I try it but as a runner is hard to replace the high protein needs. I don't eat beef, but I eat birds like chicken and turkey. I am thankful for the food I eat so I hate wasting food.
@rems025 That's why they make protein shakes, beans, protein pills, & much more. I have friend that does triathalons, & runs also, & he is a straight vegan. I honestly couldn't go vegan. I am just a vegatarian, i'll drink milk & eat cheese & organic eggs (:
Good video mark i hope it inspires other people to go vegan seeing this.The life force that runs in us is the same in those animals they have feelings too. love,care,affection are true human qualities i think somewhere down the line to satisfy our tongue we are forgetting our true nature.
You know animals are killed for scientific research everyday, the same research how we find cures for diseases, do you have a problem with this animals dying? then you should give up medicine as well as eating meat. Also you should give up all your cosmetic products that are tested on animals or your just a hypocrite.
@liktorlemon Do you ever stop and think about what your talking about? Cures are a necessity. Meat as food isn't. There's always organic and cruelty-free substitutes to all kind of cosmetics. I'm not going to get into detail about it. Have a good day.
Dont you think its hypocritical to say that you don't feel guilty about eating salads when you had to kill plants. Plants are living breathing things just like animals and just because they don't have faces doesn't mean they don't have the same lifeforce/soul that animals have. Either way we have to kill something in order for us to survive. As long as we recognize and respect that the animal gave up their life so we can eat, i see nothing wrong with eating meat.
@liktorlemon i know this is an old comment, but i just felt compelled to point out that although the plant may be living, it cannot feel. it has no central nervous system, it cannot feel pain, it cannot love, it does not give direct birth to their offspring. if you rip a flower out of the ground, you will not hear it scream. if you rip a limb off an animal, it will scream and feel pain. xx
@SerenityShootingStar haha same here! I tried to watch a peeta film to get more aware of the cruelty but I knew I wouldn't be able to, then I just read things about slaughter houses and then decided to switch. :D
awe you said you loved me. Well I love you back, and great video. I think people don't know and don't want to know about what goes on in those slaughter houses. It's not just about the animals but also about the illegal immigrants who have to work there for pennies on the hour. I think these companies need to be held accountable for hiring illegal immigrants and paying them almost nothing. Not only do that pay them horrible wages, but if the employee is found out they do nothing to help them.
Awesome =D I've been vegetarian now for about 4 months, I just decided to try and stuck by it, so I totally agree with this video (: Might even make a response to this! =P
hahahaha i was a vegetarian for a year to see if I could do it. I went back to eating meet I felt sicker. So now I am veg.
I was recently talking to a person who worked at a small creamery. She said that there are still cows being slaughtered to bring your milk and cheese.... just something to think about
Vegetables are living organisms. And yes the DIE when removed from the soil. But EVERYTHING will die at some point. Do plants have "Feelings"? Science and not prove or disprove this. I will go back to eating my steak now. Peace.
@inishboy2 how can you liken killing an animal to cutting up veg? whichever way you look at it, chopping carrots is a lot more humane than chopping cows. just my opinion.
if you eat dairy and eggs, you are harming the animal as much as if you eat meat. The dairy cows are abused for years, and then slaughtered in the end.
Egg laying hens have it the worst: crammed in small cages, in the dark, clipped beaks, and when they slow there production end up to be killed for meat.
@VeganTruth That's a matter of perspective. However, as the population increases to 10 Billion on this planet (originally the k value was 4 Billion, but thanks to a balanced diet of animals and plants we increased in to 10 Billion) we need a balanced diet. We cannot solely rely on one or the other. Relying on plants to feed a population of 10 Billion is ridiculous especially, because we are having such problems drought, famine, and worse of all, over-nitrification.
a few problems: #1 the largest population increase is found in countries which consume the least amount of animal products: China and India. Another issue is that we shouldnt be happy that our population is growing, as there are enough issues with the population we have, and adding more people into the mix will just make it worse. The big issue with your comment is that it takes FAR more resources to produce meat then plants, and therefore will be worse environmentally.
@VeganTruth: 1. Is that increase due to diet, or due to breeding habits? There is a theory that 3rd world nations, or developing nations have more children due to possibilities of their children dying and need for extra hands on the farm, or work field to increase family income. There is no study that correlates diet and population increases. My point is a vegetarian diet would not be beneficial for all 6 Billion on the planet.
sure they have more children to work on farm land, however, even with the higher rate of infancy death, there populations are sky rocketing.
As to where to grow the plants: same place we are growing them now! Stop breeding cows, pigs, chickens, and use the land that is used to grow there food, to grow our food. Its much more efficient to eat from the source, rather then have an animal convert it into tissue.
@VeganTruth 1. There populations are skyrocketing for a large amount of reasons thus, you cannot win that argument. Too many extraneous variables. 2. The places we are growing these plants now are suffering from aquitifier depletion and over-nitrification. That's my point, whether for animal or human use, we must cut down on over production of plants. 3. 1 lb of meat is equiv. in dietary need of 10 lbs of fruits and veg.. Except with animals you get more A.A..
Ive never said, or suggested it was due to plants or animals. That was your point.
In regards to your second point: we have these problems due to eating meat. If we hadnt raised so many animals, we wouldnt have these issues. Now the issue is: our population is increasing, and the demand for meat is increasing... so the issues are only going to get worse. Consume plants directly, avoid meat/dairy, and we are already a world better.
@VeganTruth Yes, you did. You brought up the increasing population with respect to that argument. I simply said you cannot prove why their is an increase in population and that it could be due to a mix of things not excluding diet. As for raising animals and not having these issues, well one of the reasons for the population increase is better healthcare. Perhaps we shouldn't do that either? And you asked me if I was dumb.
how can you compare healthcare to farming practices. Apples dont equal to oranges. You are really not quite with it, and whats scarey is you have a degree which will further inflate your ego. Good luck with that. Goodbye
@VeganTruth 1. Your comment said and I quote: "if we hadnt raised so many animals, we wouldnt have these issues (based on the rest I assumed you meant population increases)". Hence, my comment saying one of the reasons for population increases is due to better healthcare availability. If you really wanted to decrease the population it would be to take that away. It was my sarcastic way of saying we have a population crisis but the solution isn't to cut off food sources instead birth control.
@VeganTruth You have not answered the question about desertification, which is caused by overpopulation of agriculture as well as Climate Change. By increasing plant population you must increase animal production (fertilizer), you must increase water resources (already we are seeing depletion of aquitifiers), due to that you'll see an increase in cyanobacteria, and a change in atmospheric percentage of each of the gases due to it. Hence, it would be environmentally worse.
I have answered your question. In order to feed billions of farm animals, you need to grow a lot of crops. The large majority of the crops we currently grow ends up as food for farm animals. If we stopped breeding animals, we wouldnt need as much farm land (we definitely wouldnt need to expand). Stop growing corn and grains for animals, and start feeding people. This will solve the issue of over-farming and soil erosion/desertification. Stop cutting forests for graze land too!
@VeganTruth Those crops you grow for farm animals will not feed the billions of people worldwide. They will also not give them the proper nutrition. Just because we can eat it doesn't mean it gives us what we need. As for we not needing the land if we stopped breeding the animals, you wouldn't know. That's an assumption and a large one at that. There are more humans in the world than farm animals and at a rate of 1lb meat verses 10lbs grain I think we'd be in trouble.
yes they will easily. You dont have to eat the same crops grown for animals, but you can use the land for other crops, crops more suitable for human consumption. Please think your arguments through before making them, because this is getting annoying.
"There are more humans in the world than farm animals" : are you really that dumb? There are 50 Billion land animals killed every year worldwide. Probably another 50 billion sea creatures killed on top.
@VeganTruth I knew what you meant, you did not have to define it. My point is that 1. you don't know if those crops could survive there. 2. Even if it does, it doesn't answer how to fix the aquitifier depletion. 3. How would you obtain the large amounts of fertilizer? 4. Prevent drought? 5. Prevent disease? 6. Know the plants will co-exist together without problems? 7. Prevent soil erosion and over-nitrification?
The 18 million tons of plant protein wasted is a misconception. You can not subtract 2 from 20 to get 18. Granted, during meat processing the soft tissues like organs and entrails are discarded so there are some wasted protein due to manufacturing. However, the remaining protein went into the cows' energetic needs and was expended for cow's protein mass, maintenance, and growth. So the roughly 18 million tons or so of plant protein is in the cows. Energy simply does not disappear...
Now, vegetarian makes energetic sense in the long run since you are consuming energy at the source, i.e. autotrophs. So personally, people should advocate this lifestyle based on energy instead of this hubbub about saving some animal you never see and never really care anyway.
