@rivariad Point being you can't use the beatles, and john williams in the same sentence.(WTF mozart is in a completely different league of genius). Camparing the beatles to these guys is like comparing hannah montana to whitney houston dude
@TheOrganicBeats do you even know what a comparison is? cuz i'm sure i didnt compare any of'em, point is from a creative perspective, all of them are equally genius and innovative in their own areas.
@tootallbg no need to bring that loser up in the same sentence as John Williams. Pretty sad, all those youtube users who bring that guy up just to get positive reactions.
They should do a film about his life and call the film "Towner" (John Williams' second name). It'd look like "Amadeus", Williams would be Mozart and Zimmer (example) would be Salieri. That'd be great, eh?
dude like fucking grand master he was in the air force he is the man he is a beast!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! your my inspiration i am studying music now because of you mr. williams
get over it. john williams is a composer. before classical music was called "classiscal music" it was just music. never forget that all music is is the culmatnation of the very first human banging a stick on a tree or rock.
Classical music was made for the concert hall. Modern classical and neo-classical music is music which uses the forms of the classical era (roughly 1750-1850), drawing on the techniques and rules of composers from that era. John Williams writes contemporary, modern, and neo-romantic music.
Concert music does not mean "classical music." You have the periods (baroque, classical, romantic, modern, impressionist, etc.), and then the context (film, stage, ballet, opera, etc.).
may I butt in here on this one? I know it's a little late, but it's an intelligent arguement that you both have, I must agree with certain aspects of both of your arguements. John Williams is of a Dying Breed! He is a classical composer in all respects in my opinion, but not by the stereotypical mindset of "Classical" music (Beethoven, Back, Strause, the GREAT Tsaichovksy et al) but he still more than qualifies as to being able to hold is own in that very distinguished list of characters yes?
Beethoven and Strauss are Romantic, Tchaikovsky is late-Romantic, and Bach is Baroque. None of them are classical composers.
My argument has never been to discredit Williams's skill (or stature) as a composer; merely to make a distinction. By all definitions, John Williams is a contemporary composer, not a classical composer. He would have to have been alive in the 18th century for that.
As for implying that he is of a dying breed; Williams is the most popularized... there are others.
The word "classical" is also defined as "something that survives trends because of the high class." Ideal example to fit the concept is when one person, the composer, created the music by writing it down, and done so with artistic ambition.
Though that is, indeed, a working definition of the word "classic" (and therefore "classical"), the original usage was a reference to antiqueness works, such as ideologies of the Greeks. The classical period, roughly 1750-1850, is described as having been immersed in classic ideologies. I think both listed definition (yours and mine) of "classic" contribute to each other.
However, classical music as a term to describe concert music should be discouraged.
Minor argument here. Beethoven may have led the Classical Era in music to a close, but he stilled adhered to its forms, thereby he is still Classical. Apart from that, the idea of "classical" is that it can either refer to the era, OR to the conception that is imposed by the people upon any music that isn't electronically produced (at least mostly, exceptions being such people as Cage or Boulez). You have to remember, it is hard to say "classical" without a cringe, and with it John Williams.
Beethoven was also living in the Classical era, so you are right when you point out the inaccuracy of my calling him specifically a Romantic. However, I disagree with your assessment that classical music, as a term, should be used to broadly encompass any form of concert music.
I would try to remember your last sentence if I were able to understand it.
My last sentence was unfortuately cut to minimalist standards due to character count. What I was trying to make reference to was how in modern society, even the mention of the word "classical" in most circles will make the masses cringe in disgust. That is all. As well, just viewing things periodically is a tad narrow, and culturally demonstrates that either you are ignorant, or uncaring. Also, in what instance is Beethoven a Romantic? That is all I ask.
I'm not an expert on Beethoven, but I think his work starting in the 1800s is widely regarded as being Romantic works. I think Symp.3 is a popular example. Those are weasel words, but it's the impression I've gotten, and it's one with which I tend to agree; in my opinion, if he pioneered the change, he is a Romantic.
