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Love the way liberals smoke screen any issue, like attempting to assemble some committee to "assist" the clueless on how to prove who they are. The only sad thing is that they do manage to fill those buses on the way to the polls unless they make a stop at the DMV if needed
I give a damn about voter fraud.. Im sick of democrats claiming its voter suppresion to have someone prove who the f#^&k they are before they pull that lever for my president.Im tired of the ridiculous argument liberals make about some weak democrats able to make it to the polls to vote but somehow are to sick or weak to go to the nearest DMV and pick up a simple ID card available to anyone without a drivers license.they bus people in droves to the polls . Why not bus them to the DMV first.?
@willofphilg You’re a fucking idiot, you’re concerned about voter fraud but yet you agree with the RNC chair to dismantle the Elections assistance committee. You’re a fucking idiot. The Elections assistance committee is there to prevent fraud, fucking dumb ass
@justice79170 The elections assistance committee? hahahahahahhhhahhaahhhhahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahhahahahahh Whats that? another way for useless democrats to waste our money? We dont need any "elections ASSistance program" .Just prove who you are and vote. Any normal American can understand that.
@ozgood1x We declared war on democrats not on the democratic process. 1 legitimate citizen 1 legitimate vote.. Only a democrat would have a problem with that..
@ozgood1x Democrats who game our electoral process and bribe the clueless while bussing them to polls to pull the lever for other democrats bugs me. Not what they like to call themselves.
There is no hope whatsoever for a world that derives you of your right to vote if you do not own a drivers license. If everybody is at a minimum expected to drive cars, the level of social and ecological pollution would be incalculable.
The fraud is unconditionally preventing anyone at all from voting! Please acknowledge he fact that all people has a basic interest in sharing the day with equals, no one should be excluded from the common responsibility of coexisting. Poor illogical world.
@Pipediplomacy Note to the clueless-.You dont need a drivers license to obtain an acceptable ID offerd at any local DMV. There in comes the responsability part. illogical is not understanding this.
Notice how he interview in question is from MSNBC. MSNBC has got to understand that airing Republicans serves no purpose because all Republicans do is lie and repeat talking points. What educational value does it serve?
Get pulled over in Ft. Worth, Texas with no valid ID of any kind, and without doubt, your ass is going to for sure spend the night in jail, "FAILURE TO ID". Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
But, if ya' can make it to the polls without gettin' stopped by the Fort Worth PD/Tarrant County Sheriff's Dept/Highway Patrol, you can vote 10 times if ya' want, because nobody's checking Voter ID's.
It's the most ridiculous Goddamn double-standard I ever heard of.
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Just a continuation of the Republican votor fraud started in 2000. That was when 10,000 to 20,000 votors were denied their right to vote in Florida because their name was "somewhat similar" to convicted felons, so instead of a few hundred felons accurately being removed from the rolls, thousands of eligible voters were purged from the rolls as well. BUT... I agree with them on one point. Shouldn't everyone have ID? Maybe it should be made easier or cheaper to get, to solve that problem.
@starcatcher2222 - And you're defecating out of you mouth. Just a series of targeted clerical errors removing not-Repub. voters from the rolls? Unless you think a few Church pastors, among others were trying to game the system, knowing the had to produce ID. And since it was "officials" committing the act, it was not actually "fraud"? Not to mention a Republican AG who decided to just end the recount before it was done. But Reince Priebus won't ever try and put a stop to any of that!
@starcatcher2222 - Shows the difference between Dems and Republicans. Dems make wrong decisions, but they do it for the good of majority; and NOT play politics so much, or so well. Reps don't give damn about the majority, and live for political games. Repubs constantly put "spin" on everything, turning it into overblown outrage, like the Occupy movement being full of Rapists, or the existence mass voter fraud, or people going to Hawaii on food stamps, and sell it as reality. And Dems. cheat?
@starcatcher2222 - That is the problem with too many Republicans. They act like spoiled little rich kids, that do no nothing but lie, cheat, cry wolf and make up stories to get what they want and think of no one but themselves, and who can benefit them, even when they represent an entire district full of people. But you have to give them credit. They do so very intelligently, well dressed, well spoken; makes one actually take what they say seriously. Political SPIN is their art form.
c'mon cenk, u know as well as i do that id's are free in wisconsin. all u have to do is take your lazy ass to the dmv and ask for one. your voter fraud numbers were WAAAAAAAAYYY off btw. cenk, c'mon man u can do better. a little less spin next time ey? :)
Umm, you're somewhat wrong "elfyboy". Yes, many Republicans are very stupid that way, but there are many times they knowingly lie and only ACT fucking ignorant.
Cenk still doesn't get it: Republicans consider whatever they believe to be the truth, irregardless of any inconvenient facts to the contrary. You can never educate such people. For true believer reactionaries, the truth is a matter of faith not facts.
Mitch McConnell did a big speech at the Heritage Foundation in reference to the movement to eliminate the Electoral College system in favor of the popular vote and how it would have catastrophic results......so my conclusion is, eliminating the electoral college must be the right thing to do.
@alphacause You are a complete idiot, one person one vote, anything else is voter fraud 4600 to 5300 votes were cast than voters who could be accounted for, ID is needed to buy cigarrettes but not to vote? Isn't that a bit fucked up?
@starcatcher2222 You do realize that there is not one shred of evidence of these figures right> How about three day indelible ink for rick and poor alike, or is this not good enough either? You guys are just lying sacks of shit--and so good at it that you have convinced your selves that what the Koch brothers have told you to think is true--disgusting!
@hatemorethanyou999 Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, So maybe if there were an ID requirement there wouldn't be so much doubt, Democratic voter fraud is an old old story going back at least to the election of 1960, No wonder that the Quasi journalist shill of that party denies it. I'm not even in America and noone outside the country can even believe that an ID is not required to vote it's insanity. An ID costs less than $20 dollars in every state, Skip a rock and get one
@starcatcher2222 Who has doubt? Why would I have doubt when there is NOT ONE SHRED of evidence that you can point to that there is a problem--that indeed you are pulling this directly out of your own ass hole. There are 177,000 people in Wisconsin who were born at home and DO NOT Qualify for fascist Scott Walker's ID. Like I said, use indelible ink on rich and poor alike--it was good enough for Iraq why not here--answer this troll if you can!
@hatemorethanyou999 Ink is a marvelous idea to discourage double voting, There are numerous 'Shreds of Evidence' that there is a problem and have been problems in many districts throughout the country for over 50 years. "Do not qualify for an ID why? If you are a breathing citizen you qualify if you don't qualify for an ID you're not qualified to vote. Ignore the evidence, 18 month investigations aren't conducted for the health of the investigators.
