That's the best way to describe it that I've heard. Slightly less of the 'h' sound though, but that is an excellent way for people who are unfamiliar with Welsh to try to learn the sound.
2 (Fem)- Dwy (Masc.) Dau 3 (Fem)- Tair (Masc.) Tri 4 (Fem)- Pedair (Masc.) Pedwar 11- Un ar ddeg 12- Deuddeg 13- Tair ar ddeg 14- Pedwar ar ddeg 15- Pymtheg 16- Un ar bymtheg 17- Dau ar bymtheg 18- Deunaw 19- Pedwar ar bymtheg 20- Ugain 21- Un ar hugain
"Purple" why aren't these the numbers you teach? Isn't the vigesimal counting system the real one, and so much better than the "modern" decimal one. I have read that the decimal was introduced because of the (perceived) "difficulties" in teaching children maths. Those who, as children, leanred maths in French, surely you have no trouble with troi moin que soixante et onze. It was thought the decimal system was "simpler."
Sorry, I was replying in technical terms to a teacher of Welsh. The pronunciation of Welsh is easy, as the spelling represents the sounds very closely, with only a couple of surprises. There is only one unfamiliar sound, which is 'll'. As for the 'th' sound - 'th' equals English 'th' as in thin, and 'dd' equals English 'th' as in than. 'd' is the same as in English 'd'. So gogledd is pronounced 'gogleth', ('th' as in faTHer), and byth is pronounced 'bith' ('th' as in THin). Good luck.
'll' is officially an unvoiced (whispered) alveolar (tongue touching the ridge behind your top teeth, as for normal 'l') bilateral (air goes out either side of your tongue) fricative (obstruction from the parts of your mouth making the sound, compare 'zzzzz' (fricative) with any vowel sound for eg.). No significant difference dependent on position, but all sounds differ very slightly depending on the sounds around them. Best thing is to meet a Welsh speaker and ask them to show you.
@NonchalantAlchemist Yeah....I agree. American here with Welsh heritage. Trying to learn. When I went to wales several years back I was surprised to find out not a lot of people still speak the native language
No, there are 2 "th" sounding sound in welsh. "dd" is often described as being a thicker "th" sound, formed by the tongue being further back tan when forming the sound "th". The "dd" sound is more prominant. "th" in welsh is a thinner sound, the tongue is further forward, or on the teeth when this sound is formed, like "thin" as opposed to a "dd" sound which an equivilant in english would be "that".
I'm afraid your comments are unhelpful. There are 2 'th' sounds in English, as in Welsh: a voiced interdental fricative and an unvoiced interd. fric. In English, both sounds are represented by the digraph 'th' - the difference has to be learned with the word, ie think vs. that. However, in Welsh the voiced fricative is represented by 'dd', and the unvoiced by 'th'. Why not in your transcription of 'dd' simply put 'th', as English speakers are used to this digraph having 2 values anyway?
There are mnay differences between southern and northern wlesh, the most prominant being the accent, but also many of the owrds are also entirely different.
I know what you mean and the whole welsh in schools subject, many of my welsh learning friends also find being taught welsh frustrating as it is taught in a very old fashioned way. But keep on trying! Never give up!
In terms of sounds, south dialect is easier to learn. There are even different words for the same thing in northern and southern Wales. But knowledge of both would be best, of course.
Yes, there is an extreme difference, As a south Walian speaker it can sometimes be very diffecult to understand poeple from the Noth of Wales. North Walians have a more Throughty nazel accent.
lots of words are diferent too like some words in southern wales is masculin and the same word in north is feminin. instead os 'un deg un' in the south its 'un ar ddeg'. Also dates e.e. 'yr undeg nawfed' in the south and in north is 'y pedwerydd ar bymtheg'. Da bo (bye)
Mae rhaid i fi siarad Cymraeg pobman yn fy nghysgol i. Sai'n hoffi gwersi Cymraeg oherwydd rwy'n fel arfer yn cael y dreigladau'n anghywyr. :-(
CommandComps 1 month ago
We're forced to speak welsh everywhere in school.
CommandComps 1 month ago
My school is a welsh school never stop speaking welsh I live in wales we get detention if we speak english
fizzyizzysmith 2 months ago
anyone else hear the MSN thing in the background? :3
PeRioDicxJoee 8 months ago
kind of you to produce the video tutorial, but why the chipmonk voice? its beyond infuriating.
JacobxMarley 11 months ago 2
pimp. haha
ipodfan123 1 year ago
Just like Breton!
ponggolese 1 year ago
I'm English and, by rights, I shouldn't be watching this. This is very interesting.
Feisty1967 1 year ago 2
2- die hahhahahaha
DreadGamers 1 year ago
how weird!!
Ive never seen a number counting system like that.
willjack2106 1 year ago
is it me or does the number 4 in welsh sound like a character from star wars??
scyllaandcharybdis 1 year ago 3
this is flipping easy i know up 2 1000 but i am welsh aaha :)
OMGitslydiee 2 years ago
At 0:45, the MSN messenger sound comes up. LOL.
intothatyeah 2 years ago 2
ll is basically pronounced by saying 'l' while saying 'h' with your throat, it sounds like 'hl'
EyesOnYou25 2 years ago
That's the best way to describe it that I've heard. Slightly less of the 'h' sound though, but that is an excellent way for people who are unfamiliar with Welsh to try to learn the sound.
purplelibrarian 2 years ago
THANK YOU FOR POSTING BIG HELP! :)
missy4142 2 years ago
samrackley 2 years ago
"Purple" why aren't these the numbers you teach? Isn't the vigesimal counting system the real one, and so much better than the "modern" decimal one. I have read that the decimal was introduced because of the (perceived) "difficulties" in teaching children maths. Those who, as children, leanred maths in French, surely you have no trouble with troi moin que soixante et onze. It was thought the decimal system was "simpler."
