The Authenticity of the Bible - Part 1 - Josh McDowell

[debrainwasher1]

Did Jesus get crucified before or after the passover meal was eaten ? It depends which gospel you read.

[1withiam]

In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god, come unto me and I will give you life.let there be..light ...

[1withiam]

That's babel not babe

[1withiam]

People, come out of babe and live...

[1withiam]

I can't believe that you searched so deeply,yet you did'nt notice that bible prophecy:old testament does not speak of anyone name Jesus

[SpeakaDaEnglish]

I always liked him. 

[bramachari]

The whole man on the street "duh, I don't tink da bible's reliable" is lame.  Josh has made a career our of boxing tomato cans.

[bramachari]

ETDAV is nothing but a massive term paper crammed with straw man argumentation. The book is so thick, it makes you want to believe it must be true. . ."why would anyone compile such a thick book if they didn't know what they were talking about?"

[bramachari]

For the bait-and-switch he engages in he should be bitch-slapped.

[ColossusShade]

I took a quick skim over his book, and it's so full of logical fallacies. It makes me sick that someone would do so much traveling and hard work only to make the feeblest of logical fallacies.

[majorl311]

I have found the more versions of the Bible that they come out with the more is lost ,the NIV and the Living Bible water down the word!

[ndzoko]

The bible is as authentic as " Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves " Period.

[AgApE010]

@ndzoko

"Period."

Sure, because you're some authority on this matter. Thus what you say closes the case, right? Imbecile...

[ndzoko]

@AgApE010 Imbecile : Idefy you to produce ONE piece of irrefutable evidence for the salvation story. I defy you to provide evidence for anything in the bible, except the existence and location of certain towns, and buildings(like the temple ) The existence of a couple historical figures and some customs. I am waiting IMBECILE.

[AgApE010]

@ndzoko

On the contrary, you are the one asserting that the authenticity of the Bible, which in your last comment you seemed to have narrowed down to the four Gospels, is only as authentic as the Arabic fictional literature about Ali Baba. Therefore, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate, reason, and provide evidence for your assertion.

[ndzoko]

@AgApE010 IMBECILE : you put the carriage in front of the horse. You have a 3,000 year old book written by ignorant goat-fuckers, which you claim to have the truth. You have the burden to proof that it is true. If I claim to have seen a flying rabbit.. do i ask YOU to prove me wrong ?

[AgApE010]

@ndzoko

So you don't seem to understand, then, that the one making the assertion is the one with the burden of proof. I didn't even claim that I believe the Bible. At this point, I might be an atheist. I questioned your seemingly dubious claim that the Gospels are only as authentic as the fictional Arabic literature about Ali Baba. YOU made that claim, not me. Thus, YOU need to support your claim.

[ulitheslyrproduction]

Awesome Video!! Thanks for sharing it!

[IdaSputum]

YET AGAIN Peter Joseph is proved to be a LIAR with a "Scientific Method" of LYING!

SHITEGEIST AGAINDUMB is NWO disinfo claiming to be NON-religious yet PJs' main sources are from renowned Satanist authors using distorted 'MYTHS' from1000+yrs AFTER Jesus!

IM NOTreligious

JESUS IS NOT RELIGION. - He's a HISTORICAL ANTI-BANKER REVOLUTIONARY MAN!

SHITEtHEIST takes religion of Satanism VERY seriously! Venus=Star of Satan Bankers quest for CONTROL is NOT helped if people know of a REVOLUTIONARY!

[TheXtianVleeger]

The longest intro EVER!

[glovlisse]

Not everybody is going to believe what the bible says is true, but those whose life has changed because of it have proof that God exists. I tell you this because I used to think that this was a lie until a friend of mine was talking about God and inside me I felt something changed and my life was not the same ever since. That truth NOBODY can take it away from me because that same change I have seen in millions of people around the world that took the decision to live for Christ.

[tallliza]

@glovlisse The same thing happens in other religions. Personal experiences prove nothing. Enjoy the fantsy while it lasts. Something to ponder !! One of the last prayers of mother Theresa.... God , IF YOU EXIST, have mercy on me. An imaginary lover, who never shows up, satisfies the human craving for love only for so long.

[IdaSputum]

@tallliza Well LUCKY ME! JESUS arrived for ME!! I feel sorry for you, but really think you should learn to speak for yourself ONLY, otherwise you look like stupid. As NOBODY can speak for others unless they LIE.

[tallliza]

@IdaSputum Did I speak for somebody else , Kid ? Too bad you have nothing else to talk about but yourself . Me, myself and I. right ?

[wachnathan]

No thanks i am born atheist its my human nature sorry!

[mcarbone80]

Is it just me or is this guy a complete douche bad?

[Thunderwing88]

This guy is either an idiot or a plant.

