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  • Yeh my perents are crazy if they found out they would kill me just because I uttered the words mom dad I hurt myself it would just turn into a giant clusterfuck

  • but what if yur only 12 and they try 2 put me in a dumb nut house???

  • This is bull >-> Nice try. You think we're just freaks. So do the parents. What if parents are WHY we do it? This and everything else is DUMB!

  • To the parents who self harm, let your child know that they are loved and that they are not a freak

  • If we don't trust our parents why would we trust a stranger that just thinks: this kid is so stupid! Why would this kid hurt them selfs. If ur a theripist then stay away from me I self harm oh yeah once! But it was yesterday bit still once

  • i cut, how am i suppose to tell my mom when she already thinks im mental (she's said that right to my face), when i cant trust her with anything, and that i live in a house were a dog is care for way better than me!......i just don't know what to do anymore!!

  • I cut. I told my mom , had a serious talk. Therapists didn't work for me . It just made it worse. But after i told her. It felt like she hasnt given one single thought about how i feel and it still feels like that. I simply hate my family. Ive gone a month without them and i didn't miss them at all. I get called useless all the time and ive been called a little bitch. Wow thanks mom... Youve been so much help that... I just don't know where to go on with my life anymore...

  • When my mum found out she grounded me and called me a freak. She threatened to get rid of me if I ever did it again...

  • @AnimalLover881 I care about you even though I don't know u I care. My mom knows I cut too and it seems like she doesn't care but she does in the inside she was trying to b strong maybe that's what your mom is doing. If you need someone to talk to then I'm here for you.

  • my mom knew that i was cutting and i didnt know she knew and last week she got me to try on a dress and before i did put it on i told he i cut and i was expecting so worried reaction or something but she told me she knew about it and i was shocked i mean if she knew i was suffering to the point where i started cutting why didnt she do anything! and now idk how i'm supposed to feel about my self, i mean nobody care i cut in school and neither my own mom! i just don't know what to do anymore -_-

  • Wish my parents saw this video...

  • if anyone hurts them self just buy a cat! cats are the greatest, whenever im feeling down i just hug my kitty.. haha but seriously there grest

  • Taking a child to the A&E (Emergency room) for suicidal behaviour is relatively normal in the UK, but it's only really done if they are a 'high threat' (i.e- making ideations about suicide, planning, or feeling as if they will attempt it soon).

    NEVER compare the problem to someone elses' either, it can be extreamely triggering as I have found but don't try and bubble wrap them so to speak from the situation; they already know and it could make them feel as though you are ashamed.

  • i know hi dont like talking to people anymore every since i waas six

  • Thanks for making this video, I agree with a lot of what you said.

  • Don't take them to the hospital that would make them suicidal or even more thats bad idea

  • Too bad my parents don't give a fuck... My dad asked me a couple weeks ago, "you cutting again?" I replied yes, and he just turned his head like he was ashamed or disgusted. Back to watching TV and ignoring your kids self-destructive behavior. Bravo dad. No matter, I'll fix myself without their fucking help.

  • i want to tell my parents so badly but i dont want to disappoint them. and they will just tell me im doing this for attention... but im not, i do this cuz i cant handle things...

  • Most kids that harm themselves, either think their parents dont care, or have no1 to help in ther personal probs, if ur a parent, simply talk to your kid, not about cutting, but about school, or how they feel about things, squeeze it out of them, and understand for ur self. that will cure it. simple as that (xp: i used to be like this)

  • that therapy shit doesn't work for everyone...

    hell it sure as hell didnt help me.  anyway i'm just saying... its not necessarily the answer...

  • @spazattack716

    it does help but its hard finding the right person i had one who help but she did not ask me to stop cuttin she asked me to cutt in places that wont trigger me to suicide im suicidal and i liked her she actually tried to understand me and try to treat me for as long as she could but i was 18 and almost 19 they would not let me c her after her i have not found anyone

    out of 7 that i have seen she was the only one who really tried

  • my mom should watch this she saw my wrist and cussed me out a couple years ago never said another thing about it and everyone acted like they didnt know i sill struggle

  • @GREAT675309

    my mom tries to make me feel bad wrong move mom but anyway they never will understand once she asked if it was some type ritual for the devil parents dont help they dont know what to say to us i hide my cuts and burns from her just so i dont hear her remarks but the rest of the world i dont give a fuck if the see it

  • i think they take you to the hospital becuse the hospital will have you put (somewhere) im not so sure im kinda in a corner myself right now

  • wenting to constelling...

    made it a whole lot worse

  • i used to hate my life . i wanted it to end . i got picked on in school by these 3 girls picked on by all the guys in my class. i never trusted any one. my parents relized how much emotional pain i was in and got me a black lab puppy. i named her sally. she is my best friend and all i needed was for some one i could trust and love and go to... and all i needed was for some one to care about me...

