no one in china, maybe except for veterans or something, would consider their government a god....I think this guy is propagating people to hate china
@highbyesky He does not mean "God" in that sense, broaden your mind. If he is propagating against something its CCP not China, there is a huge different.
A very truthful video, so many people under control of CCP can hear the truth, if they open their ears to the world instead of stay put under control of CCP
every1 listen up... i'll give u some facts about Falun Gong because some of the people that comment say bad stuff carelessly. facts: Falun Dafa made tens of millions people better people. Falun Gong is based on the principles of Truthfullness, Compassion and Tolerance. i'll give u some examples about myself and many more: it made me a better person it made me think about others be kinder peacefull non violent non abusive unselfish nicer calm and more..
we have our own?... dont get caught in the ours is better then theirs nonsense? i do falun dafa everday, but its ok to try others... its not the technique that makes the man? information is information, its the way you incorporate it.
@Vega88beats I dissagree from the view of my personal understandnig. Master has clearly pointed out that you can not enter two boats at the same time, in cultivation only one school should be followed. As Falun Dafa practioner you would know that we have our own set of techniques. It is not about ours being better then theirs, it is about only following and cultivating within one school.
@bireal, i agree that falun dafa is a cultivation practice. i have listened to his lectures and i agree and understand your point of view, like master said, if you have an elementary book and go to college you are still in elementary school.
We are living in 21st century. We people are all educated by science. FLG is something invented by a cheater who declared sick people can be cured by FLG without any medical treatment. There are some videos on Youtube showed these. You should watch that then, I am sure you will be shocked by that. Further more, If that be the truth, there will be more people died everyday. Please do not believe FLG!
Why some people judge FLG so quickly? Try it, and than decide - it works or not. For me it works. For a first time I have read the book I was lafing like a kid. I fought that Im reading some kind of scencie fiction.Then I tried cultivate myself. After a few months I understood so many things... I have experienced so amazing, unbelivable things. Now I dont have to even belive in it. I just know it is real, and it is true. Secret is to start culitivate your heart. There is nothing exept you heart.
For those Falun Dafa disciples who claim that they consider Li to only be a great teacher, check out the Falun Dafa video on YouTube called "The eternal story thanks for Master. Li Hongzhi". Just copy those words in YouTube search to watch it. It shows Li floating in the sky as the Buddha and the highest being in the universe. This is a real Falun Dafa video in Chinese. This will show you what Falun Dafa practitioners really believe about Li. This is a video they don't want Westerners to see.
So-called "Master" Li claims to be higher than Jesus and Buddha and says in his book, "If I can't save you, nobody can." He is very full of himself and makes fantastic claims that have yet to be proven. He's not the creator or the highest being but many Falun Dafa disciples belive he is.
Falun dafa Is great it has changed me from a selfish everyday person to a caring and mindful practioner. Zhuan Falun is a precious book with invaluable lessons for not only people but society as a whole. Even if one decides not to become a practioner everyone should include truthfulness,compassion and tolerence in their everyday lives. I thank Master Li for changing my life for the better. Heishi.
Read "Zhuan Falun" for yourself. It is one of the greatest texts ever written. I suspect master "Li Hongzhi" is a clairvoyant. and also took what he learned from other masters and improved and expanded on it like no one else before him. This is not anything like luciferian scientology either. They bankrupt their followers. Falun does not take your money. In fact his books are free online. Making banal comments without offering why you feel falun gong is negative is ignorance at its finest.
A good video! I think those who still think that persecuting a group of innocent people is Normal, they better take a good look at themselves in front of the mirror. I support Falun Gong!
Falun gong could have easily been practiced in China if it wasn't for Li Hong Zhi's ego, all he had to do is follow the law, a very much confucian principal, so he got outlawed, and people have many alternatives for chi cultivation and millions upon millions do practice chi cultivation.
Falun gong is nothing more than 'soft' excercises and meditation, what's the big deal?
what do you mean he didnt follow the law? If you've practiced falun gong than u'll know it's more than soft exercises and meditation. The exercises are useless if you do not improve your xinxing (moral character), the practice is more based on cultivating your moral character rather than a pratice based on doing exercises to keep fit and healthy. No one's forcing people to practice it,there are people who practiced for 10 years and stopped,its ur choice on wat u wana do.
lol, i still don't understand freemasonry after watching a few clips. Maybe a brief explanation could be helpful? I thought the communist party came from paris. But i just want to know what you meant when u said
"chuy605a" you seem to be pretty passionate about slandering Falun Dafa, sounds like you might be affiliated with the Chinese Govrement, if not why do you spend so much time posting long comments about a peacefull practice? dont u have anything better to do?
so just because a radio station supposrts ur point of view, does that mean that they're right? there r tv shows, newspapers that say that we r good but u dont listen to them. just because these things r beyond ur knowledge doesnt make it false. i bet if the kpfa radi station said we're good then u wuldnt believe them because they no longer share that same knowledge u do.
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Pleasee man...what about all the crap that ur group have giving out?? All that news papers, videos, and specially that organs crap. Which when USA and UN send 2 team to investigate and found noting but lies. Unlike your group's media and news paper, at-least the radio have true facts; so does FLG got any proofs of anything they said?? NO!!!
That's the thing we do have the proof, but it's blatantly obvious that you'll just disagree with it just because it came from us right? There have been Candian investigators that have called up hospitals in China. And they asked if they had organs from FLG practitioners, if they didn't have any, they'd get some in two weeks.
Yeah yeah, talk is so cheap, I can do it too. So what happened to the 2 team that UN sent to China and found nothing??? Of course your going to say that the Chinese government give them shit load of money and paid them off hun?? You know what, in reality you can post all you want, it will not change shit. If you really want to save your group, the only way is to be a politician in the government and do something about it, instead of posting to people in youtube.
If Falun believes in Karma then why are they doing this exercise to heal illness and pain? Why are they running away from Karma? All Li's teaching has contradiction, even in his own life. It is another reasons that this is consider a Cult.
if u read zhuan falun u'd know wat u said would be wrong. doesnt heal the illness or the pain just makes the process quicker, because falun stading meditation will cause painthru ur arms and sitting meditation will cause pain thru ur legs thus makes it quicker. through the exercises u still suffer from the pain. the exercises r meant to renew ur energy mechanisms installed in ur body.
Since you believes in Karma, that means the more pain u received the more sin you will burn. Why don't you just burn your self alive then! All that talk about karma an't shit, when you lack the courage to feel more pain ur self! Pain makes a person feels alive so they won't take living for granted. If you don't feel pain then how do you know what is happiness? So what is the point of living if there is no pain!!
You said that wikipedia can be edited by anyone and u said "Wikipedia can be edit by anyone, I could also write some BS to edit the whole thing." But i thought "sumpoorguy" said "ghaddar8, this info is available at WIKIPEDIA . COM, a reliable and unbiased source." So i used the info on there. check on page 10 or somewhere near it.
What..so you think Wikipedia can't be edit by anyone?? Because of editing anyone can change the information into their liking, that is why i never really trust that web site. I alway do my own research. I mean if you do then go ahead.
How am i telling u to join? Read my comments and tell me where it says "u want u to join" or "u hafta join". Im just telling u that the way u think FLG is, is not the way it really is.
If you don't want people to join then why are you kept posting?? Also you claiming stories of "healing" by reading your books with out any proof. If that is not tying to make people joining FLG then your just BSing.
Because u think we are are fake, im just proving to u that we r not. I'm not telling u to join, the point is that if you WANT to join i can help. I keep posting because u keep saying all these un true things about us.
Show me some medical proof that by reading your books it can heal illness! If that is so then people who has cancer can never die?? Are you saying to people not to go to seek medical care when they are sick instead just read your Books?? And who is telling lies here??
It can't heal illness if u practise just to heal illness. It can only have this kind of effect if u r willing to practise cultivation rather than practising to get rid of illness.
Go to this link here and have a read of other people's stories, i can already tell by the way u treat us u'll think that we're telling tall tales.
You are saying it "Can't heal illness, but it can have this kind of effect." Tell me some thing, does that make sense to you?? So you are saying it cannot heal you but just make you think that it's healing. Is that how you believes in things; by reading people's stories?? So do you believe in Bible?; because there are tons of stories all based on other people.
It can heal illness, but it won't work if u cultivate to heal illness, people who cultivate to heal illnesses won't be looked after because they have pursuits and it becomes an attachement, cultivators are looking to get rid of these attachments. People in Dafa cultivate because it's the cultivation they r after not healing illness.
Yes we do believe in the bible, in some of the lectures Master Li has, he sometimes teaches and brings to an understanding of wat Jesus taught.
Then there is no point, I bet Qigong can achieved the same. Chance are Li just copy it and change few step and move and made it into his thing.
In his speech he also said that he was the carnation of a god, do you believe that too? I don't about you but that sounds like a Cult! I don't care about the 5 steps of work out you do everyday, I just don't believe someone like Li who claim to be a GOD and at the same time have people to buy his Books, Cd, Dvds...etc! He is nothing like Jesus!
Qigong can't exactly heal illness if u don't value virtue, qigong wont heal if u just do exercises. Qigong is just another term for cultivation practice, u so the exercises and pass ur tests to becoming a good person. Also Qigong healing clinics can only postpone ur illness or transform it into a misfortune.
Again, basely your saying Falun can heal illness and in your last post you said it cannot. It seems that you don't even know what your talking about. If Qigong bring people so much health problems them why are millions of people still doing it? Like I said you better bring some medical data about Falun; since you are suggesting that Falun Can help heal, otherwise its just BS.What about those people who died because they refuse to seek medical care because they think Falun can heal them?
And where the Hell did you get the information on Qigong postpone illness and transformed into misfortune? Base on UCLA studies, by doing Qigong it gives body strong immune system, more energies and less chance of getting sick. This is based on real facts and studies, so where is your facts about Falun can heal illness and saved lives? And "Stories" are not facts but what people think they claim.
lol, i meant for the people that go to qigong masters that get their illnesses healed, not the ones that practise qigong. Karma HAS to be repaid, if the qigong master heals ur cold, later on that Master will have a cold.
That's y SOME qigong masters will transform the illness because they do not choose to suffer the pain of their patient, expecially if they had cancer.
