@jayfine01 Different manufacturer, different look. ALCO's are four stroke, so are GE's. EMD's are two stroke. The principle is the same. Diesel engine drives a generator or an alternator to provide electric current for traction motors to turn the wheels. You can Google all of this stuff.
@jayfine01 An ALCO is a locomotive that was built by or under license to the American Locomotive Company. The company no longer exists but there are still hundreds of their locomotives running outside of the USA
Thanks for the Alco Compartment shots.. The cab was reversed but it still brings back memories from the time on the Erie and Erie Lackawanna as a Locomotive Electrician. Theres nothing more exciting than walking thru the car body with the throttle in 8 under load out on the road.. Thanks ,, Bob PS.. 1040 RPM was Max.. Speeds are set in the cab ,High Voltage Compartment.
What is the displacement and how many cylinders does the engine have, I counted 6 on the side you showed but it looks like it's set out as a V shaped engine?
@Rocketboy1950 that's huge, converting it to Cubic centimetres I get 10946cc, that adds up to 131352cc for the whole engine, enormous. I suppose it should be they're pulling a lot of weight, how much fuel does this engine use per hour?
@trezza181 I haven't had much experience with ALCOS. We didn't use them on the railway I drove for back then and I only get on one very rarely now. I can tell you that a similar sized EMD unit would use about a gallon a mile on average. A similar size EMD would be a 16 cylinder by 567 cubic inches per cylinder.
@Rocketboy1950 The UK isn't flat at all. If anything I would say it is much hillier than most of the US. I'm no expert on American geography but, in Britain, the landscape changes constantly. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with your diesels otherwise i would't have typed Alco into the search engine but I do think the sound is much less animate than British locos, certainly not quieter. That was the wrong phrase to use.
And I have to say as somebody that has seen a few more of them than you have that four strokes sound pretty much the same anywhere and that your latest batch of two stroke EMD powered units sound pretty much the same in the UK as they do down under. The high revving types like 55's are unique but generally speaking like sounds alike. I've spent most of my working life on US based units and as a driver was given quite a few official cab rides in the UK.
@7822welshsteam I wouldn't have a clue what you know. I do know that I spent my life working on US style locomotives and have travelled extensively including the UK. We just disagree on a matter that is purely subjective.
I think it all depends on what kind of sound are you used to. I have some DVD's of British locomotives and I like their sound (specially English Electric engines). But I'm used to Alco and EMD sounds (here in Spain we have Alcos and EMD's since the 1950's) and I like them much more. I also have heard the GE sound and it looks pretty similar to Alco one. It is also very nice.
I think it all depends on what kind of sound are you used to. I have some DVD's of British locomotives and I like their sound (specially English Electric engines). But I'm used to Alco and EMD sounds (here in Spain we have Alcos and EMD's since the 1950's) and I like them much more. I also have heard the GE sound and it looks pretty similar to Alco one. Their sound is also very nice.
@7822welshsteam Just letting you know I don't believe you and after looking at the videos you suggested, the 55 is the only one that comes close to the american locomotive sound.Those british units have never pulled any REAL tonnage!!! over mountainous terrain, they couldn't handle it! Look at any SP video.Tehachapie, Donner,with THE BEST sounding diesels period pulling REAL tonnage!!!!
@hobbeekid A boring droning sound and the only reason they pull so much is because they have so many engines on one train. In the uk we never put more than 2 on and if you look up the tractive effort as I have you will see that they are pretty similar with american engines slightly higher. However, british engines have more horsepower. In 1955, we had diesels doing 100mph and from 1957 onwards, not even a single mainline freight engine has been built that can do under 75.
@7822welshsteam A boring droning sound?Did you turn up your speakers?LOL! well obviously you've never heard a lashup of 4 to 6 EMD sd 40/45s roar by in notch 8 up close,it vibrates the ground and everything around including you.They need sooo many engines on one train to drag all of that heavy tonnage over that moutainous territory. The UK is pretty flat huh?Subject those 37,52& 55class units to that kind of torture and they will fail in short order.
@7822welshsteam Now if you want to compare apples to oranges I can do that but it would be pointless because of the two different operating environments plus I have to go to work now but in parting all I have to say is that the typical second generation american locomotive has you beat in every aspect except speed.We don't need to go 100mph over here plus the track in alot of areas wouldn't take that.over here it's about how much you can get from a to b safely not how fast you get there.
@Raune88 The EMD that was 4 stroke was the 265 (H engine) built for the SD90MAC-H. THey were 6000 hp but they were all scrapped. The rest of EMD engines are 2 stroke. GE engines are 4 stroke.
