@chyna7702 OH and to answer your question. :-) A friend of ours drafted the wording for the covenant for us, and personalized it for us specifically. Instead of exchanging rings to seal our vows, we signed our covenant, and our witnesses signed it, too. It's framed and hanging in our house. :-)
@chyna7702 yeah, that's one thing that we ran into when we first decided to opt out of the marriage license - there's very little information out there! So, that's why we wanted to share our process so that it would bring awareness, and hopefully be helpful to others who are contemplating a similar path. We've had to make some sacrifices since the state doesn't recognize our marriage, but for us - it's WELL worth not having the state as a partner in our covenant!!
@chyna7702 Also, thanks so much for asking! If you want to know more about the covenant wedding, we created a booklet for our ceremony and compiled some other resources, which can be found at carolinaliberty [dot] com [/] resources [dot] php. We wish you the best of luck!
@chyna7702 I guess it depends on which lawful authority you recognize. :-) But also, to add to what Cliff says below, we believed strongly that it is not up to the state to grant permission or 'license' our marriage to make it valid. Marriage is a sacred covenant, not a contract. So, simply put - the unlawful (i.e. de facto) state does not recognize our marriage. But God does. And ultimately, that's what matters. -Sara
Ok I have a question, I would like to be married this way w/o state license so did you print that covenant, just sign it, and keep it or do you record it with the state as a legal binding document with a notary signature?
@chyna7702 My wife and I hold strong to the idea that the responsibility of marriage record-keeping has always belonged to the church, not the state. This method is indeed the 'legal' method, though not largely accepted today.
@muncyweb This makes sense, I was just concerned b/c I read somewhere that in order to obey the law thats what one would do. Thanks for helping me some
@chyna7702 I guess it depends on which lawful authority you recognize. :-) But also, to add to what Cliff says below, we believed strongly that it is not up to the state to grant permission or 'license' our marriage to make it valid. Marriage is a sacred covenant, not a contract. So, simply put - the unlawful (i.e. de facto) state does not recognize our marriage. But God does. And ultimately, that's what matters. -Sara
@sarasays81 thanks so much for responding, I'm still trying to sort all of this out to where I can defend myself I guess b/c no one that I know is even thinking about stuff like this. It's all mind control and I'm trying to be renew in my mind like Romans 12 instructs us to. So how did you draft up that covenant? Did you just do it yourself on a pc?
@chyna7702 I guess it depends on which lawful authority you recognize. :-) But also, to add to what Cliff says below, we believed strongly that it is not up to the state to grant permission or 'license' our marriage to make it valid. Marriage is a sacred covenant, not a contract. So, simply put - the unlawful (i.e. de facto) state does not recognize our marriage. But God does. And ultimately, that's what matters. -Sara
@chyna7702 Our state entered into the American Union by military force. Citing the unconstitutionality of Reconstruction, the jurisdiction of the current state governments is not valid. So the majority of laws passed after Reconstruction are null and void.
@chyna7702 We simply printed our covenant and then we, along with witnesses and Pastor Lightner signed it at the ceremony. We recognize jurisdiction of the de jure (lawful) state of North Carolina, which was re-established in 1997 (the NCAR, search web for America's Remedy and John Ainsworth). This all sounds a bit "kooky" at first, but it has a VERY solid foundation in law. Search YouTube for NCAR - John Ainsworth and watch all 9 videos.
@chyna7702 We simply printed our covenant and then we, along with witness and the pastor signed it at the ceremony. We recognize jurisdiction of the de jure (lawful) state of North Carolina, which was re-established in 1997. This all sounds a bit "kooky" at first, but it has a VERY solid foundation in law. You can find NCAR - John Ainsworth and watch all 9 videos.