  • my parents did the opposite of all the tings you say in this movie. I hate my parents now.

  • exsact same thing happened to me.

    They asked me why...but they didnt know i heard them talking...they would send me to a mental hospital...so i told them it was for attention, and tried to quit for months && months....it took 3 years but ive been clean for 2 months now.

  • Hm, I wish my mum had seen this, she didn't understand at all and I couldn't explain it to her... She was meant to send me to therapy, but she never did and now I don't know how to get to therapy because she thinks I've stopped and I just like being weird...

    Amazing video, I hope it helps parents lots...

  • kinda wish my mom woulda saw this...when she saw, she drove me about 4 miles to my dad's work to show him, and all his co-workers, she showed all my siblings, she showed practically everyone in the neighboorhood and told all my closest friends.

  • I wish my parents saw this before they found out. The first thing out of my mom's mouth was "SO YOUR GUNNA STOP NOW RIGHT?" and my dad's, "THATS SOME REALLY STUPID S**T YOUR DOING" i told them i stopped. and it looks like i did....unless they saw my thighs. ],:

  • sorry but you don't deserve to be a mother!

  • @porkcheck

    thats just horrible how can you say that

  • @porkcheck thats horrible what is wrong with you? how can you say that about your own son? do u have a heart at all? your a dick

  • @porkcheck sounds like he'd have a reason to be upset and self-harm if he did.

    thanks to a selfish, uncaring parent like you. >:[

  • Well i can tell this , my parents tried to get my into therapy and stuff. It only made things worse. Those stupid therapist wanted to lock me up. The only thing they could say to me "you have problems" .. like i didnt know that allready. I dont trust any therapist.. they just make everything worse for me =(

  • @shadowkaznama therapists are bitches and so are doctors................

  • Wish my parents saw this before they acted the way they did.. now me crazy loco!! :P

  • why should you take your child to the hospital if you find out they're suicidal? i don't get that......can someone please explain?

  • why wouldn't you take them?

  • I don't know, i just never thought of someone taking their child to the emergency room because they found out they're suicidal.

  • i think if the parent found their child suicidal, & or found out they have a plan to end their life...they would take them to the hospital. if they really loved/cared for their child.

  • why the hospital? why don't they just get them a consler or something?

  • yea that would be the best option to start off with but if the child "trys" to act on a suicide attempt...the child should be taken to the hospital to be evaluated. (sp) does that make sense?

  • yeah,

    thank you (:

  • i've bee counselled b4 for somet completely dif and it didnt help me at all it made me hide into myself and bury mysle fin myself even more its what made me worse i think talking to someone never helped me but made it worse

  • @Shannon881

    As therapy is a gradual help, if a child is feeling extreamely likely to commit suicide taking them to the hospital simply puts them in a situation where they can not, they are usually assessed (like the other reply mentioned) and a plan for therapy etc is discussed, or if already in therapy trying to work out where the loopholes are and why it isn't helping

  • well i dont know bout other countries but here in Sweden we have a psychiatry er too, at the hospital :)

  • we should have that in the us. but our healthcare is a little outta whack right now.

  • the MAIN problem is that parents don't care about their children. okey, they give them money, clothes, food and stuff but that's not enough. I mean love, caring and understanding are more important than any kinda materials. but they just don't get it...

  • if my parenst were ever to find out they would take away all my posters in my room of my fav bands just becuse i have them all up with push pins i never use push pins and if they took away my posters i would go insane i look at the nighly and rember the few good times that they remind me of... and i am getting help by a shrink and a social worker but not helping! shrink dont care i told him a eyar ago and he still has doen nothing..... im scared

  • i hate to tell you this but you're the only one who can make yourself stop..you might wanna get a close friend to talk to instead of a shrink..since a friend would know more about you since their there most of the time and you could call em at any time instead of going in at a certain point in time..if you wanna talk feel free to catch me on here

  • tbh i recon talking to a shrink is much better than talking to a friend, because a shrink can tell you what they think and whats best. whereas a friend will tell you what you want to hear and may not always help. i told my best friend about my self harm, about 2 years ago. and we never bought it up again. it's much worse now..