@starcatcher2222 People who were born at home, and there are 177,000 people in Wisconsin who were born at home, do not have birth certificates, and hence will NOT be able to obtain IDs in Wisconsin. You have still not produced a shred of evidence that there is large scale fraud in voting, and the reason you can't is that IT IS NOT True--you are a liar and a Koch puppet.
@hatemorethanyou999 The numbers speak for themselves 5000 mystery votes is 5000 shreds of evidence. Not being able to prove criinal intent and only being able to nab a few actual culprits does not mean 'not one shred of evidence" As far as a person not being able to obtain a birth certificate because they were born at home that is pure BullShit lay off the crack dude. Noone without a Birth Certificate is a registered citizen and has no right vote anyhow. How old are you 12?
@starcatcher2222 "The numbers speak for themselves 5000 mystery votes is 5000 shreds of evidence." A mystery vote is not evidence of anything. As far as you know all these votes are absolutely legitimate--in other words NOT EVIDENCE except in your fevered fantasies. People who were born at home (mostly the elderly now) DO NOT have Birth certificates-- there are actual cases. More than 3 million people were unable to vote in 2008 because of various registration problems. (PEW study) Are you 5?
@hatemorethanyou999 As far as you know those 5000 votes were duplicates, evidence indicates many were. My father was born at home and had a Birth Certificate idiot.An unregistered birth is not a citizen and has no voting rights, "Various registration problems" Lack of proper planning on their part constitutes no emergency on my part. You're just a shill for those who would stuff ballot boxws provided a chance without an original thought in that little brain of yours.
@starcatcher2222 You have yet to provide ANY evidence that there is voter fraud on a meaningful scale. The FACT that there was only a handful of actual fraud in extensive investigations nationwide speaks volumes. Why not use indelible ink on rich and poor alike that lasts 3 to 5 days and can't be removed--we have the technology. But then this would not accomplish what you people really want: disenfranchising as many poor as possible. And you are an obvious Koch puppet.
@bumbro07 Not a biggie, but it's a turn of phrase. As in, "you've got a friend in me." It doesn't mean there's a midget inside who's friends with the person you're talking to. It means you're a good friend. That's the turn of phrase he used in this case. "I come from a state in Wisconsin" = "I come from a state, namely Wisconsin."
@miguelin97223 Thanks. I didn't know that. Being from Texas, I don't see much sense in it. But, I guess we all have our own silly turns of phrase. Like: "What can I do you for?"
@nibblerseven Cenk is full of shit and he's either a complete shill or a horrible journalist, in the 2004 election there were 4600 to 5300 more votes cast than voters who could be accounted for.
@starcatcher2222 Here, I'm not actually trying to insult you or anything, but do you have a report or something on that? I'm wondering if you're just trusting what the guy in the video is saying or if you have absolute proof. If you go into the description of the video there is an article there about this or you can just look at truthaboutfraud(dot)org/case_studies_by_state/wisconsin_2004.html#more
If you have a conflicting report, then I would definitely like to see it.
@nibblerseven: The dude is most likely talking about the Sandvick report. I HAVE the Sandvick 67 page report if you want to read it. If you want to read it, just message me.
It is funny how they give the 4600-5300 figure, which was given by the Elections Commission, but they criticize the errors of the election commission. The report should not be taken seriously at all, and the last paragraph at page 62 shows that.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 You're not much on reading comprehension are you? The last paragraph of page 62 "After 18 months of investigation the task force believes that there was fraud committed in the 2004 election , but as one investigator stated 'I know I voted in the election, but I can't be certain it counted' " Cenk knows Obama will loose to any old imbecile unless someone stuffs ballot boxes that's why he's so shrill about the ID requirement.
@starcatcher2222: You are not much on critical thinking are you? The last paragraph displays that their claim of voter fraud is just a hunch. The report does not rest on proven voter fraud, but on mistakes made by the Elections Commission, and election Inspectors.
I think Obama will win against any GOP candidate except maybe for Ron Paul.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 after an 18 month investigation it is much more than a hunch, you know as well as I do that to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and obtain convictions in such cases is nearly impossible.
@RealityGrapple Good bye and you also should remember that your group think and conventional wisdom is very usefull to those who want to keep you in their box.
@MegaRammstein7 If Republicans hadn't already proved that most of them are giant hypocrites and often project their own problems onto the left, I wouldn't have said that.
@RealityGrapple I knew you weren't that inquisitive. I would think that as a Liberal, Progressive, Socialist or Marxist and being one of the smartest beings in the universe, the complete idea of Conservatism would be easy for you to remember.
@EternalRecursion " What do you believe? " Read my posts of the last three hours. I don't believe in 99.9% of group think and the conventional wisdom must always be challenged. Always !
@RealityGrapple ''Bin Laden was on the American Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) lists of Ten Most Wanted Fugitives and Most Wanted Terrorists for his involvement in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings.''
Thats all I could find. You are probably right on this.
I still knew the guy since circa1994. I also saw documentaries about him well before 911. In part for his terrorism financing and his participation to the war with the soviets. He was pissed since the first gulf war.
@RealityGrapple You can always tell when the debate is over, that's when the Liberal, Progressive or Marxist turns into the grammer and spelling police. They never disappoint.
@MrSpencerport Please define "Liberal". Also, in your opinion, are the following words Conservative, Liberal, Progressive, Communist or Libertarian: "We, the People of the United States, in order to create a more perfect Union ..."?
@EternalRecursion It's Conservative vs. Liberal, Progressive, Socialist and Marxist. Liberalism is a gate way philosophy. Liberals can always understand Marxism but they can never understand Conservatism.
@MrSpencerport I don't need to search the word, I looked it up years ago in the Merriam Webster Unabridged International Dictionary of the English Language. That is how I know I am BOTH a Conservative AND a Liberal, because MOST people don't know what the H they are talking about.
@MrSpencerport I never claimed to be "a expert". But you have steadfastly avoided defining ANY of the political labels you so casually toss about, and post as if your own vague sense of political identity, which you have self-labelled Conservative, means anything to anyone else. Truth be told, I find the ubiquitous use of these labels as substitutes for genuine dialogue to be symptomatic of our national dysfunction in the arena of political discourse.
@EternalRecursion Of course you do, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists and Marxist always have trouble identifying themselves as such. They like to refer to themselves as " middle of the road " but I refer to them as cowards.
@MrSpencerport Well, see, "coward" I can define easily, a coward is someone who refuses to do the right thing because of fear. Not at all clear on how you associate those you see as having different political views than your own as "cowards", but you do seem to prefer facile ad hominem proclamations to genuine dialogue.
