doesn't mean others have to think the same as you.
@SardaukarOne btw i really can't be bothered to talk to you anymore, suffice to say lets agree that we totally disagree and that you won't convince me of anything and vice versa. end off.
@micoforion I knew you wouldn't answer me re Sheridan saying EA couldn't stand upto the Centauri or other races.
1) To pretend it didn't happen, which is what u are doing, makes u look like an imbecile. And your penchant for telling me to go review the series & me making things up becomes comical.
2) To own up that it did happen, kinda dents your arguement & shows u are wrong.
Find a nice hole in the ground and stick your head in it. Don't confuse said hole with your arsehole.
I've said what i had to say on the matter and conversation has come to an end, you have your views regarding this I have mine, this is the end of argument and my participation in this conversation, now if you persist in being rude i can always report you to the youtube and since they have your IP address...
Again, i am sticking to my views and you are sticking to yours, lets end it on that note.
@micoforion If the conversation has come to an end, why are you still posting?
Last post I was just trying to give u directions. But I guess calling me stupid and inferring i'm a liar(telling the truth) isn't being rude either. :)
Go ahead and report me. It will be like when EA goes running to the Centauri for help vs the Minbari. LOL!
They have my IP address! OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!
U better hope the one you go running to doesn't like B5; coz if they do, they won't like u! :)
@micoforion Can you confirm, in either the positive or the negative, that Sheridan did indeed say that the Centauri, amongst others, are too strong for EA?
@micoforion I already posted where in the series when Sheridan said that Earth could not stand upto the other races, including the Centauri. I did this in a prior post. You have already stated that you are well versed in the B5 series, so you should surely know where it is, no?
But because you don't know, I will list it again for you.
Season 2, episode 15 : "And now for a word".
Its when the ISN film crew visit the station and when a Narn heavy cruiser fights a Centauri ship at B5.
@SardaukarOne again you are full of it, you are just making things as you go, btw did you watch same season coming of shadows episode where B5 zeta squadron destroys Primus battle cruiser. end off...
@micoforion Primus battle ship was targeting a Narn cruiser and B5 also. I seem to remember the B5 defense grid doing most of the damage. Unfortunately, its one on those inconsistencies in B5 that tend to happen without it making much sense.
Did you see the Centauri fleet wipe the floor with EA ships and then flatten Earth in the Lost Tales?
@SardaukarOne thing happening to a Cantauri ship, we can only guess what is happening here, also did you listen what Gelen was saying, why Earth - he replies the elimination of one power that could stop them, clearly indicating a sneak attack - imagine a Pearl Harbor kind of event, this is what I also think JMS was aiming with this movie, than EA would come all geared up and angry - taking the Cantauri down in prolonged tv series if he ever got a go ahead.
@micoforion The only true sneak attack ala Pearl Harbor that happened is when the Centauri planetary defense system got turned off and the fleet ordered away by the chancellor.
Otherwise, sneak attacks of this type don't seem possible.
U know, JMS might have wanted a race to suffer a devastating attack to their homeworld, then come back all angry. Except it wasn't earth, it was the Centauri.
@SardaukarOne as in 2nd or 3rd season of Babylon 5 Gkar's asks for EA's help as he believes that among younger races other than Minbari EA are only ones who an stood up to the Centauri, and lets not forget Centauri attacked all the younger races in season 3 and 4, but never dared to attack EA or the Minbari!. On the other hand Humans got Shadow technology, Minabri technology and Excalibur Cruisers were built by EA, what do you think EA did with technological know-how?
@micoforion G'Kar asked for help from the Minbari too. And exactly who else was there for G'Kar to turn to for help? There was no one else.
The EA made a peace agreement with the Centauri. With the Centauri fighting so many wars, who can blame them? Never daring to attack the EA? Yet 40 years later they are wiping the floor with the EA.
What tech did EA get from the Minbari? What? I don't know!
Sheridan, in season 3 states that EA cannot take on the Centauri or the Minbari. Says it all!
@zebadee277 Therefore Centari warships were more than match for any warship of the younger races and they made a menace meat of white star in season 4, one where Delen barley survives the encounter with 3 Centauri Vorchan class cruisers. I'd go as far as saying that Centauri are almost as powerful as Minbari or EA, but their ships lack armor and endurance of EA and Minbari ships, Among Younger races there are few who would withstand attack from Minbari or EA fleets, ---
@zebadee277 Centauri perhaps in larger numbers might just be able to tip balance in their favor, after all they had more ships than most younger races. At this point around 2301, EA had fewer ships due to the Civil war and subsequent Drakh attack on earth, I estimate EA fleet at 50% consisting of 50 Omega, 160 Warlock Destroyers and around 300 other older and some newer warships coming on-line. At the same time Centauri had at least 6 times as many warships.
@micoforion Where are you getting your numbers from? Vintari's attack in like 40 years after the civil war and 30 after the Drakh
In this timeline, the Drakh had yet to be uprooted from Centauri Prime. If i'm not mistaken, its after this that they attack Earth itself. And its the Drakh that fuel the expansionist Centauri policies that fuel Vintari's attack on earth.
This is some speculation on my part, but its to understand why else the techno mage would want Vintari out of the way otherwise.
Can someone please just tell me if we, (the loyal fans of the greatest television event in history), have any chance in hell of seeing more from our beloved franchise. I hope for a yes due to the fact that a big budget film was on the cards just before The Lost Tales, which was cancelled for one reason or another, I can take a no but I really hope that we will see more before I die.
I guess the big question to ask is why Earth is the only power that can stop the Centauri Republic, and why the rest of the IA isn't helping them (assuming that the Centauri didn't just launch their Weapons of Redunkulous Destruction on all of the IA homeworlds, rather than just Earth). Earth has been known to be a jerk in the past, so maybe they got themselves separated from the League long enough for the Centauri to single them out?
@Raguleader In the movie it states that "earth was the only major power able to stop the Centauri" ... which is BS, i mean what happened to the Minbari? The oldest of the younger races and the most powerful. Londo stated "Even at out greatest we did not dare provoke the Minbari" ... One has to wonder if JMS just wrote the story this way because a film where Earth is the protagonist would sell better. I mean how many times did the Minbari have to save everyone's asses, in the series? lol
@PrimeGodist you assume the Minbari at this point in the time, (later than the series) would get involved with a earth v centauri war. Maybe they have issues of their own at this point, like another civil war with the warrior caste... Just some thoughts
@cavok84 The chances for another civil war are fairly slim, the Gray council was reforged by Delenn. But you are right the possibility exists; in the past it was stated that there were three from every cast so that there would be balance, now that the worker caste has the majority in the council the fragile balance might be disrupted.
