not that I believe it, but they have assumed that "psychic ability" is genetic, which I have never though was the case in the times I have heard of it
Well- technically speaking the homopathic pills don't do anything at all. But the placebo effect (i.e. making the pacient believe he's taking something which will help him) makes some of them work:). Still prescribing them is bogus and I won't have anything to do with em.
@Hoodinski Wrong. The placebo effect doesn't make some of them work. The placebo effect merely makes you think it work. The underlying disease is not affected in anyway. It may subside on its own due to your natural immune system, taking a water pill had absolutely zero to do with it. This is often misunderstood about the placebo effect and its a misunderstanding the quacks in their desperation are latching onto, like there's some mysterious mind-body healing at work when you take bogus pills.
@youn00ber Wrong- get your facts straight. The placebo effect is a widely recognized by the medical society as a mean of therapy, dear sir. It's all about the state of mind and inciting the immune system to work.
@Hoodinski Nonsense. Which people in ''medical society'' recognize it as a ''means of therapy''. It's not about inciting the immune system to work. The placebo effect does nothing but symptom relief, because the patient fools himself into thinking he or she is better. The underlying disease is not affected in anyway. Check out Science-Based Medicine for more info on this. Two recent articles talk about the misconceptions surrounding the placebo effect.
I found this discussion after searching google for "Why does Dara O'Briain mumble?". I'm glad I'm not the only one who can hardly ever understand a word he's saying. And it's nothing to do with his accent either. He just mumbles so badly. He really needs to work on his enunciation.
@tacticusprime After occupy wall st will be the anti-zionist movement to be popularized by kosher media and lead from the very beginning, by jews.
I wonder what these will be offered as the solution to zionism during their ww3 with muslim nations? could it be zeitgeist communism? gulags are already built.
Jewish babylonians don't give a fuck about the holy land or their ashkenazi lesser brethren, only anti-christian supremacy.
@oveid Im pretty sure i saw your name next to the definition of ignoramus in the dictionary, i would normally argue against someone as delusional as you but as your own arguments manage to cripple themselves with the sheer stupidity than infects them, then i'm almost certain calling you a moron does the job far more efficiently than wasting any breath on you at all.
Television believers need their faith in pharmaceutical representatives so when they die of a preventable disease, they can leave their families the holy bill.
The bottom line here is, homeopathy is affecting the jews drug profits. So out comes the programming to push fear and loathing.
@st00sh13 It's a good thing you have been blessed with such a big google, i mean brain. Homeopathy was termed as such in the sixteenth century, but it has been used for much longer. It developed from 'eastern medicine' and astrology, which are older than history. Homeopathy actually works on the same basic principle as vaccines, but without being invasive.
If science cannot explain how light works, perhaps we should all stop using our eyesight, after all, we shouldn't really use something we cannot understand or explain fully, should we?
Dara O'Briain admits himself that science doesn't know everything. Experiments have been carried out where water has been exposed to WRITTEN WORDS, then frozen and photographed. If the words are negative, the crystals formed are amorphous, shapeless and ugly. If the words are positive, the crystals formed are regular and beautiful. Who would have thought that such a thing could be possible? Perhaps water exposed to a grain of a substance can be permanently altered. I've tried homeopathy and
I had positive results. It wasn't for something as serious as malaria, just an allergy but I certainly experienced a reaction and my condition improved dramatically. Shouldn't someone who bases their thinking on a scientific basis keep a more open mind?
@CalumGilhooly The thing is, for something to be seriously considered by scientists, it has to demonstrate the following: scientific plausibility (mechanism of action), effectiveness, and safety. So, homeopathy has no plausibile mechanism of action. That could be fine if it demonstrated effectiveness since plenty of drugs have been developed where it worked but we didn't work out how until later. But no good study has found effectiveness. So, no mechanism and no effectiveness beyond placebo.
@CalumGilhooly Finally, safety. Homeopathic medicine is safe, mostly, because it doesn't have any active ingredient. Except when it does - the industry is not regulated by the FDA since it doesn't count as real medicine so, as a result, the medicine can be dangerous. Additionally, sellers of homeopathic medicine often discourage conventional medicine usage. People with cancer have died because they refused chemo and took homeopathic medicine. So it is indirectly and directly dangerous.
@CalumGilhooly 1. Can you direct us to the study? Just because you cite a study doesn't mean it's a good study. I mean, I can already tell you that if humans judged how "beautiful" the crystals were, that study is flawed already because beauty isn't an objective, scalar quantity and it's a qualitative stat subject to biases. 2. Can you suggest a plausible mechanism for this? The best physicists in the world have yet to come up with a theory for how quantum mechanics might affect macro-phenomena.
@Gilgamesh417 Yeah, well, OK it wasthat dodgy guy Emoto butyou yourself state that scientists don't fully understand quantum mechanicsand string theory so how can we be sure that placing a minute amount of a substance into another substance, (water), doesn't contiue to affect the water even after massive dilution? We cannot be sure and I suggest more research be done. Google 'recovered from autism-homeopathy' and read that story and then tell mehomeopathy is bunkum. Normal medicine is limited.
@CalumGilhooly Ah, but didn't you see what I wrote? For homeopathy to be seriously considered as a valid medical treatment, it has to demonstrate 1. Plausible scientific medicine and 2. Efficacy. There is no plausible scientific mechanism but if homeopathy were demonstrated to work in placebo controlled, double-blind, clinical studies then it would indicate that we simply haven't discovered the mechanism. There have been many, many studies that I've described indicating that homeopathy is bunk.
@CalumGilhooly So, given limited resources, you're suggesting that we pursue an avenue of research where there is no basic science to support it with a theoretical mechanism and no clinical/epidemiological research to indicate that it is effective? Please do not direct me to websites of testimonials. That's anecdotal data and, if you were science educated, you would know that anecdotal data/case studies are step 1 in a clinical trial and if clinical data shows no effect, anecdotes are junk.
@Gilgamesh417 Well, because of your cynicism, (and quite right you are too), I had a look at a BBC programme about homeopathy, which appears to conclude that it is bunkum. However, within part three of the programme, (watch?v=Qh0phYI3ROs&NR=1), there is a clinical trial by a trained doctor which appeared to show that the treatment for hayfever WAS effective and NOT due to a placebo effect as it was a double blind study. Leaves questions unanswered that science appears not to want to face.
@CalumGilhooly 1. It's skepticism and not cynicism you're hearing. Scientists are, by nature, skeptical as there are many, many extraordinary claims made every day, some made by charlatans (psychics) and some made by legitimate scientists, some of which are even Nobel Laureates (homeopathy). That doesn't mean that it's all true. If scientists were gullible, we'd run around chasing statistical outlier results and then we'd start bending the research data to fit our beliefs.
@CalumGilhooly 2. A clinical trial by a trained doctor doesn't mean anything except that a followup study is necessary. A followup study by a different person - wouldn't be a big surprise if the followup study done by the same person would yield similar results, right? Additionally, the BBC study doesn't really give enough for me to make a judgement. How was the trial designed? Double blind? Single blind? What were the statistical tools used for analysis? What was the sample population like?
@CalumGilhooly Finally, to wrap this up, you have to approach everything you hear with a healthy sense of skepticism. A lot of what you hear is complete bunk - doomsday predictions, miracle cures, psychic powers and the ability predict earthquakes. Those I mentioned are complete garbage. If homeopathy was so effective and great, every scientist in the world would research it because it revolutionizes physics, chemistry and biology/medicine. But they don't because tons of studies show it is bunk.
@CalumGilhooly Yes, if you have a healthy sense of skepticism, you might end up dismissing, at first, good claims that seem farfetched. But those claims, if they are actually good, will elucidate more research, more data and if it is a good claim, it'll pass all of science's rigorous tests (we love to rip each other's research apart) and become part of science textbooks. It's part of critical thinking - ask the obvious questions. The study says positive results but was the study well designed?
@CalumGilhooly Oh yea, be careful not to let skepticism turn into outright cynicism or paranoia. A good example is the death of Osama bin Laden. Yes, it's alright to be skeptical at first. I was until various accounts came in from Pakistani civilians, military and Al Qaeda itself to fit the narrative. The ultra hard details may be sketchy, but that's natural as that is the nature of combat. I took all these accounts and made the correct judgement.
@Gilgamesh417 The correct judgement being that he died or was murdered in 2001 as reported by Benazhir Bhutto. The lies told about bin Laden's death are too obvious. Do you seriously imagine that a nation as stuck on propaganda as the uS is would dump the body of their most hated enemy into the sea and not show pictures of him before and during that operation? Pull the other one it's got bells on!
