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  • I feel like the Transformers films would've been a lot better if they were shot like a really like OVA, or even as a more expanded trilogy. I'm not huge on Transformers, but I just feel like there were too many characters and too many little details to cram into three two-hour-something films.

  • is it weird to say that i cried a bit when optimus died

  • I don't hate Skidds and Mudflap because they're racist, I hate them because they're idiots, and they hog screentime away from other far more interesting transformers like Sideswipe. Also I don't really dislike the aesthetic, except for what they did to Arcee, that was the worst design ever.

  • when where there robot farts?

  • 1) I am a fan of the movies; 2) Yes, I agree that some extra 5-second scenes or 1 extra line of dialoge would help clear up the movie a bit; 3) I think that movie Optimus Prime was just a bit to grizzly; 4) I would have liked more IronHide and SideSwipe action; 5) I don't like how SideWays was portrayed; and 6) the reason there wasn't more Devastator was because he is expensive as hell to animate, that's also the reason he was almost never shown in full, only close-ups of different parts

  • hey dispite all the things good and bad about the movie we do have transformers 3 to hope on

  • Yea, the whole thing the critics are nitpicking about... they're not important. What's wrong with the film is the bias towards the Autobots. I felt like I was watching a Decepticon Hunting Season, those guys didn't stand a chance, except for maybe in the Forest Battle and that ruins it for me since I like to see fights when you can't tell who's gonna win. An autobot or two should have gotten killed, and not like how Prime was. But then again this movie was just promoting cars and toys.

  • Indeed, and the more I thought about the film after seeing it, the more I felt sorry for like 99% of the Decepticons. XD I mean hey that's kinda cool with the whole "heroes aren't as heroic as they act" style of plot, but I have a feeling that wasn't intended, hehe.

  • Yea it was pretty fun to watch but hey I heard the movie was finished just a few hours before the premiere and dang that's not a lotta time to think things over. :O Hope they don't do the same for the 3rd movie, it's already announced the release date!

  • @CrazyCricketSteve I'm really looking forward to the 3rd one....I have the feeling that the 3rd will be the best out of all 3

  • Well jetfire died as well

    and hte 3rd movie will have new writters so.....

  • new writers=hope

  • I take you words for this movie.

    I think the movie is far from the stinker everyone says it is, they only complain about the humor and I agree that it shouldn't have gone up to that level.

    Every other flaws that isn't the humor I can deal with.

    We can only hope the third movie will make up for all the complaints, the question is if anyone is gonna see it.

  • i loved the balls it was funny :D

  • The robot genitalia may have only been on screen a short time but its cinematic legacy will live on forever. Bay is a hack.

  • @Silverdeck3000 only because people paid more attention to it than it deserved. If people treated it as it deserved, as Vangey does, it wouldn't.

  • i liked the underwear. why do germans have to be nazi? i thought it was just a german accent.

  • wheelie and skids were spongebob in disguise!!!

  • you are handsome.

  • ok, I actually watched the movie again (torrent), and here are my opinions:

    yes, the robot farts, balls and humping are still major negatives for the movie, especially since they rob their respective scenes of any gravitas. This holds true for all the Jetfire scenes: instead of appearing a noble, wizened warrior, still standing despite his advanced years, he comes off as a smelly old timer with one foot in the grave, a catankerous old codger caricature.

    (cont'd)

  • Although they let Ironhide keep some of his character, the same cannot be said of the other Autobots. Ratchet is reduced to one line, Bee has devolved, the rest are pretty window dressing (Sideswipe, Jolt, the Arcee triplets), or ugly racial stereotypes. Yes, those _are_ ears. Whatever their purpose on the bot, they serve as visual reference for ears. I personally don't find the twins too offensive as a racial stereotype, but that is what they are.

    (cont'd)

  • in G1 jetfire/skyfire was the most generous and nicest bot, and that was very very weird concidering he was a decepticon, and you can see alot of those mistakes in old series : things aren't well thought through, but in the movie they did pull of his character.

    the scenes you find negative in the were great and maybe you're just a dumbass because old grumpy people fart alot so that didn't feel out of place at all.

    if there's one bot you COULD complain about it's optimus : because :

  • he isn't the noble bot who doesn't really want to fight, and only fights when it's neccesary just like in armada, and again they didn't really think that through in G1 because in that series megatron and optimus aren't that different in my opinion because optimus just shoots and isn't like, OMG what happened here, but more like : oooo wheeljacks inventions have broken down.

