que bosta !!!! eso no es moon moo,es una falta de respeto que lleve el mismo nombre.ese señor no tiene ni idea de la tecnica ITF.enciamesta re loco.que hijo de p...
IF competition is all you think martial arts is about, then go back to the tournament and forget that forms are to teach focus and a few more important things. Now here's a question for you, what do you do if somebody grabs your leg after a kick? Focus on that for a bit. That is how trivial this is here.
Taekwon-Do is getting a bad rep. This is what people see most of the time and don't understand what ITF is about. I've seen Mr. Suska patterns, they are next to flawless
REALLY? So THAT'S why McNeely's Team ALWAYS beat the Poles, Russians, Bulgarians...because he's so watered down. THAT's why GM Park, Jung Tae used to hang with McNeely. Thanks for clarifying that.
I've seen only three or four of GM McNeely's videos of ITF forms performed the old, pre-sine wave way. I think they are among the best performances I've ever seen. Are there any more out there?
One last thing. Taekwondo is only word, true there are sports out there, but only those that train the mind with their art get the real benefits. TKD is only a tool, and a real master knows this, so those that want to squabble and waste your time to make yourself look better, time to look in the mirror.
I know GMM does the true ITF Technique these days and is one of the best TKD technicians I know. IT's easy to say that black is black and white is white but when you spend a lifetime of improving, black isn't really black anymore.
Even between all the old masters back then there were so many variations of technique within the style of TKD that none of them agreed on anything but the name Taekwondo. As evolution has it, The Gen. set out guidelines and it took many, many years for these techniques to filter out over the ITF. Taekwondo is a blend of several arts and those than were around in the older days, know that these older arts were still very visible in the patterns as you can see in this form.
For all those saying "This" or "That" about what what is and what is not here is my opinion not that it matters but here it is. GMM is my senior in TKD and I have known him since 1971. We go back a long way and all those that were around n the 70's know how small the TKD world really is.
I for one am not on here to judge anyone's character especially GM McNeely. We should remember the tenets of TKD, however it seems that TKDwithoutties seems to be lacking courtesy! If someone can help answer this I'd greatly appreciate it. Lets say someone created a new "sport" and I came along and changed it, it would not be the original "sport" that was created, so how can someone not call themselves doing TKD if this is not the way it was created by the General??? please clarify
Brutusstell it would seem that Jtbennet was doing some judgement so "TKDwithoutties seems to be lacking courtesy" is a little out of place. General Choi promoted the now Grand Master McNeely to that rank. If the General was still with us, you could take up this matter with him.
As they posted it was a "training video from the "80's" Give it a break already. Look at what he is doing today at age 50. Research the history of what happened in 1955 when the name Taekwon Do was invented. That is why there is a WTF and ITF and some did not agree on the name of Taekwon Do . General Choi with the pioneers Nam Tae Hi, Park Jung Tae, and Kong Yong IL to name a few, brought Taekwon Do to where it is today.
I am not WTF but WTF holds the Taekwon Do name in the "Olympics" (Who's to say "I am the only one doing TKD correctly? I am not.)There are many facets to the Art of Taekwon Do and to each their own.
I had to join youtube just for this ONE comment on behalf of Grand Master McNeely. Yes, he is a Gentleman and a True Grand Master not only in technique but in how he treats others. If you ever have the pleasure to meet him or see him in action you will know this to be true. Thank you Sir, it has been a privilege to know you and watch and learn from you over the years. I hope to lead by your example.
Gen Choi promoted this Master to this rank "So what you are saying is Gen Choi did not know what he was doing?" Gen Choi also knew this Master personally.
Jtbennet, this pattern was filmed when you were still in diapers pooping green.
Why don't you take a look a some stuff posted under Scott McNeely that is new and done at the age of 50. Check out the speed, flexibility and precision of the gentleman. Then say "this is not taekwon-do,!!!"
This video was made maybe in the early 80's before the changes were made...