@NSAaron What do you mean " they were ALL scrapped " ?? there were only a
few that were even sold to the RR's.......however, they're doing fine in the marine field. Personally though, I'm glad that the RR's decided to stick with the 2 cycles.
@TurbinePower69 Well the locomotives were scrapped because of something the EPA said or something. The prime movers were shipped to china since they have no EPA there. They still make the 265 H but i haven't seen any locomotives use them.
@NSAaron Not all were scrapped..some went to EMLX Leasing, some of UP's
units went to Metro East (Alorton, ILL) in 2008 / 2009....and were scrapped. NONE went to China....However, China did place an order for 300 JT56ACe's
utilizing the 16-265H....some were sent over in "kit" form to be assembled at their Dalia Locomotive Works facility......and IS able to meet the EPA Tier 2
requirements....but NOT the Tier 3B requirements at this time.
geez come one, everyone with an 94 escort can say he has a better car than someone that has an v8 oldtimer muscle but to some it's passion and undescribable sensations one may get. I digg old technology even more if it's outdating me and my stuff!
This 'junk' was designed and built before you were born Agnetha Benny Bjorn Anni or whoever you are. It was mass produced in large numbers and ran very successfully in many countries around the globe. Thanks for your input but you wouldn't have the first f### idea.
Yes I know it was designe and built before i was born, here in Abba country we use modern engines with cr-injection and SCR technologi. so compare to that Alco is JUNK!
No we dont, but I work for Fiat Powertrain Technologies and we build rail-packs for several train manufacturars. And we have alot of Bombardier trains with FPT railpacks here in sweden
But you avoid the issue. This is not today, this is 50 year old machinery and whilst not remotely comparable to todays technology it was as good as it got back then. It's not junk it's simply old. Would you describe a Volvo 164 as junk or out of date ? And I had a 264 for 17 years. It was certainly junk a few years after I gave it to my daughter.
So, Ollonsvin, you own each one of these cars? Gee, between Youtube and your garage, I bet it doesn't leave much time to get your back waxed, does it?
it confuses me sometimes, ive seen alco engine descriptions beginning with 2 and 5, I know the last 39 means 1939 design, but whats the other numbers represent?
Whats in those 3 plastic cans on the floor?....Engine oil?...and is this loco still in use?...As an unemployed marine engineer, i sure miss those diesels
The turkey pans were marked on "Alco" on 251's well after they exited the locomotive business. They were continued to be produced at Alburn, NY well into the late 1970's.
Wait a minute.... ALCo went out of business in 1969, but you claim this was built in 1971. In order for that to be true, it would have had to be built by MLW(Canadian ALCo) Although, I did notice the rocker covers were marked ALCo....
ALCO of the US went out of business in '69, but if you check out his other video for ALCOholics, you see that Goodwin down in Australia was a licensed builder of ALCOs, and kept going after the US company quit making locos...... I didn't take the time to look it all up, but perhaps that will be done another day....
I thought it was a boat...(all way through the film :)I like listening to this sound. I wish I would be smarter....amazing things people are able to invent and build :)
Fot most of us who don't have the opportunity of getting inside the guts of a loco, this is so excellent! Even more, when it's an ALCo! Thanks Mister Rocket!
man im not good at googleingLOl
jayfine01 1 year ago
one more thing what are GE& EMDS CUZ I MODEL RAIL ROAD and i here a bout it alot
jayfine01 1 year ago
@jayfine01 GE = General Electric EMD = Electro Motive Division ( of General Motors ) time to start Googling m'boy, no more questions.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
@Rocketboy1950
theres a bolt missing from generator to engine mount, look at 2.45 top of picture, where normally 3 bolts go there r only 2 and a hole!
More important is where the bolt went!!
tpvalley 11 months ago
@tpvalley In my experience if the maintainers think they can use less fixings then they do
Rocketboy1950 11 months ago
@Rocketboy1950
very bad practice, by doing that u place extra loading on verious parts, risk snapping bolts all sorts.
there was a reason it had 3!!
tpvalley 11 months ago
thank you but are thay the same as a normal loco the motor does not look the same
jayfine01 1 year ago
@jayfine01 Different manufacturer, different look. ALCO's are four stroke, so are GE's. EMD's are two stroke. The principle is the same. Diesel engine drives a generator or an alternator to provide electric current for traction motors to turn the wheels. You can Google all of this stuff.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
we had to lie to get me ancount lol so what is an alco
jayfine01 1 year ago
@jayfine01 An ALCO is a locomotive that was built by or under license to the American Locomotive Company. The company no longer exists but there are still hundreds of their locomotives running outside of the USA
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
hi im a little bad at train engines whats a alco im 9 yaers old plz respon
jayfine01 1 year ago
@jayfine01 It says that you are 35 on your channel.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
i really liked this, thanks for doing it, jd
jmehl77 1 year ago
Alco 251-12; Max RPM 1050.
