No way I'm giving my real name so people who don't like my videos..or like them a little to much 8 P ,can track me down. Started this channel today & went to open a Google+ to go with it to help promote it, that was before I read their policy. Not only did they want it on + also said it would put it on all G accounts & apps don't know if that includes YouTube, doesn't matter I +1 a video my name is associated with my YouTube name. Just a hop skip & a jump to my violated corpse from there 8 P
It is a fine line that is being cut here ZJ. Anonymity is a good and/or evil so chosen by its user. Unfortunately, with the net, most anonymity is being used for the evil, to hide the harm that those evil anonymous users want to cause. Eradicate anonymity? No, rather we who oppose cyber evils need to do a better job at making them, "The Chaos Net" not exist in our lives any more than they already are. But with that said, do most people care? In my estimation not very much.
(cont) People can try and destroy the house that I have built, but even if they steal it, or destroy it, I will still fall asleep on some solid ground. I have no need to attack the anonymous evil net users the way I have been attacked, because once I do I am now one of them. See the destroyers as a means to climb higher, let them keep shooting, remember you aren't running, you seek a purpose, but they have a purpose to and they have chosen for it to be to attack not live.
(cont 2) And I know the more I speak my mind the more I will be attacked, so be it. In this world today, if you speak out, a stranger, in the shadows of likes has never been seen in any age til now, has an arrow on you. I know exactly what world I am living in. Let them be cowards, (and some like to call it superior intelligence) but I for one can do without attacking others out of the shadows from a malice, vengeful place. Anyone can steal my identity but I still know who I am!
@1:19 its free speech in its entirety. its an outlet 4 me, as so much of my life i must bite my tongue, lest i burn bridges, make friends not want 2 talk 2 me about something, or some other consequence. anonymity of the net has allowed me 2 meet a ton of awesome friends i otherwise never would hav :)
@1:19 its free speech in its entirety. its an outlet 4 me, as so much of my life i must bite my tongue, lest i burn bridges, make friends not want 2 talk 2 me about something, or some other consequence. anonymity of the net has allowed me 2 meet a ton of awesome friends i otherwise never would hav :)
Randy Zuckerberg wants internet anonymity to go away. Uh huh. And I'll bet Disneyland would like to make the park guests responsible for keeping the rides in good working order, but that's not going to happen either.
That fuckstick makes a billion dollars providing a public space and then wants to fuck with people to cut his own liability for what goes on there. He might just have to get over that if he wants to keep the checks coming in.
I'm younger than you Zinnia, but I wanna be like you when I grow up. I love your rational, argued stances. Like Richard Dawkins says of Christopher Hitchens, "I'd rather hate to be on the other side of him" (paraphrase). Keep it honey!!
I'm younger than you Zinnia, but I wanna be like you when I grow up. I love your rational, argued stances. Like Richard Dawkins says of Christopher Hitchens, "I'd rather hate to be on the other side of him" (paraphrase). Keep it honey!!
Don't forget the NSA they can find out who you are anyway no matter what their screen name is,anonymity is a false security blanket if people want to find out who someone is it is as easy as making a complaint to law enforcement..
Interesting points made in this video. Given that there has been recent legal issues for websites with anonymous users spreading hate speech, I could foresee some form of identification of users who are encouraging or organizing violence and harassment on facebook, Youtube and any other web browsers/sites that are collecting personal data. I don't think it is necessary for the sites to release peoples identities to the general public. It's a matter for law enforcers not us.
ZJ, I fully agree. In fact, I'd perhaps go even a step further and say that not only do people not care whether or not their identity is disclosed when making certain remarks.... Often times they even take pride in it. From offensive tweets to absurd youtube videos, they fully identify with their ideology - presenting themselves as 'hero's'. As people who are 'brave' enough to voice 'what everyone is thinking, but no one dares say'. Anonymity today is not a prerequisite for anserine behavior.
My thoughts on this exactly. People who don't like anonymity don't like honest opinions.
And Zinna gets attacked by anonymous jackasses all time. So one might think out of all people she wouldn't support it. But obviously she's smarter than that.
You don't want to cut the tail off a rattlesnake or else you won't know when you're about to be bit.
"... how horrible the human race truly is." I'm hopeful (maybe naively) that this is hyperbole. If not, maybe the analogy is complete, and you have become the abyss? One issue with anonymity is that it allows a tiny minority with high motivation to appear to have much greater support than is really the case. The proportion of dickheads here or in the comments of blogs is in no way a realistic sampling of the general population. [Maybe not 100% due to anon. or sock-puppetting, but still..]
It would help to define the term 'horrible'. The most relevant remark to this video I could make about humanity in general is that all people are not of the same mind. However we get new ideas to contemplate is a boon to us. It seems vain to claim exclusive ownership of ideas. Anonymity is a way to give ideas away freely.
well seeing as so many people online spit and yell at eachother with racism and stereotypes (like in some of ZJs videos) i can see why people wouldnt want antinomy. but also there are other good reasons for the other debate
Sorry to comment off-topic, but I just caught the Alex S. Glitch remix of the MLP theme from your favorited videos, and I liked it a LOT! I'm not a big MLP fan, but that was a wonderful remix, thank you for sharing!
I've left thousands of comments all over since 2002, and I've picked up a few stalkers. Their goal isn't to discuss anything I've written but simply to shut me up. For an example of that - including an example of me finding out one of the perps - see this (involving a very popular blogger):
24ahead . com/n/9219
The issue isn't so much anonymity, it's those who hide behind anonymity to smear and harass.
I respect your videos and some of your opinions, but you're lying to yourself if you can't see the fact that you're putting yourself up on this high horse that is completely unwarranted. You know your massive amount of haters are going to hate on every video, yet If you told me that reading their "ignorant" trash talk doesn't brighten your day, you would be lying to me. You get off on their hate as much as they get off on laughing at your videos. How long do you think you'll be a star online?
You are a light, well done. I like anonymity, and I prefer not to troll. But, extreme views and dogma can limit my expression of my views by not wanting to be harassed. Social pressure can, also be a fascism that limits free speech of people seeking honest discussion and expression . With anonymity I can visit social groups that don't agree with me, just like anyone. Truth without suppression is reason being made reasonable.
