Had me worried with his adult-ish "Absolutely"s, but his discussion of Mending Wall was interesting and utterly human and intelligent.
Cenk's aptitude is in not politics and current events and headlines, although he toils away painfully at it. If he could control his temper, dial down the ego, and improve his listening and interactive skills he'd be a fine teacher of literature.
madison and jefferson were democratic-republican party which has nothing to do with either of the parties today and alexander hamilton was a federalist which is a party that died out after the hartford convention. These guys are idiots. BTW Jefferson believed in strict construction of the constitution which prooves jefferson was not liberal and hamilton wanted a loose construction of the constitution which proves he is not a conservative
madison and jefferson were democratic-republican party which has nothing to do with either of the parties today and alexander hamilton was a federalist which is a party that died out after the hartford convention. These guys are idiots
@aaasssfffdddiii Glad you asked them. I was about to call Ben Franklin but could not find his number :) Since back then socialist welfare did not exist... how can you know what they would say about it? I do know that they where men of the people and wanted the best for them... and welfare, healthcare, social justice all seem very pro-people. Well its not like I am going to change your mind on this anyway. Cheers!
@Daelyas "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer"
@Daelyas That was a quote from Ben Franklin (see my last quote). He was obviously against welfare. All of founders were pro-free market. I can find you numerous quotes from all of them warning against progressivism and big government. You are obviously not very bright.
Welfare, health care, and social justice lead to less freedom, lower standard of living, and debt. I didn''t know those things were pro-people. You are literally too stupid for words.
@aaasssfffdddiii "You are literally too stupid for words." Thats great. Sorry to have wasted your time with my ignorance. I am sooooooo sorry. You know.... I did not insult you in my comment, and still the first thing I get back is stuff like this. You used examples for your opinion that are always used and are not based on any facts other than "I observed it that way" (Even if it was franklin). And please don't forget that you can not compare the world 300 years ago with now.
@aaasssfffdddiii And to be honest with you... who gives a f*** what the founding fathers said? They are dead. Its so typical that some people make them into "god figures" whos words are absolute. The founding fathers did not know socialism because it did not exist and still I here some people saying that the foundling fathers hated socialism... wtf? They where people (smart yes- but people), they are dead, and even their ideas have got to change over time. Its called "evolution"
@Daelyas You know nothing. Socialism did exist when they were around, it just wasn't called socialism. Many people supported no private property, redistribution of wealth, etc. The founders wrote the constitution to insure this did not come to fruition. It absolutely matters what they said. They wrote the document that set the groundwork for the first free country. I know you leftists would love to ignore what they said to push your anti-freedom progressive agenda through.
@aaasssfffdddiii Run along now and play ;) You are 100% right - I am wrong - Helping people is bad - republicans are great - socialism is evil - progressives are evil - you are very smart - you are awsome - God loves you - God hates me... anything else? No? Well anyway. I get the message. If you don't want the facts and the truth... Im not gonna force you. I live in socialist country and make more money than a good friend of mine in america (same job) so I give a s*** about your views ;) Cheers
@rbouverat Netherlands. And I work as maritime officer on a cargo ship. Payment is about 4300 euro (+/- depending on route) as opposed to 3800 dollars that most american companys pay my rank. Plus I have very good public healthcare almost for free. I pay about 42% on everything a month (taxes, apartment, insurance etc.) and that is more than in america... but it is worth every cent. And I get 4 months of vacation in a country where pot is legal... can it get better? :D (age 27)
@Daelyas Ya I live in Canada we have decriminalized marijuana but its illegal , we have an exeptional educational system but I believe more reforms should be made untill were more like you guys
@Daelyas Your goverment follows "social-conservatism" wich is good, but socialism in general is insane and politicaly they are insane too, example Job Cohen is a fucking douchebag and also Balkanende what a moron, he ruined your country till 2010. Holland is doing good now but Rutte is kinda of a slob with hes EU wet dream, the guy is naive. Hans Hillen and the rest of the left wing cunts and the CDA in that parliament are asshole's. And btw paying 150 euro's every month for insurence,is insane.
@aaasssfffdddiii oh and stop insulting people. It destroys your own (so called) arguments by leting you seem childish and simple ... one second thought... well I guess it does not matter if you insult anyone :D You are going to comment again anyway... I will not write back because I have to finish my evil socialist plot to take over your life... I hope you understand that such a thing takes its time :D Muhahaha! (oh brother... really??? you are scared of socialists? weak dude... weak...)
Our Forefathers were Libs!? Ya, if you're a fucking Canadian! The US's forefathers were MEN, willing to fight (yes; as in WAR) to separate from (yes, not conform to) the standard European big-government model of the day. They sought individual freedom; not collective state-ism. They knew that equality was the starting point, not the goal and that justice does not equal fairness. Above all else they loved this country and saw it as the solution to the World’s problems, not the cause.
Thomas Jefferson wanted 1) no mandatory taxes 2) almost no power from the federal government 3) no "large government spending programs" like the Bank of the United States.
No doubt, Thomas Jefferson was a Right Wing Extremist!
I am certain that he did not agree to number 3) as that was too early for his time, and I am certain that no conservative would write his own Bible to add to provide better literature to the truth,
@AmericanskBlatte Please understand: as someone you might call "conservative," I admire Jefferson very much. I just find it hilarious just how he is way too conservative even for me!
Yes, because the Bank of the United States was large government spending program. "...I am certain that no conservative would write his own Bible to add to provide better literature to the truth,..."
Actually a conservative would; being a conservative has nothing to do with being a christian.
@aaa333ify No, the bible thing was just a gesture on how left radical he was. I mean, being liberal is not all about big government, certainly one can have small liberal states as well?
I am just questioning what he really was as a proper government, for Jefferson, is one that not only prohibits individuals in society from infringing on the liberty of other individuals, but also restrains itself from diminishing individual liberty.
@aaa333ify Well he was a deist, which is considered weak Atheism. We often spoke about the dangers of Christianity, something a conservative in today's society wouldn't even think about cause their brainwashed. Thomas Jefferson was all about freedom, civil liberties, and science. Something conservatives have never even heard of.
@chris1coria1 "Weak Atheism?" No, he definatley believed in a creator who possessed the moral capability to endow us with rights.
Although he rejected the trinity (as many of today's christians do, ex Jehovah's Witnesses), he still considered himself a "christian." It was part of the foundation for his moral beliefs.
I wouldn't say the founding fathers weren't liberals, you can argue some may have been more left or right, but they were libertarians more than anything, you don't half to claim the founding fathers in order to further your ideals, I'm not liberal, and and I'm definitley not a libertarian, but I still like the ideas of some of the fathers, mostly Jefferson.
Wtf Hamilton created the National bank,and wanted big government.(federalist) thats Liberal! Jefferson was conservative(Dem-Rep). Get your facts straight.
@MyPaperBleedsInk hey im a liberal, but if you read any American history text book, you'll see he was actually very conservative. Shit I wish he was a liberal, and I agree with alot of things he did. Still...he was conservative.
He was liberal in his time. By today's much more defined standards he wouldn't be. But this doesn't matter because he was a liberal, and you can't change someone's ideology as the times change and said person is no longer alive.
I read many American History text books/books in general, but a heck of a lot more politics books which deal more with this topic.
@MyPaperBleedsInk Yeah, I looked it up and Historians are on both sides of the fence for Jefferson. I still think he was a conservative; he had a strict interpretation of the constitution, and wanted to give more power to the states then the federal governement. So whatev...people have been debating on this issue for the last 200 years.
"Agriculture, manufactures, commerce, and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise."
History has shown that socialism leads to a reduction in the well being of societies as well as the happiness of people living in these scenarios. Of course, left wing ideologies openly embrace this stupidity while right wingers push the bounds to far the other way. There's a healthy balance point, but I don't believe this man is able to evaluate data properly for use in a voting booth. It would be good for him to cut the bleeding heart feel good crap and grip on reality instead.
retarded, the term liberalism wasn't around in the time of the founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson??? he believed himself, and was quoted as believing in republicanism, he was opposed to federal govt power and imperialism. he was a true conservative! look it up, alex. hamilton created the FEDERALIST PARTY!! he was the "liberal" in his time, he believed in strong centralized govt, and govt assumed roles in the economy.
This guy is wrong... All the founding fathers were Libertarian, which is only slightly the same as liberal. Libertarian believe both in individual rights (which is something many liberals claim) and the conservatives with balance budget/free market society.
@Omagis121 , while there was a healthy does of Adam Smith involved, Natural Law was much more dominant...Nature's God from the Declaration should tip you off.
hes got it backwards, democrats are so far left nowadays they're practically communists, and republicans are unfortunately drifting in that direction too
@FoundingFatherFigure Jefferson is usually classified as a "Classical Liberal" like John Locke, Adam Smith, Thomas Malthus, etc. as opposed to many of today's "Marxist" or Socialist styled "Liberals." Although not to say that all people today who classify themselves as "Liberal" or Socialist or want ot be associated with Socialism whatsoever. Would you say that is inaccurate?
Liberals will degrade Christianity but will glamorize Islam for fear of offending Muslims... Liberals could care less about 9/11 or any future attacks...They just don't want to offend anybody.. "BOO HOO..makes me wanna cry..WAA WAA"!!! Liberals are PATHETIC !!!! Bunch of Pinko, do-gooder, Panzies !!!!!
