Associated Press 7/14/19 A raid of bin Ladens Pakistan compound in May reportedly turned up documents showing the al Qaeda leader had a gay lover: CBS News confirmed that intelligence gathered at the raid on bin Ladens compound in Pakistan revealed that he had became obsessed with Gay porn.
It has been confirmed that Osama had a scret love affair with Chris Mathews from MSNBC Osama and Mathews were to be married in San Francisco by Rosie Odonnel It wa to be televised on the Oprah Network
I think it was much less that it isn't a legitimate news station (which will often if not always deliver opinion with news segments) but that it actively organized protests against government, making it actual government opposition.
That the lady is trying to pass it as censorship is just ridiculous.
That blonde chick on the right is really good looking. She has beautiful, radiant skin and lovely bone structure. Of course she's so hideously stupid and gullibly ignorant of history, current affairs, politics, and all things non-fashion/makeup related that her favourite scarf is sometimes heard to hiss "moron!" at some of the things that fall out of her mouth.
The president is commonly accused, by Fox, of being a foreign born, communist Muslim, and she thinks HE'S the McCarthyist...
Fox admits themselves they are not a News organization. C'mon you god damn yanks, do you fucking ever listen? Your country is becoming a shithole because you people are sooo fucking stupid!
Fox is exactly 'Talk news.' I think Ms Goldberg explained what Fox news is doing clearly when she said Fox news puts their news out as "This is what they are doing and you're going to die!" That's Fox news.
0.50 Wait a second, the news channel dint show the victory over Afghanistan and iraq? Did America had a victory? Thats news flash to me. All i can see the dead troops coming every month.
having an opinion on specific issues is a one thing, but to have a subjective agenda is another. According to Fox no matter what President Barack Obama does it is bad, or insufficient. Other news outlets will vary their opinion based upon the issue at hand, sometimes they are with the President sometimes they are not, but Fox is always against the President no matter what.
@MrWhyble You apparently misunderstood what I wrote and decided to take it all very out-of-context. I said it was the right-wing scare tactic to make white voters BELIEVE Obama is out to "redistribute" their "wealth" to black folks for reparations. It's all utter bullshit, and it's the same tactic used by Nixon in the 60's to get elected. It was called the Southern Strategy. Look it up.
@MrWhyble There were no charges brought to ACORN about "voter fraud" or any of the other ludicrous claims made by the extreme right on this subject. MSNBC does like Obama, never said they didn't, but they're also far more critical of him than FNC ever dreamt of being to Bush. GE and MSNBC, I n eed not answer that, because it's another red herring, not actually connected with what we're talking about. Nice try, though.
@MrWhyble She didn't institute racism, and the story was about her redemption from the path of racism, and she wasn't even working in government at this time! She worked for a nonprofit. This is all in the name of scare-mongering white voters into thinking Obama is racist, and that he's seeking reparations by "wealth redistribution" of white peoples' money. Now does the racist narrative at FNC become clearer to you?
@MrWhyble The fact that the immigration issue was worse under Bush is lost on most conservatives. They seem to pretend it just began under Obama, like deficit spending and the recession. The federal government DID try reforming the immigration laws, only to be filibustered to death by Republicans. Then, Republicans use that self-inflicted failure to point out that the federal government isn't doing anything to fix immigration! It's all so very disingenuous on the right's part.
@MrWhyble BECK IS RACIST. On his twitter account, he favorited a white supremacy tweet on July 8th, taking it down almost a full month later when liberal blogs "discovered it." He obviously didn't know favorites were public. He's definitely a racist.
@MrWhyble Obama doesn't have a "progressive operation to destroy America." Here I was thinking we were having a serious discussion, and you jump off the deep end into loonyville. Get a grip.
@MrWhyble Obviously, so they don't have any more pull no election outcomes than did ACORN, yet to hear Beck tell it, the Tea Party are virtuous Americans, and ACORN is a radical communist outfit rigging any election it participates in. The Tea Party WERE instrumental in getting truck-drivin' Scott Brown elected, in the same sense Sarah Palin is helping other "Tea Party" candidates get elected. The TPE was a leading Tea Party group, and was in fact sponsored by FNC.
@MrWhyble Soros has nothing to do with MM, and He has every right to fund who he wishes as an American citizen. You don't know much about Soros other than what you've heard from these right wing political hacks. I'm not avoiding any questions. You're introducing a red herring into our discussion about why it's so difficult to call out the obvious racists within your ranks, (Not your, specifically, obviously, but Tea Party) and instead calls the leading civil rights group in the country racist.
@MrWhyble He was on Shirley Sherrod's side the whole time? You don't listen to Beck's radio program, I gather. He went off on her and the "fact" that she was a government official instituting racism against whites at the USDA. Look it up.
The reason why the White house was critical of Fox is they are "Actively" organizing rallies, which is not reporting the news but trying to influence politics. This action makes them a political group and not a news agency. They also have reported on Denocrates with facts which are not facts but fabrications. Fox was tried in court and won a ruling that stated yes Fox has lied deliberatly but there is no law that prevents news agencies from doing that.
All of these "news" shows have become chewable clips of truth. Is it true? Ultimately, as Whoopi says, it's up for you to decide. My advice would be -- If you seek the truth, don't depend on a talking box.
@MrWhyble Well, when reading the Texas GOP Platform it's hard not to come to that conclusion. Hearing all the rhetoric surrounding the "Ground Zero Mosque" doesn't help matters either. Beck himself is a racist.
@MrWhyble I never said they were "the leader" but they did hold the forefront, and were connected with both the Tea Party Federation and another major Tea Party group whose name escapes me at the moment. I'm not the one crediting the TPE for helping elect Scott Brown; THEY were, as well as Scott Brown himself.
@MrWhyble Why throw in Soros? He has nothing to do with either MSNBC OR Media Matters. I don't understand why it would be ahrd for you to believe the black man just might've been racist. FNC has no qualms with calling our president racist against whites, and calling most other blacks they don't agree with racist against whites, yet it's unfathomable that a racist black man may be racist against his own kind, or being used as a pawn by folks who despise having a black president?
@MrWhyble Exactly, and that's my major issue. The immigration process is so restrictive, it leaves many with little choice. What would you do, if you were in their shoes? The vast majority are hard-working, law-abiding folks who just want to provide a better future for their family. Yet all the demagoguery would have you believe they're all here because they want to rape your woman, and kill nuns, and mule drugs, all while keeping the laws restrictive, so they can have a cheap labor force.
@MrWhyble Guilt by leadership, not just association. LOL Yes, Mark was kicked out, but only after his highly offensive "letter to Abe," not after his highly offensive remarks about Obama being an "Indonesian Muslim turned Welfare Thug" and a "racist in chief." The TPE may not be the main figure-head, but who is the one being pushed by FNC? Who helped Scott Brown ride to victory?
@MrWhyble They broke the law, to be sure, but they didn't "come here illegally" as so many demagogues would have you believe. Was Reagan a commie liberal when he granted amnesty to over 3 million undocumented workers?
What are you talking about "checks"? I'm not sure what you're driving at there.
@MrWhyble Bet you didn't know blacks can be racist against their own kind, too? It's called Stockholm Syndrome. And, where did you get this info? The liberal idea isn't a "nanny state," as you derisively claim it to bem, but a country in which EVERYONE gets an equal opportunity at success. Not an equality of outcomes, but an equality of opportunity. Why is that hard to fathom? Liberals want to let gays marry other gays, and many other individual freedoms denied by conservatives.
@MrWhyble Well, when you have the spokespeople of your party/movement airing openly racist sentiment on national air, it kind iof speaks for itself. When you refuse to repudiate the racists among your ranks, then accuse the NAACP, the foremost organization for civil rights, of being racist themselves, that shhows an obvious problem with race in your ranks, and not only your ranks, but your leadership. Why is it so hard to just repudiate the obvious racists among you?
@MrWhyble The governor and mayor of New York are for the building, as are MANY New Yorkers, and the city council voted UNANIMOUSLY in favor of the "Ground Zero Mosque." I think that equating "illegal immigrant" with "Mexican" is the problem. Did you know that most of the undocumented workers we have came here legally, but overstayed their welcome?
@MrWhyble When did I say I feel that "all conservatives are racist"? Being for a homogenous society doesn't necessarily make one a racist, but makes one obviously against the constitutional properties that allow ALL to be free, as opposed to just letting them be free in their own "comfort zone," i.e. sans all the things that can make them uncomfortable, which sometimes includes people of different ethnic backgrounds. Like I said, google Texas GOP Platform, and you'll find out why I feel this way
@MrWhyble Republicans have demonstrably SHOWN the amount of power they have. There are capitulations at every turn, they control the dialog of many Americans, who believe this president has been divisive, when that's not true, and they routinely hold bills up, and run the news cycle like it's their washing machine. Don't tell me they're powerless when I know better.
@MrWhyble FNC claims they're a better news outlet simply because they have more viewers, which couldn't be further from the truth. You can verify everything you see on MSNBC, while on FNC, you're most likely getting half the story, if that part's even true. They're verifiably false, more often than not. See the difference? And, FNC is owned by a foreigner and their biggest stock holder is a Saudi Prince, yet they've got you all fooled that *they're* somehow the voice of the American people. LOL
@MrWhyble "Real" conservatives? What, to you, constitutes a "real" conservative. Good luck finding any on this year's campaign trail. LOL The truth is, liberals stand for the maximum amount of individual freedom, while it is "conservatives" who are bent on telling folks how to live. Can't be gay, Muslim, Mexican, black, or any of these other *dis*qualifiers if you want to live in a Conservative's America. Freedom to be who we are extends to all, not just white males.
