It is in deed all too likely that these beings had kidnapped him, and carried him off to some place far away. To where, no one will know any time soon.
UFO and remote mind reading/manipulation technology was developed by the nazis by the end of WW2 without any alien help. : there is an extreme criminal orgonizaiton working withing high ranks of the US military waging psychological against the general population pretending to be extradimensional aliens and/or angelic and demonic forces often using holograms.
@planetcheck There is a disclosed transcript from the Austrilian department of transportation of the conversation. You can't expect every conversation to be recorded.
@planetcheck this did happen, there is audio trandscript i heard it....weather it was a ufo or plane crash we wont know, but what was said really happend
@planetcheck Dipstick- It's a true story with real voice recordings and transcripts. I remember when it happened. Valentich wasn't the only one that saw UFO's and green lights at the time. A lot of Northern Tasmanians did.
@planetcheck You think the government of Australia and the hundreds of people involved in this case will stage all just to fool the rest of the world as a hoax? You are very stupid or just a terrible troll.
Hello all, I am alive and well. I pulled this hoax for personal reasons that I will not divulge. I didn't think it would generate the responce it had, and after the extensive search was deployed, I was pretty much comitted to take it to the grave. Forgive me, F. V.
I've recently found an episode of the "In Search Of" series presented by Leonard Nimoy called "UFO Australia" that shows interviews with Valentich' father and even the operator that spoke with Valentich just before he disappeared.
I know what happened, if you listen to what Brian Jones says at (3.29 seconds) of video. Is it possible that Frederick quite young at age 20 maybe lost his direction in the dark and was actually seeing his plane lights relflected in the water? and became disorientated and confused and crashed into the water?. Where was he going and what were his planes???
@williamernestsmith He was going to King's island and he planned to do a routine landing. He was a great pilot and there were several witnesses who saw similar things on him as him. Also, there were no remains in the water even after extensive searches.
@williamernestsmith this theory was one of the first proposed however was proven to be impossible. The particular model of plane he was flying would have made it impossible for him to have gotten disoriented in such a way that would've caused him to see his own plane's light reflections in the water to where he would think it was flying above him and to have stayed in the air for as long as he did
This is a truly disturbing case, which I read of many years ago in one of Timothy Good's UFO books. If he was taken by an intelligence from another world or dimension, then what happened to him? We know that human scientists (botanists, geologists) can collect specimens from different lands / continents - rocks, flowers, butterflies etc. It's terrible to think, but is it possible Fred was also abducted to be part of some scientific collection or menagerie? Poor man, I sincerely hope not...
I'm struggling wondering why aliens want to abduct humans. There must be a reason, with all their technology why they need to come on Earth and act like this? If they need humans like humans need mices, why they don't just kidnapped some males and some females and then made them reproduce? Why just only on Earth? Come on people, share your opinions.
@revenez interesting question, one which I'd like an answer, it makes no sense that intelligent (they'd have to be, to be able to travel planet to planet easily) would act in this manner, perhaps they dont know much about humans yet and still learning? or perhaps Fredrick wanted to remain with them after the option was given. as there is reports of people coming back after an alien abduction. Perhaps the aliens only intended to show him some 'super cool' shizz and he wanted to stay n chill? lol
@Blake4014 we should know if Frederick had the chance to choice. We should know if there are good alins who abduct people and then let them come back to home and evil aliens who don't, or if there are just some alien races who sometimes who leave the people depending on their interests about each single abducted.
@d3dreaper Dude, this thoostorm4 asshole goes around making the most retarded comments. I run into him all the time. He seems to think calling people "phuckwit" is just the most clever thing anyone has ever thought of. Go to his channel and look at his recent comments. Some of the most incoherent horseshit you'll ever read...
@tkcwu There's no proof that any alien faction involved in this case actually caused him any harm. The ones that invite people to stay with them are apparently the most benevolent of them.
alien are real people!! please wake up! dont think that we are the only species in the universe because that sounds almost dumb! if we think about the universe... underground military bases and the goverment hide this truth! just search for phil schneider and also watch my recent video of a recent footage about 2 ex-homeland security agents of usa that tell us the real deal!
@Conpa18Dani I personally don't know or care if there's other intelligent life out there really.
The videos on youtube and the usual pictures and videos scattered around are hilariously stupid though. What kind of intelligent being goes to another planet without any kind of space suit, then just walks around in the woods? And why the hell doesn't anyone have a half decent camera when one of these 'UFO's show up? Everything's blurry.
The recording hasn't been made public and has only been given to a select number of individuals, including Valentich's father. You would have to contact one of them and ask for a copy.
@VideoGamePervert The recordings were locked away for obvious reasons, his parents heard them and a few investigators buts that’s it. Cover up! Check out the westall ufo incident on youtube...cool documentary.
@VideoGamePervert The actual voice recording of the Valentich case is held in the Australian National Archives and has not been made public. Only the transcript is available.
The documentary was from an Australian TV shown called "The Extraordinary". I am unsure as to what year it was produced but it may have been the mid to late nineties.
@DumbnBlind My very first job flying after I got my CPL was doing night freight and mail runs from Moorabbin to King Island and occasionally Tassy in a Cessna 210. Everyone got a kick out of playing every single documentary out there on Frederick Valentich whenever I was around! It was a hairy enough place to fly with the weather and icing being a huge problem. My first thoughts are that he iced up and was seeing his nav light reflection but that would only be the colour from one side not both.
My dad used to go to high school with him and was friends with his brother and he reckons Fred had a bit of a passion with UFOs his brother Jamie passed away last year.
@WBFC1995 What's your dad's name? I probably knew him. By the way, it is TRUE, I did know Fred and saw him 2 weeks before. And it is true has DID have a passion for UFO's.
I knew Fred personally. I saw him 2 weeks before he disappeared in 1978. There is a piece of information that has not been released to the media, or in fact maybe even to the authorities.
One of the most interesting factors of this CE-2 case is that one can find the actual words of the witness, and his last breathe before disappearing completely. Valentich describes it very well, "It seems to be playing some sort of game..." and "It's not an aircraft... It's a long shape...it's coming for me right now." If the abductors had it their way, they might not leave a single scrap of the abductees plane.
@Wayworld01 wow, a very cryptic comment indeed. Your comment is in the present text, suggesting you have an idea where he is? Sorry for sounding obtuse here, but you have said "Frederick is committed to his story". Does that mean he is in a position to change it, if he wanted to?, suggesting he is alive and well?. If your gone, then the story can not be changed by the deceased can it?.
Yes, cryptic for the skeptic. Let me rephrase: The skeptic may say that he planned this as a stunt for fame and fortune. The skeptic should know that there is no fame and fortune for most abductees. Frederick would have to be very committed to the plan to still be missing. If Frederick's plane or body haven't been found then we must surmise that Fred is either dead or he is alive and not able or not willing to return home. I have no special knowledge.
@Wayworld01 ok, Humor me please, are we discussing string theory here and the possibility of other dimensions?. One can also assume, that in this realm, other species (that we are not are of) also reside there. I am a believer in Chaos theory and always have been. I don't want to go on about it tho, if we are not discussing the same point. Your reply please................
Yes, I suppose we are. These are some exciting times! Science, religion, philosophy and politics are mixing (in certain minds) and creating a new vision of reality. We do seem to exist in a holographic, chaotic, multidimensional, fractal, electrical river of reality. Just to be topical, I doubt any philosophy would ease the personal loss of frederick's company. That said, there is a larger issue - that of how to flap the butterfly wing.