@Gilgamesh417 PS. Why did you change the subject to bin Laden? Starting to feel a bit uncomfortable about homeopathy? Not quite so certain that we know all that there is to know about the universe? Of course we don't and to dismiss something as rubbish simply because it defies rational explanation is arrogance of the worst sort. I know people who have seen ghost, heard spirit messages and been warned of danger. They all defy rational explanation but they happened.
@CalumGilhooly No, not uncomfortable at all, just making an analogy between disbelieving the rational and logical. Homeopathy is as bunk as can be. I'd be PERFECTLY happy to accept homeopathy if 1. You could demonstrate a plausible scientific mechanism - "water memory" is not a plausible mechanism as, if you know anything about quantum mechanics, it is just not possible and 2. If you could repeatedly demonstrate efficacy.
@CalumGilhooly So far, homeopaths have not demonstrated either so why should I believe them? Extraordinary claims that would violate basic laws of medicine, biology, physics and chemistry requires extraordinary evidence and homeopaths have had decades to attempt to produce that evidence to no avail. The theory of relativity was accepted in less time.
@CalumGilhooly For the Bin Laden thing, two things - 1. If he's not dead, don't you think Al Qaeda would say so? I mean, what a GREAT PR coup and a great way to paint Bin Laden as a messiah figure for Al Qaeda and 2. Why would you want to see a dead body? That's quite morbid and in poor taste, don't you think? Famous people die all the time, you don't ask to see the body of them, do you? Michael Jackson? Amy Winehouse? You want to see their bodies too?
@Gilgamesh417 Did you even read my post? Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just thick? I didn't say he wasn't dead, just that he's been dead for years, no proof to the contrary. I don't want to see dead bodies, saw plenty of them in my time and in no hurry to see more but the Yanks would just LOVE to show off the body of their arch enemy. Maybe they would wrap it in a shroud and only reveal the actual body to certain people but they sure as hell wouldn't lose it overboard.
@CalumGilhooly Did you even read my response? I've told you over and over, homeopaths have to prove 1. plausible mechanism and 2. efficacy. They can prove number 2 without number 1 since then they can start looking for a mechanism. Have they? No. Have they ever? No. How long have they had? Decades. Do you want to shut up now about me not wanting to discuss it? Probably not since you seem to be one of those stupid Brit types.
@Gilgamesh417, and you appear to be one of those arrogant, 'head rammed up his own backside' kind of irritating tit Yanks that gets his country a bad name and makes them one of the most reviled nations on earth. Since even the best scientists in the world admit that they don't know everything, especially at sub atomic levels, quantum levels and things like string theory, why should they be able to explain homeopathy? Why does light sometimes behave like a wave and sometimes like a particle?
@CalumGilhooly It's not that science can't explain it - it's that it doesn't work. There is no evidence that it works any better than a sugar pill. It doesn't work. End of story.
@Gilgamesh417 bin Laden isn't actually famous, more infamous and I saw Michael Jackson's corpse photos, not pretty. People are morbid or hadn't you noticed. The fake death photos posted of bin Laden fooled the same morons that believed the fake Al-CIA-da videos were of him as well.
By the way, still can't quite bring yourself to discuss homeopathy? Feeling a bit backed into a corner?
@CalumGilhooly Also, I actually DON'T want to see the body of our "arch-enemy." And while alot of Americans might want to, alot don't and actually don't want to. Seems like you're stereotyping.
@Gilgamesh417 Point is, the prats like Dubya who appear to run your country WOULD LOVE TO SHOW IT OFF and not doing so would be anathema to them given a real opportunity. Taht they didn't do so speaks volumes about the veracity of their account.
Homeopathy then, so, did the scientific community just completely ignore the positive results of a double blind study or do they have some proof that they failed to present in the Horizon programme proving it worthless?
@CalumGilhooly And there are plenty of people who aren't W and wouldn't like to show off. In fact, the officials that Obama let see the pictures came back saying "Yea, they're pretty gruesome and we shouldn't show them." And as for homeopathy, yea, the scientific community has done plenty of double blind, controlled studies proving no efficacy of homeopathy. Just go to PubMed and search for homoepathy. It's not the scientific community's fault that the Horizon program's fault that they didn't.
@Gilgamesh417 Saw those hilarious photoshopped crappo photos and they would only convince blind people and Americans that their arch enemy was a recent goner and not dead for ten years as is the case. Seems strange that a Glasgow doctor of medecine managed to convince himself, (a total skeptic), that homeopathy was efficacious due to his own experiments but everyone else chooses to ignore the results because 'he couldn't explain them'. That makes tons of sense......NOT!
@CalumGilhooly What's strange is that you keep harping on it but you fail to go to PubMed and search up homeopathy. One positive study only warrants further study by a different researcher and, guess what, dozens if not hundreds of study have filed to find homeopathy as effective. After that, why bother study it more?
@Gilgamesh417, I will do that young fella m'lad, don't you worry your daft wee heid about it. Another reason that I am interested in homeopathy is that a good few years ago,, I suddenly developed terrible allergic reactions to something or other. I went to the doctor and took the prescribed medicine. NOTHING, no help at all. Went to a homeopath as a last resort and was cured very quickly. I was impressed and that is why I still maintain that homeopathy has some merit.
@CalumGilhooly How long AFTER taking the medication did you go the homeopath? Were you still taking the medicine at the same time? Were you still exposed to the allergen at the time? Did you even know what the allergen was? Why didn't ask yourself any of these questions? Man, stupid Brit you are. Can't believe an American is more critical thinking and skeptical than you are.
@Gilgamesh417, Oh-hahahahahahaha, I took medication, (anti-histamine), for a few days and had no result whatsoever. Of course I stopped taking it as it was a waste of effort. I had no idea what the allergens were, (cheese, coffee and chocolate), the homeopath informed me and I immediately curtailed consuming those items, that at least reduced the symptoms, which were still very severe. When I took homeopathic medicine, the symptoms got worse for a couple of days then gradually reduced.
That's really clever, guys -pick on a really easy target like homeopathy. How about having a go at asylum seekers or gypsies or the mentally ill? You could feel even more smug & self-satisfied, if that's possible. It's a pity you two weren't around in the early 70s. You could've made good careers from the racist / homophobic material that was so popular then. When will people see this sort of puerile, schoolboyish drivel for what it is - utter shite.
@WhelkDoctor1 Not exactly the same level of offense really. Insulting homosexuals and ethnic groups is a tad more serious than insulting a pseudoscience such as homeopathy. There's a difference, there's nothing wrong with being a different race, or having different sexual preferences, it doesn't make for funny material either. A bunch of idiots drinking water thinking it has magical properties, and in the process being charged extortionate prices in the process. That IS funny.
Homeopathy is not medicine by the television believers understanding. Homeopathy is more of a lifestyle as much about prevention as treatment. It's not meant for trauma or symptom relief.The common american wants to be able to go on living an unsustainable unhealthy life and have any health problems created 'healed' instantly so they can go back to poisoning themselves. Call attention to their irrational behavior and they kick and scream like a jew hooked up to a polygraph.
I am not defending homeopathists (no I don't know the word for those that practice it, no I am not looking it up for one youtube comment) because it is all crap, but I hate it when people have to be all smug about knowing it's crap. If you're actually intelligent and a secure individual, you don't have to talk down others that believe it works and be all "i'm better than you" because of it.
It's sad when people have to belittle others just to make themselves feel better about their views.
Paddy Farmer!!! I quote from wikipedia: Dara Ó Briain was born in 1972, in Bray, County Wicklow, and attended Coláiste Eoin secondary school, a Gaelcholáiste on Dublin's southside. He attended University College, Dublin (U.C.D.), where he studied mathematics and theoretical physics.
hm, video about Homeopothy and Psychics (both bullsh yes). Comments all pointlessly about Religon... if only i was supprised. For the record i am an atheist but regardless, your not going to change anything ranting over youtube so for gods sake (see what i did there), comment about the video.
you really think i'm here to prove homeopathy (a 1000 year old science ) to you fuckwads? @flyingzom212 it's only in white countries that anyone gets health insurance and that's fast becoming a thing of the past thanks to our jew misfortune.
why are there arguments about homeopathy in here? an argument about the efficacy of ANY treatment should last about 30 seconds and end when someone links to a study conclusively proving or disproving the treatment. And don't tell me none exist for homeopathy, it's been around for over 200 years for christ's sake
@serpentofeden I've always believed that people should be free to decide for themselves what to believe in. There is no money in cureing disease only in selling drugs. this is the begining of homoeopathic cures going the way of naturopathic and chinese herbal remedies (BANNED IN CANADA) thanks to sheep like you who think cancer causing radiation and mustard gas(chemo) are scientifical 'miracles'
Homeopaths have been cureing disease for 1000 years But you'd rather take the advice of people who gave lobotomies, electro-shock and mercury enemas for centuries before realising Hey maybe were doing more harm than good here.