Well pinky, panzie, do gooder liberals....Bunch of libs who think sex education to underage YOUNG kids is normal in your beliefs but is disgusting and SICK !!!! You libs make me SICK !!!!!! Liberals are so perverted and with popping pills and drugs, liberal idiots seem to care less how their kids grow up and continue the cycle. I firmly believe that pinko, panzie libs have no common sence and could care less about morals and welfare !!!!!!!!
The founders were all religious, they all opposed BIG LIBERAL government. They would have rebelled against our current leaders because we are bordering on Tyranny again! Bush and Obama are both trash! we have not had a real constitutional president since Regan.
But to say the founders were liberal?!?!!? its utter ignorance.
just go read the writings of the founders, they themselves will discredit this ignorant ass wipe.
What a schmuck! What debate.. The liberals want to change the freaking world and the conservatives want to work hard, earn a living and die in peace. The liberals want half of what I earn to feed the daddyless kids all over the city. The liberals want to nurture crack heads with my hard earned cash. I dont seserve a house and a boat, I deserve to be abused by socialist assholes.
Well, we'll see about that:-) There are all kinds of ways to do business!
The founders believed in strict property rights, individual freedom, and extremely limited government. Basically the founding fathers = libertarianism. If you think that they would advocate progressive taxation, wealth redistribution, govt. regulation and intervention into the economy, then you really are an idiot. and A. Hamilton was actually more liberal not conservative.
Lastly the founders created a republic, not a democracy. They disdained democracy. TYT is so full of crap.
Thomas Jefferson was a classical conservative. If any of the founding fathers had been liberals then we would have never seceded from England. Also there would have been rampant abortion and homosexuality, no bill of rights (Fairness doctrine instead of the 1st ammendment and domestic militia instead of the 2nd), and there would been no powers reserved to the states, or states for that matter. This guy is a self important ignoramus.
@jmsnooks Conservatives by definition favor the current institutions & restoring older institutions. If the founders had been conservatives they would have been loyalists.
@Fuctmentality That's awfully simple, conservatives by definition are capitalists and believers in self ownership. It is true that the classical definition of liberal is way different than the people who the term is applied to today, but this guy is trying to cover that fact. If you put modern liberals/leftists in that environment back then then they would be loyalists because England didn't tax the colonies a hundredth of what our government does now.
@jmsnooks Seriously how can you say what anyone would of have done? You do know. & it wasn't just taxes, there were other natural rights which were violated, the iron act, quartering, not to mention the tea act (which cut taxes), & it wasn't at all about high taxes, men in the colonies paid less in taxes than those in England, it was that they were being taxed by a body in which they had no representation in.
@Fuctmentality I can say that because you guys don't complain about the ridiculous taxes now, and you consistently vote for people who raise them. The trouble started when they raised taxes, they raised taxes because they wanted the colonists to pay for some of the cost for the French and Indian War, but the fact is before that they were paying significantly less. I mean, to equate the socialist leftists of today with the founders is an oxymoron. Yes natural rights in general, which is...
No the trouble started before they even started taxes, starting to tax (w/o representation) period was an offense.
Don't claim liberals are the ones against natural rights, that's the most ridiculous statement I've ever read. Especially considering it has always been conservatives who stood against natural rights. Remember slavery? Abortion? Contraception? Euthanasia? All are part of the right of self determination that conservatives hate.
@Fuctmentality They were upset because they had to pay taxes, and they reacted to it violently.
I don't have to claim anything, I just have to read and listen to what you guys say and how you talk about rights being a social construction arrived at through consensus and created through legislation. Abortion isn't a right, it's infanticide.
Infanticide is the killing of an infant not a zygote or a fetus.
I'm glad you finally understand that it wasn't about high taxes, but about rights.
& I never wrote that rights are "arrived at through consensus and created through legislation". I simply state that there are natural rights & provide reasoning for them. As opposed to your side which doesn't believe in rights for any one but them selves (individually at that.) kind of like how an 18 month old views personal property.
@Fuctmentality I think you're confused, we aren't talking about the parasites from "Aliens" we're talking about unborn human children. You can't say it's not human or alive because it's growing and it's a product of the human DNA from parents. See, you have a subjective view of rights, you think it's up to legislators, whereas we think everyone is entitled to the same rights, including the right to life. Where do you think rights come from? Let me hear that.
@Fuctmentality Yes they were upset about their natural rights being violated, specifically it was the right to keep the fruits of their labor, and actually even when England started to back down they still complained about having to pay sales taxes. If you liberals were alive back then you wouldn't be complaining because they weren't taxed at a fraction of what we get taxed now.
@jmsnooks Actually it literally was taxation w/o representation,as well as a few other things. They (correctly) saw being taxed w/o representation in Parliament as an illegal violation of their rights as Englishmen. Now when was the last time a conservative was against the violation of civil rights? Because for the past decade all conservatives have done is remove civil rights & call anyone who spoke out either unpatriotic or in league w/ terrorists.
Why don't you all just read a dictionary for once? No one here seems to have the slightest clue about what conservatism and liberalism means. Liberalism hasn't changed one bit. Conservatism might have, but liberalism haven't.
Conservatism is about valuing the family, state and church. They support a strict hierchy and class society and they dislike radical changes,
Hardly anyone here is truly a conservative. More like neo-conservativ, which is a mix between conservatism and liberalism.
Liberalism has always been the same thing and it still is. Liberalism means small goverment, free market, freedom of speech, individualism and democracy. This is what liberalism actually is. And anyone who claims to be a liberal but at the same time differs from its true meaning, is not truly a liberal. Maybe social liberal or conservative liberal but definetly not liberal.
So no, liberalism does not equal things you disagree with.
the spirit of liberalism and conservatism are lost in todays age. while im registered republican, im liberal on some ideas and conservative on others. i belive there are no free rides in anything, you work for what u want, and if you dont then thats ur deal. no free handouts. i dont think war solves everything but is sometimes necessary. the list goes on. this idea of "do whatever you want", and for the government and police to be less authoritave is stupid.
Wow this guy is such an ass.. He doesn't have any idea how dumb he makes himself sound.. I completely agree with Dave12815... Lol I cnt believe this guy is on a show.. Its sad if anybody agrees with him it really is... God help the Liberals get their brains together
Our founding fathers would definitely be hardcore conservatives by today's standards. They fought a war and risked their lives because of a tax hike. No liberal today would do that. In fact most liberals today are chastising conservatives and calling them un-american just for protesting obama's tax hikes. Our founding father's fought against big government. If they were really liberal we would all still be British.
This guy is either a total idiot or willing to bend the facts to suit his agenda. Jefferson and company were CLASSICAL liberals, not the modern breed of pseudo-communist "liberals" more rightly called progressives. CLASSICAL liberalism has far more in common with conservatism than progressivism. Unfortunately, we seem to have a choice between only progressives and neo-conservatives.
This issue isn't that we don't understand "simple misspellings", the issue is that we have trouble imagining that there are people in this world who spell so badly yet still have enough eye-hand coordination to type. And I won't even begin to address the grammatical meltdown...I don't have the strength...
Liberals or Conservatives don't know what the hell is right for America anymore. Its like being a liberal Democrat or being a conservative Republican is like being part of a club. Most of the politicians want the power. I'm a moderate Democrat and both of the parties don't know what to stand for anymore. Both parties are equally corrupt. I wish we will have a president in the next for years who will care about the country instead of the party.
Oh and here is a fun fact for you: your most liberal President has law-enforcement keep looking for people with pocket constitutions. But wait if hes liberal and the people who wrote the constitution were liberal like you said at the beginning wouldnt he like people to carry that around? It really is like you said a topsy-turvy world! No offense but no wonder not that many people watch you.
In Thomas Jefferson's day, liberals stood for freedom and liberty so in a way he is right but I believe he was claiming Thomas Jefferson was a liberal by today's standards and that is absolutely wrong. Classical liberals stood for individual freedom, present day liberals stand for big govt.
Three, why is it that when I told a Liberal YouTuber the truth that I am an Independent he said yeah thats what all republicans call themselves. Also, how is it that despite the medias vendetta against Obama opposition, protestors have been proven grass-root republicans ,both conservative and liberal independents, and even conservative-democrats.
Two, how is it that every history teacher of mine through Jr. High and college liberal-mostly- and conservative told my class that Thomas Jefferson was known for his republicanism ideals and was for the right to bare arms, had opposition towards the bank of America, was a Christian, was for Indian removal- which meant war, and despite being a abolitionist owned slaves himself. Today and back then that would be considered at least a conservative.
Thomas Jefferson was most definately not a christian.He didn't have a very high regard for organized religion.Most historians describe Jefferson as a Deist.
Part I The right has left (LOL, you meant lapped) off the cliff. Theyre so far to the right that now the middle looks like its far left. Its a topsy-turvy world. Thats why we get upset about it. Number one if the right is so far right how come George W. Bush and half of the republican presidential candidates John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, Tom Tancrado, and Ron Paul are considered liberal-republicans.
i believe in freedom so fuck off cuss wor haters fuck you you fuckin fucks did anyone die because of that no are you maybe offended awe what a poor lil bunch of people that should just admit they're pussies. im constitutionaly protected to cus, spell checkers on here are big fat wimps too. if you're too stupid to not understand simple misspellings then just admit you're a moron and move on.
"It is strange that liberals today claim to be "liberal" but do not embrace the liberal ideas of our country's Founding Fathers and their wisdom of the concept of liberty. Instead they have fallen from that concept and blindly follow socialism, which will eventually lead to the downfall of freedom in America."
