and to the red neck looking feller complaining about the estetics, he's the l5ast house before the flat rock in, on the flat rock road.... take a look at it when you go by, you'll see that the turbines aren't the only thing bringing his shitty looking property value down... clean up the garbage before you bitch about estetics...
And for the proponents.... I'm not different than anyone else with a normal degree of common sense. I'd like to see local, residential energy generation and conservation everywhere. Residential windmills, rooftop solar, geothermal, biomass if you have livestock etc. etc. If the Billions that are being put into only Industrial Wind were, instead, put into personal power generation and technology to improve energy conservation, we'd be much better off.
Do we need Wind Turbines. Absolutely. But the investment should be commensurate with the efficiency, actual output, and impact on people, community and the environment. The same logic that applies to hydro, nuclear, solar, gas- and coal-fired generating plants should be applied here. Industrial Wind Turbines should go where there is LOTS of constant wind and very few people - JUST like all the other power plants.
A lot of people are getting rich on Industrial Wind. But it IS NOT the taxpayers, the communities, the local labour force, or even Ontario that is reaping the reward. It is large multi-nationals (strangely enough often heavily funded or owned by Big-Oil) that are earning hugh profits from implementing this expensive, marginal source of renewable energy.
If you have the audacity to speak of the people living within 2kms who have some degree of sleep disruption with the resulting health impacts, you're told that they are all psychosomatic and NIMBYs. Finally, the worst lie of all, the industry actually says that property values increase!! Which is frankly, a bold and utter lie. Nothing is free, everything has benefits and impacts. And I'd feel better about the Wind Industry if they simply accepted that communities pay a price for Wind.
This discussion from 2 years ago is the same thing that is going on here. If you stand up and publicly say what's wrong with industrial turbines, you're immediately labelled "anti-green"; if you point out that technology has advanced and new nuclear plants produce 1/10th of the waste of the ones that are currently online, you're told its lies; if you point out that the newest coal-fired plant tech has reduced pollutants by 80%, you're told that you support lung cancer.
We're starting to go through this in Ontario now. Here, the local communities have been legally barred from having any say in the siting and construction of wind turbines. They can basically go anywhere that the wind industry chooses if they find a willing farmer to lease his land. Big, big money going to the developers, guaranteed (by the govt i.e. the taxpayers) profitable pricing for 20 years.
(WindIsNotGreen) You don't know what the fuck your talking about the power that's is generated go's in to the grid there is no compensation for when there down.Second they are 80 meters we don't include the blades just to the nacelle.Third they shut down at 56mph or 25 meters.The blades do not fly off of the V82s the video that you get your info is old euro towers with on pitch system.Quit spreading propaganda you douche.There is nothing bad about turbines..So stop talking out your ass
just to make sure, he was complaining about a Shadow???????????All of the ppl in this town are ignorant you should be more worried about the cow piss and shit smell that envelopes everything more than a helpful product.If you did not want them you should have got to the town meetings..
Tons of planning and research is done to put those things up. Seems like the area's just need to be even more remote. I remember 20 years ago driving in the interstate in california and those winmills were everywhere. In the 100's. Maybe 1000 or so of them. It was a great site. The thing is, they were far far away from any residential area. I'm sorry your planning commission and residents approved this construction project. Good windmills, but in a bad area.
The Bovina Town Board banned wind turbines from this scenic Catskill town. Bovina is the first town in the Catskills to take a clear position against industrial wind development. The Bovina vote follows a twelve-month moratorium during which residents made their views known to town officials through open meetings sponsored by the board, hundreds of letters, a town survey, a petition, and a poll sponsored by industrial wind opponents. The vote was three in favor of a ban, one opposed.
For every Megawatt of "Wind" if and when it blows enough the state needs to add an equal amount of conventional standby electricity (Oil gas etc) to cover when the wind DOES not blow which does happen you can probably agree with that. The big 400 ft plus Turbines have a cut-off when the wind blows over 25 miles an hour - for safety reasons - they do have their blades fly off - they do go on fire when they do not shut off automatically.
All this waste will be transported through towns and cities near you. Nuclear waste remains radioactive for 10,000 to 250,000 years and it is not completely shielded during transportation.
Say what you want about solar and wind but it beats all others in cleanliness and production to cleanliness ratio. And don't be quick to forget that since the conception of nuclear power 50 years ago there has been no method of disposing of the nuclear waste created by these power plants and starting about 2010 all that nuclear waste from the United States 103 nuclear power plants will begin being transported to the Yucca Mountain Repository for permanent storage.