Wow Karma!!....So from a group of exercises into a religious group. This is another reasons that I don't agree with Master Li, and if your talking about Karma then why did Li in 1997 seek a surgery for his illness? Why can he just take the pain and get the Karma over with it? If he really believes in Karma he should just suffer and embrace death and how come his own exercise?
eliminating karma doesnt only go thru the process of physical pain but mental as well. the purpose of cultivation isnt only to eliminate karma but to enlighten, if u keep dying ur karma is sure to be eliminated but if that happens how r u ever going to cultivate, ur level cannot be raised simply by just dying, u need a master to look after u and u need a certain Fa to guide u(e.g the bible) otherwise u cannot enlighten.
So I guess that "master" is LI him self right? So when your died you will be worshiping master Li. All Li ever did was just copy the ideas of Qigong, Buddha's teaching, and other craps and brain wash you and train you like a dog!! And you never answer my question on why when LI himself had a medical problem; he seeks surgery to end the pain or from dying?? All ur statements are all base on what other told you and you never show me any facts!! U need a life!!
You never show me any facts either. If copying ideas off qigong and buddhist teachings enable you to write a book like Zhuan Falun, then why don't you write one for me and we'll compare the books.
What! So your saying that Li didn't learn qigong when he started ??? Please man, if he never took qigong you think he will created the idea of FLG?? Write a book??? There are tons of people who can write a book, so. Are you saying that just because they can write a book they are GOD!!? Your statement are full of BS and not much support. It seems that you being a FLG member is nothing but sitting in somewhere and replying to an old youtube post, maybe you should get a real life.
sumpoorguy, since you believe in wikipedia so much y don't u look at this. The Constitution of the People's Republic of China states that the "fundamental rights" of citizens include freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to a fair trial, freedom of religion, universal suffrage, and property rights.
There was a story that a FLG disciple went to a Fa conference in Africa and someone was trying to assassinate him. He is one of my mum's friends, this bone below the ankle which allows our foot to move up and and down got shattered from the bullet that went thru boot feet.The doctors were going to amputate the leg but he said no. After a month of practising the exercises and reading our books he was healed. This was recorded
You better show some proof of pictures, because talk is cheap. If you are tell people by reading your book you can stop illness then you better bring some medical data to show the people that this is real. Tying to make people buy book is a with out any proof is a pyramid scheme!!
This FLG group also what members to buy Books, cds...etc. It sound more like a pyramid scheme. I rather join Christan, since they give you the bible for free. Did anyone wonder why Master Li live in NY with a $4000000 house and a big swimming pool???
They give you the bible for free but y do you hafta pay to go to church, everytime you u go there, u hafta slip in a bit of money just to stay there. The books need to be bought because we don't have enough money for the resources to print books, and also to show that you r committed to practice Dafa. How would u know Master Li lived in a 4mil house in NY with a pool?
Divinenite, let's put our differences aside for a moment. Let me ask u sumtin. What made u join Falun Cult in the 1st place? Were u extremely depressed, lost, angry, or really in need of a faith or something to believe in to continue living? Or were u simply paid to support them? What is it?
Does a battle between good/evil and a sense of salvation for mankind appeal to u and make u loyal to ur cult? So regardless of any Falun Cult lies, u still feel obligated to fight their battles?
sumpoorguy, since you believe in wikipedia so much y don't u look at this. The Constitution of the People's Republic of China states that the "fundamental rights" of citizens include freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to a fair trial, freedom of religion, universal suffrage, and property rights. Where is the freedom of speech? or freedom of religion? Go to the human rights section of People's Republic of China.
Wikipedia can be edit by anyone, I could also write some BS to edit the whole thing. This FLG is just another rip off of Qi Gong, you buy books and cds so that the money can go to Master Li who live in a $400000 and plus. If he don't care about money why did he just give away his money to poor people??
So just because a government said that we're evil, does that really make us evil? If he said u were pure evil, and everyone started throwing rocks at you, how would u feel? Does that really make YOU evil? Wouldn't u want to stand up for ur rights?
You know, most engineers are genuinely educated and objective when it comes to debates. With the comments by sumpoorguy, I really thought it was just a poor guy. "U're weak, I'm know it, and most importantly - u know it. U can't win me...haha" WTH? An engineer, for real?? Thank goodness I know other EEs before reading the comments; otherwise I would think EEs are ignorant, immature, and egotistic people.
Interesting. FLG's goal is to undermine China's stability? What exactly would FLG gain if this goal was to be achieved? China will always be China, but it will not be at its greatest with the Communist Party. History has already showed that Communist does not work. China is great for its people; not for its government.
FLG's goal is to expose the bad things they have done in the past so they could stop the persecution. We never done any of these things b4 they persecuted FLG disciples, first it began witha protest because it was banned, as soon as we had an agreement Jiang ZeMin said for us to be crushed and said we'd bring the end of China later we got imprisoned and tortured.
sumpoorguy, about the alien thingy, how many people on this earth has seen UFOs, and other flying objects unknown to man. There have been alot of cases, but humans are too ignorant over these things and cant accept them because it is beyond their knowledge. Just because science hasn't discovered them doesnt mean that they dont exist.
can u please give me the address that gives you all these information,it would be interesting to know who is behind this website.besides even if they do exist in that scale, they are persecuted somehow but of course no as much as falun gong.and why is ccp so afraid of flg.they are the most peaceful protesters that the HOLE world have seen.of course china too.but not according to ccp.there are videos here that verify my words
ghaddar8, this info is available at WIKIPEDIA . COM, a reliable and unbiased source.
The comments wont allow me to post the website address here, but u can goto WIKIPEDIA . COM and search for "List of religious populations." Then look at each religion by country (China).
Hopefully u can reach enlightment without Falun Cult practices, growin a "third-eye", or usin ur supernatural powers. Have fun wit ur research:) Ur welcome!
oh...so they get their (reliable) facts from ccps majority,how reliable is that?and besides the third eye is already discussed in science.its just that its not proven in a scientific way.and their is a structure of an eye inside every human head,believe it or not.science does, but of course they have their own theory about it.thats why it has always been called believing and insight.thats why u cant prove it concretely.
ghaddar8, u're not in denial r u? Cause it seems like ur not convinced by facts, but prefer Falun Cult progaganda. U can also find this at the CIA World Factbook, as if Wikipedia is not a good enough source already.
But I urge u try to listen with an open-mind, and stop referring to ur biased Falun Cult sources.
But I think at this point in ur cult practices, even if mASSter Li told u in person FLC is a cult, u still would be in denial.
ghaddar9 said, "...and besides the third eye is already discussed in science.its just that its not proven"
Man, u make me laugh real hard, haha. Sure, alot of things are discussed in science and is not proven. That's why those things don't hold good arguments in science. Science is about proving ur hypothesis w/ measurable/verifiable data. Pseudo-science like Falun Cult beliefs does NOT equate to science. Comprenday?
Hundreds of years ago all the Chinese knew that the third eye existed that's how the theories came about of how it works and stuff.
Even decades ago, near 1950s when my dad was still in China at young age. His mum told him to mess with the cultivators because they will give u a hard time if you muck around with them, it's only because they did not know how to cultivate their moral standards and be tolerant of other people's behaviour.
"ALL" the Chinese?? Where did you get your information?? Were you there too?? All your informations are given by someone else, you have no real facts. If this is how FLG members are then its show how blind FLG members are.
have u seen that movie apocalypto?if yes,look at that guy who was offering diffrent people to the gods,taking peoples heart and cutting their heads off and saying all kind of madness just to convince the people that he is doing whats right for the people and how the crowed believe his lies.
Brainwashed ghaddar8, speakin of movies - ever saw American History X?
If so, remember Derek, a member of the Neo-Nazi group, that was so convinced the Nazi was representin a righteous cause he brainwashed others into the Nazi movement? But then he realized he has been manipulated and brainwashed himself.
Parallels to a modern Falun Cult today huh? Do u want to brainwash others into an evil falun cult too? Btw, dat was a great movie.
again calling flg a cult without reading anything about it.just listening to what ccp have told you.man,plz try not to c me as an enemy,try to debate this subject as a mature person,i dont care how u look at me,its not important,but you have to start realizing that i realy care for you,im not getting paid to do this,u dont have to practice or believe in flg,im asking you to c things through your own eyes.if u just stop reading their news and listening to their lies for a while,just try it man.
ghaddar8, I appreciate ur concerns and that's why i'm trying to knock some sense into u to save u from this Falun cult. I don't see u as an enemy, but as some1 who is confused, lost, and manipulated by FLC. And y do u regress to makin an argument against the CCP when i present u with objective/verifiable sources? I've noticed that's what all Falun Cult supporters resort back to when they fail to win an the debate - attack the CCP.
Every point u mention, my rebuttals just squashes ur arguments.
ok now u sound more like a mature person.but still u have to be more neutral.i promise that you will understand me better after that you have seen the video where ccp fake the flg burning seen.i only ask you to think more as if you are neither an enemy or a friend to both flg and ccp.i really appreciate your improved language.
Hmm, be neutral. ghaddar8, u should really take ur own advice for once. How can I be neutral when I know, for a fact, Falun Cult is a cult that hurts people? For example, it's like if u saw a rapist that raped ur mom. How can u be neutral when u know the rapist is committing a crime and hurting ur mom? Ur natural reaction might make u wanna do something right? Or u can stand there a be neutral and accept the penetration.
who is raping who????why cant these incidents and news and accidents happen out side of ccp owned country?why havent all falun gong practitioners burned themselves yet?why arent other countries having problem of that kind?
Im asking you for the last time.i've wasted a hole lot of time on this debate,and im really starting to believe that hope is over for you.if you dont wanna believe me or even your own eyes then its obvious thing that you are completely brainwashed
ghaddar9, u don't seem to understand. They don't happen in other countries, cuz that's not wat Falun Cult's goal is. It's goal is to undermine China's stability. Not US, not UK, but China. If this happened in the US, this cult would be banned. But they also receive political support from the US, so y go against the US, right?
Yes, this is exhaustin and wasting time becuz I have to talk to u like a 5 yr. old. But even the 5 yr olds have higher logic than u.
ghaddar9, u don't seem to understand. They don't happen in other countries, cuz that's not wat Falun Cult's goal is. It's goal is to undermine China's stability. Not US, not UK, but China. If this happened in the US, this cult would be banned. But they also receive political support from the US, so y go against the US, right?
Yes, this is exhaustin and wasting time becuz I have to talk to u like a 5 yr. old. But even the 5 yr olds have higher logic than u.