@Wayworld01 sorry to sound like an old record here. But Einstein was working on Unified Theory (which is may fav topic in the WHOLE world) right up until his death. Some say he completed the equation on his sheets of his death bed, others say thats pure baloney. We are getting into alternate realities and 4th dimension stuff here, if I have understood your comment correctly. How can someone be a Skeptic when the whole Universe is still unfolding?.
I'm enjoying the tunes friend, thank you. I love the Einstein story, my favorite quote (hopefully accurate) is "God does not play with dice". I don't think he was writing on his sheets when he died either. Skeptics? I don't know their minds but I feel they are afraid. Skepticism is their shield, their defense against chaos and change. I like the thinking skeptic - balance can only be achieved by examining the forces acting. The truth is out there - but you may not like it.
@Wayworld01 Just to clarify one thing, Einstein WAS writing on his Bedsheets, that is not in dispute and never has been. The dispute is WHAT happened to those sheets after his death. Some speculate that they got into the hands of the US and was subsequently abused in Magnetic and Radar distortion experiments. See the film : The Philadelphia Experiment. Which explores this theory. The Bermuda triangle is also implicated in the same theory, on which time is not a contributing factor.
@Wayworld01 Cont... the Baloney part was in relation as to whether or not he actually solved the mystery of Unified Theory. Some say he did, others say not. Everything worked in Einsteins equation, but the one constant in the equation, that he could not ratify was GRAVITY. Because Gravity is always a constant, it can not be manipulated. It is irrelevant of the position of Gravity be it on Earth or out in space. That is why Quantum Physics is still a theory and not a FACT.
Hate to break it to you but science left Einstein behind. Einstein's contributions to science will never be forgotten, however his failure to accept quantum mechanics and his belief in a static universe pretty much ended his career. He spent the end of his life in a futile search for the theory of everything, never realizing he was doomed due to his rejection of quantum mechanics.
@BoyintheMachine yes a great and wonderful reply.. sorry for my delay in response. As a chaos theorist myself, it is still fundamental and elemental to consider all objectives, and since my last post..... I think the fundamentals have been achieved (much to my own satisfaction). I always knew that Gravity could be resolved, in a very basic dominion. ie: that it is universal in its own right and not to be considered whole heartily on an overall equation.... yay.
Aliens took him, what else. This isn't exactly the first case of which a plane and its occupants completely disappeared after the pilots of said aircraft had radioed in to ATC that UFOs had been harassing their craft.
I am a hardened sceptic, Imperator, judging from your post, you are not! Maybe we can have a debate about this!
One of the best UFO cases, but having seen the clip of film in full, I am very suspicious by the actions of his girlfriend calling at his motel after the crash - this sounds like a staged incident, sounds like she was almost expecting him to have survived this "UFO encounter" and to be there. That sounds VERY fishy. A staged incident..........that went wrong.
Obviously I can't prove that it was a staged incident, just as noone can prove that it was an alien spacecraft. The ending bit, where his girlfriend turns up after the event, sounds fishy. Sounds lke he told her to meet him at his motel a week after he would stage the biggest UFO hoax in history, but if he was not at the motel, it means that something went wrong with the staged hoax, and he had been killed. Otherwise, why would she have turned up after he was reported missing? VERY fishy!
Reason? Maybe Valentich wanted to do a Travis Walters!
Alien space visitors is an incredible claim, if such spacecraft existed, they would have to travel literally trillions of miles to get here. Such a claim requires incredible proof - this is one of the best UFO cases, but does it constitute incredible proof? In my view, no, but those who believe in UFO's will, of course, disagree.
I agree that there are alien cultures out there, but it has yet to be proved that they have come here
Travis WALTON, I should say of course, not Travis Walters. Sorry! The Travis Walton case happened just a few years before this one, and Valentich, being a UFO enthusiast, would certainly have read about it. Staging a very convincing hoax would have given Valentich fame and attention and maybe even fortune.
But you believe what you believe, it is an interesting case. If you believe it was an alien craft, go ahead an believe it.
I'm not certain what I can believe about this case. it's undetermined. It could have been aliens that did some thing to him (or perhaps their robotic probes which travel the stars). This might'v been staged or perhaps some thing else natural happened to him. Who knows. One thing which DOES point toward some thing physical at the scene are the numerous reports of unseen craft in the region for many days before the event. Also witnesses saw some thing near his aircraft. What could it've been?
@Imperator. Good point, again I don't have all the answers. Assuming that the pilot did not create some kind of staged effect himself somehow, then the eye witness sightings are difficult to explain. Ball lightning has been put forward as a possible explanation on here, but would ball lightening seemingly follow his aircraft?! It is mystery, and I concede that that makes this one of the best and least explanable UFO cases.
Well, I see one problem already with your line of thought. One, Valentich wanted to become an airline pilot (something which I'm training for now, I'm at the instrument stage in which he was also when he disappeared). He should've known fully well that if he risked staging such an indicent, he would have been locked away for some time. It's not an easy thing. What benefit could he have gotten out of staging this and risking his life as well? And how would he have staged it? Makes no sense.
@Imperator. Again, intelligent reasoning on your part and again I don't have all the answers. What I would say is that history tells us that people would often go to great lengths to pull off a good hoax and get themselves public fame and attention.
He may not have risked his life, but Orson Welles certainly risked his career with the War Of The Worlds hoax radio broadcast of 1938. But it worked for him, just as the Walton hoax (if it was a hoax) seemed to work for Walton.
Well if it was a hoax, it was poorly thought out. For one, the location where the plane had flown was too far away from civilization for martyrs to be present, and two, fortunately one family DID see the plane (talk about luck). Supposedly some kind of object had been dragging the plane down. Three, what had happened for the hoax to go wrong? In many ways, I'm far more convinced that this happened than the Walton case.
I also searched for other such incidents where pilots had seen UFOs, and had been stunned to learn that the Valentich case is not so special as it seems. There are at least two other cases of pilots seeing some sort of strange craft following their plane, and then literally *vanishing* from the radar-scope.
I won't claim that aliens are involved, but in deed it's strange to think that at least three pilots had tried to hoax such incidents?
Oh, of course, all difficult to explain cases, but the fact that so many people have seen ghosts, or seen the Loch Ness monster, or bigfoot, does not mean that such things necessarily exist. And it could have been an accident rather than a staged incident, an accident caused by a natural phenomenon of some kind, or, as a UFO researcher would suggest, an alien intrusion.
I'm actually open to the possibility that Big Foot may exist as there is nothing which disallows for it, and as for Loch Ness & ghosts, EBEs are scientifically demanded unlike the former two. Anyhow, I don't believe that it was a natural phenomenon because A) Were it so, why do pilots not encounter these things routinely? I've been flying myself for 4 years and haven't heard of any thing to the like of it B) By Valentich's description of the object, it had displayed intelligence....
True, maybe it could have been a rare natural phenomenon, I have heard cases of people reporting strange lights in the sky before an earthquake strikes, for example. Not that that applied in this case, of course! But I am sure that you know where I am coming from. Cases of pilots vanishing in this manner are unique, maybe a unique natural force of some kind leads to these things.