DeserTBoB93535 1 year ago
Thanks for the Alco Compartment shots.. The cab was reversed but it still brings back memories from the time on the Erie and Erie Lackawanna as a Locomotive Electrician. Theres nothing more exciting than walking thru the car body with the throttle in 8 under load out on the road.. Thanks ,, Bob PS.. 1040 RPM was Max.. Speeds are set in the cab ,High Voltage Compartment.
ERIE1264 1 year ago
do these engines rev to 6500 rpm? would sound amazing on the limiter
kyberforce 1 year ago
@kyberforce These big fellas go to around a 1000. Things tend to get a bit messy with a 10 inch bore at speed.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
@Rocketboy1950 9 inch bore by 10 1/2 inch stroke.
thatsMrButtbreath2u 1 year ago
@thatsMrButtbreath2u Thanks I could only guess a ball park figure without looking it up.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
What is the displacement and how many cylinders does the engine have, I counted 6 on the side you showed but it looks like it's set out as a V shaped engine?
trezza181 1 year ago
@trezza181 V12 engine of approximately 668 cubic inches per cylinder
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
@Rocketboy1950 that's huge, converting it to Cubic centimetres I get 10946cc, that adds up to 131352cc for the whole engine, enormous. I suppose it should be they're pulling a lot of weight, how much fuel does this engine use per hour?
trezza181 1 year ago
@trezza181 I haven't had much experience with ALCOS. We didn't use them on the railway I drove for back then and I only get on one very rarely now. I can tell you that a similar sized EMD unit would use about a gallon a mile on average. A similar size EMD would be a 16 cylinder by 567 cubic inches per cylinder.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
@Rocketboy1950 The UK isn't flat at all. If anything I would say it is much hillier than most of the US. I'm no expert on American geography but, in Britain, the landscape changes constantly. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with your diesels otherwise i would't have typed Alco into the search engine but I do think the sound is much less animate than British locos, certainly not quieter. That was the wrong phrase to use.
7822welshsteam 1 year ago
@7822welshsteam How did we arrive at a topographical discussion comparing the US with the UK ?
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
@Rocketboy1950 You told me it was flat here and our engines couldn't cope with grades.
7822welshsteam 1 year ago
Sorry. It wasn't you who said it. I meant to reply to hobbeekid.
7822welshsteam 1 year ago
@trezza181 Diesel from ČKD has 163 ccm, it´s 6 zylinder.. this´s czech locomotive series 749 :))
vlakxD 1 year ago
good video
kubik9876 1 year ago
genfield switch ON. hmmm ok
gmspeedfreak 1 year ago
@gmspeedfreak and driver in cab with video camera so not really an issue.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
I have to say american diesel's don't sound as good as British ones.
If you don't believe me look for videos of classes 37, 52 and 55
7822welshsteam 2 years ago
And I have to say as somebody that has seen a few more of them than you have that four strokes sound pretty much the same anywhere and that your latest batch of two stroke EMD powered units sound pretty much the same in the UK as they do down under. The high revving types like 55's are unique but generally speaking like sounds alike. I've spent most of my working life on US based units and as a driver was given quite a few official cab rides in the UK.
Rocketboy1950 2 years ago
@Rocketboy1950 How do you know I don't know as much as you?
7822welshsteam 1 year ago
@7822welshsteam I wouldn't have a clue what you know. I do know that I spent my life working on US style locomotives and have travelled extensively including the UK. We just disagree on a matter that is purely subjective.
Rocketboy1950 1 year ago
I think it all depends on what kind of sound are you used to. I have some DVD's of British locomotives and I like their sound (specially English Electric engines). But I'm used to Alco and EMD sounds (here in Spain we have Alcos and EMD's since the 1950's) and I like them much more. I also have heard the GE sound and it looks pretty similar to Alco one. It is also very nice.
teles333 1 year ago
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I think it all depends on what kind of sound are you used to. I have some DVD's of British locomotives and I like their sound (specially English Electric engines). But I'm used to Alco and EMD sounds (here in Spain we have Alcos and EMD's since the 1950's) and I like them much more. I also have heard the GE sound and it looks pretty similar to Alco one. Their sound is also very nice.
teles333 1 year ago
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flippy941 1 year ago
@7822welshsteam Just letting you know I don't believe you and after looking at the videos you suggested, the 55 is the only one that comes close to the american locomotive sound.Those british units have never pulled any REAL tonnage!!! over mountainous terrain, they couldn't handle it! Look at any SP video.Tehachapie, Donner,with THE BEST sounding diesels period pulling REAL tonnage!!!!
hobbeekid 1 year ago
@hobbeekid A boring droning sound and the only reason they pull so much is because they have so many engines on one train. In the uk we never put more than 2 on and if you look up the tractive effort as I have you will see that they are pretty similar with american engines slightly higher. However, british engines have more horsepower. In 1955, we had diesels doing 100mph and from 1957 onwards, not even a single mainline freight engine has been built that can do under 75.