@RDirective We don't only consume for the purposes of "energy". If that were the case, you'd be right. However, there are many Amino Acids (A.A.) that we don't self-produce as well as other chemicals/compounds. Hence, animal meat is necessary. That is why we have sharper teeth than our earlier ancestors (meaning we have canines) and they died off, because they tended to be herbivorous and weren't obtaining these important compounds.
again wrong. Have you seen pictures of the canines of a gorilla? they are absolutely massive and long... and guess what... they eat plants. Our small canines are used to rip plant matter. Try biting into a raw piece of meat and see how well our jaws or teeth do the job. We can get all the essential amino acids from plant sources.
@VeganTruth: 1. To make that argument more precise you should use Chimps since they are closer on the phylogenetic tree. However, these species eat insects which is their meat version. So, unless you are advocating to become insectivores your argument is flawed. Perhaps it would work on the educationally retarded, but I'm not one of them.
2. Gorillas and humans, just as chimps and humans, may be related, but doesn't mean they are identical. What one species has the other lacks. ~94% DNA match.
i wasnt trying to compare the closest possible relation. I was simply showing that canines arent proof of what we should or should not be eating. A gorilla is pretty close to our family, and they have canines that make a lot of carnivores look wimpy.
The amount of insects that chimpanzee eat is negligible. We have other options as a more sophisticated species.
@VeganTruth Your example was flawed that's my point. Those animals eat enough insects where they obtain the proper amount of A.A. and nutritional requirements. An insect actually has more protein than a pieces of steak. That's a fact.
yes, maybe an insect has more protein then a stake of the same size, but chimps arent eating boat loads of insects. a few insects here and there doesnt amount to all that much.
@VeganTruth It is spelled "steak" not stake. Second, they eat enough to obtain the essentials they need. That was my point. Consequently, you can't say that their teeth where a result of plant, or herbivorous eating.
@VeganTruth No, a typo is when you spell something wrong. This was mixing up homophones. Two different concepts buddy. You are just angry that you are calling me dumb and here I am making you out to be the idiot. I'm not that other kid, I know facts and figures and you won't out smart me. My advice go back to school, or stay in school, but definitely do some more reading. And not your bias one-sided crap.
@inishboy2 Of course, there's more to eating then just energy. I didn't want to get into the nutritional aspects of vegetarian lifestyle because that's not relevant here...that and it is lengthy and involves much biochemistry that I don't want to talk about as most people do not care anyway. You can get the 10 essential aa from eating a combination of grains and beans so animal meat is unncessary in that respect.
@inishboy2 This is your list: R, C, D, G, H, P, S, and Y.
You are highly confused since that's a mixture of aa that we can and can not make...besides, you are missing M.
The actual list of essential AA is R,H,I,L,K,M,F,T,W,V.
Adult humans can get by without R as de novo is somewhat sufficient since there is no longer systemic development (not so for young humans < 18). So in all you can say 9(+/- 1) out of 20 (not 19)...unless you have an alien for a human.
@RDirective Again, I am not highly confused so stop saying that. Second I never said you need all 19 amino acids as a dietary sup. I just said that you need 8, which is on track with your 9 +/- 1. Thus, if you read my previous statement you will see that. Again, just because you don't like me you don't have to spread libel around as if I'm making things up as I go along. I'd be more than happy to prove any of my points.
@inishboy2 There's nothing to prove. The 9(+/- 1) is a typographical error that I didn't want to correct. It should be 9(+1)/20, depending on developmental stage. And no, you can not live on 8 aa, so please stop saying that.
I call you highly confused because your responses demonstrate that. I have nothing against you. This will be my last post on this topic so feel free ramble on. My initial posting was only to clear up a misconception in the last part of the video and not debate anyone.
@RDirective You are highly confused because if you read my comment I stated: you need the 19 amino acids but you don't synthesize 8 of them. I said 8, because in some portions of development, like you so eloquently pointed out, you need one less, or one more. Some people need more than that due to a screwed up metabolism. Stop putting sentences together that clearly do not represent what I said.
@RDirective No, I will not stop, because you are highly confused. 1. I am responding to the fact that you put earlier that I said all 19 are needed. I never said that, I only said 8 were needed. Granted maybe 10 were needed and I didn't look that up. However, I certainly did not say what an "adult human needs" therefore, you cannot say R is not needed. I never made a distinction. Based on a website from UIC you need R as an adult so therefore, I made the mistake for thinking it was credible.
@inishboy2 "1. I am responding to the fact that you put earlier that I said all 19 are needed" => I've never said anything about you stating that all 19 are needed. My respond was to your incorrect listing of essential aa.
Arginine is semiessential depending on diet and developmental stage. This aa is prevalent so as long as you eat well then de novo synthesis can make up the difference.
"I never said that, I only said 8 were needed." => I know you did and that is wrong. At least 9 is needed.
@RDirective If you would like the website email me at mpc59@georgetown.edu. Now this doesn't mean that we do or don't need R. I looked it up and some websites say you don't when your an adult others say you do. I'm not sure scientist are even 100% sure so in that regard I'm not wrong. Oh,yes, and when you email me please use a university email so that I know you are worthy to continue the conversation with. I don't think you are on my educational level, but are trying to be and it's annoying.
@inishboy2 Arginine is semiessential. End of story. Essential aa is essential for the reason that complete absence leads to sickness and eventual death, obviously. So your account of only 8 essential aa would lead to death.
"I don't think you are on my educational level, but are trying to be and it's annoying. " => Being derisive is also annoying not to mention poor conversational etiquette. It also has the added benefit of cheapening your much flaunted education/intelligence.
@RDirective 1. Every human is unique, just as ever organism, thus, depending upon the human 8 essential A.A. could be correct. Most require 10, but some require 9, others 11.
2. I'm not continuing with this argument anymore. I think we both said our piece you are just trying to get me for not mentioning 2/10 of the A.A. and mentioning 1 semi-needed AA. However, it won't work.
@inishboy2 "1. Every human is unique, just as ever organism, thus, depending upon the human 8 essential A.A. could be correct. Most require 10, but some require 9, others 11. " => This is equivocal.
"2. I'm not continuing with this argument anymore. I think we both said our piece you are just trying to get me for not mentioning 2/10 of the A.A. and mentioning 1 semi-needed AA. However, it won't work. " => I not out to get you. I only corrected your essential aa listing,which was misinformation.
@RDirective I've chosen this lifestyle for both reasons you've stated above. I don't think there's any flaw in caring for something other than just humans.
@RDirective The law of conservation of energy has an exception. (Look up particle physics) Energy can be created and destroyed in small amounts, but tends to be recycled. However, you are beginning to make science sound like the Catholic religion's notion of the Pascal mysteries. Energy was always there and will always be there, but the question is if it's not created or destroyed, how did it come to be? Thus, the new theory in particle physics.
@inishboy2 You are highly confused...energy can only be transformed. This is the most basic physical concept that most people do not get. I will not discuss what energy is or how it was created or not created as that is not relevant here. On the other hand, you really need to understand the two laws of thermodynamic first before even venturing into particle physics, which is based solely on the fact that energy is conserved and can only be transformed.
@RDirective No, I am not highly confused. Energy can be created from nowhere for a short amount of time cause of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. The particle that are created are called "virtual particles" and are always created in pair because of conservation laws (charge, ...). Energy conservation can be violated for short times and this happens all the time. In the same way we can describe interactions in quantum electro dynamics. The hawking effect is based on this energy creation.
@inishboy2 I removed my comment because of a typographical error. As to your reply about virtual particles, it is highly irrelevant. As far as nutrition is concerned, humans do not run on virtual particles nor Hawking radiation...Since the virtual particles are energy neutral, there is no violation of energy conservation and no net gain in total energy. In Hawking radiation, gravity potential energy is transformed into mass and radiation...even this is not energy creation.
@RDirective It is relevant, because my point was energy can be created and destroyed and you cannot exclusively say it can't. Humans run on atoms and atoms have protons and electrons which do run on virtual particles that create and destroy energy. Please refer to the standard model that explains force and matter. I believe bestofscience has a youtube video about it. You are wrong and you look like an idiot for trying to defend a view that is clearly ancient.
@inishboy2 Okay, then bake me a virtual particle cake. When you are done let me know and I will personally eat it. Oh and be sure to decorate the cake with the standard model. It makes the cake extra special. If you don't want to pay for the material cost, then I will. I will even ship a piece to "bestofscience" as a tribute for explaining things so well.