  • i saw u at the botcon

  • Sorry about the mc p. thing I really am I take back what I commented. I'm glad you think there's no racism between them (Mudflap & Skids).

  • sorry to rant but i often do... <a contradictory statement perhaps...

    Michael bay resume=good action movie director

    Kruger, orci and Kurtzman=novices of the Sci-Fi writing genre

    i'm sure there will be uproar due my frequent brackets and ellipsises <and spelling mistakes...

    [Random+Ninja=Randominja]

    [Zainy child+japanese heritage=rather strange screen name and comments]

  • ...or "yipee, more money for our favourite manufacturer of pretty shiny things."

    ...also the writers suck... or [in a more intelligible way] they're not very talented writers.

    I think Michael Bay was a great choice to do transformers with their writing [not that I'm saying the writers haven't come up with anything good but that they can't make a solid story-but not everyone can be a writing legend]... Michael Bay is an action movie director so that's what I expect, especially from his resume...

  • i haven't actually seen the movie [so perhaps my opinion will be more than a bit retarded...] but has anyone thought about how much money hasbro is making from this movie? as transformers fans shouldn't we all unite and yell "hell, yes hasbro will have enough money to stave off the effects of the economic crisis and provide us with fantastic new toys and not have to charge us more and more to help keep profit margins level."

  • I'll respond to some of the statements

    2.33 - well, can a tiny fraction of cyanide ruin the entire dish for you?

    Ex-agent Simmons was AWESOME.

    14.31 - Very yes to the whole "wasted" part

    19.32 - Agreed again.

    Megatron - he actually CONSTANTLY USES HIS GUN. Unlike first movie.

  • It wasn't cyanide so much as a sprig of trash coleslaw. XD

  • 60 seconds of robot balls, farts, and humping out of the whole 2 and a half hour movie equals a bad movie? lol. really?

  • This is the best review of the film I've seen. I'm really tired of people complaining about it.

    I know its not the best film and it could have been better and the plot failed in a lot of ways.

    But, with Transformers, I guess I accept it more because I know, deep down, that Transformers is just kinda stupid.

    Not bad stupid, but 'I can't really take this all that seriously' Stupid

    Remember Kiss Players, Rhinox having gas?

    Yeah.

  • This is probably the most comprehensive review I have seen, heard, or read of the movie so far. Great ponts! I, myself, was not expecting a fantastic plot, and I knew that in satisfying the fans, the movie was going to be all over the place and have many different paces. I was ok with all that. I felt the movie was rushed and I kinda wish that Bay made us wait an extra year to get out a better product. Either way, I was satisfied with the movie.

  • megatron talking to the fallen felt like vader and the emperor, i even said to myself "release your anger"

  • Thank you for mentioning the tie-in fiction. As a colorist on all the movie fiction that's been out so far, it kinda bites that it feels overlooked- especially since it does explain a few things in the movie(I agree that it's co-dependence on tie-in fiction is a fault that the movie had). Extremely rational and intelligent perspective on the movie; I felt like this was genuinely a review from a real Transformers fan, and not by some shouting idiot(be it for or against the movie).

  • Hey- I've got nothing but appreciation for all of you guys that worked on that stuff. :D

    Many thanks for the comments, what you say you got from the review is basically what I hoped to provide.

  • @Vange1us It was a 26 second fight by my count, and as you described it as a "Fist Fight between Jet Prime and Robotic Satan himself"I do find that pretty sad.

  • Also when you said that you and your pals made the joke that once Optimus was revived BoneCrusher fled and was never heard from again, my thought was once Bone Crusher saw that Optimus was resurrected he was like:"F*** this I'm out, I refuse to get decapitated twice." Before he transforms into vehicle mode and drives off.

  • "Punk ass decepticon.." i lol'd when prime said that

  • Ironhide said that. I watched a few times

  • actually Ironhide said that..not prime

  • I have to agree with 98.9% of what you have said here.... which is odd, since I usually side with the sub titles! That being said, I enjoyed the movie immensely, and would like to hear a bit more of what you thought personally of it on a whole, rather than the nit picked parts. And your point on the "humor" is freaking spot on. lets not ridicule a movie for 60 seconds, eh? lol

  • speaking of Skids and Mudflap and the gangsta speak, anybody else notice that both of them were essentially the same character that Tom Kenny played in Mission Hill? Y'know, the guy with the baggy pants and the saggy hat. "HE IS IN THERE SPANKIN' IT! HE IS INDECENT!" That guy.