To the point though, if the Centaury were to lash out (against everyone), the Minbari would be the only ones able to stop them, not the humans. lol
You forget that Earth got many minbari technologies espacially weapons and shipupgrades. Dont forget that even if the Victory class was designed by the minbari they were build in earth spacedocks by humans. So you could put Earth and minbari on the same level in those times but whats really confusing is that Earth stands alone because even if other Alliance races don´t help the Rangers would defend any Alliance member and even the Centauri coulnd´t handle Victorys and White Stars
@Lionis123 Well really the only technology the minbari shared with the Humans was artificial gravity, not weapons. The victory class was built in a specially designed spacedock, using eath funds and minbari technology, but it was not meant for the earth alliance it was made to be the first cruiser class for the new ISA.
i know that it was made for the ISA but fact is that humans build the ships and so logically the ingeneers had to understand what they do in order to build the ships. that siply leads us to the conclusion that the human ingeneers understand the technology of the Victory class cruisers and that means: Minbari -weapons, defences, engines, artificial gravity...- Vorlon weapons and the earth technology parts.
I'd love to see a new B5 movie, especially with updated CGI, showing us the future of the beloved characters.. Unfortunately JMS is apparently very stubborn guy, unable to reasonably negotiate (and compromise) with production studios about his "child" B5 franchise.
But I have to agree with JMS. Babylon 5 was one of the very few TV shows, which has attempted to defend the Judeo/Christian heritage, in its own unique way. It would be very unfortunate if babylon 5 would divert from this path, by advocation of violence, and moral or financial decadence.
I believe that the first ones will be last, and the last ones will be first. Babylon 5 will have a resurrection, and will come back with a big bang.
@voniatko JMS is an arrogant dickhead, he created brilliant show, but somehow he thinks that he is above everyone else as a result, sorry many in Hollywood do not like to be dictated, and i am not surprised he hasn't been able to get anything done since with B5 franchise.
Just to add, Crusades on the other hand was a worst tv show and poor replacement for Babylon 5.
@voniatko would you compromise with a studio who want ti change something you poured your heart, soul and vision into? I don't think that's unreasonable at all.
@voniatko Because the studios usually want to turn it into something it isn't. Wouldn't you fight tooth and nail to protect something you created from being turned into a mockery of itself?
@petrus4321 "why JMS dont make a new Babylon 5 movie"
The studios are unwilling to shell out the necessary money to make a *quality* Babylon 5 DVD movie. They want to do it on the cheap, and JMS refuses to make crappy movies just to make a buck. That's why. And it's a shame. Because there is a market out there. They certainly don't try to make the Stargate DVD movies look like a student film project! And they still make money.
reason why CR is stronger,Warlock is excellent unit,far stronger then any centauri ships,but in cost of one warlock centauri can build 3-4mybe even 6 of vorchans,and as vorchan is 2 time smaller they can build a lot more then EA can build Warlocks.I can only hope there will be more B5 movies,
perhaps that is true, but it's completely not based on any canon and 100 percent you guessing. Not saying you are wrong, but there is no way to guess at that. Its easiest to just say that given the fact the centauri are much more advanced than the humans through out the series it is unlikely that one advanced ship in limited production will turn the tide of a major war. Although I think the Humans will stand strong against the Centauri in a war.
I think that wether Earth Alliance or Centauri Republic is the stronger force depends on wether or not EA is still a member of the Interstellar Alliance at that time. We can assume that the Centauri Republic isn't, so if the EA is attacked by them, it coud possibly call the other members of the IA as well as the IA's own forces (read: White Star fleet) for aid.
@Tarvoc True Very True. But Centauri Prime is different from EA and MIMBAR and ISA... These ships cost way more Then the Centauri Ships. When he said 1000 Vorchan class ships its hard for a couple white stars to fight it off... EA would have fallen and IDK maybe Mimbar would of been Next. Those are the 2 Races with Fighting chance..The Narn are Done, and every other Race...plus those ships Look Different so im guessing they are more powerful then the Older Vorchans which still kicked ass
No it isn't. The Centauri Republic is thousands of years older then the EA, and has many more ships. At the height of it's power even the Minbari wouldn't have purposely sort out a confrontation, and at this point in the possible Future the CR has re-armed and become resurgent, and whilst the Warlocks can hold their own there's obviously not enough of them to hold the line.
The Centauri never could have stopped the Minbari. The question is, would the Minbari be willing to engage in a very costly war for both sides?? I think probably not.
I agree that the Centauri is stronger than the EA, but at this time that the battle is shown, EA tech and military has reached a point that it posed a threat to the Centauri, that is why they chose to attack Earth. Even though the Warlocks will most likely be better than other Cent. ships, EA will probably lose in the long run
I think you have one point backwards. At the height of the Republic only the Minbari were superior to them. If I recall from the In the Beginning novel, Mollari mentally notes that the one and only confrontation with the Minbari ended with the Centauri Fleet being forced all the way back to Centauri Prime.
i actually just rented lost tales on itunes and saw it first hand. Man, lost tales was very good, even made up for the terrible lotr movie. wish they had the funding for an entire series
This was just a possible future confrontation between Earth and Centauri.. finally it never happened since after the Drakh war there were 100 years of peace.
Still i dont consider the "destruction" after the 1000 years ..that was just plain stupid
No, this was the future that would happen if Sheriden couldn't somehow convince Centauri Prince Dius Vintari that there were ways other then battle to solve differences. In this alternative future the Centauri went after the humans knowing they were the only race, other then the Minbari, capable of halting their plans for expansion.
You two may want to not that these vessels are not, in fact, vorchans. These are newer, larger ships that share a similar shape to the vorchan but are not the same vessel.
FireCrack 1 month ago
@FireCrack How can you tell? I just put it down to the special effects and it being some years after the original series and these were just a newer Vorchan model.
Also, this war is presumably what would have happened if the Drakh had not gotten removed from Cent Prime. And this also prevented them getting their hooks into Vintari.
In the books Galen does help Vir get the Drakh off Cent Prime and the events in this show happen before this.
SardaukarOne 2 weeks ago
@SardaukarOne I meant to say that the war between the EA and Centauri is what will happen as long as the Drakh are allowed to dominate the Centauri.
Vintari would make an ideal candidate for the Drakh to mold to their will; the Centauri are clearly the second strongest race left after the Minbari, and with Drakh tech, could eventually end up being no 1.
And we see this in the lost tales. What the Centauri will be like under the Drakh.
SardaukarOne 2 weeks ago
@FireCrack The "Vorchans" depicted in the fight do seem a lot slower than the what we do see of the Vorchans in the B5 seasons. The Vorchans from the series would fly circles around the EA ships.
SardaukarOne 2 weeks ago
@SardaukarOne
8: Again, that flanking Vorchan took a heavy hit to its port wing from a single hit.
Now, that jump and blast strategy is good, but #3 is a supperior stratagy, due to the fact that the odds of ramming into a ship or being hit by friendly fire is reduced.
DrMalHarkness 5 months ago
@DrMalHarkness
8) The flanking Vorchan took a hit. But if thats a heavy hit, then the hits its delivering to the Warlock are gargantuan hits. And the wing is far from coming off as you claimed in a prior post.
The Warlock is losing that engagement.
#3 is a ludicrous strategy. You yourself talked of how deadly warlocks would be in a 'jump and blast' strategy.
50% of the enemy would be gone you said? Or was it just 25%?
Friendly fire and ramming in b5? With all the dif ship types? Come on!