Indeed, I agree, Valentich's own description of the sighting makes this one of the best UFO cases on file. It does sound like the object, whatever it was, was interested in him rather than vice versa. There is one possibility we have not discussed yet - what about a top secret brand new military aircraft?
Argument against that, is, of course, why should such an aircraft harass a civilian pilot?!
Still, it is something else that needs consideration.
Moreover simply because the stars are trillions of miles away does not mean very much. Even our own current science has determined that a craft can travel the voids just by cruising at near lightspeed & reach other stars. Our universe is 13 billion years old. It only takes about 100,000 years traveling at lightspeed to traverse our own Galaxy. By now there might've been thousands of ETs who've visited our planet. There could be aliens right now inside our solar system and we would never know....
@Imperator. Oh, of course, I am sure that there are alien cultures elsewhere, I just need more proof that they have come to this World. If the Valentich case went to court, it would count as slim circumstantial evidence in favour of "the aliens have visited Earth" case. It would not count as exhibit A material.
What would count as exhibit A? The proverbial aliens landing on the Whitehouse lawn! That woud be solid proof!
But this case is intriging, and may never be fully explained.
I live on the Victorian coast near Bass Straight and I've seen a few sightings of strange aerial phenomenon. A silent red ball that floated over my side of town ( I have a explanation for that 1 I think). And a huge silver glowing orb on the horizon (which, definitely WASN'T the frikkin moon OR a streetlight as it occurred out near Derrinellum, Mt Elephant in the country and it was a moonless nite) which was far in the distance but would've had 2 hav been massive. I can't explain the big orb...
The old University student prank. Basically a small hot air balloon type device. A heavy duty plastic garbage bag with a light source and thermal lift device attached underneath it. A flare in a tin bucket or even a fire. Red ball prolly isn't the accurate way to have described it, my apologies. Silent red light is better. It did tend to flicker like flame when i got my scope on it. Those pranks are relatively harmless but i hope they are not done over this years fire season.
Maybe this was a prank? Valentich was very interested in UFO's himself from age 15 onwards, what if he himself had rigged up some kind of big balloon or something and attached it in such a way that it appeared to be a big ship hovering above his plane?
Maybe he tried to stage some kind of UFO abduction, meaning to disappear for a day or two, but something went wrong and he crashed into the water, to his death.
The other rational explanation (remember Roswell!) - weather balloon!!
Well the problem with attaching a ballon to your aircraft is that it can be quite difficult doing that. Eye witnesses would not have a hard time in differentiating between a towed balloon or banner and a metallic object. If one doesn't know how to attach such an object to an aircraft, it can be much more damaging to the aircraft then one would think.
I'd be interested in knowing whether Valentich had any glider expertise.
Also, the Roswell event was definitely not a weather balloon....
@ inperator. True, the roswell incident was not a weather balloon,the official explanation was that it was a spy balloon of some kind, "project mogul". The US military lost a lot of credibility by then "covering up" this alledged spy mission by the weather balloon story, and that loss of credibility was seized on by ufo supporters. After al, if the military can cover that up, one would reason, what else could they try and cover up?
Well, about Roswell...that absolutely had no connection to Roswell. Project Mogul began in 1952 and Roswell happened in 1949. Some sort of metallic debris was also recovered. And above all else, there were at least 400 witnesses present at the crash site and all testimonies were congruous: they saw 3' tall bodies that weren't human. One was still alive. Coincidence? Or "mass" hallucination?
@ImperatorDerGalaxis Plenty of people have seen strange things, e.g. ghosts, maybe millions of people all over the World have seen what they thought was a ghost - does that mean that ghosts exist? People can be mistaken in their eye witness testimony, such statements are not given full credibility in a law court. Human memory can be faulty - you yourself said that roswell was 1949 - it was actually 1947.
Eye witness statements are not always the most reliable of things.
The issue with ghosts is that humans have been conditioned for centuries to believe in asinine legends such as ghosts whereas aliens are not only real, but could have the means to travel to Earth given the age of our Galaxy. Ghosts and aliens are *not* to be put in the same bucket.
About Roswell: the fact that hundreds of witnesses had congruous testimony is quite damning for debunkers--and were it set in a law court, this case would be closed without further due....
Not sure about that imperator, I have seen just as many documentaries debunking roswell as there have been programmes championing it! Strange that it took over 30 years for eye witnesses to come forward. But hey! What do I know! You may be right, there may have been alien visitors to this planet, its just that I would like them to officially land and introduce themselves - that would be sure proof of ET contact.
Whats interesting is the last 17 seconds of the mike connection...ground personal report hearing wierd metalic scraping sounds and some sort of taping..almost like something grabbed him from bejhind and all he had was his arm free...
The video was very good. I can't say what happened to him but I might be able to shed some light on whether or not aliens exist. In 1974 -1980 I was taking pictures with a surveillence camera and got some
very unusual pictures on film. They appear to be ufo"s and most unusual of all, the aliens that possibly inhabit the light balls.
See my channel greggh71 especially Harolds mystery video 17. The films were taken in Palm Springs Florida on super eight movie film.
Well', I know that I am not a Mr. (or even a mr - whatever that is). I also know that whatever you wrote, it was not an understandable sentence, whereas, mine was.
As I said in my initial comment, "I would hazard that IF anything happened to him, it was caused by ball lightning". Which is my opinion. As no one knows what happened to him but balls of light were seen (which is, after all, what ball lightning is) and there is no such thing as "aliens", I am GUESSING that it was ball lightning. It is simply reasonable explanation. A much more reasonable supposition the completely unreasonable one suggesting that "aliens" from outer space absconded with him.
The notion of you tryin to play me dumb tickles my testies here.
However, as I said in my first comment, you sayin "there is no such thing as "aliens"" makes you sound either very knowing and hence smarter than anyone else, or, and I favour this one, stupid, ignorant, bigger-mouthed than blessed with health of open mind.
No. But neither am I stupid enough to dismiss perfectly rational explanations for things in favor of nonsensical possibilities like little green men "kidnapping" humans.
Nobody's saying that he was abducted by "little green men", you dolt. But nobody can rule out the fact that he may have been taken from the skies by an extra-terrestrial force.
If it maneuvered, it probably wasn''t ball lightening. I have commented to several other people and thought you might be interested in taking a look at some films I took in 1974-1980. This was the same time period and the films show balls of light, all sizes and shapes, what appears to be alien space suits, and what might be alien beings. I put these on greggh71, to advertise a book I recently publiished.
Look at harols mystery video 17. This is a summary of a lot of the video clips.
My mother has seen ball lightning, and unlike regular lightning, it didn't just take a straight path. It hovered and "bounced" around before disappearing out of view. What she describes makes one think a bit of those "plasma balls" (the toys sold at Science museums) but brilliant. She says they made a sound but can't describe exactly the sound.
Her mother and she (mom was in her 20s) were looking out the kitchen door and they said they were nothing like they had ever seen before. My grandfather wouldn't believe them because he had just gone into the shed and missed them
It is interesting to know that ball lightning moves around, If it was maneuvering with the plane, it probably wasn't lightening. The main reason I don't think it was lightening as we know it, is because of films I took. It may have had something to do with the plane going down, but if I had to guess, I would say it went into the ocean. I believe Plasma has been suspected as a power source for ufo's.
Watch harolds mystery video 17 on my channel. I can assure you, all of the images are real.