This guy doesnt touch down on the points at all. Liberals are the ones that are trying to put in new regulations that try to tell us (the people) what we can and cant do.
The Founders were NOT liberals. If you think that then you are a retard who never read their works. The Founders were "classical liberals", like Adam Smith. But classical liberalism is not (modern) liberalism, classical liberalism is libertarianism. The Founders would be libertarianism by today's standards not liberals nor conservatives.
@ArtinEmil Our founding fathers were liberals, Liberal means in favor of destroying/changing the traditional institutions, conservative means in favor of the current structure or restoring old institutions. The founding fathers were radical left wing loons, yes they were followers of classical liberalism (for the most part) today what we call libertarianism, but for there day they were liberals.
@youngbono18 Actually Cenk is a smart guy, I like him (even though I am not a liberal), but he is just dead wrong in this clip. However, the main founders were not religious. They were diests. That is pretty much identical to being an atheist.
I will respect your opinion... but you are a little bit off. Washington was a devout Christian, James Madison was Episcopalian, Samuel Adams was Congregationalist, Thomas Jefferson was a deist (but he said he believed in God many times, and even supported Christian principles) Very few actually deists (even Wikipedia goes over that) They ALL wanted SMALL government (unlike modern liberals) and ALL believed that traditional morality was key to our survival.
Afraid not. I am a history major, and have read almost everything that the main founders wrote from cradle to grave.
If you would like to hear it from their own mouths, I would gladly send you some books for free. I have about 300 that go over their OWN writings and ideas.
What the fuck are you talking about? The people that want to tell gays they can't marry, women they can't have abortions, and people that they can't do drugs feel people can decide for themselves? WTF!?
So you prefer the FEDERAL GOV'T to control 50% of the US Economy, have all the weapons, take more and more of any hardworking successful persons income and power over every aspect of our lives. Health care, student loans, schools, military, police, energy taxes, fees upon fees.
Many of us happen to agree that abortion and sexual orientation is a private decision. And feel free to keep hitting the bong and removing yourself from society, your family and life in general, you have that right too.
My point is that conservatives and liberals want to tell people what to do. You act like it's only liberals. If you are a capitalist who believes in social freedom as far as abortion and gay marriage the you're not a conservative you're a libertarian.
It's only liberals who are organized and planning to take over control of the country. And here you are TELLING ME what I am. I happen to be a person, who thinks for herself. And I happen to agree with Libertarians more then most groups, but neocons have it right on when it comes to the war on terrorism, illegal immigration and civil defense.
Lets see how long Liberal democratic control lasts with the poor policies they are planning to pass, if they don't destroy this great nation first.
Again, it is Liberals who are plotting to STEAL the income of people who earn a good living and give it to losers who will then only rely on more gov't handouts. You want a nanny state to take care of you instead of growing up.
Conservatives took care of defense by going after the terrorists, you PC liberals/Union lovers are the problem.
Conservatives have all there problems too like supporting the war on drugs, wanting to make federal laws to ban gay marriage, Bushes tax cuts for the rich a long time ago etc.
All I'm saying is both parties suck. It isn't just dems like you're saying.
You can do whatever you want, and I can tell you that swearing shows no class. You say you are 24, well it's time to grow up and show some class. No one takes "F" bomb users seriously.
If "Cenk" curses, he is an idiot. But you have shown who your role models are so I'm not surprised.
Anyway, you are wasting my time so don't expect another reply, I'm done with you.
Just maybe the neighbor couldn't stand Frost, I could see that happening with liberals. You never mind your own business and for some god awful reason, you all think you are better. You let your white guilt from having more than someone else that it really clouds your thinking. Of course yopu make more money than that poor guy so let see if we can't pass legislation and get the gov;t to tax small biz and every other form of biz that's run mainly by republicans bc they have an entrepenural spirit
Liberals of the 1700's believed in Freedom, Private Property, Limited Government, and right to own guns. Conservatives of teh 1700's believed in Big Government, Little Private Property, and were generally against freedom to keep their power! Liberals of the 1700's would be called "Conservatives" today, while Conservatives of the 1700's would be called "Liberals" today. No one knows history anymore. The definition has changed overtime! They were liberal, but would be Conservative today!
@opollis The three largest expansions of government happened under republicans the people who proclaim themselves conservatives. Do not claim that liberals are the ones for big government when by definition a conservative is in favor of the governement
thomas jefferson liberal? are you out of your mind? he considered his election to be a 2nd revolution because george washington and john adams centralized goverment so much you are stupid
His assessment of Robert Frost's poem is correct. The neighbor sticks to old formulaic sayings rather than analyze what is actually neccessary in the present.
I attended Robert Frost Junior High (Middle) School in Rockville, Maryland.
This obviously a clever guy, but he uses his smarts to come to wrong conclusions... which [in the end] isn;t smart at all - the question is are conservatives wall builders or do liberals have boundary issues? Just look at our world today with the indiscriminate behavior with the relativistic way they approach making moral considerations is an abomination to reason - they simply reject them... there is no evil, there is no good. But if there is evil, America somehow cause it. That's a shame...
good fences make good neighbors, but not allways democrats believe. conservatives support laws that would force all residences to have fences around them. there is nobody (everyone says to me dont say nobody) THERE IS NOBODIE except you who will say this is even close to some kind of factual statment. maybe you should be "the lying turks"
AlbanassZap #1 bad spellers should not be able to post,so you are apposed to free speech?. #2 "you are a donkey" look up "ad hominem". #3 "one person wants to tear down fence between property, one does not". in that context fence is not used as an analogy. "conservatives always want fences, walls, and wars" search "Reagan brandenburg" every US war of 20th century except 1 started under democrats #4 just read "liberty and tyranny" by Levin and "culture of corruption"by malkin #5 who is a fool?
ok let me get this straight, conservatives like democrats are not always right, that history proves somewhere in the center is politically correct, but the conservatives are so far right that the center is, or looks like it is liberal to you. that is so laughably Orwellian that it goes beyond funny right into disturbing. and we are all a little more stupid just for hearing it. why is it important for your nationality to be in your name "the young turks" sounds like you are "young racist" to me.
Robert Frost was a conservative who, I believe changed later in his life. Anyway, its kind of a false dichotomy. I see how people vote back and forth. Whatever. Call yourself what you want. What do I care?
This guy only understands the modern definition of "liberal" and "conservative", because by the classic definition all of the founders were conservative, especially Jefferson. You have to understand that saying "conservative" or "liberal" back then was exclusively in regards to money. That's why libertarians, for example are fiscal conservatives and social liberals, etc. Much like Jefferson, whom their beliefs are largely modeled after.
First off, this is the most boring conversation I've ever heard. No wonder Air America is broke. Second, to say that Jefferson was a "liberal" (I'm talking about Modern Liberals, not traditional liberals) is so far off base that it's hardly worth commenting on. But to sum up, all the Founding Fathers, including Jefferson were 1st & formost for FREEDOM, esp. Free Markets. Modern liberals & socialist abhor freedom & promote opression & poverty. But again, this guy is just boring & stupid.
Your founding fathers and your great presidents were all aware of the dangers of corporate power and foreign banking interests, and sought to protect the US from them. Never mind 'liberal' or 'conservative'. Those terms were and are irrelevant. The corporations and the banks are all powerful, and they dictate the direction of all US policy. Your freedom is an illusion. Jefferson would turn in his grave if he knew how his country had been hijacked, undermined, betrayed, and bankrupted.
I agree w/ much of what you said. The FF would be upset about where we are now fiscally. But what the FF were more afraid of was government acquiring too much power. As far as corporate/banking powers, you have the power & freedom to choose not to do business with them. You have the freedom to start a new business & counter their "power." That's whats so great about free markets. Our freedom is still alive today & not an illusion. Though, I agree it is diminishing b/c of govt. power.
Well I'm glad to see that we're kind of on the same page, but I have to say that you can't simply opt out of this. The ones with the ultimate power are the federal reserve. And who are they? The corporates select the government from amongst themselves and the government is at the mercy of the FRB. And if you are going to start a business, then from where are you going to get the finance to start it up? When they watch us do the liberal vs conservative thing, they see tic-tac-toe.
yes and the banks should let the free market decide there fate. the government should insure the money on deposit and and get out of banking business including freddy and fanny. the only reason jefferson would be "rolling over in his grave is because we are close to 1,000,000,000,000.oo US of the taxpayers money going to bail out the banks and other big corporations.
Interesting that he claims that Jefferson and Madison, etc., were "no question - liberals"... and then he goes on to say that conservatives are "so far to the right that they make the middle look far left". Conservatives, by-and-large have not changed all that much... at least not to the RIGHT. If they have changed over the years, it has been to the LEFT. The LEFT, however, has changed DRAMATICALLY. A "leftist" Jefferson would be HORRIFIED by the EXISTENCE of a Barney Frank in congress.
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sometimes religion is what politics needs. some descions should be made based on what the bible says. alot of the tough issues are spelled out easily in the bible so y not use it.
I'm not liberal or conserative. Liberals are weak, arrogant, and condesending. Conservatives are ignorant, traditional, and always bringing religon in to politics. Thats why I'm a moderate Democrat.
How about the libertarians? It's sad we have a 2 party system, I'm tired of deciding who is the lesser of two evils. Perhaps we are better off getting rid of all incumbants?