If you can't do the above, then consider yourself free to ramble on about how irrelevant you sound. =)
@RDirective I don't know why my comment didn't appear. My point was energy can be created and destroyed therefore it is relevant. It is relevant to human dietary needs, because in every piece of food there contains molecules. Those molecules are composed of atoms and those atoms composed of subatomic particles and then, elementary particles. Protons and electrons are attracted to each other are due to virtual particles that create small amounts of energy and destroy it within a brief period.
I see where you're coming from, however, God put the animals on Earth for us to eat. Granted, they should be slaughtered as humanely as possible. The protein, other vitamins and minerals in meat are essential for humans to survive. I know you can take the vitamin supplements to make up for it, but still, that's what certain animals are here for.
@VeganTruth Now, was that really necessary to say it like that? Animal's main reason for being on Earth was originally to eat, use for tools, transportation, weapons, clothing, and some American Indian tribes would use some bones or the skull as bowls/plates. They were vital to human survival for thousands of years and are still being used for many purposes today.
just because we have used them in the past in ways that perhaps helped us live, they no longer need to be used in this way. What once was a necessary evil has just become an evil. We dont need animals for survival. We use them for entertainment, clothing, and food. Animals are not things, but beings. Not our equals, but not the same as a stereo, or sofa, or rock, or personal possession to be used and discarded.
@hondaboii89 No, you can make better arguments. Your arguments were flawed so this person was able to just step on you. I tend to agree with your stance that meat is needed in a balanced lifestyle, but the way you argued your point made me question whether you understand why it's needed.
@VeganTruth No, they are more important than a stereo. We need animal meat for amino acids and other chemical elements and compounds we don't produce (i.e. zinc for zinc-fingers on a protein). Your solution would probably be: create a vitamin. My problem with that is that there are so many things plants can't give us that we would need to be taking a 1000 vitamins a day just to sustain a health co-existence.
please name for me what is needed in meat, and not available in non-meat sources. If you are going to say B12, B12 is produced by bacteria, and not by animals. It is found in soil, and used to be much more present in our diets however modern farming practices have dwindled the availability. It was found in streams/rivers, but now we chlorinate everything. If we lived more naturally, without meat, we would have no lack of b12.
"that there are so many things plants can't give us that we would need to be taking a 1000 vitamins a day just to sustain a health co-existence."
where is your proof? ive been meat free for 15 years and have annual blood work done. Im more then healthy. So what do you think meat has that i need and cant find in plant sources?
@VeganTruth Then, you are going to tell me, but wait, I am "healthy" and so are other vegans. And I am going to tell you based on the regular physicals, you probably are, but if they did a comprehensive study of your blood (which would cost $10,000+) they would find that you are not. They won't do this, because no insurance company in the world would pay for it, even with an argument of preventative care. This is unnecessary testing. How do I know? M.D./Ph.D. student at Georgetown.
i bet if you took anyone under that test, everyone would fail. I live in Canada, and health care is paid by my taxes. I get a long list of things tested every time i go. If the other test were important, they would do them.
You are a student, not a doctor, so dont overstep yourself.
@VeganTruth: Are you not over stepping your balance for saying you are "healthier" and being vegetarian contributed to that factor? Unless you ARE are doctor, or a scientist with at least a Ph.D. you are overstepping your balance. Thus, as someone who has obtained a B.S. and M.S. in Biology and Biochemistry and Molecular Biology my points are more valid. Especially considering my university. Even in Canada they have heard of Georgetown.
I may be overstepping my bounds in terms of "healthier", however all the nutritionists and doctors (ones that have spent years of research in the field, unlike yourself) that i have seen do presentations have spoken of the things i am mentioning.
Im not saying you can measure how much or less healthy a well balanced vegan diet is in relation to a low fat, low meat omnivorous diet is, however there is strong evidence that meat in even moderate amounts is unhealthful.
@VeganTruth Again you are full of assumptions. How do you know I didn't work or do research in a lab for years? I never personally insulted you and because you are loosing this argument you resort to petty comments. If those scientist want to make that claim they may, but they must have the degrees to prove it and the research to prove it. It's not a simply I'll take you at your word.
i know because your comments are unfounded and often obviously unresearched. The researches/doctors/etc have more degrees and experience then either of us.
@VeganTruth Which ones? (pertaining to my comments) As for the doctoral degree they only have one degree that I am missing, the doctorate degree, which I am in the current process of obtaining. Plus, some doctorate candidates don't even have a Masters. Thus, I may have one degree that they don't. You don't have the degrees to compare, I do, thus, more validity.
@VeganTruth To equate killing animals for food as "evil" sounds judgmental. You may not like eating animals, because you consider them "beings", but truth be told so are plants. You claim that they are "no loner needed", but if we just grew plants we'd exhaust our natural resources, i.e. soil, and consequently increase desertification a lot faster than we are now. You would need a lot more plants per person than you would need animlals per person. Your argument is senseless.
Plants are not beings. They have no brain, nervous system, communications, they cannot feel pain, etc. If you are reffering to :The Secret Life of Plants from the 60s, that was found out later in the 70s to be false. The initial tests did not use a control, and when redone in the 70s showed no positive results. Google "plant perception (a.k.a. the Backster effect)" first link on the list.
@VeganTruth Explain: allelopathy then? How do plants move? Venus fly trap? Just because there isn't a "brain" or "CNS" as we define it does not mean there isn't an analogous equipment. 2. 8/20 A.A. are needed humans don't make: R, C, D, G, H, P, S, and Y (I used the Dayhoff system for less writing). Also, certain elements like Zn. B12 is not the only one and there are plenty more.
@VeganTruth 1. They are talked about. 2. They are essential not because they are in animals, but because all proteins in the human body are made up of 20 amino acids in certain arrangements. Those arrangements give way to structure and that structure gives way to function. Hence, if we are not producing 8, or not getting 8 out of those 20 many essential proteins we have and use wouldn't function. Example of two: antigens, or insulin. 2. Again "veggies" have analogous CNS systems.
@VeganTruth Another problem I have with this comment is how do you know whether plants are "beings"? What godly insights do you have that we don't? Scientists have trouble just defining "life" and yet, here you are defining "beings". Please share your ubermensch intellect! As for that study in the 70s, never heard of it. Thus, I was not alluding to it. I was alluding to my own research. Lastly, the Canadian doctors don't test your blood for absolutely everything. I've worked in a Canadian lab.
So, mister inishboy2 is an expert nutritionist and scientist because he has a degree. What do you say to all the researches/doctors/nutritionists who have spent there whole life working on these issues and have starkly different conclusions then yourself.
Stop being patronizing and flaunting every few minutes your degree. All it proves is that you were able to go through the required courses, doesnt mean you know much more beyond that.
@VeganTruth Why not? My nitpicking is showing that I take your comments seriously as though you believe it. It should show you more respect than anything. 2. Before you may have not meant to patronize me, but you sure are now. A degree shows that you are yes, able to get beyond courses, but some degrees, especially in science, shows you've done research. In order to get a M.S. you must do research (in science). A Ph.D. is 3 years of pure research and 1-2 years coursework. Degree = validity
"if we just grew plants we'd exhaust our natural resources, i.e. soil, and consequently increase desertification a lot faster than we are now."
you obviously do not understand how animals are grown. 70% of the farm land used in the USA is destined to feed farm animals. It takes a lot of corn/grain/soy to feed billions of animals. We could eat that food directly, rather then raise animals and feed them.
@hondaboii89 Not true. Animal's main reason for being on earth is do to evolution not for our gratification. As omnivores we eat them, but they weren't specifically made so we eat them. We evolved based on our food source, which was them. There is no purpose to animal life, just as, I suspect, no cosmic plan for human life. What is a fact is that we are omnivores and hence, predators, which is why we have carnivorous teeth. That should be your argument instead of some religious notion.
@VeganTruth Although I disagree with his comments, I believe your patronizing him is even worse. Your arguments have been senseless and ridiculous. The only reason why a vegan diet works for you is because you live in the West. However, if we were to share our resources with the world, especially 3rd world nations, you will learn fast that we cannot have a sole vegan diet, even if we wanted to implement it. It would do more harm to the environment compared to any fossil fuel burning.
My apologies if i sound patronizing, was not my intention.
"The only reason why a vegan diet works for you is because you live in the West." the very same thing can be said about the western diet, as no one on earth eats as much meat and dairy. The 3rd world is a different issue, and until they can deal with the poverty, i personally feel they need to do what they need to do. 1st world nations CAN do something, and therefore should. We dont have their excuse.