So, jtbennet be careful where words are written and can be seen all over the World, in case you offend someone that you may run across one day or one of their many Instructors. GM McNeely has Demonstrated and is still Demonstrating the ART of Taekwon Do all over the world. What have you done for the ART except insult it.
Makes you look petty and make the ART look undivided.
Jtbennet, this pattern was filmed when you were still in diapers pooping green.
Why don't you take a look a some stuff posted under Scott McNeely that is new and done at the age of 50. Check out the speed, flexibility and precision of the gentleman. Then say "this is not taekwon-do,!!!"
Jtbennet, this pattern was filmed when you were still in diapers pooping green.
Why don't you take a look a some stuff posted under Scott McNeely that is new and done at the age of 50. Check out the speed, flexibility and precision of the gentleman. Then say "this is not taekwon-do,!!!"
Ugh, this is...not very good. His bending ready stances are strange, to say the least, his movement is far too fast on everything but the slow-motion techniques, he brushes completely over the first pressing blocks in the beginning, and some moves seem incomplete...kicks are impressive, but they don't make the pattern.
Yes it was...This was his style before training with GM Park Jung Tae. He was just in the gym training and a friend filmed it for practice. This was made in the 80's and he is still in the GYM training everyday and demonstrating as you can see from other post.
This was just for "fun" in the GYM and it got posted on youtube and has had a lot of TALK...I believe he was on the board of directors for ICTF at one time. All I know is he is still doing Taekwon Do ALL over the World and loves doing it. He is still making a difference by promoting the art, you would never see him degrade another Taekwon Do practitioner in public. He is not only a Grand Master but a Gentleman.
Sine Wave is not traditional! McNeely uses and the USTF does the patterns the way they were made, before Choi introduced Sine Wave! Which is useless and Choi only invented it to differentiate taekwondo from other martial arts at the time. Sine Wave uses many un-needed movements and creates bad habits. Too much bouncing. It is ineffective! Educate yourself!
I have had the honor of training with GM McNeely. He is not ONE of the best ... he is THE best martial artists I have ever trained with and Im an ITF black belt. You mention sinewave... check out the Pioneers of Taekwon-do giving the first demo ever of Taekwon-do. We should strive to be like this Gent.
This version of Moon Moo is terrible! Ok, the kicks are good, but the rest of the movements are... well, wrong! Check out "ITF Moon Moo" for the REAL version!
This is the REAL version. No Sine-Wave. This is Tradtional. Sine wave is NOT. Choi invented sine wave as a way to differentiate taekwondo from other martial arts. It is still new, and is completely useless! Look up the channel KoreaTKD to see the patterns as they are supposed to look like! Without all the un-needed motion and ineffective bouncing! Educate yourself!
I never said sine wave was the real way to do patterns. But so-called Grand Master here can't even finish on the correct spot, which is fundamental to proper tul training.
You said check out "ITF" Moon Moo for the "Real" version, don't attempt to cover up your ignorance by stating he didn't finish on the right spot, you were implying sine wave is the traditional way to do taekwondo patterns! If you want to get technical, I have yet to see Moon Moo done where the person lands EXACTLY back on their spot, and likewise, at this point in his career he was not known as Grand Master. Ignorance is a breeding ground for hate.
But the fact is, McNeely didn't finish on the right spot in this pattern, therefore he didn't perform it correctly as per the instructions of the pattern. An individual must conform to the instructions of the pattern, not the other way round. If you believe it to be different, then clearly you are the ignorant one. And if you haven't seen anyone land exactly back on the same spot in Moon Moo then you need to get out more. Watch Arek Homanczuk do it.
Tkdmaestro...Grand Master McNeely has been training longer than you have been on this earth. Gen Choi promoted this "So-Called" Master and he was promoted by Grand Master Nam Tae Hi, Grand Master Kong and many, many other Grand Master pioneer's from around the World sat on his testing panel. Grand Master McNeely "Tested" He was not "given" the rank of 9th Degree and he tested along with 70 of HIS 5th Degree's and above.
