Hey Myth, Ok lets see your expertise shed some light on this video for me. At 1:08 of this video, I show what appears to me like a string of spark, have a look at what I'm talking about and let me know what you think.
@enviroaces , I have no idea, the video is to poor a quality, if you can find the origianl HQ source, send me the link, I will look.
You can only go so far filming a screen with a camcorder. The only way anyone could do a detailed honest analysis of this would be with a high speed camera, the aircraft is travelling at 480mph apx, way too fast for this camera, all kinds of strange things will show up, pixel bluring for one, it might not be a line but a dot error in the pixilation.
@enviroaces , Yes but your refilmed it, then posted it on here and yt is very low quality, how the fuck do you want me to analysise crap footage? perhaps you would like me to pull a rabbit out of my arse as well? man! talk about flogging a dead fucking horse!, if this is your best attempt at making videos, give the fuck up now!, I thort i sucked!, you could have at least put some dam audio on it. What the hell do you want!, I've let you have the last word, but you want leave me alone, what?
ok busted, these are my videos, go and debate somewhere else, I'm getting sick of your attitude. Sorry, but I DONT respect age just on it's own, you can be old and still be a fool. I respect intelligence of any age and don't respect stupidity not matter how old they are.
@enviroaces , Fine with me!, when the hell have I brought age into it, I can tell your pretty young, thats fine, but I've been here a long time, after a while you get grumpy, when you older and have someone try to blame you for all their problems you may understand, I tried to leave this weeks ago, but you keep messaging me and so do your visitors, I've told you I'm retired from 911, I'm selling my house and preparing for my death, maybe thats why my patience is short! Goodbye, all the best.
Just a thought busted, you say you have investigated 9/11 ? Why do you need me to find you a HD version of the "ghost plane" it must be one of the top two shots for that day. Funny you don't know that...hmmmm.
@enviroaces , I suggest you delete all my comments and leave me alone, I don't feel like speaking to anymore crazy people.
I have grown VERY tired of you TRYING to bait me, I suspect you know this is all bullshit, but have some hidden agenda, either political or, financial, gain popularity or just for some very distorted version of what you think is funny.
Do not send me any further messages, delete my comments so no one else does either.
You can delete your own comments, you don't need my approval. I don't know how you backed yourself into such a corner? Now you want to delete all your comments...lol. If you are an agent, then good thing you are near retirement because your not very good at it.
Oh go fuck yourself! An idiot like you has zero chance of getting me in a corner.
YOU AND YOUR SICK LITTLE GAME ARE NOT FUNNY, DO YOU GET THAT?
The way my health is, I may only have a year left, it DEEPLY saddens me to think that I leave behind sick people like you. The last thing I want is to waste what time I have left with an idiot, that no matter what I say, twists it to thier own perverted way, you are the embodiement of an unreasonable and or twisted person.
Does it make you feel good?, to know that you help depress someone who has worked hard all his life to make the World better than when he arrived, only to feel the opposite is true as his end nears?
Congratulations I am even more disillutioned at the hope of our species.
I am very sad to leave the things i love, but I am so exausted, I'm surprised I'm still here, I have seen far too much of the cold bloodedness of humans.
I had hoped to be leaving this life with more hope in heart
I hoped that my life had counted for something
maybe all my hope has been misplaced and we are just a group of animals living on a rock floating in space, we come, we go, none of it means anything, no magic, nothing
@1BustedMyth , Bottom line is you are wasting your time and mine in this line of equiry, I've been looking at 911 footage since I joined yt early this year, there is no way in hell its a GH, just let it go, move on. GH's are much smaller, lighter, queiter, smaller, different engines, different shape, ect ect ect, there is way too much footage of a jet airliner from different sources, private and media. GH does not have enough mass to do this amount of damage anyway.
Sorry Busted, I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about. If you can't see it, than don't worry about it and if you don't want to debate with me, then go chat about other videos. Maybe you'll even find someone who agrees with your view. You are the one wasting time, get lost.
Fuck you, if you are to stupid to be able to tell when you are speaking to a Pilot, flight engineer, electronics tech. all it shows is YOU don't understand what I'm talking about because you have no background in it. All of the Aviation people ect that I know on here for some strange reason do not share your OPPINION that I do not know what I am talking about, because we speak the same language, go check my friends list idiot!
You keep saying goodbey... and you keep coming back. I happen to like you busted, and if it's true about your stage in life, prepairing for your death, then all the best. I don't care if you agree and I understand you don't see what I do, but your experience could be what prevents you from opening your mind. You may know planes but I know video and this video has been heavily doctored. The original shot is from a helicopter looking down on the plane you see, not up, how it appears.