@oveid I'd rather trust the people who actually care about whether a treament works before offering it to people. Homeopathy not only fails to pass any double-blinded, placebo-controlled trials, but also has zero scientific plausability. Please provide evidence of "The Law of Opposites" and "The Law of Infinitesimals" before we even consider your pseudo-science, and after you do that may I be the first to congratulate you on your multiple Nobel Prizes. N.B. Rant cut short due to character limit.
@Serpent0fEden What the hell are those laws? Being a well-educated homeopath I've never heard of them. Guess you made them up. You win all your Nobel prizes for pseudoscience. Try finding an appropriate kind of research to demonstrate homeopathy's amazing healing potential, and we'll add you to the Laureates that have already done so. (3 of them as a matter of fact)
@Euclidianify So you're a "well-educated" homeopath who doesn't know the fundamentals of homeopathy, either that or you're lying because you know how backwards they are. Also are you saying that you can't think of "an appropriate kind of research to demonstrate" that homeopathy works? How about a double-blinded, placebo-controlled test, with a large sample size? Or is that unfair because it shows that homeopathy doesn't work?
@Serpent0fEden Ok Serp. Here's lesson #3: Homeopathy works when a remedy is INDIVIDUALLY chosen for a patient. Thats where the law of similar applies. So large sample size studies, while some have actually worked out, don't accurately represent how it best works when the symptom totality matches the patients in a precisely similar way. Lying: LOL! And i didn't say I couldn't think of an appropriate study, I asked you to find one. But you needed more lessons obviously.
@Euclidianify Individualised medicines can still be tested using large sample sizes. By the way I don't see how a lack of studies supports your position, it does quite the opposite. Also does this mean you're opposed to the homeopathy in, for example, Boots which isn't individualised at all? There is still no plausability for the "Law of Similars".
@Serpent0fEden You have some barrier to understanding homeopathy. Probably your dogmatism. No I actually don't think these "Boots" remedies do much. They seem to act for a short time at times. But no, its not applying the original principle. No plausibility for the LOS's?! Why not? If you make someone hot when they have a fever then it's apt to break. There's 1000s of examples of how pharmaceutical's action works by the LOSs in the absence of pharm-kinetic explanations. Works apart from homrem's
@Euclidianify So if I disagree with you it must be because I'm dogmatic, not because there's no evidence for any of your claims? What if you treat someone with hayfever with garlic (as both make your eyes water)? That doesn't make sense.. (or work). Sure some things may work, but not because of this "law", until you test and prove that homeopathy works there's no reason to assume that it does.
@Serpent0fEden Your disagreement comes from this unwillingness to entertain any other possibility that your scientism dictates to you (and everyone else) and so your grasp of concepts and ability to "listen" falls short. You don't get the names of things right, you don't have a basic understanding of homeopathy, and its not your snaky agenda. Garlic has never made my eyes water. Onions have. With material doses there's some effect, but potentized doses are what gives it more action.
@Euclidianify My "scientism"? Don't mistake my unwillingness to accept unproven things for the inability to listen. I have been wrong, and where I have noticed I have corrected myself; writing garlic when I meant to write onion is hardly a big faux pas. By "potentized" do you mean without any active ingredient? If so does that make my tap water a cure for almost everything as at some point it would have come in contact with something that caused similar symptoms? Any luck with these studies?
@Serpent0fEden See: again you resort to rhetorical blab. You just pretend ignorance for your cause. You know the dilution/succession process. You know there have been solid studies done by Nobel prize winners showing the biological action of high dilutions sequentially made and shaken. Now there's Indian researchers that are very different structures related to the original substance in remedies, through nanotechnology. And, if you had first hand experience you'd be convinced of the efficacy.
@Euclidianify Because "scientism" and calling me dogmatic aren't rhetorical blab? I do not know of the studies you mentioned, perhaps if you could provide a link? First-hand experiences are exactly what science has learned it cannot rely on, instead for more reliable data we need to stand back and not fall into placebos etc.
@Serpent0fEden Ah wow- sorry to randomly comment, but that's an amazing thought! I love that idea: the devil- prince of darkness and personification of irredeemable evil- now addicted to the internet and spends all his time trolling youtube and starting pointless arguements instead of causing the apocalypse and getting on with other evil schemes he's supposed to do... maybe that's why Campbell's Rapture didn't arrive on time. O.k- sorry for that :-( carry on ...
@oveid Homeopathy was invented by Samuel Hahnemann in 1796. That's 205 years, to be precise (not 1000s). A simple google search would tell you that. It was shown to not work then and it is being shown, repeatedly, that it doesn't work now.
homoeopathy is not for people who remain ignorant of the jew. you have to abandon your programing first. remedies are matched to individuals symptoms and many interactions are to be avoided if you want to see results.
not that no-one shouldn't skeptical of psychics of course. it's only when it's obvious someone hasn't looked into the subject or is too quick to dismiss it that i'd be inclined to call them out on it.
as far psychics go, let's just say that i'm skeptical of skeptics on the subject, but never make the mistake in thinking that human beings are as evolved as they can be, coz they ain't.
Evolution has no target. It is not an intelligently directed process, you know that right?
Imagine a new ice-age.
If we didn't have our technology, that is if we were still hunter/gatherers it is entirely possible that evolutionary pressure would have reduced our brain-size in favour of thick skin and regaining a thick hairy coat.
I guess you could say more evolved means more generations of an species line, in which case bacteria are way more evolved than us.
@gotohell114 natural selection is not a random process and richard dawkins has said that. he also wonders if our brains will get bigger given that a plentiful amount smart people in our world usually don't produce the most children so yeah i know. but surely at this stage the human race can take evolution upon itself given that we're talking about advancing our genes at some stage. i guess i meant 'evolved' in a more idealistic way (contd...)
@gotohell114 ...given that if everyone wanted to everything about anything it would be best for all. evolution in thinking, advancement and so on. here's a thing i found intersting. look at the first two results after googling: 'skeptical of skepticism'. there is a skeptical approach to life but it is not the only side to everyone. there is an experiencial side to everyone as well, the side that values 'irrational' experience because it is profound to each individual.
yeah: ''if everyone wanted know about everything...'' just for anyone who's wonderin which because the correction wasn't put after the sentence i wanted in the list. damn youtube.
as likeable as i find dara o'briain, when it comes to some subjects there's a tendency to be oversimplistic. for instance,the benefit of having homeopathy shops is they usually have a wide variety of genuinely healthy vitamins, aromatic stress relievers, food supplements, omega3 fish oils and the like that do have mesurable and testable benefits.
@gotohell114 why don't you look into it? some of the stuff is built on sand but aromatherapy isn't total bull. ask any asthmatic. the shops stand on their own feet because they do actually sell some stuff that is benefitial. you're merely assuming you're right. find out for sure. it's not all black and white. life is made up of different shades of grey.
@gotohell114 sorry yeah. there is a lot of mix-up between homeopathy and herbal remedies but i have come across vets who are into it. i guess i have no interest in homeopathy as it turns out. still i liked that debate. as far the 19th century epidemic of cholera is concerned, herbal medicine and homeopathy were probably mixed up then as well.
@gotohell114 the existence of god is another debate but i don't think it's a sky daddy people like Francis Collins believe in. It's probably not the best representation of what is believed. i've taken a step back on religion in the past years because my brother became a baptist evangelical and there was a lot that put me off. he told me i was just picking and choosing stuff but i honestly didn't feel that some kind of decision had to be made.course i'd pick and choose-it's the bible. lol.
one more thing to add. i thought it was brilliant what you said about being in the same book if not on the same page. recently i wrote a poem about these kind of things which included the line: ''if we're all on the same page then there is no space to read...''
@gotohell114 Just because you have not found faith yet does not mean you should be disrespectfull to others. Even if you where a humanitarian then you should at least be polite.
@gotohell114 Christianity and in fact many religions preach peace and tolerance, of course there are nutters in the middle east trying to blow themselves up but that is always going to happen. So to call that the 'religous responce' is just plain absurd. The fact that you forget to notice is that Christianity is steeped in history, over 2000 years of worship and scholarly research by monks has led to the religion you see today, it isn't just plucked out of thin air as you suggest it might be.
Ah yes the "scholarly reasearch" that gives us the genesis account of how everything came to be.
+"The Flood".
Lets not forget about the erudite bibical scholars that gave us the story of an exodus of a few million jewish slaves from egypt when the entire population would have been barely 3 times that.