I've never run into occasions where people have cringed at "classical music," I have also never encountered accusations of narrow-mindedness when referring to the eras.
The word "classical" is also defined as "something that survives trends because of the high class." Ideal example to fit the concept is when one person, the composer, created the music by writing it down, and done so with artistic ambition.
@jwd0808 Great quote it is. We build our work on the shoulders of masters. John Williams on Stravinsky's and Prokofiev and others, indeed... Beethoven on CPE Bach's and on Haydn's definitely... It is not for nothing that western music evolved slowly but surely for 1000 years already!
Sure, he's inspired by Wagner and Mahler...why not? But he's not just a replica of those classic composers. If you really believe that you don't know much about John Williams.
yea...i did a research paper on him....for my musicology class and compared him to those for mentioned composers...and i got a 98 on it...and my teacher is one of the top 3 women in the field of musicology...so try again...
You got a 98 because you expressed an opinion, not because you are right. Please don't convince yourself being a college student makes you intelligent.
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you want to be as good as him? Dude all you have to do is listen to Stravinzky...Wagner...Dvorak...Shostakovich...and write like them...thats all John Williams does...
Sorry if i'm being rude, but thats a dumb argument. If i want to compose like Wagner there's probably a list of similar size of composers he (Wagner) liked.
What i would suggest is to study music a lot, learn how your favourite composers work (that's whats gonna make you sound similar to them).. and of course, don't expect to master anything in less than a decade. :)
LHP, I love JW, but he's not the "Only" true master. After all he was the under study of the great Bernard Herrmann. Check his stuff out. He scored amazing works such as that for Citizen Kane, Vertigo, Psycho, Fahrenheits 451, Taxi Driver...etc.
At this time I'm mostly in and connected with JW music! He has a rare but still authentic classic style which conveys pure connotation and true essence... therefor he's the greatest to me but also Bach's music is a real profound love to me! Thanks for recognizing his mentor, I haven't heard a lot of his music yet so I'll check his music more carefully then.
@LHPRivs You mean a contemporary master of music. That he is. There are many true masters of music, only things is most of them died about 100-150 years ago. But Williams is a modern day classical treasure since classical music has almost become extinct (in terms of composing) because video has indeed killed the radio star.
best composer hands down.
MrBennyMckoy 3 weeks ago
I would say that there is 1 person whatever...except that I can't think of anybody on this planet who dislikes John Williams.
DoctorEntertainment 5 months ago
lol, beethoven!!
jasonscottable 6 months ago
he's right there with mozart and beatles
rivariad 8 months ago 3
@rivariad he's in a class alone . He's "incomparable"
the44118 8 months ago 3
@rivariad the beatles suck
TheOrganicBeats 6 months ago
@TheOrganicBeats i wasnt expecting a troll under a john williams video, weird
rivariad 6 months ago
@rivariad Point being you can't use the beatles, and john williams in the same sentence.(WTF mozart is in a completely different league of genius). Camparing the beatles to these guys is like comparing hannah montana to whitney houston dude
TheOrganicBeats 6 months ago
@TheOrganicBeats do you even know what a comparison is? cuz i'm sure i didnt compare any of'em, point is from a creative perspective, all of them are equally genius and innovative in their own areas.
rivariad 6 months ago
@rivariad why is TheOrganicBeats a troll? Because he dislikes the Beatles? I don't understand...explain.
bornmusician 1 month ago
i want to die so that he will live instead of me
drisdrisdrisdris 9 months ago
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@drisdrisdrisdris haha great comment
mikedans55 9 months ago
@drisdrisdrisdris haha great comment but I think it is Zimmer who scores the music for the movie about the fountain of youth!
mikedans55 9 months ago
legend!!
acjei 9 months ago
GOD, why is there a dislike.!!!! i think the one who bushed this button was trunk and missed the like button
CaVeMAAn2 10 months ago
This man has provided some of the best musical scores of all time. I hope that he lives to 100.
paulod27 1 year ago
The one disliked the video is a Justin Bieber fan for sure.
tootallbg 1 year ago
@tootallbg Why?.. Why did you feel the need to bring up that crapsack in a vid that has nothing to do with it.
