Those that want to think that bob carter is a reliable source of information they should review his ties to corporate vested interests. He smells like vested interests to the critical thinkers.
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"Carter was one of the founding members of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition, and a member of the industry-funded Institute of Public Affairs which also founded the Australian Environment Foundation. He is also a science adviser to the Science and Public Policy Institute."
As for bob carter, he has ties to corporate carbon industries and has never completed a study on how humans are warming the planet. I asked him. With a little research his history is telling. One of the best sites for a summary is good old Wikipedia. Here's an article that also helps.
Google: Refuting claims that climate forecasts are all up in the air
It is sad and immoral that the vested corporate interests are willing to sacrifice future generations for business-as-usual.
carter has NEVER completed a study of how/if humans affect climate. I asked. He studies ANCIENT climates using marine sediment. He's a marine geologist.
So, in the face of have NO respected studies or scientific institutions to support then naysaying position maybe you deniers should get a grip on reality, try some critical thinking. But maybe, if there's a spark, start with learning. Here's ONE of many examples of recent study.
Google: Island-scale study reveals climate-change effects
@ReduceGHGs What's important from those ancient studies is the fact that the earth's temperature has been much higher in the past, CO2 much higher but yet, life survived. The earth didn't break free of its orbit and go tumbling into the sun as a result (credit to historian Tom Woods for that line). I couldn't possibly be less concerned about this supposed horrific warming after seeing that our planet has in fact been there before and much hotter. We'll make it in fine shape.
The climate sciences are very complex. It takes many years of education, training, and experience to gain a sufficient grasp of them. I recommend leaving the analysis to the credible experts (bob carter is not one of them.) Try NASA, NAS, AAAS, NCAR, AGU, ...
Sure, there have been times when temps were warmer and others when it was colder. So what?
Our infrastructures take advantage of CURRENT conditions. Studies show that warming temps degrade habitability for humans.
@ReduceGHGs I suspect Carter isn't on your list of credible experts because he doesn't tell you what you want to hear - human nature, I guess. Whether he has some divine right to speak on the subject or not, he raises some valid points - primarily the lack of context in the public debate. We're lead to believe that it's never been this warm before and we're heading into completely uncharted territory. Not true. Much cheaper to adjust infrastructure than impoverish and retard all humanity.
bob carter isn't on my list of credible experts because he has industry ties AND he has no study to back up what he's been saying. Review his history on Wikipedia.
"...one of the founding members[9] of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition, and a member[10] of the industry-funded[11] Institute of Public Affairs which also founded the Australian Environment Foundation. He is also a science adviser to the Science and Public Policy Institute."
I know of no one that says it has never been as warm as it is now. Not only is this misleading it oversimplifies the problem. Read what the credible, unbiased experts have been saying for years.
Google: Scientific Opinion on Climate Change Wikipedia
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And no, Wiki is not a source. It does accurately provide position statements from many of our respected scientific institutions. They ALL say about the same thing. Why is that? A global 30+ year conspiracy?
@ReduceGHGs Seriously dude, what do you have from defending your position, that global warming is caused or can be influenced by humans? What kind of advantage does it provide to you?
Every respected scientific institution that considered the issue concluded that we humans are warming the planet. The science is solid but vested interests would like you to think otherwise.
At what point in time and which government agency are you referring to? The head of NASA, a corporate talking head, under the w/cheney admin said that human weren't warming the planet. I asked him if he had a study to back that up. He said no. The Obama administration accepts the science and rejects the vested interest propaganda to the contrary.
As for proof, review what ALL the respected scientific institutions have been saying. That's proof enough for we laymen, dude.
@ReduceGHGs One question: Even if Global Warming was caused by man, which is obviously highly unlikely, what would be so bad about it and why do you care in a sense to stop global warming?
Clearly you lack a good deal of information. First of all, what makes you think its unlikely? What are your souces of scientific information? If you had more of the necessary info it would be clear that among those that actively study the issue, there is no credible doubt.
GW negatively affects habitability. I spread the word because I care. Here's where you can learn something about it.