[LUH1214]

Belief does not create truth. Unbelief does not destroy truth.

[aguteempasil]

the words authenticity and bible together is an oxymoron. Josh Mcdowell is either a liar, or incredibly credulous.

[EntinludeX]

@aguteempasil "Either"? He's quite obviously both credulous and a liar.

[aguteempasil]

@EntinludeX you are quite possibly right my friend.

[mku17ra]

Yup. I'm going to get accurate information regarding the authenticity of a religious document from the same people who preach it.

The title should be "I know the bible is accurate & irrefutable, because is the word of god"

These guys take advantage of the fact that history is messy, and that by omitting a lot facts, incongruities, and chronological errors, you can manipulate opinion to validate a religion. Ask a man of a different judeo-x denomination and history gets revised again.

[ExtantFrodo]

1:25 of intro credits?

[LordBLB]

"Truth always changes"

What's true is true. Otherwise, it's either a lie, or an assumption. As a "law student", you'd think this guy would know that.

"believed Earth was flat, now they believe it's round"

Used to BELIEVE it was flat. Now they KNOW it's round

Quote: "The Church says that the Earth is flat, but I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow on the moon and I have more faith in the Shadow than in the Church." - Ferdinand Megellan.

This guy needs to read more.

[lauradreamerprincess]

@LordBLB I think you should heed more on what he is saying!You are distorting what Josh McDowell said,about the truth related to the earth,in fact the human perspective on this issue!The human perspective changes,but the truth remain immuable.Lord bless you.

[LordBLB]

@lauradreamerprincess "human perspective changes, but the truth remains"

There no 'truth' that you know, that I don't. If you think there's some supernatural sky daddy watching over you, you need to bring proof to the discussion to prove it. Otherwise, I will rightly label you as a crackpot until you prove what you claim. The burden of proof lies with those making the claim. If I told you I have an invisible magical fairy in my closet that grants all my wishes, would you believe me? Same thing.

[lauradreamerprincess]

@LordBLB Ok!I am happy for you and for your fairy!Maybe she will help you to see your bathroom in other colors!Maybe it will be very helpful to you in other circumstances also!Lol!And as I notice you were using an inapropriate word :crackpot.I haven't offended you as you were doing!Not only you are not able to communicate your ideeas in a civilized way but you are offending people!What more can i ask from you!

[LordBLB]

@lauradreamerprincess "happy for you & your fairy!"

I did not claim such. I asked if you would accept it. So you see the irony in what silliness YOU claim. Good. I have no need to press my point further.

"offending people"

I am offending by fakes and story tellers that tell me I'm going to burn in hell for not buying the bullshit they are selling. Forgive me for hating LAIRS...

"truth"

Again. There is nothing in this video that can be considered anything other than speculation. Period.

[kittycatcarley]

@LordBLB Is your problem with Christianity or with what the Bible says/ the existence/ non existence of God? Because it seems like you have a problem with Christianity (as do we all), which is, of course fine, but most Christians do not represent their faith. The Christian faith is not meant to be a religion and those who make it so are usually the ones everyone has a problem with.

[LordBLB]

@kittycatcarley "is your problem with Xtianity"

Not quite. My problem is with people selling bullshit and trying to pass it off as 'fact'. I have a problem with ALL religions, as well as all claims that state something ridiculous (such as most religious people's definition of 'God'). I can say the same about fairies, trolls, and ogres too. They all fall into the category for me, that should simply be laughed at. Most probably belong in a padded cell to be honest...

[kittycatcarley]

@LordBLB I agree. To an extent. People lie/ are in denial every day and the best thing is to ignore it. I mean, you can't change it, there will always be more idiots in the world than intelligent people. People will always have different "truths" so to speak, and to disagree with that is natural. If everyone had the same definition of reality, the world would be a pretty dull place :)

[vryc]

@kittycatcarley um, if we don't have a unanimous definition of reality or what is real then there can be no debate... about anything real. However, since we interact, since we're intelligent and require language to relate to each other on more than just superficial or non-rational emotional levels then we must define our reality. To do otherwise seems self evidently counter-productive.

[kittycatcarley]

@vryc You have obviously not thought much about the subject of reality. :)

[lauradreamerprincess]

@LordBLB I shall give you at least one example from medicine as I am a GP!And if you would have payed attention at this video you have already an example here:a truth and different human perspectives!

[lauradreamerprincess]

@LordBLB sorry for my misspelling :the truth remains immuable.

[brettever1]

@Treeeeenaful actually Josh's Ministry is under the umbrella of Campus Crusade for Christ and he signed over all of his book royalties to go back to Campus Crusade many years ago. you may want to check facts before throwing them out there.