Y not go against the US? bcause they have done nothing to hurt our practitioners. Such simple answers to ur weak questions. The right answer is not always the most complicated one. How come we didn't do this b4 the persecution? coz there were no problems until now. If they didnt persecute us this debate wouldn't of existed.
ghaddar8, ok, if u need me to clarify again - I will. I was using an analogy that an evil rapist screwing ur mom is like the evil Falun Cult hurtin its followers. It's hard to be neutral when ones in that situation right? Of course, I didn't actually mean ur mom, that's an example, u know what I'm saying?
i havent seen anyone getting hurt by falun gong ever.and no falun gong practitioner have been hurt outside of china.now tell me.Why do you believe in ccp that badly?and how can you defend them after what they have done to the students in tiananmen square 1989?
ghaddar8, u haven't seen anyone hurt by Falun Cult yet. Cause u're trapped in ur own little world and resisting truth and reality. And I like how u want to try to divert the Falun Cult vs. CCP debate, by using the redherring fallacy of Tian. Sq 1989. Nice, but not going to work. I'm smarter, stronger, and more good lookin than u. U're weak, I'm know it, and most importantly - u know it. U can't win me...haha
ghaddar8, hold my hand, follow me my child. Let me guide u outta the Falun Cult life of evilness, misery, stupidity, and lies. Together we'll ascend to the cosmos and meet our ...alien friends and David Coppefield! OMG, this is too easy.
you know,science have already discovered that humans only use about 7 or 10% of their brains.and they know that this universe is boundless,and they know that their exists many other dimensions that cant be seen by the human eye.doese that sound so simple to you?is life and the universe really that limited as you thought?we still have much to learn.try not to be so negative cause everything is possible.the future will show.
ghaddar8, do u know how pathetic u sound tryin to make a reference between ur Falun Cult fairytales and true science? I'm an Electrical Engineer, so that's y my arguments sound more analytical and reasonable that ur brain-dead fallacies. And no, aliens did not teach me engineering like what ur mASSter Li suggested. U're comparing apple to grapes. Science to fairytales. Don't u think that's kind of childish to justify aliens r takin over the human mind?
look you dont have to believe in falun gong,in a matter of fact im not trying to convince you in my believe neither,all that i've been telling you since the beginning of this debate is that ccp is lying to chinese people and they are killing everyone who they consider a threat and telling everyone lies about it.and you should not choose their side cause that will make you one of them,a murderer.and please watch my hole video for further argument.
ghaddar8, I've seen part 1 of the Falun Cult propaganda video, and I really don't have to see the rest of the lies. It makes me sick to my stomach watching Falun Cult spread lies, and pretend the self-immolation was fake, when it was actually Falun Cult followers who were hurt and died. U've became a braindead robot w/ no conscience & logic listenig to this evil cult, ghaddar8. It' sad.
ok now u understand that when someone sees the horrible truth they always refuses to see more.but gradually you will accept it and maybe forget it or maybe ignore it and wish you never saw it because thats whats happening to you right now no matter how much u still deny it,ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOU HAVE SEEN CAUSE NO FALUN GONG PRACTITIONERS HAS EVER BURNED THEMSELVES!!!
If we didn't have a conscience we'd be listening to the CCP right now. It is because the people in China don't have a conscience, they just follow watever the government says, not rethinking about whether wat he says is right or wrong.
Your problem is that u dont believe anything beyond ur knowledge, that's y scientists cannot make advancements in science. It is because they are afriad of what other people will think of them if they show something that ordinary people cannot comprehend beyond their knowledge.
ghaddar8, I'm a very understanding and sympathizing person. And of course I am mature. I view all Falun Cult followers as a child of my own. U know how kids sometimes are naive, lack moral, and some r stupid, too. I don't blame them, I say to myself, "why r they like that?". Perhaps they r lackin guidance and their parents neglected them.
So like any parent, I would guide my Falun Cult children OUT of the evil Falun Cult by revealing the Truth. I'm glad we are havin this healthy talk my son.
now you are not sounding so mature anymore.and still calling falun gong for a cult and evil without reading the books of falun gong.HOW CAN YOU EVEN ARGUE ABOUT SOMETHING WHEN YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS?its like hating something just because someone told you that its not good.and you blindly believe this someone as if he is your owner.now that is when someone is brainwashed.
ghaddar8, it's quite the contrary. I have read the Falun Gong translated text, and it's silly. That's why I posed to u the David Copperfield and supernatural power questions that u've avoided so far. In da Falun Gong text, he states a Copperfield walking thru the Great Wall as supernatural powers? 3rd Eye seeing 1000's miles away & thru walls. So u believe this?
And PLEASE get back to me about how u feel about that clown, mASSter Li, believing in alien invasions that u PROMISED me. See, 1 of ur main deficiency is u assume too many things. U assume Falun Cult is good, u assume it's not a cult, u assume I don't read the FC text. When in fact I have.
Do u even kno what a cult is? If u do, I don't think u'll can really defend Falun Cult and that clown Li.
it will be a veeeeery long conversation if we talk about this invasion.i dont find what master Li says impossible.its just that your thinking of aliens such as the ones that you c in sci-movies.of course its not that kind of invasion.aliens means difrent people,we believe that they exist and like master li said,they want the human body so they can be able to cultivate to a higher level.you have such body,i think you should appreciate it.
ghaddar8, no, u don't know what i'm thinking. I'm not thinking about sci-fi aliens. I already told u, ur mistake is ASSuming too many things. Haven't u learned yet? Ur a joke.
U're definitely a diehard Falun Cult propaganda member. When u agree w/ aliens introducin modern science (planes, computer) to humans, overtakin the human mind, aliens replacing humans - need I say more? Everyone knows ur mental health is somewat luny. And of course, David Copperfield possessing supernatural powers?
Regarding your DC and supernatural power questions - i believe no one here can answer these to your satisfactory - why ? in my opinion since it is "supernatural" i afraid no human languages at this moment can paint the full picture to your brain (Of course, if there is one will work then you need to check your brain whether can take it ) So ,sumpoorguy, stop playing with words. You need patient and do the real work by reading Zhuan FaLun to understand the profound meaning in it.
Hey ghaddar8, I've seen just pt. 1 of the self-immolation video. Remember ur advice, "be more neutral." Wow, that was a totally pro-Falun Cult video from the get-go. And there were so many weak points of arguments, I dont even know where to start. But for 1, they said CNN did not film nething? That's funny, cause that CNN article on CNN website, stated the cameraman taped it. Now who's lying to who? C'mon, if u was smart, u'll re-edit or pull that video down so u wont contradict urself:)
sumpoorguy, you just don't see it do u? you just look at a government controlled newspaper, and expect it to be true? Of course a newspaper like that will never say bad things about them. Y do u think it's called GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED, if you just take a step back and not take anyone's side, u'll actually be able to see people dying from torture.
Divinenite, wow, is it officially Falun Cult propaganda season already? The divine Falun Cult mASSter Li, believes in alien introducin modern science/technology and tryin to conquer Earth and control the human body. And he believes David Copperfield possess supernatural power. And he believes he the God of all God.
Need I say more? Try tellin dat to a jury, u might very well win an insanity plea if u actually believe that garbage.
I totally agree with you (Sumpoorguy)about "Master Li" he also claims that he is God and by following him the people will be saved from hell. This also sounds like Heaven's Gate group.
chuy605a, well it seems that ONLY the people in China think like this. Just about 95%+ people overseas don't think this way, especially chinese people. Some still think like you because they prob came like a few months ago. If people can get cured from cancer just by reading our book i don't see any harm in that.
Just me??? Then how come Li tells his follower to not seek medical treatment, because its Karma. Then in 1998 he himself had to have a surgery to fix his own problems. What kind of message is he sending?? So you claim that your books can heal illness?? Is there any proof of that??? I bet you have NONE.
Just think about it, when Jesus first came to this Earth didn't people think of him like this as well? Didn't they torture him because they thought they went too far with teaching an upright practice? Just because u don't believe it doesnt mean it's not true
chuy605a, yeah, these Falun Cult members, or robotz, lost all sense of reason and conscience. Again, if u believe David Copperfield has supernatural powers, alien invasions and takeover of human bodies, and mASSter Li pulling rabbits outta his ass - that explains ur mental instability. And y u're a die-hard fanatic of Falun Cult.
I urge all cult memberz to seek therapy and thank me later. U're welcome.
If you say we're the robots y do u listen to everything the government says? Do u ever make up ur own mind or do u just go with watever he thinks is right? Do u ever try to differ whether wat he says is right or wrong? I say most people in mainland China are robots because they think watever he does or says is right.
So you don't?? You follow and do what ever your Leader "Master Li" tells you to do and that does not count as robot?? He believes in Aliens so you also believe in his words then. If he ask for money I bet you will give him your money. You have no control of your life, all I see is you promoting FLG.
Divinenite, there's people who listen to their mASSter Li, people who listen to their govt., and then there's people like me - free-thinking, free-spirited, and handsome good-looking gentleman. Just reply to my sanity test, let me see how mentally fit u r.
1. Do u believe David Copperfield have supernatural powers?
2. Do u believe mASSter Li can levitate and see through walls?
3. Do u believe aliens r invadin and tryin to control the human body?
Because the principles are that u cannot interfere with ordinary human society, using supernormal abilites. Master Li really did do that, then evryone would come to practice FLG, not because they want to change their heart but because they ant to gain supernormal abilites
The law in human society cannot decide whether we are a cult or not. That is an individual's decision, if you think that we are crazy for believing in Buddhas then im sure u r pretty close to satanism since they believe in demons.
The Branch Davidian, a cult based in Waco, TX, USA, was raided by ATF and federal agents 1993. The Davidians' leader, David Koresh, believe he was the final prophet. He sexually abused members, some just kids, stockpiled illegal arms preparing for apocalypse, and preached the US govt. is the enemy.
Now, he's just following his Christian faith, he's NOT crazy. We can't judge him. R u kiddin me?! He's a total nut! Modern case of the US government intervening to halt this evil cult.
I guess this is just going to go on like this forever. There will be people that will believe that we're good and people that'll believe that we're bad. If it was actually bad then this cultivation practice would not of expanded, this cultivation practice would have already been over.
Divinenite said, "law in human society cannot decide whether we are a cult or not." Isn't this the most idiotic statement a Falun Cult propagandist made so far. So who decides? Ur mASSter Anal Li?
It's like sayin, Divinenite just had sex w/ his dog today. That's bestiality. But Divinenite reasons, it's not bestiality, I just like f*cking animals.