Google: Climate Change Impacts & Threats | The Nature Conservancy
@ReduceGHGs I don't lack any information at all. Furthermore none of those Chlimate Change impacts will ever occur. Even if I gather certain scientific information there still remains the question how trustworthy it really is. I don't trust anything that comes from IPCC studies or is related to the IPCC or to sources that are related to the IPCC.
@ReduceGHGs Youre obviously just one of those environmentalists trying to make the world better to feel better about yourself or you work for the gonvernment or something. You want me to give you trustworty sources? No chance, cause there are no.
I hate environemntalists, they try to in intervene regulatory in civil life and rights, in the economy, politics and everything that affects the individual freedom. Theyre the cancer of the 21st century.
@RancheroBFT There's no such thing as a trustworthy source? What tha? Have you no faith in you fellow man?
Do you really hate those that want to protect the only habitat our future generations will have to sustain them?
Sadly, I think you just lack information. Try reading why it's important for humans live sustainably. Consider the long-term consequences of the alternatives. Or maybe you think it's your right to TAKE from our future generations? No, you haven't thought it through.
@ReduceGHGs Why should I care about the future? We have enough important probs in the present to deal with.
I only hate those that want to restrict my life and freedom because of some CO2 emissions, that have no major impact on climate at all. I really wonder what makes you give a shit about it.
@RancheroBFT Why care about the future? Here's why. Many years from now when you are less than a memory all that will remain of you will be our future generations. So perhaps considering it a matter of self-preservation is reasonable. You now have the freedom to TAKE a healthy habitat from those that will need it. Do you have that right? SHOULD you have that right? Caring for others as well as yourself is at the core of our existence. Loosing sight of that is self-destructive.
@DragonsAutumn Who care what Al Gore is into. He isn't a scientist and has come up with NO climate predictions. None! All he has done is spread the word about what the most respected scientific studies have determined. Want the links? bob carter on the other hand passes himself off as an expert. He isn't. He has no studies that relate to how humans have or have not affected climate, he has vested interest ties, and his field is MARINE GEOLOGY, specifically, the study of ANCIENT climates.
@DragonsAutumn Of course there's profit to be made, that's capitalism. The question is what do you believe about the core issue and how credible, how reliable is the evidence? It is a fact that every one of our respected scientific institutions concluded that we humans are warming the planet and that the consequences are not good. So bob carter is dead wrong and many, many studies prove it. And yes, it is capitalism (the profit motive) that is the most effective tool to change our behaviors.
@DragonsAutumn What tha? NASA concurs that we are warming the planet! Where have you been?
Here's what NASA says.
"...the current global warming trend is human expansion of the "greenhouse effect" -- warming that results when the atmosphere traps heat radiating from Earth toward space."
Have you EVER read a book about it? Try one by NASA's Jim Hansen... Storms Of My Grandchildren.
Those that want to think that bob carter is a reliable source of information they should review his ties to corporate vested interests. He smells like vested interests to the critical thinkers.
.
"Carter was one of the founding members of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition, and a member of the industry-funded Institute of Public Affairs which also founded the Australian Environment Foundation. He is also a science adviser to the Science and Public Policy Institute."
ReduceGHGs 8 months ago
As for bob carter, he has ties to corporate carbon industries and has never completed a study on how humans are warming the planet. I asked him. With a little research his history is telling. One of the best sites for a summary is good old Wikipedia. Here's an article that also helps.
Google: Refuting claims that climate forecasts are all up in the air
It is sad and immoral that the vested corporate interests are willing to sacrifice future generations for business-as-usual.
ReduceGHGs 10 months ago
carter has NEVER completed a study of how/if humans affect climate. I asked. He studies ANCIENT climates using marine sediment. He's a marine geologist.
So, in the face of have NO respected studies or scientific institutions to support then naysaying position maybe you deniers should get a grip on reality, try some critical thinking. But maybe, if there's a spark, start with learning. Here's ONE of many examples of recent study.