SardaukarOne 5 months ago
@DrMalHarkness
The B5 books, "Legions of Fire", of which there are three volumes, depict the struggle Vir and Londo have in removing the Drakh from Cent Prime.
The Drakh boost the Cent military after the Alliance has alienated them.
The books don't go into any real detail on what these advancements are, other than Cent ships were improved by the Drakh. And the Centauri, with the Alliance, use these ships to hunt the Drakh down.
The books are not very good to be frank, but its canon.
SardaukarOne 5 months ago
@SardaukarOne
5: If you are already losing the war (Earth in the Earth-Minbari war) you only recall ships for any upgrades, or send the data if it can be done outside of a base.
6: Carriers are very good because they can launch a lot of fighters to engage the enemy, and it's own armarments can be interceptor/FLAK based.
7: And as you pointed out, that Omega hadn't been wiped out. If they had those wonderful Shadow upgrades, it would have been killed in 5 seconds.
DrMalHarkness 5 months ago
@DrMalHarkness
5) No. Ships come in for repairs, fuel, ammunition, food, replacements etc. Upgrades? Logistics is vital in war.
Typically, any worthwile upgrades often mean a new unit, making the current obsolete.
6) Carriers can be useful. But we don't really see a lot of carrier only ships. And if there are enough capitol ships present, fighters don't seem to have much impact, other than to deal with enemy fighters.
7) Instead, the Omega will be killed in under 20 seconds.
SardaukarOne 5 months ago
In addition, the war has been going on for an unknown time, and in a loosing war, you end up not taking your ship in for repairs.
And, as you say, the Warlocks are good in head on confrontations, so when they jump into action, they'd wipe out nearly a quarter of the enemy fleet before they could take out a single ship.
DrMalHarkness 6 months ago
@DrMalHarkness Not taking your ships in for repairs while you are losing a war? What on earth are you talking about?
I would counter that not taking your ships in for repairs could be why you are losing! :)
No, I did not say that Warlocks are good in head on confrontations. I said that they only seemed to be any good if an enemy ship was right in front of them. Because if they aren't, the Warlocks look hopless in a 1 on 1 matchup. As the Cent ships are proving in the clip.
SardaukarOne 6 months ago
@DrMalHarkness I'd add that jumping out on top of your enemy is something that all races seem to do with deadly effect during the course of the show. 'In the Beginning' a Volvhan jumps in and destroys a narn heavy cruiser in one salvo.
It took a lot less time to shoot than the Warlock in the clip.
The Vorlons jumping in on Shadow ships, the WS vs the Cent ships, and a Narn heavy cruiser jumped and got the jump on a shadow ship. Everyone does this to great effect.
SardaukarOne 6 months ago
@SardaukarOne
1: The Warlocks have more armor than any previous EA warship, a higher number, and power (per gun).
2: The primary weapons that the Drakh smuggled out of Zha'Ha'Dum was the planet killer and the bio-pluage.
3:By the way, if you can fire a salvo at high velocities at long range (i.e. Andromeda Ascendant (different canon)) you can moniter for any survivors while closing in, and jump after them if they try to escape.
4: This takes place AFTER (no italics) the events of B5 season 5.
DrMalHarkness 5 months ago
@DrMalHarkness
1) Clearly the Warlocks needed a lot more armour as evidenced by the tonking they are taking.
2) I don't recall them taking a planet killer from Z'ha'dum itself. They didn't have much to leave.
Read the books covering the Drakh and the centauri. They took more than that.
3) That doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't you keep on firing till they are all destroyed?
4) I KNOW THAT! Do you? You make so many non sensical assessments its hard to tell!
SardaukarOne 5 months ago
@SardaukarOne warlocks needing more armour is not the issue, the video puts u in in a instense battle with 3 EA ships outnumbered by 5 plus Centurai ships so no idea how long this battle has been raging so the warlock armour may have just finally give out, obviously it shows toe to toe a warlock can easily take a vorchan out but when its outnumbered 3-1 its a different story. then you have consider that earlier models of the vorchan could lay down a pretty devasting volume of fire
verdebusterAP 4 months ago
@verdebusterAP Clearly Warlocks do need more armour. They are getting lit up like xmas trees.
The only obvious thing about the battle, apart from the fact that the EA is losing badly, is that the only way the Warlock can easily take a Vorchan out is if the Vorchan happens to be right in front of it.
If the Vorchan isn't right in front of the Warlock, the Warlock loses. Kinda like whats happening in the battle.
SardaukarOne 3 months ago
@SardaukarOne I think more info is needed , because this just shows a one sided fight, like its needs to be seen from start to finish
verdebusterAP 1 month ago
@verdebusterAP I agree that more needs to be shown.
But the Cent ships are clearly more than a match for the EA ships. As you said, this is a one sided fight. Why is it so one sided is what really needs to be shown.
SardaukarOne 2 weeks ago
Because if they put shadow tech on the fighters, then they could just make carrier ships with extremely thick armor, and just launch fighters to tear apart the enemy capital ships.
And the Warlock that is supposedly getting taken out at the end, nearly blasted the port wing off the flanking Vorchan.
And, as you see in the backround, there's an Omega destroyer that's not been blasted in half, and the Omegas are far older than any Warlock.
DrMalHarkness 6 months ago
@DrMalHarkness You might want to reply to my posts instead of just posting.
I have no idea what on earth you are talking about re shadow tech, fighters and carrier ships.
The Drakh are trying to set up the Centauri, so they would use Cen ships.
The Warlock is getting the worst of it with the flanking Vorchan. No two ifs or ands about it! Its about to be night night time for the aforementioned Warlock.
The Omega hasn't been wiped out coz there aren't Cen ships near it.
SardaukarOne 6 months ago
Has anyone noticed the Centauri carrier at 0:18 mid right? The Warlocks by this time will have been in for 20 years or so so they are getting old and i bet the new Vorchan has some Drakh tech in it
nicoj84 7 months ago
Try playing this video with the soundtrack to the opening scene of the first Blade movie. It won't let me post the link!
Maybe you will enjoy it as much as I did ; maybe you won't. Just thought I would share!
Maybe you will enjoy it as much as I did ; maybe you won't. Just thought I would share!
SardaukarOne 9 months ago
By the time of this battle which should be around the year 2300, those Warlocks would have to be very old and outdated...
PeoplesGeneral 10 months ago
I think its incredibly strange for the Centauri to consider the EA the main threat to them. The main threat would surely have to be the Minbari.
I wouldn't put too much credence in the Warlock destroyer as a basis of power. Unless you are right in front of it, it doesn't seem to be very effective as evidenced by the Centauri ships lighting up one and about to light up the incoming Warlock.
Minbari ships are uber fast & agile. Next in this category are Centauri.
"Speed is the essence of war"
SardaukarOne 11 months ago
@SardaukarOne Yea, that's because Electronic Arts or EA would have bought out the Centauri via hostle takeover making them work long hours to make unreasonable deadlines. The end result of this would be some over priced bug laiden crappy video games and complete destruction of the Centauri Republic.
RandomSnot 7 months ago
@RandomSnot I actually meant just for your own enjoyment. The scene is much more delictable with the Blade opening scene playing.