Third parties? They really don't do anything. They're just there. Our country functions perfectly with the two party system. I'm a Democrat and I would never vote a third party canadiate into office. I really don't know they're policies and I really don't want to research them either. I understand what you're saying its like hotdog or hamburger.
carrect me if im wrong but im gonna make an example.lenin took socialism into his country and it led to more deaths than were commited by hitler. communism as a social and economic program fails. russia is now one of the most corrupt governments in the world.i live in alaska and we dont get mexicans we get illegal russians. wat does that say to you. they fricken crossed an ocean to escape russia. how sad is that. i agree that a middle ground might work but socialism should have no part in it.
a little known fact is that facism was created along the same lines as liberalism. karl marx a liberal created the worst social program now known as communism. there is room for a few liberal ideas but overall there needs to be a main conservative outlook.
facism and communism are liberal ideas taken to the extreme...however, communism is in theory a very good idea "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need", actually implementing socialism has been the problem which leaves you with things like the berlin wall, siberian labor camps, and the "great leap forward". balance is th key. "a main conservative outlook" is what we have had since bush took office and that is not the answer.
The problem with communism/socialism is in the syntax. "To each according to his need" should be replace with "To each according to his EFFORTS". "TO" is a powerful word in this equation. It suggest a distribution - a redistribution, more accurately. It implies a benevolent entity that gets to make that all-important decision of "need" versus "effort". Effort is FAR easier to measure than NEED. My PARENTS were - by definition - responsible to decide what I needed. My government - NEVER!
'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.' - Ronald Reagan
Liberals are ruining the world, big difference between Liberals is.. well let me use an example, if terrorist threatened the U.S.A. with a bomb, a liberal.. would negotiate, a conservative would say fuck off or kiss your ass goodbye. Liberals think they can reason with everyone, and let's face it, people such as the leader of Iran... are very radical.
You watch too much fox. Terrorists didn't threaten us that they would hijack our planes and ram them into our shit. If the terrorists have something planned they don't tell us about it. Anti-terrorism is about keeping weapons materials out of terrorist's hands. This very well could take negotiation, not with terrorists, but with government leaders who could potentially sell weapons. The people calling Iran a threat are the same ones that called Iraq a threat, it is total bull shit.
Ok, I'm tired of all you liberals blaiming fox news, it's about the only republican conservative media company out there and that's why they always get shit. 90% of the media is for democrats and liberals thats the only reason obama is where he is. I believe Iraq and Afghanistan was a strategic spot to have because now look at Iran, they're surrounded literally, they are a threat, they are developing nuclear bombs, and they want Israel off the map. It's a powderkeg for a new world war.
As far as we can tell, their nuclear weapons program ended in 2003. The IAEA has done numerous checks on Iran's nuclear energy program and have found no leaks for nuclear materials to disappear. Their peaceful nuclear advancement is fairly transparent and to top it all off, the USA helps fund it. I am willing to change my opinion of Iran, if you can show some PROOF that they are dangerous.
You are a fool if you actually believe all this you just wrote. There is overwhelming evidence that Iran is actively pursuing a nuclear weapons program, including their own leader's rants as he brags about their nuclear program. Why would France & Germany (not very conservative leaders there) be seeking to get Iran to destroy their nuclear facilities if they didn't have one to destroy??? THINK!!! OPEN YOUR MIND AND THINK!!! DEVELOP RATIONAL THINKING SKILLS!!!
stop repeating the right wing talking points... iran is not looking to attack anyone and is only making nuclear power to improve its environment. ahmadinejad does not want to attack america and doesnt want to death to anybody. that is just his way to create hysteria and panic among people. he loves to talk shit, that is just how he is. furthermore, he doesnt even have the ability or let alone jurisdiction to start a war with any country or declare it. that is the job of the leader of iran.
PROVE THEY'RE DANGEROUS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Iran's leader just about daily promises Israel will fall and launched a ballistic missle-test showing they can reach Israel after the country said they did not want to war with Israel? They got so much fucking heat from that move because it was completely un-called for. We need to stop fucking appeasing terrorists like him like we did Hitler and have the balls to take them out befor they're a threat.
You moron. The founders were LIBERTARIANS not Liberals. They understood the importance of small government and low taxes in order to safe guard economic and civil freedoms. This guy is an idiot.
Classical liberals including some of our Founders were opposed to government interference in economics. They were for limited government and free markets among other things. Conservatives these days say they are for these things but in truth they are for what the conservatives of their day were for, government grant of privilege, monopoly and subsidy of the wealthy and what we today call the private sector, big business and corporations. Today's liberals fail to call them on this???
you make fun of conservatives programs and sites for being biased but you seem to be extremely biased too???
hiboyjc 7 months ago
No offense but do u expect me to think this isn't bias?
And I support liberals
EkteBoy 7 months ago
I found it. A good TYT video.
He's not a mere simulacrum of a person after all.
Had me worried with his adult-ish "Absolutely"s, but his discussion of Mending Wall was interesting and utterly human and intelligent.
Cenk's aptitude is in not politics and current events and headlines, although he toils away painfully at it. If he could control his temper, dial down the ego, and improve his listening and interactive skills he'd be a fine teacher of literature.
clearwater95 7 months ago
Thomas Jefferson was a Libertarian. The complete opposite of Liberal
22Mrjsmooth 7 months ago
madison and jefferson were democratic-republican party which has nothing to do with either of the parties today and alexander hamilton was a federalist which is a party that died out after the hartford convention. These guys are idiots. BTW Jefferson believed in strict construction of the constitution which prooves jefferson was not liberal and hamilton wanted a loose construction of the constitution which proves he is not a conservative
kerpal3 8 months ago
madison and jefferson were democratic-republican party which has nothing to do with either of the parties today and alexander hamilton was a federalist which is a party that died out after the hartford convention. These guys are idiots
kerpal3 8 months ago
Thomas Jefferson a liberal? Really Cenk.
newart2004 8 months ago
All the founders were conservative. None of them would be for the socialist welfare policies of the modern left...
aaasssfffdddiii 10 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Glad you asked them. I was about to call Ben Franklin but could not find his number :) Since back then socialist welfare did not exist... how can you know what they would say about it? I do know that they where men of the people and wanted the best for them... and welfare, healthcare, social justice all seem very pro-people. Well its not like I am going to change your mind on this anyway. Cheers!
Daelyas 10 months ago
@Daelyas "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer"
aaasssfffdddiii 10 months ago
@Daelyas That was a quote from Ben Franklin (see my last quote). He was obviously against welfare. All of founders were pro-free market. I can find you numerous quotes from all of them warning against progressivism and big government. You are obviously not very bright.
Welfare, health care, and social justice lead to less freedom, lower standard of living, and debt. I didn''t know those things were pro-people. You are literally too stupid for words.
aaasssfffdddiii 10 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii "You are literally too stupid for words." Thats great. Sorry to have wasted your time with my ignorance. I am sooooooo sorry. You know.... I did not insult you in my comment, and still the first thing I get back is stuff like this. You used examples for your opinion that are always used and are not based on any facts other than "I observed it that way" (Even if it was franklin). And please don't forget that you can not compare the world 300 years ago with now.
Daelyas 10 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii And to be honest with you... who gives a f*** what the founding fathers said? They are dead. Its so typical that some people make them into "god figures" whos words are absolute. The founding fathers did not know socialism because it did not exist and still I here some people saying that the foundling fathers hated socialism... wtf? They where people (smart yes- but people), they are dead, and even their ideas have got to change over time. Its called "evolution"
Daelyas 10 months ago
@Daelyas You know nothing. Socialism did exist when they were around, it just wasn't called socialism. Many people supported no private property, redistribution of wealth, etc. The founders wrote the constitution to insure this did not come to fruition. It absolutely matters what they said. They wrote the document that set the groundwork for the first free country. I know you leftists would love to ignore what they said to push your anti-freedom progressive agenda through.
aaasssfffdddiii 10 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii Run along now and play ;) You are 100% right - I am wrong - Helping people is bad - republicans are great - socialism is evil - progressives are evil - you are very smart - you are awsome - God loves you - God hates me... anything else? No? Well anyway. I get the message. If you don't want the facts and the truth... Im not gonna force you. I live in socialist country and make more money than a good friend of mine in america (same job) so I give a s*** about your views ;) Cheers
Daelyas 10 months ago
@Daelyas Hey which socialist country do you live in ?
rbouverat 10 months ago
@rbouverat Netherlands. And I work as maritime officer on a cargo ship. Payment is about 4300 euro (+/- depending on route) as opposed to 3800 dollars that most american companys pay my rank. Plus I have very good public healthcare almost for free. I pay about 42% on everything a month (taxes, apartment, insurance etc.) and that is more than in america... but it is worth every cent. And I get 4 months of vacation in a country where pot is legal... can it get better? :D (age 27)
Daelyas 10 months ago 2
@Daelyas Ya I live in Canada we have decriminalized marijuana but its illegal , we have an exeptional educational system but I believe more reforms should be made untill were more like you guys
rbouverat 10 months ago
@Daelyas Your goverment follows "social-conservatism" wich is good, but socialism in general is insane and politicaly they are insane too, example Job Cohen is a fucking douchebag and also Balkanende what a moron, he ruined your country till 2010. Holland is doing good now but Rutte is kinda of a slob with hes EU wet dream, the guy is naive. Hans Hillen and the rest of the left wing cunts and the CDA in that parliament are asshole's. And btw paying 150 euro's every month for insurence,is insane.