@MrWhyble Ahem, liberals love this country, and in fact, it's provable, even by today's actions, that conservatives could care less about the constitution. Google "Texas GOP Platform" and that should give you a fair idea of how the GOP feels about the constitution. They claim to love it, but then want to abandon the 14th amendmend, not to mention the fourth. They want to crap on Muslims' first amendment rights. These are the people you're trying to defend. Why?
@MrWhyble You are incorrect. My parents are "Tea Partiers" and I'm never calling them "teabaggers." And, they aren't racist, well, my stepdad is a little, but most regular folks in the TEA Party aren't racist, just the movement and it's "founders." Anyone who writes a "letter to Abe" in Ben Jealous' name, the way Mark Williams did, is a flat-out racist. What's so hard with rebuking the obvious racists within your midst? I don't understand.
@MrWhyble They are, and they're part of the same corporate/government marriage that needs to be dissolved, before we become a fascist state. MSNBC, if you ACTUALLY paid attention, is NOT "run" by this administration. When was the last time you saw our president on there giving an interview? They also criticize the president, far more than FNC ever DREAMT of criticizing Bush. I find it laughable that this discussion is even going on. And, who are we "taking Washington and America" back from? Us?
@MrWhyble He wants to get us away from the pay-for-play politics. He wants to divorce the government from corporate America, and try his best to do away with the lobbyist controls of congress. If you think his past "screams" anit-American Marxist, you would say the same about me, but I'm no marxist, and I love my country. You're buying wholesale what Glenn Beck is selling, and it's a load of bullshit.
@MrWhyble I et my news from ALL sources, including Fox "News" Channel. Obama HAS to deficit spend. He wasn't handed a balanced checkbook when he got in. Don't pretend you're a deficit hawk, because if you were, you'd have popped a capillary over Bush's tax cuts. The federal gov't was increased dramatically under Bush. Stop trying to whitewash history, while also blaming Obama for things he hasn't done. What "federal controls" are you talking about?! You're too general. I need specifics.
@MrWhyble Yes, I believe he still would've been elected. The man's upbringing was just fine, and guilt-by-association doesn't fly with American voters.Obama isn't an "America hater." You're still being too general.
@MrWhyble This administration was voted in by the people. How in the hell would they be at war with the same folks who put them there? Remember, he's the first president to be voted in with a majority since Reagan. Seriously, where were you at when Bush set about destroying this country's finances and constitution? How exactly is Obama "at war" with the constitution, or our freedoms, specifically? Please, don't be so general.
@MrWhyble Uhm, I served in both theaters. This is as much a war as any we've fought. FNC was constantly harping on liberals being "unpatriotic" because we were questioning our president during a time of war. Now, they want everyone to believe it's the only patriotic thing to do, to question our president, even during a time of war.
the problem with fox news as well as other news stations is that they are biased to begin with. the reason fox is being singled out is because their newscasters have republican viewpoints and they butcher any guest on their show that is democratic in opinion.
The problem with fox news is they are not reporting the news they are now making the news. News is reporting what occured. Fox reports on opinion that fox has on what happened. They suggest things then report on the suggestion then go on about how true this suggestion might be and in the mist of all this that becomes the news and before you know its headlining news.
All talking points! Stop watching mainstream news, i.e. fox news channel, msnbc, and cnn, etc. they feed lies 24/7.. they are controlled by the same scum. its called divide and conquer. fox is controlled opposition. they don't really report anything cnn is vice versa. obama is just a puppet like all presidents are. he is in fact serving the same elite that bush served. stop buying corporate propaganda. America is being destroyed by design watch the Obama Deception and Fall of The Republic.
The View is liberal. The blond is obviously an intelligent career woman. The other women are ACTORS. Keep that in mind. They have knowledge but it will never be surpassed by reason. Keep in mind also that the blond is not a supporter of FOX News.
They say FOX is a mindset of the Republican Party. What are shows like Olbermann and Maddow? Democrat Party. We need to be smart about this. Party lines makes people too fucking stupid. Every station is pushing their agenda. Watch both and be informed
Elisabeth Hesselbeck, The news can be issued with the opinion of the reporter, it does not distort the facts. The use of selective editing, connotation scripting and the overt lies which FOX has employed has made it a laughing stock. They appeal to the lowest common denomination.
Just like you ladies Fox News is trying to sell a product. That product is it's self. The problem is Fox News' idea of what "news" is: is different then the "unbias truth" that is normally associated, by the population, with the term News.
I Love Fox News!!! yeah! for all u haters, theres a thing called "Different channels" so if u dont like Fox news then change ur channel. u can call us who watch Fox news, morons and brainwashed, all u want. but people who dont like to know the truth r the ones who usually like to degrade others. pathetic. I LOVE FOX NEWS!!!!!!
When did Obama ever "ask" people not to watch Fox News? When did he ever try and silence them? What a ridiculous argument Hasselbeck made... typical from people on the right, though.
Fox News isnt. Anyone who treats Fox News as credible news outlet is a certifiable moron, or liar. These thugs dont just insert an opinion here and there; they are propagandists hiding the truth at every opportunity; doing their best to undermine democracy for their ideologue paymasters. The more you buy Fox New's trash the more pitifully confused and further from the truth you will become; the more indoctrinated you will become; Fox "News" is designed for this purpose. Accept these facts ftw :P
No one can deny that Fox news analysts are more conservative than other stations, and neither does Fox itself. But that hardly makes Fox a "research arm of the Republican party," or their regular news coverage "biased," particularly when they are often quite critical of Republicans. The fact is that they are the only news station willing to say anything or cover any story that makes Obama look bad, so the Obama administration fears it, and that is why Anita Dunn made that rediculous claim.
Isn't fox news just a republican news station in disguise? Not a very good one obviously but one none the less. Ofcourse they are going against the white house because its swarmed with liberals and democrats. They aren't incharge anymore. Fox news can go suck an egg.
@fuckisnotadirtyword No they don't. Fox doesn't "protest against the government" per se. They didn't protest against the war on Iraq, they didn't protest a ban on stem cell research, they didn't protest Bush's oposition to Gay marriage. Fox News is not anti-government, just anti good government, anti anything but neoliberal, socially conservative, for the rich by the rich, government. Fox News does not stand for the truth, the underdog or working man; but the rich few and the Republican Party.
@mathewjohn5174 Because Fox claims they are "Fair and Balanced" and that they are fair to the President when they clearly aren't. They also attack the President based on false accusations and lies that have been debunked several times.
fox is obviously just an opposition "news" station. fox is actively organizing anti-government and anti-obama rallies. msnbc has never done anything like that. both are biased in their own directions, but msnbc doesnt actively promote, endorse, and openly help the politicians on their side.
Actually the TEA parties are organizing anti-government and anti-obama rallies. Fox is just the only news organization that hasn't written tea partiers off as racists, which is a cop-out accusation in the first place.
are you kidding me? the 9/12 project was entirely done by glenn beck and his cronies. there has been video after video after video of showing fox news' bias in the rallies. and many of the teapartiers were undeniably racist. when you hold up signs depicting obama as a monkey or saying "go back to africa," you are obviously being racist
Beck is an employee of Fox not Fox itself. He has the right to organize the 9/12 project if he sees corruption in his government. Although I suppose you could make the argument that Beck represents Fox, but so what? Maybe Fox and its employees feel the need to protest the Obama admin b/c they made an attack on its credibility as a "real" news station, without providing any evidence, btw.
1. your first sentence is practically the definition of "semantics"
2. of course he has the right to do that. of course fox news has the right to do that. nobody is arguing otherwise. the problem we have with fox is that it is an extremely biased "news" station that calls itself "fair and balanced." it is opposition news, opinion news, yet presents itself has a legitimate news station. if they just admitted they were a conservative news station i would have absolutely no problem with them
The D party currently controls the executive and legislative branches. Obama Reid & Pelosi are trying desperately to push a wildly unpopular & unconstitutional bill through bribes. Meanwhile Fox is the only station critical of Obama & the D party while other news stations ignore the ACORN scandal and focus on discrediting Palin. Then the White House has Dunn appear on CNN & claim that Fox lies and pushes R propaganda w/out citing any examples. Yeah THAT makes sense. Lets believe Dunn.
@gracehi "without citing any eamples"? Are you blind or just ignorant? Switch to Fox News and watch for five minutes; there is your example of rightwing bias :P The only peice I've ever seen on Fox, and Ive suffered too much of it, that wasn't pure rightwing corporate feadalism was a peice on marijuana prohibition, that I'm guessing was opportunistic popularism since generally they deem smokers as "left" and therefore evil baby eaters (meanwhile Fox supports bombing babies in the Middle East).
wow you sure do talk a lot. the news is supposed to tell the truth. at least thats what it was intended to do. if you think fox is unbiased then you seriously need some help
Excuse me? i think you are the one that needs help because you are a liberal and you support Obama. Obama hasn't done one good thing for this country. Why do you continue to blindly support him when he is screwing us over? More people are waking up and realizing what a fraud and a joke he is. Did Scott Brown's victory win not send a message to you? Get some medication for your liberalism. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
i never said once that i was a liberal. just because i don't feel fox news is legitimate news, doesn't mean i am automatically a liberal. just like you believing fox news is legitimate does not mean your are a conservative. what reveals you are a liberal is to not even consider the fact that if obama hadn't been elected president we could be a lot worse off than we are right now. i agree that obama has yet to do everything he promised, but he is saving our country from economic collapse
im pretty sure elizabeth needs to shut the fuck up. the white house isn't afraid of fox news finding flaws in the government, they are afraid that people will believe the ridiculous rumors that fox news idiots start. i agree with whoopie. fox news isn't letting people make their own opinion. they are just picking one side and then dramatizing everything. fox news needs to go off air
fashion-as opposed to the cheerleaders in the other stations? How about this: obama has surrounded himself with self proclaimed marxists, communists, and socialists. that's FINE if you're into that kind of thing which I'm not.