Yeah, EA would take out the Centauri, the Narn, the Mimbari and they would find a way for them to do in the Shadows and Vorlons too.
SardaukarOne 7 months ago
@SardaukarOne Yes, but all of that speed is useless if your weapons are innefectual, or you can be taken out in a single hit, so the Warlocks are superior to the Vorchan (the main Centauri warship). Not to metion, that the Vorchans can't launch or recieve fighters, where as the Warlocks can.
DrMalHarkness 7 months ago
@DrMalHarkness The Vorchan's are lighting up one Warlock and about to obliterate the Warlock that destroyed the one Vorchan. And in case you didn't notice, a Cen ship is already getting the better of that same Warlock. Speed is never useless in war. I would hardly call the Cen weapons inneffectual.
Vorchans don't have fighters. Neither do White Stars.
It looks as if the only reason the Warlock got to take out the Vorchan was coz it got distracted taking out the other Warlock. Ouch!
SardaukarOne 7 months ago
@SardaukarOne I never said that speed was useless, and if you look again, a single shot from the Warlock ripped right through the that Vorchan.
BTW, White Stars are able to carry 3-4 Minbari fighters, and they don't need to be an excellent ship because they are highly manueverable, which usually gets lost when you have a high speed, and the semi-organic hull design deflects most of the damage done to it.
DrMalHarkness 7 months ago
@DrMalHarkness Actually, you did say speed was useless.
And if you look again, the Cen ship destroyed was busy wiping out a different Warlock. If thats the only way for the Warlock to get off a shot, then thats an issue.
If the Warlocks are so great, how is it that they are clearly getting their asses handed to them?
When do we see WS launch fighters in a battle?
The Volchan is a bigger ship, and must be able to have shuttles dock. How do we know they don't have fighters?
SardaukarOne 7 months ago
@SardaukarOne The White Stars are shown to carry fighters in the 5th season at least. Dunno if they turn up anywhere else. Might be something that only some of them do.
Raguleader 7 months ago
@Raguleader With the way the White Stars fly, I find it very hard to believe that fighters can be A) launched in combat B) retrieved in combat.
You are right of course, they have fighters in the awful season 5. But if they can have fighters and shuttles, so can the Volchan's. How else does the crew get aboard if not by shuttle? And if the Volchan can accomodate a shuttle, then they could take on fighters too.
SardaukarOne 7 months ago
@SardaukarOne The White Stars launch their fighters in Hyperspace (maybe on quantum space?) before jumping into theatre, and vica-virsa. And just because a shuttle can dock doesn't always mean that fighters can. All that a shuttle needs is a hatch. Fighters need to actually dock for the pilot, fuel, and weapons. If you go back and watch season 5, most of the time, when the Vorchans are in combat, there's no allied fighter escorts.
And I said speed is useless if there's no hull integrity!
DrMalHarkness 6 months ago
@DrMalHarkness In season 5 the Vorchans were under the control of the Drakh using shadow tech. I doubt they would have wasted a control module on a fighter. Not cost effective.
When WS are in combat, we don't see them launching fighters either.
Why is is implausible for Vorchans to carry a few fighters and use them in the same manner that we see the WS use fighters in season 5? Deep range missions, training etc?
If there is no hull integrity, everything else is useless too.
SardaukarOne 6 months ago
@SardaukarOne The only shadow tech that the Drakhs were using was the organic remotes. If they had other techs, then the would have been destroyed with a single shot!
As for the WS, I said they launch BEFORE JUMPING! And as for the Vorchans, there's no hard points for fighter docking, and given the design, and size, they'd need some kind of hanger like the EA's fighters.
One last thing, do you even remember what the original argument was?
DrMalHarkness 6 months ago
@DrMalHarkness Why waste Shadow tech on fighters? They wouldn't is the answer!
It seems everyone but the EA launches its fighters before jumping.
Yes I do remember. You claim that the Warlock is a better ship than any Centauri warship.
Only if the Warlock is directly facing the Centauri ship would be my assessment.
SardaukarOne 6 months ago
@SardaukarOne Also, if you look at the Vorchan @ :17 to :20 (left one), you'll see that the single blast that it took was of sigificant strenth, as well as when the Starfury collided with the Vorchan that got it's ass handed to it.
DrMalHarkness 6 months ago
@DrMalHarkness And you also see one Warlock getting beasted and the Warlock that took out the aforementioned Vorchan is already getting toasted by another Vorchan on oneflank and with another Vorchan turning to attack. Indeed, its safe to say that the Warlock that took out the Vorchan is itself about to get it's ass handed to it.
SardaukarOne 6 months ago
This what I hate about whats follwed the original Babylon 5 is the way Earth seems to be the main power that everyone must stop if they want to dominate. The Minbari are centurys ahead of Earth Force and the Centauri.
danielqmul 11 months ago
@danielqmul Well, the minbari are, with the exception of almost exterminating humanity that one time, peaceful space-elves. They leave the dicking each other over for more stuff to the younger races. The centauri had their troubles with the drakh, and narn were bombed back to the stone age twice over, which leaves humanity free to expand. Not to mention they have a fairly special place in the space-UN, thanks to Sheridan.
StonemeisterPP 11 months ago
@StonemeisterPP But the Minbari home world is home to the interstella alliance HQ.
danielqmul 11 months ago
@danielqmul Yeah, it seems strange for them not to get involved somewhere down the line if the centauri started throwing their weight around. Still, given the minbari's reclusive nature it doesn't seem strange for the centauri to consider the Earth Alliance the bigger threat, not to mention that if the Warlock is Earthforce's primary destroyer at the point, the minbari's military superiority could be... questionable. Anyway, the political climate could change in 30 years, so we just don't know.
StonemeisterPP 11 months ago
@gasdfw5 I think its a Centauri ship. One of their heavy cruisers. Like the one Londo was in when the Centauri bombed the Narn homeworld; the same type the Centauri Emperors use and the same type that attacked B5.
If you look in the bottom left @ 17 sec, you will see a ship attacking an earth vessel. It has two streams of fire instead of the one used by the regular Centauri warships. Thats Centauri. And thats an earth ship its targeting.
Compare the 2. Its hard to tell because of the angle.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
In the lost tales, I didn't get the part where Vintari was going after Earth because they were the only ones who had stopped the Centauri before.
When did Earth stop the Centauri?
You would have thought they would be going after the Minbari.
In this timeline, I wonder how the Drakh influenced Vintari attacking Earth?
Are they even removed from Centauri Prime?
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne its been a long time since i watched my b5 collection but if im not mistaken Vintari is or was possessed by one of them keepers, and they are spawn of the shadow alliance (drakh critters) and the shadows got beaten and eventually left. Drakh became the new 'evil' race and it was the humans, specifically B5 then ended thier masters so naturally greatest threat.
Like i said its been a few years since i watched my set, i should go brush up on my B5 history hey lol
kineticdeath 1 year ago
@kineticdeath I don't recall Vintari being in anything other than the lost tales. But the point I am making is that by taking Vintari away from Centauri Prime, they are avoiding this future i.e. the Centauri pummeling earth.
