Muslim and EDL member debate 'The Future of English Identity'

[Zionutsy]

Talking to that EDL guy is like talking to a lobotomised baboon.

[weedyak]

im pakistani uk born i dont want sharia law

[QuranTafseer]

@weedyak Subhanallah, brother no one is saying the UK should adopt Islamic law

i would suggest you read the Quran inshallah.

[weedyak]

@QuranTafseer you want sharia law

[QuranTafseer]

@weedyak Every Muslim wants to live under "Shariah" the righteous Path, Islam and shariah are one and the same, but no where in the history of Islam has a Muslim minority forced shariah on the Masses, during the time of the Khalif's they never forced "ISLAMIC" law on anyone i.e. the christians and jews had their own court system even in "spain" when the khalifa was ruling the jews and christians had their own court systems.

[DoobyStew]

I'm desperately intrigued to watch this but the sound problems are grating through my nerves :S

[QuranTafseer]

This Debate took place when Bill Baker was Loved by the EDL the reality is Bill is not an extreamist, in the EDL sense, well all you have to do is go on the EDL website. How silly they accuse Rapists of being Muslim? Whilst 1 in 4 women have experienced rape or attempted rape in the UK, with the EDL mentality we can assume that Christian rapists have raped 1 out of every 4 women in the UK? Since Most Brits state they are Christian according to the UK Census. [Not that i would agree]

[Syphonaptera]

OMG , i read some comments and I hope they are NOT from EDL supporters, cos the value of intelligence presented is WAY below that of a baboon!! OMG, IF so , one cliché is proven, nationalists and neo-nazi;s ARE the dumbest on earth next to mentally disabled persons......

[herbzie85]

good to see the muslim presenter was actually fair towards both parties and didnt become 1 sided like so many do

[Syphonaptera]

The English identity?? Haaahahaahaahah OMG hilarious....Can someone explain to me what that identity means?

"without further a jew ..eh..adue .."...funny slip of the tongue...

[sycamoreok]

@Syphonaptera the opposite of islamic identity

[Syphonaptera]

@sycamoreok ...and so , the EDL has no problems with Judaism and jews that are the opposite of the english "identity"? Buddhism and Buddhists (Asians) that are the opposite of the english "identity"? Roman-Catholics that are the opposite of the english "WASP-identity" ? Hindu? SIkh's? OR...are THESE NON Muslim identities the same as your so called english identitiy?? haaha, you are a laugh.The era Britain had NON whites imported as slaves was a black page in your history I guess.

[sycamoreok]

@Syphonaptera which of the groups you mentioned are in the streets spewing hate?

A laugh? what does slavery have to do with the issues of today?

[Syphonaptera]

@sycamoreok The fact that at the first moment when the first slaves were imported into britain, the so called british "identity"already lost all of it's facets....but I think you cannot comprehend this....

[sycamoreok]

@Syphonaptera you little prick i have studied the issue of european history/migration extensively.in a respected university. earning a degree. i can guarantee you that i have studied more books than you will ever see.........can you comprehend that? dont talk down to me like i am an uneducated hick

[Syphonaptera]

@sycamoreok IF you are "educated" then it was done even worst as in america. YOU know NOTHING. SO , the so called "English identity" is only threatened by people living in Britain that spew hate? IF there are non Christians "spewing hate" against Christians they have a just reason for this. You cannot comprehend this also ey...BTW, what University did you attend? For the record, you claim the "english identity"is only threatened by "hate spewing" non-christian religions?

[wellardme]

The EDL guy is right about education. Leave faith out of schools otherwise kids end up being indoctrinated and not educated. Furthermore, let the kids mingle with others from various religious backgrounds. Faith schools DO create social segregation!

[wellardme]

Interesting debate. I am a white Christian Brit. I have one advantage over many. I have lived abroad for years and can see the issues back home from a different and more objective perspective. I don't blame immigrants. I blame us Brits. Our education is awful, we are work-shy, we think too highly of ourselves... We need workers/people (immigrants) to fill these gaps.