And because YOU agree with whoopie, does that mean that you aren't able to form your own opinion 'cause that idiot woman says it's fine? remember, she also thinks the rape of a 13 year old girl "isn't really rape" agree with the smart one, yeah?
and fox needs to go off air? What the fuck is wrong with YOU? Is this not America? Do we not get to hear all sides of a story? How about when obama gets the fuck out of office and the next administration comes in and says, "msnbc... you're out" I, as a conservative would be very offended and would raise the roof should anyone threaten ANY form of media/press. You're entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong.
and somehow amid all this bullshit, when Glenn Beck finds a flaw or shows a video of one of the "czars" saying something completely anti american (i.e. opposite of our constitution) they only attack him personally. They NEVER address the issue... all they can say is "racist" or "fear monger" why not take issue with issue? I don't attempt to asasinate katie couric's character because she doesn't ask why jennings is the safe school "czar". and fox is the only one asking about CZARS.
you should be OFFENDED that no one on msnbc, cnbc, nbc (all owned by General Electric... profiting from the global warming scam) has asked what the fuck we're doing with so many people on staff that were not voted in or vetted!
But if you don't care, that's certainly your right. I pay a LOT of taxes and I care who's getting paid off of them.
The blonde conservative doesn't fully understand censorship. It's not censorship if someone says/claims something that you don't agree with. Censorship is silencing people.
She is actually pretty hazy on a number of topics. I have personally never watched an entire show of the view, but in the clips I have seen of Maher, O'Reilly etc. she is the typical far right conservative.
'The View' is such utter dross. Barbara Walter is as ignorant a sow as ever there were. I pity anyone that considers it a legitimate source of unbiased information.
@survivalofone this is not a news source, but it is more liberal than conservative. Elizabeth is the only conservative, while Sherrie is somewhat conservative.
elizabeth just doesnt get it... shes pushing the typical talking point of censorship and not allowing fox news to do what they do when it is nothing like that. the white house is simply ignoring fox and not fucking with their far-right, lying propaganda agenda. why cant fox news just deal with that and stop crying?
apose to msnbc cnn abc far left agenda righttttttttt. Fox news is the closest to teh center then any news out there. If you don't believe that well then you are simply not watching all the news station you can to get your own opinion
The Obama campaign's press strategy leading up to his election last November focused on "making" the media cover what the campaign wanted and on exercising absolute "control" over coverage, White House Communications Director Anita Dunn told an overseas crowd early this year.
Just a little bit of advice for the super slow liberals. Don't say you want debate and welcome questions and different views and then run away from anyone that asks a tough question. It really makes you look like liars and very weak. It also shows that you don't respect freedom of religion and different views. Basicaly it shows how biased you are, how intollerant, hateful, discriminatory, evil you all really are. Your true colors are being shown.
Motion: Dont forget to add how incredibly ignorant and stupid they are. Take JohnnyBB82 for instance.
He thinks the TARP bill is Bush's fault. While I do blame Bush for signing the stupid thing based on the faith he put in the Goldman Sacs Sec of Treasury and the NYC FED tax cheat Tim Geithner
He totally ignores the fact that he Democrats wrote TARP. and they're the ones whose passed it , revoting after the GOP Conservatives in the House killed it
@VinceP1974 They passed it after failing to pass it. I know the facts in the case. It was Bush's administration that pushed for it. And, it was President Bush who, while he did have a veto pen, ignored it, and signed the dotted line. Don't pretend Bush isn't culpable.
I've been trying to debate, but you and your side want to completely wash Bush's hands clean of what happened, and wash the Republican party's hands clean of the Bush presidency. My memory extends past Jan. 20th 2009, unlike most conservatives. And, btw, intolerance of intolerance is not in itself intolerance. It just says there is no tolerance for bigoted and exclusionary politics in today's society.
I'm historically accurate. It's typical conservatism to dismiss actual conversation, then attack the person they're supposed to be debating, instead of looking for actual counter arguments. You have no proof that liberals are in any rational sense "intolerant," because, like I said, intolerance of intolerance is not the same as your intolerance of differences, whether they be of opinion, or lifestyle, or color of skin, or gender, all of which are bias bastions of right wingers like you.
You know for you Christians to be happy and peaceful with Jesus in your life you all have an odd way of showing it. Why should we atheist follow your beliefs when you don't either? All this does is that there is isn't a God or Jesus to accept in one's life because there isn't a change in peoples life when they do. It's all made up.
These comments about FOX are beneath senior White House staff. To most people, this just looks like a the Obama administration throwing their toys out of the pram because all of a sudden the honeymoon is over. How about getting on with the serious business of running America?
I'm no fan of Fox News, but there has been LEFT-wing bias across the media for DECADES and that was accepted as standard procedure. Anyone who questioned it was considered a reactionary. Huge double standard!
Right, and Bush didn't single out and then specifically avoid MSNBC, or pay reporters to write favorable columns about his administration, or any of that. How incredibly short-sighted conservatives have been, history wise, especially recent history.
To be clear - I am not and do not seek to defend the Bush administration. I am a small-government Conservative; Bush most certainly was NOT that. During his time in office, America saw it's deficit balloon and he wiped out the surplus left to him by Clinton (not my favourite guy either, but facts are facts).
Just because I'm a Conservative doesn't mean I also support Bush. He was elected largely based on a religious agenda which has nothing do with Conservatism here in Britain.
However, the point about the press remains. Whether Democrats want to publicly admit it or not - the mainstream media has a tendency to present a positive version of the Left's arguments and to generally look upon Democrat policies and attitudes favourably.
It's the same here in Britain. This is not some crazy conspiracy theory - it's undeniable. Those with any guts who work in the media have said as much, too. This is a real issue - to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.
The news is supposed to be open to any ideas and look at them all equality, regardless of personal faiths or beliefs. They're supposed to be liberal to an extent.
I would like to see conservative news that's fair and balanced but that doesn't exist. Fox tosses around racism, homophobia, and religious ideology. I encourage respectable conservatives to start backfiring against Fox news, they're bad for your image. I'm sure you guys have good ideas but we can't hear them over the bible bashing.
Actually you sound more Libertarian than Republican. Leave Fox so you don't get put into the same boat as Republicans because for the most part Republicans support Bush. Libertarians are like Conservatives that hate Bush so they want their own ways (yes I know that's more to them than that).
A Libertarian news network could be very successful for you guys.
I agree with some areas of the Libertarian view, but no - I don't consider myself one. The main reason is that I believe their are some essential services that should be run by central government - i.e. the police and education - whilst libertarians usually argue these should be privatised.
I'm more of a Neo-Liberal in the style of Thatcher and Reagan. Even Thatcher, a radical reformer, did not and never would privatise health and education. Bush is not a conservative - he's an embarrassment.
On the issue of Fox, the problem I have is not the opinion it sets forth (after all, every other news broadcaster has an agenda - why not fox?) but it's poor journalism that lacks any sort of intellectual rigour. But this is symptomatic of the wider Conservative movement in America during the Bush years. Where Reagan espoused a form of small-government Conservatism that sought to empower the individual, Bush played to the religious right in a reactionary manner for pure political expediency.
In Fox' own words, they claim to have 9 hours a day of actual "news" programming, with a total of 5 anchors that are actual "reporters," in their words. But, can you name any of them? I bet you can name any number of their opinion "journalists" though. That's the point we're trying to make, they're not news, but tabloid journalism, tricking a good number of Americans into actually believing they're getting news from this organization, when in fact all they're getting is opinion marketed as news.
Actually, studies have shown that the "liberal" media actually do more favorable coverage for the Republican candidate, regardless of who that person happens to be. In regards to Sarah Palin, however, there could've been no favorable spin about her. It's also proven that liberals tend to formally complain about their news-media than conservatives. It's a red herring that conservatives constantly complain about a liberal bias, because all the while, they're getting their way, & Fox is 1 in cable.
a helium-voiced blonde with toilet paper tied around her neck voicing an opinion about OPINIONS? a woman who declares she's confused about why "they would wage this war on fox"? a hollywood square and a caustic nasally comedienne throwing in their two cents, hyped up on caffeine like the other two? i think I'M a little confused now. this is something people actually watch? i'm glad i've never actually seen this on my own televisison. wow.
omg, the white house is treating fox news like its an opposition outlet because they are actively forming and promoting protests against the white house, which no other "news" outlet does when did the lines between honest news and politics become so blurry?
People who watch Fox news already have there mind made up on what they want to hear, to reinforce what they already believe.Someone skeptical could say the same about the other side,although I don't see MSNBC organizing tea rallies or saying the president is trying to indoctrinate schoolkids. Or not born in the united sates,but anyhow.There ratings are going up with the same kind of people. ABC still has twice as many viewers,I personally like National public Radio, as more fair & balanced.
When did the lines between honest news and politics blur and cross??? FOX's numbers are up because THEY say there up. Just like back when Al Gore won the presidency and FOX news said that Bush won and people BELIEVED it!! Ridiculous. Time to pull your heads out of your third point of contact people and stop paying attention to ANY of these "News" channels, especially FOX. They're all dribble.
i feel like slappin that blonde chick, she was doin wat was typical of fox news. when did obama or his administration tell anyone not 2 watch fox? they only said they werent gonna deal with em but this glorified airhead keeps sayin obama said dont watch fox news.