@VeganTruth What you are saying infringes on people's personal liberties and thus, enslaving them rather than freeing them. People who choose to eat meat should be able too and thus, the first world nations should not do anything, because that would rely on indoctrination and moral teaching. 2 things of which are prohibited in our constitution. You may not morally agree, but that doesn't mean others agree.
so by that logic it should be ok to be a racist, or sexist, because by telling people that they are wrong, and that they should stop, you are infringing on there personal liberties. What about the right to live life? Why are animals treated as once slaves were (minus the eating part)?
Your argument is a lot like the arguments floating around when slavery was on the table for discussion. You fail to see the inherent value in animals past on how we use them.
@VeganTruth 1. As long as those things don't infringe on another's personal rights, yes, they are o.k.. However, you accept the consequences, just like any action, for good or bad that come with those views. 2. A right to live is for a human, not an animal. An animal has privileges, which are different than rights. Do you think a tiger when it hunts considers the gazelles rights? I mean this is the whole point of survival. Kill what you must for food or protection.
the difference between us and the tiger: it does so because it needs to kill in order to live. we do not. Plus we can make rational choices, not only on instinct.
Im not a speciest, so i dont discriminate on arbitrary criteria, just because it suites my lifestyle.
I have enough of wasting arguing with you. I have more productive things to do.
@VeganTruth Does it not take a certain amount of rational for a tiger to calculate it must kill, because it is hungry? When you think about it, what makes something rational versus passion or rational versus irrational? I think that is a very complex conversation, but one thing is for sure, you can't say a tiger is not just based on your subjective view. You do discriminate. How do I know? You kill plants that's a species, that's alive, and therefore, you are killing a living thing.
@VeganTruth Because I know you will say but humans are "higher organisms". Well, we are also prejudice organisms. We don't mind killing a bacterium, or a plant, but care about killing an animal. As if a bacterium or plant are any less alive than that of an animal, because they may not lack certain organs, or feel "pain" the way we do. As "higher organisms" we need to not make rules and then, make exceptions. We must be consistent. The only life with inherent rights are humans.
I am not a vegitarian, but I have great respect for my friends who are, and I do quite a few vegitarian dishes. However, I do eat meat sparingly, and only organic (grass fed) and sustainably farmed. I use local farmers I know and trust and who are committed to the environment.
I don't think anyone should be criticized for wanting to be a vegetarian so long as they don't fudge the facts. People who eat meat moderately are actually healthier than most vegetarians. However, most meat eaters are over eaters and therefore, they are less healthy for that reason. Nevertheless, plants are alive too, why don't you care about killing them? Just because they don't make noises does not mean they don't feel "pain". If you want more of an explanation of an analogous CNS let me know
vegetarians piss me off,with the i will live longer and lok younger,thats great for you if you want to live till ur 100 have somebody change ur diaper,me im dying when im 70 because i love meat,red meat,none of this i only chicken and fish crap big slabs of beef,delicious,my cousin owns a farm and under european law they cant feed the same things to cattle as americans do to make them grow faster and bigger,and there are better living conditions for them so its not that bad.
Earlier this year I gave up meat for two weeks to write an article for our school newspaper. It actually wasn't that difficult but it is a good learning experience.
@nikvlogs I wish everyone would try it! Just to prove to themselves that they can. I don't expect everyone/anyone to be vegetarian, just to be conscious that it's possible if they want to.
I have tried to become vegetarian but it didn't really work out well. I understand how inhumane some of the slaughter houses can be so my family started buying free-range meat and eggs and stuff along with organic products. I do eat a lot of pasta and I never eat meat pastas though. Btw, since you've become vegetarian how has your health improved?
I've been veggie for over 15 years and never regretted it. The food is always great and the results, emotionally, spiritually and physically are very positive. I still worry that I don't get enough protein but thats about the only thing.
Personally, I learned about vegetarianism from a close friend. He's a much better cook that I am so he really knew how to make some great meals. I was also inspired by Paul and Linda McCartney. I still think that Paul is a great spokesman for vegetarianism.
@brentbraniff You cannot say the 'physical" part is very "positive" without comprehensive physicals, which no physician in the U.S. will perform without payment up front. No insurance will be willing to pay for that either and the costs sear up to $10,000+. You have a right to your beliefs my problem with this video is his "try living without meat for a week". Well, what if someone told him try "living with meat for a week". Would he do it? I don't like being lectured.
@inishboy2 I just do what I do. My choice to be a vegetarian is my choice. What you do with your life is your choice. Its not my concern. I was just expressing my experience with vegetarianism. Its more than likely not perfect, but what is. I like it...end of story.
@brentbraniff I respect that. What you do is your business and I will never criticize a person for it (so long as it doesn't effect society as a whole [i.e. drug legalization or cigarrette smoking I believe should be illegal]). However, don't claim being "healthier" than anyone else, because that's where anyone can argue your point not being valid. I'm sure Vegetarianism is a fine way to live just not applicable to a large scale community, or country.
Wow...we think exactly the same; I might eat a hamburger, but I couldn't care less about steak or pork chops, etc..I am not a vegetarian, but I just don't care much for meat.
I try it but as a runner is hard to replace the high protein needs. I don't eat beef, but I eat birds like chicken and turkey. I am thankful for the food I eat so I hate wasting food.
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@rems025 That's why they make protein shakes, beans, protein pills, & much more. I have friend that does triathalons, & runs also, & he is a straight vegan. I honestly couldn't go vegan. I am just a vegatarian, i'll drink milk & eat cheese & organic eggs (:
niggahbestunnin 3 weeks ago
@rems025 The best ultra marathoner in the world is vegan no excuses
MLGPeppy 2 weeks ago
Respect :)
rahul727 2 months ago
Good video mark i hope it inspires other people to go vegan seeing this.The life force that runs in us is the same in those animals they have feelings too. love,care,affection are true human qualities i think somewhere down the line to satisfy our tongue we are forgetting our true nature.
harekrishna676 3 months ago
Lets do it
mrkarlramirez 5 months ago
You know animals are killed for scientific research everyday, the same research how we find cures for diseases, do you have a problem with this animals dying? then you should give up medicine as well as eating meat. Also you should give up all your cosmetic products that are tested on animals or your just a hypocrite.
liktorlemon 1 year ago
@liktorlemon Do you ever stop and think about what your talking about? Cures are a necessity. Meat as food isn't. There's always organic and cruelty-free substitutes to all kind of cosmetics. I'm not going to get into detail about it. Have a good day.
LeegeeLegit 4 months ago
Dont you think its hypocritical to say that you don't feel guilty about eating salads when you had to kill plants. Plants are living breathing things just like animals and just because they don't have faces doesn't mean they don't have the same lifeforce/soul that animals have. Either way we have to kill something in order for us to survive. As long as we recognize and respect that the animal gave up their life so we can eat, i see nothing wrong with eating meat.
liktorlemon 1 year ago
@liktorlemon i know this is an old comment, but i just felt compelled to point out that although the plant may be living, it cannot feel. it has no central nervous system, it cannot feel pain, it cannot love, it does not give direct birth to their offspring. if you rip a flower out of the ground, you will not hear it scream. if you rip a limb off an animal, it will scream and feel pain. xx
JennaSweeeet 6 months ago
I put the challenge to you to try and go for a week without eating sugar or chemicals.
There's sugar in a most bread, baked beans, peanut butter. check some ingredients, you'll be surprised at how much food you eat has sugar in it.
I was especially surprised at all the "numbers" listed in ingredients. things like preservatives. acidity regulators, flavor enhancers, etc.
I noticed a massive improvement in my concentration ability when I first did this. let me know if you try/how things go. =)
bazz991 1 year ago
OMG. You are TOTALLY just like me, the fact that it happens AT ALL was enough to make me go veghead! Rock on Vegetarians! :D <3
I cry so much when I see an animal crying in pain, like no joke. I can't watch Peta vids that often or I'll probably become seriously depressed. XD;;
SerenityShootingStar 1 year ago
@SerenityShootingStar haha same here! I tried to watch a peeta film to get more aware of the cruelty but I knew I wouldn't be able to, then I just read things about slaughter houses and then decided to switch. :D
Lizzy8997 6 months ago
I am trying to go vegan right now:P If I could find Daiya cheese substitutes I could totally do it, but its so hard to find:(
Roberodification 1 year ago
good job and thanks for sharing the important message dude!