SharpWalkers 1 year ago 2
@tootallbg no need to bring that loser up in the same sentence as John Williams. Pretty sad, all those youtube users who bring that guy up just to get positive reactions.
fr4nk45 1 year ago
3:00 Poor John :(
henrique88t 1 year ago
He is AMAZING!
TheDavid2222 1 year ago
I would like to know why someone didn't like this video... ;-)
ViktorJWilliams 1 year ago
does anyone know to where one should write if you want to send John Williams a letter?
mackanmodh 1 year ago
@mackanmodh Search on google "contact John Williams" and take the second link. There are three adresses.
samlab0920 1 year ago
They should do a film about his life and call the film "Towner" (John Williams' second name). It'd look like "Amadeus", Williams would be Mozart and Zimmer (example) would be Salieri. That'd be great, eh?
samlab0920 1 year ago
Star Wars would simply NOT be the same without John Williams.
John's music has been the catchiest, most epic music of so many generations now....lets keep it going.
mhaze210 1 year ago 2
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musicbrain5 1 year ago
John Williams is the Jedi Master of film music!
musicbrain5 1 year ago 11
damn how does he come up with all those motifs... they are always so perfect
thesir27 1 year ago
brilliant
MusicScholarKK 1 year ago
I also thank Gustav Holst for creating The Planets suite, which served as inspirational base for almost "any" sci-fi movie including star wars.
Listen to Mars Bringer of War, you hear many very familar phrases (especially around 1-2min you hear how JW directly quoted it)
BuddhaMaster84 1 year ago
I LOVE YOU JOHN WILLIAMS!!! My. musical. hero. =D
DeathScience22 2 years ago 4
LORD OF MUSIC
robintrailer 2 years ago 2
dude like fucking grand master he was in the air force he is the man he is a beast!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! your my inspiration i am studying music now because of you mr. williams
poptarts47 2 years ago 2
master !
Hamidlo77 2 years ago 3
he's referring to debussy ^_^ i love this man, im soaking so much in right now!
ramzeysid 2 years ago
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the phantom phuck up! i hate that movie
bladrunner6 2 years ago
He's the FUCKING man
WeAllWumbo 2 years ago 5
i love this composer tho im more of a hard rock fan i love the soundtracks hes done for star wars XD battle of the heroes is my fav
therancor676 2 years ago 3
get over it. john williams is a composer. before classical music was called "classiscal music" it was just music. never forget that all music is is the culmatnation of the very first human banging a stick on a tree or rock.
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Just sharing my live scoring sessions, original film music, upcoming film scores, and additional music.
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jermainestegall1 3 years ago
he a better hero for me then obi wan
jackspicer9590 3 years ago 5
John williams uses a motive from Dvorak 9th symphony 3rd movement in star wars.
jackhammer815 3 years ago 5
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yes he does...as well as a shit load of other things....he is the Kanye West of classical music....the biggest sampler ever...
rock27863 3 years ago
This is film scoring. This is not "classical music." If you like, you may listen to his actual concert music, free from obvious references.
thegoodgeneral 3 years ago 2
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It is classical music, modern classical music. Classical music was made for stage plays, modern classical music is made for movies.
Bubo25 2 years ago
Classical music was made for the concert hall. Modern classical and neo-classical music is music which uses the forms of the classical era (roughly 1750-1850), drawing on the techniques and rules of composers from that era. John Williams writes contemporary, modern, and neo-romantic music.