Fox News is NOT a news organization. If they were, they would not consistently side with Republicans, using their talking points and memos. They were consistently in the pocket of Bush, getting exclusive coverage of his administration many times over. Fox News even employs many former administration officials and Bush family members. Remember when it was "unpatriotic" to question a wartime president? What changed? Oh yeah, the president, from R to D.
It figures I get three thumbs down, but no reply from any of you cowards. My comment is true, and no one wants to face up to it. Fox News are hypocritical in the worst way, and unpatriotic and disingenuous at the same time. Again, I ask, what changed when before it was "unpatriotic to question a wartime president"? Don't be scared.
On the new comment, but click on the "read all comments" link and you'll see me replying to my first comment positing the same question with three thumbs down.
Elisabeth, the bubble-headed bleach blonde. You can see her led by her emotions. Typical beauty queen.
Fox and MSNBC are both extremist news outlets. NO television news outlet in today's world serves us well. They are driven by profit, hence, they are driven by ratings. They pursue niche audiences. They use marketing techniques... like the cliffhanger before the commercial. They all are shameful.
Newspapers are dying. Too bad. We certainly cannot trust televised news.
republicans just try to make news out of anything and see what sticks.
what network did Bush do his interviews on? and how many times did he appear on msnbc news? this isnt anything new. just like speaking to school children wasn't anything new
People who support Fox News (mostly Republicans), who are currently blaming the administration, whining and carrying on are the same people which said "Were not showing Obama's speech in our school." Where's the difference?
This is ridiculous, Fox News and MSNBC are both bias one to the left one to the right. However out of the two Fox is worse all they do is outright lie, distort facts, and push off there opinion programming. It's not news. MSNBC you at least get the news it's just composed in a very liberal manner.
if you rednecks think fox is not SCEWED AS HELL watch the documentary called "ruperd murdochs WAR on journalism." it's an axiomatic fact that they are NOT NEWS period rednecks.
If you're the president and part of an administration that calls out a news-station, there will be people who will side with that President because they can't think for themselves. For example: the last election. It is a form of Mccarthyism because you have no facts in defense of your case in regards to that source. By the way, msnbc, cnn etc. all lean left. It's a double standard. So liberals, stop playing stupid.
There are people who side with the president because glenn beck,someone who claims to be 100% american, say shit like "When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."
or, even better, "I'm not saying Obama is a sleeper agent of the KGB trained in Kenya then sent to the United States so that several decades later he could become president and make subtle changes to America making it more communist, but I'm not saying he isn't either."
sleeves04- Glenn Beck is a political commentator. Just like Hannity, O'reilly, Olbermann, Maddow etc. Ok, Beck made a stupid comment. One I don't agree with. But, I highly doubt people side with Obama due to that remark. I sure as hell don't side with Obama, yet disagree with the beck-comment. I don't sellout my conservative-views over a stupid comment. Of course, I can also think for myself. I do believe Obama is a fascist/socialist. I'm also not convinced Obama was born in hawaii.
A stupid comment? as in...singular? the singular indefinite article? Just one stupid comment?
And I'm so glad you've demonstrated to me that you have no understanding of political ideologies and when they conflict. Fascism and socialism... So obama is far right and far left wing at the same exact time.
And I guess despite all the overwhelming evidence against you, you're still comfortable thinking obama isn't a citizen born in the US.
sleeves04- "made a stupid comment", yes, that's singular. Very good! So even you admit that, Obama being the most liberal democrat, is a socialist. And he is also a fascist. He has managed to incorporate govt. into the same bed, along-side private business. Banks, automakers and he's trying with healthcare. Obama has spent $1.3 million in legal fees to fight any efforts to obtain his birth certificate and college records. Am I comfortable? Of course. There's no evidence against what I say.
How can one be a fascist and a socialist at the same time, when those are on opposite sides of the political spectrum? That statement shows me right there that you're not "thinking for yourself," but spouting Fox "News" talking points. Also, what more proof would you need to understand Obama was born in Hawaii? A time machine to actually see his birth in Hawaii?
You can say that, just like I can say corporate fascism and capitalism are one in the same. This doesn't change the fact that fascism is on the right and socialism is on the left.
I could say that because I read Mussolini... I could say that because it's the historical truth.
You can say what you want because you're ignorant of those facts and are parroting Soviet-originated misinformation about Fascism (I dont accuse you of doing this willfully, but that is what you're doing)... misinformation that sought to delegitmize Fascism in the eyes of Leftists seeking alternatives to Communism.
And I could say you're a subscriber to the John Birch Society, a believer in Glenn Beck and W. Cleon Skousen, and a shill of Fox News. But, I'm not going to. Know why? Because it's useless. Fascism is on the right side of ideology, socialism on the left. I subscribe to neither, but it shows a lack of historical knowledge and depth to combine the two as an attack on someone.
Fascism is the extreme right, just like socialism is the extreme left. Just because someone is a Democrat doesn't automatically make them a "socialist," and the same for Republicans, they aren't automatically fascists.
Way to take something and run to it's extreme conclusion, Glenn.
Suppression of inheritance and luxury tax, suppression of taxes on foreign capital; life insurance transferred to private enterprises in 1923, state monopoly on telephones and matches was abandoned, etc. Sounds a lot more like corporate Republicanism than it does Obama or modern liberalism to me...
Obama- In America,we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations.
Associated Press 7/14/19 A raid of bin Ladens Pakistan compound in May reportedly turned up documents showing the al Qaeda leader had a gay lover: CBS News confirmed that intelligence gathered at the raid on bin Ladens compound in Pakistan revealed that he had became obsessed with Gay porn.
It has been confirmed that Osama had a scret love affair with Chris Mathews from MSNBC Osama and Mathews were to be married in San Francisco by Rosie Odonnel It wa to be televised on the Oprah Network
tweeetme 6 months ago
I think it was much less that it isn't a legitimate news station (which will often if not always deliver opinion with news segments) but that it actively organized protests against government, making it actual government opposition.
That the lady is trying to pass it as censorship is just ridiculous.
bernardmvella 7 months ago
@bernardmvella
exactly!
saar144 4 months ago
That blonde chick on the right is really good looking. She has beautiful, radiant skin and lovely bone structure. Of course she's so hideously stupid and gullibly ignorant of history, current affairs, politics, and all things non-fashion/makeup related that her favourite scarf is sometimes heard to hiss "moron!" at some of the things that fall out of her mouth.
The president is commonly accused, by Fox, of being a foreign born, communist Muslim, and she thinks HE'S the McCarthyist...
arthurneddysmith 11 months ago
Was that blonde idiot about to say that if her President asks her not to watch a channel she wouldn't watch it? wow...
gary83uk 11 months ago
there is nothing wrong with fox. the lady reporters on fox are foxy.
leonarddaccardi 1 year ago
Fox admits themselves they are not a News organization. C'mon you god damn yanks, do you fucking ever listen? Your country is becoming a shithole because you people are sooo fucking stupid!
futeki16 1 year ago
@futeki16 Why is it called Fox News then??
Ladiestreat 1 year ago
EH is hot. The others are blocking the view.
xxjustunxx 1 year ago
whats the deal with EH's face @ 1:04 ? lol
siranwrap 1 year ago
foxnews to the white house..."thank you"
ptsmmrs 1 year ago
The blonde obviously has no idea what McCarthyism or censorship is.
Nejiboud 1 year ago 10
@Nejiboud Yet she's smarter than you.
RadarGuidedVermin 5 months ago
Is this a joke????? Like every other news station isn't EXACTLY the same as Fox?? There are plenty of liberal peddling stations as well.
lilmo613 1 year ago
Who the fuck watches the View anyway? It's such a joke!
bluelite7x 1 year ago
@bluelite7x well technically you're watching it right now
simaacity 1 year ago 2
Fox is exactly 'Talk news.' I think Ms Goldberg explained what Fox news is doing clearly when she said Fox news puts their news out as "This is what they are doing and you're going to die!" That's Fox news.
AudioIndi 1 year ago
0.50 Wait a second, the news channel dint show the victory over Afghanistan and iraq? Did America had a victory? Thats news flash to me. All i can see the dead troops coming every month.
HitmanOnline 1 year ago
having an opinion on specific issues is a one thing, but to have a subjective agenda is another. According to Fox no matter what President Barack Obama does it is bad, or insufficient. Other news outlets will vary their opinion based upon the issue at hand, sometimes they are with the President sometimes they are not, but Fox is always against the President no matter what.
Zyworski 1 year ago
Faux News is different: They ORGANIZE tea movements AND Anti-Government Protests... They are the ONLY organization that does that. Simple.
seekingpenance 1 year ago
@MrWhyble I just read this recent back and forth with Jiohnny..... You have my sympathies. It was maddening to read.
VinceP1974 1 year ago
@MrWhyble You apparently misunderstood what I wrote and decided to take it all very out-of-context. I said it was the right-wing scare tactic to make white voters BELIEVE Obama is out to "redistribute" their "wealth" to black folks for reparations. It's all utter bullshit, and it's the same tactic used by Nixon in the 60's to get elected. It was called the Southern Strategy. Look it up.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble There were no charges brought to ACORN about "voter fraud" or any of the other ludicrous claims made by the extreme right on this subject. MSNBC does like Obama, never said they didn't, but they're also far more critical of him than FNC ever dreamt of being to Bush. GE and MSNBC, I n eed not answer that, because it's another red herring, not actually connected with what we're talking about. Nice try, though.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble She didn't institute racism, and the story was about her redemption from the path of racism, and she wasn't even working in government at this time! She worked for a nonprofit. This is all in the name of scare-mongering white voters into thinking Obama is racist, and that he's seeking reparations by "wealth redistribution" of white peoples' money. Now does the racist narrative at FNC become clearer to you?