Mate I am only answering you replys, I have far more important things to attend to than 911 now. yt is just supposed to be a bit of stress releif for me from a stressfull life, but it hasn't worked out that way. My mind is very open, just not so much as to let my brains fall out, when i was in my 20's I did believe everything I read and saw, I'm a bit older now and pretty embaressed at how gullible I once was. My health is not so great and this just gets me worked up. Anyways all the best.
note that fanjet engine blades are not ridigly mounted to the hub, so they will dislodge from their hub mounts, especially if the engine was under power at the time of impact.
You are corret, I am trying to show that it is a real plane, in fact at a 1:09 I show that the plane goes through debris causing a string of sparks. This could not and would not happen with a CGI. Although I agree it's a real plane, I don't claim that it's an airliner, IMHO, that's a global hawk.
Look fair enough you say its your opinion, but I have to say I can't agree, I've seen a Global Hawk up close and this definetly isn't one, there is tonnes of footage from different people and vantage points and Global Hawks don't use the same engine as a 757.
IF it were an inside job the easiest thing to do would be to get a terrorist to do exactly what we saw happen, no way in hell were bush and his mates bright enough to fake this.
I happen to think that Bush is an oustanding actor who madee us think he was stupid. I also dont believe 19 guys from a cave could have done this. It mas a precision military strike, not a "terrorist attack". I think the goverment, Bush, Obama, Clinton, it doesn't matter who, they are all on the same side and it's not ours. They put on a play for our entertainment, there are no real debates or arguments, just scrips for them to follow... it's all staged, just like WWF.
Its certainly an interesting opinion, but a little too similar to the point of view that alex jones and the like would take. in life the simlist answer is always the most likely, not the most complicated and difficult to pull off without being caught. too many people these days get their education on yt or the internet in general, where the level of poor quality information is high and un checked. I find that the truth movement are generally not interested in the truth at all, only theirs
Hey brother, I don't defend alex but I do listen to him, don't agree with everytyhing he says but I think he gives the best news on a daily basis. The truth movment is just as screwed up as the people who believe the official story, and I think they are both in persuit of truth and justice. Unfortunately, the operators are at least one step ahead, always.
I like to look for things in comon, instead of finding the things that dived and conquer us. Alex is religous, I happen to think that divides
Enviro, Hey, I have spent a great deal of time listening to him as well, to be sure I got my opinion correct, he makes money out of exploiting people fears, does he support the whole Fema death train, casket thing?
I completly agree!, its disturbing how stupid the truth movements arguments are, I am no supporter of bush, I hate the bastard, but I hate bullshit as much. I'm fine with people wanting to explore an issue, but when you give them an answer, they simply call you an agent.
I completly agree with your view on division and religion. I have held out the hand of friendship to many truthers to work together, only to have it bitten off. I have spent half my life in aviation, so tend to take some of this personally, as it could have been me or my friends on board.
PS: I'm very anti war myself, I suspect that the whole truth movemnt is really just anti war, Bush propoganda, moon hoax theories came from anti vietnam propoganda.
Ok... it was a good debate and I don't want you to think I'm joking or waisting time. Have you ever known one? A suicied-bommer? Don't get me wrong, I know the act occurs but is the person manipulated and tricked into being one without knowing it. A bom could be planted on them and then blow up by remote control. This would make it appear that they do exist when they really don't.
Look I'm pretty tired of truthers because no matter what i say they won't listen. the Loose Change dvd is a fraud, they have edited all the material to support their biast and then they sell it for $49. so the first question is do they actually believe their own propoganda?
I am convinced the whole thing is polital anti bush, anti war propoganda and I'm not alone on that opinion.
I am anti war and bush myself, but it makes me sick when people lie about something like this.
I have spent years understanding whats going on in the mind of a suicide bomber/terrorist. You are completly correct in saying they are manipulated, they are usualy young men who have been brain washed that they are doing the work of god and that they will be rewarded in heaven with many virgins, interestingly the people doing the training never go themselves. If you look at the Palestinian, Iraeli problem, its used on a regular basis as a tool of war due to poor military abilities.
Hey 1Busted, let me tell you how I see a global hawk and you tell me what you think. I see this video different than most people.Consider that this video may be taken from the sky above the incoming craft as oppossed to below, how the video appears or is disguised to look. Look at the plane as it's coming into the building below your point of view and what you are looking at is the top, not the botton of it. Instead of engines, I think that they are landing gear. Lastly, the upright stabilizer
part 2. is actually the exhuast from the engine, mounted at top middle rear. Why does the plane look so blurry? Look up PSP (pressure sensitve paint), this is special paint that will show up in neon colors when used with a black and white or special type of lens. This would allow the perpetrators to use chroma key editing to modify the video in almost real time. I think the choppers in the air that day, were part of the attack and recording of it.