Concert music does not mean "classical music." You have the periods (baroque, classical, romantic, modern, impressionist, etc.), and then the context (film, stage, ballet, opera, etc.).
thegoodgeneral 2 years ago 8
may I butt in here on this one? I know it's a little late, but it's an intelligent arguement that you both have, I must agree with certain aspects of both of your arguements. John Williams is of a Dying Breed! He is a classical composer in all respects in my opinion, but not by the stereotypical mindset of "Classical" music (Beethoven, Back, Strause, the GREAT Tsaichovksy et al) but he still more than qualifies as to being able to hold is own in that very distinguished list of characters yes?
MMAPorsche 2 years ago 2
Beethoven and Strauss are Romantic, Tchaikovsky is late-Romantic, and Bach is Baroque. None of them are classical composers.
My argument has never been to discredit Williams's skill (or stature) as a composer; merely to make a distinction. By all definitions, John Williams is a contemporary composer, not a classical composer. He would have to have been alive in the 18th century for that.
As for implying that he is of a dying breed; Williams is the most popularized... there are others.
thegoodgeneral 2 years ago
The word "classical" is also defined as "something that survives trends because of the high class." Ideal example to fit the concept is when one person, the composer, created the music by writing it down, and done so with artistic ambition.
mackanmodh 2 years ago
Though that is, indeed, a working definition of the word "classic" (and therefore "classical"), the original usage was a reference to antiqueness works, such as ideologies of the Greeks. The classical period, roughly 1750-1850, is described as having been immersed in classic ideologies. I think both listed definition (yours and mine) of "classic" contribute to each other.
However, classical music as a term to describe concert music should be discouraged.
thegoodgeneral 2 years ago
Minor argument here. Beethoven may have led the Classical Era in music to a close, but he stilled adhered to its forms, thereby he is still Classical. Apart from that, the idea of "classical" is that it can either refer to the era, OR to the conception that is imposed by the people upon any music that isn't electronically produced (at least mostly, exceptions being such people as Cage or Boulez). You have to remember, it is hard to say "classical" without a cringe, and with it John Williams.
Wagnerlover777 2 years ago
Beethoven was also living in the Classical era, so you are right when you point out the inaccuracy of my calling him specifically a Romantic. However, I disagree with your assessment that classical music, as a term, should be used to broadly encompass any form of concert music.
I would try to remember your last sentence if I were able to understand it.
thegoodgeneral 2 years ago
My last sentence was unfortuately cut to minimalist standards due to character count. What I was trying to make reference to was how in modern society, even the mention of the word "classical" in most circles will make the masses cringe in disgust. That is all. As well, just viewing things periodically is a tad narrow, and culturally demonstrates that either you are ignorant, or uncaring. Also, in what instance is Beethoven a Romantic? That is all I ask.
Wagnerlover777 2 years ago
I'm not an expert on Beethoven, but I think his work starting in the 1800s is widely regarded as being Romantic works. I think Symp.3 is a popular example. Those are weasel words, but it's the impression I've gotten, and it's one with which I tend to agree; in my opinion, if he pioneered the change, he is a Romantic.
I've never run into occasions where people have cringed at "classical music," I have also never encountered accusations of narrow-mindedness when referring to the eras.
thegoodgeneral 2 years ago 2
Excellent point
tylerofdenmark 2 years ago
If that was a reply to me, thank you.
thegoodgeneral 2 years ago
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The word "classical" is also defined as "something that survives trends because of the high class." Ideal example to fit the concept is when one person, the composer, created the music by writing it down, and done so with artistic ambition.
mackanmodh 2 years ago
Well there's an old saying - good composers borrow - great composers steal!
jwd0808 3 years ago 5
This is too true. The best part that is missing is the third: "the best composers steal...by making it their own."
Wagnerlover777 2 years ago 2
@jwd0808 Great quote it is. We build our work on the shoulders of masters. John Williams on Stravinsky's and Prokofiev and others, indeed... Beethoven on CPE Bach's and on Haydn's definitely... It is not for nothing that western music evolved slowly but surely for 1000 years already!
epichorns 2 years ago
Those comparisons are noted, but not as heavy in credence as people think.
thegoodgeneral 3 years ago
John Williams is one of my many favorite composers. He's a classic!!!
loulou656 3 years ago 14
@loulou656 Mine too my friend. HE IS MY FAVOURITE.