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble The fact that the immigration issue was worse under Bush is lost on most conservatives. They seem to pretend it just began under Obama, like deficit spending and the recession. The federal government DID try reforming the immigration laws, only to be filibustered to death by Republicans. Then, Republicans use that self-inflicted failure to point out that the federal government isn't doing anything to fix immigration! It's all so very disingenuous on the right's part.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble BECK IS RACIST. On his twitter account, he favorited a white supremacy tweet on July 8th, taking it down almost a full month later when liberal blogs "discovered it." He obviously didn't know favorites were public. He's definitely a racist.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Obama doesn't have a "progressive operation to destroy America." Here I was thinking we were having a serious discussion, and you jump off the deep end into loonyville. Get a grip.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Obviously, so they don't have any more pull no election outcomes than did ACORN, yet to hear Beck tell it, the Tea Party are virtuous Americans, and ACORN is a radical communist outfit rigging any election it participates in. The Tea Party WERE instrumental in getting truck-drivin' Scott Brown elected, in the same sense Sarah Palin is helping other "Tea Party" candidates get elected. The TPE was a leading Tea Party group, and was in fact sponsored by FNC.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Soros has nothing to do with MM, and He has every right to fund who he wishes as an American citizen. You don't know much about Soros other than what you've heard from these right wing political hacks. I'm not avoiding any questions. You're introducing a red herring into our discussion about why it's so difficult to call out the obvious racists within your ranks, (Not your, specifically, obviously, but Tea Party) and instead calls the leading civil rights group in the country racist.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble He was on Shirley Sherrod's side the whole time? You don't listen to Beck's radio program, I gather. He went off on her and the "fact" that she was a government official instituting racism against whites at the USDA. Look it up.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
The reason why the White house was critical of Fox is they are "Actively" organizing rallies, which is not reporting the news but trying to influence politics. This action makes them a political group and not a news agency. They also have reported on Denocrates with facts which are not facts but fabrications. Fox was tried in court and won a ruling that stated yes Fox has lied deliberatly but there is no law that prevents news agencies from doing that.
Zooni2 1 year ago
All of these "news" shows have become chewable clips of truth. Is it true? Ultimately, as Whoopi says, it's up for you to decide. My advice would be -- If you seek the truth, don't depend on a talking box.
SeuCamarada 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Well, when reading the Texas GOP Platform it's hard not to come to that conclusion. Hearing all the rhetoric surrounding the "Ground Zero Mosque" doesn't help matters either. Beck himself is a racist.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble I never said they were "the leader" but they did hold the forefront, and were connected with both the Tea Party Federation and another major Tea Party group whose name escapes me at the moment. I'm not the one crediting the TPE for helping elect Scott Brown; THEY were, as well as Scott Brown himself.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Why throw in Soros? He has nothing to do with either MSNBC OR Media Matters. I don't understand why it would be ahrd for you to believe the black man just might've been racist. FNC has no qualms with calling our president racist against whites, and calling most other blacks they don't agree with racist against whites, yet it's unfathomable that a racist black man may be racist against his own kind, or being used as a pawn by folks who despise having a black president?
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Exactly, and that's my major issue. The immigration process is so restrictive, it leaves many with little choice. What would you do, if you were in their shoes? The vast majority are hard-working, law-abiding folks who just want to provide a better future for their family. Yet all the demagoguery would have you believe they're all here because they want to rape your woman, and kill nuns, and mule drugs, all while keeping the laws restrictive, so they can have a cheap labor force.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Beck is infamous for airin g edited clips, and taking comments out of context. Why would you believe that joker? I mean, seriously?
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Guilt by leadership, not just association. LOL Yes, Mark was kicked out, but only after his highly offensive "letter to Abe," not after his highly offensive remarks about Obama being an "Indonesian Muslim turned Welfare Thug" and a "racist in chief." The TPE may not be the main figure-head, but who is the one being pushed by FNC? Who helped Scott Brown ride to victory?
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble They broke the law, to be sure, but they didn't "come here illegally" as so many demagogues would have you believe. Was Reagan a commie liberal when he granted amnesty to over 3 million undocumented workers?
What are you talking about "checks"? I'm not sure what you're driving at there.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Bet you didn't know blacks can be racist against their own kind, too? It's called Stockholm Syndrome. And, where did you get this info? The liberal idea isn't a "nanny state," as you derisively claim it to bem, but a country in which EVERYONE gets an equal opportunity at success. Not an equality of outcomes, but an equality of opportunity. Why is that hard to fathom? Liberals want to let gays marry other gays, and many other individual freedoms denied by conservatives.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Well, when you have the spokespeople of your party/movement airing openly racist sentiment on national air, it kind iof speaks for itself. When you refuse to repudiate the racists among your ranks, then accuse the NAACP, the foremost organization for civil rights, of being racist themselves, that shhows an obvious problem with race in your ranks, and not only your ranks, but your leadership. Why is it so hard to just repudiate the obvious racists among you?
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble The governor and mayor of New York are for the building, as are MANY New Yorkers, and the city council voted UNANIMOUSLY in favor of the "Ground Zero Mosque." I think that equating "illegal immigrant" with "Mexican" is the problem. Did you know that most of the undocumented workers we have came here legally, but overstayed their welcome?
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble When did I say I feel that "all conservatives are racist"? Being for a homogenous society doesn't necessarily make one a racist, but makes one obviously against the constitutional properties that allow ALL to be free, as opposed to just letting them be free in their own "comfort zone," i.e. sans all the things that can make them uncomfortable, which sometimes includes people of different ethnic backgrounds. Like I said, google Texas GOP Platform, and you'll find out why I feel this way
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Republicans have demonstrably SHOWN the amount of power they have. There are capitulations at every turn, they control the dialog of many Americans, who believe this president has been divisive, when that's not true, and they routinely hold bills up, and run the news cycle like it's their washing machine. Don't tell me they're powerless when I know better.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble FNC claims they're a better news outlet simply because they have more viewers, which couldn't be further from the truth. You can verify everything you see on MSNBC, while on FNC, you're most likely getting half the story, if that part's even true. They're verifiably false, more often than not. See the difference? And, FNC is owned by a foreigner and their biggest stock holder is a Saudi Prince, yet they've got you all fooled that *they're* somehow the voice of the American people. LOL
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble "Real" conservatives? What, to you, constitutes a "real" conservative. Good luck finding any on this year's campaign trail. LOL The truth is, liberals stand for the maximum amount of individual freedom, while it is "conservatives" who are bent on telling folks how to live. Can't be gay, Muslim, Mexican, black, or any of these other *dis*qualifiers if you want to live in a Conservative's America. Freedom to be who we are extends to all, not just white males.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Ahem, liberals love this country, and in fact, it's provable, even by today's actions, that conservatives could care less about the constitution. Google "Texas GOP Platform" and that should give you a fair idea of how the GOP feels about the constitution. They claim to love it, but then want to abandon the 14th amendmend, not to mention the fourth. They want to crap on Muslims' first amendment rights. These are the people you're trying to defend. Why?
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble You are incorrect. My parents are "Tea Partiers" and I'm never calling them "teabaggers." And, they aren't racist, well, my stepdad is a little, but most regular folks in the TEA Party aren't racist, just the movement and it's "founders." Anyone who writes a "letter to Abe" in Ben Jealous' name, the way Mark Williams did, is a flat-out racist. What's so hard with rebuking the obvious racists within your midst? I don't understand.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble They are, and they're part of the same corporate/government marriage that needs to be dissolved, before we become a fascist state. MSNBC, if you ACTUALLY paid attention, is NOT "run" by this administration. When was the last time you saw our president on there giving an interview? They also criticize the president, far more than FNC ever DREAMT of criticizing Bush. I find it laughable that this discussion is even going on. And, who are we "taking Washington and America" back from? Us?