@EternalRecursion OK, well hopefully the candidates in 2012 will say if their Conservative, Liberal, Progressive, Socialist or Marxist. Maybe then the Democrats will receive the 23% of the vote that they richly deserve.
@MrSpencerport Let me be unambiguously clear: As a Liberal, I believe in Liberty. I believe in the tenets of the preamble to the Constitution and I will fight to defend the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. I believe in progress through gradual social evolution to expand the liberties of individuals within the social contract. As a Conservative I believe in preserving established social structures that serve the growth of society and the empowerment of its citizens.
@MrSpencerport So, if I am to interpret your conclusion based on this "dialogue", you know I am a "Progressive Socialist" because I have insisted on having a political stance that is not simplistic and reactionary? That's amusing. And yes, I will be campaigning for Obama, because the Republicans passed tax legislation in 2001 that wiped out the budget surpluses but for six years they NEVER trimmed the budget, creating $7 trillion in debt and passing on massive deficit ...
@MrSpencerport "and who was the Speaker of the House when the budget was being balenced and led to surpluses ?" Ha ha ha ha ha! Oh, you're referring to when the Democrats passed the legislation that restored fiscal solvency over the ensuing six years, the legislation that brought Newt Boy and his Contract With America to the media proclaiming, "All the Democrats do is raise taxes!" Yeah, Clinton kept that punk in check with the veto. Goods times for all.
@MrSpencerport ... budgets to the Democrats. You don't think the National Debt and the financial crisis are from the housing derivatives fiasco, surely? Are you one of those who believe the Democrats are responsible because they haven't yet gotten the patient out of critical care? Do you not care that it was the Republicans who shot the patient? I have seen house burned down with the help of accelerants and I can tell you it takes a MUCH longer time to extinguish the embers ...
@EternalRecursion The people want jobs but private sector jobs gets in the way of total dependance the Government. Democrats = Dependence on Government. Maybe you should fire off a e - mail this afternoon demanding that Sen. Harry Reid produce a budget that's mandated by law.
@MrSpencerport "Maybe you should fire off a e - mail this afternoon demanding that Sen. Harry Reid produce a budget that's mandated by law." You ever seen a jack-knifed tractor trailer rig? You know how that happens? It's caused by braking too hard. You are aware, right, that the budget deficits are oh so gradually shrinking? That the automatic budget cuts will reduce the deficits and re-introduce revenue legislation that will restore balanced budgets? Just asking.
Fair elections don't benefit evil assholes. Cenk, stop. Reblicans don't care about facts. Never have. Never will. What do people who think they're right about everything need with facts.
@fatouche99 " What do people who think they're right about everything need with facts. " Conservatives can't be right about everything because Liberals and Progressives are the smartest people in the universe. That's why there is no God.
@fatouche99 Replace Republicans with Democrats and your post is equally correct.
Truthfully, Cenk is one of the biggest offenders of factless conjecture. He constantly cherry picks and claims that correlation = causation, but only if it supports his a priori notions.
An "Ork" is a mythical figure, who worship above all things a solid Gold material Ring. They are war-like (bellicose--I think I said this before) and generally greedy. They follow the mysterious orders of a ruling elite of superior beings for no real good reason.
@hatemorethanyou999 Orks seem like Democrats, Liberals and Progressives grasping at the ideal of a perfect Government, those who follow whatever NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, the Daily Kos, Think Progress, Move on.org, the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the St. Pete Times and Current TV says.
@MrSpencerport I'm sorry, but who has been starting wars lately. Reagan, Bush 1, bush2 and Obama--that's three Republicans to one Democrat by my math. And if, by chance, you are talking about bygone eras, what is the relevance?
@hatemorethanyou999 When you ignore Al Queda from Jan 1993 - Jan 2001, bad things happen and when you legislate selling homes to people who really can't afford them, bad things happen, My point about your Orc's was right on the money but you seem to be to far gone to read it with objectivity. More's the pity.
@hatemorethanyou999 As mad as the Clinton - Gore administation was at the outcome of the 2001 election, do you really think they passed on their best intelligence ? Maybe you do but I don't.
@MrSpencerport I submit to you that you are a computer program designed to refute "liberals" if they sat anything. Say 1000110101001010 if yes, and 101110110111 if wrong.
@hatemorethanyou999 I have a counter arguement, that's what debate is all about. I give you my best arguement and you give me yours and maybe we'll learn something. That seems fair .
Felons attempting to vote when the state stripped their constitutional right to vote away is not voter fraud. Voter fraud is when a person or people attempt to vote more than once or they attempt to vote with another registered voter's name. Therefore there were NO cases of voter fraud.
@hatemorethanyou999 " I say let everyone vote. " OK, but many times can they vote ? Do you have a limit on how many times votes a person can cast a vote in a election ? Should Liberal and Progressive people have 5 votes and Conservative people have 1 ?
If you are against voters showing ID before entering the polling booth, for whatever reason, then you support unqualified voters casting ballots, and you also support dishonesty in elections by letting people cast multiple votes.
@MachOverspeedsPlace Except nobody IS voting fraudulently. Most of the electoral fraud is committed by those running the elections, not the voters, they are purging rolls of eligible voters, they are rigging voting machines, they are using their own personal computers to store the votes (very suspicious in itself) they are designing deliberately confusing ballot papers, and thats just off the top of my head.
@dangerouslytalented How do we know that nobody is voting fraudulently, when nobody is checking ID's? Which means, that there is no data to base your assertion on.
Surely, you wouldn't attempt to prove a negative by an absence of relevent data, would you?
That the possibility exists, and given the evil nature of all politicians/some partisans, logic dictates that measures must be taken to prevent ballot nullification by illegal voting.
@MachOverspeedsPlace Nobody is CHECKING? are you SERIOUS? They are checking WHEREVER THEY SUSPECT ANY KIND OF FRAUD, because they want excuses to disenfranchise anybody who they suspect will vote for the other party. So they have LARGE NUMBERS OF SCRUTINEERS.
@dangerouslytalented Yes, I'm serious. No, they're not. Because, if they were, fucking Libs would be howling at the moon behind voter ID's being checked, which is why they're pitching a bitch here, because some people want to, and we ain't even doing it yet
Like I said in a diff thread. Get pulled over in Ft. Worth with no ID and you're going to jail for FAILURE TO ID. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. But if ya' make it to the polls, vote 10 times if ya' want, because nobody's checking ID.
@MachOverspeedsPlace If there were ANY evidence that there was enough voter fraud (the actual voters voting when they should not have been) in races where such people could have swayed the election, then the far right would have been trumpeting them from the rooftops. Hell, Bush FIRED a bunch of attourneys because they COULD NOT FIND the evidence that he wanted that there was such fraud taking place.Whereas evidence of illegal voter purges abounds.