Or the "scholarly" belief of 40-50% of americans today that the bible is literally true in every detail, even when it contradicts itself.
@gotohell114 True, but i still feel there's a place for religion in modern society, i'm not religious myself but the whole rest of my family is, and i can see that religion has made them far better people than they could've been without it, religion is a scapegoat not a cause, morons would be morons with or without it.
We can treat all humans as adults and show them the truth as best we can currently determine it.
We then deal with the actions taken by thinking adults.
Or we can assume we are all children and that we need some elite group (of .. who? Politicians, scientists?) to determine what it is safe for us to know.
Not only that, but they SHOULD lie to us to ensure we do as "they" have decided is best for us.
The second option sounds an awful lot like religion.
@gotohell114 Only religion as most people seem to perceive it, my personal experiences of modern day religion, is that the whole" you will live this way and refrain from all these things" is becoming a little antiquated. Religion is a private belief, which no-one else can share in quite the same way, and with that comes the freedom of the individual. But i accept that a lot of the exeriences people will have had of religion will be to the contrary.
@gotohell114 There'some truth to what you say,but if i was someone on my way home and had to walk through a dark alley, i would much rather a christian than the vast variety of non-chistians walking towards me from the other end. Christianity and various other religions are often used as scape-goats for a huge variety of things, but more often than not in, at least, my experience it takes an already damaged mind to exploit relgious teaching, not religious teaching itself.
On the other hand, The Force was a good thing too, and see what Darth Vader did. Seems like all good intentions go tits up the moment humans get involved. Good thing this is all fictional.
@gotohell114 just found out you have a homeopathy debate on your channel. good on you. i'm only referring only to the shops. there's not many homeopathy hospitals in my area. still, always prepare to be surprised.
It's nice to think that they're all friends. I can't be the only one who hopes that somewhere there's a big house where everyone who's ever been on, say, QI goes and hangs out for a couple of weeks....
I'm actually watching this while drinking a homeopathic double vodka (a.k.a. filtered tap water in a cup that was used during a Christmas party three years ago)
Suffered from insomnia recently. Dropped an absolute fortune in local health food store buying vials/tubes/bottles that I thought contained active ingredients. Got them home 'HOMEOPATHIC REMEDY' the labels read. Nooooooo! Yeah I could neck some expensive water but it won't help. If anything it'll worsen my insomnia as I'll be kept awake by fury at how idiots can manufacture and sell this stuff.
@pennydesouza hehe I suffered many years, due to stress. Only when I stopped caring about the thing that was stressing me could I finally sleep. Ignorance is bliss.
I'm amazed that these two men could even be in the same room without the whole universe like exploding due to the divine funniness that they both have combined.
I do like Dara O'Briain but I miss a lot of what he is saying because his accent is so strong. I wanted to go see him live but my wife can't understand a word he says so we had to skip it. Literally she can't get one word.
"Homeopathy & Psychics"?! I thought it said "Homophobia & Psychics"
Neonman78 6 days ago
not that I believe it, but they have assumed that "psychic ability" is genetic, which I have never though was the case in the times I have heard of it
Omni315 1 week ago
Well- technically speaking the homopathic pills don't do anything at all. But the placebo effect (i.e. making the pacient believe he's taking something which will help him) makes some of them work:). Still prescribing them is bogus and I won't have anything to do with em.
Hoodinski 2 weeks ago
@Hoodinski Wrong. The placebo effect doesn't make some of them work. The placebo effect merely makes you think it work. The underlying disease is not affected in anyway. It may subside on its own due to your natural immune system, taking a water pill had absolutely zero to do with it. This is often misunderstood about the placebo effect and its a misunderstanding the quacks in their desperation are latching onto, like there's some mysterious mind-body healing at work when you take bogus pills.
youn00ber 1 day ago
@youn00ber Wrong- get your facts straight. The placebo effect is a widely recognized by the medical society as a mean of therapy, dear sir. It's all about the state of mind and inciting the immune system to work.
Hoodinski 1 day ago
@Hoodinski Nonsense. Which people in ''medical society'' recognize it as a ''means of therapy''. It's not about inciting the immune system to work. The placebo effect does nothing but symptom relief, because the patient fools himself into thinking he or she is better. The underlying disease is not affected in anyway. Check out Science-Based Medicine for more info on this. Two recent articles talk about the misconceptions surrounding the placebo effect.
youn00ber 19 hours ago
"I ALWAYS FELT LIKE I DID!"
lol, that analogy works surprisingly well with physics. (I'm spelling it physics because I'm not sure how to spell it the proper way).
aaron9099 2 weeks ago
@aaron9099 ... it's in the title. I don't mean to come across rude but how are you struggling?
FogNut2 2 weeks ago
@FogNut2 Yeah....That was way to obvious for my taste..
aaron9099 2 weeks ago
david looks realy thin in this
docmartenialation 3 weeks ago
homeopaths... get in the fuckins sack!
2012felixx 3 weeks ago
I found this discussion after searching google for "Why does Dara O'Briain mumble?". I'm glad I'm not the only one who can hardly ever understand a word he's saying. And it's nothing to do with his accent either. He just mumbles so badly. He really needs to work on his enunciation.
billywizzisbest 3 weeks ago
@billywizzisbest Sorry, I didn't follow a word of that.
ELuhn 2 weeks ago
I think Dara is slightly pissed.
neversurreder793 1 month ago 18
@neversurreder793 a very potent 1/8 of a larger.
jquixlo 1 month ago
@neversurreder793 To be fair, he's Irish ;) j/k, j/k
DackxJaniels 1 week ago
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@neversurreder793 To be fair, he's Irish ;) j/k, j/k
DackxJaniels 1 week ago
i think dara is kinda drunk :P
but then again hes irish, and we dont get drunk
shaggymattrocks 2 months ago
@tacticusprime After occupy wall st will be the anti-zionist movement to be popularized by kosher media and lead from the very beginning, by jews.
I wonder what these will be offered as the solution to zionism during their ww3 with muslim nations? could it be zeitgeist communism? gulags are already built.
Jewish babylonians don't give a fuck about the holy land or their ashkenazi lesser brethren, only anti-christian supremacy.
oveid 3 months ago
@oveid Im pretty sure i saw your name next to the definition of ignoramus in the dictionary, i would normally argue against someone as delusional as you but as your own arguments manage to cripple themselves with the sheer stupidity than infects them, then i'm almost certain calling you a moron does the job far more efficiently than wasting any breath on you at all.
walljo05 3 months ago
Television believers need their faith in pharmaceutical representatives so when they die of a preventable disease, they can leave their families the holy bill.
The bottom line here is, homeopathy is affecting the jews drug profits. So out comes the programming to push fear and loathing.
oveid 3 months ago
@oveid Wow... Anti-Semitic, homeopath, conspiracy theorist... you've almost got douche bag Yahtzee.
TacticusPrime 3 months ago
@st00sh13 It's a good thing you have been blessed with such a big google, i mean brain. Homeopathy was termed as such in the sixteenth century, but it has been used for much longer. It developed from 'eastern medicine' and astrology, which are older than history. Homeopathy actually works on the same basic principle as vaccines, but without being invasive.
oveid 3 months ago
what is this form????
Sboy200 3 months ago
Wow, I had never thought of Dara's point about psychic abilities and natural selection, now I know for a fact the whole thing is a wash.
Deanbass77 4 months ago
Lol brilliant
ElMufro 4 months ago
If science cannot explain how light works, perhaps we should all stop using our eyesight, after all, we shouldn't really use something we cannot understand or explain fully, should we?
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
Dara O'Briain admits himself that science doesn't know everything. Experiments have been carried out where water has been exposed to WRITTEN WORDS, then frozen and photographed. If the words are negative, the crystals formed are amorphous, shapeless and ugly. If the words are positive, the crystals formed are regular and beautiful. Who would have thought that such a thing could be possible? Perhaps water exposed to a grain of a substance can be permanently altered. I've tried homeopathy and
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
I had positive results. It wasn't for something as serious as malaria, just an allergy but I certainly experienced a reaction and my condition improved dramatically. Shouldn't someone who bases their thinking on a scientific basis keep a more open mind?