  • eh..everybody has their own opinions but i do see your point..i can't really back up my method anyways because i told it to a few people and i'm pretty much invisible/don't exist/a freak to them now but i did try the shrink method and it didn't work but i take my anger out on a punching bag and i don't bring up the subject so everything is ok

  • actually i take that back..3 of the people i told still talks to me..i just don't bring it up so they probably forgot..anyways..sorry i wasn't thinking

  • Hahahaaaa don't say sorry.:P tbh, everyone i told, like 3 people:P just sort of ignored it because it made them look bad that their friend self harms :L! soo, i did seek help but didn't get any. I don't really want to tell anyone else because i'd probably get sent to a mental home knowing people round here :P

  • oh hah..and hey if you want/need to talk to someone feel free to get me on here

  • i so wish my mam could watch this video

    she seriousley has no idea what so ever about how im feeling :( when i was sleeping she saw the cuts on my arms and hands and went totaly insane with me!!! so i just cut my arms now and wear long sleeves :) so she cant see! its my way of feeling in control if only everybody could understand that!!

  • I wish my mom had seen this video.

    First she made a big deal out of it, made me show my cuts to everyone in our whole family, threatened to send me away, and then just completely ignored it after that. She doesn't even care. So then, I just started doing it on my legs, cuz no one checks there.

  • wow thats nott good! she made yu show it to EVERYBODY! omg

    *hugs*

  • what?! why did she make you show it to everyone? my mom did the same thing but she is so naive. i tell her they are burns and when she stopped buying that i told her it was a game we play at school. she believes me... i can get away with saying there burns cuz i dont use a razor blade, i scratch the back of my hand with my thumbnail until it breaks through the skin and then i pour rubbing alcohol on it. its the only way i can get any emotion out cuz right now its all inside and driving me crazy!

  • fuck! My parents find out by themselves, and they KILLED me.... they beat me.... and grounded me.... they never understand, thats why im cutting!

  • Thanks for this clip!!

    I have just discovered my son is cutting himself. He does not know that I know, and I felt I needed to get info first before addressing the matter. I am devastated!

    I did not know he was hurting and I want to take his hurt away, but do not know what to do.

    Thanks, I now think I know what to do.

    Firstly to show him I love him!!!

  • when i told my mom i was suicidal, she just yelled at me and told me i was selfish...So i just backed away and will never talk to her again, about all this stuff..

  • my parents sent me to stupid boot camp for cutting, drugs, and everything else. little do they know i still do it.

  • your parents must be awful!

    if my parents do that with me i will tell them in they're face that i hate them!!!

  • my parents did the opposite of the video and they made it worse.

    first they found out didnt care at all and the second time they found out they freaked out.i told them i wasnt suicidal.they sent me to a hospital.grounded me for a few months.i couldnt sleep in my own room.i started to panic and i blacked out a few times.and bunch of other things

    I WISH THEY WATCHED THIS VIDEO

    everything got way worse with me cutting,then i started to burn,and more drugs cuz of the situation

  • The reason I say its not a big deal is because I don't want them to worry

  • I wish my mom would've watched this before she found out i was cutting. First she was mad, then she was blaming herself, then she asked me if she needed to put me in a mental hospital. That was one of the worst nights of my life. Then she took away my privacy for like a month and she checked me everyday to see if there were new scars. It sucked and I'm not really over not wanting to cut b/c I still want to so bad. I trying to be strong though.

