Astrology is closer to science than Intelligent Design

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[gleehmee]

@mrhnm and now all you need to do is find a way to 'centre' the text so it looks balanced and pretty :)

[Huttate1]

The truth of the matter is that the amount of people in the vicinity when you were conceived or born have a greater gravitational effect on you than the planets.

You would also need to plot the location of all aircraft in the sky at the time as these too would have a greater effect than even Jupiter.

[9hello123]

@Huttate1 While I entirely agree astrology is a load of crap, that is just wrong.

The most massive aircraft in the world is about 600 tons, at a relativity low altitude of 3km this would only exert 2.6692*10^-10 N on a 60kg person, whereas Jupiter would exert 2.20*10^-5N about 80,000 times stronger than the most massive aircraft in the world.

[Huttate1]

@9hello123 Not got my sliderule to hand and will bow to the maths. But would add that I was talking about all aircraft. From memory the estimate is up to 10,000 airborne at any time. Even then I would accept our calcs prove that would be an order of magnitude below Jupiter's gravitational effect.

Can I add in the locations of all the world's super-tankers to save the argument?

[tetsusaigaiy]

@AlwaysDisagreeing

I never said that i know what effects planets have on our brains. Everything affects everything, if one assumes that it is possible to know of all the factors affecting an event, the outcome can be predicted.

Our own gravitational field probably has an effect on the our brains (ex. ion potentials), just as it has an effect on the other parts of our body. This however, is assuming that reality is non dualistic in nature and that the mind and the brain are the same thing.

[tetsusaigaiy]

@tetsusaigaiy

I'm not supporting astrology here, I'm just saying that the effect that the these bodies have, would be cyclical hence a pattern could have been observed over the centuries, coupled with human interpretation full of imagination would probably be astrology.

[dan012345]

@tetsusaigaiy ...because Dualism is an acceptable and justified world view right?

[tetsusaigaiy]

@dan012345

I'm saying that the concept of the planets affecting the brain, hence the mind hold water if one assumes a non-dualistic world view. In terms of mind-body dualism, I don't know how dualism is an acceptable world view...

[tetsusaigaiy]

The Planets obviously have have some effect on our minds, but if the different schools of astrology are the right methodologies to predict these effects is questionable.

[lishey100]

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[tetsusaigaiy]

@lishey100

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[LanceWisteria]

Weird Al comes to mind. "That's your horoscope for the daaaaaaaaay~!"

[BigLundi]

@LanceWisteria I'm a Leo. I love my horoscope in that song.

"Leo! Now is not the time to photocopy your butt and staple it to your boss' face, oh no! Eat a bucket of tuna flavored pudding and wash it down with a gallon of strawberry quik!"

[ArcaneUnit]

"God did it" is in fact a very testable claim.

Proverbs 3.20 and Proverbs 8.27 both confirm Genesis 1.9. That is the third day of creation.

That there is both a circle on the face of the deep. and that the ocean floors are broken.

In addiction to explaining this. Earth (that is dry land) effectively forms a perfect sphere when brought together on all fronts simultaneously. Meaning it was much smaller, would be submerged, and was brought forth divinely.

Praise be to the Lord God, Jesus

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

you look at some science, then rip through the bible and say 'see! see! it's right here!'

oh yes, ignore the flat earth claim, the talking snake claim, the flood claim, the two (or 7) of each animal, etc etc.

here how about this. Mark 16:17-18

once you go and drink poison, and are fine, then we will talk.

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice Actually. Mark 16:17-8 was fulfilled by his apostles. Who up until Jesus death were incapable of performing miracles with their faith.

How is two of each animal a contestable argument? Or even the flood?

The talking snake granted is strange,

but no where in the bible does it claim the earth is flat.

"Earth is dry land" - africa, indoasia, europe, america

Yes I do look at science rip through the bible and prove it is right there.

God Bless you with this.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

wow. so 'you will know them [christians] by these signs' doesn't mean that you can tell a christian from a non christian. oh no! it means you will know christians only the apostles!

This is a case of reinterpreting the text to make it mean something else just so you can persist in your (now falsified) claim.

would you accept this 'argument' from another religion?

sure, the monk could survive on prana...but only in the past, and not today. oook.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"How is two of each animal a contestable argument?"

do you know how many species of termites there are?