7822welshsteam 1 year ago
@7822welshsteam A boring droning sound?Did you turn up your speakers?LOL! well obviously you've never heard a lashup of 4 to 6 EMD sd 40/45s roar by in notch 8 up close,it vibrates the ground and everything around including you.They need sooo many engines on one train to drag all of that heavy tonnage over that moutainous territory. The UK is pretty flat huh?Subject those 37,52& 55class units to that kind of torture and they will fail in short order.
hobbeekid 1 year ago
@7822welshsteam Now if you want to compare apples to oranges I can do that but it would be pointless because of the two different operating environments plus I have to go to work now but in parting all I have to say is that the typical second generation american locomotive has you beat in every aspect except speed.We don't need to go 100mph over here plus the track in alot of areas wouldn't take that.over here it's about how much you can get from a to b safely not how fast you get there.
hobbeekid 1 year ago
@hobbeekid I agree completely (except sound!lol.)
7822welshsteam 1 year ago
@7822welshsteam Touche! agreed LOL! :~)
hobbeekid 1 year ago
I find it strange that the ALCOs smoke a lot more than the EMDs? Are they 4-stroke?
Raune88 2 years ago
They certainly are.
Rocketboy1950 2 years ago
@Raune88 The EMD that was 4 stroke was the 265 (H engine) built for the SD90MAC-H. THey were 6000 hp but they were all scrapped. The rest of EMD engines are 2 stroke. GE engines are 4 stroke.
NSAaron 1 year ago
@NSAaron What do you mean " they were ALL scrapped " ?? there were only a
few that were even sold to the RR's.......however, they're doing fine in the marine field. Personally though, I'm glad that the RR's decided to stick with the 2 cycles.
TurbinePower69 1 year ago
@TurbinePower69 Well the locomotives were scrapped because of something the EPA said or something. The prime movers were shipped to china since they have no EPA there. They still make the 265 H but i haven't seen any locomotives use them.
NSAaron 1 year ago
@NSAaron Not all were scrapped..some went to EMLX Leasing, some of UP's
units went to Metro East (Alorton, ILL) in 2008 / 2009....and were scrapped. NONE went to China....However, China did place an order for 300 JT56ACe's
utilizing the 16-265H....some were sent over in "kit" form to be assembled at their Dalia Locomotive Works facility......and IS able to meet the EPA Tier 2
requirements....but NOT the Tier 3B requirements at this time.
TurbinePower69 1 year ago
Great vid Rocketboy, thanks for sharing! (geez I just hate it when comments gets sooooooo off-topic)
EcoTrainSaintJean 2 years ago
Nice loco, I love that sound.
NSX86R 2 years ago
geez come one, everyone with an 94 escort can say he has a better car than someone that has an v8 oldtimer muscle but to some it's passion and undescribable sensations one may get. I digg old technology even more if it's outdating me and my stuff!
seasonedtoker 2 years ago
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Sutch a peace of junk!
ollonsvin 2 years ago
This 'junk' was designed and built before you were born Agnetha Benny Bjorn Anni or whoever you are. It was mass produced in large numbers and ran very successfully in many countries around the globe. Thanks for your input but you wouldn't have the first f### idea.
Rocketboy1950 2 years ago
Yes I know it was designe and built before i was born, here in Abba country we use modern engines with cr-injection and SCR technologi. so compare to that Alco is JUNK!
ollonsvin 2 years ago
You can't compare 50 year old technology to what you are building now and I don't see Sweden exporting locomotives. Just trucks, cars and buses.
Rocketboy1950 2 years ago
No we dont, but I work for Fiat Powertrain Technologies and we build rail-packs for several train manufacturars. And we have alot of Bombardier trains with FPT railpacks here in sweden
ollonsvin 2 years ago
But you avoid the issue. This is not today, this is 50 year old machinery and whilst not remotely comparable to todays technology it was as good as it got back then. It's not junk it's simply old. Would you describe a Volvo 164 as junk or out of date ? And I had a 264 for 17 years. It was certainly junk a few years after I gave it to my daughter.