In the B5 books dealing with the Drakh and Centauri, I don't remember Vintari in any of them. The Drakh were also able to get people to do their bidding without keepers. With the way Vintari was turning out, I don't think they would have needed a keeper.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne Earth's military. Vorlons are gone, the Minbari and the league had to fight two wars in quick succession (Shadow war and the war against Clark) while earth only fought one and Sheridan did his best to leave the fleet intact and the Alliance always had problems someplace or other. The Minbari also had that civil war between religious and warrior caste and the league was never a powerhouse anyways.
OneT236 1 year ago
@OneT236 I understand that Earth could be a threat now, but when did Earth ever stop the Centauri prior to Vintari attacking them? Which is the reason given for Vintari to attack.
I would add that Centauri Prime had itself been bombed by the Narns and Drazi. They too had taken casualties.
Still, the Minbari would seem to me to be the only ones capable of defeating the Centuari.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@gasdfw5 Ah, I see your issue. It's not anything I'm familiar with, and I've seen a lot of Babylon 5. So I'd put it down to being a new Centauri design from the scant details that I'm able to make out.
ScreamingTc 1 year ago
@gasdfw5 It's an Omega. You can tell by the fact it's got the rotating section.
ScreamingTc 1 year ago
@gasdfw5 yeah thats one of the larger earth troop transports. they're also seen a few times in the series. you can see them in hyperspace in the series 3 episode severed dreams on the way to babylon 5.
cptamazing526 1 year ago
@gasdfw5 unless you were talking about the one in the far distance. i just noticed it on a second viewing. i also have no idea. maybe a transport ship?
cptamazing526 1 year ago
@gasdfw5 its a human ship. its a warlock destroyer, they're the newer replacements for the Omega Destroyers you see in the series.
cptamazing526 1 year ago
i have to say, the performance of the warlocks looks a bit disapointing in this. tho i noticed there not the standard Centari crusers.. I would of liked to see more of the earth centari war just so we could see some of the other new ships in action like the monsoon tempest and typhoon
zebadee277 1 year ago
@zebadee277 I think considering the fact that Human ships were outnumbered 6 to one it is no briner who's gonna win this fight despite 2nd warlock taking down two Century heavy cruisers, (these aren't Vorchan class cruisers they are far bigger beasts) whist its armor is doing a brilliant job reflecting much of the energy away.
In reality EA of the future pass 2280 in Babylon 5 universe is a superpower, way more powerful than Centauri and coming near Minbari power and influence.
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion If the Centauri outnumber the EA 6 -1 and its a no brainer who is going to win this fight, how can the EA be more powerful than the Centauri?
I would add that I can only see one Centauri heavy battleship in the fight scene. The rest of the Centauri ships are Vorchan class, which seem to be the Centauri equivalent of the White Star fleet ships i.e, fast and manouverable with some serious firepower.
Perhaps the lumbering Warlocks are no match for the speed of the Centauri ships?
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@zebadee277 Of All younger races EA manged to advanced its military rapidly and acquire advanced weapon systems be it from shadows or be it from the Minbari, whom they literally blackmailed in to giving them a gravity drive and few other interesting invitations. On the other hand, you need to understand the Centauri aren't weak, their technology is not on pair with that of the Minbari but they are relatively advanced race that once ruled over 100's of worlds in this party of Galaxy.
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion The Centauri are the second oldest race behind the Minbari as far as the younger races go.
The Centuari in my opinion, are the only race that would give the Minbari a legitimate fight, though I doubt they would win. As I understand it, the Centauri also got technology from the Drakh, and they worked for the Shadows. When did the Minbari give EA technology? Blackmailed? In open warfare, the Centauri wiped the floor with the Narns, who at the time, were arguably stronger than EA.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne yeah right, at no point in babylon5 story plot do i see Drakh giving anything to Centauri or the Shadows for that matter. In season 5 you can clearly see that Centauri ships were remotely controlled by Shawdow technology that is the extent of Shadows help. Also did you watch Babylon 5 the Gathering movie, there clearly Centaury complain how they become subservient and are looking to attach themselves to the EA's rapid progress. And Narns were never math for EA.
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion The remote control units are not given to the Centauri by the Shadows, but by the Drakh, who have access to Shadow tech.
The Centauri are introduced as very apathetic in the beginning of the show. They are also accused of having no stomach for war. And they rely on earth for a lot of trade income. A lot changed from the pilot.
Narns didn't need to have rotating ships for gravity, unlike the EA. Which is the only tech I am aware of that was given to the EA.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@micoforion If the EA is stronger than the Centauri, and have more advanced technology as you have stated, how is it they get defeated by the Centauri? Defeated quite handily it would seem!
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne First off, Narn ships had no gravity to start with, they had 0 Gravity environment on broad of their ships, EA ships used centrifuge to gain 1g environment on-board of their ships.
2nd Centauri attacked earth in an surprise attack, if that was even the case as it was only a dream Sheridan had, we don't really know how and why is happened.
3rd. EA never lost war to a Cantauri even in this scene is lets day at best cryptic we see one EA ship going down and we also see same
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion The fight scene we see is not fought above Earth. And if the Centauri have the tech to jump all the way to earth without being detected along the way, they clearly are more advanced than the EA. This is the only way they could have suprised Earth.
Minbari vs EA and Cen vs Narn are both longer campaigns, with homeworld being the last target.
EA never lost a war to the Centauri because the two never fought. Fight scene is cryptic because it contradicts what you are saying.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne In the B5 movie, the beginning, don't EA ask the Centauri for help vs the Minbari.
They are the only ones who had a chance vs the Minbari. They wanted Centauri weapons and tactical support if memory serves me correctly. They ended up getting weapons from the Narns.
Well, if EA weapons and tactics are so good, why do they need Centauris weapons? And tactical support?
Maybe because the Centauri are stronger? That would be my guess! Its the answer that makes the most sense.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne you actually make no sense, I advise you watch the show again and again just in case!
And i remind you of that what Gelen said, the ol power that could take Centauri down.
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion Make no sense in the way that you have made your points despite all evidence to the contrary?
Its Galen, not Gelen.
Why do you keep on ignoring where Sheridan states that Earth can't take on the Centauri? Or that Earth desperately wanted Centauri weapons and help vs the Minbari? Or that the EA is clearly losing in the war with the Centauri?
I don't think the Centauri would run over the EA, but I do think that in any conflict between the 2, the Centauri are the clear favourites.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne oh come on, where is Sheridan saying that, which part of the show, you are making things up as you go :(
EA wanted support from many worlds during the war with the Minbari, but everyone said no, Centauri replied we warned you, also you are getting ahead of yourself by saying that Centauri won anything, we only see a short space battle segment in which one Warlock is taken down but it took another warlock one shot to take down Centauri cruiser.
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion Which worlds did they want support from? What would be the point of asking for help from races weaker than them? You yourself have said that the EA is more powerful than everyone else! If thats the case, who could help them?
The only two races they asked help from were the Centauri and the Narn. In the case of the Narn, they wanted captured Centauri weapons.