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble He wants to get us away from the pay-for-play politics. He wants to divorce the government from corporate America, and try his best to do away with the lobbyist controls of congress. If you think his past "screams" anit-American Marxist, you would say the same about me, but I'm no marxist, and I love my country. You're buying wholesale what Glenn Beck is selling, and it's a load of bullshit.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble I et my news from ALL sources, including Fox "News" Channel. Obama HAS to deficit spend. He wasn't handed a balanced checkbook when he got in. Don't pretend you're a deficit hawk, because if you were, you'd have popped a capillary over Bush's tax cuts. The federal gov't was increased dramatically under Bush. Stop trying to whitewash history, while also blaming Obama for things he hasn't done. What "federal controls" are you talking about?! You're too general. I need specifics.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Yes, I believe he still would've been elected. The man's upbringing was just fine, and guilt-by-association doesn't fly with American voters.Obama isn't an "America hater." You're still being too general.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble This administration was voted in by the people. How in the hell would they be at war with the same folks who put them there? Remember, he's the first president to be voted in with a majority since Reagan. Seriously, where were you at when Bush set about destroying this country's finances and constitution? How exactly is Obama "at war" with the constitution, or our freedoms, specifically? Please, don't be so general.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
@MrWhyble Uhm, I served in both theaters. This is as much a war as any we've fought. FNC was constantly harping on liberals being "unpatriotic" because we were questioning our president during a time of war. Now, they want everyone to believe it's the only patriotic thing to do, to question our president, even during a time of war.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
the problem with fox news as well as other news stations is that they are biased to begin with. the reason fox is being singled out is because their newscasters have republican viewpoints and they butcher any guest on their show that is democratic in opinion.
mamaflapjacks 1 year ago
The problem with fox news is they are not reporting the news they are now making the news. News is reporting what occured. Fox reports on opinion that fox has on what happened. They suggest things then report on the suggestion then go on about how true this suggestion might be and in the mist of all this that becomes the news and before you know its headlining news.
liyah623 1 year ago
All talking points! Stop watching mainstream news, i.e. fox news channel, msnbc, and cnn, etc. they feed lies 24/7.. they are controlled by the same scum. its called divide and conquer. fox is controlled opposition. they don't really report anything cnn is vice versa. obama is just a puppet like all presidents are. he is in fact serving the same elite that bush served. stop buying corporate propaganda. America is being destroyed by design watch the Obama Deception and Fall of The Republic.
thisisrubenchavez 1 year ago
The View is liberal. The blond is obviously an intelligent career woman. The other women are ACTORS. Keep that in mind. They have knowledge but it will never be surpassed by reason. Keep in mind also that the blond is not a supporter of FOX News.
They say FOX is a mindset of the Republican Party. What are shows like Olbermann and Maddow? Democrat Party. We need to be smart about this. Party lines makes people too fucking stupid. Every station is pushing their agenda. Watch both and be informed
nevaseenamancry 1 year ago
@nevaseenamancry The blond woman is a reality TV star.
Elisabeth Hesselbeck, The news can be issued with the opinion of the reporter, it does not distort the facts. The use of selective editing, connotation scripting and the overt lies which FOX has employed has made it a laughing stock. They appeal to the lowest common denomination.
CoyoteFitzy 1 year ago
@xxzmikezxx funny thing is the blonde is the most intelligent on the show even though she's a tool
nomopoly 1 year ago
Just like you ladies Fox News is trying to sell a product. That product is it's self. The problem is Fox News' idea of what "news" is: is different then the "unbias truth" that is normally associated, by the population, with the term News.
masluxx 1 year ago
I Love Fox News!!! yeah! for all u haters, theres a thing called "Different channels" so if u dont like Fox news then change ur channel. u can call us who watch Fox news, morons and brainwashed, all u want. but people who dont like to know the truth r the ones who usually like to degrade others. pathetic. I LOVE FOX NEWS!!!!!!
HelloWorld1947 1 year ago
it isn't really a war....
shiryet 1 year ago
for real news watch RT
mathewjohn5174 1 year ago
wow, its the blonds against Whoopi Goldberg.
SPSalimian 1 year ago
When did Obama ever "ask" people not to watch Fox News? When did he ever try and silence them? What a ridiculous argument Hasselbeck made... typical from people on the right, though.
GstateBALLER925 1 year ago
Fox News isnt. Anyone who treats Fox News as credible news outlet is a certifiable moron, or liar. These thugs dont just insert an opinion here and there; they are propagandists hiding the truth at every opportunity; doing their best to undermine democracy for their ideologue paymasters. The more you buy Fox New's trash the more pitifully confused and further from the truth you will become; the more indoctrinated you will become; Fox "News" is designed for this purpose. Accept these facts ftw :P
Tuathalful 1 year ago
@xxzmikezxx Oh yeah, anyone who disagrees with you MUST be stupid.
gracehi 1 year ago
xxzmikezxx
"is the blonde as dumb as she sounds? I'm guessing she's republican?! "
No, she's even dumber/stupider. Have no clue why they keep her. Maybe she's doing sexual favors for producers
esquireyes 1 year ago
No one can deny that Fox news analysts are more conservative than other stations, and neither does Fox itself. But that hardly makes Fox a "research arm of the Republican party," or their regular news coverage "biased," particularly when they are often quite critical of Republicans. The fact is that they are the only news station willing to say anything or cover any story that makes Obama look bad, so the Obama administration fears it, and that is why Anita Dunn made that rediculous claim.
gracehi 2 years ago
Isn't fox news just a republican news station in disguise? Not a very good one obviously but one none the less. Ofcourse they are going against the white house because its swarmed with liberals and democrats. They aren't incharge anymore. Fox news can go suck an egg.
pineapplelump333 2 years ago
Fox is organizing protests against the government, why would the white house help someone who is openly opposing them?
fuckisnotadirtyword 2 years ago 2
@fuckisnotadirtyword No they don't. Fox doesn't "protest against the government" per se. They didn't protest against the war on Iraq, they didn't protest a ban on stem cell research, they didn't protest Bush's oposition to Gay marriage. Fox News is not anti-government, just anti good government, anti anything but neoliberal, socially conservative, for the rich by the rich, government. Fox News does not stand for the truth, the underdog or working man; but the rich few and the Republican Party.
Tuathalful 1 year ago
all news agencies express opinion, so why attack just Fox?
mathewjohn5174 2 years ago 5
@mathewjohn5174 Because Fox claims they are "Fair and Balanced" and that they are fair to the President when they clearly aren't. They also attack the President based on false accusations and lies that have been debunked several times.
GstateBALLER925 1 year ago 18
@GstateBALLER925, isnt that illegal?
Darusdei 1 year ago
@mathewjohn5174 more than opinion distortion of the truth at least msnbc admit it when there wrong.
toyprius 1 year ago
fox is obviously just an opposition "news" station. fox is actively organizing anti-government and anti-obama rallies. msnbc has never done anything like that. both are biased in their own directions, but msnbc doesnt actively promote, endorse, and openly help the politicians on their side.
hitch4645 2 years ago
Actually the TEA parties are organizing anti-government and anti-obama rallies. Fox is just the only news organization that hasn't written tea partiers off as racists, which is a cop-out accusation in the first place.
gracehi 2 years ago
are you kidding me? the 9/12 project was entirely done by glenn beck and his cronies. there has been video after video after video of showing fox news' bias in the rallies. and many of the teapartiers were undeniably racist. when you hold up signs depicting obama as a monkey or saying "go back to africa," you are obviously being racist
hitch4645 2 years ago
Beck is an employee of Fox not Fox itself. He has the right to organize the 9/12 project if he sees corruption in his government. Although I suppose you could make the argument that Beck represents Fox, but so what? Maybe Fox and its employees feel the need to protest the Obama admin b/c they made an attack on its credibility as a "real" news station, without providing any evidence, btw.
gracehi 2 years ago
1. your first sentence is practically the definition of "semantics"
2. of course he has the right to do that. of course fox news has the right to do that. nobody is arguing otherwise. the problem we have with fox is that it is an extremely biased "news" station that calls itself "fair and balanced." it is opposition news, opinion news, yet presents itself has a legitimate news station. if they just admitted they were a conservative news station i would have absolutely no problem with them
hitch4645 2 years ago
and just to clarify, fox was protesting the administration before the administration attacked its credibility.
hitch4645 2 years ago 3
The D party currently controls the executive and legislative branches. Obama Reid & Pelosi are trying desperately to push a wildly unpopular & unconstitutional bill through bribes. Meanwhile Fox is the only station critical of Obama & the D party while other news stations ignore the ACORN scandal and focus on discrediting Palin. Then the White House has Dunn appear on CNN & claim that Fox lies and pushes R propaganda w/out citing any examples. Yeah THAT makes sense. Lets believe Dunn.
gracehi 2 years ago
@gracehi "without citing any eamples"? Are you blind or just ignorant? Switch to Fox News and watch for five minutes; there is your example of rightwing bias :P The only peice I've ever seen on Fox, and Ive suffered too much of it, that wasn't pure rightwing corporate feadalism was a peice on marijuana prohibition, that I'm guessing was opportunistic popularism since generally they deem smokers as "left" and therefore evil baby eaters (meanwhile Fox supports bombing babies in the Middle East).
Tuathalful 1 year ago
wow you sure do talk a lot. the news is supposed to tell the truth. at least thats what it was intended to do. if you think fox is unbiased then you seriously need some help
FASHIONISTADARLING 2 years ago
@FASHIONISTADARLING i guess most Americans need help because most Americans watch fox news
rocky980 2 years ago 2
Excuse me? i think you are the one that needs help because you are a liberal and you support Obama. Obama hasn't done one good thing for this country. Why do you continue to blindly support him when he is screwing us over? More people are waking up and realizing what a fraud and a joke he is. Did Scott Brown's victory win not send a message to you? Get some medication for your liberalism. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
prettyprincess7700 2 years ago
i never said once that i was a liberal. just because i don't feel fox news is legitimate news, doesn't mean i am automatically a liberal. just like you believing fox news is legitimate does not mean your are a conservative. what reveals you are a liberal is to not even consider the fact that if obama hadn't been elected president we could be a lot worse off than we are right now. i agree that obama has yet to do everything he promised, but he is saving our country from economic collapse
FASHIONISTADARLING 2 years ago
im pretty sure elizabeth needs to shut the fuck up. the white house isn't afraid of fox news finding flaws in the government, they are afraid that people will believe the ridiculous rumors that fox news idiots start. i agree with whoopie. fox news isn't letting people make their own opinion. they are just picking one side and then dramatizing everything. fox news needs to go off air
FASHIONISTADARLING 2 years ago
fashion-as opposed to the cheerleaders in the other stations? How about this: obama has surrounded himself with self proclaimed marxists, communists, and socialists. that's FINE if you're into that kind of thing which I'm not.