Google: Island-scale study reveals climate-change effects
ReduceGHGs 1 year ago
@ReduceGHGs What's important from those ancient studies is the fact that the earth's temperature has been much higher in the past, CO2 much higher but yet, life survived. The earth didn't break free of its orbit and go tumbling into the sun as a result (credit to historian Tom Woods for that line). I couldn't possibly be less concerned about this supposed horrific warming after seeing that our planet has in fact been there before and much hotter. We'll make it in fine shape.
hockeymaverick33 10 months ago
@hockeymaverick33 .
The climate sciences are very complex. It takes many years of education, training, and experience to gain a sufficient grasp of them. I recommend leaving the analysis to the credible experts (bob carter is not one of them.) Try NASA, NAS, AAAS, NCAR, AGU, ...
Sure, there have been times when temps were warmer and others when it was colder. So what?
Our infrastructures take advantage of CURRENT conditions. Studies show that warming temps degrade habitability for humans.
ReduceGHGs 10 months ago
@ReduceGHGs I suspect Carter isn't on your list of credible experts because he doesn't tell you what you want to hear - human nature, I guess. Whether he has some divine right to speak on the subject or not, he raises some valid points - primarily the lack of context in the public debate. We're lead to believe that it's never been this warm before and we're heading into completely uncharted territory. Not true. Much cheaper to adjust infrastructure than impoverish and retard all humanity.
hockeymaverick33 10 months ago
@hockeymaverick33 .
bob carter isn't on my list of credible experts because he has industry ties AND he has no study to back up what he's been saying. Review his history on Wikipedia.
"...one of the founding members[9] of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition, and a member[10] of the industry-funded[11] Institute of Public Affairs which also founded the Australian Environment Foundation. He is also a science adviser to the Science and Public Policy Institute."
ReduceGHGs 10 months ago
@hockeymaverick33 .
I know of no one that says it has never been as warm as it is now. Not only is this misleading it oversimplifies the problem. Read what the credible, unbiased experts have been saying for years.
Google: Scientific Opinion on Climate Change Wikipedia
.
And no, Wiki is not a source. It does accurately provide position statements from many of our respected scientific institutions. They ALL say about the same thing. Why is that? A global 30+ year conspiracy?
ReduceGHGs 10 months ago
@ReduceGHGs Seriously dude, what do you have from defending your position, that global warming is caused or can be influenced by humans? What kind of advantage does it provide to you?
RancheroBFT 8 months ago
@RancheroBFT .
Every respected scientific institution that considered the issue concluded that we humans are warming the planet. The science is solid but vested interests would like you to think otherwise.
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Google: The Denial Machine Video
ReduceGHGs 8 months ago
@ReduceGHGs So youre saying the fact that the US government has denied global warming does prove its existence? You can't be serious dude.
RancheroBFT 8 months ago
@RancheroBFT .
At what point in time and which government agency are you referring to? The head of NASA, a corporate talking head, under the w/cheney admin said that human weren't warming the planet. I asked him if he had a study to back that up. He said no. The Obama administration accepts the science and rejects the vested interest propaganda to the contrary.
As for proof, review what ALL the respected scientific institutions have been saying. That's proof enough for we laymen, dude.
ReduceGHGs 8 months ago
@ReduceGHGs One question: Even if Global Warming was caused by man, which is obviously highly unlikely, what would be so bad about it and why do you care in a sense to stop global warming?
RancheroBFT 8 months ago
@RancheroBFT .
Clearly you lack a good deal of information. First of all, what makes you think its unlikely? What are your souces of scientific information? If you had more of the necessary info it would be clear that among those that actively study the issue, there is no credible doubt.
GW negatively affects habitability. I spread the word because I care. Here's where you can learn something about it.
Google: Climate Change Impacts & Threats | The Nature Conservancy
also... UCSUSA(dot)org
ReduceGHGs 8 months ago
@ReduceGHGs I don't lack any information at all. Furthermore none of those Chlimate Change impacts will ever occur. Even if I gather certain scientific information there still remains the question how trustworthy it really is. I don't trust anything that comes from IPCC studies or is related to the IPCC or to sources that are related to the IPCC.