I think you should take some of your own advice and watch the show again. You seem to have missed a lot.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne - firepower only Minbari and the first ones could muster! Now i can imagine centauri being more advanced and having more capable ships, but in terms of firepower armor and shear capabilities EA ships are out of league. FFS, Centauri had hard time dealing with the Narns in season 1 and 2, now it took shadow's help to take down quadrant 14 base - season 3 i think. Centauri are powerful but they know they aren't match for the EA therefore sneak attack on earth, it all hypothetical a..
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion I agree that the Shadows kickstarted the Centauri into action. No doubt.
But we learn in the episdoe "And now for a word" that the Narn have lost six out of seven major engagements to the Centauri. And in the episode "The Long Twighlight Struggle", we find out that the Centauri are easily defeating the Narns. Their outposts are lost and their forces are in retreat. And that soon only homeworld will be left. To think they cannot fight is clearly wrong.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
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@micoforion Shadows made things easier for the Centauri, but its pretty clear that the Centauri are more than a match for the Narn.
The Centauri didn't have problems with the Narns in open war. It was when they tried to occupy Narn they ran into problems.
" Now i can imagine centauri being more advanced and having more capable ships, but in terms of firepower armor and shear capabilities EA ships are out of league. "
This makes no sense. You have contradicted yourself. Again!
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
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@micoforion " Now i can imagine centauri being more advanced and having more capable ships, but in terms of firepower armor and shear capabilities EA ships are out of league."
This makes no sense. Either the Centauri ships are more advanced or they aren't. And those big Warlock ship or whatever they are called that you are in love with are getting lit up in the battle scene.
Only you seem to know that the Centauri aren't a match for EA. LOL!
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@micoforion "Now i can imagine centauri being more advanced and having more capable ships, but in terms of firepower armor and shear capabilities EA ships are out of league."
This makes no sense. You have said that the Centauri have more capable ships than EA, but EA ships have more capabilities.
If the Centauri ships are more advanced than EA, how then can EA ships be out of their league.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@micoforion The Centauri clearly are a match for the EA, as evidenced by them wiping Earth out in the Lost Tales. The battle scene is nowhere near Earth. Look at the background. I don't see any bases nearby, so the sneak attack theory is just that. A theory.
All the major campaigns see one sides colonies and outposts being taken out first, with the homeworld usually being last. Narn vs Centauri, EA vs Minbari. Both follow this pattern. Two years for the Minbari to reach earth in fact.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne there you go again, making stupid assumptions, why couldn't the centauri just jump in to Earth's space, as the Narns and Drazi did at the end of season 5. I mean man you are just making things as you go, making assumptions and what not, FFS EA is part of ISA, has alliance with the Minbari and other members of the ISA, attack on Earth would spark attack by the entire ISA on the Centauri, think before you reply. i mean really !!!
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion The Drakh manipulated the attack on CPrime. From start to finish. They negated the Cen defenses and set the Cen up for a fall. The Narn commander, after bombing CPrime, tells Sheridan that they must join forces or be destroyed by the returning Cen fleet. This suggests that without Drakh manipulation, the Cen planet def grid and fleet should have been too strong for the Narn & Drazi. Otherwise its a curious dec to attack. But the Drakh manipulated it all and set the Cen up for a fall.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@micoforion The Cen vs the Narns, the Minbari vs Earth and Sheridan vs Earth all had the attackers taking out colonies and bases before finally moving in on the homeworld. The Centauri and Sheridan both seem to have wanted to take out the enemy military. Even after CPrime is bombed, the Cen military is basically intact. The war could easily have escalated, but for the Drakh. Taking out large civilian centers does not gaurantee victory. The homeworld seems to be left for last in most cases.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@micoforion EA as part of the ISA is more than a match for the Centauri, but EA on its own isn't.
If what you say is true about the ISA helping EA, then that would surely make the Centauri way stronger than EA.
In the Lost tales; they must be fighting the ISA whilst destroying EA. Or perhaps you got it wrong about the ISA? Because from what we can see, its an EA vs Cen only. And that suggests the rest of the ISA don't want to help because the Cen are too strong. Thanks for pointing this out.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne , you are talking utter nonsense now, really!
How can i even bother talking to you when you coming out with such stupid assumptions.
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion Stupid is what you have been spewing out. You have stated a position that has absolutely no credence. All the information, meagre though it is, suggests the complete opposite of what you are saying.
Don't get mad because others are more informed than you are about B5.
Just because you think EA should be the most powerful doesn't mean it is or should be. And it also doesn't mean others have to think the same as you.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne btw i really can't be bothered to talk to you anymore, suffice to say lets agree that we totally disagree and that you won't convince me of anything and vice versa. end off.
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion We were never talking. You were preaching. Not the same.
I wasn't trying to convince you of anything. Just pointed out that your arguements are wrong.
Which I did.
Your answer is pretty much what I expected. Vague, aimless and defiant.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@micoforion I knew you wouldn't answer me re Sheridan saying EA couldn't stand upto the Centauri or other races.
1) To pretend it didn't happen, which is what u are doing, makes u look like an imbecile. And your penchant for telling me to go review the series & me making things up becomes comical.
2) To own up that it did happen, kinda dents your arguement & shows u are wrong.
Find a nice hole in the ground and stick your head in it. Don't confuse said hole with your arsehole.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne hey don't be rude !!!
I've said what i had to say on the matter and conversation has come to an end, you have your views regarding this I have mine, this is the end of argument and my participation in this conversation, now if you persist in being rude i can always report you to the youtube and since they have your IP address...
Again, i am sticking to my views and you are sticking to yours, lets end it on that note.
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion If the conversation has come to an end, why are you still posting?
Last post I was just trying to give u directions. But I guess calling me stupid and inferring i'm a liar(telling the truth) isn't being rude either. :)
Go ahead and report me. It will be like when EA goes running to the Centauri for help vs the Minbari. LOL!
They have my IP address! OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!
U better hope the one you go running to doesn't like B5; coz if they do, they won't like u! :)
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@micoforion Wow, if Sheridan says that EA is no match for the Centauri am I lying?
Still waiting for the Youtube Police to take down my door! LOL!
SardaukarOne 11 months ago
@micoforion Whats the matter? Can't find season 2 of Babylon 5? Maybe Senator Quantrell borrowed it without telling you.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@micoforion Can you confirm, in either the positive or the negative, that Sheridan did indeed say that the Centauri, amongst others, are too strong for EA?
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne where and when??????????
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion I already posted where in the series when Sheridan said that Earth could not stand upto the other races, including the Centauri. I did this in a prior post. You have already stated that you are well versed in the B5 series, so you should surely know where it is, no?
But because you don't know, I will list it again for you.
Season 2, episode 15 : "And now for a word".
Its when the ISN film crew visit the station and when a Narn heavy cruiser fights a Centauri ship at B5.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne again you are full of it, you are just making things as you go, btw did you watch same season coming of shadows episode where B5 zeta squadron destroys Primus battle cruiser. end off...
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion Primus battle ship was targeting a Narn cruiser and B5 also. I seem to remember the B5 defense grid doing most of the damage. Unfortunately, its one on those inconsistencies in B5 that tend to happen without it making much sense.