The emerging clean renewable energy technologies could be the "New Deal" of energy. It will produce new jobs, new business, and benefit the economy in the long run. I just hope that narrow minded fools who refuse to educate themselves on an issue before attacking it are not influential enough to cause any significant damage to the movement toward cleaner energy and a healthier America.
We can't eat fish because of mercury, coal miners die from black lung and mining accidents those involved in the mining, enrichment, and transportation of uranium and nuclear waste are exposed to deadly radiation which leads to death. I'm sorry but I can't see where any of the impacts of wind farms justify the use of old energy technology.
It is one of our country's most valuable natural resources and the technology of harnessing that energy is still relatively new in relation to the scale it is being used on today. But the fact remains, global warming and climate change aside, current mainstream energy production methods are dirty and their pollutants are ruining are environment as well as are health, they are causing cancer, asthma, neurological and developmental damage among other things.
Ignorance is seldom bliss. I know I would rather have those side effects rather than an annoying shadow or the sound of a turbine. I'm sorry if I come off as condescending but please people wind energy is green energy. It produces no pollution past the stage of production and it is to America what oil is to Saudi Arabia.
Radiation emissions into the air, nuclear waste storage, the threat of possible reactor or facility failure killing tens of thousands of people or the air pollutants of coal not to mention the mercury and sulfur pollution slowly killing their entire community all these consequences are subtle.
I would like to see there reactions if a nuclear or coal fired power plant was constructed in there area. Most likely they would be content because the true inconveniences of those types of facilities would not be so obvious.
I am sorry to say but it is uneducated backwoods citizens like those portrayed in this video that are the problem with the United States. People afraid of change and unwilling to make a sacrifice for a greater good.
WTF - uneducated backwoods citizens? I guess everyone cant be as educated and smart as you. These uneducated backwoods citizens are the people who put FOOD on your table. Call your local Wind Developer and ask them if they can put a 400 ft turbine in your backyard so they can make millions and you cant even use the electric. See how much you like it. It is stupid tree huggers like you that this country is in the shape it is in NOW. Not the uneducated backwoods citizens
I am sorry that your town was abused. I'm sure the noise is a complete nuisance. I work for my dad; we make wind turbines....silent small scale turbines that are unobtrusive to the earth and the surrounding environment.This makes me feel sick. We did it to prove that there is such a thing as clean energy and everyone is entitled to have it. I hope you do not completely shy away from wind energy; there are many people in the industry who really care. My thoughts are with your whole community.
BOVINA TOWN BOARD ENDORSES WIND TURBINE BAN -- Feb 28, 2007 = In a short, dramatic meeting on February 28th, the Bovina Town Board took an important first step towards banning industrial and residential wind turbines. The four board members (Tina Mole', Randy Inman, Chuck McIntosh and Ken Brown) all agreed to submit the town's draft wind ordinance to the Delaware County Planning Board for review.
All the false and misleading claims the wind industry makes for itself work to disguise the fact that it is only a nominal producer of electricity in the eastern US. Its primary purpose is to provide extraordinary tax and income sheltering opportunities for a few wealthy investors at the expense of average taxpayers and rate payers. On a per kilowatt hour basis, wind is the most heavily subsidized source of industrialized power in the nation.
Yes, per kilowatt hour, wind is the highest subsidized power because of it's small scale. Let's look at the actual numbers. About $12,500,000,000 goes to coal, oil, gas and nuclear power, and about $5,000,000 goes to wind, water and solar. This does not take into account the subsidies oil and coal get on their own before it gets to the power plant.
BOVINA TOWN BOARD ENDORSES WIND TURBINE BAN -- Feb 28, 2007 = In a short, dramatic meeting on February 28th, the Bovina Town Board took an important first step towards banning industrial and residential wind turbines. The four board members (Tina Mole', Randy Inman, Chuck McIntosh and Ken Brown) all agreed to submit the town's draft wind ordinance to the Delaware County Planning Board for review.
and to the red neck looking feller complaining about the estetics, he's the l5ast house before the flat rock in, on the flat rock road.... take a look at it when you go by, you'll see that the turbines aren't the only thing bringing his shitty looking property value down... clean up the garbage before you bitch about estetics...
ronkampnich 2 months ago
And for the proponents.... I'm not different than anyone else with a normal degree of common sense. I'd like to see local, residential energy generation and conservation everywhere. Residential windmills, rooftop solar, geothermal, biomass if you have livestock etc. etc. If the Billions that are being put into only Industrial Wind were, instead, put into personal power generation and technology to improve energy conservation, we'd be much better off.