@dangerouslytalented Dude, once again, there is no evidence, because nobody is checking Voter ID's. You cannot prove a negative with zero data collected. The ONLY WAY to get actual numbers, is to check Voter ID's.
That the possibility exists demands action be taken to prevent it. Eligible voters have the Right to not be disenfranchised by so much as one illegal vote being cast. Period.
If getting proper ID's to people is the problem, then lets get them all ID'd. OK?
@hatemorethanyou999 How can there be any evidence, dumbass, when nobody is checking ID's? You would attempt to prove a negative by virtue of having no data, which is impossible.
Please refrain from any occupation that requires logical thinking.
@DeLilleD No, we don't. But, if your ass is in Ft. Worth, TX, and you get pulled over for ANY reason whatsoever, and you and/or your passengers can't produce a valid Texas Drivers License, or a valid license issued by another State, or a current Passport (any country), or a valid "Green Card", you are going to spend the night in jail for "Failure to ID".
End of story, except...
If you make it to the polls, you can vote as often as you like, because they don't check ID.
Can you not use your passport as photo ID? Surely the vast majority of people in America have one of those? If that's not the case it just goes to show what a mess your society is.
Most Americans are unable to ever afford travel overseas and many who are able are uninterested in doing so. Poll taxes are unconstitutional and illegal, so you cannot force someone to fork over money for a passport in order to vote.
@floppykid Most Americans don't travel outside the US at all. Hell, most don't even travel outside the state they were born in.
The most efficient way would be to issue a free proof of age ID for all those who are eligible, (which will also prove they can drink and buy tobacco).
@floppykid Most folks in Amerika have never even seen a Passport. I know this from my experience as a charter pilot. Yes, the Passport is valid ID in all 50 States. Even foreign issued ones.
Funny one. I got pulled over by a rural cop once. My DL was packed way deep in my flight bag somewhere, so I whipped out the Passport from my pocket and gave it to him.
The cop looks at it a minute and says, "What's this, and why is it printed in French? Out of the car, NOW ! "
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FoxNewsCanBlowMe 2 weeks ago
We aren't worried about the people voting.
We're worried about the people counting the votes.
bettydavis0004 3 weeks ago
Love the way liberals smoke screen any issue, like attempting to assemble some committee to "assist" the clueless on how to prove who they are. The only sad thing is that they do manage to fill those buses on the way to the polls unless they make a stop at the DMV if needed
willofphilg 3 weeks ago
I give a damn about voter fraud.. Im sick of democrats claiming its voter suppresion to have someone prove who the f#^&k they are before they pull that lever for my president.Im tired of the ridiculous argument liberals make about some weak democrats able to make it to the polls to vote but somehow are to sick or weak to go to the nearest DMV and pick up a simple ID card available to anyone without a drivers license.they bus people in droves to the polls . Why not bus them to the DMV first.?
willofphilg 1 month ago
@willofphilg You’re a fucking idiot, you’re concerned about voter fraud but yet you agree with the RNC chair to dismantle the Elections assistance committee. You’re a fucking idiot. The Elections assistance committee is there to prevent fraud, fucking dumb ass
justice79170 4 weeks ago
@justice79170 The elections assistance committee? hahahahahahhhhahhaahhhhahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahhahahahahh Whats that? another way for useless democrats to waste our money? We dont need any "elections ASSistance program" .Just prove who you are and vote. Any normal American can understand that.
willofphilg 3 weeks ago
@willofphilg With no over sight then people could vote more than once dumb ass.
justice79170 3 weeks ago
Preibus is the dumbest person in America.
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ozgood1x 2 months ago
@ozgood1x We declared war on democrats not on the democratic process. 1 legitimate citizen 1 legitimate vote.. Only a democrat would have a problem with that..
willofphilg 3 weeks ago
@willofphilg Yes...And doesn't it bug ya when reporters refer to it as the "Democratic Party" ?
ozgood1x 3 weeks ago
@ozgood1x Democrats who game our electoral process and bribe the clueless while bussing them to polls to pull the lever for other democrats bugs me. Not what they like to call themselves.
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Stalin is credited with having said, "It's not who votes that matters, it is who counts the votes that determines the outcome."
Let that sink in for a moment, and then consider:
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getplaning 2 months ago
A stolen election is a election won in a legally bankrupt country.
Zooni2 2 months ago
I agree but it's . zero zero zero 2 %. Hate that.
hicks727 2 months ago
So typical of Republicans, they can't win fairly, so what do they do? Limit voter rights.
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@Stingerbillion explain how. when voting is'nt a right but a privilige and a responsability.
willofphilg 3 weeks ago
There is no hope whatsoever for a world that derives you of your right to vote if you do not own a drivers license. If everybody is at a minimum expected to drive cars, the level of social and ecological pollution would be incalculable.
The fraud is unconditionally preventing anyone at all from voting! Please acknowledge he fact that all people has a basic interest in sharing the day with equals, no one should be excluded from the common responsibility of coexisting. Poor illogical world.
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@Pipediplomacy Note to the clueless-.You dont need a drivers license to obtain an acceptable ID offerd at any local DMV. There in comes the responsability part. illogical is not understanding this.
willofphilg 3 weeks ago
Republicans get the fuck out of wisconsin, stop fucking up my state and go to your golf courses and die .
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Stevie68000 2 months ago
Notice how he interview in question is from MSNBC. MSNBC has got to understand that airing Republicans serves no purpose because all Republicans do is lie and repeat talking points. What educational value does it serve?
InfidelAvenger 2 months ago
Probably the reason they want this voter fraud bill, is that they know they will lose votes and support coming next election. PERIOD!!!
lapiz4azulli 2 months ago
25% of african americans don't have IDs? That's just pathetic. No excusing that. Don't buy the latest pop album that month and get a damn ID.
sfrichy 2 months ago
Like I said in a diff thread...
Get pulled over in Ft. Worth, Texas with no valid ID of any kind, and without doubt, your ass is going to for sure spend the night in jail, "FAILURE TO ID". Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
But, if ya' can make it to the polls without gettin' stopped by the Fort Worth PD/Tarrant County Sheriff's Dept/Highway Patrol, you can vote 10 times if ya' want, because nobody's checking Voter ID's.
It's the most ridiculous Goddamn double-standard I ever heard of.
MachOverspeedsPlace 2 months ago
The state in Wisconsin he was referring to was his mental state.
