Nuclear power in the Stimulus bill?-2/2

[gamble180]

This guy is a proffesional antinuclear activist who is well paid by the fanatics at Greenpeace to peddle this junk science crap.

[tombeardman]

Nuclear is not carbon free. It takes tons of coal to refine the plutonium, it takes so much money to create one of these power plants, it takes 15 years to cover the cost of construction and that leaves only a handful of years of viability. Also, electric cars running off of coal fired power plants puts out fewer pollutants than the best hybrid toyotas.

[tombeardman]

@tombeardman Also, Patrick Moore is a paid shill for the nuclear power companies.

[RaySquirrel]

@tombeardman That is a simply ridiculous evaluation! Most N-Plant construction delays and cost overruns come from legal challenges brought about by anti-nuke groups. New modular reactors take away many of the upfront capital costs of traditional reactors. Plus few fuel reactors use plutonium. They use either uranium or very soon thorium. No energy source is carbon free! But one pellet of uranium is worth 30 tons of coal! (watch?v=gFuw9SY0GpI)

[GreggaryPeccary]

Why has NE failed? It provides a shitload of energy and electricity for the world

[falveys]

Nuclear power is a win win, creating 100,000's of jobs, while saving the planet, but to be done right no corners can be cut, will we get Enron to run it or the State? ahh HELLO!

[freedomintheus]

This is all bullshit.

HEMP could be used to power the whole planet. heat,fuel,electric. All of it,clean and cheep.

[deciusbrutus]

@freedomintheus Thats laughable.

[evcimatu]

what happen to the video? it's gone.

[qualisarx]

IT is know back.

[beastshawnee]

we will look at nuclear with 'NEW EYES'... three of them centered over our drooling mouths. We'll be water-brained, and unable to be smart enough to keep feeding the monsters, and they'll melt down, exploding away all our problems.

[PlateauEast]

its impossible to listen to two people argue when they disagree on the basic facts.

[cheddyrod]

Harvey's goal is to sell his book. Wind and tidal power will help but it is not the total answer. The government needs to invest in infrastructure.

[Krumbz2003]

I disagree with Harvey.

The compromise lies somewhere inbetween both of these fellas agendas.

[kyeot]

Another 50 billion dollar waste of money, and the most people can do is write there corrupt senator or congress man whos responcible for this.

No change will come from the government, its gotta coem from teh people. Until people take responciblity and assume power by going to the

ni4d*dot*us your money will be spent while all you can do its complain and beg for someone to do the right thing.

[maui509]

Nobody is talking about fusion, like Tokamac

[Weaseldog2001]

Tell us then, about the commercial fusion power plants and their current safety records.

How many can we build in the next couple of years?

Can we get them online faster than fission plants?

[Plutonwolf]

Fusion hasn't been perfected yet to the point where you get more energy out than you put in. It is the power of the future, but thanks to lack of funding, nothing is there yet. This would be a fantastic area to pour some funding, perhaps even to the tune of another Manhattan Project or Apollo Program. But thanks to the subtle hand of vested interests, it just languishes.

So many great ideas just sit by, idling, waiting for the national will to actually make them happen.

[Weaseldog2001]

I agree with you in principle. But I think it's too late now to focus our energy as citizens on this issue.

Fusion died (in my opinion), when the Republicans killed the Superconducting Super Collider project. The ongoing Republican war on science has cost in decades of lost opportunities.

Now the crisis is at our door. We have no choice but to work with what we have. It's too late to lament that we didn't prepare for this day.

[Plutonwolf]

The pain will be here, no matter what we do. But giving up isn't an option. Withdrawing from innovation will just insure the fact that this will continue to happen again and again to us till we are a footnote in history. What is needed is a return to hard core investment and dedication to pushing the envelope and if the Repugnantcons get in the way, they need to be crushed and brushed...away.

[Weaseldog2001]

The act of recognizing limits, is not giving up.

You probably decided long ago that you can't bring back the dead. Though there may have a been a time or two that you wanted to do this. Did you give up, or did you recognize that this is a limitation that you can't overcome?

Personal survival is about to become far more important to each of us, than trying to teach the pigs in Washington, to appreciate wisdom over pearls.

We are going the way of Argentina. Get prepared.

[Plutonwolf]

Excuse me sparky, but say what you will about cost over runs, but in truth, by your citing cost over runs as a counter argument you become as dishonest as Dick Cheney. Your constant protests, challenges and deliberate attempts at sabotage has driven up the costs all by themselves to the tune of over 80% of the price increase scummo.

[Weaseldog2001]

I remember here in Texas, that argument was used at Comanche Peak.

The plant was supposed to cost $800 million. It ended up costing over $11 billion, becuase they had to hire gaurds to watch the protestors.

Security Guards are very expensive.

the Federal Government ended up covering the costs of those $11 billion in security guards, because electrical rates would've been too high for citizens in Fort Worth to afford.

Still, electrical rates doubled when the plant went in.

[Weaseldog2001]

Current cost estimates put nuclear power at triple the cost of conventional sources.

That's the same as what Comanche Peak proved in 1990.

We made need nukes, but can you pay a tripled electrical bill?

[Weaseldog2001]

Of course, the government can just print that money and give it to the utility corporations in exchange for only doubling our rates...

[coverchenko]

they pay themselves off in a matter of years and your power and electric bills will go down drastically.

[Weaseldog2001]

That's a good story. But that has never happened. Utility bills have gone up, every time a commercial nuke plant has been built.

In my area utility bills doubled when the plant was put in. The US Gov bailed out the utility company, and the bills dropped to about 20% more than they were before the plant was switched on.

You tell good yarn though.

[Ackbar60]

that is complete bs. Nuclear is and still will be the cheapest source of energy. Why do you think Japan, Sweeden, France, England, Germany and a whole lot more countries all use it.

Why do you think we use it for our Navy? Because it is dirt cheap it is cheaper and more cost effective to run an Aircraft carrier off a nuclear reactor then diesel.

[Ackbar60]

11 billion is still cheaper then building a solar plant of equal power.