And because YOU agree with whoopie, does that mean that you aren't able to form your own opinion 'cause that idiot woman says it's fine? remember, she also thinks the rape of a 13 year old girl "isn't really rape" agree with the smart one, yeah?
TheJoozie 2 years ago 2
and fox needs to go off air? What the fuck is wrong with YOU? Is this not America? Do we not get to hear all sides of a story? How about when obama gets the fuck out of office and the next administration comes in and says, "msnbc... you're out" I, as a conservative would be very offended and would raise the roof should anyone threaten ANY form of media/press. You're entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong.
TheJoozie 2 years ago 2
and somehow amid all this bullshit, when Glenn Beck finds a flaw or shows a video of one of the "czars" saying something completely anti american (i.e. opposite of our constitution) they only attack him personally. They NEVER address the issue... all they can say is "racist" or "fear monger" why not take issue with issue? I don't attempt to asasinate katie couric's character because she doesn't ask why jennings is the safe school "czar". and fox is the only one asking about CZARS.
TheJoozie 2 years ago 2
you should be OFFENDED that no one on msnbc, cnbc, nbc (all owned by General Electric... profiting from the global warming scam) has asked what the fuck we're doing with so many people on staff that were not voted in or vetted!
But if you don't care, that's certainly your right. I pay a LOT of taxes and I care who's getting paid off of them.
TheJoozie 2 years ago 2
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I prefer watching the group of intelligent and well informed journalist of Fox News than watching idiocracy on the View!
SJRJantz 2 years ago
oh, what time are they on? I've never seen them...
kinjii 2 years ago
The blonde conservative doesn't fully understand censorship. It's not censorship if someone says/claims something that you don't agree with. Censorship is silencing people.
bionicarcher 2 years ago 2
She is actually pretty hazy on a number of topics. I have personally never watched an entire show of the view, but in the clips I have seen of Maher, O'Reilly etc. she is the typical far right conservative.
st1tcount 2 years ago 2
*cough* liberalviewer
909540 2 years ago
'The View' is such utter dross. Barbara Walter is as ignorant a sow as ever there were. I pity anyone that considers it a legitimate source of unbiased information.
survivalofone 2 years ago
Love your comment!!!!
SJRJantz 2 years ago
@survivalofone this is not a news source, but it is more liberal than conservative. Elizabeth is the only conservative, while Sherrie is somewhat conservative.
gooffbball 2 years ago
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I knew there was a reason I didnt watch this trash, Esliz (the pretty one) is the only one with any sense. They should give her a show.
charleslawlesss 2 years ago
she's auditioning for a slot on faux schnooze
soitgoes02 2 years ago 2
sucks that obama's planning on sitting down with sheppard smith on fox news...doubt obama will even let him ask any really "hard" questions though.
brucebruce325 2 years ago
@brucebruce325 Obama will talk and talk and talk and never really say anything. He is actually a star, not really president material.
SJRJantz 2 years ago
elizabeth just doesnt get it... shes pushing the typical talking point of censorship and not allowing fox news to do what they do when it is nothing like that. the white house is simply ignoring fox and not fucking with their far-right, lying propaganda agenda. why cant fox news just deal with that and stop crying?
GstateBALLER925 2 years ago
apose to msnbc cnn abc far left agenda righttttttttt. Fox news is the closest to teh center then any news out there. If you don't believe that well then you are simply not watching all the news station you can to get your own opinion
thepissedoffpotato 2 years ago
The Bashers of Fox are like the above... No clue.
N2146X 2 years ago
and all the fox lovers and foxbots are probably like you... delusional.
GstateBALLER925 2 years ago
Oh... Fair and Balanced? are you sure? Did Obama really watch the HBO documentary like they reported! Oh!! Fair and Balanced!!!!
infodirts 2 years ago
The Obama campaign's press strategy leading up to his election last November focused on "making" the media cover what the campaign wanted and on exercising absolute "control" over coverage, White House Communications Director Anita Dunn told an overseas crowd early this year.
FastingOnClowns 2 years ago
Just a little bit of advice for the super slow liberals. Don't say you want debate and welcome questions and different views and then run away from anyone that asks a tough question. It really makes you look like liars and very weak. It also shows that you don't respect freedom of religion and different views. Basicaly it shows how biased you are, how intollerant, hateful, discriminatory, evil you all really are. Your true colors are being shown.
MotionFrequency 2 years ago
Motion: Dont forget to add how incredibly ignorant and stupid they are. Take JohnnyBB82 for instance.
He thinks the TARP bill is Bush's fault. While I do blame Bush for signing the stupid thing based on the faith he put in the Goldman Sacs Sec of Treasury and the NYC FED tax cheat Tim Geithner
He totally ignores the fact that he Democrats wrote TARP. and they're the ones whose passed it , revoting after the GOP Conservatives in the House killed it
VinceP1974 2 years ago
@VinceP1974 They passed it after failing to pass it. I know the facts in the case. It was Bush's administration that pushed for it. And, it was President Bush who, while he did have a veto pen, ignored it, and signed the dotted line. Don't pretend Bush isn't culpable.
JohnnyBB82 1 year ago
I've been trying to debate, but you and your side want to completely wash Bush's hands clean of what happened, and wash the Republican party's hands clean of the Bush presidency. My memory extends past Jan. 20th 2009, unlike most conservatives. And, btw, intolerance of intolerance is not in itself intolerance. It just says there is no tolerance for bigoted and exclusionary politics in today's society.
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
Insisting your incorrect historical information is true is not debating, it's propaganda .
Fuck off. Leftists are the most intolerable, prone-to-be-dickheads in the country. Fuck off with your nonsense preaching about tolerance.
Tolerate this fucker.
VinceP1974 2 years ago
I'm historically accurate. It's typical conservatism to dismiss actual conversation, then attack the person they're supposed to be debating, instead of looking for actual counter arguments. You have no proof that liberals are in any rational sense "intolerant," because, like I said, intolerance of intolerance is not the same as your intolerance of differences, whether they be of opinion, or lifestyle, or color of skin, or gender, all of which are bias bastions of right wingers like you.
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
You know for you Christians to be happy and peaceful with Jesus in your life you all have an odd way of showing it. Why should we atheist follow your beliefs when you don't either? All this does is that there is isn't a God or Jesus to accept in one's life because there isn't a change in peoples life when they do. It's all made up.
scullkrusher 2 years ago
These comments about FOX are beneath senior White House staff. To most people, this just looks like a the Obama administration throwing their toys out of the pram because all of a sudden the honeymoon is over. How about getting on with the serious business of running America?
I'm no fan of Fox News, but there has been LEFT-wing bias across the media for DECADES and that was accepted as standard procedure. Anyone who questioned it was considered a reactionary. Huge double standard!
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
Right, and Bush didn't single out and then specifically avoid MSNBC, or pay reporters to write favorable columns about his administration, or any of that. How incredibly short-sighted conservatives have been, history wise, especially recent history.
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
To be clear - I am not and do not seek to defend the Bush administration. I am a small-government Conservative; Bush most certainly was NOT that. During his time in office, America saw it's deficit balloon and he wiped out the surplus left to him by Clinton (not my favourite guy either, but facts are facts).
Just because I'm a Conservative doesn't mean I also support Bush. He was elected largely based on a religious agenda which has nothing do with Conservatism here in Britain.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
However, the point about the press remains. Whether Democrats want to publicly admit it or not - the mainstream media has a tendency to present a positive version of the Left's arguments and to generally look upon Democrat policies and attitudes favourably.
It's the same here in Britain. This is not some crazy conspiracy theory - it's undeniable. Those with any guts who work in the media have said as much, too. This is a real issue - to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
The news is supposed to be open to any ideas and look at them all equality, regardless of personal faiths or beliefs. They're supposed to be liberal to an extent.
I would like to see conservative news that's fair and balanced but that doesn't exist. Fox tosses around racism, homophobia, and religious ideology. I encourage respectable conservatives to start backfiring against Fox news, they're bad for your image. I'm sure you guys have good ideas but we can't hear them over the bible bashing.
scullkrusher 2 years ago 3
Actually you sound more Libertarian than Republican. Leave Fox so you don't get put into the same boat as Republicans because for the most part Republicans support Bush. Libertarians are like Conservatives that hate Bush so they want their own ways (yes I know that's more to them than that).
A Libertarian news network could be very successful for you guys.
scullkrusher 2 years ago
I agree with some areas of the Libertarian view, but no - I don't consider myself one. The main reason is that I believe their are some essential services that should be run by central government - i.e. the police and education - whilst libertarians usually argue these should be privatised.
I'm more of a Neo-Liberal in the style of Thatcher and Reagan. Even Thatcher, a radical reformer, did not and never would privatise health and education. Bush is not a conservative - he's an embarrassment.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
On the issue of Fox, the problem I have is not the opinion it sets forth (after all, every other news broadcaster has an agenda - why not fox?) but it's poor journalism that lacks any sort of intellectual rigour. But this is symptomatic of the wider Conservative movement in America during the Bush years. Where Reagan espoused a form of small-government Conservatism that sought to empower the individual, Bush played to the religious right in a reactionary manner for pure political expediency.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
In Fox' own words, they claim to have 9 hours a day of actual "news" programming, with a total of 5 anchors that are actual "reporters," in their words. But, can you name any of them? I bet you can name any number of their opinion "journalists" though. That's the point we're trying to make, they're not news, but tabloid journalism, tricking a good number of Americans into actually believing they're getting news from this organization, when in fact all they're getting is opinion marketed as news.
