Christopher Hitchens on Charlie Rose 25-Feb-04 (Part 1)

[glower125]

LOL THIS ZIONIST ASSHOLE IS PANDERING TO JEWS BUT IF SOMETHING EVIL WRITTEN ABOUT CHRISTIANS OR MUSLIMS HE WOULD SUPPORT IT 100%.

[ExtremeBogom]

Thanks for the upload

[amatuerarabist]

The following are fun facts: 1. Jesus was Northern/Western European looking dude 2. Jesus wore crocs.

[axcessnews]

@amatuerarabist - he also rode a Harley.

[DanLightning]

I like how everyone in The Passion is white - it makes me feel good knowing that Jesus was a white man, for I am an ignorant, self-righteous christian.

[LondonPride25]

Mel Gibson has directed one decent film that I've seen - Apocalypto. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I also watched The Passion of the Christ and found it to be hysterical, exploitative, manipulative shite.

[terratrema]

@LondonPride25

I agree whole heart ed lay.

Apocalypto was thrilling, adventurous, slightly-surreal and wholly-engaging stuff. But Braveheart is almost unwatchably syrupy and exasperating (and I say this as a Scottish person eh), The Passion was actually boring, if I'm gonna be quite frank, and I can't really remember The Man With No Face, or whatever it was called, so I guess that means it's unmemorable.

His movies are always "well-made" but mostly uninspired, apart from that one awesome one.

[YesYou123333]

Hahahaha...Hitchens hoped nobody would go see it. How much did the movie gross? I think it was hovering around 1/2 Billion dollars.

[rationalsalvation]

1 dislike. Gibson was here.

[ilovebaconsandwiches]

The movie should have been called "Saving Private Jesus"

[luarionte]

I completely agree with Hitchens!

I just don't understand one thing: why the surprise with a movie called Passion of Christ? What i mean is that there had been dozens of movies about the passion made before this one that basically told exactly the same thing as Mr Gibson's movie (except much less gory of course).

[terratrema]

Mounting a crusade against Mel Gibson is beneath Christopher Hitchens' talents. Why did he (Hitchens) waste so much time on him (Gibson)?

It all must've been something to do with Hitchens' railing against fascist Catholics rather than spending any time against fascist Jews and their sympathisers who try to occupy and dismember the West Bank of Jordan.

Nice to know where your true priorities lie, Christopher. A Catholic (tangible) crime vs a Jewish (less-popularly offensive) one.

Be fair.

[Averagegamer100]

@terratrema Except Hitchens has said a number of times that he thinks Zionism is a stupid idea. Just type in Hitchens Israel in google to see his opinion on it.

[SeeProfileForDetails]

@terratrema "Christian Science teaches that the "allness" of God denies the reality of sin, sickness, death, and the material world. Accounts of healing through prayer are common within the church and adherents traditionally refuse medical treatment. "

[terratrema]

@SeeProfileForDetails

Thanks for that, but I don't get the relevance. Gibson is not a Christian Scientist. He's some sort of ultra-Catholic.

Anyway, I have no idea why I wrote what I wrote 8 months ago. Certainly can't remember writing it. And I know fine well that Hitchens has said his piece on the crazy settlers.

Perhaps I was drunk when I wrote it. Both Gibson and Hitchens like a drink too, you know.

[SeeProfileForDetails]

@terratrema A person in this video is from the christian science monitor, I wrote my post to you just as humor, because for some reason you are standing up for christians and against hitchens in this incident

[terratrema]

@SeeProfileForDetails

I think I was just complaining about the amount of time Hitchens has spent on Gibson, who is just a sordid showbiz personality of little relevance.

Hitchens made numerous TV appearances at the time of The Passion, wrote 3 or 4 Slate articles, several Vanity Fair pieces, Gibson is the topic of the opening section of Hitchens' Daniel Pearl Foundation speech, there's stuff about him in Hitchens' anti-God book etc.

It just seems like there are better targets out there.

[SeeProfileForDetails]

@terratrema Uh because it is a popular movie and many people go to theatres so he is targeting the masses which is good. Shouldn't the masses be educated ? yes.

[terratrema]

@SeeProfileForDetails

Hitchens spent alot of time and ink on Gibson AS A PERSON. The film itself doesn't take up alot of space on Hitchens' potfolio. Look it up if you are interested.

Hitchens tried to use Gibson as a symbol of all that is wrong with Christianity. To me, Gibson as a human being is a talentless, boring, pathetic, uninteresting, washed-up alcoholic who is of little or no interest.

There are better targets out there; I just don't get why Hitchens uses him as a be-all and end-all.