Check this: watch?v=UNRW5qMRnIU
And you'll know what I mean
RancheroBFT 8 months ago
@RancheroBFT None of the impacts will occur? Great! Where is the study that supports that or do you rly on just you baseless belief?
I'll not chase your sources if they are not respected in the scientific community. The gullible crave that sort of thing, I don't.
ReduceGHGs 8 months ago
@ReduceGHGs Youre obviously just one of those environmentalists trying to make the world better to feel better about yourself or you work for the gonvernment or something. You want me to give you trustworty sources? No chance, cause there are no.
I hate environemntalists, they try to in intervene regulatory in civil life and rights, in the economy, politics and everything that affects the individual freedom. Theyre the cancer of the 21st century.
RancheroBFT 8 months ago
@RancheroBFT There's no such thing as a trustworthy source? What tha? Have you no faith in you fellow man?
Do you really hate those that want to protect the only habitat our future generations will have to sustain them?
Sadly, I think you just lack information. Try reading why it's important for humans live sustainably. Consider the long-term consequences of the alternatives. Or maybe you think it's your right to TAKE from our future generations? No, you haven't thought it through.
ReduceGHGs 8 months ago
@ReduceGHGs Why should I care about the future? We have enough important probs in the present to deal with.
I only hate those that want to restrict my life and freedom because of some CO2 emissions, that have no major impact on climate at all. I really wonder what makes you give a shit about it.
RancheroBFT 8 months ago
@RancheroBFT Why care about the future? Here's why. Many years from now when you are less than a memory all that will remain of you will be our future generations. So perhaps considering it a matter of self-preservation is reasonable. You now have the freedom to TAKE a healthy habitat from those that will need it. Do you have that right? SHOULD you have that right? Caring for others as well as yourself is at the core of our existence. Loosing sight of that is self-destructive.
ReduceGHGs 8 months ago
@ReduceGHGs There is no proof co2 is anything except a very minor trace gas except in computer models.
busguy100 7 months ago
@busguy100 .
What you mean is that there is no proof you will accept. Computer models are helpful but are NOT the foundation of the research.
And sorry, your opinion without credible source support is a baseless belief. Where's your evidence?
ReduceGHGs 7 months ago
@ReduceGHGs Al Gore has some profitable ties of his own.
DragonsAutumn 6 months ago
@DragonsAutumn Who care what Al Gore is into. He isn't a scientist and has come up with NO climate predictions. None! All he has done is spread the word about what the most respected scientific studies have determined. Want the links? bob carter on the other hand passes himself off as an expert. He isn't. He has no studies that relate to how humans have or have not affected climate, he has vested interest ties, and his field is MARINE GEOLOGY, specifically, the study of ANCIENT climates.
ReduceGHGs 6 months ago
@ReduceGHGs The point is there's profit being for and against global warming.
DragonsAutumn 6 months ago
@DragonsAutumn Of course there's profit to be made, that's capitalism. The question is what do you believe about the core issue and how credible, how reliable is the evidence? It is a fact that every one of our respected scientific institutions concluded that we humans are warming the planet and that the consequences are not good. So bob carter is dead wrong and many, many studies prove it. And yes, it is capitalism (the profit motive) that is the most effective tool to change our behaviors.
ReduceGHGs 6 months ago
@ReduceGHGs All the way up until NASA blew a hole into the notion.
DragonsAutumn 6 months ago
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@DragonsAutumn What tha? NASA concurs that we are warming the planet! Where have you been?
Here's what NASA says.
"...the current global warming trend is human expansion of the "greenhouse effect" -- warming that results when the atmosphere traps heat radiating from Earth toward space."
Have you EVER read a book about it? Try one by NASA's Jim Hansen... Storms Of My Grandchildren.
ReduceGHGs 6 months ago
And the politics... There are political interests behind AGW theory as well as old fashioned corruption (the UEA in particular)
Wien1938 1 year ago 2
If it's not clear why they cook some data and "research"
follow the money........
grraadd 1 year ago 2