Probably should have had a jumpsuit on. Would have saved you from that "road rash" affect. It looks like you may have caught your arm on the step of the plane...
Look, it's simple - 'skydiving' is the part BEFORE the parachute is open, and after you leave the plane.
This was an IAD. There was about 1/2 second between jumping and deploying, so there is no skydiving to talk of. What this is is just a bad, inexperienced, parachute landing. You weren't trying 'skydiving' and you didn't understand parachute dynamics, or you froze and forgot what you had learned, (happens).
What you really clearly weren't doing was 'skydiving', at all, at any point.
Glad to hear you are ok. Sorry to hear see that you didn't understand how important it is for your arms to be FULLY extended up and down during your landing, as well as waiting until told to flare by the instructor. Just after your last turn your arms should be extended upwards (you lost 1/3 of your stopping power there) and you flared about two full seconds early. Finally, even though the running man seemed logical, your best chance of non-injury is executing the PLF.
What bothers me most is the way the pilot threw the plane around and the rush to get this poor student outside. The spot looks way long and the step was not used for what reason? I can't comment about this dropzone's safety record but have to wonder what it is. I've honestly seen better handling by the patient and well patterned instructors at the Air Adventures DZ in Clewiston, FL.
@AntiStalinist I don't know what dz this is but the airplane only appears to be 'thrown' around for the same reason the spot appears long...WIDE lens. We use the hanging method for S/L students because they just have to let go and they are in an arch position. The 'running' before hitting the ground did not save him from anything, That causes more injuries than anything, lucky. Toggles never went all the way up, knees and feet never together, and very high flare. Typical student mistakes.
@goingtoeatpizza - It's called an IAD, PCA's are for BASE. IAD is pretty standard, static lining is outdated. I have dispatched sveral hundred first time jumpers using the IAD method.
@goingtoeatpizza- There is a potential for sure. The instructor needs to be on the ball and managing the PC and bridle very well. To the best of my knowledge there has not been a tail strike caused by IAD in western Canada where I jump and the number of IAD's performed would be in the several hundred thousand range for sure. This is how I did my first jump back in 1990. The malfunction rate with an IAD is much better than static lining which is one of the reason I prefer this method.
I sure hope that guy was OK. I noticed a few things: timid on the climb out, didn't go out far enough on the strut, didn't go to a #3 flare, and no PLF. I had a HELL of a PLF a couple of jumps ago......but did it right and only a grass stain.
Nothing to do with a first timer's IAD exit & flare?
The student flared high, the instructor affirmed this because it is safer to. The student did not complete the flare as instructed and started running in mid air instead of keeping feet and knees together as instructed.
Not the instructor's fault. High flares and landing biffs are normal for first time jumpers. Skydiving is new and intense & humans have survival instincts so sometimes the training & instruction is not heeded.
the turn is low, which is the radio guys fault, but this guy flared earlier than told and didn't flare all the way. Half of a flare as early as the jumper did it results in thud.
wow that sounds to me like the Instructor talking you in wasnt too good. he had you turning way too low. and why did he tell you to flare on the base leg of the landing pattern? idk i was taught to look out at a 45 degree angle when landing to prevent ground rush and an early flare.
that last turn was well too late (should have been 300ft). Seems the rest of it was pretty damn good for a beginner. If you had better instruction it would have been much better
That is the most cowboyish operation I have ever seen?!
What are you doing hanging from the strut of the plane?!! and was this meant to be a 'static line' jump or a pilot chute assist jump?!
And the landing coaching was terrible too!
he told you to 'hard turn' just prior to final approach and low I guess...then he told you to put toggles all the way up at about 30 feet up..not a good plan which is why you built up speed and the flare didnt kill it all.
Yeah I just had nasty road rash and the wind knocked out of me. Luckly I did try to "run" to the ground which most likley saved me from 2 fractured femurs! The place I went had a very bad track record of having first timers have fatal jumps...I was not aware of this at the time, I only found this out after. I was young and trusting so I did not ask alot of the questions I should have. At least it was a lesson I was able to learn from.
At least you didn't let the toggles back up after flaring too early, before the radio operator told you to, probably would've broken you. I flared way too late on my first jump, didn't hurt much either.
Your biff had nothing to do with the track record of the place and everything to do with you not completing your flare when instructed and not doing a PLF when instructed.
"hands up", dude. Not knees. You simply freaked and flared too soon. Typical beginner mistake. To your credit, the guy bringing you in on radio was a fuckup - he had you turning WAY too low. You had too much speed built up for landing.
More speed built up for landing is BETTER usually..
Too many 'internet' skydivers who don't know what they are talking about!
The turn was WAY too low.
The guy on radio was dangerously bad, but more forward speed gives more power to the flare.