If it looks like bestiality, smells like bestiality - IT IS BESTIALITY.
Maybe u missunderstood when i said ""law in human society cannot decide whether we are a cult or not." i meant the government not the people. The government cant decide.
Divinenite, no dummy. I did NOT misunderstood u. The government can't decide? Well, it did. And that was not in China, but America, too!
Branch Davidian cult was raided by United States ATF and federal agents for the well-being of its US citizens. So we don't have a delusional leader like mASSter Li or David Koresh, manipulating the weak&confused.
R u suggesting u support the Branch Davidian cult?
ghaddar8, remember the movie American History X, I told about? Think about the message.
Some things i have to ask u again:
1. U agree with Falun Cult members burnin themselves at Tian. Sq?
2. How do u argue against CCP perscuting religious groups, when there's Buddhism, Christanity, Islam, etc. with millions of followers coexisting peacefully within China?
3. U actually agree with mASSter Li's alien invasion?
no flg practitioners burns themselves,its fake,the video that shows this will soon be available on you tube.i had to divide it into 3 parts
i agree about the persecuting because we have comunities here that have connections to persecuted groups of china of all kind.and they tell us whats happening to them.they are not flg.tibetans and religious groups
i know nothing about this alien invasion.master li never talked to us about such thing but i will answer that later,i promise
Fake, staged, fabricated - I heard it all. But the truth is, it did happen. CNN camera operator and producer got footage of the incident and witness those bodies burning. Jeremy Page of Reuters later even interviewed the survivors with real scars and injuries, yet to u claim this is fake?
Ur 3 pt. video, is that from ur Falun Cult friends? Lies and deceit cannot prevail truth my friend...
ghaddar8, please get back to me about Falun Cult, mASSter Li's alien invasion obsession. U promise right? Pinky promise? I understand if u don't want to respond to that, cuz there's no way a sane person can support his bogus claims.
I posted the TIME interview b4, but in case u've missed it, here u go:)
time . com/time/asia/asia/magazine/1999/990510/interview1.html
sumpoorguy, that nazi comment pretty mcuh represents the CCP. Since the actions of the nazis back then and the CCP now have similar goals. CCP are trying to brainwash us so we will stop believeing in FLG.If u think u r a good person than u would not have said that was a good movie.
Divinenite, Falun Cult in contrast to the evil Japanese Aum Shinrikyo cult. Both cults shares similiar traits - charismatic self-proclaimed Godly leaders, both claim levitation (Aum proven false) & supernatural powers, salvation from apocalypse thru their teachings, encouraged destruction of governments (CCP/Japanese).
In the end, Aum cult carried out deadly subway sarin gas terrorism. Falun Cult followers committed self-immolation and 1000's of followers died from medical deprivation.
But their teachings were not righteous that's y it didn't spread as wide as FLG, we r not after profit or personal gain. Only righteous practices like Islam, Christianity and Catholicism can dominate the sidely paths because they r upright.
We don't brainwash people, in Zhuan Falun it says that changing people's hearts is the same as doing a bad deed. Because forcing someone to practice will not enable them to truly cultivate since their hearts rnt in it, rarely anything he's forced to do will count.
If Zhuan Falun don't brainwash people then why are you tying to tell people to join?? By telling people to join FLG over and over again it's a form of brainwash, which you "Divinenite" are tying to do.
we don't tell people to join, if u read thru my posts. i said that forcing people to join is the same as doing a bad deed. If a Dafa practitioner ever does that u need to tell them that.
Communist China would not stop persecuting falun dafa, simply because it does not want to see its people become "good". Evil government comosed of good people? No way!
suicidal nuts.hmmmm sounds like you are talking about ccp.come on man wake up from all these lies and release yourself from their madness.why would a guy like me ,from lebanon,hate ccp?why kill my self?have you ever asked yourself?have you ever wondered deeply in your heart if you have been tricked by ccp propaganda you hole life?Think again
Exactly, why kill myself? That's what I've been asking and wondering for all the Falun Cult members that jumped off buildings, cut open their own abdomen to find the 'spinning wheel', and set themselves on fire in Tiannamen Sq. Why?
You should ask yourself those questions u posed to me, but with regards to the Falun Cult. And maybe you'll achieve a new level of enlightment. And while you're at it, u should clean the shit from your nose from all that ass your kissin' for the Falun Cult:)
I've been reading the books and doing the exercises for years now, and it's brought nothing but good things to my life. But this persecution - whether you accept the tenets of Falun Dafa or not, surely everyone has to agree that killing and torturing people for their religion is a crime that should be stopped?
Zhinshampoo, no it doesn't show that. Killevilness is just revealing the hypocrisy of the Falun Cult and creating an awareness to everyone else so they don't fall into this trap and end up hurting themselves or close friends/family around them.
And it shows that you are unintelligent enough to comprehend Killevilness' simple message. I hope my elaboration on what his comment means helped u understand. You're welcome:)
NO you don't help and complicate matters and you're not welcome "sumpoorguy". I hope you're getting a fat check from the Chinese embassy. YOu seem to spend good amount of time working posting your sticking comments. CUMMUNIST!
zhinshampoo, the matter at hand is simple and not complicated at all. U're just confused and not intelligent enough to comprehend the Falun Cult hypocrisy. Or maybe u are, but u're in denial?
I'm not welcomed? What r u? The Communist Party? haha
Let's be honest, this isn't about Falun Cult, persecution, practice of belief, etc. It's about an Anti-China, Anti-Communist movement, but Falun Cult is just a front for it. Any sane person sees right through this magic trick.
sumpoorguy, if u think u r the only sane one seeing through this magic trick than the entire world is insane because just about everyone desn't think like this. And it is about the persecution, because b4 the perseuction none of ths happened. Does the government really hafta say that it's good in order for it to be good? This shouldn't become an argument, just a sharing of each others thoughts. Always think of others first.
Divinenite said, "the entire world is insane because just about everyone desn't think like this." When r u gonna stop with u Falun Cult propaganda? U're n
Falun Dafa is very good!
IamJohnna 1 year ago 5
the communist party is god?
no one in china, maybe except for veterans or something, would consider their government a god....I think this guy is propagating people to hate china
highbyesky 1 year ago
@highbyesky He does not mean "God" in that sense, broaden your mind. If he is propagating against something its CCP not China, there is a huge different.
BiReal 1 year ago
A very truthful video, so many people under control of CCP can hear the truth, if they open their ears to the world instead of stay put under control of CCP
pimjaik 1 year ago
1shimi 2 years ago
I second that, Falun Dafa changed my life.
On the surfaced it has turned me to a better man, on the inside it has raised me to a whole new understandning.
Why one must slander our teacher without any experiance i do not know, we as Dafa diciples only strive to improve ourselves and do good in society.
BiReal 1 year ago
hi i like to welcome you to my page. there are some great qi gong breath exercises to try. let me know how it goes.
herb
Vega88beats 1 year ago
I thank you for the invite, though since i belong to the school of Dafa we have our own Qigong techniques.
Have a good day!
Regards /Billy.
BiReal 1 year ago
we have our own?... dont get caught in the ours is better then theirs nonsense? i do falun dafa everday, but its ok to try others... its not the technique that makes the man? information is information, its the way you incorporate it.
herb
Vega88beats 1 year ago
@Vega88beats I dissagree from the view of my personal understandnig. Master has clearly pointed out that you can not enter two boats at the same time, in cultivation only one school should be followed. As Falun Dafa practioner you would know that we have our own set of techniques. It is not about ours being better then theirs, it is about only following and cultivating within one school.
BiReal 1 year ago
@bireal, i agree that falun dafa is a cultivation practice. i have listened to his lectures and i agree and understand your point of view, like master said, if you have an elementary book and go to college you are still in elementary school.
herb
Vega88beats 1 year ago
We are living in 21st century. We people are all educated by science. FLG is something invented by a cheater who declared sick people can be cured by FLG without any medical treatment. There are some videos on Youtube showed these. You should watch that then, I am sure you will be shocked by that. Further more, If that be the truth, there will be more people died everyday. Please do not believe FLG!
go7school 2 years ago
Why some people judge FLG so quickly? Try it, and than decide - it works or not. For me it works. For a first time I have read the book I was lafing like a kid. I fought that Im reading some kind of scencie fiction.Then I tried cultivate myself. After a few months I understood so many things... I have experienced so amazing, unbelivable things. Now I dont have to even belive in it. I just know it is real, and it is true. Secret is to start culitivate your heart. There is nothing exept you heart.
vayha79 2 years ago
fuck fa lun gong
gumojiutu 2 years ago
For those Falun Dafa disciples who claim that they consider Li to only be a great teacher, check out the Falun Dafa video on YouTube called "The eternal story thanks for Master. Li Hongzhi". Just copy those words in YouTube search to watch it. It shows Li floating in the sky as the Buddha and the highest being in the universe. This is a real Falun Dafa video in Chinese. This will show you what Falun Dafa practitioners really believe about Li. This is a video they don't want Westerners to see.
pathoftruth1 2 years ago
So-called "Master" Li claims to be higher than Jesus and Buddha and says in his book, "If I can't save you, nobody can." He is very full of himself and makes fantastic claims that have yet to be proven. He's not the creator or the highest being but many Falun Dafa disciples belive he is.
pathoftruth1 2 years ago
Falun dafa Is great it has changed me from a selfish everyday person to a caring and mindful practioner. Zhuan Falun is a precious book with invaluable lessons for not only people but society as a whole. Even if one decides not to become a practioner everyone should include truthfulness,compassion and tolerence in their everyday lives. I thank Master Li for changing my life for the better. Heishi.
eroddy84 2 years ago
Read "Zhuan Falun" for yourself. It is one of the greatest texts ever written. I suspect master "Li Hongzhi" is a clairvoyant. and also took what he learned from other masters and improved and expanded on it like no one else before him. This is not anything like luciferian scientology either. They bankrupt their followers. Falun does not take your money. In fact his books are free online. Making banal comments without offering why you feel falun gong is negative is ignorance at its finest.
annunnemesis 2 years ago
fa lun gong is a joke, just like stupid scientology
tubeyourfairy007 2 years ago
Falun Dafa is great!!! If it where a joke, then why would the Chinnese government do what it is doing?
elijahbleu1 2 years ago
A good video! I think those who still think that persecuting a group of innocent people is Normal, they better take a good look at themselves in front of the mirror. I support Falun Gong!
gfs2509 3 years ago 2
Falun gong could have easily been practiced in China if it wasn't for Li Hong Zhi's ego, all he had to do is follow the law, a very much confucian principal, so he got outlawed, and people have many alternatives for chi cultivation and millions upon millions do practice chi cultivation.