14ALL41OK 1 year ago
I feel sick now :(
BeSevered 1 year ago
boca products and morning star are great meatless products like really their amazing!! <3
CamAnn2791 1 year ago
yay! another veggie joins the ranks!
letusbelennon 1 year ago
u r aware that animals it other animals right-_-
KO1407 1 year ago
@collegeswimx That's awesome! I'm jealous!
markmywords09 1 year ago
awe you said you loved me. Well I love you back, and great video. I think people don't know and don't want to know about what goes on in those slaughter houses. It's not just about the animals but also about the illegal immigrants who have to work there for pennies on the hour. I think these companies need to be held accountable for hiring illegal immigrants and paying them almost nothing. Not only do that pay them horrible wages, but if the employee is found out they do nothing to help them.
buraburayoshi 1 year ago
@buraburayoshi Absolutely! I agree to everything you just said!
markmywords09 1 year ago
Awesome =D I've been vegetarian now for about 4 months, I just decided to try and stuck by it, so I totally agree with this video (: Might even make a response to this! =P
TheLastShadowPuppet2 1 year ago
@TheLastShadowPuppet2 Just more reason to love you Darren! I hope you do make a response! You know how happy they make me! :)
markmywords09 1 year ago
hahahaha i was a vegetarian for a year to see if I could do it. I went back to eating meet I felt sicker. So now I am veg.
I was recently talking to a person who worked at a small creamery. She said that there are still cows being slaughtered to bring your milk and cheese.... just something to think about
photogchik007 1 year ago
@photogchik007 I hate to hear that. I've replaced milk with soy milk, but I definitely haven't cut all dairy out of my diet.
markmywords09 1 year ago
I agree, and I plan to as soon as is possible, but right now i'm stuck with whatever my parents put on the table
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream That's where I was stuck for a long time. I hope you do what you believe in as soon as you can!
markmywords09 1 year ago
@markmywords09 Thanks! I hope so too!
spartacandream 1 year ago
Vegetables are living organisms. And yes the DIE when removed from the soil. But EVERYTHING will die at some point. Do plants have "Feelings"? Science and not prove or disprove this. I will go back to eating my steak now. Peace.
Tango471 1 year ago
@Tango471Sorry typo "and" should be "can"
Tango471 1 year ago
Ah Mark i love your insight on everything!
You literally have me questioning why i'm not vegetarian, and i literally don't know. Its just an idea i never really considered until now.
I think ill try vegetarian for a week and see how it goes! :)
Pixelmatt 1 year ago
@Pixelmatt How's your week going Matt?? I'm so interested!
markmywords09 1 year ago
@markmywords09 Great! I'd been under the impression it would be difficult but it's dead easy and I've tried a few new foods since starting.
My mum bought me Cumberland quorn sausages the other day and they were really tasty ^_^
Pixelmatt 1 year ago
I accept this challenge. :3
This should be interesting. ^-^
DosicoXA 1 year ago
you call chicken chicken right?
sykopwns 1 year ago
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@inishboy2 how can you liken killing an animal to cutting up veg? whichever way you look at it, chopping carrots is a lot more humane than chopping cows. just my opinion.
sisoberry 1 year ago
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sisoberry 1 year ago
if you eat dairy and eggs, you are harming the animal as much as if you eat meat. The dairy cows are abused for years, and then slaughtered in the end.
Egg laying hens have it the worst: crammed in small cages, in the dark, clipped beaks, and when they slow there production end up to be killed for meat.
Vegetarianism is not the solution. Veganism is.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth That's a matter of perspective. However, as the population increases to 10 Billion on this planet (originally the k value was 4 Billion, but thanks to a balanced diet of animals and plants we increased in to 10 Billion) we need a balanced diet. We cannot solely rely on one or the other. Relying on plants to feed a population of 10 Billion is ridiculous especially, because we are having such problems drought, famine, and worse of all, over-nitrification.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
a few problems: #1 the largest population increase is found in countries which consume the least amount of animal products: China and India. Another issue is that we shouldnt be happy that our population is growing, as there are enough issues with the population we have, and adding more people into the mix will just make it worse. The big issue with your comment is that it takes FAR more resources to produce meat then plants, and therefore will be worse environmentally.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth: 1. Is that increase due to diet, or due to breeding habits? There is a theory that 3rd world nations, or developing nations have more children due to possibilities of their children dying and need for extra hands on the farm, or work field to increase family income. There is no study that correlates diet and population increases. My point is a vegetarian diet would not be beneficial for all 6 Billion on the planet.
2. Where do you expect to grow these plants?
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
sure they have more children to work on farm land, however, even with the higher rate of infancy death, there populations are sky rocketing.
As to where to grow the plants: same place we are growing them now! Stop breeding cows, pigs, chickens, and use the land that is used to grow there food, to grow our food. Its much more efficient to eat from the source, rather then have an animal convert it into tissue.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth 1. There populations are skyrocketing for a large amount of reasons thus, you cannot win that argument. Too many extraneous variables. 2. The places we are growing these plants now are suffering from aquitifier depletion and over-nitrification. That's my point, whether for animal or human use, we must cut down on over production of plants. 3. 1 lb of meat is equiv. in dietary need of 10 lbs of fruits and veg.. Except with animals you get more A.A..
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
Ive never said, or suggested it was due to plants or animals. That was your point.
In regards to your second point: we have these problems due to eating meat. If we hadnt raised so many animals, we wouldnt have these issues. Now the issue is: our population is increasing, and the demand for meat is increasing... so the issues are only going to get worse. Consume plants directly, avoid meat/dairy, and we are already a world better.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Yes, you did. You brought up the increasing population with respect to that argument. I simply said you cannot prove why their is an increase in population and that it could be due to a mix of things not excluding diet. As for raising animals and not having these issues, well one of the reasons for the population increase is better healthcare. Perhaps we shouldn't do that either? And you asked me if I was dumb.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
how can you compare healthcare to farming practices. Apples dont equal to oranges. You are really not quite with it, and whats scarey is you have a degree which will further inflate your ego. Good luck with that. Goodbye
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth 1. Your comment said and I quote: "if we hadnt raised so many animals, we wouldnt have these issues (based on the rest I assumed you meant population increases)". Hence, my comment saying one of the reasons for population increases is due to better healthcare availability. If you really wanted to decrease the population it would be to take that away. It was my sarcastic way of saying we have a population crisis but the solution isn't to cut off food sources instead birth control.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
"1 lb of meat is equiv. in dietary need of 10 lbs of fruits and veg" proof of that?
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Sure, what's your email? My email is mpc59@georgetown.edu in case you would like to send me one.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@VeganTruth You have not answered the question about desertification, which is caused by overpopulation of agriculture as well as Climate Change. By increasing plant population you must increase animal production (fertilizer), you must increase water resources (already we are seeing depletion of aquitifiers), due to that you'll see an increase in cyanobacteria, and a change in atmospheric percentage of each of the gases due to it. Hence, it would be environmentally worse.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
I have answered your question. In order to feed billions of farm animals, you need to grow a lot of crops. The large majority of the crops we currently grow ends up as food for farm animals. If we stopped breeding animals, we wouldnt need as much farm land (we definitely wouldnt need to expand). Stop growing corn and grains for animals, and start feeding people. This will solve the issue of over-farming and soil erosion/desertification. Stop cutting forests for graze land too!
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Those crops you grow for farm animals will not feed the billions of people worldwide. They will also not give them the proper nutrition. Just because we can eat it doesn't mean it gives us what we need. As for we not needing the land if we stopped breeding the animals, you wouldn't know. That's an assumption and a large one at that. There are more humans in the world than farm animals and at a rate of 1lb meat verses 10lbs grain I think we'd be in trouble.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
yes they will easily. You dont have to eat the same crops grown for animals, but you can use the land for other crops, crops more suitable for human consumption. Please think your arguments through before making them, because this is getting annoying.
"There are more humans in the world than farm animals" : are you really that dumb? There are 50 Billion land animals killed every year worldwide. Probably another 50 billion sea creatures killed on top.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth I knew what you meant, you did not have to define it. My point is that 1. you don't know if those crops could survive there. 2. Even if it does, it doesn't answer how to fix the aquitifier depletion. 3. How would you obtain the large amounts of fertilizer? 4. Prevent drought? 5. Prevent disease? 6. Know the plants will co-exist together without problems? 7. Prevent soil erosion and over-nitrification?
inishboy2 1 year ago
I'm not a vegetarian... but I just don't like meat lol
MrJason300 1 year ago
The 18 million tons of plant protein wasted is a misconception. You can not subtract 2 from 20 to get 18. Granted, during meat processing the soft tissues like organs and entrails are discarded so there are some wasted protein due to manufacturing. However, the remaining protein went into the cows' energetic needs and was expended for cow's protein mass, maintenance, and growth. So the roughly 18 million tons or so of plant protein is in the cows. Energy simply does not disappear...