[SeeProfileForDetails]

@terratrema You're on to something.. I think Hitchens dislikes him secretly because he sees himself in Gibson, a drunk washed up alcoholic... lol

[terratrema]

@SeeProfileForDetails

Yeah, they're kindred spirits in a way.

They should get together over a bottle of Talisker and talk it over.

I predict Hitchens would leave as a somewhat ardent atheist, and Gibson would remain a nutcase mega-Catholic.

[bornbillsmith]

@terratrema I don't like Gibson as a person but as an actor and as a film producer he has talent.

[aitch3]

well Ebert liked it for some reason. I don't even want to see it

And now we know that M Gibson is a real good Christian-- right!?

[paragate]

Jesus who??

[Freshhhhh1982]

Really hard to watch film. One of the most unplesant things I have ever witnessed.

[Draeka]

Movie sucks. Religion sucks.  Thankfully Charlie Rose doesn't.

[wilsparky]

I'm athiest but this film was very moving. It was the horrible murder of a dissident thinker as spectacle.

I recently heard a news report from Egypt where a Koptic Christian was literally curcified by muslims because he wouldn't convert. I heard another BBC world service report this very morning about another Koptic Christian who was kidnapped by bedhouin who then broke his leg with pipes and sticks and tried to make him spit on the cross...he refused. He said "I love Jeusus".

[saidthedog]

I love Jeusus too!

[wilsparky]

I don't know about anyone else but I am moved by that...even though I think the logic of it nonesense.

[ThePissedOffAtheist]

The Passion: the greatest sadomasochistic, homoerotic snuff film ever made!

[joeylodes]

true! true!

[simonandtheghost]

Regardless of the beliefs people have in the bible most of its stories are very badly written and are full of plot holes. For example the idea of Christ dying for mankinds sins. It just raises the question : why?? In other words why not just forgive them,.. period. Wasn't all the torture and pain a little unnecessary?? And why appear at such a primitive time in human civilization? No mass communication or recording technology etc. Wouldn't the late 20th century have been much better??

[DeusMerdaeEst]

This movie was almost as good as Conan The Barbarian, but much more violent.

[dharmafreak]

I liked 'the Passion', maybe because I was raised Catholic and the imagery was something those endless, boring hours spent in church on Sunday couldn't replicate...

However, I also like 'The Lord of the Rings', and think of it much in the same way as I do 'the Passion'... an intense, powerful piece of fiction.

As far as anti-semetism, I see none... if you're holding a grudge against a group of people for something that 'happened' 2 millenia ago, you need to get your head examined.

[7855waldo]

The extent to which I want to venture into this enormously complicated subject - not having seen the film - is to note that the sleazy Hollywood execs went NUTS looking at the box office profits being amassed by the film's producers.

And their anguish was a wonderful thing to see, knowing that their objection to the film was solely due to the fact that THEY hadn't made it.

Say, why do a great many of these videos just end in the middle of someone's sent-

[sign84]

Gee, what a balance point of view. All of Rose's guest were against the film.

[RoDJ99]

I don't see why Christians over the years have been so Anti-Semitic? Let's just say the Jews were responsible for the death of Christ, shouldn't they be thanking them? If Christ wasn't executed, where would Christians throw their sins and responsibilities onto?

[randomjunglist]

ah, the christian paradox. there's thousands of em :)

[lombard34]

Well, that's the point, is that Christians generally don't blame the Jews for Jesus' death and that if Gibson does that he is in the minority. And Christianity is not a surrender of responsibility, as you imply.

[SeriousVoyager]

They all missed that a God offered himself for man, instead of man making sacrifices to God (like every other faith.) God offers himself, no man is to blame (Jews or otherwise.)

Hitchens should use his brain to bring something to the world, other than emptiness.

[jemakinc]

You can see a real bias against Jews yet Christ and all His apostles, disciples at that time when Jesus was alive were Jews. Caiphas was appointed by Herod, a pagan, and Caiphas was a corrupt man, a political appointee. The communist Chinese also appointed Christian bishops and a Dalai Llama to lead in Tibet under the occupation by communist Chinese.

[bobjones864]

I actually think the emphasis on sadism is the film's strong point. But the theology and the anti-semitic take on history is stupid. I'm obviously not a Christian though.

[bowanna63]

absolutely fantastic.......keep them coming....has anybody gotten the better of hitchens intelectually...thank you

[unclebwain]

the hitch is god

[warriorprince1010]

Jesus is now ruling under God in heaven. He has done his earthly mission.

[BKeers1234]

So to speak

[Epyon42]

oh man, these guys totally hit the nail on the head