Falun gong is nothing more than 'soft' excercises and meditation, what's the big deal?
colopity 3 years ago
what do you mean he didnt follow the law? If you've practiced falun gong than u'll know it's more than soft exercises and meditation. The exercises are useless if you do not improve your xinxing (moral character), the practice is more based on cultivating your moral character rather than a pratice based on doing exercises to keep fit and healthy. No one's forcing people to practice it,there are people who practiced for 10 years and stopped,its ur choice on wat u wana do.
Divinenite 3 years ago
Find out what law is, who backs the communism and mind control, it's all related here. Coming out of freemasonry.
colopity 3 years ago
lol, i still don't understand freemasonry after watching a few clips. Maybe a brief explanation could be helpful? I thought the communist party came from paris. But i just want to know what you meant when u said
"all he had to do is follow the law"
I just want to know what law he broke.
Divinenite 2 years ago
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Chinese is my mother tongue,
Lemme translate some of Lee's "truths" to you in English:
1. "If you look at our hair VERY CLOSELY, there's actually a city with trains running"
2. "We got white, black, asians, and different kinds of people on Earth, in the space there are a tons more colors of human, even FLOWER people"
3. if you practice Falun Dafa you can think with your HEELS, not brain.
4. Aliens kno they can never escape, so they marry rural girls.
These are tip of an iceberg
ccccwwwwc 3 years ago
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Calling all fellow followers:
我这个法轮大法修炼一段时间后，表面上看会有很大改观，皮肤变细嫩，白里透红，年岁大的皱纹会减少,许多老学员知道这一点。而且,老妇女还会再来月经，因为性命双修功法，需要经血来修你的命。会来月经，但不会多，在现阶段有那么一点点，够用就可以了，这是一个普遍现象。不然的话，你缺少它怎么去修命？男子也是，老年的都会感觉到一身轻,很会射精。真正修炼的人，都会感觉到这种变化。
Master Li Hog Shit, CEO of FUCKLUNGONG Company.
MasterLeeHZ 3 years ago
nuts
DrJaspherson 3 years ago
"chuy605a" you seem to be pretty passionate about slandering Falun Dafa, sounds like you might be affiliated with the Chinese Govrement, if not why do you spend so much time posting long comments about a peacefull practice? dont u have anything better to do?
impaler999 4 years ago
link to me where u got the information that Master Li had surgery in 1997.
Divinenite 4 years ago
It was on kpfa radio station in USA, they expose what the FLG people do and why they consider them as a Cult.
chuy605a 4 years ago
so just because a radio station supposrts ur point of view, does that mean that they're right? there r tv shows, newspapers that say that we r good but u dont listen to them. just because these things r beyond ur knowledge doesnt make it false. i bet if the kpfa radi station said we're good then u wuldnt believe them because they no longer share that same knowledge u do.
Divinenite 4 years ago 5
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Pleasee man...what about all the crap that ur group have giving out?? All that news papers, videos, and specially that organs crap. Which when USA and UN send 2 team to investigate and found noting but lies. Unlike your group's media and news paper, at-least the radio have true facts; so does FLG got any proofs of anything they said?? NO!!!
chuy605a 4 years ago
That's the thing we do have the proof, but it's blatantly obvious that you'll just disagree with it just because it came from us right? There have been Candian investigators that have called up hospitals in China. And they asked if they had organs from FLG practitioners, if they didn't have any, they'd get some in two weeks.
Divinenite 2 years ago
Yeah yeah, talk is so cheap, I can do it too. So what happened to the 2 team that UN sent to China and found nothing??? Of course your going to say that the Chinese government give them shit load of money and paid them off hun?? You know what, in reality you can post all you want, it will not change shit. If you really want to save your group, the only way is to be a politician in the government and do something about it, instead of posting to people in youtube.
chuy605a 2 years ago
If Falun believes in Karma then why are they doing this exercise to heal illness and pain? Why are they running away from Karma? All Li's teaching has contradiction, even in his own life. It is another reasons that this is consider a Cult.
chuy605a 4 years ago
if u read zhuan falun u'd know wat u said would be wrong. doesnt heal the illness or the pain just makes the process quicker, because falun stading meditation will cause painthru ur arms and sitting meditation will cause pain thru ur legs thus makes it quicker. through the exercises u still suffer from the pain. the exercises r meant to renew ur energy mechanisms installed in ur body.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Since you believes in Karma, that means the more pain u received the more sin you will burn. Why don't you just burn your self alive then! All that talk about karma an't shit, when you lack the courage to feel more pain ur self! Pain makes a person feels alive so they won't take living for granted. If you don't feel pain then how do you know what is happiness? So what is the point of living if there is no pain!!
chuy605a 4 years ago
Falun Dafa is not a bad thing. I hope the Chinese will stop killing its members.
SJP3793 4 years ago
You said that wikipedia can be edited by anyone and u said "Wikipedia can be edit by anyone, I could also write some BS to edit the whole thing." But i thought "sumpoorguy" said "ghaddar8, this info is available at WIKIPEDIA . COM, a reliable and unbiased source." So i used the info on there. check on page 10 or somewhere near it.
Divinenite 4 years ago
What..so you think Wikipedia can't be edit by anyone?? Because of editing anyone can change the information into their liking, that is why i never really trust that web site. I alway do my own research. I mean if you do then go ahead.
chuy605a 4 years ago
How am i telling u to join? Read my comments and tell me where it says "u want u to join" or "u hafta join". Im just telling u that the way u think FLG is, is not the way it really is.
Divinenite 4 years ago
If you don't want people to join then why are you kept posting?? Also you claiming stories of "healing" by reading your books with out any proof. If that is not tying to make people joining FLG then your just BSing.
chuy605a 4 years ago
Because u think we are are fake, im just proving to u that we r not. I'm not telling u to join, the point is that if you WANT to join i can help. I keep posting because u keep saying all these un true things about us.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Show me some medical proof that by reading your books it can heal illness! If that is so then people who has cancer can never die?? Are you saying to people not to go to seek medical care when they are sick instead just read your Books?? And who is telling lies here??
chuy605a 4 years ago
It can't heal illness if u practise just to heal illness. It can only have this kind of effect if u r willing to practise cultivation rather than practising to get rid of illness.
Go to this link here and have a read of other people's stories, i can already tell by the way u treat us u'll think that we're telling tall tales.
Divinenite 4 years ago
You are saying it "Can't heal illness, but it can have this kind of effect." Tell me some thing, does that make sense to you?? So you are saying it cannot heal you but just make you think that it's healing. Is that how you believes in things; by reading people's stories?? So do you believe in Bible?; because there are tons of stories all based on other people.
chuy605a 4 years ago
It can heal illness, but it won't work if u cultivate to heal illness, people who cultivate to heal illnesses won't be looked after because they have pursuits and it becomes an attachement, cultivators are looking to get rid of these attachments. People in Dafa cultivate because it's the cultivation they r after not healing illness.
Yes we do believe in the bible, in some of the lectures Master Li has, he sometimes teaches and brings to an understanding of wat Jesus taught.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Then there is no point, I bet Qigong can achieved the same. Chance are Li just copy it and change few step and move and made it into his thing.
In his speech he also said that he was the carnation of a god, do you believe that too? I don't about you but that sounds like a Cult! I don't care about the 5 steps of work out you do everyday, I just don't believe someone like Li who claim to be a GOD and at the same time have people to buy his Books, Cd, Dvds...etc! He is nothing like Jesus!
chuy605a 4 years ago
Qigong can't exactly heal illness if u don't value virtue, qigong wont heal if u just do exercises. Qigong is just another term for cultivation practice, u so the exercises and pass ur tests to becoming a good person. Also Qigong healing clinics can only postpone ur illness or transform it into a misfortune.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Again, basely your saying Falun can heal illness and in your last post you said it cannot. It seems that you don't even know what your talking about. If Qigong bring people so much health problems them why are millions of people still doing it? Like I said you better bring some medical data about Falun; since you are suggesting that Falun Can help heal, otherwise its just BS.What about those people who died because they refuse to seek medical care because they think Falun can heal them?
chuy605a 4 years ago
And where the Hell did you get the information on Qigong postpone illness and transformed into misfortune? Base on UCLA studies, by doing Qigong it gives body strong immune system, more energies and less chance of getting sick. This is based on real facts and studies, so where is your facts about Falun can heal illness and saved lives? And "Stories" are not facts but what people think they claim.
chuy605a 4 years ago
lol, i meant for the people that go to qigong masters that get their illnesses healed, not the ones that practise qigong. Karma HAS to be repaid, if the qigong master heals ur cold, later on that Master will have a cold.
That's y SOME qigong masters will transform the illness because they do not choose to suffer the pain of their patient, expecially if they had cancer.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Wow Karma!!....So from a group of exercises into a religious group. This is another reasons that I don't agree with Master Li, and if your talking about Karma then why did Li in 1997 seek a surgery for his illness? Why can he just take the pain and get the Karma over with it? If he really believes in Karma he should just suffer and embrace death and how come his own exercise?
chuy605a 4 years ago
eliminating karma doesnt only go thru the process of physical pain but mental as well. the purpose of cultivation isnt only to eliminate karma but to enlighten, if u keep dying ur karma is sure to be eliminated but if that happens how r u ever going to cultivate, ur level cannot be raised simply by just dying, u need a master to look after u and u need a certain Fa to guide u(e.g the bible) otherwise u cannot enlighten.
Divinenite 4 years ago 2
So I guess that "master" is LI him self right? So when your died you will be worshiping master Li. All Li ever did was just copy the ideas of Qigong, Buddha's teaching, and other craps and brain wash you and train you like a dog!! And you never answer my question on why when LI himself had a medical problem; he seeks surgery to end the pain or from dying?? All ur statements are all base on what other told you and you never show me any facts!! U need a life!!
chuy605a 4 years ago
You never show me any facts either. If copying ideas off qigong and buddhist teachings enable you to write a book like Zhuan Falun, then why don't you write one for me and we'll compare the books.