As the flare was done much too high (and not quite finished I must add) this student (a heavy student by the looks of it) was still trapping near the ground.
what the hell was the instructor doing having a student turn so low?
flyboy8501 4 months ago
Mmm Landing with a tail wind... Is bad! Mkay!?
mckx5 4 months ago
You do not belong in this sport. Give it up before you kill yourself.
TheeAthis 6 months ago
Probably should have had a jumpsuit on. Would have saved you from that "road rash" affect. It looks like you may have caught your arm on the step of the plane...
keeponwishin 6 months ago
least ur not dead :)
shakemenoodle 7 months ago
what a load of crap, the jumper flared before he was told too simple, jumpers fault
flyandjump68 10 months ago
Not half as bad....as if you had put the toggles back up....
freeflyva 10 months ago
Look, it's simple - 'skydiving' is the part BEFORE the parachute is open, and after you leave the plane.
This was an IAD. There was about 1/2 second between jumping and deploying, so there is no skydiving to talk of. What this is is just a bad, inexperienced, parachute landing. You weren't trying 'skydiving' and you didn't understand parachute dynamics, or you froze and forgot what you had learned, (happens).
What you really clearly weren't doing was 'skydiving', at all, at any point.
jinjatube 10 months ago
ground instructor: "flareflareflare"
payneless: "toggles ?!?! we don need no stinking toggles !!"
glad yer ok man, blues !!
TheDouchesupreme 1 year ago
Now that's a Prepared, Landing, Foley.
FarceTheory 1 year ago
R O F L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheRunescapeBot2010 1 year ago
It hurts less if you flare...
chanctonbury63 1 year ago
a fuc that hurt..
timbriers123 1 year ago
Glad to hear you are ok. Sorry to hear see that you didn't understand how important it is for your arms to be FULLY extended up and down during your landing, as well as waiting until told to flare by the instructor. Just after your last turn your arms should be extended upwards (you lost 1/3 of your stopping power there) and you flared about two full seconds early. Finally, even though the running man seemed logical, your best chance of non-injury is executing the PLF.
SeattleJeff1 1 year ago
LOLOLOL
UKmarkj 1 year ago
What bothers me most is the way the pilot threw the plane around and the rush to get this poor student outside. The spot looks way long and the step was not used for what reason? I can't comment about this dropzone's safety record but have to wonder what it is. I've honestly seen better handling by the patient and well patterned instructors at the Air Adventures DZ in Clewiston, FL.
AntiStalinist 1 year ago
@AntiStalinist I don't know what dz this is but the airplane only appears to be 'thrown' around for the same reason the spot appears long...WIDE lens. We use the hanging method for S/L students because they just have to let go and they are in an arch position. The 'running' before hitting the ground did not save him from anything, That causes more injuries than anything, lucky. Toggles never went all the way up, knees and feet never together, and very high flare. Typical student mistakes.
pulsejet1 1 year ago
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ZLew02 1 year ago
haha.. Femur is a verb in skydiving @carpetfactory.
To Femur: To break ones Femur. Usually caused by a low turn on landing.
ZLew02 1 year ago
dont let fat people skydive
brinken87 1 year ago
That's what you get for being stupid :)
ParaglidingManiac 1 year ago
I hope that person did themself a favor and quit skydiving
skysurfyou 1 year ago
Watching student landings is one of the most entertaining parts of the sport.
gaz511 2 years ago
That wasn't a PLF, but more of a SPLAT.
neomuttley 2 years ago
static line nxt time i think ?
joshbanford 2 years ago
PCA out of a plane? Are they fucking nuts?
goingtoeatpizza 2 years ago
@goingtoeatpizza - It's called an IAD, PCA's are for BASE. IAD is pretty standard, static lining is outdated. I have dispatched sveral hundred first time jumpers using the IAD method.
MoonUnitAlpha 1 year ago
@MoonUnitAlpha it just seems like great potential for a tail strike
goingtoeatpizza 1 year ago
@goingtoeatpizza- There is a potential for sure. The instructor needs to be on the ball and managing the PC and bridle very well. To the best of my knowledge there has not been a tail strike caused by IAD in western Canada where I jump and the number of IAD's performed would be in the several hundred thousand range for sure. This is how I did my first jump back in 1990. The malfunction rate with an IAD is much better than static lining which is one of the reason I prefer this method.
MoonUnitAlpha 1 year ago
I sure hope that guy was OK. I noticed a few things: timid on the climb out, didn't go out far enough on the strut, didn't go to a #3 flare, and no PLF. I had a HELL of a PLF a couple of jumps ago......but did it right and only a grass stain.
PotatoGunsRule 2 years ago
that drop zone has a terrible track record with student.couple students have died there.
remi8811 2 years ago
Nothing to do with a first timer's IAD exit & flare?