Rocketboy1950 2 years ago
Yes...in "Abba" country you use "modern engines" today. What did you use 50 years ago?
Maybe this power is indeed "junk" today. But at one time this unit and those like it ran the world. As did steam did before.
Abba? Serious? How old is their music? 50 years? many would say crap then and crap now.
charlieb640 2 years ago
Nohab i Tollhättan tilverkede altså EMD-motorer på licens til danske DSB, bla.
Raune88 2 years ago
Such a stupid fuckin comment !
formidable38 2 years ago
Can you do me a favour and ask Fiat management if they ever intend on building cars for men?
rosefisted 2 years ago
I would say that Ferrari,maserati,alfa romeo and Lancia is a mans car??
ollonsvin 2 years ago
So, Ollonsvin, you own each one of these cars? Gee, between Youtube and your garage, I bet it doesn't leave much time to get your back waxed, does it?
rosefisted 2 years ago
I do have an alfa 159 Ti, and i´m sorry to disappoint you,I do not waxe my back
ollonsvin 2 years ago
Been a long time since I was in an ALCO engine room!! Thanks for the memories.
nssteve1979 2 years ago
i had no idea an alco was turbo charged, then why do they sound kinda odd? are they a 4 stroke?
trevorandy 2 years ago
They most certainly are
Rocketboy1950 2 years ago
what the lever for under the brake?
tpvalley 2 years ago
If you mean the one that is bent and raised up under the automatic brake handle then that is the locomotive independent brake handle.
Rocketboy1950 2 years ago
alco made turbo and non turbo 6 cylinder engines called 539 or 239 cant recall which.
tpvalley 2 years ago
539
choirboyfromhell1 2 years ago
it confuses me sometimes, ive seen alco engine descriptions beginning with 2 and 5, I know the last 39 means 1939 design, but whats the other numbers represent?
tpvalley 2 years ago
5= in line
2= Vee
I know, it doesn't make sense does it?
choirboyfromhell1 2 years ago
ahhh, thanks, I couldnt find that info anywhere.
tpvalley 2 years ago
beautiful music! 5*
aleu650 2 years ago
Whats in those 3 plastic cans on the floor?....Engine oil?...and is this loco still in use?...As an unemployed marine engineer, i sure miss those diesels
noddydiesel 2 years ago
without looking I would say its oil, these old things get through a bit
Rocketboy1950 2 years ago
Ah ok...i thought so...and you forgot to tell me weather they still use the Loco or is it going to be decomissioned?...
noddydiesel 2 years ago
In use, lots of relics still being pressed in in to service in Australia
Rocketboy1950 2 years ago
how many cylinders?
WARD5KUSTOMZ 2 years ago
twelve
Rocketboy1950 2 years ago
The turkey pans were marked on "Alco" on 251's well after they exited the locomotive business. They were continued to be produced at Alburn, NY well into the late 1970's.
choirboyfromhell1 2 years ago
I had no idea of the Austrailian builder. That explains the rocker covers. Next time I'll do more research before commenting.
Brush37WFD 2 years ago
Wait a minute.... ALCo went out of business in 1969, but you claim this was built in 1971. In order for that to be true, it would have had to be built by MLW(Canadian ALCo) Although, I did notice the rocker covers were marked ALCo....
Brush37WFD 2 years ago
So the correct answer is.................
Rocketboy1950 2 years ago
ALCO of the US went out of business in '69, but if you check out his other video for ALCOholics, you see that Goodwin down in Australia was a licensed builder of ALCOs, and kept going after the US company quit making locos...... I didn't take the time to look it all up, but perhaps that will be done another day....
BudmanPackfan 2 years ago
2:29 Those fuel jerk pump covers with the words "ALCO" are what we call "Turkey Pans".
choirboyfromhell1 3 years ago
can't beat that alco sound can ya?
anvil357 3 years ago
I thought it was a boat...(all way through the film :)I like listening to this sound. I wish I would be smarter....amazing things people are able to invent and build :)
belugavision 3 years ago
love it rocketboy a alco freight out of the silverton i think 442s11 the yellowish locomotive stand to be corrected love the guts of these machines
coewee 3 years ago
Fot most of us who don't have the opportunity of getting inside the guts of a loco, this is so excellent! Even more, when it's an ALCo! Thanks Mister Rocket!
Bicot65 3 years ago
Alco is strong one meant powerful train!
FlyBikes089 3 years ago
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing.
NR54trailerail 3 years ago
That's some awesome stuff mate.
RHWiRED 3 years ago