Northwesley 1 year ago
Do we need Wind Turbines. Absolutely. But the investment should be commensurate with the efficiency, actual output, and impact on people, community and the environment. The same logic that applies to hydro, nuclear, solar, gas- and coal-fired generating plants should be applied here. Industrial Wind Turbines should go where there is LOTS of constant wind and very few people - JUST like all the other power plants.
Northwesley 1 year ago
A lot of people are getting rich on Industrial Wind. But it IS NOT the taxpayers, the communities, the local labour force, or even Ontario that is reaping the reward. It is large multi-nationals (strangely enough often heavily funded or owned by Big-Oil) that are earning hugh profits from implementing this expensive, marginal source of renewable energy.
Northwesley 1 year ago
If you have the audacity to speak of the people living within 2kms who have some degree of sleep disruption with the resulting health impacts, you're told that they are all psychosomatic and NIMBYs. Finally, the worst lie of all, the industry actually says that property values increase!! Which is frankly, a bold and utter lie. Nothing is free, everything has benefits and impacts. And I'd feel better about the Wind Industry if they simply accepted that communities pay a price for Wind.
Northwesley 1 year ago
This discussion from 2 years ago is the same thing that is going on here. If you stand up and publicly say what's wrong with industrial turbines, you're immediately labelled "anti-green"; if you point out that technology has advanced and new nuclear plants produce 1/10th of the waste of the ones that are currently online, you're told its lies; if you point out that the newest coal-fired plant tech has reduced pollutants by 80%, you're told that you support lung cancer.
Northwesley 1 year ago
We're starting to go through this in Ontario now. Here, the local communities have been legally barred from having any say in the siting and construction of wind turbines. They can basically go anywhere that the wind industry chooses if they find a willing farmer to lease his land. Big, big money going to the developers, guaranteed (by the govt i.e. the taxpayers) profitable pricing for 20 years.
Northwesley 1 year ago
Nice touch adding the windmill sound in the background of the final message.
RATHAHONNI 2 years ago
(WindIsNotGreen) You don't know what the fuck your talking about the power that's is generated go's in to the grid there is no compensation for when there down.Second they are 80 meters we don't include the blades just to the nacelle.Third they shut down at 56mph or 25 meters.The blades do not fly off of the V82s the video that you get your info is old euro towers with on pitch system.Quit spreading propaganda you douche.There is nothing bad about turbines..So stop talking out your ass
carbonfiber00001 3 years ago
@carbonfiber00001 They have no place on the ground we live off of. They have theyre place and its on uninhabitable spaces.
stealthmeth 2 years ago
just to make sure, he was complaining about a Shadow???????????All of the ppl in this town are ignorant you should be more worried about the cow piss and shit smell that envelopes everything more than a helpful product.If you did not want them you should have got to the town meetings..
carbonfiber00001 3 years ago
Tons of planning and research is done to put those things up. Seems like the area's just need to be even more remote. I remember 20 years ago driving in the interstate in california and those winmills were everywhere. In the 100's. Maybe 1000 or so of them. It was a great site. The thing is, they were far far away from any residential area. I'm sorry your planning commission and residents approved this construction project. Good windmills, but in a bad area.
GuzerVideo 4 years ago 2
@GuzerVideo well said
stealthmeth 2 years ago
The Bovina Town Board banned wind turbines from this scenic Catskill town. Bovina is the first town in the Catskills to take a clear position against industrial wind development. The Bovina vote follows a twelve-month moratorium during which residents made their views known to town officials through open meetings sponsored by the board, hundreds of letters, a town survey, a petition, and a poll sponsored by industrial wind opponents. The vote was three in favor of a ban, one opposed.
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
For every Megawatt of "Wind" if and when it blows enough the state needs to add an equal amount of conventional standby electricity (Oil gas etc) to cover when the wind DOES not blow which does happen you can probably agree with that. The big 400 ft plus Turbines have a cut-off when the wind blows over 25 miles an hour - for safety reasons - they do have their blades fly off - they do go on fire when they do not shut off automatically.