I can see you are really thinking it threw and have put a lot of effort in. The main problem is the hawk is a very different aircraft, much smaller and made of different material, it looks completly different to the naked eye, so many people would have noticed. yes it is possible to edit video as you say, but you have to ask is it likely? the main problem would be keeping so many people quiet, someone would talk, especially after 8 years.
At 500+MPH at 1000 feet of so, it's not so easy, especially with the diveboomer aproach of the second strike. Also, if you listen for it, there are witnesses that say "it was a plane without windows", "it was a plane like I've never seen before, not at any regular airport. The lady yelling "that was not flight 11". The guy at the pentagon "looked like a flying whale, with a hump". Keeping the secrete, the grid must be rigged so when you squeel, you get taken to a predetermined place, say gitmo.
In life the simplist answer is usually the best. IF you did want to stage an attack like this, it would be easy to modify a real 757 to fly remotely or even better simply suck in a few crazy religious fundamentalists and tell them they are working for god, that way you completly cover your tracks. I have seen and checked so much footage in detail and discussed it with pilots and engineers to be completly satisfied its just a jet airliner at 500mph apx with around 121,000 pounds of thrust.
First of all, I dont believe in suicide missions, I don't think people kill themselves and others in the name of god or any one else. May have been easier, it is what it is. The service "lost" 4 global hawks in the lead up to 9/11, they only had 7 at the time.
as far as the poor quality of the video, don't forget it was 2001, long time ago in technology terms and the camera's involved are not designed for high speed photography, their frames per second are far too slow, add to this some are being beemed back live leeding to massive quality drop and then people want to freeze and slow play the frames, these images were never intended for that level of scuteny, you need a high speed cam for that.
Poor quality, I think this is a poor argument. At the time I had a sony camcorder that could take film in 0 lux, zoom over 100 time and was increadible quality. Not the top of the line for personal, never mind what hollywood or military has. I think if the plane were airliners, the parts would of appeared in the clean up, if they were military, then they certainly would not have parts be found, and that is in fact what happend, no parts. An engine in NY street, that looks like a GH engine.
It would be almost impossible to clean up all parts from a high speed impact like that and then plant substituted parts all while the public is watching.
I really don't know what to say, you think suicide missions don't exist? people kill themselves and others in the name of god every day. I get the impression you are baiting me and waisting my time for a laugh and its not funny, I'm not in the mood, lets leave it at that. Cheers
One more thing, the impossible clean up? Remember the people walking across the pentagon lawn picking up pieces that fit in their hands? At the WTC, the parts were in with the crumbeled buildings and only 20 people were allow to be at the site at a time, as per juliani. Sounds possible and controled. Lastly, shanksville, how can a plane crash into a field with no debris? Did it dart into an abomdoned mine?
Your the last person I will debate on this topic for know, I need to take some time out due to a death in the family.
You can't throw all events in at once there is far too much data to deal with, I focus on one item at a time, I have just finished a massive investigation of the pentagon event. that was by far the most difficult and I even learn't a lot.
If you go back threw a couple of weeks of comments here its pretty much covered /watch?v=iS2rlAoKiy4&feature=email
Sorry to hear that, my condolences. Ican't say I agree with you. I have investigated myself and I just can't see how you think parts were at the sites. I've looked at alot of plane crashes, they look like a plane crashed there. 9/11 plane crashes look like nothing crashed and something exploded. Now I do think something did crash... they obviously didn't let us see the real debris.
PT.2 All the pieces fit right in, no wings, motors, fusalodge... nothing? Now that's impossible, so they kept the cameras back while they cleaned up, maybe made a fake location for the media while they clean up.
pt2 responce. there is plently of ripped up metal from all these sections at all the sites, aircraft wings are hollow and light, they will shred at these speeds, you will never find an intact wing or tail. speed around 450mph+ total thrust available 121,000 lbs into solid concrete/ limestone/earth, there will be nothing left that looks like a plane except engine cores, wheel hubs and other small reasonably solid items, wich is what those people were collecting, normal crash site procedure.
What link doesn't work?, I just checked them both. I am really tired of this stuff, I'm from a family who has always been around aviation and I tend to take this very personaly, we have had friends die in firery crashes, I don't understand what it is that you are actually questioning, I have attended crashes myself but never one with this much force, that the problem, there's nothing to compare it to. Due to the death of my Mother and other factors I have had enough, I can't look at this stuff.