Packerd01 4 months ago
@aaasssfffdddiii oh and stop insulting people. It destroys your own (so called) arguments by leting you seem childish and simple ... one second thought... well I guess it does not matter if you insult anyone :D You are going to comment again anyway... I will not write back because I have to finish my evil socialist plot to take over your life... I hope you understand that such a thing takes its time :D Muhahaha! (oh brother... really??? you are scared of socialists? weak dude... weak...)
Daelyas 10 months ago
when did i say i was scared of socialists?
aaasssfffdddiii 10 months ago
lol the founding fathers were liberals?
dadecountyhustler305 10 months ago
I'm liberal and proud of it.
JImmy4336 10 months ago
Our Forefathers were Libs!? Ya, if you're a fucking Canadian! The US's forefathers were MEN, willing to fight (yes; as in WAR) to separate from (yes, not conform to) the standard European big-government model of the day. They sought individual freedom; not collective state-ism. They knew that equality was the starting point, not the goal and that justice does not equal fairness. Above all else they loved this country and saw it as the solution to the World’s problems, not the cause.
mdstalla 11 months ago
Thomas Jefferson wanted 1) no mandatory taxes 2) almost no power from the federal government 3) no "large government spending programs" like the Bank of the United States.
No doubt, Thomas Jefferson was a Right Wing Extremist!
aaa333ify 1 year ago 7
@aaa333ify can you source it.
I am certain that he did not agree to number 3) as that was too early for his time, and I am certain that no conservative would write his own Bible to add to provide better literature to the truth,
AmericanskBlatte 10 months ago
@AmericanskBlatte Please understand: as someone you might call "conservative," I admire Jefferson very much. I just find it hilarious just how he is way too conservative even for me!
Yes, because the Bank of the United States was large government spending program. "...I am certain that no conservative would write his own Bible to add to provide better literature to the truth,..."
Actually a conservative would; being a conservative has nothing to do with being a christian.
aaa333ify 10 months ago
@aaa333ify No, the bible thing was just a gesture on how left radical he was. I mean, being liberal is not all about big government, certainly one can have small liberal states as well?
I am just questioning what he really was as a proper government, for Jefferson, is one that not only prohibits individuals in society from infringing on the liberty of other individuals, but also restrains itself from diminishing individual liberty.
AmericanskBlatte 10 months ago
@AmericanskBlatte I guess it just depends on your definition of "liberal."
aaa333ify 10 months ago
@aaa333ify Well he was a deist, which is considered weak Atheism. We often spoke about the dangers of Christianity, something a conservative in today's society wouldn't even think about cause their brainwashed. Thomas Jefferson was all about freedom, civil liberties, and science. Something conservatives have never even heard of.
chris1coria1 3 months ago
@chris1coria1 "Weak Atheism?" No, he definatley believed in a creator who possessed the moral capability to endow us with rights.
Although he rejected the trinity (as many of today's christians do, ex Jehovah's Witnesses), he still considered himself a "christian." It was part of the foundation for his moral beliefs.
aaa333ify 2 months ago
I wouldn't say the founding fathers weren't liberals, you can argue some may have been more left or right, but they were libertarians more than anything, you don't half to claim the founding fathers in order to further your ideals, I'm not liberal, and and I'm definitley not a libertarian, but I still like the ideas of some of the fathers, mostly Jefferson.
EnergizerBunny804 1 year ago
Wtf Hamilton created the National bank,and wanted big government.(federalist) thats Liberal! Jefferson was conservative(Dem-Rep). Get your facts straight.
trustboy77 1 year ago
@trustboy77
Jefferson was a liberal. I believe it is you who needs to get the facts straight.
MyPaperBleedsInk 1 year ago
@MyPaperBleedsInk hey im a liberal, but if you read any American history text book, you'll see he was actually very conservative. Shit I wish he was a liberal, and I agree with alot of things he did. Still...he was conservative.
trustboy77 1 year ago
@trustboy77
He was liberal in his time. By today's much more defined standards he wouldn't be. But this doesn't matter because he was a liberal, and you can't change someone's ideology as the times change and said person is no longer alive.
I read many American History text books/books in general, but a heck of a lot more politics books which deal more with this topic.
MyPaperBleedsInk 1 year ago
@MyPaperBleedsInk Ok, thats all great but was he conservative or not? Yes he was conservative.
trustboy77 1 year ago
@trustboy77
No. He wasn't. Jeesh. Look up what the conservatives and liberals stood for back then.
MyPaperBleedsInk 1 year ago
@MyPaperBleedsInk Yeah, I looked it up and Historians are on both sides of the fence for Jefferson. I still think he was a conservative; he had a strict interpretation of the constitution, and wanted to give more power to the states then the federal governement. So whatev...people have been debating on this issue for the last 200 years.
trustboy77 1 year ago
@MyPaperBleedsInk
"Agriculture, manufactures, commerce, and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are the most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise."
- Thomas Jefferson
Salvysahagun 1 year ago
@Salvysahagun
Your point being?
He was a liberal of his time.
MyPaperBleedsInk 1 year ago
@MyPaperBleedsInk
Democrats do not believe free markets
they believe high regulations on the economy
o yes liberal the REAL! liberal, freedom in the aspects of economics or politics.
Salvysahagun 1 year ago
@Salvysahagun
It's like you people don't takes courses in government history.
Things CHANGE over time. Ideologies CHANGE over time.
He was a liberal.
MyPaperBleedsInk 1 year ago
@MyPaperBleedsInk
yes liberal a real liberal
like I said
Salvysahagun 1 year ago
or in real terms
LIBERTARIAN!!!
and economics are economics
Salvysahagun 1 year ago
History has shown that socialism leads to a reduction in the well being of societies as well as the happiness of people living in these scenarios. Of course, left wing ideologies openly embrace this stupidity while right wingers push the bounds to far the other way. There's a healthy balance point, but I don't believe this man is able to evaluate data properly for use in a voting booth. It would be good for him to cut the bleeding heart feel good crap and grip on reality instead.
JustSignOut 1 year ago
This has to be the worst news anchor ever. Glenn Beck would probably beat this guy in a debate.
MaximusSteelflex 1 year ago
retarded, the term liberalism wasn't around in the time of the founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson??? he believed himself, and was quoted as believing in republicanism, he was opposed to federal govt power and imperialism. he was a true conservative! look it up, alex. hamilton created the FEDERALIST PARTY!! he was the "liberal" in his time, he believed in strong centralized govt, and govt assumed roles in the economy.
3rdEyeSpeaks 1 year ago
This guy is wrong... All the founding fathers were Libertarian, which is only slightly the same as liberal. Libertarian believe both in individual rights (which is something many liberals claim) and the conservatives with balance budget/free market society.
Omagis121 1 year ago
@Omagis121 , while there was a healthy does of Adam Smith involved, Natural Law was much more dominant...Nature's God from the Declaration should tip you off.
DeuceMackey 1 year ago
This guys an idiot...
rd788 1 year ago
hes got it backwards, democrats are so far left nowadays they're practically communists, and republicans are unfortunately drifting in that direction too
grantsdaman01 1 year ago
@grantsdaman01 The left in this country is considered conservative compared to other parts of the world
thisfreakingname 1 year ago
@thisfreakingname
yeah, thank god
grantsdaman01 1 year ago
Large percent of liberals today aren't even liberal. They are actually cultural Marxists.
helpdonate1 1 year ago
...did you say jefferson was a... liberal?
FoundingFatherFigure 1 year ago
@FoundingFatherFigure Jefferson is usually classified as a "Classical Liberal" like John Locke, Adam Smith, Thomas Malthus, etc. as opposed to many of today's "Marxist" or Socialist styled "Liberals." Although not to say that all people today who classify themselves as "Liberal" or Socialist or want ot be associated with Socialism whatsoever. Would you say that is inaccurate?
JoKo203 1 year ago
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Liberals will degrade Christianity but will glamorize Islam for fear of offending Muslims... Liberals could care less about 9/11 or any future attacks...They just don't want to offend anybody.. "BOO HOO..makes me wanna cry..WAA WAA"!!! Liberals are PATHETIC !!!! Bunch of Pinko, do-gooder, Panzies !!!!!
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Well pinky, panzie, do gooder liberals....Bunch of libs who think sex education to underage YOUNG kids is normal in your beliefs but is disgusting and SICK !!!! You libs make me SICK !!!!!! Liberals are so perverted and with popping pills and drugs, liberal idiots seem to care less how their kids grow up and continue the cycle. I firmly believe that pinko, panzie libs have no common sence and could care less about morals and welfare !!!!!!!!
daleng1994 1 year ago
Shut up. You pathetic windbag,.
youngbono18 1 year ago
Ha ha ha... this guy is SUCH AN IDIOT!!!!!!!!
The founders were all religious, they all opposed BIG LIBERAL government. They would have rebelled against our current leaders because we are bordering on Tyranny again! Bush and Obama are both trash! we have not had a real constitutional president since Regan.
But to say the founders were liberal?!?!!? its utter ignorance.
just go read the writings of the founders, they themselves will discredit this ignorant ass wipe.
youngbono18 1 year ago
What a schmuck! What debate.. The liberals want to change the freaking world and the conservatives want to work hard, earn a living and die in peace. The liberals want half of what I earn to feed the daddyless kids all over the city. The liberals want to nurture crack heads with my hard earned cash. I dont seserve a house and a boat, I deserve to be abused by socialist assholes.