I love how there are a people are using the anonymity feature you're discussing in this video right now in this very video's comments... it is nice to know that this is what people really want to say even if they might not say it in public or to your face or attached to their own names. It's often a little unsettling and upsetting, but it is informative like you said. Interesting points, Zinnia. I'd never really thought about this issue before. I agree with you completely. :D
I have two YTids, and both often comment on the same videos-- not sock-puppet-like, though. One gets mirrored to FB. Both get mirrored to Twitter, but to different Twitids.
@zjempty Question: I have been working in IT for over a decade now and have off and on received Marie Clare magazine for much of my life. I may be misunderstanding but since when was Marie Clare an IT Journal? I can see how social aspects of the web effect Marie Clare readers as it relates to stalking and harassment, so I can see how they would hold a panel but am I thinking of another publication? or has Marie Clare gone into a whole other field? did you misspeak? or am missing something else
Why should anyone be scared? Congress may make no law abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, but the rest of us could choose to 'abridge' them.
Only the conformist requires the absence of anonymity, for the non conformist.
My silence is needed where I am, for the protection of the defenseless under my care. WHEN that is no longer the case I WILL risk my own life, via self expression, as it would be reckless and negligent for me to do so now. My dissent is not automatically wrong, just because it is dissent. But conformists would claim me as a criminal, and require that there be consequences to my not being a drone.
I just watched the rest of your vid and it's even better than the beginning. I don't care if you don't believe in or don't understand or don't like God, God bless you.
..Besides, the very idea of interfering with peoples free speech, through societal intimidation (which is what Zuckerbergs' suggestion would actually cause), is just frankly icky -I don't know how else to put it. Its true: people do not speak as Gentile online as they do in public; people speak differently at home as well - should we put big brother cameras in everyones home?BTW I'm curious, has Ms. Zuckerberg ever said anything in private or in emails or on the net that she wouldn't in public?
Great Video; I honestly don't get how anyone could disagree with what you're saying, but apparently some do. Anonymity (even though it's only perceived and anyone can find out who anyone is) is extremely important. The internet has become an extension of our social interaction environment. As such, it would be no more morally correct to strip it of its anonymity than it would to strip a persons house of its anonymity. Besides, the idea...continued..
The mandatory use of real names will give the government the control over the internet. The internet was created with the purpose of anonymity and the ability to go around the control of governmental authority. The internet was also created for the purpose of communication without revealing oneself, which means used to be available to people by means of newspapers and anonymous publishing. Now that this form of communication has been virtually done away with, the only means of anonymous
communication remaining is the internet. If this kind of control is forced on the people, we will lose the rights of free speech and the government will then control all means of communication available to the people. Fight this kind of control and creeping control of our rights with everything that you know to do. If not, then sit back and enjoy the propaganda machine that is the mass media. Whether fascist, communist, far right wing, left wing or anything in between you'll lose your rights.
So ZJ is just a male who thinks he's a lesbian? Damn and i thought ((I)) was confused!! WOW Although I do sometimes wish I was a lesbian; a hot lipstick lesbian. ;D
IT cant be a lesbian...HES Not genetincly a boy therefor its immpossible to be lesbian HE has the genes of a boy has a dick HE Can get parts removed change his voice look like a girl how ever much still truly is a GUY Lesbian:a woman whose emotional, romantic, and sexual energies are geared towards other women. So there for HES a Homo because Hes a Guy.Yet HES with a girl? Im thinking Transvestite who likes girls? Im glad i could teach you all something today.
Ok, I lied. Lol. last point. I have an email listed on my now disabled profile which I have never used anywhere else, yet daily it fills with spam from FB advertisers. I have had all the right boxes ticked to prevent this, and still it comes. I also receive blank emails which correspond to notifications from groups and pages I STARTED which I can no longer access. Nor can I change my email preferences. This now represents 60% of my inbox with no way of stopping it.
One last point; the further irony is that I remain active on FB using a wholly fake profile as a result of this policy. Due to medical issues FB is pretty much my life line to the outside world and I've now lost contact with 240 friends, some of whom I've known for over three decades.
I have my Facebook page on my business cards. I've asked them to reimburse me, but all they do is demand scans of documents that I wouldn't mail to my bank! Ironically my press card is in my name 'as known' but doesn't have my date of birth on it, and is therefore unacceptable.
Damned straight, but I have been banned for using the name by which everyone knows me by. I'm a writer and artist - how many celebrities use their real name? I know of several who have a page with their stage name, and then talk to their friends under yet another fake name.
Of COURSE someone with a vested interest in a widely-used social network would say they're against anonymity. Full disclosure would give them access to all the stuff they'd like to be able to sell to advertisers.
Zinnia, it's only due to watching Ashley's vlog, that I've been fortunate to see your reply to Randi. You are quite attractive, and erudite. It's great to know that people like you and Ashley and Erin are in this world. When one has to deal with all kinds of meaness, evil (and this is by someone who has been given all kinds of help; I even loved her once upon a time). You girls help make my life worth living!!!-lol-krw
You make great points here, but you should have just printed the essay that you wrote and are reading here, not put it on Youtube as a vlog. Some of us still like to read, you know. You are standing still, using a monotone. It's a huge disservice to the medium, which in turn is a huge disservice to your message. If it was text, we could internalize your words, make them our own. You could get in my brain rather than tripping over my speakers and falling flat on my desk.
Let's say there was a religion in the world that was so vile, that many of its members felt it was their duty to murder anyone who would dare speak against its barbaric misogynistic sacred writings and prophet that was a pedophile and a mass murderer. If we aren't free to anonymously present our case against this horrific religion, then we make ourselves martyrs if we dare try and be an instrument of change in this dark world. That's why the internet must remain anonymous: to bring reform.
Bingo, ZJ. And what this moron calls "incivility" is not a real problem--it is a solution. The whole premise to opposing anonymity is completely backwards, because it is the stance of cowards who don't want to be inconvenienced by the expression of ideas they find unpalatable. They are pining for thought police to come and save them from a world they find to be too diverse for comfort.
Thank you so much, ZJ! I know the horrible things people say to you and I know either the "Zinnia" or the "Jones" probably isn't real. People want to KILL you because of your unpopular speech. How is it productive to make you give these assholes your address? That's like saying "Shut up or die." and that's just against the first amendment. Furthermore, how do they expect to enforce this? You try to get a log in, you put a fake name and it says "No, your real name"? The internet wouldn't know!
What I say behind your back: "I wonder if ZJ gives us new pieces of information about her gender just to keep us guessing and jumping to conclusions because it gives her a thrill and/or is part of an experiment she is doing for a big-ass psych thesis."