RDirective 1 year ago
Now, vegetarian makes energetic sense in the long run since you are consuming energy at the source, i.e. autotrophs. So personally, people should advocate this lifestyle based on energy instead of this hubbub about saving some animal you never see and never really care anyway.
RDirective 1 year ago
@RDirective We don't only consume for the purposes of "energy". If that were the case, you'd be right. However, there are many Amino Acids (A.A.) that we don't self-produce as well as other chemicals/compounds. Hence, animal meat is necessary. That is why we have sharper teeth than our earlier ancestors (meaning we have canines) and they died off, because they tended to be herbivorous and weren't obtaining these important compounds.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
again wrong. Have you seen pictures of the canines of a gorilla? they are absolutely massive and long... and guess what... they eat plants. Our small canines are used to rip plant matter. Try biting into a raw piece of meat and see how well our jaws or teeth do the job. We can get all the essential amino acids from plant sources.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth: 1. To make that argument more precise you should use Chimps since they are closer on the phylogenetic tree. However, these species eat insects which is their meat version. So, unless you are advocating to become insectivores your argument is flawed. Perhaps it would work on the educationally retarded, but I'm not one of them.
2. Gorillas and humans, just as chimps and humans, may be related, but doesn't mean they are identical. What one species has the other lacks. ~94% DNA match.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
i wasnt trying to compare the closest possible relation. I was simply showing that canines arent proof of what we should or should not be eating. A gorilla is pretty close to our family, and they have canines that make a lot of carnivores look wimpy.
The amount of insects that chimpanzee eat is negligible. We have other options as a more sophisticated species.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Your example was flawed that's my point. Those animals eat enough insects where they obtain the proper amount of A.A. and nutritional requirements. An insect actually has more protein than a pieces of steak. That's a fact.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
yes, maybe an insect has more protein then a stake of the same size, but chimps arent eating boat loads of insects. a few insects here and there doesnt amount to all that much.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth It is spelled "steak" not stake. Second, they eat enough to obtain the essentials they need. That was my point. Consequently, you can't say that their teeth where a result of plant, or herbivorous eating.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
you are a douche. yes i know how to spell.. it was a typo.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth No, a typo is when you spell something wrong. This was mixing up homophones. Two different concepts buddy. You are just angry that you are calling me dumb and here I am making you out to be the idiot. I'm not that other kid, I know facts and figures and you won't out smart me. My advice go back to school, or stay in school, but definitely do some more reading. And not your bias one-sided crap.
inishboy2 1 year ago
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RDirective 1 year ago
@inishboy2 Of course, there's more to eating then just energy. I didn't want to get into the nutritional aspects of vegetarian lifestyle because that's not relevant here...that and it is lengthy and involves much biochemistry that I don't want to talk about as most people do not care anyway. You can get the 10 essential aa from eating a combination of grains and beans so animal meat is unncessary in that respect.
RDirective 1 year ago
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inishboy2 1 year ago
@RDirective BTW...only 8/19 amino acids are necessary from a nutritional standpoint. I named them before for the other guy.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2 This is your list: R, C, D, G, H, P, S, and Y.
You are highly confused since that's a mixture of aa that we can and can not make...besides, you are missing M.
The actual list of essential AA is R,H,I,L,K,M,F,T,W,V.
Adult humans can get by without R as de novo is somewhat sufficient since there is no longer systemic development (not so for young humans < 18). So in all you can say 9(+/- 1) out of 20 (not 19)...unless you have an alien for a human.
Please,don't spread misinformation.
RDirective 1 year ago
@RDirective Again, I am not highly confused so stop saying that. Second I never said you need all 19 amino acids as a dietary sup. I just said that you need 8, which is on track with your 9 +/- 1. Thus, if you read my previous statement you will see that. Again, just because you don't like me you don't have to spread libel around as if I'm making things up as I go along. I'd be more than happy to prove any of my points.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2 There's nothing to prove. The 9(+/- 1) is a typographical error that I didn't want to correct. It should be 9(+1)/20, depending on developmental stage. And no, you can not live on 8 aa, so please stop saying that.
I call you highly confused because your responses demonstrate that. I have nothing against you. This will be my last post on this topic so feel free ramble on. My initial posting was only to clear up a misconception in the last part of the video and not debate anyone.
RDirective 1 year ago
@RDirective You are highly confused because if you read my comment I stated: you need the 19 amino acids but you don't synthesize 8 of them. I said 8, because in some portions of development, like you so eloquently pointed out, you need one less, or one more. Some people need more than that due to a screwed up metabolism. Stop putting sentences together that clearly do not represent what I said.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2 "The actual list of essential AA is R,H,I,L,K,M,F,T,W,V.
Adult humans can get by without R as de novo is somewhat sufficient since there is no longer systemic development (not so for young humans < 18)."
10-1 = 9 and not 8.
Please stop kicking the wall.
RDirective 1 year ago
@RDirective No, I will not stop, because you are highly confused. 1. I am responding to the fact that you put earlier that I said all 19 are needed. I never said that, I only said 8 were needed. Granted maybe 10 were needed and I didn't look that up. However, I certainly did not say what an "adult human needs" therefore, you cannot say R is not needed. I never made a distinction. Based on a website from UIC you need R as an adult so therefore, I made the mistake for thinking it was credible.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2 "1. I am responding to the fact that you put earlier that I said all 19 are needed" => I've never said anything about you stating that all 19 are needed. My respond was to your incorrect listing of essential aa.
Arginine is semiessential depending on diet and developmental stage. This aa is prevalent so as long as you eat well then de novo synthesis can make up the difference.
"I never said that, I only said 8 were needed." => I know you did and that is wrong. At least 9 is needed.
RDirective 1 year ago
@RDirective If you would like the website email me at mpc59@georgetown.edu. Now this doesn't mean that we do or don't need R. I looked it up and some websites say you don't when your an adult others say you do. I'm not sure scientist are even 100% sure so in that regard I'm not wrong. Oh,yes, and when you email me please use a university email so that I know you are worthy to continue the conversation with. I don't think you are on my educational level, but are trying to be and it's annoying.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2 Arginine is semiessential. End of story. Essential aa is essential for the reason that complete absence leads to sickness and eventual death, obviously. So your account of only 8 essential aa would lead to death.
"I don't think you are on my educational level, but are trying to be and it's annoying. " => Being derisive is also annoying not to mention poor conversational etiquette. It also has the added benefit of cheapening your much flaunted education/intelligence.
RDirective 1 year ago
@RDirective 1. Every human is unique, just as ever organism, thus, depending upon the human 8 essential A.A. could be correct. Most require 10, but some require 9, others 11.
2. I'm not continuing with this argument anymore. I think we both said our piece you are just trying to get me for not mentioning 2/10 of the A.A. and mentioning 1 semi-needed AA. However, it won't work.
inishboy2 1 year ago
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RDirective 1 year ago
@inishboy2 "1. Every human is unique, just as ever organism, thus, depending upon the human 8 essential A.A. could be correct. Most require 10, but some require 9, others 11. " => This is equivocal.
"2. I'm not continuing with this argument anymore. I think we both said our piece you are just trying to get me for not mentioning 2/10 of the A.A. and mentioning 1 semi-needed AA. However, it won't work. " => I not out to get you. I only corrected your essential aa listing,which was misinformation.
RDirective 1 year ago
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RDirective 1 year ago
@RDirective I've chosen this lifestyle for both reasons you've stated above. I don't think there's any flaw in caring for something other than just humans.
markmywords09 1 year ago
@markmywords09 Naturally, it is just one of several line of reasoning.
RDirective 1 year ago
@RDirective The law of conservation of energy has an exception. (Look up particle physics) Energy can be created and destroyed in small amounts, but tends to be recycled. However, you are beginning to make science sound like the Catholic religion's notion of the Pascal mysteries. Energy was always there and will always be there, but the question is if it's not created or destroyed, how did it come to be? Thus, the new theory in particle physics.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2 You are highly confused...energy can only be transformed. This is the most basic physical concept that most people do not get. I will not discuss what energy is or how it was created or not created as that is not relevant here. On the other hand, you really need to understand the two laws of thermodynamic first before even venturing into particle physics, which is based solely on the fact that energy is conserved and can only be transformed.