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly The thing is, for something to be seriously considered by scientists, it has to demonstrate the following: scientific plausibility (mechanism of action), effectiveness, and safety. So, homeopathy has no plausibile mechanism of action. That could be fine if it demonstrated effectiveness since plenty of drugs have been developed where it worked but we didn't work out how until later. But no good study has found effectiveness. So, no mechanism and no effectiveness beyond placebo.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly Finally, safety. Homeopathic medicine is safe, mostly, because it doesn't have any active ingredient. Except when it does - the industry is not regulated by the FDA since it doesn't count as real medicine so, as a result, the medicine can be dangerous. Additionally, sellers of homeopathic medicine often discourage conventional medicine usage. People with cancer have died because they refused chemo and took homeopathic medicine. So it is indirectly and directly dangerous.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly 1. Can you direct us to the study? Just because you cite a study doesn't mean it's a good study. I mean, I can already tell you that if humans judged how "beautiful" the crystals were, that study is flawed already because beauty isn't an objective, scalar quantity and it's a qualitative stat subject to biases. 2. Can you suggest a plausible mechanism for this? The best physicists in the world have yet to come up with a theory for how quantum mechanics might affect macro-phenomena.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@Gilgamesh417 Yeah, well, OK it wasthat dodgy guy Emoto butyou yourself state that scientists don't fully understand quantum mechanicsand string theory so how can we be sure that placing a minute amount of a substance into another substance, (water), doesn't contiue to affect the water even after massive dilution? We cannot be sure and I suggest more research be done. Google 'recovered from autism-homeopathy' and read that story and then tell mehomeopathy is bunkum. Normal medicine is limited.
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly Ah, but didn't you see what I wrote? For homeopathy to be seriously considered as a valid medical treatment, it has to demonstrate 1. Plausible scientific medicine and 2. Efficacy. There is no plausible scientific mechanism but if homeopathy were demonstrated to work in placebo controlled, double-blind, clinical studies then it would indicate that we simply haven't discovered the mechanism. There have been many, many studies that I've described indicating that homeopathy is bunk.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly So, given limited resources, you're suggesting that we pursue an avenue of research where there is no basic science to support it with a theoretical mechanism and no clinical/epidemiological research to indicate that it is effective? Please do not direct me to websites of testimonials. That's anecdotal data and, if you were science educated, you would know that anecdotal data/case studies are step 1 in a clinical trial and if clinical data shows no effect, anecdotes are junk.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@Gilgamesh417 Well, because of your cynicism, (and quite right you are too), I had a look at a BBC programme about homeopathy, which appears to conclude that it is bunkum. However, within part three of the programme, (watch?v=Qh0phYI3ROs&NR=1), there is a clinical trial by a trained doctor which appeared to show that the treatment for hayfever WAS effective and NOT due to a placebo effect as it was a double blind study. Leaves questions unanswered that science appears not to want to face.
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly 1. It's skepticism and not cynicism you're hearing. Scientists are, by nature, skeptical as there are many, many extraordinary claims made every day, some made by charlatans (psychics) and some made by legitimate scientists, some of which are even Nobel Laureates (homeopathy). That doesn't mean that it's all true. If scientists were gullible, we'd run around chasing statistical outlier results and then we'd start bending the research data to fit our beliefs.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly 2. A clinical trial by a trained doctor doesn't mean anything except that a followup study is necessary. A followup study by a different person - wouldn't be a big surprise if the followup study done by the same person would yield similar results, right? Additionally, the BBC study doesn't really give enough for me to make a judgement. How was the trial designed? Double blind? Single blind? What were the statistical tools used for analysis? What was the sample population like?
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly Finally, to wrap this up, you have to approach everything you hear with a healthy sense of skepticism. A lot of what you hear is complete bunk - doomsday predictions, miracle cures, psychic powers and the ability predict earthquakes. Those I mentioned are complete garbage. If homeopathy was so effective and great, every scientist in the world would research it because it revolutionizes physics, chemistry and biology/medicine. But they don't because tons of studies show it is bunk.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly Yes, if you have a healthy sense of skepticism, you might end up dismissing, at first, good claims that seem farfetched. But those claims, if they are actually good, will elucidate more research, more data and if it is a good claim, it'll pass all of science's rigorous tests (we love to rip each other's research apart) and become part of science textbooks. It's part of critical thinking - ask the obvious questions. The study says positive results but was the study well designed?
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly Oh yea, be careful not to let skepticism turn into outright cynicism or paranoia. A good example is the death of Osama bin Laden. Yes, it's alright to be skeptical at first. I was until various accounts came in from Pakistani civilians, military and Al Qaeda itself to fit the narrative. The ultra hard details may be sketchy, but that's natural as that is the nature of combat. I took all these accounts and made the correct judgement.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@Gilgamesh417 The correct judgement being that he died or was murdered in 2001 as reported by Benazhir Bhutto. The lies told about bin Laden's death are too obvious. Do you seriously imagine that a nation as stuck on propaganda as the uS is would dump the body of their most hated enemy into the sea and not show pictures of him before and during that operation? Pull the other one it's got bells on!
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@Gilgamesh417 PS. Why did you change the subject to bin Laden? Starting to feel a bit uncomfortable about homeopathy? Not quite so certain that we know all that there is to know about the universe? Of course we don't and to dismiss something as rubbish simply because it defies rational explanation is arrogance of the worst sort. I know people who have seen ghost, heard spirit messages and been warned of danger. They all defy rational explanation but they happened.
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly No, not uncomfortable at all, just making an analogy between disbelieving the rational and logical. Homeopathy is as bunk as can be. I'd be PERFECTLY happy to accept homeopathy if 1. You could demonstrate a plausible scientific mechanism - "water memory" is not a plausible mechanism as, if you know anything about quantum mechanics, it is just not possible and 2. If you could repeatedly demonstrate efficacy.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly So far, homeopaths have not demonstrated either so why should I believe them? Extraordinary claims that would violate basic laws of medicine, biology, physics and chemistry requires extraordinary evidence and homeopaths have had decades to attempt to produce that evidence to no avail. The theory of relativity was accepted in less time.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly For the Bin Laden thing, two things - 1. If he's not dead, don't you think Al Qaeda would say so? I mean, what a GREAT PR coup and a great way to paint Bin Laden as a messiah figure for Al Qaeda and 2. Why would you want to see a dead body? That's quite morbid and in poor taste, don't you think? Famous people die all the time, you don't ask to see the body of them, do you? Michael Jackson? Amy Winehouse? You want to see their bodies too?
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@Gilgamesh417 Did you even read my post? Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just thick? I didn't say he wasn't dead, just that he's been dead for years, no proof to the contrary. I don't want to see dead bodies, saw plenty of them in my time and in no hurry to see more but the Yanks would just LOVE to show off the body of their arch enemy. Maybe they would wrap it in a shroud and only reveal the actual body to certain people but they sure as hell wouldn't lose it overboard.
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly Did you even read my response? I've told you over and over, homeopaths have to prove 1. plausible mechanism and 2. efficacy. They can prove number 2 without number 1 since then they can start looking for a mechanism. Have they? No. Have they ever? No. How long have they had? Decades. Do you want to shut up now about me not wanting to discuss it? Probably not since you seem to be one of those stupid Brit types.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@Gilgamesh417, and you appear to be one of those arrogant, 'head rammed up his own backside' kind of irritating tit Yanks that gets his country a bad name and makes them one of the most reviled nations on earth. Since even the best scientists in the world admit that they don't know everything, especially at sub atomic levels, quantum levels and things like string theory, why should they be able to explain homeopathy? Why does light sometimes behave like a wave and sometimes like a particle?
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly It's not that science can't explain it - it's that it doesn't work. There is no evidence that it works any better than a sugar pill. It doesn't work. End of story.
TheSobek 4 months ago 11
@Gilgamesh417 bin Laden isn't actually famous, more infamous and I saw Michael Jackson's corpse photos, not pretty. People are morbid or hadn't you noticed. The fake death photos posted of bin Laden fooled the same morons that believed the fake Al-CIA-da videos were of him as well.
By the way, still can't quite bring yourself to discuss homeopathy? Feeling a bit backed into a corner?
Hahahahaha.
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly Also, I actually DON'T want to see the body of our "arch-enemy." And while alot of Americans might want to, alot don't and actually don't want to. Seems like you're stereotyping.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@Gilgamesh417 Point is, the prats like Dubya who appear to run your country WOULD LOVE TO SHOW IT OFF and not doing so would be anathema to them given a real opportunity. Taht they didn't do so speaks volumes about the veracity of their account.
Homeopathy then, so, did the scientific community just completely ignore the positive results of a double blind study or do they have some proof that they failed to present in the Horizon programme proving it worthless?