@Mudhooks No such thing as "aliens"? These are possible evolved exobiotic lifeforms from an alternate habitable zone planet we are talking about, not a dumb paranormal idea such as 'ghosts' or 'witches' you know
well, fascinating. no one wouldve believed him if they had found the wreckage and his body but the fact he disappeared without a trace kinda makes it an evidence he wasnt acting or sth...
I am quite interested in this case. I fly the same type of plane which Valentich flew on that fateful day. Just what on earth did the aliens want with him? Valentich isn't the only pilot who has disappeared as the result of a ufo abduction.
It can't be said for certain that he was abducted by aliens. It's certainly peculiar, but there are many things about this planet, its skies and its atmosphere that science doesn't yet understand. At this point in time, we still know only a small amount about our world - remember that.
If you curious about what might be here take a look at my channel greggh71, especially harolds mystery video 17 and clip 1of 15 and 2 of 15. I put these film clips on Youtube to advertise a book I recently published
Also, on the production's claims: few people, comparative to the audience watching it and the Unsolved Mysteries episode, had heard them at the time. The exact transcript can now be accessed through the Wikipedia page about him. What strikes me as most impressive as that that is actually Steve Robey, the air traffic controller on duty that evening, playing himself in the piece.
Also, for the record, it can be very difficult to disappear when EVERYONE is looking for you. Given the nature of the subject, you think people weren't checking the coasts for a landing, in the event that he was hoaxing? Is the plane just going to sit on the coast, or wherever, for 30 years? The call letters of his plane would be there to see, once reported. The plane has never been found.
Mr Valentich was abducted by aliens,I truly belive this planet will be invaded by extraterristial beings ,whether they come in peace or not we'll soon find out when that day comes.
Trust me, if they wanted to take over... they would have done it a long time ago. They don't want to harm us. He must have crashed in the ocean and his plane is deep under water which is incredibly hard to find.
This is got to be the most contributing evidence to the fact that they are and may be UFOs. I don't think we are the only species on the planet.
Hperman09 4 weeks ago
It is in deed all too likely that these beings had kidnapped him, and carried him off to some place far away. To where, no one will know any time soon.
DieserBenuterIstCool 1 month ago
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UFO and remote mind reading/manipulation technology was developed by the nazis by the end of WW2 without any alien help. : there is an extreme criminal orgonizaiton working withing high ranks of the US military waging psychological against the general population pretending to be extradimensional aliens and/or angelic and demonic forces often using holograms.
hope4world3000 1 month ago
I wrote a death/black metal song about this, if anyones interested its in my uploads.
zetareticuliband 4 months ago
This is a hoax.
If it was real there would be actual voice recordings of the actual event.
Notice no one has ever heard the actual voice recordings?
That is because the whole thing was a hoax.
People will believe any hoaxes put in front of them.
It is amazing how dumb people can be.
planetcheck 4 months ago
@planetcheck There is a disclosed transcript from the Austrilian department of transportation of the conversation. You can't expect every conversation to be recorded.
Memetication 3 months ago
@planetcheck this did happen, there is audio trandscript i heard it....weather it was a ufo or plane crash we wont know, but what was said really happend
expidemic 3 months ago
@planetcheck Wow you'rre an idiot... their are recordings of this you tool...
shadowtygo 1 month ago
@planetcheck Dipstick- It's a true story with real voice recordings and transcripts. I remember when it happened. Valentich wasn't the only one that saw UFO's and green lights at the time. A lot of Northern Tasmanians did.
atje43 1 month ago
@planetcheck You think the government of Australia and the hundreds of people involved in this case will stage all just to fool the rest of the world as a hoax? You are very stupid or just a terrible troll.
Akron162 2 weeks ago
i thought frederick valentich's last words were "it's hovering and it's not an air craft"
but this claims it was "7, 12, and 28"
TheTrueDiablix 5 months ago
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Hello all, I am alive and well. I pulled this hoax for personal reasons that I will not divulge. I didn't think it would generate the responce it had, and after the extensive search was deployed, I was pretty much comitted to take it to the grave. Forgive me, F. V.
goodkarma33 5 months ago
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goodkarma33 5 months ago
I've recently found an episode of the "In Search Of" series presented by Leonard Nimoy called "UFO Australia" that shows interviews with Valentich' father and even the operator that spoke with Valentich just before he disappeared.
VideoGamePervert 6 months ago
I know what happened, if you listen to what Brian Jones says at (3.29 seconds) of video. Is it possible that Frederick quite young at age 20 maybe lost his direction in the dark and was actually seeing his plane lights relflected in the water? and became disorientated and confused and crashed into the water?. Where was he going and what were his planes???
williamernestsmith 6 months ago
@williamernestsmith I mean't what were his plans! spelling error
williamernestsmith 6 months ago
@williamernestsmith He was going to King's island and he planned to do a routine landing. He was a great pilot and there were several witnesses who saw similar things on him as him. Also, there were no remains in the water even after extensive searches.
Big5000K 6 months ago
@williamernestsmith this theory was one of the first proposed however was proven to be impossible. The particular model of plane he was flying would have made it impossible for him to have gotten disoriented in such a way that would've caused him to see his own plane's light reflections in the water to where he would think it was flying above him and to have stayed in the air for as long as he did
TheTrueDiablix 1 month ago
Have a song uploaded about this.
zetareticuliband 7 months ago
So, this idiot thinks it was a suicide mission. How insensitive can this prick possibly be?
Seigu007 7 months ago
He's in a glass case in a zeta reticulan zoo for them to laugh at.
britelite2657 8 months ago 11
@britelite2657 i bet you wear glasses an got buck teeth
thoostorm4 7 months ago
@thoostorm4 Ahh haha yeh and acne of course and get kicks up the gary glitter in assembly
britelite2657 7 months ago
Anyone else find it pretty weird his own father acts out his own part in the reconstruction of the cop calling to his house etc?
clydebear 8 months ago
This is a truly disturbing case, which I read of many years ago in one of Timothy Good's UFO books. If he was taken by an intelligence from another world or dimension, then what happened to him? We know that human scientists (botanists, geologists) can collect specimens from different lands / continents - rocks, flowers, butterflies etc. It's terrible to think, but is it possible Fred was also abducted to be part of some scientific collection or menagerie? Poor man, I sincerely hope not...
sarissa336 8 months ago
Love you
mrsmite1000 10 months ago
I think this is real thumb up everybody
mrsmite1000 10 months ago
so what do they expect it to be?
SonyCamry 10 months ago
I'm struggling wondering why aliens want to abduct humans. There must be a reason, with all their technology why they need to come on Earth and act like this? If they need humans like humans need mices, why they don't just kidnapped some males and some females and then made them reproduce? Why just only on Earth? Come on people, share your opinions.
revenez 11 months ago
@revenez interesting question, one which I'd like an answer, it makes no sense that intelligent (they'd have to be, to be able to travel planet to planet easily) would act in this manner, perhaps they dont know much about humans yet and still learning? or perhaps Fredrick wanted to remain with them after the option was given. as there is reports of people coming back after an alien abduction. Perhaps the aliens only intended to show him some 'super cool' shizz and he wanted to stay n chill? lol
Blake4014 11 months ago
@Blake4014 we should know if Frederick had the chance to choice. We should know if there are good alins who abduct people and then let them come back to home and evil aliens who don't, or if there are just some alien races who sometimes who leave the people depending on their interests about each single abducted.
revenez 10 months ago
@Blake4014 They gave him some extraterrestrial weed and it blew his mind.... literally!!
d3dreaper 10 months ago
@d3dreaper like yours is phuktwit
thoostorm4 7 months ago
@thoostorm4 wtf is "phuktwit"? lol
d3dreaper 7 months ago
@d3dreaper Dude, this thoostorm4 asshole goes around making the most retarded comments. I run into him all the time. He seems to think calling people "phuckwit" is just the most clever thing anyone has ever thought of. Go to his channel and look at his recent comments. Some of the most incoherent horseshit you'll ever read...