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blackgold161 2 months ago
Just a continuation of the Republican votor fraud started in 2000. That was when 10,000 to 20,000 votors were denied their right to vote in Florida because their name was "somewhat similar" to convicted felons, so instead of a few hundred felons accurately being removed from the rolls, thousands of eligible voters were purged from the rolls as well. BUT... I agree with them on one point. Shouldn't everyone have ID? Maybe it should be made easier or cheaper to get, to solve that problem.
CSILogic 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@CSILogic Actually there was no GOP voter fraud in Florida in 2000 your talking out your ass
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@starcatcher2222 - And you're defecating out of you mouth. Just a series of targeted clerical errors removing not-Repub. voters from the rolls? Unless you think a few Church pastors, among others were trying to game the system, knowing the had to produce ID. And since it was "officials" committing the act, it was not actually "fraud"? Not to mention a Republican AG who decided to just end the recount before it was done. But Reince Priebus won't ever try and put a stop to any of that!
CSILogic 2 months ago
@CSILogic There's no point in arguing with a liar who defends a cheating Dem. party.
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@starcatcher2222 - Shows the difference between Dems and Republicans. Dems make wrong decisions, but they do it for the good of majority; and NOT play politics so much, or so well. Reps don't give damn about the majority, and live for political games. Repubs constantly put "spin" on everything, turning it into overblown outrage, like the Occupy movement being full of Rapists, or the existence mass voter fraud, or people going to Hawaii on food stamps, and sell it as reality. And Dems. cheat?
CSILogic 2 months ago
@starcatcher2222 - That is the problem with too many Republicans. They act like spoiled little rich kids, that do no nothing but lie, cheat, cry wolf and make up stories to get what they want and think of no one but themselves, and who can benefit them, even when they represent an entire district full of people. But you have to give them credit. They do so very intelligently, well dressed, well spoken; makes one actually take what they say seriously. Political SPIN is their art form.
CSILogic 2 months ago
c'mon cenk, u know as well as i do that id's are free in wisconsin. all u have to do is take your lazy ass to the dmv and ask for one. your voter fraud numbers were WAAAAAAAAYYY off btw. cenk, c'mon man u can do better. a little less spin next time ey? :)
Keenanville09 2 months ago
@Keenanville09 evidence that dispute the voter fraud numbers plz.
havocman100 2 months ago
Riddled with voter fraud, & with felons that had their rights taken away trying to vote is not even voter fraud.
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Stevie68000 2 months ago
Voter ID laws aren't about fraud; they're a poll tax in disguise.
BigDamnHeroesSir 2 months ago 8
@BigDamnHeroesSir "Poll tax in disguise" no they're not and voter ID laws are completely reasonable.
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@BigDamnHeroesSir How is requiring an ID a poll tax?
Are stores that require ID to use a check or credit card to make a purchase involved in a "purchase tax in disguise".
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Stevie68000 2 months ago
Pretty typical GOP lunacy.
Jarmo187 2 months ago
Umm, you're somewhat wrong "elfyboy". Yes, many Republicans are very stupid that way, but there are many times they knowingly lie and only ACT fucking ignorant.
ridewave444 2 months ago
Cenk still doesn't get it: Republicans consider whatever they believe to be the truth, irregardless of any inconvenient facts to the contrary. You can never educate such people. For true believer reactionaries, the truth is a matter of faith not facts.
elfyboy 2 months ago
"A state in Wisconsin"???
Pssshhht.
Moron.
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Mitch McConnell did a big speech at the Heritage Foundation in reference to the movement to eliminate the Electoral College system in favor of the popular vote and how it would have catastrophic results......so my conclusion is, eliminating the electoral college must be the right thing to do.
Vernonu9 2 months ago
Im sick he comes from my state. I'm working on recalling his a-hole buddy though.
MrOnwisconsin2011 2 months ago
Republican definition of voter fraud:
Too many minorities voting.
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@alphacause You are a complete idiot, one person one vote, anything else is voter fraud 4600 to 5300 votes were cast than voters who could be accounted for, ID is needed to buy cigarrettes but not to vote? Isn't that a bit fucked up?
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@starcatcher2222 You do realize that there is not one shred of evidence of these figures right> How about three day indelible ink for rick and poor alike, or is this not good enough either? You guys are just lying sacks of shit--and so good at it that you have convinced your selves that what the Koch brothers have told you to think is true--disgusting!
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
@hatemorethanyou999 It is funny how asking them to provide evidence of their points makes the Koch puppets go away--good job sir! Bravo.
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
@hatemorethanyou999 Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, So maybe if there were an ID requirement there wouldn't be so much doubt, Democratic voter fraud is an old old story going back at least to the election of 1960, No wonder that the Quasi journalist shill of that party denies it. I'm not even in America and noone outside the country can even believe that an ID is not required to vote it's insanity. An ID costs less than $20 dollars in every state, Skip a rock and get one
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@starcatcher2222 Who has doubt? Why would I have doubt when there is NOT ONE SHRED of evidence that you can point to that there is a problem--that indeed you are pulling this directly out of your own ass hole. There are 177,000 people in Wisconsin who were born at home and DO NOT Qualify for fascist Scott Walker's ID. Like I said, use indelible ink on rich and poor alike--it was good enough for Iraq why not here--answer this troll if you can!
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
@hatemorethanyou999 Ink is a marvelous idea to discourage double voting, There are numerous 'Shreds of Evidence' that there is a problem and have been problems in many districts throughout the country for over 50 years. "Do not qualify for an ID why? If you are a breathing citizen you qualify if you don't qualify for an ID you're not qualified to vote. Ignore the evidence, 18 month investigations aren't conducted for the health of the investigators.
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@starcatcher2222 People who were born at home, and there are 177,000 people in Wisconsin who were born at home, do not have birth certificates, and hence will NOT be able to obtain IDs in Wisconsin. You have still not produced a shred of evidence that there is large scale fraud in voting, and the reason you can't is that IT IS NOT True--you are a liar and a Koch puppet.
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
@hatemorethanyou999 The numbers speak for themselves 5000 mystery votes is 5000 shreds of evidence. Not being able to prove criinal intent and only being able to nab a few actual culprits does not mean 'not one shred of evidence" As far as a person not being able to obtain a birth certificate because they were born at home that is pure BullShit lay off the crack dude. Noone without a Birth Certificate is a registered citizen and has no right vote anyhow. How old are you 12?
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@starcatcher2222 "The numbers speak for themselves 5000 mystery votes is 5000 shreds of evidence." A mystery vote is not evidence of anything. As far as you know all these votes are absolutely legitimate--in other words NOT EVIDENCE except in your fevered fantasies. People who were born at home (mostly the elderly now) DO NOT have Birth certificates-- there are actual cases. More than 3 million people were unable to vote in 2008 because of various registration problems. (PEW study) Are you 5?