  • yea me too:[, keep on keepin on

  • This video makes me feel like there is an adult that actualy understands how I feel inside when some one yells at me or tells me not to cut I wish my mom could understand but she doesn't she just another hard headed bitch who doesn't listen to anyone

  • i cut for four years. even sharing tools with people i barely knew. i got arrested when i was 15 and everyone found out. i spent the next two years in hospitals. thankfully my dad was there to help me out every step of the way. he really didn't understand why i hurt myself or even the point of it but he just kept telling me he loved me no matter what. w/o him, i dunno what i would've done. i've been clean for a long time now. :]

  • my parents finally found out after 5-6 years because i had to go to the hospital and psych ward (wich i lied so i could get out of there because it was doing more harm than good..) after that parents took away all sharp objects i told them what it would do but they wouldnt listen went through some experiences with counselors and meds but nothing worked finally parents leave the subject lie most of the time and only once did my mother insult me for it so i came out ok but still siing sometimes

  • do you think you are hurting your mother by doing this? Because you are! you are probably hurting her more than you cutting yourself. yours is a pain..easy way out...it hurts for a little while and then goes...your mums pain will last until the day she dies! xx

  • to jakhound she still is an a** to me alot of the time even when i do pretty much everything around the house and some of the times as soon as i wake up shes that ways towards me so don't say that my pain lasts a little while and i si so i don't hit her or yell at her because after all i love her since she is my mother and i would never forgive myself so i actually do if for HER

  • Nobody is more important to somebody other than themselves. Self preservation. Cutting is a coping skill. Dangerous yes. People don't need blame. If parents cared they would have stopped the original abuse that causes such lack of self-esteem.

  • they can't stop bullies. they can't change how you might look and they can't spend their entire lives monitoring everybody who talks to you to make sure they're not nasty...

  • wow, My dad should have watched this. I was cutting since I was 11 years old.. im 19 now.. And I find myself sometimes wanting to go back to it.. But, I know IM NOT DEPRESSED anymore... What the fuck?!

  • its alright to feel that way. just watchyour actions, you can use healthy copings skills...

  • NO CUTTINGS R HEALTHY!!! If you are cutting yourself, for whatever reason..you need to understand that you are depressed and need to seek help...please do that...you need to think that you are abusing yourselves...think about all the little babies that have been abused....they never asked for it...not old enough to do it to thenmselves....but have DIED for it....HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL....please dont do it, get help..

  • what if ur like me u r getting help i have a shrink and i see the schools social worker and seeing a shrink for over a eyar now he knows i cut but dose nothing about it

  • wow, why couldn't my mom see this when sh confronted me about my s.i

  • can you show her now?

  • My mom is always making comments on how stupid self harm is and how they only want attention also how bad their parents must be, but how shocked would she be to know that thats me...... i restrict, purge and cut.....what do you think of your perfect little girl now !

  • no one is perfect!

  • Well im about as far from it as a person can get.....

  • an odd question: what's the song called? :)

  • Nice video...I just don't know why I feel it is too..."sweet", maybe I'm afraid my parents think I'm crazy, I don't want them to help me...I'm scared

  • i know exactly how you feel, i'm scared 2...

  • or its like this they send there child 2 a theripist the child walks in and when the parents are gone they say "fuck you" to the theripist they dont want help they want people to leave them alone

  • This is so black and white! Parents should talk to their children- not drag them and dump them on others. It happened to me and I went through living hell- it knocked me back! People need to make their own choices and when they are ready act out on them.

  • alos i want to say somthing about your vid even though i was mad ans still alone for the first time in a long time i felt less alone

  • SORRY

  • well hi um jesmalu i wont to say im sorry about dragin on you and everything.its my parents not you so really im sorry. i had an email for a friend that i read a sec ago so im feallin better. im sorry i draged on you really i am. and i want to say thanks to my 'friend' that sent me an email for making me relise she not in the rong because shes had a roufe past. i hope you understand i was just in a lot of pain and im really sorry

  • well like i tell the others...if you dont like it then dont watch! your the idiot for watching it in the first place ;) thanks for the comment! =)

  • hm see i feel much better now looking at my arm feeling te pain. theres somting i wont you and all the parents that watch tis vid listen to a song called cutter's lulliby

  • and im not mad at you im mad at the fact that i cant stop no matter what i do i cant it makes me fell good the longest iv ever gone without cutting is about 2-4 days my parents gave up so what am i supposed to do why cant i stop help me please just help me stop

  • god fuck this video. my dad just took all my stuff razors pins everting and started yelling at me. callin me a failer fuck you so now im at a counceler taking pics of my arms everyday why the fuck why. thats how i delt with pain thanks now i just steal stapels from my teachers with dont work at all they cut but dont make you blead thanks man you fuvking suck

  • sorry bout ur dad n all

    My mum made me feel soooo guilty by crying in front of me... they dont understand...

    and really i am sorry bout ur dad

    but dont take it out on the ppl who make these vids theyre here to help the parents and just coz diff ppl act diff doesnt make these wrong ok??