Best case use of anonymity... someone works someplace they don't really like, but must work there for lack of other job opportunities. They hold a position of some society viewed "respect".. in that role they have no personal life as their life on and off the job is always under scrutiny; yet, they wish to be heard, to have their thoughts known, and possibly inform others of some fact that now is but doesn't have to be, they can institute change through anonymity
I would point out also that anonymity protects and fosters free speech for those who dissent from the social norm. Express the "wrong" opinion about islam, scientology or christianity and your life could be in danger. Or your kids could be harassed at school. Try speaking out publicly about mormons in Utah. Not safe.
Stand up against the Klan in the rural south - if you feel suicidal.
Some people have valuable, worthwhile and informative opinions that they could never openly express.
Sorry, that is IMHO an unacceptable statement: "Horrible" is only your judgment on certain actions of certain people or groups of people. The human race is not horrible, all in all we are a pretty interesting species.
I agree though I put my face on youtube I don't want people to know where I live or my phone number that's too personal and there are a shit load of nut jobs out there that'd hurt for you for being against their religion.
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your argument isn't coherent. first, you say that anonymity is necessary to expose how hideous humans actually are but then go on to say that real names do nothing to stop displays of ignorance (etc, etc, etc). this incongruence aside, we hardly need anonymity to repeatedly show us what we already know. the idea that we need real names attached to online behavior is a response to this knowledge, not an attempt to cover it up. indeed, awareness of this horror is nothing new.
@originaljonesdotinfo The example that real names do not stop displays of ignorance etc. was used to directly oppose Zuckerberg's point. The example given of anonymity was a benefit ehich it can confer, amongst many others (e.g. speaking out on issues you are under real world pressure not to talk about).
You are comparing two separate things, which is incoherent.
@originaljonesdotinfo Actually, this just shows that the expectation that use of real names will make people act decently is not something that holds true in practice, and without that justification, mandatory use of real names is just superfluous and comes with serious costs attached.
@ZJemptv the 'serious cost', if i follow your argument, is that people won't express their genuine thoughts out of fear of stigma, thereby depriving us of a full view of the hideous nature of humanity. is there some other cost you've put forward? that particular cost is directly countered by your argument that real names will not keep people from acting out of their inner demons.
@originaljonesdotinfo Exposing people's real names can pose a danger to them. I explained that very clearly. People on Facebook feel comfortable expressing their prejudice in what they believe is a private setting, regardless of the fact that their real names are available. They believe it to be a setting of relative anonymity, yet it is still attached to their names and they're fully aware of this. This supports my arguments, not yours.
@ZJemptv I have messaged you numerous times trying to get you to make a video about the rampant racism in the LGTB community. I e-mailed numerous other bloggers about it as well but think you are the most caring of all the ones I know and was really hoping you would tackle it.I understand that it's alien to the vast, vast majority of white LGTB community because they obviously don't experience it but I will tell you that if you took a survey you would see that most non white LGTB members know it
@ZJemptv It's even more common than it is in the rest of society. One would think one minority group would be more tolerant of another. Others have argued that there is a lot of homophobia in the non white community as well. I am sure there is but remember. A non white gay,lesbian,bisexual or transgender person is a minority within a minority and life dose not get any suckier than that. The last thing we need is slurs, exclusion and ridicule from the community which we regularly receive.
@ZJemptv that, i agree with. it seemed to me you spoke at some length about how real names would conceal the true horror of humanity, though you're now denying it will. i agree that use of real names won't mask the horror, which is well known in any case. i also agree that real names present a danger, given the insane level of vitriol that dominates online. still, to the extent that i follow your point about concealing the horror, i don't see how you haven't contradicted it.
@originaljonesdotinfo Both are true to an extent, but it's because both are the result of the same underlying principle. People on Facebook will more openly say things like that in what they believe to be a private context, because they still think they're relatively unknown (just the same as with anonymous posting); it's more limited and nobody will particularly care what they say anyway. Yet their real names are still associated with this and it doesn't stop them until it's publicly exposed.
@ZJemptv that's an interesting distinction. i don't think it's true that nobody will particularly care what they say anyway, but fbook certainly insulates to some extent against the insane rage that obtains in 'pure public.' the interesting question, to my mind, that Zuckerberg's comments point at is whether or not the pure public space can be humanized. your position, if i follow, is 'no' and therefore anonymity is necessary. i'm sympathetic to this position, though still considering.
@ZJemptv You all seem to be ignoring the point that anonymity is a right and not a privilege. Witness anonymity of voting in general elections as well as in parliamentary voting procedures.
I would have praised your monologue (and you in my usual effusive way) but am restrained by your comments on your blog, or some such, regarding what you called ‘sycophants.’ For once you were wrong.
@originaljonesdotinfo In the end, I don't want to have to tell everyone who I am or where I am. I don't like the fact that someone could do a search on me (If randy had his way) and could find out whatever they want. "If" I had children I also wouldn't want all of what they do online open for people to know about. I don't want people to know that they are kids. Everyone should be free to forfeit their right to privacy, but they shouldn't have the power to forfeit the rights of others.
I find it ironic that her brother would be such a talented hacker who has studied among those who value anonymity as highly as they do access to information yet she speaks openly of creating a gatekeeper ability that would allow Big Brother and indeed anyone with the necessary skills to track, manipulate, intimidate and otherwise govern the way we think and communicate. The internet was created for the open sharing of ideas if someone has to fear because what they said is public it stifles this.
ZJ, well said, as usual. Now we just wait for the trolls and haters to pass their ignorant judgements and stupidities, and then enjoy the intelligent commenters! Same ol' same ol'. I particularly love the "is he gay" trolls!!! Looks like we already have some of those now. Cool !!! Carry on ZJ !
hmm-I would have to agree-though in response do you ever breath while talking? I mean it was just all connected together with no pause or change in scenery. If your trying to get the attention of ignorant people you need flashing lights and slow moving text. Lol Just thought I would point that out.
The great thing about you tube is what people would say behind your back is said via the comments for you and all to see. Stupid things said about your arguments can be refuted. Valid disagreements with your own point of view can be considered and shape your understanding of a subject. I think full blown anonymity is great.
@CBlargh Wouldnt removing annoyminity from the internet jst push them underground? Sure we may identify a few but after a while people will get the idea and jst hide their ideas until they bubble over in an uncontrolled way or they would just not use the internet.