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@chyna7702 OH and to answer your question. :-) A friend of ours drafted the wording for the covenant for us, and personalized it for us specifically. Instead of exchanging rings to seal our vows, we signed our covenant, and our witnesses signed it, too. It's framed and hanging in our house. :-)
sarasays81 1 year ago
@chyna7702 yeah, that's one thing that we ran into when we first decided to opt out of the marriage license - there's very little information out there! So, that's why we wanted to share our process so that it would bring awareness, and hopefully be helpful to others who are contemplating a similar path. We've had to make some sacrifices since the state doesn't recognize our marriage, but for us - it's WELL worth not having the state as a partner in our covenant!!
sarasays81 1 year ago
@chyna7702 Also, thanks so much for asking! If you want to know more about the covenant wedding, we created a booklet for our ceremony and compiled some other resources, which can be found at carolinaliberty [dot] com [/] resources [dot] php. We wish you the best of luck!
sarasays81 1 year ago
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@chyna7702 I guess it depends on which lawful authority you recognize. :-) But also, to add to what Cliff says below, we believed strongly that it is not up to the state to grant permission or 'license' our marriage to make it valid. Marriage is a sacred covenant, not a contract. So, simply put - the unlawful (i.e. de facto) state does not recognize our marriage. But God does. And ultimately, that's what matters. -Sara
sarasays81 1 year ago
Ok I have a question, I would like to be married this way w/o state license so did you print that covenant, just sign it, and keep it or do you record it with the state as a legal binding document with a notary signature?
chyna7702 1 year ago
@chyna7702 My wife and I hold strong to the idea that the responsibility of marriage record-keeping has always belonged to the church, not the state. This method is indeed the 'legal' method, though not largely accepted today.
muncyweb 1 year ago
@muncyweb This makes sense, I was just concerned b/c I read somewhere that in order to obey the law thats what one would do. Thanks for helping me some
chyna7702 1 year ago
@chyna7702 I guess it depends on which lawful authority you recognize. :-) But also, to add to what Cliff says below, we believed strongly that it is not up to the state to grant permission or 'license' our marriage to make it valid. Marriage is a sacred covenant, not a contract. So, simply put - the unlawful (i.e. de facto) state does not recognize our marriage. But God does. And ultimately, that's what matters. -Sara
sarasays81 1 year ago
@sarasays81 thanks so much for responding, I'm still trying to sort all of this out to where I can defend myself I guess b/c no one that I know is even thinking about stuff like this. It's all mind control and I'm trying to be renew in my mind like Romans 12 instructs us to. So how did you draft up that covenant? Did you just do it yourself on a pc?
chyna7702 1 year ago
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@chyna7702 I guess it depends on which lawful authority you recognize. :-) But also, to add to what Cliff says below, we believed strongly that it is not up to the state to grant permission or 'license' our marriage to make it valid. Marriage is a sacred covenant, not a contract. So, simply put - the unlawful (i.e. de facto) state does not recognize our marriage. But God does. And ultimately, that's what matters. -Sara
sarasays81 1 year ago
@chyna7702 Our state entered into the American Union by military force. Citing the unconstitutionality of Reconstruction, the jurisdiction of the current state governments is not valid. So the majority of laws passed after Reconstruction are null and void.
muncyweb 1 year ago
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@chyna7702 We simply printed our covenant and then we, along with witnesses and Pastor Lightner signed it at the ceremony. We recognize jurisdiction of the de jure (lawful) state of North Carolina, which was re-established in 1997 (the NCAR, search web for America's Remedy and John Ainsworth). This all sounds a bit "kooky" at first, but it has a VERY solid foundation in law. Search YouTube for NCAR - John Ainsworth and watch all 9 videos.
muncyweb 1 year ago
@chyna7702 We simply printed our covenant and then we, along with witness and the pastor signed it at the ceremony. We recognize jurisdiction of the de jure (lawful) state of North Carolina, which was re-established in 1997. This all sounds a bit "kooky" at first, but it has a VERY solid foundation in law. You can find NCAR - John Ainsworth and watch all 9 videos.
muncyweb 1 year ago
@chyna7702 Sorry for so many replies. YouTube keeps marking my comments as spam. Just FYI, muncyweb is my other username on here. Look for my replies under that username.
CarolinaLiberty 1 year ago