*waits for the silly argument about 'kind'*

it says two of every animal that breaths with there nostrils and 7 of the unclean animals (lets ignore issues with inbreeding here, why? cus!)

blue whales breath through nostrils.

The flood?

There is 0 evidence of a global flood.

Provide me evidence of one.

Then I will accept it. until then, I reject the assertion.

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice 1. lakes on mountains. 2. sea shells found on mountains.

for your information. Most animals do better when they inbreed.. goats fro instance.

correction - clean animals [7]

hats wrong with several kinds of termite?

evolution = why is there zero variation of lion, giraffe, hipo etc.. they all clearly do very well for themselves and would not go extinct by being moderately... smaller.. elongated.. furrier.. whats the evolution concept supposed to revolve around??

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

lakes on mountains? (sigh) ignorance. no evidence.

2) yes....because those mountains where uplifted rock from oceans. those shells are millions of years old. ignorance again. no evidence.

"Most animals do better when they inbreed.. goats fro instance".

No. SOME do better...and usually only on a certain genetic in frequency, after that it goes down hill fast. 2 is far to small a population size. ignorance. no evidence.

"correction - clean animals [7]" yup. you are right =-D

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice

um imbreeding.

animals and increasing numbers means that it would significantly go uphill headed away from inbreeded u fool.

lol

hence they would continuously do good and better.

always

multi million year old shells. no evidence. ignorance

you can't date something to a day you can't reference. arrogance

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"animals and increasing numbers means that it would significantly go uphill headed away from inbreeded u fool."

wtf? inbreeding occurs because of a lack of genetic diversity and ever successive recessive alleles.

If you only have the genes AAA then it doesn't matter how many animals you have, if they are all AAA then you get AAA's (mutation is to unlikely and to low for this to add enough diversity in this short a period of time) and inbreeding effects.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"multi million year old shells. no evidence. ignorance"

Not ignorance. Evidence. We can demonstrate the shells are millions of years old we DO have references to there ages and again, we can demonstrate it. your ignorance of this is not evidence it's false. It's simply your ignorance.

Rediometric dating, magneto layering dating, coccolithophore layering rate dating, etc etc etc. The evidence is there, and more importantly...it all agrees with each other.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"whats wrong with several kinds of termite?"

again, do you know how many species of termites there are in the world? approximately 10,000. what will those 10,000 eat one that voyage? what about the 400,000 species of beetles?

either you think all these different species came from one species (congratulations, you accept evolution!) or you think noah packed um all on a tiny (compared to the ecology) boat.

oh! easy answer!

miracle!

*snicker*

really man?

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice um yeah. how many insects could you fit on the largest ship ever built out of wood and possible ever at all.

um.. the ship was made of wood. lol.

if they were each given a block, 30 species could live in a stump on board all year and still not multiply enough to go hungry.or a post... board/plank*]

happy? [

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"um yeah. how many insects could you fit on the largest ship ever built out of wood and possible ever at all."

yeah, fun how it's a big boat made of wood....that is larger then the titanic...which had to be built of steel so it wouldn't fall apart under it's own weight. how exactly was such a big boat built of wood made again?

GOD MAGIC! rofl.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"if they were each given a block, 30 species could live in a stump on board all year and still not multiply enough to go hungry.or a post... board/plank*]"

to save a termite species (of which there are THOUSANDS of different species remember) you would have to save a small number, say a hundred or so....then place them on DIFFERENT stumps (they fight and kill each other)....that's a lot of wood....a lot....where talking the whole hull of the boat. JUST for the termites.

GOD MAGIC

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"whats the evolution concept supposed to revolve around??"

Population mechanics combined with genetic drift, mutation, attrition and genetic crossover recombination. That's it.

every last one of those things is directly observed and has had major impacts in your life. Like the computer chip you are using to argue against evolution with was evolved using genetic algorithms...which is a mathematical simulation of the process to solve specific problems. like layout selection.

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice your technological statement means nothing in regards to supporting evolution. they observed what exists and utilized it, They didn't discover our ancient secret of birth.

and in fact nothing of it, at all, supports evolution in the first place. nothing. you can't alter Genetics in a positive manner.

mutation. that's the one with zero evidence backing it up.

wait thats the entire theory.