Randi and facebook et al are nothing more than corporate whores toeing the line dictated to them. Big Business wants all anonymity gone to solidify control of the internet - they know who you are so they can bill you, or silence you at will. Keep up the good fight ZJ.
I often mock and deride those who flip their shit over things like the TSA's airport security measures and Facebook's face recognition system, but seeking to eliminate anonymity on the Internet in the name of civility is retarded beyond my comprehension.
Now I'm glad I never got involved in Facebook. if a fucking SIGHT FOUNDER supports neither people's right to privacy nor Free speech, then why should I use his network? What? So I can just show my face and never share any of my controversial opinions? I can do that in real life.
Zinnia, I'm kinda in love with your brain right now
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No way I'm giving my real name so people who don't like my videos..or like them a little to much 8 P ,can track me down. Started this channel today & went to open a Google+ to go with it to help promote it, that was before I read their policy. Not only did they want it on + also said it would put it on all G accounts & apps don't know if that includes YouTube, doesn't matter I +1 a video my name is associated with my YouTube name. Just a hop skip & a jump to my violated corpse from there 8 P
DBRproductions8P 2 weeks ago
I thought you're a boy!!!!!!!!! O.O
Cleric775 1 month ago
@Cleric775 He is.
Meikitatakikarim 3 weeks ago
point well made
86am 1 month ago
Zuckerberg is obviously an idiot.
LucisFerre1 1 month ago
How you get so smart, Zinnia?
Myzaru 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
anyone else think the audio doesn't quite match the video?
Influx27 2 months ago
very good. I agree.
masterkey14 3 months ago
Anonymity helps me be free to be myself.
Xel963 4 months ago
Young man, I hope you can find some help.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago
she's gone now!
halflifeproductionz 4 months ago
It is a fine line that is being cut here ZJ. Anonymity is a good and/or evil so chosen by its user. Unfortunately, with the net, most anonymity is being used for the evil, to hide the harm that those evil anonymous users want to cause. Eradicate anonymity? No, rather we who oppose cyber evils need to do a better job at making them, "The Chaos Net" not exist in our lives any more than they already are. But with that said, do most people care? In my estimation not very much.
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(cont) People can try and destroy the house that I have built, but even if they steal it, or destroy it, I will still fall asleep on some solid ground. I have no need to attack the anonymous evil net users the way I have been attacked, because once I do I am now one of them. See the destroyers as a means to climb higher, let them keep shooting, remember you aren't running, you seek a purpose, but they have a purpose to and they have chosen for it to be to attack not live.
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(cont 2) And I know the more I speak my mind the more I will be attacked, so be it. In this world today, if you speak out, a stranger, in the shadows of likes has never been seen in any age til now, has an arrow on you. I know exactly what world I am living in. Let them be cowards, (and some like to call it superior intelligence) but I for one can do without attacking others out of the shadows from a malice, vengeful place. Anyone can steal my identity but I still know who I am!
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Encore!
annedallen 5 months ago
@1:19 its free speech in its entirety. its an outlet 4 me, as so much of my life i must bite my tongue, lest i burn bridges, make friends not want 2 talk 2 me about something, or some other consequence. anonymity of the net has allowed me 2 meet a ton of awesome friends i otherwise never would hav :)
cruelbusiness1984 5 months ago
@1:19 its free speech in its entirety. its an outlet 4 me, as so much of my life i must bite my tongue, lest i burn bridges, make friends not want 2 talk 2 me about something, or some other consequence. anonymity of the net has allowed me 2 meet a ton of awesome friends i otherwise never would hav :)
cruelbusiness1984 5 months ago
ooo dark and spot on I like it :)
way2jaded1 5 months ago
Randy Zuckerberg wants internet anonymity to go away. Uh huh. And I'll bet Disneyland would like to make the park guests responsible for keeping the rides in good working order, but that's not going to happen either.
That fuckstick makes a billion dollars providing a public space and then wants to fuck with people to cut his own liability for what goes on there. He might just have to get over that if he wants to keep the checks coming in.
zEropoint68 5 months ago
I'm younger than you Zinnia, but I wanna be like you when I grow up. I love your rational, argued stances. Like Richard Dawkins says of Christopher Hitchens, "I'd rather hate to be on the other side of him" (paraphrase). Keep it honey!!
GuyDrezon 5 months ago
I'm younger than you Zinnia, but I wanna be like you when I grow up. I love your rational, argued stances. Like Richard Dawkins says of Christopher Hitchens, "I'd rather hate to be on the other side of him" (paraphrase). Keep it honey!!
GuyDrezon 5 months ago
wtf is evry 1 talking gay langae ?
msms47 5 months ago
I can't listen to what you're saying, I'm really confused....
suzannedrakie 5 months ago 2
Don't forget the NSA they can find out who you are anyway no matter what their screen name is,anonymity is a false security blanket if people want to find out who someone is it is as easy as making a complaint to law enforcement..
philosophicalreason 5 months ago
Interesting points made in this video. Given that there has been recent legal issues for websites with anonymous users spreading hate speech, I could foresee some form of identification of users who are encouraging or organizing violence and harassment on facebook, Youtube and any other web browsers/sites that are collecting personal data. I don't think it is necessary for the sites to release peoples identities to the general public. It's a matter for law enforcers not us.
Buntzums 5 months ago
fuck you randi, anonymous will never die!!
bakonfreek 5 months ago
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
blakeaasgaard 5 months ago
ALL HAIL ZJ!
hallowbe 5 months ago
Brilliant. Truth. Substance. Inspiring.
blakeaasgaard 6 months ago
You stay remarkably in the same place during the video, such that I can hardly tell when you cut.
Anyway. Yeah... I fully agree. Anonymity has its problems... so not everything should be anonymous. But it's downright necessary to have in some form.
klutterkicker 6 months ago
ZJ, I fully agree. In fact, I'd perhaps go even a step further and say that not only do people not care whether or not their identity is disclosed when making certain remarks.... Often times they even take pride in it. From offensive tweets to absurd youtube videos, they fully identify with their ideology - presenting themselves as 'hero's'. As people who are 'brave' enough to voice 'what everyone is thinking, but no one dares say'. Anonymity today is not a prerequisite for anserine behavior.
kasitera 6 months ago
Do two things for me please, blink...and develop facial musclues. Actually you could take off the lip stick and cut your hair while you are at it.