I've always felt that sine wave produced more power and was an obvious improvement, whether it is traditional or not. The improvement is really obvious in breaking techniques, but each to their own.
sine wave is merely a ploy cooked up by Choi near the end to differentiate and make more money off seminars. Any movement not in the direction of the target is wasted energy. It is simple physics: Force=Mass x Acceleration in a specific direction.
Tell you what-- I'll spar you, you use sine wave in real life sparring and I'll simply direct force with speed directly at you...
"I'll spar you, you use sine wave in real life sparring..." That comment just shows what an idiot you really are. Any decent TKD practitioner understands patterns don't have any direct transfer of skill to sparring, they are an exercise in themselves. Wait, unless your super-awesome non-sine wave patterns are the exception to this rule?
The "Sine Wave" was developed by "Gen Choi" to differentiate between the different styles of TKD. The "Sine Wave" used in the ITF patterns was used for that purpose. "Sine Wave" has nothing to do with sparring or board breaking. To think one way is the only way is very narrow minded. To prefer one way over the other is your choice. Just enjoy the sport the way you interpret it.
The uniform is the way the USTF wore theirs in the 80's, similar to the old ATA, both if which came from ITF. The thick collar is certified instructor, the black stripe denotes 4th degree or higher.
You are correct. GrandMaster McNeely started out in ATA and left in the early 80's. Grand Master Park Jung Tae then became his instructor. This is the reason for thr change in styles.
I've trained with GMM as well. I've been to over 12 states, 9 countries, spanning 3 continents and I'd have to say that GMM is the best in the world. I even trained with Grandmasters in Korea with the US Army 2ID TKD Team and I'd take him over the Koreans any day of the week.
oh and i thought the form should end where he started. I had that problem when i was a green belt so many years ago. Other then that good power, he just rushed through the form to much at the end.
Strong form, I seen GM Mcneely perform recently n hes gotten a lot better, But in this demonstration he seems to be a little to tensed and "Rushing" through the form a bit. Still better then most people I've seen. I give him a 8/10! better then mines of course!
I have been privilaged to train with GMM for several years, and I have trained with several different instructors. If you wanted world class instruction, along with demonstration and explanation of why a technique was effective, then you would certainly ask GMM. I am honored to have trained with him and will use this video to learn this pattern as I have just received my 4th and will aspire to do it as well as he does here (fat chance of that!!)
McNeely was my chief instructor for 10 years. He is WORLD CLASS Tae Kwon Do. He was in Karate Illustrated,1977 fighting PKA of Joe Corley's. He's is cross-trained in more arts than most folks ever heard of. Not from a book, Jiu-Jitsu from Gracies and Machados, Philipine from Remy Presas, Inosanto ,Mark McFann, etc. That film looks like around 1980 to 1985 to make a guess. He's got a bud in Tennessee named Whitlow that fought Billy Blanks when on Team Budweiser. They know their stuff!
Look, you guys that are haters of this video - go somewhere else. This is an old workout tape from the 80's, not a demo or a demonstration for the public, hence the sleeves being rolled up etc... It was about training the form. all real ones out there know about making adjustments focus and things like that. Now all you that are perfect cast the first stone. The real ones "Do" and understand.
Here are my credentials... raised by a Korean mother who still has the identification tattoo on her left arm from her Korean military service. TKD - now? Not sure what it is, but in Korean and to Koreans its CHARACTER and INTEGRITY. If true TKD lives within the commenting crowd then this bickering would have never started...
I can hold my own... trust me on that one. And here is my position... if you're not Korean shut up about what you know about being Korean and about our sacred Taekwondo....