MrHorrorFan 6 months ago
@MrHorrorFan lmfao i tried to make sense of his comments and it's impossible!
d3dreaper 6 months ago
@thoostorm4 Hey, asshead. Miss me?
MrHorrorFan 6 months ago
damn thats fucking weird it sounds like something out of the x files
SirBullet754 11 months ago
I like the replaying of the actual incident... They did a very good job.
bianczdcutewitch 11 months ago
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dandog1971 11 months ago
This is the kind of UFO case I'm interested in. Not this "I just saw a chinse lantern!" bollocks!
stig781 1 year ago
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Check out my music video on this case.
zetareticuliband 1 year ago
They better not fucking step foot on earth, all these abductions and tresspassing our air space, we'll going to kill these alien fuckers.
tkcwu 1 year ago
@tkcwu With the technology they have, we're lucky that they didn't blow up our little planet...
js83 1 year ago
@js83 hey which side are you on traitor alien lover
tkcwu 1 year ago
@tkcwu lol...I'm defintely not on their side...but their technology is way beyond anything we have...
js83 1 year ago
@tkcwu There's no proof that any alien faction involved in this case actually caused him any harm. The ones that invite people to stay with them are apparently the most benevolent of them.
stig781 1 year ago
I recorded a song about this, if anyone's interested: my-space/zetareticuliband
SerpentsOvSmoke 1 year ago
I want to edit this conversation with the following so bad but I don't have the proper software.
"Beware, I live."
"Melbourne, this is Delta Sierra Juliet. Is there any known traffic below five thousand?"
"Delta Sierra Juliet, it seems to me that he's playing some sort of game, he's flying over me two, three times at speeds I could not identify."
"Run Coward!"
"That strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again... It is hovering and it's not an aircraft."
"RAUGH! ... I am Sinistar."
Silvsilvchan 1 year ago
@Silvsilvchan
I can do it for you..
ScitterZ 1 year ago
why the fuck would aliens go to Australia anyway ? thats like the last place on earth u wanna go !
edwinpedram 1 year ago
i hope Frederick is somewhere safe and happy.
XERZiAS 1 year ago 28
One of the most convincing ufo cases ever.
allthewine 1 year ago
alien are real people!! please wake up! dont think that we are the only species in the universe because that sounds almost dumb! if we think about the universe... underground military bases and the goverment hide this truth! just search for phil schneider and also watch my recent video of a recent footage about 2 ex-homeland security agents of usa that tell us the real deal!
Conpa18Dani 1 year ago
@Conpa18Dani ...lol.
SystelCyrus 1 year ago
@SystelCyrus i guess anybody believes what he/she wants, but the true its always going to be the truth.
Conpa18Dani 1 year ago
@Conpa18Dani I personally don't know or care if there's other intelligent life out there really.
The videos on youtube and the usual pictures and videos scattered around are hilariously stupid though. What kind of intelligent being goes to another planet without any kind of space suit, then just walks around in the woods? And why the hell doesn't anyone have a half decent camera when one of these 'UFO's show up? Everything's blurry.
So yeah.
SystelCyrus 1 year ago
Where is the real ATC recording?
JefferyWWright 1 year ago
Does anyone know where I can find the actual cockpit recording of the Valentich case?
VideoGamePervert 1 year ago 43
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easun 1 year ago
@VideoGamePervert
The recording hasn't been made public and has only been given to a select number of individuals, including Valentich's father. You would have to contact one of them and ask for a copy.
mikefictiti0us 1 year ago
@VideoGamePervert dude your name is a total win like bullshit aside it is.LOL
kevenescamilla 1 year ago
@VideoGamePervert I believe it was never made public
escriticapop 1 year ago
@VideoGamePervert Ask NSA or CIA for that
crogeek 1 year ago
@crogeek Those are American organisations, this happenned in Australia.
stig781 1 year ago
@VideoGamePervert
It was never made public. Pity...
izafet 11 months ago
@VideoGamePervert wiki says that Richard Haines got a copy of the scraping sounds. asshole if he hasn't released that.
DanFrederiksen 8 months ago
@VideoGamePervert The recordings were locked away for obvious reasons, his parents heard them and a few investigators buts that’s it. Cover up! Check out the westall ufo incident on youtube...cool documentary.
Ctemple2012 6 months ago
@VideoGamePervert It is my information that some of the transcript of the radio contact is classified to this day.
leeking007 6 months ago
@VideoGamePervert The actual voice recording of the Valentich case is held in the Australian National Archives and has not been made public. Only the transcript is available.
Scorp308 4 months ago
Dear Dear DumbnBlind.
Thank you so much for the answer.
I am running UFO archive so will put a note of your description to the list for this piece.
Best Wishes
PS - There was also piece inside History Channel Vanishings. I am trying to get that one too.
uforadio 1 year ago
The documentary was from an Australian TV shown called "The Extraordinary". I am unsure as to what year it was produced but it may have been the mid to late nineties.
DumbnBlind 1 year ago
@DumbnBlind My very first job flying after I got my CPL was doing night freight and mail runs from Moorabbin to King Island and occasionally Tassy in a Cessna 210. Everyone got a kick out of playing every single documentary out there on Frederick Valentich whenever I was around! It was a hairy enough place to fly with the weather and icing being a huge problem. My first thoughts are that he iced up and was seeing his nav light reflection but that would only be the colour from one side not both.
gnarkillkicksass 9 months ago
@DumbnBlind 1992 it was made. they said 14 years later and he disappeared in 78.
haydesj 8 months ago
Dear DumbnBlind.
Do you know the exact name of this documentary and the year of broadcast?
Or this was a TV reports that was included inside some show?
Best Wishes
uforadio 1 year ago
My dad used to go to high school with him and was friends with his brother and he reckons Fred had a bit of a passion with UFOs his brother Jamie passed away last year.
WBFC1995 1 year ago
@WBFC1995 What's your dad's name? I probably knew him. By the way, it is TRUE, I did know Fred and saw him 2 weeks before. And it is true has DID have a passion for UFO's.
creativeengineer 1 year ago
@creativeengineer Joe Caluzzi from St Johns Braybrook.
wogboy79 1 year ago
I knew Fred personally. I saw him 2 weeks before he disappeared in 1978. There is a piece of information that has not been released to the media, or in fact maybe even to the authorities.
creativeengineer 1 year ago
@creativeengineer : Hmmm, fascinating! You can just tell us that man!!! Any more details???
mlc2005 1 year ago
@creativeengineer What is the piece of information that has not been released to the media, or in fact maybe even to authorities?
jvallimare 1 year ago
@creativeengineer Troll!
JoseRamirez0014 1 year ago
@creativeengineer Yet you won't say what.