Divinenite 2 years ago
What! So your saying that Li didn't learn qigong when he started ??? Please man, if he never took qigong you think he will created the idea of FLG?? Write a book??? There are tons of people who can write a book, so. Are you saying that just because they can write a book they are GOD!!? Your statement are full of BS and not much support. It seems that you being a FLG member is nothing but sitting in somewhere and replying to an old youtube post, maybe you should get a real life.
chuy605a 2 years ago
sumpoorguy, since you believe in wikipedia so much y don't u look at this. The Constitution of the People's Republic of China states that the "fundamental rights" of citizens include freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to a fair trial, freedom of religion, universal suffrage, and property rights.
Divinenite 4 years ago
There was a story that a FLG disciple went to a Fa conference in Africa and someone was trying to assassinate him. He is one of my mum's friends, this bone below the ankle which allows our foot to move up and and down got shattered from the bullet that went thru boot feet.The doctors were going to amputate the leg but he said no. After a month of practising the exercises and reading our books he was healed. This was recorded
Divinenite 4 years ago
You better show some proof of pictures, because talk is cheap. If you are tell people by reading your book you can stop illness then you better bring some medical data to show the people that this is real. Tying to make people buy book is a with out any proof is a pyramid scheme!!
chuy605a 4 years ago
This FLG group also what members to buy Books, cds...etc. It sound more like a pyramid scheme. I rather join Christan, since they give you the bible for free. Did anyone wonder why Master Li live in NY with a $4000000 house and a big swimming pool???
chuy605a 4 years ago
They give you the bible for free but y do you hafta pay to go to church, everytime you u go there, u hafta slip in a bit of money just to stay there. The books need to be bought because we don't have enough money for the resources to print books, and also to show that you r committed to practice Dafa. How would u know Master Li lived in a 4mil house in NY with a pool?
Divinenite 4 years ago
Divinenite, let's put our differences aside for a moment. Let me ask u sumtin. What made u join Falun Cult in the 1st place? Were u extremely depressed, lost, angry, or really in need of a faith or something to believe in to continue living? Or were u simply paid to support them? What is it?
Does a battle between good/evil and a sense of salvation for mankind appeal to u and make u loyal to ur cult? So regardless of any Falun Cult lies, u still feel obligated to fight their battles?
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
sumpoorguy, since you believe in wikipedia so much y don't u look at this. The Constitution of the People's Republic of China states that the "fundamental rights" of citizens include freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to a fair trial, freedom of religion, universal suffrage, and property rights. Where is the freedom of speech? or freedom of religion? Go to the human rights section of People's Republic of China.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Wikipedia can be edit by anyone, I could also write some BS to edit the whole thing. This FLG is just another rip off of Qi Gong, you buy books and cds so that the money can go to Master Li who live in a $400000 and plus. If he don't care about money why did he just give away his money to poor people??
chuy605a 4 years ago
So just because a government said that we're evil, does that really make us evil? If he said u were pure evil, and everyone started throwing rocks at you, how would u feel? Does that really make YOU evil? Wouldn't u want to stand up for ur rights?
Divinenite 4 years ago
You know, most engineers are genuinely educated and objective when it comes to debates. With the comments by sumpoorguy, I really thought it was just a poor guy. "U're weak, I'm know it, and most importantly - u know it. U can't win me...haha" WTH? An engineer, for real?? Thank goodness I know other EEs before reading the comments; otherwise I would think EEs are ignorant, immature, and egotistic people.
silverylotus 4 years ago
Interesting. FLG's goal is to undermine China's stability? What exactly would FLG gain if this goal was to be achieved? China will always be China, but it will not be at its greatest with the Communist Party. History has already showed that Communist does not work. China is great for its people; not for its government.
silverylotus 4 years ago
FLG's goal is to expose the bad things they have done in the past so they could stop the persecution. We never done any of these things b4 they persecuted FLG disciples, first it began witha protest because it was banned, as soon as we had an agreement Jiang ZeMin said for us to be crushed and said we'd bring the end of China later we got imprisoned and tortured.
Divinenite 4 years ago
To neone readin these comments, check out the Falun Cult leader, mASSter Li interview with Time magazine in 1999.
Don't kno if the link will actually show, but if it does it's below (remove the spaces to make the link work):
time . com/time/asia/asia/magazine/1999/990510/interview1.html
He sound like a looney-tune mentally-deranged nut huh? Talkin about alien invasions?? Ooooh, scary:X
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
sumpoorguy, about the alien thingy, how many people on this earth has seen UFOs, and other flying objects unknown to man. There have been alot of cases, but humans are too ignorant over these things and cant accept them because it is beyond their knowledge. Just because science hasn't discovered them doesnt mean that they dont exist.
Divinenite 4 years ago
China allow millions to practice their religion freely without persecution.
Here's a lil fact about religion in China:
Christians: ~40 million
Protestants: ~10 mil
Catholics: ~4 mil
Muslims: ~20 mil
Buddhist: ~100-1000 mil
So based on this, how can some1 say China does not let people practice their religion? Unless of course, it's a Falun cult and detrimental to society.
Dont be blinded by the cult, wipe the shit from ur eyes, and u'll see the light. Ur welcome:)
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
can u please give me the address that gives you all these information,it would be interesting to know who is behind this website.besides even if they do exist in that scale, they are persecuted somehow but of course no as much as falun gong.and why is ccp so afraid of flg.they are the most peaceful protesters that the HOLE world have seen.of course china too.but not according to ccp.there are videos here that verify my words
ghaddar8 4 years ago
ghaddar8, this info is available at WIKIPEDIA . COM, a reliable and unbiased source.
The comments wont allow me to post the website address here, but u can goto WIKIPEDIA . COM and search for "List of religious populations." Then look at each religion by country (China).
Hopefully u can reach enlightment without Falun Cult practices, growin a "third-eye", or usin ur supernatural powers. Have fun wit ur research:) Ur welcome!
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
oh...so they get their (reliable) facts from ccps majority,how reliable is that?and besides the third eye is already discussed in science.its just that its not proven in a scientific way.and their is a structure of an eye inside every human head,believe it or not.science does, but of course they have their own theory about it.thats why it has always been called believing and insight.thats why u cant prove it concretely.
ghaddar8 4 years ago
ghaddar8, u're not in denial r u? Cause it seems like ur not convinced by facts, but prefer Falun Cult progaganda. U can also find this at the CIA World Factbook, as if Wikipedia is not a good enough source already.
But I urge u try to listen with an open-mind, and stop referring to ur biased Falun Cult sources.
But I think at this point in ur cult practices, even if mASSter Li told u in person FLC is a cult, u still would be in denial.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
ghaddar9 said, "...and besides the third eye is already discussed in science.its just that its not proven"
Man, u make me laugh real hard, haha. Sure, alot of things are discussed in science and is not proven. That's why those things don't hold good arguments in science. Science is about proving ur hypothesis w/ measurable/verifiable data. Pseudo-science like Falun Cult beliefs does NOT equate to science. Comprenday?
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
ghaddar8, ur familiar with Creationism right? If not, look it up in Wikipedia or something. But don't mean to tell me Creationism is science right?
I really hope u are more enlightened than that, and not as ignorant as what some of ur arguments sound like:)
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
yes he is more enlightened that than that's y u can't accept the things that he explains.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Hundreds of years ago all the Chinese knew that the third eye existed that's how the theories came about of how it works and stuff.
Even decades ago, near 1950s when my dad was still in China at young age. His mum told him to mess with the cultivators because they will give u a hard time if you muck around with them, it's only because they did not know how to cultivate their moral standards and be tolerant of other people's behaviour.
Divinenite 4 years ago
"ALL" the Chinese?? Where did you get your information?? Were you there too?? All your informations are given by someone else, you have no real facts. If this is how FLG members are then its show how blind FLG members are.
chuy605a 4 years ago
it's a figure of speech, might ont look lke it on screen. i meant most, but i corrected myself.
Divinenite 4 years ago
are u sure about that? just remember the history of the CCP where they raided Buddhist temples and brought trouble to all Buddhist cultivators.
Divinenite 4 years ago
I run this comment section! greetings from Anti-Falun Cult from USA:)
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
have u seen that movie apocalypto?if yes,look at that guy who was offering diffrent people to the gods,taking peoples heart and cutting their heads off and saying all kind of madness just to convince the people that he is doing whats right for the people and how the crowed believe his lies.
that is just like ccp and chinese people
ghaddar8 4 years ago
Brainwashed ghaddar8, speakin of movies - ever saw American History X?
If so, remember Derek, a member of the Neo-Nazi group, that was so convinced the Nazi was representin a righteous cause he brainwashed others into the Nazi movement? But then he realized he has been manipulated and brainwashed himself.
Parallels to a modern Falun Cult today huh? Do u want to brainwash others into an evil falun cult too? Btw, dat was a great movie.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
again calling flg a cult without reading anything about it.just listening to what ccp have told you.man,plz try not to c me as an enemy,try to debate this subject as a mature person,i dont care how u look at me,its not important,but you have to start realizing that i realy care for you,im not getting paid to do this,u dont have to practice or believe in flg,im asking you to c things through your own eyes.if u just stop reading their news and listening to their lies for a while,just try it man.
ghaddar8 4 years ago
ghaddar8, I appreciate ur concerns and that's why i'm trying to knock some sense into u to save u from this Falun cult. I don't see u as an enemy, but as some1 who is confused, lost, and manipulated by FLC. And y do u regress to makin an argument against the CCP when i present u with objective/verifiable sources? I've noticed that's what all Falun Cult supporters resort back to when they fail to win an the debate - attack the CCP.
Every point u mention, my rebuttals just squashes ur arguments.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
ok now u sound more like a mature person.but still u have to be more neutral.i promise that you will understand me better after that you have seen the video where ccp fake the flg burning seen.i only ask you to think more as if you are neither an enemy or a friend to both flg and ccp.i really appreciate your improved language.
ghaddar8 4 years ago
Hmm, be neutral. ghaddar8, u should really take ur own advice for once. How can I be neutral when I know, for a fact, Falun Cult is a cult that hurts people? For example, it's like if u saw a rapist that raped ur mom. How can u be neutral when u know the rapist is committing a crime and hurting ur mom? Ur natural reaction might make u wanna do something right? Or u can stand there a be neutral and accept the penetration.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
who is raping who????why cant these incidents and news and accidents happen out side of ccp owned country?why havent all falun gong practitioners burned themselves yet?why arent other countries having problem of that kind?