"if you're not Korean shut up about what you know about being Korean and about our sacred Taekwondo.... "
Hmmmmmmmmm, interesting comment. First of all, I defy you to point to where I claimed to be Korean. Secondly, I wonder if you would say such things to non-Korean Taekwon-do masters if they were standing in front of you. Sure, you claim you can "hold your own", but I suspect you would show more respect in a real life situation.
karmannqhia the "no disrespect was ment to you." These guys are talking trash and can't back it up. They don't realize that when they trash the pioneers they trash TaekwonDo itself.
Crenshawone is very respected as I am sure you are. Sorry again.
So you are saying that mcneely and crenshawone are pioneers of taekwon-do? Upon what do you base this claim? Owning a McDojo does not make one a "pioneer".
"These guys are talking trash and can't back it up. They don't realize that when they trash the pioneers they trash TaekwonDo itself. Crenshawone is very respected as I am sure you are."
So you are saying that mcneely and crenshawone are pioneers of taekwon-do? Upon what do you base this claim? Owning a McDojo does not make one a "pioneer". Sorry.
Ok, here's the entire comment made by Taekwondo With Outties:
"TKDwithoutties (21 minutes ago) karmannqhia the "no disrespect was ment to you." These guys are talking trash and can't back it up. They don't realize that when they trash the pioneers they trash TaekwonDo itself.
Crenshawone is very respected as I am sure you are. Sorry again. "
My "trash talking" has been limited to performance shown in this video. Point to the place where I trashed the pioneers. Please... I dare you.
They are the one that promoted Grand Master McNeely and when you said Grand Master "My ASS" is when you trashed the pioneers that promoted him including General Choi that sighned his 6th dan certificate. Go back and read if you are able and see where this started.
In fact, all of my negative comments have no place in a healthy discussion at all. Grandmaster McNeely is senior to me, and although I belong to a different organization, I should show more respect to him and his students. I am sorry for my bad behavior over the last several days.
IJ69 I started TKD in 76. I make no claims about being this or that. My experience is all I have. Along the way I have fought with some of the best martial artist on the planet on the pro level. Today, being retired since "92, I still train with some of the meanest mma guys around if you've seen EliteXC that's the caliber I'm speaking of. I don't talk trash. I would welcome you to Little Rock anytime for some training.
"This pattern was before he started training with GM Park Jung Tae. "
It seems you know a bit of Grand Master McNeely's history. Can you tell me if GrandMaster McNeely train under Allen Steen or someone from the Jhoon Rhee system prior to training with GM Park?
I am not sure about all this moon moo, poo poo, me choo or whatever. But I am 100% positive that not one single comment made before my post was made by a person OF KOREAN BLOOD - this is what appalls me. Which one of you speak from a true Korean blood line eh?
KIMCHEE UP! Losers.... and as I've seen posted earlier... get a life - a KOREAN one at that - and then show off your moo moo with your poo poo while you choo choo....
I do know this pattern, I have read the book. I'm sure that the General's Taekwondo on the day he died was not the same Taekwondo he taught after ww2. If your martial art is not alive and only on the pages of a book, that's your fault.
LOL, Bassira. My favourite bit is where he pulls up his pant leg so he can throw a side kick at :34 And what is the second to last technique he throws? It is most certainly not what General Choi wrote in the book. Grand Master my ASS.
Also, I find it that this "master" rolls his sleeves up so his dobok top will "pop" more on his hand techniques, he changes his breathing on virtually every technique, he bobbles on the slow motion kicks, and he ends up about 5 steps to the right, and 8 steps forward of where he started. I thought Taekwon-do patterns started and ended in the same place. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
Please come to Dallas and visit and see if his dobok only pops with his sleeves rolled up. You and IJ69 know so much come and pay a visit or post your own and let's take a look. You both must be Grand Master's.
IJ69 up your med's you are getting a little crazy over a "tul" and you can't seem to stop yourself...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I listed 4 basic problems with this version of Moon Moo (and I haven't even started yet), and the only response you have is that Mr. Mcneely doesn't always roll up his sleeves. Why in the world would I want or need to travel several thousand miles to observe a person performing poor patterns when I can do that very thing here? Hmmmmmmmm?