PS. The Lord specifically demands we do not crossbreed our animals.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"your technological statement means nothing in regards to supporting evolution. they observed what exists and utilized it, They didn't discover our ancient secret of birth."

so your argument is that mutation, genetic drift, and attrition don't produce novel solutions in animals...just machines when we do the same thing....wow did you just type something so stupid?

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"and in fact nothing of it, at all, supports evolution in the first place. nothing. you can't alter Genetics in a positive manner."

Would you like me to list observed mutations which provided positive beneficial results? The list is HUGE. heck, just google 'observed beneficial mutation'. Are you so ignorant you can't google?

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

but no where in the bible does it claim the earth is flat.

Job 38:12-13

Daniel 4:10-11

Isaiah 40:18-23

These clearly shows the conception of the earth as flat (and rather small). You could argue these are simply 'metaphorical' or "That's a vision, they didn't REALLY think it was flat" to which I would answer sure....but then how do you justify when it's literal and when it's 'metaphorical' or 'allegorical' and it does NOT agree with the science...and you think the bible is right?

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice job 38.13 metaphorical and literal.

Skirts = meaning outskirts: for all the people of the world will rise up an army against God and be burned by him upon approaching his peoples in the last day.

Danial 4.10 "There was a tree at the center of the earth.

Earth, as defined in Genesis 1.10 is specifically and only, Dry Land.

scientists called our planet earth. Athiests.

Isaiah 40.22 , ever see the earth? Look. It looks like a circle.

Praise be to God!

whom educates all in truth

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

oh look! vague phrases which you then take oddly literally in some ways and metaphorically in others. Yes! it's absolutely evidence. oh, lets ignore how other religions have this same behavior. of COURSE they are just trying to fit there badly formed religious text to the observed facts we agree with. nah nothing similar there...at all...nope......

Wait. wasn't this EXACTLY what I said you would do?

again.

why do you take THIS to be allegorical or 'just means this' versus literal?

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice WTF?*!?

you said they say the earth is flat.

you arrogant fool.

I disproved your statement using the quotes you provided.

don't change the course of the conversation, smile like before.

Of course it was exactly like yous aid.

Because whether you admit it or not. It is all there.

you proved yourself wrong with the statements you provided me.

The bible isn't a riddle.

Your just seeking faults and came up across someone who could answer them!!

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"you said they say the earth is flat."

yes. i did. and the quotes from the text clearly show this is what they invisioned.

"I disproved your statement using the quotes you provided."

no, you weaseled your way around them in a way you wouldn't let any other religion get away with...like i said you would.

"The bible isn't a riddle."

riiight.

like where jesus says he speaks in riddles because he wants to insure more people go to hell.

not a riddle.

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice how do they imply that the earth si flat?

because there is an edge to dry land?

because there is for distinct corners of dry land?

because to see our planet from the sky is to look upon a circle?

Look Moreice,

nothing in the bible says the earth is flat. that's an ATHIESTS interpretation, so they can be nit picky when the bible was clear and precise.

Jesus is not the Bible,

He is the Lord.

And as an atheist you have no capability of referencing Faith and it's consequences.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"And as an atheist you have no capability of referencing Faith and it's consequences."

you arrogant stuck up douche. I have no reference for faith or it's consequence? I can WATCH what faith does. I can SEE the dead people. I can POINT TO the bodies you idiot. I think I have a very STRONG reference and capability.

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice You clearly stated that you think Jesus wants us to all die an go to hell.

as an atheist you lack the capacity to make such a reference.

You don't understand anything about faith.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"You clearly stated that you think Jesus wants us to all die an go to hell."

Mark 4:11-12

And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

or how about jesus talking in riddles so he doesn't have to heal people?

Matthew 13:10-15

Jesus was a pretty messed up dude. he advocates murder and death, child abuse, he thinks that if you have a bad life here it will be worse in the next life, animal abuse, nuttiness with a fig tree, ok's the beating of slaves, racist sob. etc etc etc.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

you don't seem to get it. The text itself implies the land is flat and small. Yes, I get you read it and interpret it a way that implies it is round. It's a perfectly valid interpretation. HERES THE POINT: as soon as you interpret ANYTHING you need to justify why your interpretation is better then any other interpretation. you seem to think 'cus it's mine!' works.

It doesn't.

isn't it funny how the ancient church believed x, but when science shows y, it becomes y?

funny.

[addmoreice]

@addmoreice

"No man ever believes that the Bible means what is says; He is always convinced it says what he means."