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
@hatemorethanyou999 As far as you know those 5000 votes were duplicates, evidence indicates many were. My father was born at home and had a Birth Certificate idiot.An unregistered birth is not a citizen and has no voting rights, "Various registration problems" Lack of proper planning on their part constitutes no emergency on my part. You're just a shill for those who would stuff ballot boxws provided a chance without an original thought in that little brain of yours.
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@starcatcher2222 You have yet to provide ANY evidence that there is voter fraud on a meaningful scale. The FACT that there was only a handful of actual fraud in extensive investigations nationwide speaks volumes. Why not use indelible ink on rich and poor alike that lasts 3 to 5 days and can't be removed--we have the technology. But then this would not accomplish what you people really want: disenfranchising as many poor as possible. And you are an obvious Koch puppet.
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
He comes from a state in Wisconsin? What is Wisconsin doing that we don't know about?
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newdimensionfilms 2 months ago
Which state in Wisconsin is he from?
I wasn't aware Wisconsin had states.
bumbro07 2 months ago 28
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The state of idiocy
PolytheisticDeities 2 months ago
@bumbro07 Not a biggie, but it's a turn of phrase. As in, "you've got a friend in me." It doesn't mean there's a midget inside who's friends with the person you're talking to. It means you're a good friend. That's the turn of phrase he used in this case. "I come from a state in Wisconsin" = "I come from a state, namely Wisconsin."
miguelin97223 2 months ago
@miguelin97223 Thanks. I didn't know that. Being from Texas, I don't see much sense in it. But, I guess we all have our own silly turns of phrase. Like: "What can I do you for?"
bumbro07 2 months ago
@bumbro07 yes, exactly. idioms are funny
miguelin97223 2 months ago
Cenk really is pushing this issue, considering the Democratic party has been voting for the recently dead for many years it's not surprising.
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@starcatcher2222 What are you talking about? I dont understand your point at all.
nibblerseven 2 months ago
@nibblerseven Cenk is full of shit and he's either a complete shill or a horrible journalist, in the 2004 election there were 4600 to 5300 more votes cast than voters who could be accounted for.
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@starcatcher2222 Here, I'm not actually trying to insult you or anything, but do you have a report or something on that? I'm wondering if you're just trusting what the guy in the video is saying or if you have absolute proof. If you go into the description of the video there is an article there about this or you can just look at truthaboutfraud(dot)org/case_studies_by_state/wisconsin_2004.html#more
If you have a conflicting report, then I would definitely like to see it.
nibblerseven 2 months ago
@nibblerseven: The dude is most likely talking about the Sandvick report. I HAVE the Sandvick 67 page report if you want to read it. If you want to read it, just message me.
It is funny how they give the 4600-5300 figure, which was given by the Elections Commission, but they criticize the errors of the election commission. The report should not be taken seriously at all, and the last paragraph at page 62 shows that.
HispanicIsNotARace1 2 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 You're not much on reading comprehension are you? The last paragraph of page 62 "After 18 months of investigation the task force believes that there was fraud committed in the 2004 election , but as one investigator stated 'I know I voted in the election, but I can't be certain it counted' " Cenk knows Obama will loose to any old imbecile unless someone stuffs ballot boxes that's why he's so shrill about the ID requirement.
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@starcatcher2222: You are not much on critical thinking are you? The last paragraph displays that their claim of voter fraud is just a hunch. The report does not rest on proven voter fraud, but on mistakes made by the Elections Commission, and election Inspectors.
I think Obama will win against any GOP candidate except maybe for Ron Paul.
HispanicIsNotARace1 2 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 after an 18 month investigation it is much more than a hunch, you know as well as I do that to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and obtain convictions in such cases is nearly impossible.
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@nibblerseven In Wisconson just as the man stated 4300 to 5300 mystery votes sounds like IDs should be required to me.
starcatcher2222 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple I looked at your channel. I get it. Peace
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MultiAhka 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple Good bye and you also should remember that your group think and conventional wisdom is very usefull to those who want to keep you in their box.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple You're right, I know nothing about your 99.9% of group think or your convention wisdom. Guilty as charged.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
If Republicans are complaining about voter fraud, then they're likely committing voting fraud themselves or someone is doing it on their behalf.
DejectedDegenerate 2 months ago
@DejectedDegenerate Pretty Freudian fnaar fnaar
MegaRammstein7 2 months ago
@MegaRammstein7 If Republicans hadn't already proved that most of them are giant hypocrites and often project their own problems onto the left, I wouldn't have said that.
DejectedDegenerate 2 months ago
@DejectedDegenerate Kinda what I was getting at. :)
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@DejectedDegenerate "they're likely committing voting fraud themselves or someone is doing it on their behalf." That's really funny!
EternalRecursion 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple That problem is that I know exactly what you are and so do you.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple Enjoy your life in the 99.9% of group think and conventional wisdom. Independent thought be damned.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple I knew you weren't that inquisitive. I would think that as a Liberal, Progressive, Socialist or Marxist and being one of the smartest beings in the universe, the complete idea of Conservatism would be easy for you to remember.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport What do you believe?
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@EternalRecursion " What do you believe? " Read my posts of the last three hours. I don't believe in 99.9% of group think and the conventional wisdom must always be challenged. Always !
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple So are you saying that your fellow TYT viewers are also dumb and lazy when they refer me to google ?
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple Everybody else on TYT says google this and google that. What's the problem.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple You're right @RealityGrapple @ Monolith21000 is not able to relate to intelligent people and you have that same handicap.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple ''Bin Laden was on the American Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) lists of Ten Most Wanted Fugitives and Most Wanted Terrorists for his involvement in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings.''
Thats all I could find. You are probably right on this.
I still knew the guy since circa1994. I also saw documentaries about him well before 911. In part for his terrorism financing and his participation to the war with the soviets. He was pissed since the first gulf war.
DickCheneyXX 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple Now we have @Monoilth21000 and @RealityGrapple in a comforting group hug. How touching !
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
just once i'd like to see a news anchor doing an interview to tell the person interviewed to cut the crap and actually answer the question...
hellshade2 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple Are you a bot? That sounds like the logical, rational, well thought out answer of a machine. It's cool if you are, I'm open minded.
Monolith21000 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple You can always tell when the debate is over, that's when the Liberal, Progressive or Marxist turns into the grammer and spelling police. They never disappoint.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport Please define "Liberal". Also, in your opinion, are the following words Conservative, Liberal, Progressive, Communist or Libertarian: "We, the People of the United States, in order to create a more perfect Union ..."?