Hermoor 6 months ago
I’m the same on the internet as I am off the internet.
qwer58j 6 months ago
Perhaps Zuckerberg would like to eliminate the "secret ballot" so we can all know how everyone votes... (sarcasm)
nsx1com 6 months ago
My thoughts on this exactly. People who don't like anonymity don't like honest opinions.
And Zinna gets attacked by anonymous jackasses all time. So one might think out of all people she wouldn't support it. But obviously she's smarter than that.
You don't want to cut the tail off a rattlesnake or else you won't know when you're about to be bit.
bonesOfChaos 6 months ago
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qwer58j 6 months ago
is he/she a robot?
justinghawk 6 months ago
YOU ARE BRILLIANT AND HILARIOUS!
MikikiandGuest 6 months ago
WHAT ARE YOU
BEYOND ANDROGYNY
ggami7 6 months ago
Your Just So Awesome.
MichaelGim 6 months ago
Hmmm, oh! I know! Let's make kids personal information available to peadophiles on the internet!! Yeah!!
LotusPhoenix93 6 months ago
"... how horrible the human race truly is." I'm hopeful (maybe naively) that this is hyperbole. If not, maybe the analogy is complete, and you have become the abyss? One issue with anonymity is that it allows a tiny minority with high motivation to appear to have much greater support than is really the case. The proportion of dickheads here or in the comments of blogs is in no way a realistic sampling of the general population. [Maybe not 100% due to anon. or sock-puppetting, but still..]
WNydek 6 months ago
It would help to define the term 'horrible'. The most relevant remark to this video I could make about humanity in general is that all people are not of the same mind. However we get new ideas to contemplate is a boon to us. It seems vain to claim exclusive ownership of ideas. Anonymity is a way to give ideas away freely.
marasu66 6 months ago
ZJ ? are you deleting that vid ? please see my channel for explanation.
sorry if you dont like it.
nonyah100 6 months ago
well seeing as so many people online spit and yell at eachother with racism and stereotypes (like in some of ZJs videos) i can see why people wouldnt want antinomy. but also there are other good reasons for the other debate
MrMeineNamen 6 months ago
your ugly
OPL21stJS 6 months ago
Sorry to comment off-topic, but I just caught the Alex S. Glitch remix of the MLP theme from your favorited videos, and I liked it a LOT! I'm not a big MLP fan, but that was a wonderful remix, thank you for sharing!
ncasler 6 months ago
I've left thousands of comments all over since 2002, and I've picked up a few stalkers. Their goal isn't to discuss anything I've written but simply to shut me up. For an example of that - including an example of me finding out one of the perps - see this (involving a very popular blogger):
24ahead . com/n/9219
The issue isn't so much anonymity, it's those who hide behind anonymity to smear and harass.
LonewackoDotCom 6 months ago
I have disagreed with some peoples religious views and I am sure that if they could identify me I would be under physical threat.
Hyperplaterine 6 months ago
I respect your videos and some of your opinions, but you're lying to yourself if you can't see the fact that you're putting yourself up on this high horse that is completely unwarranted. You know your massive amount of haters are going to hate on every video, yet If you told me that reading their "ignorant" trash talk doesn't brighten your day, you would be lying to me. You get off on their hate as much as they get off on laughing at your videos. How long do you think you'll be a star online?
DoWnToWn4mW 6 months ago
I thought there was a man reading then I saw a woman in the next few seconds. Your voice is quite baritone Zinnia.
Helghast 6 months ago
@Helghast: more of an alto.
LonewackoDotCom 6 months ago
I know about SATB; I'm T2. ZJ's a tenor, like me, only more like a T1.
shackupyourstruly 6 months ago
zj , you really sound a little like that voice in "StarCraft 2 - Wraith Quotes " video. but ... meh... why not? go on.
workescapist 6 months ago
I don't even need to turn the audio on, just looking at your face makes me laugh. nice adam's apple. DRAGQUEENFAIL!
BobTheNecrophile 6 months ago
Makeup is for everyone, and anyone who can grow hair can grow it long.
marasu66 6 months ago
@marasu66 nah bro, you gay. I have long hair but I'm not about to put on lipstick and dress like a dragfag
BobTheNecrophile 6 months ago
If any of you do decide to wear makeup, learn how to apply it first so you don't look wind up looking like a child's fingerpainting.
shackupyourstruly 6 months ago
That's OK. Not everyone is courageous enough to take on that awesome challenge.
marasu66 6 months ago
@marasu66 self fail, I don't need to say anything, have a nice day sir.
BobTheNecrophile 6 months ago
Well said.
matthewakian2 6 months ago
You are a light, well done. I like anonymity, and I prefer not to troll. But, extreme views and dogma can limit my expression of my views by not wanting to be harassed. Social pressure can, also be a fascism that limits free speech of people seeking honest discussion and expression . With anonymity I can visit social groups that don't agree with me, just like anyone. Truth without suppression is reason being made reasonable.
JusticeIsWhere 6 months ago
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eleventhousandfour 6 months ago
you are beautiful
MaliciousMangos 6 months ago
Haha this guy is hilarious!
PERSONIFICATIONOFYAY 6 months ago
are you a boy or girl?
jtwith 6 months ago
You ask that as if it matters. There are about 320 videos attributed to ZJemptv. Sort them from oldest to newest, and figure it out for yourself.
shackupyourstruly 6 months ago
@shackupyourstruly I don't want to/have time to watch all of his/her videos.
jtwith 6 months ago
Start with a few.
shackupyourstruly 6 months ago
Neither has any bearing on what ZJ actually says.
marasu66 6 months ago
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Im gay and I hate Bisexual and so should you and all homesexuls why?
Because they ruined the whole it's not a choice defence.
phantonfan 6 months ago
lol traps
AndrewHume1 6 months ago
Exposition matters, not birthday suits.
shackupyourstruly 6 months ago
It's interesting how your voice goes up in pitch, then down for a while, then peaks up again for a second, and back down...
gator077 6 months ago
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I love how there are a people are using the anonymity feature you're discussing in this video right now in this very video's comments... it is nice to know that this is what people really want to say even if they might not say it in public or to your face or attached to their own names. It's often a little unsettling and upsetting, but it is informative like you said. Interesting points, Zinnia. I'd never really thought about this issue before. I agree with you completely. :D
luvtheheaven5 6 months ago
I have two YTids, and both often comment on the same videos-- not sock-puppet-like, though. One gets mirrored to FB. Both get mirrored to Twitter, but to different Twitids.
shackupyourstruly 6 months ago
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GleekyCollabs2 6 months ago
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FAGGOT FREAK
ROBOOT103 6 months ago
Here's another message to Zuckerberg : stop selling our datas to states.