[LachoDroogie]

ISLAM IS NOT A RACE, IT IS A RELIGION! YOU ARE NOT A RACIST FOR OPPOSING ISLAM! This guy is a fucking idiot!

[DuckingNDiving]

@QuranTafseer why did the true God of the heavens humiliate your muhammadian allahs house of worship and most sacred grounds in 1941 kaaba flood,the whole place was submerged under rain and sewer waters?also why are there so many freak accidents known as the hajj disasters that kill 1000s of muslim pilgrims,they get burnt to death and crushed,it seem muhammadian allah care not for his rock idolators

[QuranTafseer]

@DuckingNDiving lol the logic is silly? the Kaaba has been rebuilt many times? destroying and rebuilding the kaaba is not a point to cry or despair over there is a wisdom behind everyting, whilst on the other hand our christian brothers want us to believe that God had a "son" which he murdered/killed or that God came down and killed himself? And then sadly the same christians have anti-semetic beliefs? If God killed himself then why hates the jews for trying to kill him? thats another issue,

[DuckingNDiving]

@QuranTafseer if you read sura 4:157 it clearly says that muhammadian allah decieved the early christians and folowers of Jesus into believing jesus was killed,therefore for you to mock christian beliefs that come from some apparent elaborate hoax by your allah goes to show me how pathetic your excuse is,you believe that adam was made frm mud and 30 meters tall and think we can from adams incestous children then you mock evolution,you are ridiculous;)

[QuranTafseer]

This Debate took place when Bill Baker was Loved by the EDL the reality is Bill is not an extreamist, in the EDL sense, well all you have to do is go on the EDL website. How silly they accuse Rapists of being Muslim? Whilst 1 in 4 women have experienced rape or attempted rape in the UK, with the EDL mentality we can assume that Christian rapists have raped 1 out of every 4 women in the UK? Since Most Brits state they are Christian according to the UK Census. [Not that i would agree]

[DuckingNDiving]

@QuranTafseer everybody knows that ants/bees can communicate by shaking their asses,but the quran says that ants can speak and even quotes their sentences,they even recognized king solomon and spoke his name,even though he was a stranger in their lands,so please tell me do ants in muslim lands still talk about political leaders?do you think they are pro gaddaffi or do they support the rebels?do you think they might be marching on damascus soon looking for better civil rights?crazy muslims LOL

[QuranTafseer]

@DuckingNDiving You don't believe in God you believe we popped out of nothing so who is the fool? sadly your God is Dr Dawkins since you would rather worship him and his views than to use your own mind : )

take care,

[DuckingNDiving]

@QuranTafseer i never said i don't belive in a God did i?however i do not believe in muhammadian allah,1941 kaaba flood photographs show the humiliation of muhammadian allahs most sacred grounds by the true God of the heavens,also it is clear that you believe in talking ants,if they can speak then why do they not bow 5 times daily to a rock in mecca?also why do they never run back and hide i their habitations when i trod on them?you have limited intellect,go talk to an ant LOL

[ScottishCaledonian]

@QuranTafseer Why are you living in the UK, in the land of Kuffar ? Why are you Muslims so utterly desperate to leave Islamic societies and come and live in the West ?

Why do you beg for asylum and cling to the underside of trucks to come to Europe ?

[QuranTafseer]

@ScottishCaledonian Personally i believe that the whole of afghanistan and Iraq should come to England, why because we are there killing their son's and daughters and stealing their "gold" OIL! and for political gains.

[ScottishCaledonian]

@QuranTafseer Afghanistan does not have oil reserves. Are you thick ?

[Syphonaptera]

@ScottishCaledonian Hey ASSHOLE, get out of that cave and visit the developed world please, Afghanistan's resources make it the richest mining region on earth , it has $1 trillion of untapped minerals. THATS why we illegally invaded it. Whatch some news on that thing the developed-people call TV. To what kind of unevolutioned breed of monkeys do you belong actually?

[ScottishCaledonian]

@Syphonaptera The war in Afghanistan has cost the west over1.5 trillion dollars. So why would they pay that money to make a loss ?

Tell me that ?