Myth, the force is only relavent at the point of impact, from there the force decreases as the parts take the inpact and lessen the force of the rest. For this reason in particular the rear of the plane is usually mostly still intact . Popular Mechanics sys the plane liquifide as it hit the building due to the force. Liquifide? That star treck bull, they might as well say it disappeared, that would be equally possible to LIQUIFY. You're tired because you're wrong, you should reinvestigate.
I'm tired of dealing with dipshits like you who have never worked on aircraft, built aircraft, attended a crash site ect ect ect. YET you seem TO THINK you know what the FUCK you are talking about!!!!
I'm tired you asshole of dealing with fucks like you whole DO NOT HAVE A HEART, because you are too young or stupid to know what REAL pain is!, I just spent 2 weeks cleaning out my Mothers house and dealing with family and funeral arrangements, SO FUCK OFF !!!! DIPSHIT
You keep saying your tired but you also want the last word... well when you're wrong you don't get the last word, period. Why don't you grow up, put on the big boy pants and realise that you need to think about what your saying and why you believe the things you do. Being wrong and being adiment about being wrong is not even close to right so yell and swear all you want, go cry on your big pillow.
Thats not true!, I have simply had enough of this, If I grow up much more, i will be dead, period. IF you had survived what I have to still be here, I don't think you would be so smartassed about another person loosing their patience.
Busted i know we aint got into this 1 yet... But when a plane hits something there is tail section wing section and pratt and whitney turbine engines... I am sure they didnt find anything besides the wheel and engine in WTC case and in the pentagon they ony show 1 pic of 1 engine that most experts say is not a pratt and whitney engine. Also confronted was rolls royce the maker of it and they say they have never seen such an engine... But any crash you will be able to make those sections.
@ctrackmonger , Firstly, I'm retired from this topic, i only do religion at the moment. this one is too close to the bone for me now, I have a lot of friends and family in aviation and when things go wrong its nasty. I did a lot of digging on the pentagon stuff and managed to find the human remain shots as well as the standard crash investiagtion stuff, I really didn't like what I found, I don't get the word Corpse, there Mothers, daughters, Fathers, Sons, could be yours or mine.
Mate I don't want to be unfreaindly but I really don't feal like starting all over. I have explained each one of the points for about 9 months straight. If you go to my playlists, "911 Hoax" all of the videos I've commented on are there, one or two are still in my favorites, but will be moved over soon. Most of what you have stated is stuff that comes from Loose change and the Truth movemnet, so fare not one of there claims have stood up to proper investigation.
Even the claims about the engines are false, the guy who said them never worked on those engines. planes are made to be very light, so all the metal is thin. wings and tails are mostly empty space. wings are filled with fuel. If you smash a well fuelled planes into concrete at full power (121,000 lbs thrust) there will be nothing recognizable left other than solid components like whells and engine cores. Rolls royce never said that, its a flat lie.
no audio , i know if people can fake this shit with cheap software at home black ops with big budgets and inside media connections can fool the world.
The Loose change claims about silverman and his insurance policy and Asbestos.
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1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Hey Myth, Ok lets see your expertise shed some light on this video for me. At 1:08 of this video, I show what appears to me like a string of spark, have a look at what I'm talking about and let me know what you think.
enviroaces 2 years ago
@enviroaces , I have no idea, the video is to poor a quality, if you can find the origianl HQ source, send me the link, I will look.
You can only go so far filming a screen with a camcorder. The only way anyone could do a detailed honest analysis of this would be with a high speed camera, the aircraft is travelling at 480mph apx, way too fast for this camera, all kinds of strange things will show up, pixel bluring for one, it might not be a line but a dot error in the pixilation.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Myth, this is straight off the CNN DVD America Remembers, go ahead now and do an analysis.
enviroaces 2 years ago
@enviroaces , Yes but your refilmed it, then posted it on here and yt is very low quality, how the fuck do you want me to analysise crap footage? perhaps you would like me to pull a rabbit out of my arse as well? man! talk about flogging a dead fucking horse!, if this is your best attempt at making videos, give the fuck up now!, I thort i sucked!, you could have at least put some dam audio on it. What the hell do you want!, I've let you have the last word, but you want leave me alone, what?