SuikaYOU 6 months ago
Very well put.
MtlRedAtheist 6 months ago
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hanksnow82 6 months ago
If that's what you're interested in, then find us some champions of employment or other social changes, and report back to us.
shackupyourstruly 6 months ago
@zjempty Question: I have been working in IT for over a decade now and have off and on received Marie Clare magazine for much of my life. I may be misunderstanding but since when was Marie Clare an IT Journal? I can see how social aspects of the web effect Marie Clare readers as it relates to stalking and harassment, so I can see how they would hold a panel but am I thinking of another publication? or has Marie Clare gone into a whole other field? did you misspeak? or am missing something else
cristinarush 6 months ago
Perhaps they are an esteemed IT journal like Wile E. Coyote is a mechanical genius.
shackupyourstruly 6 months ago
you just made Zuckerberg your bitch.
Zontertes 6 months ago 5
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Shut up fag
MrHahachicken 6 months ago
Why should anyone be scared? Congress may make no law abridging the freedom of speech or of the press, but the rest of us could choose to 'abridge' them.
marasu66 6 months ago
Only the conformist requires the absence of anonymity, for the non conformist.
My silence is needed where I am, for the protection of the defenseless under my care. WHEN that is no longer the case I WILL risk my own life, via self expression, as it would be reckless and negligent for me to do so now. My dissent is not automatically wrong, just because it is dissent. But conformists would claim me as a criminal, and require that there be consequences to my not being a drone.
DonQuixotedeKaw 6 months ago in playlist A-4-V
THANK YOU!
hownekromantik 6 months ago
I just watched the rest of your vid and it's even better than the beginning. I don't care if you don't believe in or don't understand or don't like God, God bless you.
7Highlander 6 months ago
Amazingly well thought out and presented video. I was kind of undecided about the issue. Not anymore. Thanks for posting this.
memonk11 6 months ago
..Besides, the very idea of interfering with peoples free speech, through societal intimidation (which is what Zuckerbergs' suggestion would actually cause), is just frankly icky -I don't know how else to put it. Its true: people do not speak as Gentile online as they do in public; people speak differently at home as well - should we put big brother cameras in everyones home?BTW I'm curious, has Ms. Zuckerberg ever said anything in private or in emails or on the net that she wouldn't in public?
7Highlander 6 months ago
Great Video; I honestly don't get how anyone could disagree with what you're saying, but apparently some do. Anonymity (even though it's only perceived and anyone can find out who anyone is) is extremely important. The internet has become an extension of our social interaction environment. As such, it would be no more morally correct to strip it of its anonymity than it would to strip a persons house of its anonymity. Besides, the idea...continued..
7Highlander 6 months ago
@ZJemptv wow I haven't seen a video by you in a long time. It's nice to see you again.
dragondeth48 6 months ago
Zinnia, I couldn't agree more. Great video! Keep up the good work!
TranscendentBiscuit 6 months ago
Anonymity is a double-edged sword. 'Nuff said.
KoboFox 6 months ago
The mandatory use of real names will give the government the control over the internet. The internet was created with the purpose of anonymity and the ability to go around the control of governmental authority. The internet was also created for the purpose of communication without revealing oneself, which means used to be available to people by means of newspapers and anonymous publishing. Now that this form of communication has been virtually done away with, the only means of anonymous
journeyer58 6 months ago
communication remaining is the internet. If this kind of control is forced on the people, we will lose the rights of free speech and the government will then control all means of communication available to the people. Fight this kind of control and creeping control of our rights with everything that you know to do. If not, then sit back and enjoy the propaganda machine that is the mass media. Whether fascist, communist, far right wing, left wing or anything in between you'll lose your rights.
journeyer58 6 months ago
Is this a dyke or a trap............?
MrSheissen1 6 months ago
@MrSheissen1 i saw a few of her early videos, it appears that she is a trap.
henrycazaux 6 months ago
@henrycazaux Ah, thank you kind sir. I like to at least kind of know what Im fapping to.
MrSheissen1 6 months ago
Sexi mofo
SlyFly101 6 months ago
So ZJ is just a male who thinks he's a lesbian? Damn and i thought ((I)) was confused!! WOW Although I do sometimes wish I was a lesbian; a hot lipstick lesbian. ;D
cuttingedgecomix 6 months ago
IT cant be a lesbian...HES Not genetincly a boy therefor its immpossible to be lesbian HE has the genes of a boy has a dick HE Can get parts removed change his voice look like a girl how ever much still truly is a GUY Lesbian:a woman whose emotional, romantic, and sexual energies are geared towards other women. So there for HES a Homo because Hes a Guy.Yet HES with a girl? Im thinking Transvestite who likes girls? Im glad i could teach you all something today.
Typhoon800 6 months ago
Ok, I lied. Lol. last point. I have an email listed on my now disabled profile which I have never used anywhere else, yet daily it fills with spam from FB advertisers. I have had all the right boxes ticked to prevent this, and still it comes. I also receive blank emails which correspond to notifications from groups and pages I STARTED which I can no longer access. Nor can I change my email preferences. This now represents 60% of my inbox with no way of stopping it.
calverz 6 months ago
One last point; the further irony is that I remain active on FB using a wholly fake profile as a result of this policy. Due to medical issues FB is pretty much my life line to the outside world and I've now lost contact with 240 friends, some of whom I've known for over three decades.
calverz 6 months ago
I have my Facebook page on my business cards. I've asked them to reimburse me, but all they do is demand scans of documents that I wouldn't mail to my bank! Ironically my press card is in my name 'as known' but doesn't have my date of birth on it, and is therefore unacceptable.
calverz 6 months ago
Damned straight, but I have been banned for using the name by which everyone knows me by. I'm a writer and artist - how many celebrities use their real name? I know of several who have a page with their stage name, and then talk to their friends under yet another fake name.
calverz 6 months ago
Awesome earring!
loner1878 6 months ago
I find that the level of insight you show within certain topics is very hard to come across. Great job
ClintSevilla 6 months ago
Also, as an aside - you, Zinnia Jones, are my absolute favorite Youtuber.