Well, we'll see about that:-) There are all kinds of ways to do business!
guitarplayer4real 1 year ago
The founders believed in strict property rights, individual freedom, and extremely limited government. Basically the founding fathers = libertarianism. If you think that they would advocate progressive taxation, wealth redistribution, govt. regulation and intervention into the economy, then you really are an idiot. and A. Hamilton was actually more liberal not conservative.
Lastly the founders created a republic, not a democracy. They disdained democracy. TYT is so full of crap.
FreeMarketer5 1 year ago
@FreeMarketer5
No kidding.... this guy is such an idiot!
youngbono18 1 year ago
Thomas Jefferson was a classical conservative. If any of the founding fathers had been liberals then we would have never seceded from England. Also there would have been rampant abortion and homosexuality, no bill of rights (Fairness doctrine instead of the 1st ammendment and domestic militia instead of the 2nd), and there would been no powers reserved to the states, or states for that matter. This guy is a self important ignoramus.
jmsnooks 1 year ago
@jmsnooks Conservatives by definition favor the current institutions & restoring older institutions. If the founders had been conservatives they would have been loyalists.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@Fuctmentality That's awfully simple, conservatives by definition are capitalists and believers in self ownership. It is true that the classical definition of liberal is way different than the people who the term is applied to today, but this guy is trying to cover that fact. If you put modern liberals/leftists in that environment back then then they would be loyalists because England didn't tax the colonies a hundredth of what our government does now.
jmsnooks 1 year ago
@jmsnooks Seriously how can you say what anyone would of have done? You do know. & it wasn't just taxes, there were other natural rights which were violated, the iron act, quartering, not to mention the tea act (which cut taxes), & it wasn't at all about high taxes, men in the colonies paid less in taxes than those in England, it was that they were being taxed by a body in which they had no representation in.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@Fuctmentality I can say that because you guys don't complain about the ridiculous taxes now, and you consistently vote for people who raise them. The trouble started when they raised taxes, they raised taxes because they wanted the colonists to pay for some of the cost for the French and Indian War, but the fact is before that they were paying significantly less. I mean, to equate the socialist leftists of today with the founders is an oxymoron. Yes natural rights in general, which is...
jmsnooks 1 year ago
@jmsnooks
"The trouble started when they raised taxes"
No the trouble started before they even started taxes, starting to tax (w/o representation) period was an offense.
Don't claim liberals are the ones against natural rights, that's the most ridiculous statement I've ever read. Especially considering it has always been conservatives who stood against natural rights. Remember slavery? Abortion? Contraception? Euthanasia? All are part of the right of self determination that conservatives hate.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@Fuctmentality They were upset because they had to pay taxes, and they reacted to it violently.
I don't have to claim anything, I just have to read and listen to what you guys say and how you talk about rights being a social construction arrived at through consensus and created through legislation. Abortion isn't a right, it's infanticide.
jmsnooks 1 year ago
@jmsnooks
Infanticide is the killing of an infant not a zygote or a fetus.
I'm glad you finally understand that it wasn't about high taxes, but about rights.
& I never wrote that rights are "arrived at through consensus and created through legislation". I simply state that there are natural rights & provide reasoning for them. As opposed to your side which doesn't believe in rights for any one but them selves (individually at that.) kind of like how an 18 month old views personal property.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@Fuctmentality I think you're confused, we aren't talking about the parasites from "Aliens" we're talking about unborn human children. You can't say it's not human or alive because it's growing and it's a product of the human DNA from parents. See, you have a subjective view of rights, you think it's up to legislators, whereas we think everyone is entitled to the same rights, including the right to life. Where do you think rights come from? Let me hear that.
jmsnooks 1 year ago
@Fuctmentality Yes they were upset about their natural rights being violated, specifically it was the right to keep the fruits of their labor, and actually even when England started to back down they still complained about having to pay sales taxes. If you liberals were alive back then you wouldn't be complaining because they weren't taxed at a fraction of what we get taxed now.
jmsnooks 1 year ago
@jmsnooks Actually it literally was taxation w/o representation,as well as a few other things. They (correctly) saw being taxed w/o representation in Parliament as an illegal violation of their rights as Englishmen. Now when was the last time a conservative was against the violation of civil rights? Because for the past decade all conservatives have done is remove civil rights & call anyone who spoke out either unpatriotic or in league w/ terrorists.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@Fuctmentality ...something that liberals don't believe in being the ardent social constructionists and moral relativists that they are.
jmsnooks 1 year ago
This guy is on crack.
jmsnooks 1 year ago
Why don't you all just read a dictionary for once? No one here seems to have the slightest clue about what conservatism and liberalism means. Liberalism hasn't changed one bit. Conservatism might have, but liberalism haven't.
Conservatism is about valuing the family, state and church. They support a strict hierchy and class society and they dislike radical changes,
Hardly anyone here is truly a conservative. More like neo-conservativ, which is a mix between conservatism and liberalism.
oRReOP 1 year ago
Big government is the ENEMY of Liberty.
AlyBlack 1 year ago
liberalism takes on a differnt meaning in todays society. today, its "help everybody, give give give".they are so fuckin stupid.
23usmc23 1 year ago
Liberalism has always been the same thing and it still is. Liberalism means small goverment, free market, freedom of speech, individualism and democracy. This is what liberalism actually is. And anyone who claims to be a liberal but at the same time differs from its true meaning, is not truly a liberal. Maybe social liberal or conservative liberal but definetly not liberal.
So no, liberalism does not equal things you disagree with.
oRReOP 1 year ago
the spirit of liberalism and conservatism are lost in todays age. while im registered republican, im liberal on some ideas and conservative on others. i belive there are no free rides in anything, you work for what u want, and if you dont then thats ur deal. no free handouts. i dont think war solves everything but is sometimes necessary. the list goes on. this idea of "do whatever you want", and for the government and police to be less authoritave is stupid.
23usmc23 1 year ago
I always thought of the founders as Libertarians much more than liberal or what we consider to be conservitive today.
19TEC85 2 years ago
Wow this guy is such an ass.. He doesn't have any idea how dumb he makes himself sound.. I completely agree with Dave12815... Lol I cnt believe this guy is on a show.. Its sad if anybody agrees with him it really is... God help the Liberals get their brains together
MickyMousE412 2 years ago
Our founding fathers would definitely be hardcore conservatives by today's standards. They fought a war and risked their lives because of a tax hike. No liberal today would do that. In fact most liberals today are chastising conservatives and calling them un-american just for protesting obama's tax hikes. Our founding father's fought against big government. If they were really liberal we would all still be British.
Dave12815 2 years ago
you fat loser, you are an ignorant blowhard.
mstaff657 2 years ago
thomas jefferson was not a liberal this fat guy is not very bright
stopkitten 2 years ago
This guy is either a total idiot or willing to bend the facts to suit his agenda. Jefferson and company were CLASSICAL liberals, not the modern breed of pseudo-communist "liberals" more rightly called progressives. CLASSICAL liberalism has far more in common with conservatism than progressivism. Unfortunately, we seem to have a choice between only progressives and neo-conservatives.
turnitup5000db 2 years ago
This issue isn't that we don't understand "simple misspellings", the issue is that we have trouble imagining that there are people in this world who spell so badly yet still have enough eye-hand coordination to type. And I won't even begin to address the grammatical meltdown...I don't have the strength...
jerico641 2 years ago
well young turks just lost my views
TravasaurusRex89 2 years ago
Liberals or Conservatives don't know what the hell is right for America anymore. Its like being a liberal Democrat or being a conservative Republican is like being part of a club. Most of the politicians want the power. I'm a moderate Democrat and both of the parties don't know what to stand for anymore. Both parties are equally corrupt. I wish we will have a president in the next for years who will care about the country instead of the party.
Gasparro18 2 years ago
Oh and here is a fun fact for you: your most liberal President has law-enforcement keep looking for people with pocket constitutions. But wait if hes liberal and the people who wrote the constitution were liberal like you said at the beginning wouldnt he like people to carry that around? It really is like you said a topsy-turvy world! No offense but no wonder not that many people watch you.
mrnotorious123 2 years ago
In Thomas Jefferson's day, liberals stood for freedom and liberty so in a way he is right but I believe he was claiming Thomas Jefferson was a liberal by today's standards and that is absolutely wrong. Classical liberals stood for individual freedom, present day liberals stand for big govt.
MrLibertarianAtheist 2 years ago
Three, why is it that when I told a Liberal YouTuber the truth that I am an Independent he said yeah thats what all republicans call themselves. Also, how is it that despite the medias vendetta against Obama opposition, protestors have been proven grass-root republicans ,both conservative and liberal independents, and even conservative-democrats.
mrnotorious123 2 years ago
Two, how is it that every history teacher of mine through Jr. High and college liberal-mostly- and conservative told my class that Thomas Jefferson was known for his republicanism ideals and was for the right to bare arms, had opposition towards the bank of America, was a Christian, was for Indian removal- which meant war, and despite being a abolitionist owned slaves himself. Today and back then that would be considered at least a conservative.
mrnotorious123 2 years ago
Thomas Jefferson was most definately not a christian.He didn't have a very high regard for organized religion.Most historians describe Jefferson as a Deist.
bar730 2 years ago
Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian. He was a deist. He actually edited the bible to make it fit his personal beliefs.