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@EternalRecursion It's Conservative vs. Liberal, Progressive, Socialist and Marxist. Liberalism is a gate way philosophy. Liberals can always understand Marxism but they can never understand Conservatism.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport Saying black is the opposite of white doesn't tell us anything if black and white remain undefined. What is "Conservatism"?
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@EternalRecursion Everybody here tells me to google somthing or other. Try googling " Conservatism " but go back about 15 or 20 pages.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport I don't need to search the word, I looked it up years ago in the Merriam Webster Unabridged International Dictionary of the English Language. That is how I know I am BOTH a Conservative AND a Liberal, because MOST people don't know what the H they are talking about.
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@EternalRecursion You looked up the word years ago and that makes you a expert in Conservatism. Really ! Wow LOL
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport I never claimed to be "a expert". But you have steadfastly avoided defining ANY of the political labels you so casually toss about, and post as if your own vague sense of political identity, which you have self-labelled Conservative, means anything to anyone else. Truth be told, I find the ubiquitous use of these labels as substitutes for genuine dialogue to be symptomatic of our national dysfunction in the arena of political discourse.
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@EternalRecursion Of course you do, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists and Marxist always have trouble identifying themselves as such. They like to refer to themselves as " middle of the road " but I refer to them as cowards.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport Well, see, "coward" I can define easily, a coward is someone who refuses to do the right thing because of fear. Not at all clear on how you associate those you see as having different political views than your own as "cowards", but you do seem to prefer facile ad hominem proclamations to genuine dialogue.
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@EternalRecursion OK, well hopefully the candidates in 2012 will say if their Conservative, Liberal, Progressive, Socialist or Marxist. Maybe then the Democrats will receive the 23% of the vote that they richly deserve.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport Let me be unambiguously clear: As a Liberal, I believe in Liberty. I believe in the tenets of the preamble to the Constitution and I will fight to defend the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. I believe in progress through gradual social evolution to expand the liberties of individuals within the social contract. As a Conservative I believe in preserving established social structures that serve the growth of society and the empowerment of its citizens.
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@EternalRecursion but as a Progressive Socialist you will be campaigning for President Obama. I know you better then you do.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport So, if I am to interpret your conclusion based on this "dialogue", you know I am a "Progressive Socialist" because I have insisted on having a political stance that is not simplistic and reactionary? That's amusing. And yes, I will be campaigning for Obama, because the Republicans passed tax legislation in 2001 that wiped out the budget surpluses but for six years they NEVER trimmed the budget, creating $7 trillion in debt and passing on massive deficit ...
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@EternalRecursion and who was the Speaker of the House when the budget was being balenced and led to surpluses ?
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
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@MrSpencerport "and who was the Speaker of the House when the budget was being balenced and led to surpluses ?" Ha ha ha ha ha! Oh, you're referring to when the Democrats passed the legislation that restored fiscal solvency over the ensuing six years, the legislation that brought Newt Boy and his Contract With America to the media proclaiming, "All the Democrats do is raise taxes!" Yeah, Clinton kept that punk in check with the veto. Goods times for all.
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@MrSpencerport ... budgets to the Democrats. You don't think the National Debt and the financial crisis are from the housing derivatives fiasco, surely? Are you one of those who believe the Democrats are responsible because they haven't yet gotten the patient out of critical care? Do you not care that it was the Republicans who shot the patient? I have seen house burned down with the help of accelerants and I can tell you it takes a MUCH longer time to extinguish the embers ...
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@EternalRecursion The people want jobs but private sector jobs gets in the way of total dependance the Government. Democrats = Dependence on Government. Maybe you should fire off a e - mail this afternoon demanding that Sen. Harry Reid produce a budget that's mandated by law.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
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@MrSpencerport "Maybe you should fire off a e - mail this afternoon demanding that Sen. Harry Reid produce a budget that's mandated by law." You ever seen a jack-knifed tractor trailer rig? You know how that happens? It's caused by braking too hard. You are aware, right, that the budget deficits are oh so gradually shrinking? That the automatic budget cuts will reduce the deficits and re-introduce revenue legislation that will restore balanced budgets? Just asking.
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@MrSpencerport ... clear the rubble and begin rebuilding.
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@RealityGrapple That's it ! The end of the debate. Your not going to defend Communism ? Your a coward.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport "Your not going to defend Communism ?"
YOU'RE not going to defend Communism?
"Your a coward." YOU'RE a coward.
EternalRecursion 2 months ago in playlist Republicans
@EternalRecursion Communism always = Coward. You know that.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple USS Cole*
DickCheneyXX 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple Are you sure about that. I thought he was number one since the 1993 WTC bombing. Or maybe the US Cole bombing?
DickCheneyXX 2 months ago
@RealityGrapple former President Clinton likes when you bend over to defend him.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
Fair elections don't benefit evil assholes. Cenk, stop. Reblicans don't care about facts. Never have. Never will. What do people who think they're right about everything need with facts.
fatouche99 2 months ago
@fatouche99 " What do people who think they're right about everything need with facts. " Conservatives can't be right about everything because Liberals and Progressives are the smartest people in the universe. That's why there is no God.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@fatouche99 Replace Republicans with Democrats and your post is equally correct.
Truthfully, Cenk is one of the biggest offenders of factless conjecture. He constantly cherry picks and claims that correlation = causation, but only if it supports his a priori notions.
Ant1Live 2 months ago
@Ant1Live Thanks for proving my point. TTFN
fatouche99 2 months ago
Everyone, rich or poor, gets their right thumb immersed in three day indelible ink. Problem solved.
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
An "Ork" is a mythical figure, who worship above all things a solid Gold material Ring. They are war-like (bellicose--I think I said this before) and generally greedy. They follow the mysterious orders of a ruling elite of superior beings for no real good reason.
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
@hatemorethanyou999 Orks seem like Democrats, Liberals and Progressives grasping at the ideal of a perfect Government, those who follow whatever NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, the Daily Kos, Think Progress, Move on.org, the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the St. Pete Times and Current TV says.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport I'm sorry, but who has been starting wars lately. Reagan, Bush 1, bush2 and Obama--that's three Republicans to one Democrat by my math. And if, by chance, you are talking about bygone eras, what is the relevance?
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
@hatemorethanyou999 When you ignore Al Queda from Jan 1993 - Jan 2001, bad things happen and when you legislate selling homes to people who really can't afford them, bad things happen, My point about your Orc's was right on the money but you seem to be to far gone to read it with objectivity. More's the pity.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport
Re: " When you ignore Al Queda from Jan 1993 - Jan 2001, bad things happen . . . "
But not as bad as when you ignore things starting Jan. 2001.
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
@hatemorethanyou999 As mad as the Clinton - Gore administation was at the outcome of the 2001 election, do you really think they passed on their best intelligence ? Maybe you do but I don't.