- George Bernard Shaw.

So apt, I had to post it.

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice Not once int he Bible does it imply that dry land is small..

what interpretations are you speaking of that I made?

I made direct references and nothing more.

"a square has four corners." ~ arcane

"says you." ~ Moreice

The ancient church didn't follow the Biblical laws for a moment.

Ever hear a Hebrew say the earth was flat.

Make logical arguments or don't argue.

POINT. I didn't interpret anything.

you just came out lying and were shut down.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

The passages directly describe a small, flat earth.

you have decided to reinterpret that as land only, as 'corners' as the 'edges of the land' etc etc etc.

That's fine, it certainly IS a valid interpretation. But again, why do you get to assume your interpretation on THIS is right, but those other interpretation of (for example genesis) is wrong?

you don't seem to get it. The text is pretty plain in the statements, you take them less literally. I get it and applaud you for it...

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"Ever hear a Hebrew say the earth was flat."

Yes. Yes I have, and many of the writings of the era talk about it exactly like that. Most of the educated had the spherical view of the world (though most had some confusion about 'falling off' still). There is a nice church document where a priest is saying that they shouldn't make silly claims counter to the observed world, otherwise the laypeople who know these facts would be skeptical and distrustful of the church's claims. IRONY!

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice First. Don't lie. You've never heard ANYONE say it. Only your teachers claim that early Christian catholics (that is pagan converts) base teachings off of it.

don't lie.

Second the Lord made the Universe. Everyhting is small to him. And yet the description does not make the world seem small.

Most relevant since this is the discussion,

EARTH being DRY LAND. Is not a translation.

IT is written on the first page.

Now since you are the "hearer that may not hear"

Bye.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"First. Don't lie. You've never heard ANYONE say it"

Since you can't POSSIBLY know that is a lie...YOU are the lier.

But next, let me point you right to the authors shall I?

Irenacus of Lyons, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Theophilus of Antioch, Laeantius, Eusebius, Cyril of Jerusalem.

Note, I am not talking about christians of the middle ages, that *is* a myth. I'm talking about *early* christian church founders. 1-5th century.

need more? there are plenty.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

When you try and argue, it helps if you know *something* about the actual subject. not just what you have been told.

Isn't it strange how I can back up every claim I've made by pointing to references and evidence, while you can't seem to back any claim up except with insults, incredulity, ignorance, and sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'no no no!'.

doesn't that suggest something to you?

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"Make logical arguments or don't argue."

The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. - yoda paraphrase.

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice Moriece reread this convo and youll realize you made NO references to support yourself,

especially ones that Were not answered completely accurately with no translation or interpretation. Simple black and white.

"When you try and argue, it helps if you know *something* about the actual subject. not just what you have been told." ~ thats for you. Right? lol

Third like I said.

Early Christian Catholics.

Pagan, warmonging converts.

no Hebrews. the text keepers and recorders

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

There was almost NO hebrew converts. almost none. Even your own book tells you this. They certainly where not the leaders.

That's like saying 'yeah, well none of the indians in america where for a monarchy, it was just the british converts to america. not the REAL americans'

it's a silly argument. I point out the early christians thought the earth was flat and argued it from a biblical stand point, you go 'not TRUE christians!'

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"youll realize you made NO references to support yourself,"

Like when I pointed out jesus wanted people to go to hell...then backed it up with your bible.

Like when I pointed out that evolution can be demonstrated....then backed it up with evidence?

etc etc etc.

Notice you just assert that YOUR interpretation of the bible is right. Where I point to the real world and say 'see this?'

asserting your assertion is correct because it's your assertion, doesn't work.

Evidence, get it

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice and oh. Moreice.

the argument was.

the BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THE EARTH IS FLAT!

evolution what?!

ps. still haven't supported a single thing u said once.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"evolution what?!"

I know how every time I point out you are wrong and you have no response you forget I said it, but go up...look what you said about mountains and shells, notice I showed you that you where wrong? that was me pointing out you are too ignorant on the subject to even put the bib on and step to the plate.

Go get fed by your church leaders some more. maybe eventually you will figure out something tastes funny and it's time to inspect what you are swallowing.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"the BIBLE DOES NOT SAY THE EARTH IS FLAT!"

no, try again. your interpretation of what the bible says means 'the earth is round'. Most of the christians in the early church said 'the bible says the earth is flat' when the Romans and Greek's took over the church, they said 'the bible when interpreted correctly says it is round!'.