1) This has been the most amusing 2 weeks of my life. I really do thank you arm-chair warriors for bringing such a smile to my face! - I did not know that so many of you have learned your TULS from books. Thats great! Do you ever look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself; "With all this reading I do, why can't I fight my way out of a wet paper bag?" Just wondering...
2) IT'S A PATTERN THAT WAS DONE 30 YEARS AGO!This man is still going strong and has DEF. approved with age.. What were you bookworms doing 30 years ago.. Let me go further!! Patterns, Tuls, HAVE NO FIGHT VALUE WHAT SO EVER! OopS, DID I SAY THAT OUT LOUD, SORRY! So no, don't come all this way to see GMM role his sleeves up, come to get your A## kicked, and please, on the way stop off in TENN. and I will show you some other cool things that you can do with your keyboard!! ~ Guro Billy Brown
"DONE 30 YEARS AGO" ~ Really? "late 80's or early 90's" would be a MAXIMUM of 20 years, and quite possibly less.
"still going strong and has DEF. approved with age" ~ He has "approved" with age? What does he "approve" of now that he did not "approve" of at the time this video was made?
Poor, pathetic, Mr. Guru...I won't hold it against you that you have poor math skills, and do not know the difference between "approve" and "improve". You are, after all, from Tennessee.
"Patterns, Tuls, HAVE NO FIGHT VALUE WHAT SO EVER!" ~ Mr. Guru, I agree 100%...unless, of course, the person doing the pattern is looking to improve their technique, body control, balance, focus, concentration, movement in all directions, etc, etc, etc....THEN, it has everything to do with fight value.
Comments like that normally come from a person who has neither the physical gifts, nor mental ability to perfect their patterns, and thus resort to hitting people with sticks.
Wow, you really do make me laugh. Thank you. Keep fighting those imaginary opponents and reading your books! LOL - My school is always open to you, you are welcome to come see if I have any gifts, my friend! - I will not respond to you again, this Keyboard-Warrior syndrome might be contagious! Enjoy your writing, reading and typing. I'm off to train some of these gifts you mention!
Well, it looks like Bassira missed out on all the fun yesterday, but IJ sure had them all jumping like puppets on a string, LOL. Nice work, IJ, particularly with the quick and easy dispatch of pmatsusa. He came in with guns a blazin' and got his arse handed to him. ROTFLMFAO!!
Instructors and the Grand Masters he repersents. GenePioneers that tested GM McNeely are: General Choi to 6th degree, GM Park Jung Tae 7th and 8th, GM Nam Tae Hi, GM CHO SAN MIN , GM C.K. Choi, GM Kong yong Il, G GM WOO YUP YANG, M Kang Dong Won, Kong young Bo Tested to 9th.
This is the Kong Yong Il that traveled with General Choi to 127 countries and and backed up a open challenge to fight anyone and was never defeated. Kong Yong Il is more senior than GM Choi Jung Hwa so it would seem that would not be correct because GM Choi Jung Hwa would not even have been born or an infant at this time. But who knows with politics what people do.
General Choi promoted GMM to 6th Dan so if he is rolling over it is because you hold yourself in such high regard you can't see past the nose on your face. This video was taken about 30 yrs ago.Were training then nikaotkd? Anytime you want to dance with him to this day, step out from the email and visit him or any of his any other instructors around the world. They still train EVERYDAY without fail and GMM was promoted by the pioneers of TKD to 9th degree. Do you hold this rank or credentials?
you tell em smac. I have seen GMM in action since the eighties and I have always thought that he could back up his credentials on the mat unlike a lot of these "arm chair masters"
Who is Mr. McNeely's instructor? Judging solely by this one pattern, I would surmise that his instructor must have come through the Jhoon Rhee system, rather than the actual ITF. Methinks possibly Allen Steen, particularly due to the proximity of each to the other. This is not intended as an attack, it is simply a question.