Myrtone 1 year ago
I wanna learn Welsh but... oh jesus, it looks SO SO SO confusing xD
NonchalantAlchemist 2 years ago 7
Sorry, I was replying in technical terms to a teacher of Welsh. The pronunciation of Welsh is easy, as the spelling represents the sounds very closely, with only a couple of surprises. There is only one unfamiliar sound, which is 'll'. As for the 'th' sound - 'th' equals English 'th' as in thin, and 'dd' equals English 'th' as in than. 'd' is the same as in English 'd'. So gogledd is pronounced 'gogleth', ('th' as in faTHer), and byth is pronounced 'bith' ('th' as in THin). Good luck.
annbretagne 2 years ago
Ooh wow, thanks a lot for that!
Could you just help with one more thing though and I'll love you forever? XD
Whats the proper way to pronounce "ll"?
and if it's in the middle of a word does it sound different than it would if it was at the start or end of a word?
NonchalantAlchemist 2 years ago
'll' is officially an unvoiced (whispered) alveolar (tongue touching the ridge behind your top teeth, as for normal 'l') bilateral (air goes out either side of your tongue) fricative (obstruction from the parts of your mouth making the sound, compare 'zzzzz' (fricative) with any vowel sound for eg.). No significant difference dependent on position, but all sounds differ very slightly depending on the sounds around them. Best thing is to meet a Welsh speaker and ask them to show you.
annbretagne 2 years ago
@NonchalantAlchemist Yeah....I agree. American here with Welsh heritage. Trying to learn. When I went to wales several years back I was surprised to find out not a lot of people still speak the native language
dannyd1572 1 year ago
You could add for 'th' 'as in think' and for 'dd' 'as in 'that', for instance.
annbretagne 2 years ago
Shouldn't 'dd' be represented by 'th' as in that or father?
annbretagne 2 years ago
No, there are 2 "th" sounding sound in welsh. "dd" is often described as being a thicker "th" sound, formed by the tongue being further back tan when forming the sound "th". The "dd" sound is more prominant. "th" in welsh is a thinner sound, the tongue is further forward, or on the teeth when this sound is formed, like "thin" as opposed to a "dd" sound which an equivilant in english would be "that".
purplelibrarian 2 years ago
I'm afraid your comments are unhelpful. There are 2 'th' sounds in English, as in Welsh: a voiced interdental fricative and an unvoiced interd. fric. In English, both sounds are represented by the digraph 'th' - the difference has to be learned with the word, ie think vs. that. However, in Welsh the voiced fricative is represented by 'dd', and the unvoiced by 'th'. Why not in your transcription of 'dd' simply put 'th', as English speakers are used to this digraph having 2 values anyway?
annbretagne 2 years ago
lol welsh was my first language
and its weird how people find learning welsh is hard
lol
Hewb1 2 years ago
Im taking welsh for GCSE
jojotomaz 2 years ago
I love learning welsh.. I'm doing an A level in it now :)
butterfly0flutterby 3 years ago
lol the only welsh word i know is Cymru
1875HIBSFC 3 years ago
whats the difference between the northern and southern variations?
I wish I was a fluent welsh speaker, But all im able to learn is what they teach us in school, witch isnt much tbh...
I find english to be such a plain language now... and welsh to be so beautiful!
afanofmeanythings 3 years ago 4
There are mnay differences between southern and northern wlesh, the most prominant being the accent, but also many of the owrds are also entirely different.
I know what you mean and the whole welsh in schools subject, many of my welsh learning friends also find being taught welsh frustrating as it is taught in a very old fashioned way. But keep on trying! Never give up!
purplelibrarian 3 years ago
dwin barod yn siarad cymraeg
Gigillpp006te 3 years ago
No - they're all spelt 100% correctly.
Knappa22 3 years ago
this made evry thing so easy
craked66 3 years ago
welsh is my second language
and i can speak welsh i am from south wales and north wales is a bit different and sounds different 2
welshgitgirl 3 years ago 3
In terms of sounds, south dialect is easier to learn. There are even different words for the same thing in northern and southern Wales. But knowledge of both would be best, of course.
purplelibrarian 3 years ago
Your voice has such clarity! Thanks, you should do a podcast on itunes.
anthwhite91 3 years ago 10
Thank you! I'll consider it!
purplelibrarian 3 years ago
is this southern welsh? thats what im trying to learn.
murraythehotscot 4 years ago
Yes, these are southern welsh numbers. But will be understood when spoken in the north.
purplelibrarian 4 years ago
diolch :) (that is thanks isn't it?)
murraythehotscot 4 years ago
(yep thats right) Dim Problem, pob lwc (good luck)
purplelibrarian 4 years ago
Is there a difference in pronunciation with northern and souther Welsh?
notthatbasic 4 years ago
Yes, there is an extreme difference, As a south Walian speaker it can sometimes be very diffecult to understand poeple from the Noth of Wales. North Walians have a more Throughty nazel accent.
purplelibrarian 4 years ago
lots of words are diferent too like some words in southern wales is masculin and the same word in north is feminin. instead os 'un deg un' in the south its 'un ar ddeg'. Also dates e.e. 'yr undeg nawfed' in the south and in north is 'y pedwerydd ar bymtheg'. Da bo (bye)
DOO1 4 years ago
Ya..
Grace3d 4 years ago