The group of christian's got smarter, that's all. why should I accept YOUR interpretation over there's?

what makes you right, them wrong?

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

I'm going to use a religious analogy for you to see if you could get it.

If I where to say that christianity is false because Zues can't throw lightning bolts because lightning is made of electrons and you can't throw electrons. would you accept THAT argument against christianity?

That is the level of argument you used against evolution. It's THAT mixed up.

Even if it WHERE true, it wouldn't mean squat anyways, add in the fact that the argument itself is also incorrect.....yeah.

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice First. U didn't support your claim Jesus wants us to go to hell. In fact I specified to understand you must first Understand!

second. you haven't supported evolution once. !! fool.

third. My point was - and like everyhting here u shot at a different target - early christian catholic pagan converts said the earth was flat. No Hebrew keeper or recorder of the text. Which was the point. 3000 years of accurate documentation with no flat earth believers. DUn du' dun.

:) What?!

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"second. you haven't supported evolution once. !! fool."

Tiktaalik.

I win.

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice first u did nothing.

you pointed out a dead animal.

that neither supports evolution, or proves your point.

Behemoth. oooo.

yeah brontosaurus is in the bible.

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"Early christian catholic pagan converts said the earth was flat. No Hebrew keeper or recorder of the text. Which was the point. 3000 years of accurate documentation with no flat earth believers"

So when i pointed out, again, that you think it says round because you interpret it one way and the early church leaders (you are right, not many jews. they thought yur cult stupid) said it was round...that doesn't count. because...it doesn't. riiiight.

Interpretation, keep spinning it.

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice no. It's proven that the earth looks circular from ANY angle. duh. that's why. PROOF.

thanks for admitting U LIED so subtlety.

I interpreted nothing!

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

I never lied, and I love how you think because I disagree with your interpretation. I must be wrong.

When I point out the early church agreed with my interpretation you go 'well...not the true christians!'. Ugg you miss the point entirely.

It doesn't matter.

My point is, you have an interpretation, and others in the same religion as you have a different interpretation. what makes YOUR's right, there's wrong?

I have no pony in this race. it's all bunk.

[addmoreice]

And it would have also looked circular if it had been a circular flat disc, as the bible describes it, and as the early christians argued it was. why is your interpretation less valid then theres? why should I accept YOUR interpretation and not theres?

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

"First. U didn't support your claim Jesus wants us to go to hell. In fact I specified to understand you must first Understand!"

So when the text says jesus speaks in riddles in order to insure people don't understand him, lest they be saved.....that doesn't mean that....oh no! it means that until you understand you can't understand otherwise you would understand and be saved.....WTF?

When god kills thousands of babies, does that mean he gave them cookies?

[ArcaneUnit]

@addmoreice Yeah. ("WTF?" ~ Moreice) {"I don't understand!!" WAH WAH!" ~ moreice interpretted}

When a man is destined to die of his OWN sin, war, famine and the tyranny of others MAN. Is is better to be deemed innocent and be prepared for rebirth into a Good world immediately - Or to live and suffer.

the Mercy of the lord takes many forms.

However, like I said.You can't understand because you don't.

And your not trying. Your trying to seek fault.

You don't even know what a blessing is

[addmoreice]

@ArcaneUnit

thats brilliant! it's amazing! so when god forces the pharoahs heart to be hardened so he will not listen to moses so that moses will put the plagues on the people and kill all the first borns...that's not God's actions killing babies. that's mans.

When jesus says he speaks in riddles so that people are not saved, thats MAN'S actions.....not jesus's.

What la la land do you live in?

Do you think it's good to punish someone for something they didn't understand? really?

[addmoreice]

@addmoreice

I can list a hundred more examples where god or jesus does something specifically to cause strife and pain and suffering to the people in the bible. keep in mind, I don't believe the bible. I don't think it's real. for me it's a shrug and 'well it's fiction' book. for you it means the *definition of good* for which you think your god is....not only condones murder, he actively pursues it. same with evil heinous things like tricking people and purposely confusing them.

[CLRF2]

lmao good luck guys

[zombeepictureshow]

I fail to realize the involvement of oxytocin, in your claim...Humm, you know the chemical reaction that is love.