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly And there are plenty of people who aren't W and wouldn't like to show off. In fact, the officials that Obama let see the pictures came back saying "Yea, they're pretty gruesome and we shouldn't show them." And as for homeopathy, yea, the scientific community has done plenty of double blind, controlled studies proving no efficacy of homeopathy. Just go to PubMed and search for homoepathy. It's not the scientific community's fault that the Horizon program's fault that they didn't.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@Gilgamesh417 Saw those hilarious photoshopped crappo photos and they would only convince blind people and Americans that their arch enemy was a recent goner and not dead for ten years as is the case. Seems strange that a Glasgow doctor of medecine managed to convince himself, (a total skeptic), that homeopathy was efficacious due to his own experiments but everyone else chooses to ignore the results because 'he couldn't explain them'. That makes tons of sense......NOT!
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly What's strange is that you keep harping on it but you fail to go to PubMed and search up homeopathy. One positive study only warrants further study by a different researcher and, guess what, dozens if not hundreds of study have filed to find homeopathy as effective. After that, why bother study it more?
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@Gilgamesh417, I will do that young fella m'lad, don't you worry your daft wee heid about it. Another reason that I am interested in homeopathy is that a good few years ago,, I suddenly developed terrible allergic reactions to something or other. I went to the doctor and took the prescribed medicine. NOTHING, no help at all. Went to a homeopath as a last resort and was cured very quickly. I was impressed and that is why I still maintain that homeopathy has some merit.
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@CalumGilhooly How long AFTER taking the medication did you go the homeopath? Were you still taking the medicine at the same time? Were you still exposed to the allergen at the time? Did you even know what the allergen was? Why didn't ask yourself any of these questions? Man, stupid Brit you are. Can't believe an American is more critical thinking and skeptical than you are.
Gilgamesh417 5 months ago
@Gilgamesh417, Oh-hahahahahahaha, I took medication, (anti-histamine), for a few days and had no result whatsoever. Of course I stopped taking it as it was a waste of effort. I had no idea what the allergens were, (cheese, coffee and chocolate), the homeopath informed me and I immediately curtailed consuming those items, that at least reduced the symptoms, which were still very severe. When I took homeopathic medicine, the symptoms got worse for a couple of days then gradually reduced.
CalumGilhooly 5 months ago
@Gilgamesh417
Unfortunately, we have the same problem with new-age bullshit that you have with Christianity.
zombiewoof63 4 months ago
That's really clever, guys -pick on a really easy target like homeopathy. How about having a go at asylum seekers or gypsies or the mentally ill? You could feel even more smug & self-satisfied, if that's possible. It's a pity you two weren't around in the early 70s. You could've made good careers from the racist / homophobic material that was so popular then. When will people see this sort of puerile, schoolboyish drivel for what it is - utter shite.
WhelkDoctor1 5 months ago
@WhelkDoctor1 Not exactly the same level of offense really. Insulting homosexuals and ethnic groups is a tad more serious than insulting a pseudoscience such as homeopathy. There's a difference, there's nothing wrong with being a different race, or having different sexual preferences, it doesn't make for funny material either. A bunch of idiots drinking water thinking it has magical properties, and in the process being charged extortionate prices in the process. That IS funny.
jackamatyus 5 months ago 2
@reznor12 This guy right here is a television-educated coward..
oveid 5 months ago
Homeopathy is not medicine by the television believers understanding. Homeopathy is more of a lifestyle as much about prevention as treatment. It's not meant for trauma or symptom relief.The common american wants to be able to go on living an unsustainable unhealthy life and have any health problems created 'healed' instantly so they can go back to poisoning themselves. Call attention to their irrational behavior and they kick and scream like a jew hooked up to a polygraph.
oveid 5 months ago
@oveid This guy is pathetic copy and paste whore....
reznor12 5 months ago
I am not defending homeopathists (no I don't know the word for those that practice it, no I am not looking it up for one youtube comment) because it is all crap, but I hate it when people have to be all smug about knowing it's crap. If you're actually intelligent and a secure individual, you don't have to talk down others that believe it works and be all "i'm better than you" because of it.
It's sad when people have to belittle others just to make themselves feel better about their views.
Ionized226 5 months ago
I can remember when these two were comedians.
WhelkDoctor1 5 months ago
@WhelkDoctor1 what do you mean?
iamXSTEALTHZX 5 months ago
Why are they analyzing that bit of Dara's show?
Why does david have a pad?
liamjlewis 6 months ago
The burgundy sleeves are rolled up. The buttons are undone. The hair is tousled.
This is almost porn.
PigeonPieProductions 6 months ago 312
@PigeonPieProductions Almost?
lerasai 3 months ago
@PigeonPieProductions Oh, yes. All this hotness is overheating my computer screen.
hipp6y 2 months ago
@hipp6y *heat
Omnilegence 2 months ago
@Omnilegence you're absolutely right, I find it difficult to find the right word sometimes.
hipp6y 2 months ago
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PigeonPieProductions 6 months ago
Paddy Farmer!!! I quote from wikipedia: Dara Ó Briain was born in 1972, in Bray, County Wicklow, and attended Coláiste Eoin secondary school, a Gaelcholáiste on Dublin's southside. He attended University College, Dublin (U.C.D.), where he studied mathematics and theoretical physics.
shouter1979 6 months ago 7
I find the contrast between their accents funny. Posh boy and paddy farmer!!!
TheNo1MovieMan 6 months ago
@TheNo1MovieMan Dara Ó Briain's accent sounds reasonably posh aswell? what are you listening to?
gabrielcrimson 5 months ago
hm, video about Homeopothy and Psychics (both bullsh yes). Comments all pointlessly about Religon... if only i was supprised. For the record i am an atheist but regardless, your not going to change anything ranting over youtube so for gods sake (see what i did there), comment about the video.
Kulkieeeee 6 months ago
are they half-pint glasses or does dara have gargantuan hands?? lol
Nikon05 6 months ago
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This is all quite true if you think about it - which is what people need to do.
EragonFiresword 7 months ago
@oveid what on earth is your problem with Jews? The fact that a lot of them are QUALIFIED DOCTORS and SCIENTISTS?
Nicothephysicist 7 months ago
you really think i'm here to prove homeopathy (a 1000 year old science ) to you fuckwads? @flyingzom212 it's only in white countries that anyone gets health insurance and that's fast becoming a thing of the past thanks to our jew misfortune.
oveid 7 months ago
oveid i really hope you're a troll otherwise this is really toooo sad.
Oh and if you link a study make sure it's reputable and not funded and carried out by some idiot hippy commune.
k thnx
missmcpirate 7 months ago
why are there arguments about homeopathy in here? an argument about the efficacy of ANY treatment should last about 30 seconds and end when someone links to a study conclusively proving or disproving the treatment. And don't tell me none exist for homeopathy, it's been around for over 200 years for christ's sake
Gaiacarra 7 months ago
@serpentofeden I've always believed that people should be free to decide for themselves what to believe in. There is no money in cureing disease only in selling drugs. this is the begining of homoeopathic cures going the way of naturopathic and chinese herbal remedies (BANNED IN CANADA) thanks to sheep like you who think cancer causing radiation and mustard gas(chemo) are scientifical 'miracles'
oveid 7 months ago
@oveid Of course there is money in curing disease; healthy people work more than sick people.
Do you honestly think businesses invest money in health care out of the kindness of their hearts?
Cadburys for example spent a fortune building housing and fixing the water supply specifically so they stopped losing workers to cholera.
Its all well believing in what you like, but reality isn't always what you like, however it is, often unfortunately, real.
flyingzom212 7 months ago
Homeopaths have been cureing disease for 1000 years But you'd rather take the advice of people who gave lobotomies, electro-shock and mercury enemas for centuries before realising Hey maybe were doing more harm than good here.
oveid 7 months ago
@oveid ohh shut up.
bugblood1978 7 months ago
@oveid I'd rather trust the people who actually care about whether a treament works before offering it to people. Homeopathy not only fails to pass any double-blinded, placebo-controlled trials, but also has zero scientific plausability. Please provide evidence of "The Law of Opposites" and "The Law of Infinitesimals" before we even consider your pseudo-science, and after you do that may I be the first to congratulate you on your multiple Nobel Prizes. N.B. Rant cut short due to character limit.
Serpent0fEden 7 months ago
@Serpent0fEden What the hell are those laws? Being a well-educated homeopath I've never heard of them. Guess you made them up. You win all your Nobel prizes for pseudoscience. Try finding an appropriate kind of research to demonstrate homeopathy's amazing healing potential, and we'll add you to the Laureates that have already done so. (3 of them as a matter of fact)
Euclidianify 7 months ago
@Euclidianify A well-educated homeopath?? Hmm...
EmeraldNK 7 months ago
@Euclidianify So you're a "well-educated" homeopath who doesn't know the fundamentals of homeopathy, either that or you're lying because you know how backwards they are. Also are you saying that you can't think of "an appropriate kind of research to demonstrate" that homeopathy works? How about a double-blinded, placebo-controlled test, with a large sample size? Or is that unfair because it shows that homeopathy doesn't work?