  • See Optimus get revived

    *Advice Bonecrusher*

    Fucking Disappear

    This needs to be made

  • spot on review. I went with some friends who really aren't into transformers and they liked it a lot so I think it may be more a question of how is your threshold for a Bay film.

  • This was a very intreging and informative vid, and I agree with most of your points, Vange1us. You should send this to Michael Bay, hopefully this video would get him to star using that thing in his head called a brain and start working better on story, character buildup, and rapping it all up so everyone knows what's going on!

  • I do agree with you on most points, Vange1us. Some things that were blown out to be movie-destroying plot devices I ended up actually laughing at. And holy hell there was so much ass-kicking going on, most of the time I could only grin like a fool.

  • the whole thing about the big three issues (Devballs, humping dogs/leg, racism) is that they were glaring. It's like watching a well crafted love scene suddenly punctuated by a 2 second goatse shot. The horrifying image gets burned into your psyche a lot longer. In fact a lot of memes function on this very basic principle.

    As to the rest of your points, my intarwebz is too slow. I'll wait for it to load and comment again.

  • Vangelus, you are the best. If there was an American Idol (or in your case, Canadian Idol) for Transformers fans I would definitely vote for you. You Sir, rock.

  • OMG! This was the most intelligent & enjoyable review of ROTF I've heard! Vangelus I respect you so much and agree with you in your review! Thanks for being so unbiased about this movie :)

  • murder prime....classic

  • what about the english soldier with the one liners he was pointless n a bit annoying

  • Didn't I hear Bay say he actually liked him and gave him an expanded role? I guess one line was his big scene. Yipes.

  • Thank you, Vangelus, for being so relentlessly even-handed, sensibly analytical and articulate. it makes it impossible to disagree with you, even if I wanted to, and I don't, because you are dead right in pretty much everything you said.

  • Great review Vangelus. I pretty much see where your coming from about ROTF, Also I agree with your take on the twins.

  • you say all the things i cant seem to put in words,

    also im not caught up on all the prequel comics so id really like to know the deal with the constructicons if its not too much of a hassle

  • FINALLY : the best review of Transformers - R.O.T.F. PERIOD !!!! I can agree with cha Vangelus 110% , monster awesome review V.

  • I find this to be the best mostly positive review of the film. Its not hyperbolic (though having engaged in many-a hyperbolic rant about the movie, I have to say it is quite cathartic), yet wasn't gushing with praise, ignoring any and all flaws. Good job. I agree with your aside at the begining that perhapse it is time to move on if you hate the movie. I know I will. (I didn't care for this movie at all, and am what you describe as a casual fan.)

  • positives are:

    Action scenes were much easier to follow.

    kinda liked Wheelie, leg humping aside.

    Jetfire provided many silly lines, that you could laugh at.

  • my cons would be:

    too much Sam, too much human to expound on that.

    I didn't care for the twins. I know why they were there, for the kiddie market, but i think the were pretty over the top.

    Optimus' last stand and subsequent death scene were robbed of any emotional impact since we just saw Megs come back from the dead not 10 minutes before hand.

    etc etc I could get into Michael Bay hack and slash bashing, but I won't

  • That was a pretty balanced and well tempered review. quite the breath of fresh air between "ZOMG THAT MOVIE WAS SO GREAT DID JOO SEE DA EXPLOSIONS DURRHURRHURR" and "ZOMG THAT MOVIE WAS SO BAD YOU'RE RAEPING MY CHILDHOOD"

    While I did not enjoy the movie, I will admit that it was not the antichrist that some people are making it out to be.

  • Vagelus thanks for posting a vlog of your feedback on teh film.I appreciate it.

    Personaly I had a few things I want to knick pick.Such as... when prime brought down Demolisher and Demolisher warned of The Fallens coming.Prime just shot his face.... That is so not prime.Prime would have brought him to justice.Also the robot horniness.What does a bot know about getting some?Plus the cussing too much for my taste.