Did you see the Centauri fleet wipe the floor with EA ships and then flatten Earth in the Lost Tales?
NUFF SAID!
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micoforion 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne thing happening to a Cantauri ship, we can only guess what is happening here, also did you listen what Gelen was saying, why Earth - he replies the elimination of one power that could stop them, clearly indicating a sneak attack - imagine a Pearl Harbor kind of event, this is what I also think JMS was aiming with this movie, than EA would come all geared up and angry - taking the Cantauri down in prolonged tv series if he ever got a go ahead.
Centauri are no match for EA.
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion The Centauri are using weapons that cause devastation on a scale never seen before. Sounds like they are stronger than EA to me.
When did EA ever stop the Centauri?
And if EA are the 'one' power that could stop the Centauri, what happened to the Minbari in the power rankings?
Clearly, the Centauri are more than a match for EA.
I have no idea how you can infer that JMS would have EA take on the Centauri in a tv series.
In the B5 world, the centauri are the stronger.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@micoforion The only true sneak attack ala Pearl Harbor that happened is when the Centauri planetary defense system got turned off and the fleet ordered away by the chancellor.
Otherwise, sneak attacks of this type don't seem possible.
U know, JMS might have wanted a race to suffer a devastating attack to their homeworld, then come back all angry. Except it wasn't earth, it was the Centauri.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@SardaukarOne as in 2nd or 3rd season of Babylon 5 Gkar's asks for EA's help as he believes that among younger races other than Minbari EA are only ones who an stood up to the Centauri, and lets not forget Centauri attacked all the younger races in season 3 and 4, but never dared to attack EA or the Minbari!. On the other hand Humans got Shadow technology, Minabri technology and Excalibur Cruisers were built by EA, what do you think EA did with technological know-how?
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion G'Kar asked for help from the Minbari too. And exactly who else was there for G'Kar to turn to for help? There was no one else.
The EA made a peace agreement with the Centauri. With the Centauri fighting so many wars, who can blame them? Never daring to attack the EA? Yet 40 years later they are wiping the floor with the EA.
What tech did EA get from the Minbari? What? I don't know!
Sheridan, in season 3 states that EA cannot take on the Centauri or the Minbari. Says it all!
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
@zebadee277 Therefore Centari warships were more than match for any warship of the younger races and they made a menace meat of white star in season 4, one where Delen barley survives the encounter with 3 Centauri Vorchan class cruisers. I'd go as far as saying that Centauri are almost as powerful as Minbari or EA, but their ships lack armor and endurance of EA and Minbari ships, Among Younger races there are few who would withstand attack from Minbari or EA fleets, ---
micoforion 1 year ago
@zebadee277 Centauri perhaps in larger numbers might just be able to tip balance in their favor, after all they had more ships than most younger races. At this point around 2301, EA had fewer ships due to the Civil war and subsequent Drakh attack on earth, I estimate EA fleet at 50% consisting of 50 Omega, 160 Warlock Destroyers and around 300 other older and some newer warships coming on-line. At the same time Centauri had at least 6 times as many warships.
micoforion 1 year ago
@micoforion Where are you getting your numbers from? Vintari's attack in like 40 years after the civil war and 30 after the Drakh
In this timeline, the Drakh had yet to be uprooted from Centauri Prime. If i'm not mistaken, its after this that they attack Earth itself. And its the Drakh that fuel the expansionist Centauri policies that fuel Vintari's attack on earth.
This is some speculation on my part, but its to understand why else the techno mage would want Vintari out of the way otherwise.
SardaukarOne 1 year ago
Can someone please just tell me if we, (the loyal fans of the greatest television event in history), have any chance in hell of seeing more from our beloved franchise. I hope for a yes due to the fact that a big budget film was on the cards just before The Lost Tales, which was cancelled for one reason or another, I can take a no but I really hope that we will see more before I die.
thatguywiththeegg 1 year ago 7
rebelionmaniac1 1 year ago
@rebelionmaniac1 si, son centauris vs humanos...que raro
MISANTHROPE00 1 year ago
@MISANTHROPE00 ya era hora de que los centauri de que diera sus pataditas en el trasero a lo humanos
jaja saludos desde mexico
rebelionmaniac1 1 year ago
The grey council demand's more from Babylon 5!
rehtep69 1 year ago
I would love to see more of this battle. There is so much going on you have to exam it twice to get it all.
B5guy 1 year ago 7
I guess the big question to ask is why Earth is the only power that can stop the Centauri Republic, and why the rest of the IA isn't helping them (assuming that the Centauri didn't just launch their Weapons of Redunkulous Destruction on all of the IA homeworlds, rather than just Earth). Earth has been known to be a jerk in the past, so maybe they got themselves separated from the League long enough for the Centauri to single them out?
Raguleader 1 year ago
@Raguleader In the movie it states that "earth was the only major power able to stop the Centauri" ... which is BS, i mean what happened to the Minbari? The oldest of the younger races and the most powerful. Londo stated "Even at out greatest we did not dare provoke the Minbari" ... One has to wonder if JMS just wrote the story this way because a film where Earth is the protagonist would sell better. I mean how many times did the Minbari have to save everyone's asses, in the series? lol
PrimeGodist 1 year ago
@PrimeGodist you assume the Minbari at this point in the time, (later than the series) would get involved with a earth v centauri war. Maybe they have issues of their own at this point, like another civil war with the warrior caste... Just some thoughts
cavok84 1 year ago
@cavok84 The chances for another civil war are fairly slim, the Gray council was reforged by Delenn. But you are right the possibility exists; in the past it was stated that there were three from every cast so that there would be balance, now that the worker caste has the majority in the council the fragile balance might be disrupted.
To the point though, if the Centaury were to lash out (against everyone), the Minbari would be the only ones able to stop them, not the humans. lol
PrimeGodist 1 year ago
@PrimeGodist
You forget that Earth got many minbari technologies espacially weapons and shipupgrades. Dont forget that even if the Victory class was designed by the minbari they were build in earth spacedocks by humans. So you could put Earth and minbari on the same level in those times but whats really confusing is that Earth stands alone because even if other Alliance races don´t help the Rangers would defend any Alliance member and even the Centauri coulnd´t handle Victorys and White Stars
Lionis123 1 year ago
@Lionis123 Well really the only technology the minbari shared with the Humans was artificial gravity, not weapons. The victory class was built in a specially designed spacedock, using eath funds and minbari technology, but it was not meant for the earth alliance it was made to be the first cruiser class for the new ISA.
PrimeGodist 1 year ago
@PrimeGodist
i know that it was made for the ISA but fact is that humans build the ships and so logically the ingeneers had to understand what they do in order to build the ships. that siply leads us to the conclusion that the human ingeneers understand the technology of the Victory class cruisers and that means: Minbari -weapons, defences, engines, artificial gravity...- Vorlon weapons and the earth technology parts.