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
ok busted, these are my videos, go and debate somewhere else, I'm getting sick of your attitude. Sorry, but I DONT respect age just on it's own, you can be old and still be a fool. I respect intelligence of any age and don't respect stupidity not matter how old they are.
enviroaces 2 years ago
@enviroaces Test
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
@enviroaces , Fine with me!, when the hell have I brought age into it, I can tell your pretty young, thats fine, but I've been here a long time, after a while you get grumpy, when you older and have someone try to blame you for all their problems you may understand, I tried to leave this weeks ago, but you keep messaging me and so do your visitors, I've told you I'm retired from 911, I'm selling my house and preparing for my death, maybe thats why my patience is short! Goodbye, all the best.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Just a thought busted, you say you have investigated 9/11 ? Why do you need me to find you a HD version of the "ghost plane" it must be one of the top two shots for that day. Funny you don't know that...hmmmm.
enviroaces 2 years ago
@enviroaces , I suggest you delete all my comments and leave me alone, I don't feel like speaking to anymore crazy people.
I have grown VERY tired of you TRYING to bait me, I suspect you know this is all bullshit, but have some hidden agenda, either political or, financial, gain popularity or just for some very distorted version of what you think is funny.
Do not send me any further messages, delete my comments so no one else does either.
Any further responses will be deleted.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
You can delete your own comments, you don't need my approval. I don't know how you backed yourself into such a corner? Now you want to delete all your comments...lol. If you are an agent, then good thing you are near retirement because your not very good at it.
enviroaces 2 years ago
just don't reply busted, or I'll have to block u from my videos
enviroaces 2 years ago
@enviroaces ,
Oh go fuck yourself! An idiot like you has zero chance of getting me in a corner.
YOU AND YOUR SICK LITTLE GAME ARE NOT FUNNY, DO YOU GET THAT?
The way my health is, I may only have a year left, it DEEPLY saddens me to think that I leave behind sick people like you. The last thing I want is to waste what time I have left with an idiot, that no matter what I say, twists it to thier own perverted way, you are the embodiement of an unreasonable and or twisted person.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
@enviroaces ,
Closing comment
Does it make you feel good?, to know that you help depress someone who has worked hard all his life to make the World better than when he arrived, only to feel the opposite is true as his end nears?
Congratulations I am even more disillutioned at the hope of our species.
I am very sad to leave the things i love, but I am so exausted, I'm surprised I'm still here, I have seen far too much of the cold bloodedness of humans.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
@enviroaces
I had hoped to be leaving this life with more hope in heart
I hoped that my life had counted for something
maybe all my hope has been misplaced and we are just a group of animals living on a rock floating in space, we come, we go, none of it means anything, no magic, nothing
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
@1BustedMyth , Bottom line is you are wasting your time and mine in this line of equiry, I've been looking at 911 footage since I joined yt early this year, there is no way in hell its a GH, just let it go, move on. GH's are much smaller, lighter, queiter, smaller, different engines, different shape, ect ect ect, there is way too much footage of a jet airliner from different sources, private and media. GH does not have enough mass to do this amount of damage anyway.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Sorry Busted, I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about. If you can't see it, than don't worry about it and if you don't want to debate with me, then go chat about other videos. Maybe you'll even find someone who agrees with your view. You are the one wasting time, get lost.
enviroaces 2 years ago
@enviroaces
Fuck you, if you are to stupid to be able to tell when you are speaking to a Pilot, flight engineer, electronics tech. all it shows is YOU don't understand what I'm talking about because you have no background in it. All of the Aviation people ect that I know on here for some strange reason do not share your OPPINION that I do not know what I am talking about, because we speak the same language, go check my friends list idiot!
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
You keep saying goodbey... and you keep coming back. I happen to like you busted, and if it's true about your stage in life, prepairing for your death, then all the best. I don't care if you agree and I understand you don't see what I do, but your experience could be what prevents you from opening your mind. You may know planes but I know video and this video has been heavily doctored. The original shot is from a helicopter looking down on the plane you see, not up, how it appears.
enviroaces 2 years ago
Mate I am only answering you replys, I have far more important things to attend to than 911 now. yt is just supposed to be a bit of stress releif for me from a stressfull life, but it hasn't worked out that way. My mind is very open, just not so much as to let my brains fall out, when i was in my 20's I did believe everything I read and saw, I'm a bit older now and pretty embaressed at how gullible I once was. My health is not so great and this just gets me worked up. Anyways all the best.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Actual full quote on video from Pentagon eyewitness
watch?v=t1wQ2BJsgx0&feature=channel
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
A look at the credibility of Alex Jones one very outspoken member of the truth movement.
watch?v=4ikRc4ER2xY&feature=related
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
A look into the people behind "Loose Change" the video that most of the Truth claims come from. These guys make money out of this.
watch?v=Zs5jWvu4tR8&feature=channel
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Flight 93 crash site, recovery of debris, including engines
watch?v=xkivdEGph9A&feature=PlayList&p=424A6778622D7E18&index=27
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Here is another site and you can tell for yourself with comparison photos of the plane that smashed into tower #2
ctrackmonger 2 years ago
@ctrackmonger , Did you mean to post a link for me to look at?