MrLibertarianAtheist 2 years ago
Part I The right has left (LOL, you meant lapped) off the cliff. Theyre so far to the right that now the middle looks like its far left. Its a topsy-turvy world. Thats why we get upset about it. Number one if the right is so far right how come George W. Bush and half of the republican presidential candidates John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, Tom Tancrado, and Ron Paul are considered liberal-republicans.
mrnotorious123 2 years ago
i believe in freedom so fuck off cuss wor haters fuck you you fuckin fucks did anyone die because of that no are you maybe offended awe what a poor lil bunch of people that should just admit they're pussies. im constitutionaly protected to cus, spell checkers on here are big fat wimps too. if you're too stupid to not understand simple misspellings then just admit you're a moron and move on.
gr8indasack69 2 years ago
"It is strange that liberals today claim to be "liberal" but do not embrace the liberal ideas of our country's Founding Fathers and their wisdom of the concept of liberty. Instead they have fallen from that concept and blindly follow socialism, which will eventually lead to the downfall of freedom in America."
Blahblahblah3210 2 years ago
This guy doesnt touch down on the points at all. Liberals are the ones that are trying to put in new regulations that try to tell us (the people) what we can and cant do.
fishcar1 2 years ago
The Founders were NOT liberals. If you think that then you are a retard who never read their works. The Founders were "classical liberals", like Adam Smith. But classical liberalism is not (modern) liberalism, classical liberalism is libertarianism. The Founders would be libertarianism by today's standards not liberals nor conservatives.
ArtinEmil 2 years ago 2
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Fuctmentality 1 year ago
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@ArtinEmil Our founding fathers were liberals, Liberal means in favor of destroying/changing the traditional institutions, conservative means in favor of the current structure or restoring old institutions. The founding fathers were radical left wing loons, yes they were followers of classical liberalism (for the most part) today what we call libertarianism, but for there day they were liberals.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@ArtinEmil
No kidding... this guy is a complete idiot.
youngbono18 1 year ago
@youngbono18 Actually Cenk is a smart guy, I like him (even though I am not a liberal), but he is just dead wrong in this clip. However, the main founders were not religious. They were diests. That is pretty much identical to being an atheist.
ArtinEmil 1 year ago
@ArtinEmil
I will respect your opinion... but you are a little bit off. Washington was a devout Christian, James Madison was Episcopalian, Samuel Adams was Congregationalist, Thomas Jefferson was a deist (but he said he believed in God many times, and even supported Christian principles) Very few actually deists (even Wikipedia goes over that) They ALL wanted SMALL government (unlike modern liberals) and ALL believed that traditional morality was key to our survival.
youngbono18 1 year ago
@youngbono18 Hello, watch this: watch?v=nfpJRVdWB1w
You are quite wrong.
ArtinEmil 1 year ago
@ArtinEmil
Afraid not. I am a history major, and have read almost everything that the main founders wrote from cradle to grave.
If you would like to hear it from their own mouths, I would gladly send you some books for free. I have about 300 that go over their OWN writings and ideas.
youngbono18 1 year ago
@ArtinEmil
Religious Affiliation of the Signers
Episcopalian/Anglican 32, 57.1%
Congregationalist 13, 23.2%
Presbyterian 12, 21.4%
Quaker 2, 3.6%
Unitarian or Universalist 2, 3.6%
Catholic 1, 1.8%
TOTAL 56 100%
youngbono18 1 year ago
@ArtinEmil
of the 56 men that signed the Deceleration... only 2 were considered Deist.
Jefferson and Franklin.
Look it up
youngbono18 1 year ago
Liberals seek to impose their views on everyone. Conservatives feel people can decide for themselves.
This guy has either has no clue or has an evil agenda to CONTROL others.
AlyBlack 2 years ago
What the fuck are you talking about? The people that want to tell gays they can't marry, women they can't have abortions, and people that they can't do drugs feel people can decide for themselves? WTF!?
hitballfootler 2 years ago
So you prefer the FEDERAL GOV'T to control 50% of the US Economy, have all the weapons, take more and more of any hardworking successful persons income and power over every aspect of our lives. Health care, student loans, schools, military, police, energy taxes, fees upon fees.
Many of us happen to agree that abortion and sexual orientation is a private decision. And feel free to keep hitting the bong and removing yourself from society, your family and life in general, you have that right too.
AlyBlack 2 years ago
My point is that conservatives and liberals want to tell people what to do. You act like it's only liberals. If you are a capitalist who believes in social freedom as far as abortion and gay marriage the you're not a conservative you're a libertarian.
hitballfootler 2 years ago
It's only liberals who are organized and planning to take over control of the country. And here you are TELLING ME what I am. I happen to be a person, who thinks for herself. And I happen to agree with Libertarians more then most groups, but neocons have it right on when it comes to the war on terrorism, illegal immigration and civil defense.
AlyBlack 2 years ago
If neocons had control of congress and the oval office they would be organized and planning to "take control of the country".
I would consider you a libertarian because of what you've told me about your stance on the issues.
hitballfootler 2 years ago
Lets see how long Liberal democratic control lasts with the poor policies they are planning to pass, if they don't destroy this great nation first.
Again, it is Liberals who are plotting to STEAL the income of people who earn a good living and give it to losers who will then only rely on more gov't handouts. You want a nanny state to take care of you instead of growing up.
Conservatives took care of defense by going after the terrorists, you PC liberals/Union lovers are the problem.
AlyBlack 2 years ago
Conservatives have all there problems too like supporting the war on drugs, wanting to make federal laws to ban gay marriage, Bushes tax cuts for the rich a long time ago etc.
All I'm saying is both parties suck. It isn't just dems like you're saying.
hitballfootler 2 years ago
And save your "F" bombs for your friends, this is a public forum and your potty mouth is offensive.
AlyBlack 2 years ago
Cenk swears on theyoungturks shows all the time. Why shouldn't I be able to swear in their comment section?
hitballfootler 2 years ago
You can do whatever you want, and I can tell you that swearing shows no class. You say you are 24, well it's time to grow up and show some class. No one takes "F" bomb users seriously.
If "Cenk" curses, he is an idiot. But you have shown who your role models are so I'm not surprised.
Anyway, you are wasting my time so don't expect another reply, I'm done with you.
AlyBlack 2 years ago
Just maybe the neighbor couldn't stand Frost, I could see that happening with liberals. You never mind your own business and for some god awful reason, you all think you are better. You let your white guilt from having more than someone else that it really clouds your thinking. Of course yopu make more money than that poor guy so let see if we can't pass legislation and get the gov;t to tax small biz and every other form of biz that's run mainly by republicans bc they have an entrepenural spirit
azrael8585 2 years ago
Liberals of the 1700's believed in Freedom, Private Property, Limited Government, and right to own guns. Conservatives of teh 1700's believed in Big Government, Little Private Property, and were generally against freedom to keep their power! Liberals of the 1700's would be called "Conservatives" today, while Conservatives of the 1700's would be called "Liberals" today. No one knows history anymore. The definition has changed overtime! They were liberal, but would be Conservative today!
volksmarschall 2 years ago
The founding fathers of yesterday would never agree with the huge government liberals of today...not a chance in hell.
opollis 2 years ago 2
@opollis The three largest expansions of government happened under republicans the people who proclaim themselves conservatives. Do not claim that liberals are the ones for big government when by definition a conservative is in favor of the governement
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
thomas jefferson liberal? are you out of your mind? he considered his election to be a 2nd revolution because george washington and john adams centralized goverment so much you are stupid
stopkitten 2 years ago
His assessment of Robert Frost's poem is correct. The neighbor sticks to old formulaic sayings rather than analyze what is actually neccessary in the present.
I attended Robert Frost Junior High (Middle) School in Rockville, Maryland.
somersetdc 2 years ago
This obviously a clever guy, but he uses his smarts to come to wrong conclusions... which [in the end] isn;t smart at all - the question is are conservatives wall builders or do liberals have boundary issues? Just look at our world today with the indiscriminate behavior with the relativistic way they approach making moral considerations is an abomination to reason - they simply reject them... there is no evil, there is no good. But if there is evil, America somehow cause it. That's a shame...
justaproducer 2 years ago
I nearly soiled my drawers when I saw this
africanbully 2 years ago
good fences make good neighbors, but not allways democrats believe. conservatives support laws that would force all residences to have fences around them. there is nobody (everyone says to me dont say nobody) THERE IS NOBODIE except you who will say this is even close to some kind of factual statment. maybe you should be "the lying turks"
GSpocK1 2 years ago
Judging by your spelling mistakes and, shall we call it "creative" grammar you are a....donkey?
Ahh yes...the famous 'fence' analogy, what would be a more perfect comparison between complex political beliefs than...fences.
In fact, people are saying "Never say nobody" they're saying "Shut up you fool and read a book".
AlbanZap 2 years ago 2
AlbanassZap #1 bad spellers should not be able to post,so you are apposed to free speech?. #2 "you are a donkey" look up "ad hominem". #3 "one person wants to tear down fence between property, one does not". in that context fence is not used as an analogy. "conservatives always want fences, walls, and wars" search "Reagan brandenburg" every US war of 20th century except 1 started under democrats #4 just read "liberty and tyranny" by Levin and "culture of corruption"by malkin #5 who is a fool?
GSpocK1 2 years ago
ok let me get this straight, conservatives like democrats are not always right, that history proves somewhere in the center is politically correct, but the conservatives are so far right that the center is, or looks like it is liberal to you. that is so laughably Orwellian that it goes beyond funny right into disturbing. and we are all a little more stupid just for hearing it. why is it important for your nationality to be in your name "the young turks" sounds like you are "young racist" to me.