Lionis123 1 year ago
That's a pretty scary thought Centauri with drakh and shadow tech deciding to "reach out and claim their destiny"
on the other hand the Minbari would deserve everything the Centauri would do to them..fucking bonehead bastards
lordofmyarse 2 years ago
why JMS dont make a new Babylon 5 movie
petrus4321 2 years ago 2
I'd love to see a new B5 movie, especially with updated CGI, showing us the future of the beloved characters.. Unfortunately JMS is apparently very stubborn guy, unable to reasonably negotiate (and compromise) with production studios about his "child" B5 franchise.
voniatko 2 years ago
imangine if they remastered the entire b5 series with the updated CGI that would be awsome.
Crusnik2000 1 year ago
@voniatko
I understand your concerns very well.
But I have to agree with JMS. Babylon 5 was one of the very few TV shows, which has attempted to defend the Judeo/Christian heritage, in its own unique way. It would be very unfortunate if babylon 5 would divert from this path, by advocation of violence, and moral or financial decadence.
I believe that the first ones will be last, and the last ones will be first. Babylon 5 will have a resurrection, and will come back with a big bang.
Goethe121212 1 year ago
@voniatko JMS is an arrogant dickhead, he created brilliant show, but somehow he thinks that he is above everyone else as a result, sorry many in Hollywood do not like to be dictated, and i am not surprised he hasn't been able to get anything done since with B5 franchise.
Just to add, Crusades on the other hand was a worst tv show and poor replacement for Babylon 5.
micoforion 1 year ago
@voniatko well he knows what he wants and doesn't want anything less then the best for it, I can't say I blame him.
MythologicalForce1 10 months ago
@voniatko he doesn't want to make a half-assed project with a low budget like most of these production studios would give him.
i love babylon 5, and i'm with him on this. if it can be allowed to be made right, don't make it at all.
broadsword303 10 months ago
@voniatko would you compromise with a studio who want ti change something you poured your heart, soul and vision into? I don't think that's unreasonable at all.
gilesderoet 10 months ago
@voniatko Because the studios usually want to turn it into something it isn't. Wouldn't you fight tooth and nail to protect something you created from being turned into a mockery of itself?
Fbueller129 8 months ago
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@petrus4321 "why JMS dont make a new Babylon 5 movie"
The studios are unwilling to shell out the necessary money to make a *quality* Babylon 5 DVD movie. They want to do it on the cheap, and JMS refuses to make crappy movies just to make a buck. That's why. And it's a shame. Because there is a market out there. They certainly don't try to make the Stargate DVD movies look like a student film project! And they still make money.
imsiriustube 1 year ago
reason why CR is stronger,Warlock is excellent unit,far stronger then any centauri ships,but in cost of one warlock centauri can build 3-4mybe even 6 of vorchans,and as vorchan is 2 time smaller they can build a lot more then EA can build Warlocks.I can only hope there will be more B5 movies,
Zagoreni 2 years ago
@Zagoreni
perhaps that is true, but it's completely not based on any canon and 100 percent you guessing. Not saying you are wrong, but there is no way to guess at that. Its easiest to just say that given the fact the centauri are much more advanced than the humans through out the series it is unlikely that one advanced ship in limited production will turn the tide of a major war. Although I think the Humans will stand strong against the Centauri in a war.
cavok84 2 years ago
Actually those aren't Vorchans. These Centaur-ships are larger than Vorchans and you can easily spot different kind of engine setup:
Vorchan: Two engines in " - - " formation
These ships: Four engines in " + " formation
kimnice 1 year ago
I think that wether Earth Alliance or Centauri Republic is the stronger force depends on wether or not EA is still a member of the Interstellar Alliance at that time. We can assume that the Centauri Republic isn't, so if the EA is attacked by them, it coud possibly call the other members of the IA as well as the IA's own forces (read: White Star fleet) for aid.
Tarvoc 2 years ago
@Tarvoc True Very True. But Centauri Prime is different from EA and MIMBAR and ISA... These ships cost way more Then the Centauri Ships. When he said 1000 Vorchan class ships its hard for a couple white stars to fight it off... EA would have fallen and IDK maybe Mimbar would of been Next. Those are the 2 Races with Fighting chance..The Narn are Done, and every other Race...plus those ships Look Different so im guessing they are more powerful then the Older Vorchans which still kicked ass
vigorosoPIMPJr 1 year ago
earth alliance is stronger then centauri republic
soviet1970 2 years ago
No it isn't. The Centauri Republic is thousands of years older then the EA, and has many more ships. At the height of it's power even the Minbari wouldn't have purposely sort out a confrontation, and at this point in the possible Future the CR has re-armed and become resurgent, and whilst the Warlocks can hold their own there's obviously not enough of them to hold the line.
ScreamingTc 2 years ago
The Centauri never could have stopped the Minbari. The question is, would the Minbari be willing to engage in a very costly war for both sides?? I think probably not.
I agree that the Centauri is stronger than the EA, but at this time that the battle is shown, EA tech and military has reached a point that it posed a threat to the Centauri, that is why they chose to attack Earth. Even though the Warlocks will most likely be better than other Cent. ships, EA will probably lose in the long run
cavok84 2 years ago
I think you have one point backwards. At the height of the Republic only the Minbari were superior to them. If I recall from the In the Beginning novel, Mollari mentally notes that the one and only confrontation with the Minbari ended with the Centauri Fleet being forced all the way back to Centauri Prime.
Fbueller129 2 years ago
@ScreamingTc not thousands....more like hundreds.
ALBANO2684 1 year ago
The EA would lose, but the Centauri would most likely lose an amazing amount of forces in the battle.
cavok84 2 years ago
This was just a scene of what could happen Galen even said not a future that must happen.
Tellos 2 years ago
i actually just rented lost tales on itunes and saw it first hand. Man, lost tales was very good, even made up for the terrible lotr movie. wish they had the funding for an entire series
cavok84 2 years ago
anyone know if there is any plot to the earth centauri battle we see here? Or didi they never get around to writing it
cavok84 2 years ago
SPOILER:
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This was just a possible future confrontation between Earth and Centauri.. finally it never happened since after the Drakh war there were 100 years of peace.
Still i dont consider the "destruction" after the 1000 years ..that was just plain stupid
sparrowlt 2 years ago
No, this was the future that would happen if Sheriden couldn't somehow convince Centauri Prince Dius Vintari that there were ways other then battle to solve differences. In this alternative future the Centauri went after the humans knowing they were the only race, other then the Minbari, capable of halting their plans for expansion.
Still...kick are battle, huh? ;o)
ScreamingTc 2 years ago
yeah awesome battle, I actually saw the episode a while back on itunes :) thx for the post
cavok84 2 years ago
the new ships look awesome !!
petrus4321 2 years ago
awesome!!
rankcon 2 years ago
it does a bit, i just think nothing beats seeing a warlock cut a centauri ship in half.
L00ny 3 years ago
is it just me or does the centauri fighter look like a deathglider
OriginalRubberJesus 3 years ago 8
the deathgliders from the original movie inspired the design for the sentri fighter.
Valiran9 2 years ago
@OriginalRubberJesus that 1 looks like a cross between death glider and old cylon raider
zebadee277 1 year ago
@OriginalRubberJesus the death glider was designed folling the example of the centauri design LOL
skycaprob 1 year ago