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Yes i did but it didnt work i will send them to you via mail...
ctrackmonger 2 years ago
One video that has a pretty good outline of what was found at the Pentagon
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
@1BustedMyth ,
/watch?v=YTNRkb7AaQk
note that fanjet engine blades are not ridigly mounted to the hub, so they will dislodge from their hub mounts, especially if the engine was under power at the time of impact.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Sorry, I guess I have mis understood the point of the video, sound would certainly explain it much better.
I thort you were pointing out the tail, to prove its a plane.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
You are corret, I am trying to show that it is a real plane, in fact at a 1:09 I show that the plane goes through debris causing a string of sparks. This could not and would not happen with a CGI. Although I agree it's a real plane, I don't claim that it's an airliner, IMHO, that's a global hawk.
enviroaces 2 years ago
Look fair enough you say its your opinion, but I have to say I can't agree, I've seen a Global Hawk up close and this definetly isn't one, there is tonnes of footage from different people and vantage points and Global Hawks don't use the same engine as a 757.
IF it were an inside job the easiest thing to do would be to get a terrorist to do exactly what we saw happen, no way in hell were bush and his mates bright enough to fake this.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
I happen to think that Bush is an oustanding actor who madee us think he was stupid. I also dont believe 19 guys from a cave could have done this. It mas a precision military strike, not a "terrorist attack". I think the goverment, Bush, Obama, Clinton, it doesn't matter who, they are all on the same side and it's not ours. They put on a play for our entertainment, there are no real debates or arguments, just scrips for them to follow... it's all staged, just like WWF.
enviroaces 2 years ago
Its certainly an interesting opinion, but a little too similar to the point of view that alex jones and the like would take. in life the simlist answer is always the most likely, not the most complicated and difficult to pull off without being caught. too many people these days get their education on yt or the internet in general, where the level of poor quality information is high and un checked. I find that the truth movement are generally not interested in the truth at all, only theirs
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Hey brother, I don't defend alex but I do listen to him, don't agree with everytyhing he says but I think he gives the best news on a daily basis. The truth movment is just as screwed up as the people who believe the official story, and I think they are both in persuit of truth and justice. Unfortunately, the operators are at least one step ahead, always.
I like to look for things in comon, instead of finding the things that dived and conquer us. Alex is religous, I happen to think that divides
enviroaces 2 years ago
Enviro, Hey, I have spent a great deal of time listening to him as well, to be sure I got my opinion correct, he makes money out of exploiting people fears, does he support the whole Fema death train, casket thing?
I completly agree!, its disturbing how stupid the truth movements arguments are, I am no supporter of bush, I hate the bastard, but I hate bullshit as much. I'm fine with people wanting to explore an issue, but when you give them an answer, they simply call you an agent.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Pt:2
I completly agree with your view on division and religion. I have held out the hand of friendship to many truthers to work together, only to have it bitten off. I have spent half my life in aviation, so tend to take some of this personally, as it could have been me or my friends on board.
PS: I'm very anti war myself, I suspect that the whole truth movemnt is really just anti war, Bush propoganda, moon hoax theories came from anti vietnam propoganda.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Ok... it was a good debate and I don't want you to think I'm joking or waisting time. Have you ever known one? A suicied-bommer? Don't get me wrong, I know the act occurs but is the person manipulated and tricked into being one without knowing it. A bom could be planted on them and then blow up by remote control. This would make it appear that they do exist when they really don't.
enviroaces 2 years ago
Look I'm pretty tired of truthers because no matter what i say they won't listen. the Loose Change dvd is a fraud, they have edited all the material to support their biast and then they sell it for $49. so the first question is do they actually believe their own propoganda?
I am convinced the whole thing is polital anti bush, anti war propoganda and I'm not alone on that opinion.