PaulineTriage 6 months ago
Of COURSE someone with a vested interest in a widely-used social network would say they're against anonymity. Full disclosure would give them access to all the stuff they'd like to be able to sell to advertisers.
PaulineTriage 6 months ago
hey do u really just do these long talks off the top of ur head or do u like write this stuff down and work on it and present it in the video
jamalie100 6 months ago
Zinnia, it's only due to watching Ashley's vlog, that I've been fortunate to see your reply to Randi. You are quite attractive, and erudite. It's great to know that people like you and Ashley and Erin are in this world. When one has to deal with all kinds of meaness, evil (and this is by someone who has been given all kinds of help; I even loved her once upon a time). You girls help make my life worth living!!!-lol-krw
DenasMomma 6 months ago
You make great points here, but you should have just printed the essay that you wrote and are reading here, not put it on Youtube as a vlog. Some of us still like to read, you know. You are standing still, using a monotone. It's a huge disservice to the medium, which in turn is a huge disservice to your message. If it was text, we could internalize your words, make them our own. You could get in my brain rather than tripping over my speakers and falling flat on my desk.
michzimmerman 6 months ago
Let's say there was a religion in the world that was so vile, that many of its members felt it was their duty to murder anyone who would dare speak against its barbaric misogynistic sacred writings and prophet that was a pedophile and a mass murderer. If we aren't free to anonymously present our case against this horrific religion, then we make ourselves martyrs if we dare try and be an instrument of change in this dark world. That's why the internet must remain anonymous: to bring reform.
exodus21v20 6 months ago
@exodus21v20
That is all "christian " or "Muslim" religions . Moat civilized people choose to ignore it but the "good book says"
"cut off the head of the non believer"
torrid426 6 months ago
Zinnia for president.
shadowmua1 6 months ago 2
I like anonymity mainly because I'm shy. Your video gave me some things to think about that I hadn't considered before. Thanks!
g0me3 6 months ago
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."
-Oscar Wilde
Brilliant video.
Lycanthr0py 6 months ago 2
Bingo, ZJ. And what this moron calls "incivility" is not a real problem--it is a solution. The whole premise to opposing anonymity is completely backwards, because it is the stance of cowards who don't want to be inconvenienced by the expression of ideas they find unpalatable. They are pining for thought police to come and save them from a world they find to be too diverse for comfort.
kingthamus 6 months ago
Girl, you keep hitting the nail on the head! Good for you and thank you for speaking out.
Edelweiss1424 6 months ago
I love your views.
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
You need to take a breath every now and then.
I find myself having to pause your video just so that my mind can breath you know what I mean ?
Bracerjack 6 months ago
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fuck this faggot has an annoying voice. enjoy your aids nigger .
Osamabindansker 6 months ago
Thank you so much, ZJ! I know the horrible things people say to you and I know either the "Zinnia" or the "Jones" probably isn't real. People want to KILL you because of your unpopular speech. How is it productive to make you give these assholes your address? That's like saying "Shut up or die." and that's just against the first amendment. Furthermore, how do they expect to enforce this? You try to get a log in, you put a fake name and it says "No, your real name"? The internet wouldn't know!
DepressedAnnnie 6 months ago 2
What I say behind your back: "I wonder if ZJ gives us new pieces of information about her gender just to keep us guessing and jumping to conclusions because it gives her a thrill and/or is part of an experiment she is doing for a big-ass psych thesis."
ThatGuyYouArent2 6 months ago
What do I say behind your back? Probably things like "If I was single, I would SOOO go out with ZJ."
Shadowmib 6 months ago
Best case use of anonymity... someone works someplace they don't really like, but must work there for lack of other job opportunities. They hold a position of some society viewed "respect".. in that role they have no personal life as their life on and off the job is always under scrutiny; yet, they wish to be heard, to have their thoughts known, and possibly inform others of some fact that now is but doesn't have to be, they can institute change through anonymity
oldhipp13 6 months ago
we need net neutrality
Curas1 6 months ago
I would point out also that anonymity protects and fosters free speech for those who dissent from the social norm. Express the "wrong" opinion about islam, scientology or christianity and your life could be in danger. Or your kids could be harassed at school. Try speaking out publicly about mormons in Utah. Not safe.
Stand up against the Klan in the rural south - if you feel suicidal.
Some people have valuable, worthwhile and informative opinions that they could never openly express.
UnEasyOne 6 months ago
Great video, very well said. I have nothing more to add other than your hair is looking lush :) ~PG~
PaganGlade 6 months ago
Astro turf! :D
Amashkitotamoes 6 months ago
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CROSS DRESSING FAG
ROBOOT103 6 months ago
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ROBOOT103 6 months ago
"How horrible the human race truly is"
Sorry, that is IMHO an unacceptable statement: "Horrible" is only your judgment on certain actions of certain people or groups of people. The human race is not horrible, all in all we are a pretty interesting species.
ric4567 6 months ago
I agree though I put my face on youtube I don't want people to know where I live or my phone number that's too personal and there are a shit load of nut jobs out there that'd hurt for you for being against their religion.
MistressArte 6 months ago
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your argument isn't coherent. first, you say that anonymity is necessary to expose how hideous humans actually are but then go on to say that real names do nothing to stop displays of ignorance (etc, etc, etc). this incongruence aside, we hardly need anonymity to repeatedly show us what we already know. the idea that we need real names attached to online behavior is a response to this knowledge, not an attempt to cover it up. indeed, awareness of this horror is nothing new.
originaljonesdotinfo 6 months ago
@originaljonesdotinfo The example that real names do not stop displays of ignorance etc. was used to directly oppose Zuckerberg's point. The example given of anonymity was a benefit ehich it can confer, amongst many others (e.g. speaking out on issues you are under real world pressure not to talk about).
You are comparing two separate things, which is incoherent.
Intiom 6 months ago
@originaljonesdotinfo Actually, this just shows that the expectation that use of real names will make people act decently is not something that holds true in practice, and without that justification, mandatory use of real names is just superfluous and comes with serious costs attached.
ZJemptv 6 months ago 21
@ZJemptv the 'serious cost', if i follow your argument, is that people won't express their genuine thoughts out of fear of stigma, thereby depriving us of a full view of the hideous nature of humanity. is there some other cost you've put forward? that particular cost is directly countered by your argument that real names will not keep people from acting out of their inner demons.
originaljonesdotinfo 6 months ago
@originaljonesdotinfo Exposing people's real names can pose a danger to them. I explained that very clearly. People on Facebook feel comfortable expressing their prejudice in what they believe is a private setting, regardless of the fact that their real names are available. They believe it to be a setting of relative anonymity, yet it is still attached to their names and they're fully aware of this. This supports my arguments, not yours.