Psychology will probably help a great deal in understanding delusional minds. I do believe what Nietzsche said about ?ing everything you read, I always do that, but to think that the sun, stars, planetary alignments somehow affect you...Yeah, there is a word for that...

[zombeepictureshow]

I hate this nonsense...haven't you people ever heard of Dr. Bertram Forer, who proved that astrology is nothing but bullshit.....God, such nonsense hurts my brain.

[guitaoist]

did he disprove love too?

[holio84]

From the idea of god and religion we have ideas like ghosts, demons, prophecy etc. etc. It's all BS, how can one see into the future when you have 6 billion people on this planet exercising free will.

[AstroMen2911]

Astrology can not and will not predict death.

[justforflag2]

Will it predict anything else, ever?

[guitaoist]

yes

[justforflag2]

@guitaoist

For example?

[guitaoist]

it predicted that i would have a boost in money when jupiter entered pisces and bam.. i got the best job ive had in years... what have you looked for ? have you studied what you speak of ? whats your sign capricorn or virgo?

[justforflag2]

@guitaoist

Good. Let's say that it did predict that this would happen. Let's say that it's even an extremely accurate prediction and not think about the fact that MANY things could have caused a boost in money, such as a new jobs, stocks going up, winning a lottery, finding money or the street or being given money as a gift. Let's say it's a very rare prediction.

Have you thought of how many other such predictions never happen, but you don't keep those?

Now, think with the other examples I gave

[guitaoist]

"many things" as in life? as in our astrological potential? for YOU to assume that these various other "causes" aren't BECAUSE of our astrological destiny is a backwards step..

"many other such predictions never happen"

says who? im sure your newspaper horoscope has been wrong but for you to claim a position and im guessing you dont look for INDIVIDUAL writers, just MASS production, i know youre going to judge the stars only upon this mass production...

mcdonalds experience vs. fudruckers

[justforflag2]

@guitaoist

Ok, let's not look at mass production. Let's take a single astrological author you consider to be correct, and let's test him. If we find him wrong, my point that the improbable becomes probable after many tries is correct. If he is correct in every test (let's give him 50+ people to tell them their horoscopes and check the results), then your point is proven. BUT, I will put a restriction on the last one - I will also get people to decide if the prediction is specific or general.

[justforflag2]

@guitaoist

As a sidenote, you must prove that the events happened as a result of the astrological pattern appearing. In addition, If I find many examples confirming that prediction (such as I did with your boost in money) then the prediction is considered too general, or, if you prefer, less specific than expected.

[guitaoist]

cf my bloody channel if you want in depth evidence

"astro pop culture 1-32"

like i havent had these requests in the past to constantly have to "prove" to people who cant read for themselves...

[justforflag2]

@guitaoist

I saw part of the series, (they are short) and none answered what I asked for. Give me a list of videos or even a single one that answers my request.

[guitaoist]

ok poindexter do YOUR OWN experment to prove me wrong

WHO CARES if you didnt see that as evidence, what other possible evidence COULD there be? capricorn

[justforflag2]

@guitaoist

I will do my own experiment, as long as you accept it as valid.

In fact, I will try an experiment with you. I will ask you for some astrologist you consider telling the truth to tell me about my sign. Then, I will see the results with you, ok?

Other possible evidence could be a prediction that is specific, and I will judge if it is specific or not concerning how many different fulfillments it could have and the chances of it. The "boost in money" was NOT specific, as you can see.

[guitaoist]

what sign then? and why do assume you would know what to look for in regards to an astrological trait?

it is an art that if just "anyone" could interpret it would discredit the whole point of ANY study..how do you intend to prepare for this field in which youre throwing yourself? because who am i to trust a Skeptic looking for Psychological, not Tangible, evidence?

[justforflag2]

@guitaoist

Oh, so you don't like skepticism about your claim.

[guitaoist]

ha

i dont like ignorance, i love pwning skeptics tho, do you read psychology is really the qurstion of sqerpticism?

[justforflag2]

@guitaoist

"Pwning skeptics"? Wow. You just made it to the top of mount pride. You can't "pwn" a "skeptic". A skeptic says "prove it". He doesn't say "it's false".

[guitaoist]

2 points for dodging psychology twice. if you cant man up to acknowledging the art of interpretation i have nothing i can show you as proof.