The student flared high, the instructor affirmed this because it is safer to. The student did not complete the flare as instructed and started running in mid air instead of keeping feet and knees together as instructed.
Not the instructor's fault. High flares and landing biffs are normal for first time jumpers. Skydiving is new and intense & humans have survival instincts so sometimes the training & instruction is not heeded.
dorbie 2 years ago
I like the boulder and what appears to be a barbed wire fence less than 20 ft from where students are landing. idiots.
noserider207 2 years ago
That's a hay bale, and an entire field to land in, AND it's not as close as you claim. These were non factors, the student didn't flare correctly.
dorbie 2 years ago
down wind landing!!!!!
sucker on the radio, kick him off the dropzone!
rovpilot1 2 years ago
More like an incomplete flare in zero wind. The guy never planed out and his hands never got below his belly.
dorbie 2 years ago
That was way to low altitude to be using
such radio commands like "Hard Right".
goodvibrations75 3 years ago
It was on the low side but the guy is flying a tent probably with brakes trimmed long. Nothing came of it, he was wings level on final.
dorbie 2 years ago
Look at the chute after landing! downwind it is
rovpilot1 2 years ago
the turn is low, which is the radio guys fault, but this guy flared earlier than told and didn't flare all the way. Half of a flare as early as the jumper did it results in thud.
Matoaka42 3 years ago
I learned after my first 3 jumps flair a second or two after the instructor tell you tell. Perfect landing.
katyu16 3 years ago 2
looks like you pulled too early.. he was getting ready to tell you to flare and you went before his mark... typical ground rush effect
terrymccully 3 years ago 10
Too early
Gustaf69 3 years ago
wow that sounds to me like the Instructor talking you in wasnt too good. he had you turning way too low. and why did he tell you to flare on the base leg of the landing pattern? idk i was taught to look out at a 45 degree angle when landing to prevent ground rush and an early flare.
t0winthiswar 3 years ago
I had a very very similiar landing (in terms of speed and impact) on my first AFF. It hurt, a lot and I sprained my ankle a bit.
I was also told 'toggles all the way up' at much too low an altitude for the canopy to recover and give me a proper flare.
End result = BANG!
I think that was the main problem here...the flare just wasnt as effective as it should have been
and1c 3 years ago
Oh dear god........... That just not good... Can you remeber what height you where on your final 90(ish) turn? Looked wayyyyy too low...
Glad your not broken lol
skippshaun 3 years ago 3
that last turn was well too late (should have been 300ft). Seems the rest of it was pretty damn good for a beginner. If you had better instruction it would have been much better
rygon101 3 years ago
and you should have PLFd too!
and1c 3 years ago
WTF!
That is the most cowboyish operation I have ever seen?!
What are you doing hanging from the strut of the plane?!! and was this meant to be a 'static line' jump or a pilot chute assist jump?!
And the landing coaching was terrible too!
he told you to 'hard turn' just prior to final approach and low I guess...then he told you to put toggles all the way up at about 30 feet up..not a good plan which is why you built up speed and the flare didnt kill it all.
Were you ok?
and1c 3 years ago
femur is not a verb... but, seriously, were you ok? I didn't see you get up.
Did they teach you a PLF?
carpetfactory 3 years ago
Yeah I just had nasty road rash and the wind knocked out of me. Luckly I did try to "run" to the ground which most likley saved me from 2 fractured femurs! The place I went had a very bad track record of having first timers have fatal jumps...I was not aware of this at the time, I only found this out after. I was young and trusting so I did not ask alot of the questions I should have. At least it was a lesson I was able to learn from.
PayneLessCreations 3 years ago
At least you didn't let the toggles back up after flaring too early, before the radio operator told you to, probably would've broken you. I flared way too late on my first jump, didn't hurt much either.
cknhawk79 3 years ago 3
Your biff had nothing to do with the track record of the place and everything to do with you not completing your flare when instructed and not doing a PLF when instructed.
dorbie 2 years ago
"hands up", dude. Not knees. You simply freaked and flared too soon. Typical beginner mistake. To your credit, the guy bringing you in on radio was a fuckup - he had you turning WAY too low. You had too much speed built up for landing.
kuai43 3 years ago 2
More speed built up for landing is BETTER usually..
Too many 'internet' skydivers who don't know what they are talking about!
The turn was WAY too low.
The guy on radio was dangerously bad, but more forward speed gives more power to the flare.
As the flare was done much too high (and not quite finished I must add) this student (a heavy student by the looks of it) was still trapping near the ground.
and1c 3 years ago 6
The video just would not have been as funny had I did that!
PayneLessCreations 3 years ago
What part of "knees up, feet together" did you not understand?
akunit04 3 years ago