[Treeeeenaful]

@brettever1 hehe that is what they tell you but only a portion of the money get sent and they get the rest...How do i know well my moms best friend tell me these things cause she works for these programs that handle the money for things liek Campus for Crusade so there are some facts for you

[brettever1]

@Treeeeenaful your moms best friend does not handle the money for josh. all that is handled in-house at his office in Richardson, Tx. if you call to order a book, you call the ministry. i used to help fulfill orders.. and helped move some stuff to his house. Trust me, he is not living a life of luxury if that is your point. he is an author and does get pd. like any other person who does work, but his research is 100% true weather he makes any money or not.

[Treeeeenaful]

@brettever1 You nor him can say anything is a 100% true unless he adds all the all the scripture not lin the "Bible",Like the Gospel of Thomas,Gospel of Philip,Acts of Pete ect....Just cause they fall under the i dont agree with these categorie.They are Gospel none the less.The "Bible" not only has over 50 different version but has been translated to death and when you translate from one langage to another you change the meaning.

[Treeeeenaful]

I have been to many Churches when i was Christain and they are all different and all worship different,diferent "Bibles" so how can anyone say anything on the Authenticity of a Book,that there are so many versions of and isnt in its original language.Im not putting him down for his research or knowledge,I am saying he cant be 100% sure on something,it is wrong to claim so

[brettever1]

@Treeeeenaful what do you mean by "different versions" of the Bible? As far as i know there is 1 version of the Bible in many different translations. Different religions may have their own "version" of the Bible including writings of more modern authors with "new revelations" but there are not 50 versions of the Bible.

[brettever1]

@Treeeeenaful ok, i didn't communicate that correctly - i did't mean the Bible is 100% true, although i believe it is, but everything he says is written in his book "evidence that demands a verdict" & verifiable the texts are there & none of the extra-biblical books disprove Josh's research.

[brettever1]

@Treeeeenaful Of course there are those that disagree with the biblical writers, gnostics, and of course gnostic writings are not included in a work of "Christian" writing, the Bible, just like gnostics will not include christian writing in their books - there is 1 version of The Bible in many translations. It is translated from Hebrew to English and Greek to English, not so much "translated to death"

[Treeeeenaful]

@brettever1 by translations u mean in different languages...not what i am saying in english there are over 50 different versions and yes they are different when u change one word it makes it different and changes the understanding and meaning.So yes in English there are over 50 different version and no matter how u try to make it sound,The question is Why so many of the same thing said in a different way.Should be one way in full.Simple

[Treeeeenaful]

Wow same crap diferent Christian no wonder i have never heard of him.I wonder how much he made from his books and talks he gives??HMM

[whitedragonawa]

@Treeeeenaful How much money does Richard Dawkins and Carl Sagen and any other athiest make from their books? HMMM

[Treeeeenaful]

@whitedragonawa And most likely alot,My son is or at least thinks he is an athiest.Athisim is just another way for Satan to devert you from GOD,were was athiism in the time of Jsus or Moses?Make a book about that!

[whitedragonawa]

@Treeeeenaful What are you talking about? You sounded like you were against Josh McDowell saying he just made books for money. So I just said thats what Athiests do too. Mcdowell did not do it for money though.

[Treeeeenaful]

@whitedragonawa Im not against anyone,iam just not that type of person. But what i am against is ppl that profit off other ppl.And sorry but just cause you hear they didnt make money doesnt mean that they did and they also do bbok shoes and talks,they get paied for all these things.And sorrry but this man,one man can not say the "Bible" is the untouched word of GOd when it isnt even the complete word of God and that bugs me be honest and truthful if you are tring to sell ppl something.

[Treeeeenaful]

@Treeeeenaful Dang i cant type lol i ment just cause you hear they didnt make money doesnt mean they didnt,and also they do book sales...sorry

[lizazoon]

the bible is as authentic as Snowwhite and the 7 dwarfs.

[eliehezbollah]

ediots

[barnabaspark]

Isa 45:9 "Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker

[Fpsmason]

he spoke today at my church, such a good speaker (Y)

[gagnashdiak]

Any fool can write a book refuting the Bible? I thought the opposit.

And who cares if he didn't believed first, what does that has to do with anything?

He mixes meanings of "truth". Deceiver.

Right. He just made him gullible. The Bible says the Earth is flat, so according to his reasoning the Bible is a false thingy.

And he didn't even started the topic the title promised.

[barnabaspark]

I am learning the Bible.

Can you show me where you find in the Bible that says the Earth is flat. I would appreciate your answer.

[gagnashdiak]

Learning? I'd never want to "learn" the entire Bible, lol, just know it, reading it

ONto buissness: The Bible says "the circle of the Earth" - a flat object circle is.