  • Another thing.The Twins Skids and Mudflap I lubbed them.They were awesome.I mean the point to being a transformer is blending in Robots in disquise.Such as implied in the first film they Transformers learned all languages from the World Wide Web.The Twins just disquised their persona's.

    Thanks again Vangelus!

  • i think it is a bad movie, but i had fun watching it.

  • i hope they add superion in the next movie

  • =D yeah!

  • I find it surprising that of all the reviews people have done of this movie, no one has mentioned one of my admittedly very minor and nitpicky complaints; there's actually very few scenes with robots transforming! You see maybe one or two transformation scenes, depending on the 'bot, and a lot of them you never see transform at all. The Twins for example. All transformations are off screen. The Constructicons, outside of Devastator too. I, personally, thought that was kinda stupid.

  • I have a question. I've pretty much been following the leaked info on the movie too, and saw the tank mode for Megatron. In yet, I was unaware that it could...Ya' know...Fly. So when he kind of hopped on top of a building and transformed, I was like "...Who threw the freagin' tank?" Seeing as how there wasn't a lot of visible jet exhaust. Were you a little weirded out by that at first? It literally looked to me as if someone pitched him on to the building.

  • Riiiiiiight before I saw the film, I found out Megatron's supposed to be triple-changer-ish in ROTF, so it didn't weird me out too much.

    I love the visual of "someone pitched him on to the building" though, haha  XD

  • but when he flew he was never really in his plane mode? Wasn't he only in plane mode once?

  • i saw you and Sean at bot-con.

  • the 2-dimensional marbel bot was called "Reedman, in the credits and was voiced by Frank Welker

  • Vangie, I want YOU.

    To direct the next movie.

  • The movie was grate, but i would have liked to see a little bit of BG on some of the characters. Like rachet, were was he all this time? just a little more to let people know whats bin going on sense Megs death. Um a little more development in the new guys. Devistator would have bin nice to be a freaking selling point. But all in all it was a good popcorn flick, which is what it was meant to be. And with prime being so badass, it could be a Shattered glass version of him 4 the 3rd movie.

  • i cant say it was a bad movie. I agree with you on mostly everything, i still don't understand people saying WHAT IS HAPPENING? WHO IS WHO? Some review were talking about the rooftop scene where megatron beat starscream with is arm, and they were like "Who is starscream? who is megatron?" GOD its not that hard to see!

    about the devastators balls, people think he really have "balls", but its a silly human interpretation that we're use to in the TF movie

    But i miss old soundwave voice... =/

  • wow i really liked your review best iv seen this movie was really good and i understand almost every thing you said

  • I agree with you 100% on nearly every point.

  • You're very right, Vangelus. People are makin' such a big deal about the balls and humping jokes when they were in there for just seconds. And you're right about Skids and Mudflap. Wannabe gangsters are cool, and not racist in any way.

  • Vangelus must be stopped...No matter the cost (LOL)

  • *mallcop

  • its because critics use reverse psychology to get u to see movies ,if rotf=bad then see for ur self, if malcop= good, say no its not but ill take ur word for it and not see it

  • I loved the Alliance comic, very interesting.

  • I still don't get why the bots created by the all spark whenever its near some electrical appliance will turn out to be bad. That just don't make sense to me. I still prefer the original devastator to the new one. He looks like donkey kong. Seriously!

  • Remember all human tech was reverse engineered from Megatron in the first movie so they are inherently evil.

  • I always thought they were nuetral and being newborn they were spontaneous, similar to newborn snakes who can't control the amount of venom they inject. But yeah what you mentioned makes sense too.

  • I believe it was cleared up at a Q&A that 'feral' Transformers are basically little wild pack animals that want to beat up things.

  • I didn't like the first movie, so i didn't bother with the 2nd one.

    The humans were unnecessary and because of the extreme closeups i couldn't really see what was going on^^

    I don't say the movies are bad, but it's not my cup of tea.

  • Loved the Review Vangelus, you're right, the ending defiantly needed more closure, I especially want to know what happened to Mudflap and Skids after their tango with Devastator.

    All in all, I didn't think it was terrible, I found it quite fun, though I really didn't think the 60 seconds of the Humping/PINGAS jokes needed to be in it, but like you said, it's not worth bitching about.