Liar.
jimmywrangles 1 year ago
One of the most interesting factors of this CE-2 case is that one can find the actual words of the witness, and his last breathe before disappearing completely. Valentich describes it very well, "It seems to be playing some sort of game..." and "It's not an aircraft... It's a long shape...it's coming for me right now." If the abductors had it their way, they might not leave a single scrap of the abductees plane.
SoldatSolutrea 1 year ago
Frederick Valentich is committed to his story. I hope he gets to see his parents again someday.
Wayworld01 1 year ago
@Wayworld01 wow, a very cryptic comment indeed. Your comment is in the present text, suggesting you have an idea where he is? Sorry for sounding obtuse here, but you have said "Frederick is committed to his story". Does that mean he is in a position to change it, if he wanted to?, suggesting he is alive and well?. If your gone, then the story can not be changed by the deceased can it?.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant
Yes, cryptic for the skeptic. Let me rephrase: The skeptic may say that he planned this as a stunt for fame and fortune. The skeptic should know that there is no fame and fortune for most abductees. Frederick would have to be very committed to the plan to still be missing. If Frederick's plane or body haven't been found then we must surmise that Fred is either dead or he is alive and not able or not willing to return home. I have no special knowledge.
Wayworld01 1 year ago
@Wayworld01 ok, Humor me please, are we discussing string theory here and the possibility of other dimensions?. One can also assume, that in this realm, other species (that we are not are of) also reside there. I am a believer in Chaos theory and always have been. I don't want to go on about it tho, if we are not discussing the same point. Your reply please................
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant
Yes, I suppose we are. These are some exciting times! Science, religion, philosophy and politics are mixing (in certain minds) and creating a new vision of reality. We do seem to exist in a holographic, chaotic, multidimensional, fractal, electrical river of reality. Just to be topical, I doubt any philosophy would ease the personal loss of frederick's company. That said, there is a larger issue - that of how to flap the butterfly wing.
Wayworld01 1 year ago
@Wayworld01 sorry to sound like an old record here. But Einstein was working on Unified Theory (which is may fav topic in the WHOLE world) right up until his death. Some say he completed the equation on his sheets of his death bed, others say thats pure baloney. We are getting into alternate realities and 4th dimension stuff here, if I have understood your comment correctly. How can someone be a Skeptic when the whole Universe is still unfolding?.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant
I'm enjoying the tunes friend, thank you. I love the Einstein story, my favorite quote (hopefully accurate) is "God does not play with dice". I don't think he was writing on his sheets when he died either. Skeptics? I don't know their minds but I feel they are afraid. Skepticism is their shield, their defense against chaos and change. I like the thinking skeptic - balance can only be achieved by examining the forces acting. The truth is out there - but you may not like it.
Wayworld01 1 year ago
@Wayworld01 Just to clarify one thing, Einstein WAS writing on his Bedsheets, that is not in dispute and never has been. The dispute is WHAT happened to those sheets after his death. Some speculate that they got into the hands of the US and was subsequently abused in Magnetic and Radar distortion experiments. See the film : The Philadelphia Experiment. Which explores this theory. The Bermuda triangle is also implicated in the same theory, on which time is not a contributing factor.
starquant 1 year ago
@Wayworld01 Cont... the Baloney part was in relation as to whether or not he actually solved the mystery of Unified Theory. Some say he did, others say not. Everything worked in Einsteins equation, but the one constant in the equation, that he could not ratify was GRAVITY. Because Gravity is always a constant, it can not be manipulated. It is irrelevant of the position of Gravity be it on Earth or out in space. That is why Quantum Physics is still a theory and not a FACT.
starquant 1 year ago
@starquant
Hate to break it to you but science left Einstein behind. Einstein's contributions to science will never be forgotten, however his failure to accept quantum mechanics and his belief in a static universe pretty much ended his career. He spent the end of his life in a futile search for the theory of everything, never realizing he was doomed due to his rejection of quantum mechanics.
BoyintheMachine 1 year ago
@BoyintheMachine yes a great and wonderful reply.. sorry for my delay in response. As a chaos theorist myself, it is still fundamental and elemental to consider all objectives, and since my last post..... I think the fundamentals have been achieved (much to my own satisfaction). I always knew that Gravity could be resolved, in a very basic dominion. ie: that it is universal in its own right and not to be considered whole heartily on an overall equation.... yay.
starquant 1 year ago
I have been fascinated with this case for years. There is something incredibly interesting about it.
warbird417 1 year ago
i'm never going in a plane again.
tomodude6542 1 year ago
Why can`t any of the Roy Manifold pictures be found on the web?
mentalasme 1 year ago
Aliens took him, what else. This isn't exactly the first case of which a plane and its occupants completely disappeared after the pilots of said aircraft had radioed in to ATC that UFOs had been harassing their craft.
ImperatorDerGalaxis 2 years ago
I am a hardened sceptic, Imperator, judging from your post, you are not! Maybe we can have a debate about this!
One of the best UFO cases, but having seen the clip of film in full, I am very suspicious by the actions of his girlfriend calling at his motel after the crash - this sounds like a staged incident, sounds like she was almost expecting him to have survived this "UFO encounter" and to be there. That sounds VERY fishy. A staged incident..........that went wrong.
badgerfaye 1 year ago
@badgerfaye
Prove that it was a staged incident. For what reason could it have been staged? Especially over the ocean?
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
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badgerfaye 1 year ago
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Obviously I can't prove that it was a staged incident, just as noone can prove that it was an alien spacecraft. The ending bit, where his girlfriend turns up after the event, sounds fishy. Sounds lke he told her to meet him at his motel a week after he would stage the biggest UFO hoax in history, but if he was not at the motel, it means that something went wrong with the staged hoax, and he had been killed. Otherwise, why would she have turned up after he was reported missing? VERY fishy!
badgerfaye 1 year ago
Reason? Maybe Valentich wanted to do a Travis Walters!
Alien space visitors is an incredible claim, if such spacecraft existed, they would have to travel literally trillions of miles to get here. Such a claim requires incredible proof - this is one of the best UFO cases, but does it constitute incredible proof? In my view, no, but those who believe in UFO's will, of course, disagree.
I agree that there are alien cultures out there, but it has yet to be proved that they have come here
badgerfaye 1 year ago
Travis WALTON, I should say of course, not Travis Walters. Sorry! The Travis Walton case happened just a few years before this one, and Valentich, being a UFO enthusiast, would certainly have read about it. Staging a very convincing hoax would have given Valentich fame and attention and maybe even fortune.
But you believe what you believe, it is an interesting case. If you believe it was an alien craft, go ahead an believe it.
But some of us require a bit more proof.
badgerfaye 1 year ago
I'm not certain what I can believe about this case. it's undetermined. It could have been aliens that did some thing to him (or perhaps their robotic probes which travel the stars). This might'v been staged or perhaps some thing else natural happened to him. Who knows. One thing which DOES point toward some thing physical at the scene are the numerous reports of unseen craft in the region for many days before the event. Also witnesses saw some thing near his aircraft. What could it've been?
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
@Imperator. Good point, again I don't have all the answers. Assuming that the pilot did not create some kind of staged effect himself somehow, then the eye witness sightings are difficult to explain. Ball lightning has been put forward as a possible explanation on here, but would ball lightening seemingly follow his aircraft?! It is mystery, and I concede that that makes this one of the best and least explanable UFO cases.
badgerfaye 1 year ago
Well, I see one problem already with your line of thought. One, Valentich wanted to become an airline pilot (something which I'm training for now, I'm at the instrument stage in which he was also when he disappeared). He should've known fully well that if he risked staging such an indicent, he would have been locked away for some time. It's not an easy thing. What benefit could he have gotten out of staging this and risking his life as well? And how would he have staged it? Makes no sense.