RDirective 1 year ago
@RDirective No, I am not highly confused. Energy can be created from nowhere for a short amount of time cause of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. The particle that are created are called "virtual particles" and are always created in pair because of conservation laws (charge, ...). Energy conservation can be violated for short times and this happens all the time. In the same way we can describe interactions in quantum electro dynamics. The hawking effect is based on this energy creation.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2 I removed my comment because of a typographical error. As to your reply about virtual particles, it is highly irrelevant. As far as nutrition is concerned, humans do not run on virtual particles nor Hawking radiation...Since the virtual particles are energy neutral, there is no violation of energy conservation and no net gain in total energy. In Hawking radiation, gravity potential energy is transformed into mass and radiation...even this is not energy creation.
RDirective 1 year ago
@RDirective It is relevant, because my point was energy can be created and destroyed and you cannot exclusively say it can't. Humans run on atoms and atoms have protons and electrons which do run on virtual particles that create and destroy energy. Please refer to the standard model that explains force and matter. I believe bestofscience has a youtube video about it. You are wrong and you look like an idiot for trying to defend a view that is clearly ancient.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2 Okay, then bake me a virtual particle cake. When you are done let me know and I will personally eat it. Oh and be sure to decorate the cake with the standard model. It makes the cake extra special. If you don't want to pay for the material cost, then I will. I will even ship a piece to "bestofscience" as a tribute for explaining things so well.
If you can't do the above, then consider yourself free to ramble on about how irrelevant you sound. =)
RDirective 1 year ago
@RDirective I don't know why my comment didn't appear. My point was energy can be created and destroyed therefore it is relevant. It is relevant to human dietary needs, because in every piece of food there contains molecules. Those molecules are composed of atoms and those atoms composed of subatomic particles and then, elementary particles. Protons and electrons are attracted to each other are due to virtual particles that create small amounts of energy and destroy it within a brief period.
inishboy2 1 year ago
I see where you're coming from, however, God put the animals on Earth for us to eat. Granted, they should be slaughtered as humanely as possible. The protein, other vitamins and minerals in meat are essential for humans to survive. I know you can take the vitamin supplements to make up for it, but still, that's what certain animals are here for.
hondaboii89 1 year ago
@hondaboii89
does god talk to you to let you know that he put these animals on this planet for us to enslave and slaughter?
You can get everything you need from meat from non-meat sources. You dont need supplements.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Now, was that really necessary to say it like that? Animal's main reason for being on Earth was originally to eat, use for tools, transportation, weapons, clothing, and some American Indian tribes would use some bones or the skull as bowls/plates. They were vital to human survival for thousands of years and are still being used for many purposes today.
hondaboii89 1 year ago
@hondaboii89
just because we have used them in the past in ways that perhaps helped us live, they no longer need to be used in this way. What once was a necessary evil has just become an evil. We dont need animals for survival. We use them for entertainment, clothing, and food. Animals are not things, but beings. Not our equals, but not the same as a stereo, or sofa, or rock, or personal possession to be used and discarded.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth well, I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree..
hondaboii89 1 year ago
@hondaboii89
what you think we still need them for something? Are they the same as a stereo?
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth We're both going to stand our ground, so we just have to agree to disagree.
hondaboii89 1 year ago
@hondaboii89 No, you can make better arguments. Your arguments were flawed so this person was able to just step on you. I tend to agree with your stance that meat is needed in a balanced lifestyle, but the way you argued your point made me question whether you understand why it's needed.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2 I really don't think it's THAT important to make a vegan understand.
hondaboii89 1 year ago
@VeganTruth No, they are more important than a stereo. We need animal meat for amino acids and other chemical elements and compounds we don't produce (i.e. zinc for zinc-fingers on a protein). Your solution would probably be: create a vitamin. My problem with that is that there are so many things plants can't give us that we would need to be taking a 1000 vitamins a day just to sustain a health co-existence.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
please name for me what is needed in meat, and not available in non-meat sources. If you are going to say B12, B12 is produced by bacteria, and not by animals. It is found in soil, and used to be much more present in our diets however modern farming practices have dwindled the availability. It was found in streams/rivers, but now we chlorinate everything. If we lived more naturally, without meat, we would have no lack of b12.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
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@inishboy2
"that there are so many things plants can't give us that we would need to be taking a 1000 vitamins a day just to sustain a health co-existence."
where is your proof? ive been meat free for 15 years and have annual blood work done. Im more then healthy. So what do you think meat has that i need and cant find in plant sources?
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Then, you are going to tell me, but wait, I am "healthy" and so are other vegans. And I am going to tell you based on the regular physicals, you probably are, but if they did a comprehensive study of your blood (which would cost $10,000+) they would find that you are not. They won't do this, because no insurance company in the world would pay for it, even with an argument of preventative care. This is unnecessary testing. How do I know? M.D./Ph.D. student at Georgetown.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
i bet if you took anyone under that test, everyone would fail. I live in Canada, and health care is paid by my taxes. I get a long list of things tested every time i go. If the other test were important, they would do them.
You are a student, not a doctor, so dont overstep yourself.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth: Are you not over stepping your balance for saying you are "healthier" and being vegetarian contributed to that factor? Unless you ARE are doctor, or a scientist with at least a Ph.D. you are overstepping your balance. Thus, as someone who has obtained a B.S. and M.S. in Biology and Biochemistry and Molecular Biology my points are more valid. Especially considering my university. Even in Canada they have heard of Georgetown.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
I may be overstepping my bounds in terms of "healthier", however all the nutritionists and doctors (ones that have spent years of research in the field, unlike yourself) that i have seen do presentations have spoken of the things i am mentioning.
Im not saying you can measure how much or less healthy a well balanced vegan diet is in relation to a low fat, low meat omnivorous diet is, however there is strong evidence that meat in even moderate amounts is unhealthful.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Again you are full of assumptions. How do you know I didn't work or do research in a lab for years? I never personally insulted you and because you are loosing this argument you resort to petty comments. If those scientist want to make that claim they may, but they must have the degrees to prove it and the research to prove it. It's not a simply I'll take you at your word.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
i know because your comments are unfounded and often obviously unresearched. The researches/doctors/etc have more degrees and experience then either of us.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Which ones? (pertaining to my comments) As for the doctoral degree they only have one degree that I am missing, the doctorate degree, which I am in the current process of obtaining. Plus, some doctorate candidates don't even have a Masters. Thus, I may have one degree that they don't. You don't have the degrees to compare, I do, thus, more validity.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@VeganTruth To equate killing animals for food as "evil" sounds judgmental. You may not like eating animals, because you consider them "beings", but truth be told so are plants. You claim that they are "no loner needed", but if we just grew plants we'd exhaust our natural resources, i.e. soil, and consequently increase desertification a lot faster than we are now. You would need a lot more plants per person than you would need animlals per person. Your argument is senseless.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
Plants are not beings. They have no brain, nervous system, communications, they cannot feel pain, etc. If you are reffering to :The Secret Life of Plants from the 60s, that was found out later in the 70s to be false. The initial tests did not use a control, and when redone in the 70s showed no positive results. Google "plant perception (a.k.a. the Backster effect)" first link on the list.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Explain: allelopathy then? How do plants move? Venus fly trap? Just because there isn't a "brain" or "CNS" as we define it does not mean there isn't an analogous equipment. 2. 8/20 A.A. are needed humans don't make: R, C, D, G, H, P, S, and Y (I used the Dayhoff system for less writing). Also, certain elements like Zn. B12 is not the only one and there are plenty more.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
if they are essential, then why are they not talked about? Just because they are found in animal products doesnt make them essential.
I dont eat venus fly traps. I eat fruit (designed to be eaten to pass the seeds on) and veggies.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth 1. They are talked about. 2. They are essential not because they are in animals, but because all proteins in the human body are made up of 20 amino acids in certain arrangements. Those arrangements give way to structure and that structure gives way to function. Hence, if we are not producing 8, or not getting 8 out of those 20 many essential proteins we have and use wouldn't function. Example of two: antigens, or insulin. 2. Again "veggies" have analogous CNS systems.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Another problem I have with this comment is how do you know whether plants are "beings"? What godly insights do you have that we don't? Scientists have trouble just defining "life" and yet, here you are defining "beings". Please share your ubermensch intellect! As for that study in the 70s, never heard of it. Thus, I was not alluding to it. I was alluding to my own research. Lastly, the Canadian doctors don't test your blood for absolutely everything. I've worked in a Canadian lab.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
stop nit picking on semantics.
So, mister inishboy2 is an expert nutritionist and scientist because he has a degree. What do you say to all the researches/doctors/nutritionists who have spent there whole life working on these issues and have starkly different conclusions then yourself.