I am anti war and bush myself, but it makes me sick when people lie about something like this.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
I have spent years understanding whats going on in the mind of a suicide bomber/terrorist. You are completly correct in saying they are manipulated, they are usualy young men who have been brain washed that they are doing the work of god and that they will be rewarded in heaven with many virgins, interestingly the people doing the training never go themselves. If you look at the Palestinian, Iraeli problem, its used on a regular basis as a tool of war due to poor military abilities.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Hey 1Busted, let me tell you how I see a global hawk and you tell me what you think. I see this video different than most people.Consider that this video may be taken from the sky above the incoming craft as oppossed to below, how the video appears or is disguised to look. Look at the plane as it's coming into the building below your point of view and what you are looking at is the top, not the botton of it. Instead of engines, I think that they are landing gear. Lastly, the upright stabilizer
enviroaces 2 years ago
part 2. is actually the exhuast from the engine, mounted at top middle rear. Why does the plane look so blurry? Look up PSP (pressure sensitve paint), this is special paint that will show up in neon colors when used with a black and white or special type of lens. This would allow the perpetrators to use chroma key editing to modify the video in almost real time. I think the choppers in the air that day, were part of the attack and recording of it.
enviroaces 2 years ago
I can see you are really thinking it threw and have put a lot of effort in. The main problem is the hawk is a very different aircraft, much smaller and made of different material, it looks completly different to the naked eye, so many people would have noticed. yes it is possible to edit video as you say, but you have to ask is it likely? the main problem would be keeping so many people quiet, someone would talk, especially after 8 years.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
At 500+MPH at 1000 feet of so, it's not so easy, especially with the diveboomer aproach of the second strike. Also, if you listen for it, there are witnesses that say "it was a plane without windows", "it was a plane like I've never seen before, not at any regular airport. The lady yelling "that was not flight 11". The guy at the pentagon "looked like a flying whale, with a hump". Keeping the secrete, the grid must be rigged so when you squeel, you get taken to a predetermined place, say gitmo.
enviroaces 2 years ago
Pt2
In life the simplist answer is usually the best. IF you did want to stage an attack like this, it would be easy to modify a real 757 to fly remotely or even better simply suck in a few crazy religious fundamentalists and tell them they are working for god, that way you completly cover your tracks. I have seen and checked so much footage in detail and discussed it with pilots and engineers to be completly satisfied its just a jet airliner at 500mph apx with around 121,000 pounds of thrust.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
First of all, I dont believe in suicide missions, I don't think people kill themselves and others in the name of god or any one else. May have been easier, it is what it is. The service "lost" 4 global hawks in the lead up to 9/11, they only had 7 at the time.
enviroaces 2 years ago
pt3
as far as the poor quality of the video, don't forget it was 2001, long time ago in technology terms and the camera's involved are not designed for high speed photography, their frames per second are far too slow, add to this some are being beemed back live leeding to massive quality drop and then people want to freeze and slow play the frames, these images were never intended for that level of scuteny, you need a high speed cam for that.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Poor quality, I think this is a poor argument. At the time I had a sony camcorder that could take film in 0 lux, zoom over 100 time and was increadible quality. Not the top of the line for personal, never mind what hollywood or military has. I think if the plane were airliners, the parts would of appeared in the clean up, if they were military, then they certainly would not have parts be found, and that is in fact what happend, no parts. An engine in NY street, that looks like a GH engine.
enviroaces 2 years ago
It would be almost impossible to clean up all parts from a high speed impact like that and then plant substituted parts all while the public is watching.
I really don't know what to say, you think suicide missions don't exist? people kill themselves and others in the name of god every day. I get the impression you are baiting me and waisting my time for a laugh and its not funny, I'm not in the mood, lets leave it at that. Cheers
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
One more thing, the impossible clean up? Remember the people walking across the pentagon lawn picking up pieces that fit in their hands? At the WTC, the parts were in with the crumbeled buildings and only 20 people were allow to be at the site at a time, as per juliani. Sounds possible and controled. Lastly, shanksville, how can a plane crash into a field with no debris? Did it dart into an abomdoned mine?
enviroaces 2 years ago
Your the last person I will debate on this topic for know, I need to take some time out due to a death in the family.
You can't throw all events in at once there is far too much data to deal with, I focus on one item at a time, I have just finished a massive investigation of the pentagon event. that was by far the most difficult and I even learn't a lot.
If you go back threw a couple of weeks of comments here its pretty much covered /watch?v=iS2rlAoKiy4&feature=email
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Sorry to hear that, my condolences. Ican't say I agree with you. I have investigated myself and I just can't see how you think parts were at the sites. I've looked at alot of plane crashes, they look like a plane crashed there. 9/11 plane crashes look like nothing crashed and something exploded. Now I do think something did crash... they obviously didn't let us see the real debris.
enviroaces 2 years ago
PT.2 All the pieces fit right in, no wings, motors, fusalodge... nothing? Now that's impossible, so they kept the cameras back while they cleaned up, maybe made a fake location for the media while they clean up.
enviroaces 2 years ago
pt2 responce. there is plently of ripped up metal from all these sections at all the sites, aircraft wings are hollow and light, they will shred at these speeds, you will never find an intact wing or tail. speed around 450mph+ total thrust available 121,000 lbs into solid concrete/ limestone/earth, there will be nothing left that looks like a plane except engine cores, wheel hubs and other small reasonably solid items, wich is what those people were collecting, normal crash site procedure.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
here are some of many unedited by truther movement videos.