[justforflag2]

@guitaoist

I'm not talking about you explaining it to me, I am talking about testing the results.

[guitaoist]

3 points

[justforflag2]

@guitaoist

Should I read psychology? I don't read psychology THAT much. I think, though, that it's irrelevant here.

[guitaoist]

but your mission was to look for psychological traits i give you to see if they correspond to the people your "reading". . . what method were you thinking if not psychological?

[justforflag2]

@guitaoist

No, no. My goal was to see specific and successful predictions, and then repetition. There you go, that's all you need to prove your point. Whether it is a psychological or a guess or something pulled out of someone's bottom is none of my concern.

[HybridD91]

I predict within two seconds of someone reading this comment that bacteria will die. I just owned Apology, I mean Astrology.

[guitaoist]

keep predicting it gives you more credibility when we all know you havent read a single text on the topic...we astrologers love your type of skeptic because ya'll make it seem so simple, like all skeptics try to make mystics

[HybridD91]

@guitaoist How can you predict something[the future] that doesn't exist yet? Isn't astrology off a few months btw? Maybe he could help; watch?v=oQPFoDkGFrU

[guitaoist]

if youre talking about the 13th sign placement so all the others are wrong, i made a vid a year ago countering that. "

precession of the equioxes dont make us our original sign"

[guitaoist]

cf saturn return and rockstars who die at 27

[morgandrim]

I wish I were an astrologer. Being paid for talking about something they know next to nothing about.Certainly no more - on average - than the man in the street.

Who do they know nothing ? Because there`s nothing to know.

[guitaoist]

about you for sure

[takenflame]

You know that even "if" the soul existed, the only reason we feel any pain is thru our physical body.

So we can know something is wrong with it.

After you're dead there would be no point to feel anything. (of course you being so enthusiastic about your beliefs , you really enjoy the thought of a sadistic "demon" that would do all the horrific things you secretly desire other people to experience.) And you wash your hands by "warning"people of the evil future that awaits people different than u

[XxZaitenxX]

Well how do you know the soul doesn't feel anything though?

[takenflame]

How do you know it does?

I'm just going by logic here.

To me it seems better than believing in a book where it compares the christian god's powers to dragons and unicorns.

Besides the Pope just recently said there is no hell.

[XxZaitenxX]

I don't believe the Pope, thank you for telling me. Where does it talk about unicorns, and my question was over if souls existed, if anyone could really know if they experienced pain and if you think they would or not.

[Suboloc]

One of many in the King James edition.

Psalm 22:21

Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

[mattyabsley]

I laugh at these claims that we can exist outside our own bodies, because all of these claims paint pictures that we will still retain all of our human like attributes even though it's our body and alone that gives us our human like attributes lol... too funny.

[guitaoist]

so what Physical purpose does the pineal gland have in waking life?

none why because this world is intangible my friend, i agree with nietzsche that "our bodies have more wisdom than even our deepest 'philosophy'". but i dont agree that our minds dont have traits of their own despite the body??

[guitaoist]

true astrology is not fortune telling but present telling

[HybridD91]

@guitaoist Oh great, now there's "true astrology". Any thing aids the prediction something ahead of time deals with the future, so present telling?

[reedo1703]

@takenflame

[neconda2nd]

Too bad there's no such thing, I'm still here.

[neconda2nd]

Hmm. If this is true, then I'd rather be with Satan because God sounds like a douchebag.

[beancube2008]

Once precepts and behaviors are being textual-ized, it has a potential of becoming our next religious believes. Real things would never take a chance to be good. Life must be real. Good is an abstraction of our intelligence but we shouldn't avoid reality for just the goodness sake as religion, we need to have many forms of understanding of the reality with respect. Also we don't need to treat material as god as in most religions.

[adevezar]

God is to play alone (all-one), not play with the same kids forever because your momma don'let do that once.

[atomicmatt3]

Gargle blargle blah blagh blargh.

That is what you sound like. Gibberish.

[xXToYeDXx]

TheRedWingsFanBoy

I don't know, cause they're not Christians.

[TheProf1988]

actually i am a skeptical irreligous agnostic atheist, a material empirical rationalist with no belief in supernatural at all.

a merely point out that the god of the bible is synonymous with the modern day concept of the devil. (which has of course changed over time, just like christianity.) both have been translated, altered, embellished and deliberatly fabricated to pursue control of the masses.