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
@Imperator. Again, intelligent reasoning on your part and again I don't have all the answers. What I would say is that history tells us that people would often go to great lengths to pull off a good hoax and get themselves public fame and attention.
He may not have risked his life, but Orson Welles certainly risked his career with the War Of The Worlds hoax radio broadcast of 1938. But it worked for him, just as the Walton hoax (if it was a hoax) seemed to work for Walton.
badgerfaye 1 year ago
@badgerfaye
Well if it was a hoax, it was poorly thought out. For one, the location where the plane had flown was too far away from civilization for martyrs to be present, and two, fortunately one family DID see the plane (talk about luck). Supposedly some kind of object had been dragging the plane down. Three, what had happened for the hoax to go wrong? In many ways, I'm far more convinced that this happened than the Walton case.
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
@ImperatorDerGalaxis
I also searched for other such incidents where pilots had seen UFOs, and had been stunned to learn that the Valentich case is not so special as it seems. There are at least two other cases of pilots seeing some sort of strange craft following their plane, and then literally *vanishing* from the radar-scope.
I won't claim that aliens are involved, but in deed it's strange to think that at least three pilots had tried to hoax such incidents?
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
@ImperatorDerGalaxis
Oh, of course, all difficult to explain cases, but the fact that so many people have seen ghosts, or seen the Loch Ness monster, or bigfoot, does not mean that such things necessarily exist. And it could have been an accident rather than a staged incident, an accident caused by a natural phenomenon of some kind, or, as a UFO researcher would suggest, an alien intrusion.
badgerfaye 1 year ago
I'm actually open to the possibility that Big Foot may exist as there is nothing which disallows for it, and as for Loch Ness & ghosts, EBEs are scientifically demanded unlike the former two. Anyhow, I don't believe that it was a natural phenomenon because A) Were it so, why do pilots not encounter these things routinely? I've been flying myself for 4 years and haven't heard of any thing to the like of it B) By Valentich's description of the object, it had displayed intelligence....
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
@ImperatorDerGalaxis
True, maybe it could have been a rare natural phenomenon, I have heard cases of people reporting strange lights in the sky before an earthquake strikes, for example. Not that that applied in this case, of course! But I am sure that you know where I am coming from. Cases of pilots vanishing in this manner are unique, maybe a unique natural force of some kind leads to these things.
badgerfaye 1 year ago
@ImperatorDerGalaxis
Indeed, I agree, Valentich's own description of the sighting makes this one of the best UFO cases on file. It does sound like the object, whatever it was, was interested in him rather than vice versa. There is one possibility we have not discussed yet - what about a top secret brand new military aircraft?
Argument against that, is, of course, why should such an aircraft harass a civilian pilot?!
Still, it is something else that needs consideration.
badgerfaye 1 year ago
Moreover simply because the stars are trillions of miles away does not mean very much. Even our own current science has determined that a craft can travel the voids just by cruising at near lightspeed & reach other stars. Our universe is 13 billion years old. It only takes about 100,000 years traveling at lightspeed to traverse our own Galaxy. By now there might've been thousands of ETs who've visited our planet. There could be aliens right now inside our solar system and we would never know....
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
@Imperator. Oh, of course, I am sure that there are alien cultures elsewhere, I just need more proof that they have come to this World. If the Valentich case went to court, it would count as slim circumstantial evidence in favour of "the aliens have visited Earth" case. It would not count as exhibit A material.
What would count as exhibit A? The proverbial aliens landing on the Whitehouse lawn! That woud be solid proof!
But this case is intriging, and may never be fully explained.
badgerfaye 1 year ago
I live on the Victorian coast near Bass Straight and I've seen a few sightings of strange aerial phenomenon. A silent red ball that floated over my side of town ( I have a explanation for that 1 I think). And a huge silver glowing orb on the horizon (which, definitely WASN'T the frikkin moon OR a streetlight as it occurred out near Derrinellum, Mt Elephant in the country and it was a moonless nite) which was far in the distance but would've had 2 hav been massive. I can't explain the big orb...
C59Soldier 2 years ago 2
so... what could have been the explanation for the silent red ball?
rebbyshy1 2 years ago
The old University student prank. Basically a small hot air balloon type device. A heavy duty plastic garbage bag with a light source and thermal lift device attached underneath it. A flare in a tin bucket or even a fire. Red ball prolly isn't the accurate way to have described it, my apologies. Silent red light is better. It did tend to flicker like flame when i got my scope on it. Those pranks are relatively harmless but i hope they are not done over this years fire season.
C59Soldier 2 years ago
ah i see. yeah if anyone did that and caused a fire they deserved to be smacked... with a baseball bat :P
rebbyshy1 2 years ago
Maybe this was a prank? Valentich was very interested in UFO's himself from age 15 onwards, what if he himself had rigged up some kind of big balloon or something and attached it in such a way that it appeared to be a big ship hovering above his plane?
Maybe he tried to stage some kind of UFO abduction, meaning to disappear for a day or two, but something went wrong and he crashed into the water, to his death.
The other rational explanation (remember Roswell!) - weather balloon!!
badgerfaye 1 year ago
Well the problem with attaching a ballon to your aircraft is that it can be quite difficult doing that. Eye witnesses would not have a hard time in differentiating between a towed balloon or banner and a metallic object. If one doesn't know how to attach such an object to an aircraft, it can be much more damaging to the aircraft then one would think.
I'd be interested in knowing whether Valentich had any glider expertise.
Also, the Roswell event was definitely not a weather balloon....
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
@ inperator. True, the roswell incident was not a weather balloon,the official explanation was that it was a spy balloon of some kind, "project mogul". The US military lost a lot of credibility by then "covering up" this alledged spy mission by the weather balloon story, and that loss of credibility was seized on by ufo supporters. After al, if the military can cover that up, one would reason, what else could they try and cover up?
badgerfaye 1 year ago
@badgerfaye
Well, about Roswell...that absolutely had no connection to Roswell. Project Mogul began in 1952 and Roswell happened in 1949. Some sort of metallic debris was also recovered. And above all else, there were at least 400 witnesses present at the crash site and all testimonies were congruous: they saw 3' tall bodies that weren't human. One was still alive. Coincidence? Or "mass" hallucination?
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
@ImperatorDerGalaxis Plenty of people have seen strange things, e.g. ghosts, maybe millions of people all over the World have seen what they thought was a ghost - does that mean that ghosts exist? People can be mistaken in their eye witness testimony, such statements are not given full credibility in a law court. Human memory can be faulty - you yourself said that roswell was 1949 - it was actually 1947.
Eye witness statements are not always the most reliable of things.
badgerfaye 1 year ago
The issue with ghosts is that humans have been conditioned for centuries to believe in asinine legends such as ghosts whereas aliens are not only real, but could have the means to travel to Earth given the age of our Galaxy. Ghosts and aliens are *not* to be put in the same bucket.
About Roswell: the fact that hundreds of witnesses had congruous testimony is quite damning for debunkers--and were it set in a law court, this case would be closed without further due....