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport I submit to you that you are a computer program designed to refute "liberals" if they sat anything. Say 1000110101001010 if yes, and 101110110111 if wrong.
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
@hatemorethanyou999 I have a counter arguement, that's what debate is all about. I give you my best arguement and you give me yours and maybe we'll learn something. That seems fair .
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport Ben Laden was number one on the FBI most wanted list since 1993... Get lost scrub.
DickCheneyXX 2 months ago
@CFrostyTheSnowman That wasn't voter fraud. That was election fraud.
cynisturb 2 months ago
Felons attempting to vote when the state stripped their constitutional right to vote away is not voter fraud. Voter fraud is when a person or people attempt to vote more than once or they attempt to vote with another registered voter's name. Therefore there were NO cases of voter fraud.
cynisturb 2 months ago
@cynisturb Many "felons" are merely people who enjoy a joint rather than a Budweiser. I say let everyone vote.
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
@hatemorethanyou999 " I say let everyone vote. " OK, but many times can they vote ? Do you have a limit on how many times votes a person can cast a vote in a election ? Should Liberal and Progressive people have 5 votes and Conservative people have 1 ?
MrSpencerport 2 months ago
@MrSpencerport Everyone gets to vote once . .OBVIOUSLY.
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
If you are against voters showing ID before entering the polling booth, for whatever reason, then you support unqualified voters casting ballots, and you also support dishonesty in elections by letting people cast multiple votes.
Period.
MachOverspeedsPlace 2 months ago
@MachOverspeedsPlace Except nobody IS voting fraudulently. Most of the electoral fraud is committed by those running the elections, not the voters, they are purging rolls of eligible voters, they are rigging voting machines, they are using their own personal computers to store the votes (very suspicious in itself) they are designing deliberately confusing ballot papers, and thats just off the top of my head.
dangerouslytalented 2 months ago
@dangerouslytalented How do we know that nobody is voting fraudulently, when nobody is checking ID's? Which means, that there is no data to base your assertion on.
Surely, you wouldn't attempt to prove a negative by an absence of relevent data, would you?
That the possibility exists, and given the evil nature of all politicians/some partisans, logic dictates that measures must be taken to prevent ballot nullification by illegal voting.
It's just that simple.
Check the ID
MachOverspeedsPlace 2 months ago
@MachOverspeedsPlace Nobody is CHECKING? are you SERIOUS? They are checking WHEREVER THEY SUSPECT ANY KIND OF FRAUD, because they want excuses to disenfranchise anybody who they suspect will vote for the other party. So they have LARGE NUMBERS OF SCRUTINEERS.
dangerouslytalented 2 months ago
@dangerouslytalented Yes, I'm serious. No, they're not. Because, if they were, fucking Libs would be howling at the moon behind voter ID's being checked, which is why they're pitching a bitch here, because some people want to, and we ain't even doing it yet
Like I said in a diff thread. Get pulled over in Ft. Worth with no ID and you're going to jail for FAILURE TO ID. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. But if ya' make it to the polls, vote 10 times if ya' want, because nobody's checking ID.
MachOverspeedsPlace 2 months ago
@MachOverspeedsPlace If there were ANY evidence that there was enough voter fraud (the actual voters voting when they should not have been) in races where such people could have swayed the election, then the far right would have been trumpeting them from the rooftops. Hell, Bush FIRED a bunch of attourneys because they COULD NOT FIND the evidence that he wanted that there was such fraud taking place.Whereas evidence of illegal voter purges abounds.
dangerouslytalented 2 months ago
@dangerouslytalented Dude, once again, there is no evidence, because nobody is checking Voter ID's. You cannot prove a negative with zero data collected. The ONLY WAY to get actual numbers, is to check Voter ID's.
That the possibility exists demands action be taken to prevent it. Eligible voters have the Right to not be disenfranchised by so much as one illegal vote being cast. Period.
If getting proper ID's to people is the problem, then lets get them all ID'd. OK?
MachOverspeedsPlace 2 months ago
@MachOverspeedsPlace If you have to pay for such IDs, that is a poll tax. So such IDs must be provided free by the government.
dangerouslytalented 2 months ago
@MachOverspeedsPlace Is there any EVIDENCE of voter fraud on a scale that matters? Please produce it or shut the fuck up!
hatemorethanyou999 2 months ago
@hatemorethanyou999 How can there be any evidence, dumbass, when nobody is checking ID's? You would attempt to prove a negative by virtue of having no data, which is impossible.
Please refrain from any occupation that requires logical thinking.
Thanks for playing, and have a nice day.
MachOverspeedsPlace 2 months ago
Wait, you guys don't have government issued identity cards for everyone? Odd...
DeLilleD 2 months ago
@DeLilleD No, we don't. But, if your ass is in Ft. Worth, TX, and you get pulled over for ANY reason whatsoever, and you and/or your passengers can't produce a valid Texas Drivers License, or a valid license issued by another State, or a current Passport (any country), or a valid "Green Card", you are going to spend the night in jail for "Failure to ID".
End of story, except...
If you make it to the polls, you can vote as often as you like, because they don't check ID.
MachOverspeedsPlace 2 months ago
Reince Priebus? Is that a name?
MrDragon1968 2 months ago
Can you not use your passport as photo ID? Surely the vast majority of people in America have one of those? If that's not the case it just goes to show what a mess your society is.
floppykid 2 months ago
@floppykid
Most Americans are unable to ever afford travel overseas and many who are able are uninterested in doing so. Poll taxes are unconstitutional and illegal, so you cannot force someone to fork over money for a passport in order to vote.
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@floppykid Most Americans don't travel outside the US at all. Hell, most don't even travel outside the state they were born in.
The most efficient way would be to issue a free proof of age ID for all those who are eligible, (which will also prove they can drink and buy tobacco).
dangerouslytalented 2 months ago
@dangerouslytalented
Haha, a government service provided free of chrage in America, good one.
floppykid 2 months ago
@floppykid Oh yeah, I knew that there would be a flaw in my plan, it can happen in every other industrialised nation, except for that one.
dangerouslytalented 2 months ago
@floppykid Most folks in Amerika have never even seen a Passport. I know this from my experience as a charter pilot. Yes, the Passport is valid ID in all 50 States. Even foreign issued ones.
Funny one. I got pulled over by a rural cop once. My DL was packed way deep in my flight bag somewhere, so I whipped out the Passport from my pocket and gave it to him.
The cop looks at it a minute and says, "What's this, and why is it printed in French? Out of the car, NOW ! "
It took 2 hours..
MachOverspeedsPlace 2 months ago