Stop being patronizing and flaunting every few minutes your degree. All it proves is that you were able to go through the required courses, doesnt mean you know much more beyond that.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Why not? My nitpicking is showing that I take your comments seriously as though you believe it. It should show you more respect than anything. 2. Before you may have not meant to patronize me, but you sure are now. A degree shows that you are yes, able to get beyond courses, but some degrees, especially in science, shows you've done research. In order to get a M.S. you must do research (in science). A Ph.D. is 3 years of pure research and 1-2 years coursework. Degree = validity
inishboy2 1 year ago
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@inishboy2
"if we just grew plants we'd exhaust our natural resources, i.e. soil, and consequently increase desertification a lot faster than we are now."
you obviously do not understand how animals are grown. 70% of the farm land used in the USA is destined to feed farm animals. It takes a lot of corn/grain/soy to feed billions of animals. We could eat that food directly, rather then raise animals and feed them.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@hondaboii89 Not true. Animal's main reason for being on earth is do to evolution not for our gratification. As omnivores we eat them, but they weren't specifically made so we eat them. We evolved based on our food source, which was them. There is no purpose to animal life, just as, I suspect, no cosmic plan for human life. What is a fact is that we are omnivores and hence, predators, which is why we have carnivorous teeth. That should be your argument instead of some religious notion.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Although I disagree with his comments, I believe your patronizing him is even worse. Your arguments have been senseless and ridiculous. The only reason why a vegan diet works for you is because you live in the West. However, if we were to share our resources with the world, especially 3rd world nations, you will learn fast that we cannot have a sole vegan diet, even if we wanted to implement it. It would do more harm to the environment compared to any fossil fuel burning.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
My apologies if i sound patronizing, was not my intention.
"The only reason why a vegan diet works for you is because you live in the West." the very same thing can be said about the western diet, as no one on earth eats as much meat and dairy. The 3rd world is a different issue, and until they can deal with the poverty, i personally feel they need to do what they need to do. 1st world nations CAN do something, and therefore should. We dont have their excuse.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth What you are saying infringes on people's personal liberties and thus, enslaving them rather than freeing them. People who choose to eat meat should be able too and thus, the first world nations should not do anything, because that would rely on indoctrination and moral teaching. 2 things of which are prohibited in our constitution. You may not morally agree, but that doesn't mean others agree.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
so by that logic it should be ok to be a racist, or sexist, because by telling people that they are wrong, and that they should stop, you are infringing on there personal liberties. What about the right to live life? Why are animals treated as once slaves were (minus the eating part)?
Your argument is a lot like the arguments floating around when slavery was on the table for discussion. You fail to see the inherent value in animals past on how we use them.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth 1. As long as those things don't infringe on another's personal rights, yes, they are o.k.. However, you accept the consequences, just like any action, for good or bad that come with those views. 2. A right to live is for a human, not an animal. An animal has privileges, which are different than rights. Do you think a tiger when it hunts considers the gazelles rights? I mean this is the whole point of survival. Kill what you must for food or protection.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2
the difference between us and the tiger: it does so because it needs to kill in order to live. we do not. Plus we can make rational choices, not only on instinct.
Im not a speciest, so i dont discriminate on arbitrary criteria, just because it suites my lifestyle.
I have enough of wasting arguing with you. I have more productive things to do.
VeganTruth 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Does it not take a certain amount of rational for a tiger to calculate it must kill, because it is hungry? When you think about it, what makes something rational versus passion or rational versus irrational? I think that is a very complex conversation, but one thing is for sure, you can't say a tiger is not just based on your subjective view. You do discriminate. How do I know? You kill plants that's a species, that's alive, and therefore, you are killing a living thing.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@VeganTruth Because I know you will say but humans are "higher organisms". Well, we are also prejudice organisms. We don't mind killing a bacterium, or a plant, but care about killing an animal. As if a bacterium or plant are any less alive than that of an animal, because they may not lack certain organs, or feel "pain" the way we do. As "higher organisms" we need to not make rules and then, make exceptions. We must be consistent. The only life with inherent rights are humans.
inishboy2 1 year ago
I am not a vegitarian, but I have great respect for my friends who are, and I do quite a few vegitarian dishes. However, I do eat meat sparingly, and only organic (grass fed) and sustainably farmed. I use local farmers I know and trust and who are committed to the environment.
watertower12 1 year ago
@watertower12 Every little bit you do is a step forward! In my opinion at least!
markmywords09 1 year ago
I don't think anyone should be criticized for wanting to be a vegetarian so long as they don't fudge the facts. People who eat meat moderately are actually healthier than most vegetarians. However, most meat eaters are over eaters and therefore, they are less healthy for that reason. Nevertheless, plants are alive too, why don't you care about killing them? Just because they don't make noises does not mean they don't feel "pain". If you want more of an explanation of an analogous CNS let me know
inishboy2 1 year ago 6
@inishboy2 explain to me how... a vegetable feels physical pain?
HideandGoCollab 1 year ago
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adorablerichie2009 1 year ago
vegetarians piss me off,with the i will live longer and lok younger,thats great for you if you want to live till ur 100 have somebody change ur diaper,me im dying when im 70 because i love meat,red meat,none of this i only chicken and fish crap big slabs of beef,delicious,my cousin owns a farm and under european law they cant feed the same things to cattle as americans do to make them grow faster and bigger,and there are better living conditions for them so its not that bad.
ThePaag1 1 year ago
Been one for over 25 years - you'll live longer, be happier, and look younger as you age!!! Good choice - long live PETA!
dlyc4714 1 year ago
Totes agree with you!
The environmental impact of rearing meat is incredibly negative on the environment,
thenewcognito 1 year ago
but eating milk, eggs, butter etc is still supporting the meat industry and is harming animals still.
skywards16 1 year ago
I was a vegetarian for 4 years. Fish caved me.
edgehaedjr 1 year ago
@edgehaedjr It's rough to stay away from seafood....that's always been my weakness!
markmywords09 1 year ago
@markmywords09 Me too, but I had to try. *Eats sushi*
edgehaedjr 1 year ago
I'm a weird meat eater, I don't actually like the taste of beef, I just hate cows ... so very much. (:
finny6 1 year ago
Earlier this year I gave up meat for two weeks to write an article for our school newspaper. It actually wasn't that difficult but it is a good learning experience.
nikvlogs 1 year ago
@nikvlogs I wish everyone would try it! Just to prove to themselves that they can. I don't expect everyone/anyone to be vegetarian, just to be conscious that it's possible if they want to.
markmywords09 1 year ago
I eat a lot of chicken,meat maybe once every 2 weeks. I think I could do it for a week. Peace
choro1981 1 year ago
been a vegetarian for 6months now. For the exact same reasons. <3
RetroProject 1 year ago
I have tried to become vegetarian but it didn't really work out well. I understand how inhumane some of the slaughter houses can be so my family started buying free-range meat and eggs and stuff along with organic products. I do eat a lot of pasta and I never eat meat pastas though. Btw, since you've become vegetarian how has your health improved?
TheZyking 1 year ago
I've been veggie for over 15 years and never regretted it. The food is always great and the results, emotionally, spiritually and physically are very positive. I still worry that I don't get enough protein but thats about the only thing.
Personally, I learned about vegetarianism from a close friend. He's a much better cook that I am so he really knew how to make some great meals. I was also inspired by Paul and Linda McCartney. I still think that Paul is a great spokesman for vegetarianism.
brentbraniff 1 year ago
@brentbraniff You cannot say the 'physical" part is very "positive" without comprehensive physicals, which no physician in the U.S. will perform without payment up front. No insurance will be willing to pay for that either and the costs sear up to $10,000+. You have a right to your beliefs my problem with this video is his "try living without meat for a week". Well, what if someone told him try "living with meat for a week". Would he do it? I don't like being lectured.
inishboy2 1 year ago
@inishboy2 I just do what I do. My choice to be a vegetarian is my choice. What you do with your life is your choice. Its not my concern. I was just expressing my experience with vegetarianism. Its more than likely not perfect, but what is. I like it...end of story.
brentbraniff 1 year ago
@brentbraniff I respect that. What you do is your business and I will never criticize a person for it (so long as it doesn't effect society as a whole [i.e. drug legalization or cigarrette smoking I believe should be illegal]). However, don't claim being "healthier" than anyone else, because that's where anyone can argue your point not being valid. I'm sure Vegetarianism is a fine way to live just not applicable to a large scale community, or country.
inishboy2 1 year ago
Wow...we think exactly the same; I might eat a hamburger, but I couldn't care less about steak or pork chops, etc..I am not a vegetarian, but I just don't care much for meat.
tattooedboy04 1 year ago
steak ftw
whateverfin 1 year ago