/watch?v=YTNRkb7AaQk&feature=PlayList&p=424A6778622D7E18
/watch?v=K89coc88Hrs&feature=PlayList&p=424A6778622D7E18
There are no global hawk, missles that are built and painted like a American B757.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Second link doesn't work.
I put a comment on the first one, you better look again. If these are unedited by truthers, then they are edited by the perpetrators.
enviroaces 2 years ago
What link doesn't work?, I just checked them both. I am really tired of this stuff, I'm from a family who has always been around aviation and I tend to take this very personaly, we have had friends die in firery crashes, I don't understand what it is that you are actually questioning, I have attended crashes myself but never one with this much force, that the problem, there's nothing to compare it to. Due to the death of my Mother and other factors I have had enough, I can't look at this stuff.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Myth, the force is only relavent at the point of impact, from there the force decreases as the parts take the inpact and lessen the force of the rest. For this reason in particular the rear of the plane is usually mostly still intact . Popular Mechanics sys the plane liquifide as it hit the building due to the force. Liquifide? That star treck bull, they might as well say it disappeared, that would be equally possible to LIQUIFY. You're tired because you're wrong, you should reinvestigate.
enviroaces 2 years ago
GO FUCKYOURSELF ! :)
I'm tired of dealing with dipshits like you who have never worked on aircraft, built aircraft, attended a crash site ect ect ect. YET you seem TO THINK you know what the FUCK you are talking about!!!!
I'm tired you asshole of dealing with fucks like you whole DO NOT HAVE A HEART, because you are too young or stupid to know what REAL pain is!, I just spent 2 weeks cleaning out my Mothers house and dealing with family and funeral arrangements, SO FUCK OFF !!!! DIPSHIT
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
You keep saying your tired but you also want the last word... well when you're wrong you don't get the last word, period. Why don't you grow up, put on the big boy pants and realise that you need to think about what your saying and why you believe the things you do. Being wrong and being adiment about being wrong is not even close to right so yell and swear all you want, go cry on your big pillow.
enviroaces 2 years ago
Thats not true!, I have simply had enough of this, If I grow up much more, i will be dead, period. IF you had survived what I have to still be here, I don't think you would be so smartassed about another person loosing their patience.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Busted i know we aint got into this 1 yet... But when a plane hits something there is tail section wing section and pratt and whitney turbine engines... I am sure they didnt find anything besides the wheel and engine in WTC case and in the pentagon they ony show 1 pic of 1 engine that most experts say is not a pratt and whitney engine. Also confronted was rolls royce the maker of it and they say they have never seen such an engine... But any crash you will be able to make those sections.
ctrackmonger 2 years ago
@ctrackmonger , Firstly, I'm retired from this topic, i only do religion at the moment. this one is too close to the bone for me now, I have a lot of friends and family in aviation and when things go wrong its nasty. I did a lot of digging on the pentagon stuff and managed to find the human remain shots as well as the standard crash investiagtion stuff, I really didn't like what I found, I don't get the word Corpse, there Mothers, daughters, Fathers, Sons, could be yours or mine.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
Ctrack,
Mate I don't want to be unfreaindly but I really don't feal like starting all over. I have explained each one of the points for about 9 months straight. If you go to my playlists, "911 Hoax" all of the videos I've commented on are there, one or two are still in my favorites, but will be moved over soon. Most of what you have stated is stuff that comes from Loose change and the Truth movemnet, so fare not one of there claims have stood up to proper investigation.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
ctrack,
Even the claims about the engines are false, the guy who said them never worked on those engines. planes are made to be very light, so all the metal is thin. wings and tails are mostly empty space. wings are filled with fuel. If you smash a well fuelled planes into concrete at full power (121,000 lbs thrust) there will be nothing recognizable left other than solid components like whells and engine cores. Rolls royce never said that, its a flat lie.
1BustedMyth 2 years ago
obviously it's a missile.
undersoless 2 years ago
I would say that it is not an airliner, but something did crash into the building.
enviroaces 2 years ago
Dust on camer lens can really fake you out.
jmdewey60 3 years ago
no audio , i know if people can fake this shit with cheap software at home black ops with big budgets and inside media connections can fool the world.
IRSFRAUDEXPOSED 3 years ago
I'm showing that the plane went through debris, and the line of sparks shows the exhaust is at the back, not the wings.
enviroaces 4 years ago