I can't imagine no one else who will match or compete on his level of swashbuckling theme's lol.
Freedomcostmoney 3 months ago
Sure, he's inspired by Wagner and Mahler...why not? But he's not just a replica of those classic composers. If you really believe that you don't know much about John Williams.
queggy1 3 years ago 9
yea...i did a research paper on him....for my musicology class and compared him to those for mentioned composers...and i got a 98 on it...and my teacher is one of the top 3 women in the field of musicology...so try again...
rock27863 3 years ago
You got a 98 because you expressed an opinion, not because you are right. Please don't convince yourself being a college student makes you intelligent.
1993CorradoSLC 3 years ago 4
Argument of authority. "i should know because i studied it in school lol."
thegoodgeneral 3 years ago
thank you GOD for giving us john williams.
70tee 3 years ago 84
@70tee, thank John Williams for putting his talent out there, not God.
AIgrim 1 year ago
@AIgrim No reason to broadcast your atheism... geez.
LPalex2511 1 year ago
@LPalex2511, no reason for 70tee to broadcast his religion, jeez.
AIgrim 1 year ago
Awesome Man...I aspire to be as good as him one day.
TromboneConductor767 4 years ago 12
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you want to be as good as him? Dude all you have to do is listen to Stravinzky...Wagner...Dvorak...Shostakovich...and write like them...thats all John Williams does...
rock27863 3 years ago
I'm sorry I wholey disagree with your assesment. And I'd be willing to argue my point of view.
TromboneConductor767 3 years ago
Sorry if i'm being rude, but thats a dumb argument. If i want to compose like Wagner there's probably a list of similar size of composers he (Wagner) liked.
What i would suggest is to study music a lot, learn how your favourite composers work (that's whats gonna make you sound similar to them).. and of course, don't expect to master anything in less than a decade. :)
diegofloor 3 years ago 2
yea that's real easy man. a walk in the park
whatthegnuisfreethen 3 years ago
The only true Master of music! I admire him deeply.
LHPRivs 4 years ago 58
LHP, I love JW, but he's not the "Only" true master. After all he was the under study of the great Bernard Herrmann. Check his stuff out. He scored amazing works such as that for Citizen Kane, Vertigo, Psycho, Fahrenheits 451, Taxi Driver...etc.
acoustic8y3 4 years ago 4
At this time I'm mostly in and connected with JW music! He has a rare but still authentic classic style which conveys pure connotation and true essence... therefor he's the greatest to me but also Bach's music is a real profound love to me! Thanks for recognizing his mentor, I haven't heard a lot of his music yet so I'll check his music more carefully then.
LHPRivs 4 years ago 4
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The guy is basically a modern reincarnation of Max Steiner, there is nothing original about him
webeffect 3 years ago
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Holy crap, you'd better listen to some real classical composers. Beethoven, Strauss, Chopin and others would like a word with you.
webeffect 3 years ago
Your point of view is very narrow-minded
queggy1 3 years ago
@LHPRivs You mean a contemporary master of music. That he is. There are many true masters of music, only things is most of them died about 100-150 years ago. But Williams is a modern day classical treasure since classical music has almost become extinct (in terms of composing) because video has indeed killed the radio star.
Dodo251 1 year ago
@LHPRivs Not the ONLY one, but he is one of only so few.
BitterBosh 1 year ago
@LHPRivs The Master. Period
maynardsgaylover 1 year ago
@LHPRivs hm.... I kinda think that john williams and danny elfman are the best movie composers;
so I'd say they're equal....
bbphnix 1 year ago
@LHPRivs not bach, or beethoven, or mozart?
anty123123 10 months ago