Then check when ALL the kingdoms of Earth were shown to Jesus by Satan on a mountain. Or the Book of Daniel: a tree what is visible from all kingdom. - only possible if the Earth is flat.

Jesus says in the "sign of Jonah" that Seba's queen came from the end of the Earth - a globe do not have edge.

I think I made my point.

[JoeFantauzzo568]

Interesting observations about the "flat earth" gag, but its lacking on so many levels. "the circle of the earth" is a Hebrew phrase which can mean the arch of the sky or a sphere. When Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world, you are looking at it from a human only perspective, and not allowing anything supernatural, but assuming they were limited to their physical sight. The sign of Jonah and Tree in Daniel 4 is again symbolism.

[gagnashdiak]

Nope. The hebrew word translated "circle" do not have the meaning of "sphere". They had another word for that.

On the mountain they LOOKED around. There was nothing supernatural. Else why the need of the mountain?

Symbolism for the other two, but the thought behind it tells the concept those people thought about their world.

Also these were only examples. There are many more. Check yourself out. My favourit is the solid sky-dome in Job.

[totheword3000]

@gagnashdiak its a not a solid sky dome its a dome made of air the atmosphere once again proof of the bible authenticity and not dis proof

[gagnashdiak]

@totheword3000 The atmosphere is a GLOBE, not a DOME.

Second: the Bible says the dome of heaven is a solid, crystal thingy.

Fuck off with your book of fairytales.

[jazzbummer]

You have to understand the known world at the time had an end to it because the west was not yet found. Just like if I said go to the end of the city to find whatever. Does that mean there are no other cities past that?

[gagnashdiak]

You have to understand that the known world doesn't equall with the existing world.

If you say go to the end of the city, I'd go to the border of it. Be aware that we are talking here on a flat surface. But a ball is all flat surface without an end in the two dimension.

the end of the city has nothing to do with other cities, do you realise? That analogy would mean there are other Universes. But the Universe is everything that exist.

[jazzbummer]

To them the known world was the existing world.

[gagnashdiak]

Yes, they assumed that falsly. But the existing world was never that way. You proved the Bible false. Now go and do something useful instead of this crap.

[jazzbummer]

I couldn't prove to you the Bible was true or false. You would have to seek Jesus and He will prove to you that it is His Word and we can live by it through Him.

[jazzbummer]

Actually I can prove it is true. I just did by my last comment.

[gagnashdiak]

You only made there gullible yourself. And don't back out from proving the Bible false. You did it, be proud of it. Then go and do something useful finaly!

By the way: if you give the exact adress of this Jesus (Jesus what? the poker-player?) we again would maybe have a topic.

[Raptor302]

"You have to understand the known world at the time had an end to it because the west was not yet found."

What happened to their divine editor, why didn't he tip them off?

[jazzbummer]

He didn't really have to. They found it out themselves. :)

[totheword3000]

@gagnashdiak when saten showed Jesus the kingdoms of the earth he was showing him from a supernatural perceptive first of all so it was different from the way a human would see it and he was also sowing him the kingdoms and ther major powers tha be at that time not once does the bible say the earth is flat your wrong

[gagnashdiak]

@totheword3000 There is no "supernatural". If you disagree, show your proofs.

[gonnaflynow707]

I'll reply to that.

In Revelation 7:1 certain people read " After this I saw four angels standing at the four 'CORNERS' of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree" - as evidence that the bible fundamentalist's must believe the earth is "flat".

[gonnaflynow707]

However this was from John' s visionary view point. His attempt to describe supernatural phenomenon into words one might somewhat grasp. This claim is easily refutable considering when one takes the passage in it's proper context, while using rudimentary hermeneutics Would one claim Meteorologists are untrue because they say that the sun rises or sets?

[christlover3000]

@gonnaflynow707 their are four corners south pole north pole west and east does not mean that it is flat just that their are four major directions to go to on the earth

[gonnaflynow707]

@christlover3000 That's a good point.

[totheword3000]

@gonnaflynow707 once again wrong the four corners can easily be translated as the four major directions you can head in N S E and W doesn't mean the earth has corners just direction you can head in and how far you can head in them before your just going in circles

[totheword3000]

@gagnashdiak to bad the bible doe snot say the earth is flat it says in Issiah god hangs his throne over the sphere of the earth circle in English translation but if you check the Jewish language it is dawr translated as sphere are round. the bible wads the first writing in history to proclaim the earth round

[gagnashdiak]

@totheword3000 No, it is not translated from "sphere", but from "circle". Stop lying. (Btw, the english, german, hungarian etc. translations all use the word "globe", what is another proof that "circle" is "circle", no mistranslation. Also check any description / paintings etc. about the Bible's concept of cosmology before the modern apologism: all shows the Earth is FLAT. Btw this is not the only problem with the Bible of course.)