    I hope u get help and sort it out

    And if u do sort out let me know how and stuff and then maybe u can give me some advice :) take care xx

  • thanks for the little pick-me-up about her i appoligised and now shes helping me out with my problome so i want to sa thanks and for caring (thanks to you i know somebody cares im no longer alone thank you so much) :)

  • my mom found out about 2 weeks ago.. and i've done it for two years! she just started yelling a me and made me see the school counsler.. which did NOT help!

  • My parents found pout that I was cutting myself after being molested on february 29, 2008. They sent me to the mental health unit after my counselor called home. I had been cutting for roughly 4 months. But I'm proud to say that I've stopped cutting and have "been clean" for around 7 months.

  • srrt sweet heart dont help at all n my parents r not gonna see this cuz they prob dissagree on it so xxxxxabby

  • this video makes me sad, because my mom did everything you shouldn't besides drag me to the ER... and now i'm too afraid to get help from someone who won't fuck everything up.

  • there is help out there. just keep trying.

  • my parents were pathetic the first time they saw my cuts, now they wouldnt even take me to the ED for sutures etc

  • wow. im sorry!

  • my rents dont care..they'd rather act like nothing is worong...but thats ok...id rather keep it to myself that i cut.

  • dont bottle it in, try & learn healthier coping skills. try DBT

  • im 16 and i hope my parents never find out

    idk what they'll do to me

  • you can always find someone you trust to talk to

  • My parents found out about me si-ing and they sounded like they where more worried about the scars I had on me and people seeing them. They just said "if someone sees those they'll take you away from us"

    I didnt really care. I just didnt want them to know what I was going through.

  • yea, sometimes people take it the wrong way. just get cocoa butter,i heard that helps scars.

  • i cut myself once, 4 times on my for arm, bcause my dad moved out, i was bullied, i didnt have friends and every1 told me i was ugly, i shouldnt have done it, i had a giant bandaid on my arm, i joked around that i had cut myself, i have 2 small scars, and not just on my arm

  • find someone you trust that you can talk to.

  • ive been raped i am abused i have a sister i saw once 5 years ago when she was a month old. my aunt drugged me because she was angry at me. my father says he hates me and wished i was dead for his benifit.people say i do it for attention but it is sooo private and only the closest people to me know so obviously its not that. then others say i lie about my life which is sooooo obsurd.

  • no offense but u just told anybody on youtube?? cant be that secret can it?

  • No offense but that isn't too secrative and it doesn't seem like you were telling the truth.

  • omg kayla out of the millions of people on youtube it had to be you. Big secret.

  • sorry to hear.

  • when i cut myself it is like a release and it is my way of coping. i am 13 years old but i have been hurting myself for many years. my mother sends me 2 a therapist but it is baisiclly useless for me. my friends DO help me more than others. my mother dispises me for it. but she doesnt realize what i actually go through.

  • i feel like this is a very good video for parents...i used to cut and i felt this very same way sometimes and even now i dont think my mom or dad understand it.

  • ? I just don't get why kids self harm...?

    my life is not a good thing, if you think about it too. I mean, My parents are divorced, mom is living at Japan, can only see her about 2 weeks a year. My dad has a girlfriend whos ugly and mean. My grandma is always mad at me. My dog just died.

    But I never self harmed... I did cry but never self harmed.So does that mean kids my age go through worse things? I'm just wondering. By the way, I'm a uber duper positive thinker. maybe that's why.

  • Alot Of Kids Who Self Harm Dont Cry..And You May Be Better Coping With These Emotions Than What Others Are.

  • When my mom found out she told me to stop but I wouldnt promise, so she dragged me to the er. I just filled that docters head with lies. Told him I wasnt suicidal and signed a contract saying I would stop. Saw a therapist one time after that. Lied to him too. Some people just dont get it (points to mom) so I lied to her too. She thinks I stopped, but its just gotten and worse. She should of watched this movie then maybe she would get it but she didnt. And look where I am now. Thanks for the vid.