Serpent0fEden 7 months ago
@Serpent0fEden Ok Serp. Here's lesson #3: Homeopathy works when a remedy is INDIVIDUALLY chosen for a patient. Thats where the law of similar applies. So large sample size studies, while some have actually worked out, don't accurately represent how it best works when the symptom totality matches the patients in a precisely similar way. Lying: LOL! And i didn't say I couldn't think of an appropriate study, I asked you to find one. But you needed more lessons obviously.
Euclidianify 7 months ago
@Euclidianify Individualised medicines can still be tested using large sample sizes. By the way I don't see how a lack of studies supports your position, it does quite the opposite. Also does this mean you're opposed to the homeopathy in, for example, Boots which isn't individualised at all? There is still no plausability for the "Law of Similars".
Serpent0fEden 7 months ago
@Serpent0fEden You have some barrier to understanding homeopathy. Probably your dogmatism. No I actually don't think these "Boots" remedies do much. They seem to act for a short time at times. But no, its not applying the original principle. No plausibility for the LOS's?! Why not? If you make someone hot when they have a fever then it's apt to break. There's 1000s of examples of how pharmaceutical's action works by the LOSs in the absence of pharm-kinetic explanations. Works apart from homrem's
Euclidianify 7 months ago
@Euclidianify So if I disagree with you it must be because I'm dogmatic, not because there's no evidence for any of your claims? What if you treat someone with hayfever with garlic (as both make your eyes water)? That doesn't make sense.. (or work). Sure some things may work, but not because of this "law", until you test and prove that homeopathy works there's no reason to assume that it does.
Serpent0fEden 7 months ago
@Serpent0fEden Your disagreement comes from this unwillingness to entertain any other possibility that your scientism dictates to you (and everyone else) and so your grasp of concepts and ability to "listen" falls short. You don't get the names of things right, you don't have a basic understanding of homeopathy, and its not your snaky agenda. Garlic has never made my eyes water. Onions have. With material doses there's some effect, but potentized doses are what gives it more action.
Euclidianify 7 months ago
@Euclidianify My "scientism"? Don't mistake my unwillingness to accept unproven things for the inability to listen. I have been wrong, and where I have noticed I have corrected myself; writing garlic when I meant to write onion is hardly a big faux pas. By "potentized" do you mean without any active ingredient? If so does that make my tap water a cure for almost everything as at some point it would have come in contact with something that caused similar symptoms? Any luck with these studies?
Serpent0fEden 7 months ago
@Serpent0fEden See: again you resort to rhetorical blab. You just pretend ignorance for your cause. You know the dilution/succession process. You know there have been solid studies done by Nobel prize winners showing the biological action of high dilutions sequentially made and shaken. Now there's Indian researchers that are very different structures related to the original substance in remedies, through nanotechnology. And, if you had first hand experience you'd be convinced of the efficacy.
Euclidianify 7 months ago
@Euclidianify Because "scientism" and calling me dogmatic aren't rhetorical blab? I do not know of the studies you mentioned, perhaps if you could provide a link? First-hand experiences are exactly what science has learned it cannot rely on, instead for more reliable data we need to stand back and not fall into placebos etc.
Serpent0fEden 7 months ago
@Serpent0fEden Serpent of Eden? Would that mean you are the devil?
TheFriendlyEngineer 7 months ago
@TheFriendlyEngineer Do you honestly think that there's a chance the devil has a youtube account? O.o
Serpent0fEden 7 months ago
@Serpent0fEden Some people have an attitude like a devil.
TheFriendlyEngineer 7 months ago
@Serpent0fEden Ah wow- sorry to randomly comment, but that's an amazing thought! I love that idea: the devil- prince of darkness and personification of irredeemable evil- now addicted to the internet and spends all his time trolling youtube and starting pointless arguements instead of causing the apocalypse and getting on with other evil schemes he's supposed to do... maybe that's why Campbell's Rapture didn't arrive on time. O.k- sorry for that :-( carry on ...
BrightEyedAthena 7 months ago
@BrightEyedAthena Says you...
ajivins1 7 months ago
@Serpent0fEden Sorry should have been "The Law of Similars", still the same basic pseudo-science thinking though...
Serpent0fEden 7 months ago
@oveid Homeopathy was invented by Samuel Hahnemann in 1796. That's 205 years, to be precise (not 1000s). A simple google search would tell you that. It was shown to not work then and it is being shown, repeatedly, that it doesn't work now.
St00sh13 3 months ago
homoeopathy is not for people who remain ignorant of the jew. you have to abandon your programing first. remedies are matched to individuals symptoms and many interactions are to be avoided if you want to see results.
oveid 7 months ago
Homeopathy is real- my body thetans told me and anyone who says otherwise is a relgious bigot and my cult..er..church will come after you.
Signed
A scientologist!
laserofjustice 7 months ago
David Mitchell is ridiculously attractive here.
ishsawah 7 months ago 2
"Like SIGHT....or, yknow...the ability to hear things" Brilliant!
murkartik 7 months ago
sorry. it's 'beneficial'. that's the spelling. before you correct me on that.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
not that no-one shouldn't skeptical of psychics of course. it's only when it's obvious someone hasn't looked into the subject or is too quick to dismiss it that i'd be inclined to call them out on it.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
as far psychics go, let's just say that i'm skeptical of skeptics on the subject, but never make the mistake in thinking that human beings are as evolved as they can be, coz they ain't.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
@StrummingSparrow
Evolution has no target. It is not an intelligently directed process, you know that right?
Imagine a new ice-age.
If we didn't have our technology, that is if we were still hunter/gatherers it is entirely possible that evolutionary pressure would have reduced our brain-size in favour of thick skin and regaining a thick hairy coat.
I guess you could say more evolved means more generations of an species line, in which case bacteria are way more evolved than us.
gotohell114 8 months ago
@gotohell114 natural selection is not a random process and richard dawkins has said that. he also wonders if our brains will get bigger given that a plentiful amount smart people in our world usually don't produce the most children so yeah i know. but surely at this stage the human race can take evolution upon itself given that we're talking about advancing our genes at some stage. i guess i meant 'evolved' in a more idealistic way (contd...)
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
@gotohell114 ...given that if everyone wanted to everything about anything it would be best for all. evolution in thinking, advancement and so on. here's a thing i found intersting. look at the first two results after googling: 'skeptical of skepticism'. there is a skeptical approach to life but it is not the only side to everyone. there is an experiencial side to everyone as well, the side that values 'irrational' experience because it is profound to each individual.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
look up the The Penguin Cafe Orchestra as well. their founder Simon Jeffes had an excellent quote on what i'm talking about there.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
there's a missing word there i meant to put in. ''know'' after ''everyone''.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
yeah: ''if everyone wanted know about everything...'' just for anyone who's wonderin which because the correction wasn't put after the sentence i wanted in the list. damn youtube.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
@StrummingSparrow you meant evolved in the non-biological sense? that wasn't clear at all.
handsomebrick 2 weeks ago
@handsomebrick enlightened-yes.
StrummingSparrow 2 weeks ago
as likeable as i find dara o'briain, when it comes to some subjects there's a tendency to be oversimplistic. for instance,the benefit of having homeopathy shops is they usually have a wide variety of genuinely healthy vitamins, aromatic stress relievers, food supplements, omega3 fish oils and the like that do have mesurable and testable benefits.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
@StrummingSparrow
So why not have those shops just sell stuff that is backed up by evidence, instead of lies?
gotohell114 8 months ago
@gotohell114 why don't you look into it? some of the stuff is built on sand but aromatherapy isn't total bull. ask any asthmatic. the shops stand on their own feet because they do actually sell some stuff that is benefitial. you're merely assuming you're right. find out for sure. it's not all black and white. life is made up of different shades of grey.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
@StrummingSparrow
And you are reading information where there is none, sure you're not into homeopathy?
Only an idiot would claim that nice smells don't have a calming effect.
I have some nice scented candles and an oil heater myself.
But I was specifically talking about homeopathy.
It reveals itself to be an absurd scam as soon as you start investigating its claims.
gotohell114 8 months ago
@gotohell114 sorry yeah. there is a lot of mix-up between homeopathy and herbal remedies but i have come across vets who are into it. i guess i have no interest in homeopathy as it turns out. still i liked that debate. as far the 19th century epidemic of cholera is concerned, herbal medicine and homeopathy were probably mixed up then as well.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
@StrummingSparrow
And there are physicists that are devout believers in the magic sky daddy.