  • You pretty much crawled into my brain again!

  • I like it in here! D:

  • Great, concise and fair review. Nice to see some insight into the movie instead of endless gushing about how "badass" Optimus Prime or how awful the Twins were.

    To add my own thoughts, I think the focusing on moments like Devastator's balls, Jetfire farting etc don't alone ruin the movie, they just stand out as prominent examples of the quite brainless and crude humour the movie dished out every 30 seconds. That's probably why they get so much attention.

  • According to the Beast Wars series, primitive Earth was raped with energon. What would be cool for a third movie would be if Beast Wars Megatron took one more visit to planet earth to see how the planet has changed since his unexpected visit to the past and find Decepticon Megs and inform him of the overwhelming hidden energon supply. Being the trecharous Starscream, he'd overhear the Megs' conversation, find the energon, and use that to revive his lab with the stasis pods.

  • I COULD TOTALLY SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING

    Whoops! Sorry bout the caps I dont want to retype that cuz im lazy.

  • I mostly agree with ya, but I still love the Bee. I loved how he was there like the little scrapper he can be. I liked the twins and all the interaction between the Bots.

    Yep, Prime was a badass. But, he was just dead...and probably a tad ticked off.

    ALthough I am a fan, compared to you, and others, I consider myself casual & could follow what was going on and I loved the movie as a whole.

    I mean, it is a summer escape from everyday life popcorn flick and it rocked in that respect.

  • ahahh I cant tell you how much that "high pitched whine at the background of devastator combining" made that scene for me. After I got out of the Paramount footage room my legs were shaking IT WAS AWESOME!!! To bad it had absolutely no story to back it up.... >:(

  • I think it's one of those things, Micheal Bay just thought all the Transformer Fan would already know.

  • I have a feeling I'm going to be adding clarification annotations to this for a while, haha XD

  • as a casual fan I still want to watch the movie for myself.

  • Yeah,fan's would get better mileage from this movie besides people who just want to see a roboticized version of a monster movie.I see this movie as a remake of the G1 movie.

    Sam as Rodimus,getting Prime killed and "earning" the Matrix.

    Reviving Megatron and being under the Fallen who wants to destroy the sun destroying the planet like Unicron.

    The Twins are just poser 12 year olds and Id rather see them spouting memes than gangsta(sooo late 90's,man).

  • 18:08 Jolt is robot jesus lol

    and yea i agree that the ending should give honor to the dead autobots like how they honored Jazz in the 1st movie

    and for the decepticon bonecrusher and blackout clone, i do wish that they explained it in the movie, but i do understand why the writers re-used CGI robots from the last film due to money issues.

  • Your thoughts on the film are not all that different from my own. I pretty much walked away from the movie feeling about the same.

    Personally, I think it would have been really cool if it was Jetfire who ended up being the one to take out Devastator. It would have been a better time to bring him back into the story and shown off just how powerful Jetfire still was.

  • I agree, people are taking this movie way too seriously

  • wheelie humping, devastator balls, and the dog humping are basic imature teenage jokes. it was funny but it didnt need to be in there. thats all im sayin

  • Remember people, comic relief is necessary to keep the audience interested. Shakespeare knew this, in fact Shakespeare made potty jokes in Othello, I'm not lying, read the play, it's very slight but observe it well and you'll catch it.

  • i totally get what your sayin, but i was just suggesting that some of the comic relief is just a little too perverted in the movie at some points

  • Quite the spot on review and I can agree with most of it.

    As on the 'clones' bit with the constructicons, just a single scene where you had two of the same bot standing next to each other would have solved it too.

  • very detailed review

  • if you think about it... what he says is his opinion about the movie, it doesnt mean that you have to follow through on what he says.. This is a person who has been following Transformers for a long time.. and if you are too you probably think that its either suppose to go with the story.. or is a whole new concept.

    If it were me i really wish they would have made the story according to the story from Generation 1 transformers.

    but this movie is what i call different. not TF2 but different.

  • Wait a sec... I don't recall Ravage or RatBat ever being shot out of Soundwave's gun?

    hehe

  • I agree with you on your Skids/mudflap/wheelie/jarjar thought. Totally agree with bubblebee. Jetfire was cool and IMO was just enough Badass taking out Mixmaster like he did.

    TOTALLY agree with alice. You watched my review didn't you. jk.