ImperatorDerGalaxis 1 year ago
@ImperatorDerGalaxis
Not sure about that imperator, I have seen just as many documentaries debunking roswell as there have been programmes championing it! Strange that it took over 30 years for eye witnesses to come forward. But hey! What do I know! You may be right, there may have been alien visitors to this planet, its just that I would like them to officially land and introduce themselves - that would be sure proof of ET contact.
badgerfaye 1 year ago
@C59Soldier
Stop smoking weed son, lol...
Zamorano0180 2 years ago
Whats interesting is the last 17 seconds of the mike connection...ground personal report hearing wierd metalic scraping sounds and some sort of taping..almost like something grabbed him from bejhind and all he had was his arm free...
gofikinn999 2 years ago
using the real relatives for re-creations?? awful
benadam74 2 years ago 2
Actually it was 6 minutes past 7 pm
Or 19:06
powermetal4eva 2 years ago
The video was very good. I can't say what happened to him but I might be able to shed some light on whether or not aliens exist. In 1974 -1980 I was taking pictures with a surveillence camera and got some
very unusual pictures on film. They appear to be ufo"s and most unusual of all, the aliens that possibly inhabit the light balls.
See my channel greggh71 especially Harolds mystery video 17. The films were taken in Palm Springs Florida on super eight movie film.
greggh71 2 years ago
Well', I know that I am not a Mr. (or even a mr - whatever that is). I also know that whatever you wrote, it was not an understandable sentence, whereas, mine was.
Mudhooks 2 years ago
thank you for your time
CaptainShitbeard 2 years ago
Any time.
Mudhooks 2 years ago
my point was, as your intuition might have led you to first grasp and second ignore, how do you KNOW?
CaptainShitbeard 2 years ago
As I said in my initial comment, "I would hazard that IF anything happened to him, it was caused by ball lightning". Which is my opinion. As no one knows what happened to him but balls of light were seen (which is, after all, what ball lightning is) and there is no such thing as "aliens", I am GUESSING that it was ball lightning. It is simply reasonable explanation. A much more reasonable supposition the completely unreasonable one suggesting that "aliens" from outer space absconded with him.
Mudhooks 2 years ago
The notion of you tryin to play me dumb tickles my testies here.
However, as I said in my first comment, you sayin "there is no such thing as "aliens"" makes you sound either very knowing and hence smarter than anyone else, or, and I favour this one, stupid, ignorant, bigger-mouthed than blessed with health of open mind.
No hard feelings, though...
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Mudhooks 2 years ago
Are you as ignorant and thick as to think that humans somehow "rule" the Universe?
tobyobrie 2 years ago
No. But neither am I stupid enough to dismiss perfectly rational explanations for things in favor of nonsensical possibilities like little green men "kidnapping" humans.
Mudhooks 2 years ago
Nobody's saying that he was abducted by "little green men", you dolt. But nobody can rule out the fact that he may have been taken from the skies by an extra-terrestrial force.
tobyobrie 2 years ago 18
@Mudhooks On the other hand, Occam's razor. Abduction disappearance vs. contrived ,nonsensical decades- long, pointless hoax by one man.
stig781 1 year ago
If it maneuvered, it probably wasn''t ball lightening. I have commented to several other people and thought you might be interested in taking a look at some films I took in 1974-1980. This was the same time period and the films show balls of light, all sizes and shapes, what appears to be alien space suits, and what might be alien beings. I put these on greggh71, to advertise a book I recently publiished.
Look at harols mystery video 17. This is a summary of a lot of the video clips.
greggh71 2 years ago
My mother has seen ball lightning, and unlike regular lightning, it didn't just take a straight path. It hovered and "bounced" around before disappearing out of view. What she describes makes one think a bit of those "plasma balls" (the toys sold at Science museums) but brilliant. She says they made a sound but can't describe exactly the sound.
Mudhooks 2 years ago
Her mother and she (mom was in her 20s) were looking out the kitchen door and they said they were nothing like they had ever seen before. My grandfather wouldn't believe them because he had just gone into the shed and missed them
Mudhooks 2 years ago
It is interesting to know that ball lightning moves around, If it was maneuvering with the plane, it probably wasn't lightening. The main reason I don't think it was lightening as we know it, is because of films I took. It may have had something to do with the plane going down, but if I had to guess, I would say it went into the ocean. I believe Plasma has been suspected as a power source for ufo's.
Watch harolds mystery video 17 on my channel. I can assure you, all of the images are real.
greggh71 2 years ago
Being as there is no such thing as "aliens" I would hazard that IF anything happened to him, it was caused by ball lightning...
Mudhooks 2 years ago
being itself is the word your mind is chokin on, mr smarty pants...
what else do you KNOW?
CaptainShitbeard 2 years ago
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Mudhooks 2 years ago
@Mudhooks No such thing as "aliens"? These are possible evolved exobiotic lifeforms from an alternate habitable zone planet we are talking about, not a dumb paranormal idea such as 'ghosts' or 'witches' you know
stig781 1 year ago
Do any of you guys think it possible that Frederick Valentich may be alive today, given that he *was* kidnapped by something unknown?
PiNkLoLiPoPs 2 years ago
well, fascinating. no one wouldve believed him if they had found the wreckage and his body but the fact he disappeared without a trace kinda makes it an evidence he wasnt acting or sth...
mitho88 2 years ago
One has to feel sorry for the relatives and friends who lost him. What a scenario to lose your child to something unknown, huh?
PaterTuus 2 years ago
I am quite interested in this case. I fly the same type of plane which Valentich flew on that fateful day. Just what on earth did the aliens want with him? Valentich isn't the only pilot who has disappeared as the result of a ufo abduction.
PaterTuus 2 years ago
It can't be said for certain that he was abducted by aliens. It's certainly peculiar, but there are many things about this planet, its skies and its atmosphere that science doesn't yet understand. At this point in time, we still know only a small amount about our world - remember that.
tobyobrie 2 years ago
If you curious about what might be here take a look at my channel greggh71, especially harolds mystery video 17 and clip 1of 15 and 2 of 15. I put these film clips on Youtube to advertise a book I recently published
greggh71 2 years ago
Also, on the production's claims: few people, comparative to the audience watching it and the Unsolved Mysteries episode, had heard them at the time. The exact transcript can now be accessed through the Wikipedia page about him. What strikes me as most impressive as that that is actually Steve Robey, the air traffic controller on duty that evening, playing himself in the piece.
VampireYoshi 3 years ago
Also, for the record, it can be very difficult to disappear when EVERYONE is looking for you. Given the nature of the subject, you think people weren't checking the coasts for a landing, in the event that he was hoaxing? Is the plane just going to sit on the coast, or wherever, for 30 years? The call letters of his plane would be there to see, once reported. The plane has never been found.
Valentich did indeed vanish; explanation unknown.
VampireYoshi 3 years ago
I didnt get the last part? what about his girl friend??
Matey3 3 years ago
Mr Valentich was abducted by aliens,I truly belive this planet will be invaded by extraterristial beings ,whether they come in peace or not we'll soon find out when that day comes.
1986Hitman 3 years ago 12
i think so to, i mean this is so bizarre.
KCCSinisterSix 3 years ago
@1986Hitman Oh come on.
iammishahearmeroar 1 year ago
@1986Hitman
Trust me, if they wanted to take over... they would have done it a long time ago. They don't want to harm us. He must have crashed in the ocean and his plane is deep under water which is incredibly hard to find.