ZJemptv 6 months ago 17
@originaljonesdotinfo You know nothing about what you are talking about, and I feel stupider having read your argument.
KidVinnay 6 months ago
@ZJemptv I have messaged you numerous times trying to get you to make a video about the rampant racism in the LGTB community. I e-mailed numerous other bloggers about it as well but think you are the most caring of all the ones I know and was really hoping you would tackle it.I understand that it's alien to the vast, vast majority of white LGTB community because they obviously don't experience it but I will tell you that if you took a survey you would see that most non white LGTB members know it
EarlRegent 6 months ago
@ZJemptv It's even more common than it is in the rest of society. One would think one minority group would be more tolerant of another. Others have argued that there is a lot of homophobia in the non white community as well. I am sure there is but remember. A non white gay,lesbian,bisexual or transgender person is a minority within a minority and life dose not get any suckier than that. The last thing we need is slurs, exclusion and ridicule from the community which we regularly receive.
EarlRegent 6 months ago
@ZJemptv that, i agree with. it seemed to me you spoke at some length about how real names would conceal the true horror of humanity, though you're now denying it will. i agree that use of real names won't mask the horror, which is well known in any case. i also agree that real names present a danger, given the insane level of vitriol that dominates online. still, to the extent that i follow your point about concealing the horror, i don't see how you haven't contradicted it.
originaljonesdotinfo 6 months ago
@originaljonesdotinfo Both are true to an extent, but it's because both are the result of the same underlying principle. People on Facebook will more openly say things like that in what they believe to be a private context, because they still think they're relatively unknown (just the same as with anonymous posting); it's more limited and nobody will particularly care what they say anyway. Yet their real names are still associated with this and it doesn't stop them until it's publicly exposed.
ZJemptv 6 months ago 4
@ZJemptv that's an interesting distinction. i don't think it's true that nobody will particularly care what they say anyway, but fbook certainly insulates to some extent against the insane rage that obtains in 'pure public.' the interesting question, to my mind, that Zuckerberg's comments point at is whether or not the pure public space can be humanized. your position, if i follow, is 'no' and therefore anonymity is necessary. i'm sympathetic to this position, though still considering.
originaljonesdotinfo 6 months ago
@ZJemptv You all seem to be ignoring the point that anonymity is a right and not a privilege. Witness anonymity of voting in general elections as well as in parliamentary voting procedures.
I would have praised your monologue (and you in my usual effusive way) but am restrained by your comments on your blog, or some such, regarding what you called ‘sycophants.’ For once you were wrong.
azzy314159 6 months ago
@originaljonesdotinfo In the end, I don't want to have to tell everyone who I am or where I am. I don't like the fact that someone could do a search on me (If randy had his way) and could find out whatever they want. "If" I had children I also wouldn't want all of what they do online open for people to know about. I don't want people to know that they are kids. Everyone should be free to forfeit their right to privacy, but they shouldn't have the power to forfeit the rights of others.
Superroovejero 6 months ago
YES. Zinnia is, as per usual, totally and completely right.
royceicon 6 months ago
I don't use my real name on face book, saves me trouble of talkign to reletives and old school mates I care not to communicate with
nights22003 6 months ago
I think that's a pretty shallow definition of cyber-bullying.
zippomage 6 months ago
I find it ironic that her brother would be such a talented hacker who has studied among those who value anonymity as highly as they do access to information yet she speaks openly of creating a gatekeeper ability that would allow Big Brother and indeed anyone with the necessary skills to track, manipulate, intimidate and otherwise govern the way we think and communicate. The internet was created for the open sharing of ideas if someone has to fear because what they said is public it stifles this.
cristinarush 6 months ago
Outstanding!
MillaJanick 6 months ago
ZJ, well said, as usual. Now we just wait for the trolls and haters to pass their ignorant judgements and stupidities, and then enjoy the intelligent commenters! Same ol' same ol'. I particularly love the "is he gay" trolls!!! Looks like we already have some of those now. Cool !!! Carry on ZJ !
cjay2 6 months ago
It's all about control.
deepashtray 6 months ago
hmm-I would have to agree-though in response do you ever breath while talking? I mean it was just all connected together with no pause or change in scenery. If your trying to get the attention of ignorant people you need flashing lights and slow moving text. Lol Just thought I would point that out.
Criophix 6 months ago
You talk like a robot wow
LauraWolvesx 6 months ago
Word. - George Elliot
socrates856 6 months ago
I put my real information on my online accounts,and i still say whatever i want,but i do not believe that everyone has to be like me.
brianhar100 6 months ago
Zinnia, I admire your ability to put together an argument and cut past the bullshit
oldcomic1 6 months ago
The great thing about you tube is what people would say behind your back is said via the comments for you and all to see. Stupid things said about your arguments can be refuted. Valid disagreements with your own point of view can be considered and shape your understanding of a subject. I think full blown anonymity is great.
estragon9 6 months ago
@CBlargh Wouldnt removing annoyminity from the internet jst push them underground? Sure we may identify a few but after a while people will get the idea and jst hide their ideas until they bubble over in an uncontrolled way or they would just not use the internet.
shandcunt 6 months ago
Great Video man, really awesome.
The internet is a giant repository of information but good and bad, why would oyu want to limit peoples access to information?
shandcunt 6 months ago
Randi and facebook et al are nothing more than corporate whores toeing the line dictated to them. Big Business wants all anonymity gone to solidify control of the internet - they know who you are so they can bill you, or silence you at will. Keep up the good fight ZJ.
rkcoon 6 months ago
I often mock and deride those who flip their shit over things like the TSA's airport security measures and Facebook's face recognition system, but seeking to eliminate anonymity on the Internet in the name of civility is retarded beyond my comprehension.
Saerain 6 months ago
Now I'm glad I never got involved in Facebook. if a fucking SIGHT FOUNDER supports neither people's right to privacy nor Free speech, then why should I use his network? What? So I can just show my face and never share any of my controversial opinions? I can do that in real life.
dechha1981 6 months ago
I am an enormous lizard.
pittbullking87 6 months ago