    What fiction do you refer to when your talking about the fallen?

  • as a black person i didnt find the twins any thing but funny with some good oneliners. aslo what are the fiction between the movies?

  • There are both comics and a novel, but the latter one I heard is not really recommendable. Does use characters though we only know from toys.

  • There are several comic series primarily- Reign of Starscream details what Starscream did between both movies after his escape in the first one, Defiance shows some backstory to the Fallen and the movieverse in general, and Alliance is a direct prequel to ROTF. Reign kind of drags, but Defiance/Alliance were generally decent action comics.

  • jolt is ratchets nurse XD

  • So Sam And Mikala go find Jetfire to revive him with a piece of the allspark.

    "Wait couldn't he revive prime with the allspark?"

    Yea, but they have to go find jetfire first.

    "But why?"

    So they can find the matrix to revive... Prime.

    That was my main problem with the movie but also I loved the action and plot was ok.

  • Jetfire was never dead, though, he was in "sleep", i guess. The allspark awakened him. or at least that's what i think:)

  • it wasnt like that, jetfire was in a sort of deep sleep, and if you remember they also had to kill overload to revive megatron. meaning that they would need the all-spark shard and a dead autobot to revive optimus

  • They should have saved Jazz's spark to save Optimus.

  • Oh. People wouldn't have bitched about that plot device.

  • Jetfire was in Stasis Lock, Prime was dead.

  • There are way more cons than pros for this movie. Bay did such a bad job with this film. He said the Fallen was going to be this evil thing like satan, he wasn't. Devastator was to be almost unstoppable, yet he choked on a small autobot. Movie was rushed, to much of Bay's, "oh that will be funny lets just put it in." Hope Bay dosen't make the thrid. I thought Starscream was more like an egor rather than trying to out do Megatron.

  • i felt prime was a little week in the first movie, and didnt portray the almost "regal" quality he has always been regarded. but in ROTF, he truley is a leader. and the reverance and anger showen by ironhide and ratchet in the air force base scene was spot on.

    dont forget, prime saw his actions not of autobot/decepticon, but protecting humanity as a whole.

    and yes, he likked "the fallen" waaaaaaaaay too easy. which was a shame.

  • In which Vangelus tells us he's too hardcore for you.

  • Well except for the Bumblebee thing, he has been with sam for 2 years like Mik, had been, she loves him, and bumblebee loves him 2 like a brother, if your brother just died would you be his side?

  • Even thought you said you wouldn't recommend the movie, I took my dad and younger brother to see it, both of them knowing about TFs, but never watching any. They both liked the movie, but did have mostly the same complaints about it. They didn't like how it jumped around so much, about how Devy wasn't much of a badass he was made out to be, and the final battle with Prime, about how he was a bit violent lol. I loved the movie, but hey, we can't all love it.

  • VERY well put. Nice job, man.

  • i gotta agree with u man

    but i agree 100 percent with patrick

    most of the robots are only toys with no personality

    simmons was awesome in the movie

    and optimus in the forrest was badass

  • I wasn't efected by anything, the movie is Kick asss although I could have done with out Wheelie Humping Mikleas leg, also Mojo humping Frank was hilirious!

  • Hey, I actually thought your review was very fair, good job!

  • Some very good points raised here mate! And yes, Prime was a total badass!

  • soundwave shoot cacets out of his gun XD

  • I too seriously could of made a 15 min fanboi ranting as well. I guess a TV series could of been made for TF ROTF. METAL (COLD) CASE TRANSFORMERS. ROTF had a crapload of awesome lines =).

  • LINES LIKE

    Optimus Prime reveals his true Fetish To The Fallen.. "You picked the wrong planet! Give me your FACE."

    Starscream TO MEgatrom end.. "Not to call you a coward, master, but, sometimes, cowards do survive."

    "You know what my father was? A wheel! The first wheel! And you know what he transformed into? NOTHING! But he did so with honour! Dignity!" - Jetfire wonders where he is =3

    There is a lot more awesome ones out there =)

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  • GIVE ME YOUR SMALL FACE!

  • Hey gee, a TF guy doing a vlog, wow! ... :D

  • so you doing any plastic addicts!?

  • Wrong guy.

  • on no i was talking to tjomega he commented on this video and i replied to him!

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