Im asking you for the last time.i've wasted a hole lot of time on this debate,and im really starting to believe that hope is over for you.if you dont wanna believe me or even your own eyes then its obvious thing that you are completely brainwashed
ghaddar8 4 years ago
ghaddar9, u don't seem to understand. They don't happen in other countries, cuz that's not wat Falun Cult's goal is. It's goal is to undermine China's stability. Not US, not UK, but China. If this happened in the US, this cult would be banned. But they also receive political support from the US, so y go against the US, right?
Yes, this is exhaustin and wasting time becuz I have to talk to u like a 5 yr. old. But even the 5 yr olds have higher logic than u.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
ok so you have read the books of falun gong.
1where does master li says something about politics?
2what makes falun gong a cult(since you know what a cult is)?
3where does it say that we want to undermine Chinas stability?
and thanks for calling me less logical than a 5 years old child.you seem to enjoy talking to 5years old people.
ghaddar8 4 years ago
ghaddar9, u don't seem to understand. They don't happen in other countries, cuz that's not wat Falun Cult's goal is. It's goal is to undermine China's stability. Not US, not UK, but China. If this happened in the US, this cult would be banned. But they also receive political support from the US, so y go against the US, right?
Yes, this is exhaustin and wasting time becuz I have to talk to u like a 5 yr. old. But even the 5 yr olds have higher logic than u.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
Y not go against the US? bcause they have done nothing to hurt our practitioners. Such simple answers to ur weak questions. The right answer is not always the most complicated one. How come we didn't do this b4 the persecution? coz there were no problems until now. If they didnt persecute us this debate wouldn't of existed.
Divinenite 4 years ago
ghaddar8, ok, if u need me to clarify again - I will. I was using an analogy that an evil rapist screwing ur mom is like the evil Falun Cult hurtin its followers. It's hard to be neutral when ones in that situation right? Of course, I didn't actually mean ur mom, that's an example, u know what I'm saying?
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
i havent seen anyone getting hurt by falun gong ever.and no falun gong practitioner have been hurt outside of china.now tell me.Why do you believe in ccp that badly?and how can you defend them after what they have done to the students in tiananmen square 1989?
ghaddar8 4 years ago
ghaddar8, u haven't seen anyone hurt by Falun Cult yet. Cause u're trapped in ur own little world and resisting truth and reality. And I like how u want to try to divert the Falun Cult vs. CCP debate, by using the redherring fallacy of Tian. Sq 1989. Nice, but not going to work. I'm smarter, stronger, and more good lookin than u. U're weak, I'm know it, and most importantly - u know it. U can't win me...haha
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
ghaddar8, hold my hand, follow me my child. Let me guide u outta the Falun Cult life of evilness, misery, stupidity, and lies. Together we'll ascend to the cosmos and meet our ...alien friends and David Coppefield! OMG, this is too easy.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
you know,science have already discovered that humans only use about 7 or 10% of their brains.and they know that this universe is boundless,and they know that their exists many other dimensions that cant be seen by the human eye.doese that sound so simple to you?is life and the universe really that limited as you thought?we still have much to learn.try not to be so negative cause everything is possible.the future will show.
ghaddar8 4 years ago
ghaddar8, do u know how pathetic u sound tryin to make a reference between ur Falun Cult fairytales and true science? I'm an Electrical Engineer, so that's y my arguments sound more analytical and reasonable that ur brain-dead fallacies. And no, aliens did not teach me engineering like what ur mASSter Li suggested. U're comparing apple to grapes. Science to fairytales. Don't u think that's kind of childish to justify aliens r takin over the human mind?
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
look you dont have to believe in falun gong,in a matter of fact im not trying to convince you in my believe neither,all that i've been telling you since the beginning of this debate is that ccp is lying to chinese people and they are killing everyone who they consider a threat and telling everyone lies about it.and you should not choose their side cause that will make you one of them,a murderer.and please watch my hole video for further argument.
ghaddar8 4 years ago
ghaddar8, I've seen part 1 of the Falun Cult propaganda video, and I really don't have to see the rest of the lies. It makes me sick to my stomach watching Falun Cult spread lies, and pretend the self-immolation was fake, when it was actually Falun Cult followers who were hurt and died. U've became a braindead robot w/ no conscience & logic listenig to this evil cult, ghaddar8. It' sad.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
ok now u understand that when someone sees the horrible truth they always refuses to see more.but gradually you will accept it and maybe forget it or maybe ignore it and wish you never saw it because thats whats happening to you right now no matter how much u still deny it,ACCEPT THE TRUTH THAT YOU HAVE SEEN CAUSE NO FALUN GONG PRACTITIONERS HAS EVER BURNED THEMSELVES!!!
ghaddar8 4 years ago
If we didn't have a conscience we'd be listening to the CCP right now. It is because the people in China don't have a conscience, they just follow watever the government says, not rethinking about whether wat he says is right or wrong.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Your problem is that u dont believe anything beyond ur knowledge, that's y scientists cannot make advancements in science. It is because they are afriad of what other people will think of them if they show something that ordinary people cannot comprehend beyond their knowledge.
Divinenite 4 years ago
ghaddar8, I'm a very understanding and sympathizing person. And of course I am mature. I view all Falun Cult followers as a child of my own. U know how kids sometimes are naive, lack moral, and some r stupid, too. I don't blame them, I say to myself, "why r they like that?". Perhaps they r lackin guidance and their parents neglected them.
So like any parent, I would guide my Falun Cult children OUT of the evil Falun Cult by revealing the Truth. I'm glad we are havin this healthy talk my son.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
now you are not sounding so mature anymore.and still calling falun gong for a cult and evil without reading the books of falun gong.HOW CAN YOU EVEN ARGUE ABOUT SOMETHING WHEN YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS?its like hating something just because someone told you that its not good.and you blindly believe this someone as if he is your owner.now that is when someone is brainwashed.
ghaddar8 4 years ago
ghaddar8, it's quite the contrary. I have read the Falun Gong translated text, and it's silly. That's why I posed to u the David Copperfield and supernatural power questions that u've avoided so far. In da Falun Gong text, he states a Copperfield walking thru the Great Wall as supernatural powers? 3rd Eye seeing 1000's miles away & thru walls. So u believe this?
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
And PLEASE get back to me about how u feel about that clown, mASSter Li, believing in alien invasions that u PROMISED me. See, 1 of ur main deficiency is u assume too many things. U assume Falun Cult is good, u assume it's not a cult, u assume I don't read the FC text. When in fact I have.
Do u even kno what a cult is? If u do, I don't think u'll can really defend Falun Cult and that clown Li.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
it will be a veeeeery long conversation if we talk about this invasion.i dont find what master Li says impossible.its just that your thinking of aliens such as the ones that you c in sci-movies.of course its not that kind of invasion.aliens means difrent people,we believe that they exist and like master li said,they want the human body so they can be able to cultivate to a higher level.you have such body,i think you should appreciate it.
ghaddar8 4 years ago
ghaddar8, no, u don't know what i'm thinking. I'm not thinking about sci-fi aliens. I already told u, ur mistake is ASSuming too many things. Haven't u learned yet? Ur a joke.
U're definitely a diehard Falun Cult propaganda member. When u agree w/ aliens introducin modern science (planes, computer) to humans, overtakin the human mind, aliens replacing humans - need I say more? Everyone knows ur mental health is somewat luny. And of course, David Copperfield possessing supernatural powers?
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
Regarding your DC and supernatural power questions - i believe no one here can answer these to your satisfactory - why ? in my opinion since it is "supernatural" i afraid no human languages at this moment can paint the full picture to your brain (Of course, if there is one will work then you need to check your brain whether can take it ) So ,sumpoorguy, stop playing with words. You need patient and do the real work by reading Zhuan FaLun to understand the profound meaning in it.
felix772007 4 years ago
Hey ghaddar8, I've seen just pt. 1 of the self-immolation video. Remember ur advice, "be more neutral." Wow, that was a totally pro-Falun Cult video from the get-go. And there were so many weak points of arguments, I dont even know where to start. But for 1, they said CNN did not film nething? That's funny, cause that CNN article on CNN website, stated the cameraman taped it. Now who's lying to who? C'mon, if u was smart, u'll re-edit or pull that video down so u wont contradict urself:)
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
i think u should c the hole video and,plz show me where you have seen these information on cnn.
ghaddar8 4 years ago
ghaddar8, ok, if u're avoiding the truth, I'll repost this link for the 3rd time. Here u go, remove the space to view links:
archives . cnn . com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/01/24/asia.falun.03/
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
sumpoorguy, you just don't see it do u? you just look at a government controlled newspaper, and expect it to be true? Of course a newspaper like that will never say bad things about them. Y do u think it's called GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED, if you just take a step back and not take anyone's side, u'll actually be able to see people dying from torture.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Divinenite, wow, is it officially Falun Cult propaganda season already? The divine Falun Cult mASSter Li, believes in alien introducin modern science/technology and tryin to conquer Earth and control the human body. And he believes David Copperfield possess supernatural power. And he believes he the God of all God.
Need I say more? Try tellin dat to a jury, u might very well win an insanity plea if u actually believe that garbage.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
I totally agree with you (Sumpoorguy)about "Master Li" he also claims that he is God and by following him the people will be saved from hell. This also sounds like Heaven's Gate group.
chuy605a 4 years ago
chuy605a, well it seems that ONLY the people in China think like this. Just about 95%+ people overseas don't think this way, especially chinese people. Some still think like you because they prob came like a few months ago. If people can get cured from cancer just by reading our book i don't see any harm in that.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Just me??? Then how come Li tells his follower to not seek medical treatment, because its Karma. Then in 1998 he himself had to have a surgery to fix his own problems. What kind of message is he sending?? So you claim that your books can heal illness?? Is there any proof of that??? I bet you have NONE.
chuy605a 4 years ago
y would he need to use medical treatment if our practitioners didnt?
Divinenite 4 years ago
Just think about it, when Jesus first came to this Earth didn't people think of him like this as well? Didn't they torture him because they thought they went too far with teaching an upright practice? Just because u don't believe it doesnt mean it's not true
Divinenite 4 years ago
So you are saying Li is a god. Why don't he make a video of him flowing or walk on water?? You FLG people are something!!!
chuy605a 4 years ago
chuy605a, yeah, these Falun Cult members, or robotz, lost all sense of reason and conscience. Again, if u believe David Copperfield has supernatural powers, alien invasions and takeover of human bodies, and mASSter Li pulling rabbits outta his ass - that explains ur mental instability. And y u're a die-hard fanatic of Falun Cult.