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
All this waste will be transported through towns and cities near you. Nuclear waste remains radioactive for 10,000 to 250,000 years and it is not completely shielded during transportation.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
Say what you want about solar and wind but it beats all others in cleanliness and production to cleanliness ratio. And don't be quick to forget that since the conception of nuclear power 50 years ago there has been no method of disposing of the nuclear waste created by these power plants and starting about 2010 all that nuclear waste from the United States 103 nuclear power plants will begin being transported to the Yucca Mountain Repository for permanent storage.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
The emerging clean renewable energy technologies could be the "New Deal" of energy. It will produce new jobs, new business, and benefit the economy in the long run. I just hope that narrow minded fools who refuse to educate themselves on an issue before attacking it are not influential enough to cause any significant damage to the movement toward cleaner energy and a healthier America.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
We can't eat fish because of mercury, coal miners die from black lung and mining accidents those involved in the mining, enrichment, and transportation of uranium and nuclear waste are exposed to deadly radiation which leads to death. I'm sorry but I can't see where any of the impacts of wind farms justify the use of old energy technology.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
It is one of our country's most valuable natural resources and the technology of harnessing that energy is still relatively new in relation to the scale it is being used on today. But the fact remains, global warming and climate change aside, current mainstream energy production methods are dirty and their pollutants are ruining are environment as well as are health, they are causing cancer, asthma, neurological and developmental damage among other things.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
Ignorance is seldom bliss. I know I would rather have those side effects rather than an annoying shadow or the sound of a turbine. I'm sorry if I come off as condescending but please people wind energy is green energy. It produces no pollution past the stage of production and it is to America what oil is to Saudi Arabia.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
Radiation emissions into the air, nuclear waste storage, the threat of possible reactor or facility failure killing tens of thousands of people or the air pollutants of coal not to mention the mercury and sulfur pollution slowly killing their entire community all these consequences are subtle.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
I would like to see there reactions if a nuclear or coal fired power plant was constructed in there area. Most likely they would be content because the true inconveniences of those types of facilities would not be so obvious.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
I am sorry to say but it is uneducated backwoods citizens like those portrayed in this video that are the problem with the United States. People afraid of change and unwilling to make a sacrifice for a greater good.
CleanGreenEnergy 4 years ago
WTF - uneducated backwoods citizens? I guess everyone cant be as educated and smart as you. These uneducated backwoods citizens are the people who put FOOD on your table. Call your local Wind Developer and ask them if they can put a 400 ft turbine in your backyard so they can make millions and you cant even use the electric. See how much you like it. It is stupid tree huggers like you that this country is in the shape it is in NOW. Not the uneducated backwoods citizens
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
I am sorry that your town was abused. I'm sure the noise is a complete nuisance. I work for my dad; we make wind turbines....silent small scale turbines that are unobtrusive to the earth and the surrounding environment.This makes me feel sick. We did it to prove that there is such a thing as clean energy and everyone is entitled to have it. I hope you do not completely shy away from wind energy; there are many people in the industry who really care. My thoughts are with your whole community.
mdoll1972 5 years ago
you can atone for your sins by helping to stop commercial wind development in residential areas.
WindIsNotGreen 4 years ago
BOVINA TOWN BOARD ENDORSES WIND TURBINE BAN -- Feb 28, 2007 = In a short, dramatic meeting on February 28th, the Bovina Town Board took an important first step towards banning industrial and residential wind turbines. The four board members (Tina Mole', Randy Inman, Chuck McIntosh and Ken Brown) all agreed to submit the town's draft wind ordinance to the Delaware County Planning Board for review.
WindIsNotGreen 5 years ago
All the false and misleading claims the wind industry makes for itself work to disguise the fact that it is only a nominal producer of electricity in the eastern US. Its primary purpose is to provide extraordinary tax and income sheltering opportunities for a few wealthy investors at the expense of average taxpayers and rate payers. On a per kilowatt hour basis, wind is the most heavily subsidized source of industrialized power in the nation.
UniteAgainstWind 5 years ago
Yes, per kilowatt hour, wind is the highest subsidized power because of it's small scale. Let's look at the actual numbers. About $12,500,000,000 goes to coal, oil, gas and nuclear power, and about $5,000,000 goes to wind, water and solar. This does not take into account the subsidies oil and coal get on their own before it gets to the power plant.
agreenieguy 5 years ago
BOVINA TOWN BOARD ENDORSES WIND TURBINE BAN -- Feb 28, 2007 = In a short, dramatic meeting on February 28th, the Bovina Town Board took an important first step towards banning industrial and residential wind turbines. The four board members (Tina Mole', Randy Inman, Chuck McIntosh and Ken Brown) all agreed to submit the town's draft wind ordinance to the Delaware County Planning Board for review.
WindIsNotGreen 5 years ago