Unfortunately we humans have an amazing ability to compartmentalise incompatible beliefs.
For the most part I think you are at least in the same book as me, if not the same page. :)
gotohell114 8 months ago
@gotohell114 the existence of god is another debate but i don't think it's a sky daddy people like Francis Collins believe in. It's probably not the best representation of what is believed. i've taken a step back on religion in the past years because my brother became a baptist evangelical and there was a lot that put me off. he told me i was just picking and choosing stuff but i honestly didn't feel that some kind of decision had to be made.course i'd pick and choose-it's the bible. lol.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
Francis Collins is a different field obviously but you know what i mean. one of the best examples i can think of in another field of science.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
one more thing to add. i thought it was brilliant what you said about being in the same book if not on the same page. recently i wrote a poem about these kind of things which included the line: ''if we're all on the same page then there is no space to read...''
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
@gotohell114 i think you mean God.
98smithg 7 months ago
@98smithg
Lol, I said magic sky daddy and meant it.
The silly concept of the abrahamic allah/yahweh/jehovah does magic, is in the sky and wants to treat us all like children.
How does the name not fit?
gotohell114 7 months ago
@gotohell114 Just because you have not found faith yet does not mean you should be disrespectfull to others. Even if you where a humanitarian then you should at least be polite.
98smithg 7 months ago
@98smithg
I refuse to respect silly, ignorant, lies indoctrinated into children and then passed off as real by foolish adults.
Would you 'respect' someone who said that santa claus was real?
How about Thor or Isis?
It is all the same pathetic desire to hand off personal responsibility to an imagined father/mother figure.
The most powerful weapons we have are education and ridicule.
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Would you prefer the religous response and I strap bombs to myself?
gotohell114 7 months ago
@gotohell114 Christianity and in fact many religions preach peace and tolerance, of course there are nutters in the middle east trying to blow themselves up but that is always going to happen. So to call that the 'religous responce' is just plain absurd. The fact that you forget to notice is that Christianity is steeped in history, over 2000 years of worship and scholarly research by monks has led to the religion you see today, it isn't just plucked out of thin air as you suggest it might be.
98smithg 7 months ago
@98smithg
Ah yes the "scholarly reasearch" that gives us the genesis account of how everything came to be.
+"The Flood".
Lets not forget about the erudite bibical scholars that gave us the story of an exodus of a few million jewish slaves from egypt when the entire population would have been barely 3 times that.
Or the "scholarly" belief of 40-50% of americans today that the bible is literally true in every detail, even when it contradicts itself.
Nope sorry, still laughing at fools.
gotohell114 7 months ago
@98smithg
How about the love and truth of christianity when a child dies due to a exorcism?
Happening today in America!
How about the love and truth of christianity when a girl is killed by her father for being a witch?
Happening today in Africa!
Both these things would not be occurring if not for the "scholarly" information found within the bible.
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Western culture has flourished because the majority of people use secular knowledge to dismiss the majority of christian knowledge.
gotohell114 7 months ago 66
@gotohell114
"christian knowledge" did you mean christian ignorance?
joaonor 5 months ago
@gotohell114 True, but i still feel there's a place for religion in modern society, i'm not religious myself but the whole rest of my family is, and i can see that religion has made them far better people than they could've been without it, religion is a scapegoat not a cause, morons would be morons with or without it.
CBAalltheway 4 months ago
@CBAalltheway
I guess we have a choice.
We can treat all humans as adults and show them the truth as best we can currently determine it.
We then deal with the actions taken by thinking adults.
Or we can assume we are all children and that we need some elite group (of .. who? Politicians, scientists?) to determine what it is safe for us to know.
Not only that, but they SHOULD lie to us to ensure we do as "they" have decided is best for us.
The second option sounds an awful lot like religion.
gotohell114 4 months ago
@gotohell114 Only religion as most people seem to perceive it, my personal experiences of modern day religion, is that the whole" you will live this way and refrain from all these things" is becoming a little antiquated. Religion is a private belief, which no-one else can share in quite the same way, and with that comes the freedom of the individual. But i accept that a lot of the exeriences people will have had of religion will be to the contrary.
CBAalltheway 4 months ago
@gotohell114 There'some truth to what you say,but if i was someone on my way home and had to walk through a dark alley, i would much rather a christian than the vast variety of non-chistians walking towards me from the other end. Christianity and various other religions are often used as scape-goats for a huge variety of things, but more often than not in, at least, my experience it takes an already damaged mind to exploit relgious teaching, not religious teaching itself.
CBAalltheway 3 months ago
@CBAalltheway "if i was someone on my way home and had to walk through a dark alley"
Wait.. if you were "someone" on your way home? lol.. You're so far away from any dark alleys you can't even imagine yourself walking down one..
Which is just as well considering you think you can judge whether or not someone is gonna mug you based on their religious belief
ColostomyCake 2 months ago
@CBAalltheway I would prefer 1 person of any type than a vast group of any type.
Nexius8 2 months ago
@gotohell114
Wow, that's potent!
And true. But peace to everyone of course.
On the other hand, The Force was a good thing too, and see what Darth Vader did. Seems like all good intentions go tits up the moment humans get involved. Good thing this is all fictional.
goyatley 2 months ago
@gotohell114 wait. Thor's not real? well there goes my whole religious outlook. all those poor goats i sacrificed...
Bradz452 6 months ago
@gotohell114 just found out you have a homeopathy debate on your channel. good on you. i'm only referring only to the shops. there's not many homeopathy hospitals in my area. still, always prepare to be surprised.
StrummingSparrow 8 months ago
@StrummingSparrow
Unfortunately Peter Fisher did a Kent Hovind on Ben in that debate.
That is, he appeared to have loads of studies that said only what he wanted them to say.
Once you actually start investigating those studies they are shown to be badly designed at best.
Ben was in no way prepared for 1/. a 'hostile' audience and 2/. Actual studies to dispute Peter's claims.
gotohell114 8 months ago
It's nice to think that they're all friends. I can't be the only one who hopes that somewhere there's a big house where everyone who's ever been on, say, QI goes and hangs out for a couple of weeks....
Chariset 8 months ago
I'm actually watching this while drinking a homeopathic double vodka (a.k.a. filtered tap water in a cup that was used during a Christmas party three years ago)
Sonicblade128 8 months ago 2
I dont think they get evolution but good stuff.
chiffmonkey 8 months ago
Just grabbed my DVD to watch this.
LOUSE37 9 months ago
Suffered from insomnia recently. Dropped an absolute fortune in local health food store buying vials/tubes/bottles that I thought contained active ingredients. Got them home 'HOMEOPATHIC REMEDY' the labels read. Nooooooo! Yeah I could neck some expensive water but it won't help. If anything it'll worsen my insomnia as I'll be kept awake by fury at how idiots can manufacture and sell this stuff.
pennydesouza 9 months ago
@pennydesouza hehe I suffered many years, due to stress. Only when I stopped caring about the thing that was stressing me could I finally sleep. Ignorance is bliss.
TrollReborn 9 months ago
@Pilkie101 eh how about no?
EmeraldPlatoon92 9 months ago
Homeopathy was quite powerful before it got watered down.
harrifer3000 10 months ago 113
Lol the sight analogy is genius!
TheImmaterial 10 months ago
12 psychics and hemeopaths watched this video....
EmeraldPlatoon92 10 months ago
@EmeraldPlatoon92
Oh yawn! Fuck off!
Pilkie101 9 months ago
I'm amazed that these two men could even be in the same room without the whole universe like exploding due to the divine funniness that they both have combined.
chailizard 10 months ago 2
The bit about sight was absolute genius!
mrfrankincense 11 months ago
david mitchell gets an awful lot of use out of that burgundy shirt. i count 7 uses out of 11 in the related video thumbnails alone :-o
thesurgeon 11 months ago 40
@thesurgeon He's definitely not a bloke who would have a big wardrobe.
graemeoliver84 8 months ago
@thesurgeon LOL
s0673451 7 months ago
I do like Dara O'Briain but I miss a lot of what he is saying because his accent is so strong. I wanted to go see him live but my wife can't understand a word he says so we had to skip it. Literally she can't get one word.
WillShakespeare2007 11 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007 Dara doesn't really have a strong Irish accent. He just mumbles and doesn't enunciate.
ChristopherDone 10 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007
really? i've never spoke to an irish person in my life only seen dara on TV and i can understand every word he says.
mancltymagics1 9 months ago
@WillShakespeare2007
Might I suggest that you say to your wife "Feck it", and go to see Dara anyway.
So, what happened in 2009? Did someone mention the "Scottish Play" ?
johnpetermalcolm 8 months ago