I urge all cult memberz to seek therapy and thank me later. U're welcome.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
If you say we're the robots y do u listen to everything the government says? Do u ever make up ur own mind or do u just go with watever he thinks is right? Do u ever try to differ whether wat he says is right or wrong? I say most people in mainland China are robots because they think watever he does or says is right.
Divinenite 4 years ago
So you don't?? You follow and do what ever your Leader "Master Li" tells you to do and that does not count as robot?? He believes in Aliens so you also believe in his words then. If he ask for money I bet you will give him your money. You have no control of your life, all I see is you promoting FLG.
chuy605a 4 years ago
But we have a choice as to whether we want to follow him, as with the Chinese government u are forced to follow him.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Divinenite, there's people who listen to their mASSter Li, people who listen to their govt., and then there's people like me - free-thinking, free-spirited, and handsome good-looking gentleman. Just reply to my sanity test, let me see how mentally fit u r.
1. Do u believe David Copperfield have supernatural powers?
2. Do u believe mASSter Li can levitate and see through walls?
3. Do u believe aliens r invadin and tryin to control the human body?
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
Because the principles are that u cannot interfere with ordinary human society, using supernormal abilites. Master Li really did do that, then evryone would come to practice FLG, not because they want to change their heart but because they ant to gain supernormal abilites
Divinenite 4 years ago
The law in human society cannot decide whether we are a cult or not. That is an individual's decision, if you think that we are crazy for believing in Buddhas then im sure u r pretty close to satanism since they believe in demons.
Divinenite 4 years ago
The Branch Davidian, a cult based in Waco, TX, USA, was raided by ATF and federal agents 1993. The Davidians' leader, David Koresh, believe he was the final prophet. He sexually abused members, some just kids, stockpiled illegal arms preparing for apocalypse, and preached the US govt. is the enemy.
Now, he's just following his Christian faith, he's NOT crazy. We can't judge him. R u kiddin me?! He's a total nut! Modern case of the US government intervening to halt this evil cult.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
I guess this is just going to go on like this forever. There will be people that will believe that we're good and people that'll believe that we're bad. If it was actually bad then this cultivation practice would not of expanded, this cultivation practice would have already been over.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Divinenite said, "law in human society cannot decide whether we are a cult or not." Isn't this the most idiotic statement a Falun Cult propagandist made so far. So who decides? Ur mASSter Anal Li?
It's like sayin, Divinenite just had sex w/ his dog today. That's bestiality. But Divinenite reasons, it's not bestiality, I just like f*cking animals.
If it looks like bestiality, smells like bestiality - IT IS BESTIALITY.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
Maybe u missunderstood when i said ""law in human society cannot decide whether we are a cult or not." i meant the government not the people. The government cant decide.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Divinenite, no dummy. I did NOT misunderstood u. The government can't decide? Well, it did. And that was not in China, but America, too!
Branch Davidian cult was raided by United States ATF and federal agents for the well-being of its US citizens. So we don't have a delusional leader like mASSter Li or David Koresh, manipulating the weak&confused.
R u suggesting u support the Branch Davidian cult?
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
ghaddar8, remember the movie American History X, I told about? Think about the message.
Some things i have to ask u again:
1. U agree with Falun Cult members burnin themselves at Tian. Sq?
2. How do u argue against CCP perscuting religious groups, when there's Buddhism, Christanity, Islam, etc. with millions of followers coexisting peacefully within China?
3. U actually agree with mASSter Li's alien invasion?
Please take ur time to address these:)
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
no flg practitioners burns themselves,its fake,the video that shows this will soon be available on you tube.i had to divide it into 3 parts
i agree about the persecuting because we have comunities here that have connections to persecuted groups of china of all kind.and they tell us whats happening to them.they are not flg.tibetans and religious groups
i know nothing about this alien invasion.master li never talked to us about such thing but i will answer that later,i promise
ghaddar8 4 years ago
Fake, staged, fabricated - I heard it all. But the truth is, it did happen. CNN camera operator and producer got footage of the incident and witness those bodies burning. Jeremy Page of Reuters later even interviewed the survivors with real scars and injuries, yet to u claim this is fake?
Ur 3 pt. video, is that from ur Falun Cult friends? Lies and deceit cannot prevail truth my friend...
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
Self-immolation source here (remove spaces to view links):
archives . cnn . com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/01/24/asia.falun.03/
rickross . com/reference/fa_lun_gong/falun261.html
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
Self-immolation source here (remove spaces to view links):
archives . cnn . com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/01/24/asia.falun.03/
rickross . com/reference/fa_lun_gong/falun261.html
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
ghaddar8, please get back to me about Falun Cult, mASSter Li's alien invasion obsession. U promise right? Pinky promise? I understand if u don't want to respond to that, cuz there's no way a sane person can support his bogus claims.
I posted the TIME interview b4, but in case u've missed it, here u go:)
time . com/time/asia/asia/magazine/1999/990510/interview1.html
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
sumpoorguy, that nazi comment pretty mcuh represents the CCP. Since the actions of the nazis back then and the CCP now have similar goals. CCP are trying to brainwash us so we will stop believeing in FLG.If u think u r a good person than u would not have said that was a good movie.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Divinenite, Falun Cult in contrast to the evil Japanese Aum Shinrikyo cult. Both cults shares similiar traits - charismatic self-proclaimed Godly leaders, both claim levitation (Aum proven false) & supernatural powers, salvation from apocalypse thru their teachings, encouraged destruction of governments (CCP/Japanese).
In the end, Aum cult carried out deadly subway sarin gas terrorism. Falun Cult followers committed self-immolation and 1000's of followers died from medical deprivation.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
But their teachings were not righteous that's y it didn't spread as wide as FLG, we r not after profit or personal gain. Only righteous practices like Islam, Christianity and Catholicism can dominate the sidely paths because they r upright.
Divinenite 4 years ago
We don't brainwash people, in Zhuan Falun it says that changing people's hearts is the same as doing a bad deed. Because forcing someone to practice will not enable them to truly cultivate since their hearts rnt in it, rarely anything he's forced to do will count.
Divinenite 4 years ago
If Zhuan Falun don't brainwash people then why are you tying to tell people to join?? By telling people to join FLG over and over again it's a form of brainwash, which you "Divinenite" are tying to do.
chuy605a 4 years ago
we don't tell people to join, if u read thru my posts. i said that forcing people to join is the same as doing a bad deed. If a Dafa practitioner ever does that u need to tell them that.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Falun dafa is good!greetings from TAIWAN!
mavic0216 4 years ago
Yeah, Falun Dafa is Good! Master Li is Great!
Greetings from Philippines.--Nelson
nelsonthewatcher 4 years ago
Falun Dafa is great! Greetings from Singapore!
gfs2509 4 years ago
yes it is
eoLothic 4 years ago
Falun Dafa is a righteous cultivation way.
Timur21 4 years ago
Communist China would not stop persecuting falun dafa, simply because it does not want to see its people become "good". Evil government comosed of good people? No way!
takakazushin 4 years ago 2
Thank you! clearfying
Paulolsa 4 years ago 2
What a bunch of nuts. It's a suicidal cult. Go try yoga.
Joe6pax 4 years ago
i agree, it's a bunch of suicidal nuts.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
suicidal nuts.hmmmm sounds like you are talking about ccp.come on man wake up from all these lies and release yourself from their madness.why would a guy like me ,from lebanon,hate ccp?why kill my self?have you ever asked yourself?have you ever wondered deeply in your heart if you have been tricked by ccp propaganda you hole life?Think again
ghaddar8 4 years ago
Exactly, why kill myself? That's what I've been asking and wondering for all the Falun Cult members that jumped off buildings, cut open their own abdomen to find the 'spinning wheel', and set themselves on fire in Tiannamen Sq. Why?
You should ask yourself those questions u posed to me, but with regards to the Falun Cult. And maybe you'll achieve a new level of enlightment. And while you're at it, u should clean the shit from your nose from all that ass your kissin' for the Falun Cult:)
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
It was clearly explained in Zhuan Falun that killing is strictly forbidden, so them self immolating themselves does not make them FLG disciples.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Yoga used to be a form of cultivation, now it's just for healing and fitness. Nothing like wat FLG can really give u.
Divinenite 4 years ago
my chinese friend's aunty exercised that a few years ago and be mad soon...now she's in a bughouse.
killevilness 4 years ago
I've been reading the books and doing the exercises for years now, and it's brought nothing but good things to my life. But this persecution - whether you accept the tenets of Falun Dafa or not, surely everyone has to agree that killing and torturing people for their religion is a crime that should be stopped?
Jerwold 4 years ago
:) meetoo i practice falun gong
eoLothic 4 years ago
Hey man what a good friend you are? You disrespect your friend's family. Doesn't that show you what kind of person you are?
zhinshampoo 4 years ago
Zhinshampoo, no it doesn't show that. Killevilness is just revealing the hypocrisy of the Falun Cult and creating an awareness to everyone else so they don't fall into this trap and end up hurting themselves or close friends/family around them.
And it shows that you are unintelligent enough to comprehend Killevilness' simple message. I hope my elaboration on what his comment means helped u understand. You're welcome:)
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
NO you don't help and complicate matters and you're not welcome "sumpoorguy". I hope you're getting a fat check from the Chinese embassy. YOu seem to spend good amount of time working posting your sticking comments. CUMMUNIST!
zhinshampoo 4 years ago
zhinshampoo, the matter at hand is simple and not complicated at all. U're just confused and not intelligent enough to comprehend the Falun Cult hypocrisy. Or maybe u are, but u're in denial?
I'm not welcomed? What r u? The Communist Party? haha
Let's be honest, this isn't about Falun Cult, persecution, practice of belief, etc. It's about an Anti-China, Anti-Communist movement, but Falun Cult is just a front for it. Any sane person sees right through this magic trick.
sumpoorguy 4 years ago
sumpoorguy, if u think u r the only sane one seeing through this magic trick than the entire world is insane because just about everyone desn't think like this. And it is about the persecution, because b4 the perseuction none of ths happened. Does the government really hafta say that it's good in order for it to be good? This shouldn't become an argument, just a sharing of each others thoughts. Always think of others first.
Divinenite 4 years ago
Divinenite said, "the entire world is insane because just about everyone desn't think like this." When r u gonna stop with u Falun Cult propaganda? U're n