[ScottishCaledonian]

@QuranTafseer Prove to me the oil is being stolen from Iraq ?

[QuranTafseer]

@ScottishCaledonian Thats like trying to prove to a person that they have a brain!

so there is no need, you either see it or you don't

when did we go and fight poverty? when did we send troops to africa to deal with all the troubles there?

[ScottishCaledonian]

@QuranTafseer If Americand and Britain is their for oil then why have the British and Americans already exited iraq ?

[Syphonaptera]

@ScottishCaledonian IDIOT, they did NOT exit Iraq , you really THINK there is not a single presence of americans or brits in Iraq? You are DUMB! america and britain installed their puppets in the Iraqy government and installed american and britain multi-nationals to exploit the Iraqi resources....I just don;t believe you are SO stupid you actually believe what you type here!!

[Syphonaptera]

@ScottishCaledonian simple , america and Europe illegally invaded Iraq , installed their puppets in the Iraqy government and installed american and britain multi-nationals to exploit the Iraqi resources. Why don;t you have the guts to search on the Internet WHAT countries have the biggest oil contracts and biggest companies in Iraq now? Lame dumb ass.

[ScottishCaledonian]

@Syphonaptera How can it be a puppet government if they were voted for democratically by the Iraqi Population ? 

[DuckingNDiving]

what an idiot convert he believes that ants talk about political leaders sura 27:18,poor fool hasn't seen the 1941 kaaba flood photographs

[exmoagogo]

Anyone who converts to Islam is mentally ill.

[londonladukz]

hmm is muslim or islam a race, no it isnt it is a doctrination, race is genetic, islam is taught from birth, stop saying it is racism against muslims when muslims are not a race

[94mbu]

@londonladukz it's discrimination then.

[kalevra01]

edl IS A RACIST PARTY.

[joshthejosh1]

@kalevra01

They are not a party, sums up your intelligence really, you inferior person.

[nmfnmompso]

Bill Baker - who makes comments like "the sooner we start killing Muslims the better", condones arson attacks on mosques and has contacts with neo-nazis, including supplying information on EDL's opponents to the neo-nazi site Redwatch. Fat hypocritical basterd. And yes, he has been welcomed in the EDL and seen on several EDL demos. The EDL have numerous characters like Baker amongst thier ranks, including EDL leadership member Pat Whitehouse who wants all Muslims deported.

[significantlycynical]

KEEP ENGLAND'S PERSONALITY AS IS - OR GO LIVE ELSEWHERE

[QuranTafseer]

This Debate took place when Bill Baker was Loved by the EDL the reality is Bill is not an extreamist, in the EDL sense of the word, well all you have to do is go on the EDL website. How silly they accuse Rapists of being Muslim? Whilst 1 in 4 women have experienced rape or attempted rape in the UK, with the EDL mentality we can assume that Christian rapists have raped 1 out of every 4 women in the UK? Since Most Brits state they are Christian according to the UK Census. [Not that i would agree]

[QuranTafseer]

Bill Baker - Experienced English Nationalist Activist, organizer of the Harrow Mosque demonstration, former member of the English Democrat party, now member of the English Defence Leauge (EDL) - [Bill is not an official spokesman for the EDL]. Debate May 2010

[bluepnic]

He is not EDL so kind of makes this a waste of time, sad really because I was hoping for a real debate

[naz2507]

Bill Baker is a dick and does not represent the EDL he is not a welcome member of the EDL he is a spokesperson for the ENA.

[weegiebam]

@naz2507 being a dick should surely make him 100% EDL. I've never met or seen an EDL member who wasn't a dick, they are all ignorant scum.

[motorvating]

@weegiebam

That is a very general statement, thus it is invalid. Within every community and every organisation their are good and bad, so how on earth can you call them racist scum? The fact of the matter is, as recent polls show, most Brits would vote for a right wing, anti immigration party if they renounce violence, so that must mean over 30,000.000 Brits are scum? and hate you????

[joshthejosh1]

@weegiebam

Keep on trying to simply brand us as ignorant.. just makes people more angry, attitudes like this is why the EDL are growing and continues to do so.