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
Actually, studies have shown that the "liberal" media actually do more favorable coverage for the Republican candidate, regardless of who that person happens to be. In regards to Sarah Palin, however, there could've been no favorable spin about her. It's also proven that liberals tend to formally complain about their news-media than conservatives. It's a red herring that conservatives constantly complain about a liberal bias, because all the while, they're getting their way, & Fox is 1 in cable.
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
fox lies period
poh98765432 2 years ago
Fox is effective thats why the WH is pissed.
This program the view is a waste of time.
Obama has a trial date for the birth cert.
This admin is full of anti American zealots.
jblcva 2 years ago
They need to rename this show from "The View" to "The 3 vs 1 View" . LOL! Funny thing is the 1 view is right more often than the other 3 views.
blacksuits 2 years ago
so this is tv show they call "the view"?
a helium-voiced blonde with toilet paper tied around her neck voicing an opinion about OPINIONS? a woman who declares she's confused about why "they would wage this war on fox"? a hollywood square and a caustic nasally comedienne throwing in their two cents, hyped up on caffeine like the other two? i think I'M a little confused now. this is something people actually watch? i'm glad i've never actually seen this on my own televisison. wow.
lewisnyc 2 years ago
omg, the white house is treating fox news like its an opposition outlet because they are actively forming and promoting protests against the white house, which no other "news" outlet does when did the lines between honest news and politics become so blurry?
wobinook16 2 years ago
People who watch Fox news already have there mind made up on what they want to hear, to reinforce what they already believe.Someone skeptical could say the same about the other side,although I don't see MSNBC organizing tea rallies or saying the president is trying to indoctrinate schoolkids. Or not born in the united sates,but anyhow.There ratings are going up with the same kind of people. ABC still has twice as many viewers,I personally like National public Radio, as more fair & balanced.
junechris 2 years ago
When did the lines between honest news and politics blur and cross??? FOX's numbers are up because THEY say there up. Just like back when Al Gore won the presidency and FOX news said that Bush won and people BELIEVED it!! Ridiculous. Time to pull your heads out of your third point of contact people and stop paying attention to ANY of these "News" channels, especially FOX. They're all dribble.
00kelevra00 2 years ago 2
i feel like slappin that blonde chick, she was doin wat was typical of fox news. when did obama or his administration tell anyone not 2 watch fox? they only said they werent gonna deal with em but this glorified airhead keeps sayin obama said dont watch fox news.
ivan134 2 years ago
Fox News is NOT a news organization. If they were, they would not consistently side with Republicans, using their talking points and memos. They were consistently in the pocket of Bush, getting exclusive coverage of his administration many times over. Fox News even employs many former administration officials and Bush family members. Remember when it was "unpatriotic" to question a wartime president? What changed? Oh yeah, the president, from R to D.
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
It figures I get three thumbs down, but no reply from any of you cowards. My comment is true, and no one wants to face up to it. Fox News are hypocritical in the worst way, and unpatriotic and disingenuous at the same time. Again, I ask, what changed when before it was "unpatriotic to question a wartime president"? Don't be scared.
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago 8
relax man, you've got 5 thumbs up!
TheRealEricLester 2 years ago
On the new comment, but click on the "read all comments" link and you'll see me replying to my first comment positing the same question with three thumbs down.
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
Elisabeth, the bubble-headed bleach blonde. You can see her led by her emotions. Typical beauty queen.
Fox and MSNBC are both extremist news outlets. NO television news outlet in today's world serves us well. They are driven by profit, hence, they are driven by ratings. They pursue niche audiences. They use marketing techniques... like the cliffhanger before the commercial. They all are shameful.
Newspapers are dying. Too bad. We certainly cannot trust televised news.
InModeration1 2 years ago
Very well said.
CounselMePretty 2 years ago
republicans just try to make news out of anything and see what sticks.
what network did Bush do his interviews on? and how many times did he appear on msnbc news? this isnt anything new. just like speaking to school children wasn't anything new
raidergunz 2 years ago 2
People who support Fox News (mostly Republicans), who are currently blaming the administration, whining and carrying on are the same people which said "Were not showing Obama's speech in our school." Where's the difference?
Karma
Karma
Karma
bicarbonate18 2 years ago
This is ridiculous, Fox News and MSNBC are both bias one to the left one to the right. However out of the two Fox is worse all they do is outright lie, distort facts, and push off there opinion programming. It's not news. MSNBC you at least get the news it's just composed in a very liberal manner.
Science782 2 years ago 3
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That blonde chick is smart, classy, and sexy as fuck. I believe her.
LifecoachMMA 2 years ago
I don't understand why these women's opinions matter in any way, ever...
pureballer2001 2 years ago
Whoopi is about as smart and profound as her name.
WH2012 2 years ago
LOL Cronkite was liberal and he framed issues in a lib fashion while posing as a reserved respectable anchorman.
scienceofthings 2 years ago
Whoopi is a smart woman!
director23j 2 years ago 3
if you rednecks think fox is not SCEWED AS HELL watch the documentary called "ruperd murdochs WAR on journalism." it's an axiomatic fact that they are NOT NEWS period rednecks.
justintimeisill 2 years ago
If you're the president and part of an administration that calls out a news-station, there will be people who will side with that President because they can't think for themselves. For example: the last election. It is a form of Mccarthyism because you have no facts in defense of your case in regards to that source. By the way, msnbc, cnn etc. all lean left. It's a double standard. So liberals, stop playing stupid.
veriteez 2 years ago
There are people who side with the president because glenn beck,someone who claims to be 100% american, say shit like "When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."
Sleeves04 2 years ago
or, even better, "I'm not saying Obama is a sleeper agent of the KGB trained in Kenya then sent to the United States so that several decades later he could become president and make subtle changes to America making it more communist, but I'm not saying he isn't either."
Yep, said by conservative, 100% americans
Sleeves04 2 years ago
sleeves04- Glenn Beck is a political commentator. Just like Hannity, O'reilly, Olbermann, Maddow etc. Ok, Beck made a stupid comment. One I don't agree with. But, I highly doubt people side with Obama due to that remark. I sure as hell don't side with Obama, yet disagree with the beck-comment. I don't sellout my conservative-views over a stupid comment. Of course, I can also think for myself. I do believe Obama is a fascist/socialist. I'm also not convinced Obama was born in hawaii.
veriteez 2 years ago
A stupid comment? as in...singular? the singular indefinite article? Just one stupid comment?
And I'm so glad you've demonstrated to me that you have no understanding of political ideologies and when they conflict. Fascism and socialism... So obama is far right and far left wing at the same exact time.
And I guess despite all the overwhelming evidence against you, you're still comfortable thinking obama isn't a citizen born in the US.
Thank god
Sleeves04 2 years ago
sleeves04- "made a stupid comment", yes, that's singular. Very good! So even you admit that, Obama being the most liberal democrat, is a socialist. And he is also a fascist. He has managed to incorporate govt. into the same bed, along-side private business. Banks, automakers and he's trying with healthcare. Obama has spent $1.3 million in legal fees to fight any efforts to obtain his birth certificate and college records. Am I comfortable? Of course. There's no evidence against what I say.
veriteez 2 years ago
Obama doesn't need to do that, that's why there are lobbyists.
Fallenson74 2 years ago
How can one be a fascist and a socialist at the same time, when those are on opposite sides of the political spectrum? That statement shows me right there that you're not "thinking for yourself," but spouting Fox "News" talking points. Also, what more proof would you need to understand Obama was born in Hawaii? A time machine to actually see his birth in Hawaii?
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago 2
Fascism and Socialism are just different implementations and scales of Collectivism.
VinceP1974 2 years ago
You can say that, just like I can say corporate fascism and capitalism are one in the same. This doesn't change the fact that fascism is on the right and socialism is on the left.
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
I could say that because I read Mussolini... I could say that because it's the historical truth.
You can say what you want because you're ignorant of those facts and are parroting Soviet-originated misinformation about Fascism (I dont accuse you of doing this willfully, but that is what you're doing)... misinformation that sought to delegitmize Fascism in the eyes of Leftists seeking alternatives to Communism.
VinceP1974 2 years ago
And I could say you're a subscriber to the John Birch Society, a believer in Glenn Beck and W. Cleon Skousen, and a shill of Fox News. But, I'm not going to. Know why? Because it's useless. Fascism is on the right side of ideology, socialism on the left. I subscribe to neither, but it shows a lack of historical knowledge and depth to combine the two as an attack on someone.
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
Yeah.. when you take a position that believes in limited constrained Government, and indidivual liberty you naturally end up with Fascism.
Makes total sense!
gah
VinceP1974 2 years ago
Fascism is the extreme right, just like socialism is the extreme left. Just because someone is a Democrat doesn't automatically make them a "socialist," and the same for Republicans, they aren't automatically fascists.
Way to take something and run to it's extreme conclusion, Glenn.
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
Please name the ideological building blocks of Italy's Fascism.
VinceP1974 2 years ago
Suppression of inheritance and luxury tax, suppression of taxes on foreign capital; life insurance transferred to private enterprises in 1923, state monopoly on telephones and matches was abandoned, etc. Sounds a lot more like corporate Republicanism than it does Obama or modern liberalism to me...
JohnnyBB82 2 years ago
Obama- In America,we have this strong bias toward individual action. You know, we idolize the John Wayne hero who comes in to correct things with both guns blazing. But individual actions, individual dreams, are not sufficient. We must unite in collective action, build collective institutions and organizations.
veriteez 2 years ago