  • was going to tell my mum a day a go but i dont now i am realy scared wats going to happen:( and i dont wont to get help it to scary :(

    hugs

  • Therapy isnt the answer 1/2 the time. Kids do not want to go to therapy, therefor anything that is said will not make a change to them, unless they want to go, it wont make a bit of difference, waste of time and money

  • if only my mother would watch this...

    she found out about my si and every night she makes me strip down to underwear and i feel so violated and now i just know that the second i move out of this place im gonna be worse off than i was before.

    sigh.

  • My parents found out about me si-ing and they sounded like they where more worried about the scars I had on me and people seeing them. They just said "if someone sees those they'll take you away from us"

    I didnt really care. I just didnt want them to know what I was going through.

  • just take it easy!

  • you knoww. my parents found out that i cut, and now they wont even talk to me anymore.. like i totally got disowned basically.. which makes me want to even more...

  • sounds like there is more to this issue. how old are you?

  • when the time is right, i tell myself. dont think there will ever be a right time to admiting failure.

    thanks though.

  • *nods&

  • my mom found out i cut...she whackes me with a belt...she was sooo pissed with me...then later on she came to me and wanted 2 talk to me!!!!!!the bloody bitch....my school councellor knws nd she is more of a mother to me than my own mother...shes relii sweet n always there to help...thx fr the vid...its relii good....my mom so totally duznt understand a single bit of me and im fine with that cuz it means she wont butt into my life..

  • Yeh my dad saw some scratches of mine once, he got really mad, even though they could've been from anywhere. So I just said the cat did it, and he said I better not let it happen again. So I never let it happen again...it being anyone seeing my cuts. Parents

  • talkin to a therapist can help if you are still struggling.

  • I am with EllieBabiee...I wish my mom would react like this. My mom knows I used to do it. She doesn't know I still do it bc she reacts the complete oppisite. You are very smart though. Thank you for posting this!

  • thanks for watching!

  • i wish my mum wud react like tht if she knew she wud go mad coz shes like a therapist herself. i told one of my best mates and shes threatinin to tell my sis :(

  • why would any one care? once they find out they never look at you the same they all look at you like your some freak stared ad laughed at all the time

  • its how you deal with it & what your actions are. people can look at you different but is it really worth worrying over? not everyone is like that.

  • spread the love!

    BRB! :)

  • *winks*

  • #1 movie i have seen on this subject.

    i have been a "cutter" for 3 1/2 years.

    and i havent been able to tell my parents until i saw this movie and i made them watch it. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!~!~!~ <3!!!

  • glad it helped you

  • my parents dont know and i dont wat to tell them any time soon because theyll freak out and get all mad so i only told my 2 best friends and they totaly understood. well one cuts too so i understand her.

  • never know til you try

  • my parents were seriously supportive

    i told them by writing a letter and they were very understanding because my mum's had problems with it on her side of the family.

    my immediate reaction was to cry and tell them i was sorry and their reply to that was "never say that to anyone, you have nothing to be sorry for"

    they proceeded to get me all the help i needed

    i was diagnosed with bi polar disorder and received counselling and therapy

    i couldnt have done it without them :)

  • writing is good, especially to a family member if you cant talk in words. i know its tough but you seem to be hanging in there alright =)

  • my parents didnt care so why do i care and i lost someone very special to me so i dont give a fuck no more

  • im sorry, i dont know what to say. just that..hang in there.

  • My mom found out... She punched me ...i ran.. she pushed me on thebathroom floor saw mi arms and tore of mi shirt andsaw mi stomach...and showulders..... DONT TELL YR PARETNS KIDS!!! AT ALL!!!

  • some parents dont understand at all. but you can at least try & explain. but then if it doesnt work, asking for pro help can be helpful.

  • My mom ripped off my sleeves in front of my little bro when she found out from reading my stuff...

  • that isnt nice at all

  • No, but I had to do something pretty drastic like staying out all night in a big city to get outta a bad situation. *huggles*

  • this video made me cry.....

    I was thinking whilst watching this what it would feel like if i killed myself, what my family would feel and it got me into deep thought

  • sort of my point on making this. to help others see too. tho it isnt easy.

  • this would have been great if my parents had been forced to watch it when they found out about me.

  • yea, mine too

  • I love all of your videos! =)

    They teach me so much:]