'god is for the little people, people like you and me' as Pat Condell says

[XxZaitenxX]

Well I dunno if they twisted this but it does say good will be considered evil and evil will be considered good. So what would be the modern day concept of the devil then? I thought it was all about being charismatic and wooing over the masses, then God comes back to kill us all despite Muslim beliefs that the twelfth Imam is going to return with Jesus Christ to bring peace, justice, and order, someone is wrong here. Or both if it never happens, my question is are both religions corrupted?

[TheProf1988]

'leads to the Satanic realm'

whats wrong with that? all the satans and devils are old gods whom the christians dishonestly distorted into evil gods.

satan is infinitely more moral that god

god lied, the snake told the truth

vote for snake!

[therrydicule]

Are you try to scare the shit out of people?

First: the Archbishop of Sydney, George Cardinal Pell, the Very Reverend Nicholas Bury,Sir Jonathan Sacks,John Granger and the Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger all said it is good book in "spiritual".

Second: Satan can't oppressed my since I think he do not exist "that way". The devil is only a metaphoric way to see what could happen with a strong delusion into life, value, love and everything. Satan is only poetry.

[therrydicule]

Astrology is occult.. Well yes, but it is not forbidden and neither dangerous. Look in the journal paper, does it's forbiden to read it? Well as long you take it for what it is it is not dangerous ; It's a game.

Does play monopoly or super mario bross is dangerous? Because it is as stupid, an frankly I prefer mario bross.

The problem is when people take this for realities of what gone to happen... But, you do the same with satan.

[TheRedWingsFanboy]

Why is it all of the people on this show look like hillbillies, hobos, crackheads, or poor people?

[Kullg4r]

Why are all these videos so badly out of synch with the audio?

[Krupkil1er]

@Kullg4r Because you touch yourself at night.

[JoeyMarvelous07]

Whoa, Russel with hair, crazy.

[Kurce12345]

*QUOTE*

Behe even says ID is as scientific as astrology.

*UNQUOTE*

Behe is an outcast of the scientific community, if I'm not mistaken. He makes outrageous claims that are constantly disproven by his peers and insists that his theories are correct despite the fact that the entire scientific community shows proof that his theories are wrong.

[thenollie3]

Astrology is closer to science than Intelligent Design

lololololoololololololol there both crap just being closer does not mean it is

[guitaoist]

says what?

[TheBigGameHunter1]

Behe even says ID is as scientific as astrology.

[TuesdayPillow]

Good astrologers know - they KNOW - that you cannot predict exact events. They can look at the planetary placements in relation to other factors and say that the conditions are right for certain events.

[MudakPizdobol]

What do "bad" astrologers do? Avoid making testable claims so that it can never be known that astrology is bullshit?

If you think that avoiding putting theories to a test is an example of doing "good", and testing theories is "bad", you need to completely flip your worldview upside down.

[TuesdayPillow]

Astrology is primarily used for other purposes. Horary astrology, or the astrology of prediction, is not very well respected in astrological circles because so many people try to make exact event predictions that are impossible to make. They try to scam people with their predictions, as well.

Your last paragraph assumes something far flung - I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion at all. Spend less time insulting others and more time understanding them.

[MudakPizdobol]

I'm not insulting you, I'm insulting astrology. What are these "other purposes" you speak of? As far as I can tell, you are still merely saying that putting astrology to a testable experiment is somehow wrong. The only reason I can think of is that it would easily demonstrate how flawed and unsupported and utterly wrong astrology is.

Perhaps you should read the history of astrology and what it is actually based on. There is absolutely nothing worthy in all of astrology. Prove me wrong.

[TuesdayPillow]

I have been studying astrology - and its background and history - for over 15 years.

[MudakPizdobol]

Congratulations, you've wasted 15 years of your life :)

[TuesdayPillow]

Wow, you really do have personal issues. And they say Christians aren't tolerant or open-minded!

[MudakPizdobol]

What personal issues? You think someone has to have personal issues to see through the bullshit of astrology?

I'm very open minded, but the openness of my mind is proportional to the amount of evidence. There is something reprehensible about having such an "open mind", like yours, that you buy into psuedo-science and utter myth like astrology.

[Timbul53525253]

So?

[hardhittn63]

just how they effect human behavior or something?