GSpocK1 2 years ago
Cenks nationality is american. his ethnicity is turkish. "The Young Turks" is an appropriate description.
RichOrElse 2 years ago
Robert Frost was a conservative who, I believe changed later in his life. Anyway, its kind of a false dichotomy. I see how people vote back and forth. Whatever. Call yourself what you want. What do I care?
AhYaOk 2 years ago
This guy only understands the modern definition of "liberal" and "conservative", because by the classic definition all of the founders were conservative, especially Jefferson. You have to understand that saying "conservative" or "liberal" back then was exclusively in regards to money. That's why libertarians, for example are fiscal conservatives and social liberals, etc. Much like Jefferson, whom their beliefs are largely modeled after.
Garboth 3 years ago
Sigh, this show needs to stop being biased.
AznSensation90 3 years ago
yes the middle
RichOrElse 2 years ago
What a clueless schmuck.
PompaTG 3 years ago 2
Liberal and Conservative have changed thier meaning.
schatzi321 3 years ago 2
First off, this is the most boring conversation I've ever heard. No wonder Air America is broke. Second, to say that Jefferson was a "liberal" (I'm talking about Modern Liberals, not traditional liberals) is so far off base that it's hardly worth commenting on. But to sum up, all the Founding Fathers, including Jefferson were 1st & formost for FREEDOM, esp. Free Markets. Modern liberals & socialist abhor freedom & promote opression & poverty. But again, this guy is just boring & stupid.
jbc95 3 years ago
Your founding fathers and your great presidents were all aware of the dangers of corporate power and foreign banking interests, and sought to protect the US from them. Never mind 'liberal' or 'conservative'. Those terms were and are irrelevant. The corporations and the banks are all powerful, and they dictate the direction of all US policy. Your freedom is an illusion. Jefferson would turn in his grave if he knew how his country had been hijacked, undermined, betrayed, and bankrupted.
Rosafanta 3 years ago
I agree w/ much of what you said. The FF would be upset about where we are now fiscally. But what the FF were more afraid of was government acquiring too much power. As far as corporate/banking powers, you have the power & freedom to choose not to do business with them. You have the freedom to start a new business & counter their "power." That's whats so great about free markets. Our freedom is still alive today & not an illusion. Though, I agree it is diminishing b/c of govt. power.
jbc95 3 years ago
Well I'm glad to see that we're kind of on the same page, but I have to say that you can't simply opt out of this. The ones with the ultimate power are the federal reserve. And who are they? The corporates select the government from amongst themselves and the government is at the mercy of the FRB. And if you are going to start a business, then from where are you going to get the finance to start it up? When they watch us do the liberal vs conservative thing, they see tic-tac-toe.
Rosafanta 3 years ago
yes and the banks should let the free market decide there fate. the government should insure the money on deposit and and get out of banking business including freddy and fanny. the only reason jefferson would be "rolling over in his grave is because we are close to 1,000,000,000,000.oo US of the taxpayers money going to bail out the banks and other big corporations.
GSpocK1 2 years ago
Interesting that he claims that Jefferson and Madison, etc., were "no question - liberals"... and then he goes on to say that conservatives are "so far to the right that they make the middle look far left". Conservatives, by-and-large have not changed all that much... at least not to the RIGHT. If they have changed over the years, it has been to the LEFT. The LEFT, however, has changed DRAMATICALLY. A "leftist" Jefferson would be HORRIFIED by the EXISTENCE of a Barney Frank in congress.
BBCater 3 years ago 3
Yes, You have nailed it.
foamulator 3 years ago
check jonathan haidt
oratorspeaker 3 years ago
Robert Frost also said this - A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.
PrimetimeSheed 3 years ago 2
Liberals are the ones that started the KKK...
xaozzz 3 years ago
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sometimes religion is what politics needs. some descions should be made based on what the bible says. alot of the tough issues are spelled out easily in the bible so y not use it.
notfatamfluffy 3 years ago
Because not everyone believes that a book can answer everything. A lot of people actually like to think for themselves.
VicusRyu2 3 years ago 4
I'm not liberal or conserative. Liberals are weak, arrogant, and condesending. Conservatives are ignorant, traditional, and always bringing religon in to politics. Thats why I'm a moderate Democrat.
Gasparro18 3 years ago
How about the libertarians? It's sad we have a 2 party system, I'm tired of deciding who is the lesser of two evils. Perhaps we are better off getting rid of all incumbants?
joe035 3 years ago
Third parties? They really don't do anything. They're just there. Our country functions perfectly with the two party system. I'm a Democrat and I would never vote a third party canadiate into office. I really don't know they're policies and I really don't want to research them either. I understand what you're saying its like hotdog or hamburger.
Gasparro18 3 years ago
carrect me if im wrong but im gonna make an example.lenin took socialism into his country and it led to more deaths than were commited by hitler. communism as a social and economic program fails. russia is now one of the most corrupt governments in the world.i live in alaska and we dont get mexicans we get illegal russians. wat does that say to you. they fricken crossed an ocean to escape russia. how sad is that. i agree that a middle ground might work but socialism should have no part in it.
notfatamfluffy 3 years ago
a little known fact is that facism was created along the same lines as liberalism. karl marx a liberal created the worst social program now known as communism. there is room for a few liberal ideas but overall there needs to be a main conservative outlook.
notfatamfluffy 3 years ago
facism and communism are liberal ideas taken to the extreme...however, communism is in theory a very good idea "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need", actually implementing socialism has been the problem which leaves you with things like the berlin wall, siberian labor camps, and the "great leap forward". balance is th key. "a main conservative outlook" is what we have had since bush took office and that is not the answer.
mrfrymcflubbs 3 years ago
The problem with communism/socialism is in the syntax. "To each according to his need" should be replace with "To each according to his EFFORTS". "TO" is a powerful word in this equation. It suggest a distribution - a redistribution, more accurately. It implies a benevolent entity that gets to make that all-important decision of "need" versus "effort". Effort is FAR easier to measure than NEED. My PARENTS were - by definition - responsible to decide what I needed. My government - NEVER!
BBCater 3 years ago 4
'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.' - Ronald Reagan
Liberals are ruining the world, big difference between Liberals is.. well let me use an example, if terrorist threatened the U.S.A. with a bomb, a liberal.. would negotiate, a conservative would say fuck off or kiss your ass goodbye. Liberals think they can reason with everyone, and let's face it, people such as the leader of Iran... are very radical.
iwatchmassvideo 3 years ago
You watch too much fox. Terrorists didn't threaten us that they would hijack our planes and ram them into our shit. If the terrorists have something planned they don't tell us about it. Anti-terrorism is about keeping weapons materials out of terrorist's hands. This very well could take negotiation, not with terrorists, but with government leaders who could potentially sell weapons. The people calling Iran a threat are the same ones that called Iraq a threat, it is total bull shit.
andiconda3 3 years ago
Ok, I'm tired of all you liberals blaiming fox news, it's about the only republican conservative media company out there and that's why they always get shit. 90% of the media is for democrats and liberals thats the only reason obama is where he is. I believe Iraq and Afghanistan was a strategic spot to have because now look at Iran, they're surrounded literally, they are a threat, they are developing nuclear bombs, and they want Israel off the map. It's a powderkeg for a new world war.
iwatchmassvideo 3 years ago
As far as we can tell, their nuclear weapons program ended in 2003. The IAEA has done numerous checks on Iran's nuclear energy program and have found no leaks for nuclear materials to disappear. Their peaceful nuclear advancement is fairly transparent and to top it all off, the USA helps fund it. I am willing to change my opinion of Iran, if you can show some PROOF that they are dangerous.
andiconda3 3 years ago
You are a fool if you actually believe all this you just wrote. There is overwhelming evidence that Iran is actively pursuing a nuclear weapons program, including their own leader's rants as he brags about their nuclear program. Why would France & Germany (not very conservative leaders there) be seeking to get Iran to destroy their nuclear facilities if they didn't have one to destroy??? THINK!!! OPEN YOUR MIND AND THINK!!! DEVELOP RATIONAL THINKING SKILLS!!!
jbc95 3 years ago
stop repeating the right wing talking points... iran is not looking to attack anyone and is only making nuclear power to improve its environment. ahmadinejad does not want to attack america and doesnt want to death to anybody. that is just his way to create hysteria and panic among people. he loves to talk shit, that is just how he is. furthermore, he doesnt even have the ability or let alone jurisdiction to start a war with any country or declare it. that is the job of the leader of iran.
GstateBALLER925 3 years ago
PROVE THEY'RE DANGEROUS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Iran's leader just about daily promises Israel will fall and launched a ballistic missle-test showing they can reach Israel after the country said they did not want to war with Israel? They got so much fucking heat from that move because it was completely un-called for. We need to stop fucking appeasing terrorists like him like we did Hitler and have the balls to take them out befor they're a threat.
iwatchmassvideo 3 years ago
You moron. The founders were LIBERTARIANS not Liberals. They understood the importance of small government and low taxes in order to safe guard economic and civil freedoms. This guy is an idiot.
TimeWarp66 3 years ago
Youi know, I am sick and tired of labeling conservatives and liberals! Fight together dammit!
padude64 3 years ago
Classical liberals including some of our Founders were opposed to government interference in economics. They were for limited government and free markets among other things. Conservatives these days say they are for these things but in truth they are for what the conservatives of their day were for, government grant of privilege, monopoly and subsidy of the wealthy and what we today call the private sector, big business and corporations. Today's liberals fail to call them on this???
ourearthhome 3 years ago