So let me get this straight...General Choi promoted Mcneely to VI Dan, then the "pioneers" of TKD promoted him to IX? Who, in your mind, is more of a pioneer than the General, himself? And who promoted mcneely to VII and VIII Dan, and on what dates did these promotions occur. Also, what was the date of his promotion to IX, and who were the pioneers you speak of?
How do you PROFANE a form? You arm-chair warriors love to point fingers at this and that, oh he doesn't do it like my "favorite" Master. Grow up guys and be greatful that no two martial artist are the same. Stop bickering behind your keyboards sitting in your thrones, "Arm-Chairs" and start training and becoming a unique martial artist in your own right. - And as for this "Master", he is one of the most dynamic and explosive TKD men I have ever met and he has earned that Title!
Did you start taekwondo? or do you even "Really" train? how about a post your moon moo? I've known GMM since the 70's and I have seen a lot of people kick and do taekwondo including many from Korea and I am still in awe of his technique. Grow up.
Well...my, my, my, aren't we special? Just because *you* are in awe of his technique does not mean a damn thing. In fact, several techniques in this pattern are the WRONG technique. I have seen dozens of IV Dans perform this pattern at world championships with much more precision than demonstrated here. Hell, even those who performed less than flawlessly at least performed the correct movements. I give this pattern a 6 on a scale of 1 - 10.
You have some hate issues. Post your MooMoo and lets have a look. Grand Master McNeely was in the gym training 30 years ago and this clip was filmed. What "Tul" were you doing? Did you know General Choi or and of the other Pioneer's of TKD? Why not just be grateful General Choi and the other Pioneers brought TKD where it is today. Look how many lives were touched around the world.
WOW, are these guys really still arguing over this? Amazing. You, there might be other aspects of the arts, other than patterns and tuls that we could also argue about. You do know other stuff, right guys? LOL
I do know this pattern, I have read the book. I'm sure that the General's Taekwondo on the day he died was not the same Taekwondo he taught after ww2. If your martial art is not alive and only on the pages of a book, that's your fault.
crenshawone thanks for the video...I believe Grand Master McNeely has the "book" sighned by General Choi and the other pioneer's. It seems this is why TKD gets such a bad name because people like this make it sound like "tuls" are the only part of TKD.
They are so remote that they don't get out enough to see the real world.
This pattern was before he started training with GM Park Jung Tae.
Even so, great to watch and I hope those guys won't ever beat me up with a "tul"
i go to Bailies tkd and i'm a 2nd degree yellow
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144sandro144 6 months ago
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144sandro144 6 months ago
Oh and btw , teakwando isn't how fast or how strong , but it's in the mind .
tery5432 6 months ago
Just to think , my Instructor learned from him and my dad did to . I will meet him soon . (: I feel so . Idk . Lucky he is really a perfect master :D
tery5432 6 months ago
FU WILLIAMANGLES that is my master right there show some respect
coolstuff68 1 year ago
horrible performance! that´s not Taekwondo ITF! there is not balance, not control, without sine wave, without rithm, without contrast. Pesimo tul..
williamangeles 1 year ago
@williamangeles This was before the sine wave!! What were you doing in 1980?
pmatsusa 11 months ago
loook at the power generated.... awesome
Jazzysingh 1 year ago
ahora cualquier pendejo es GRAN MAESTRO jajajajaja
soytupadre777 1 year ago
que hijo de puta !!!! cara dura
taekwondomln 2 years ago 2
que bosta !!!! eso no es moon moo,es una falta de respeto que lleve el mismo nombre.ese señor no tiene ni idea de la tecnica ITF.enciamesta re loco.que hijo de p...
taekwondomln 2 years ago
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medicinebuddha62770 2 years ago
Thats funny you say! GM Hardin is this mans instructor and at this time, he was winning Gold medals with this "wobbly display" like you call it.
Every thing evolves are it dies. This was 1980....
PMATSRS 2 years ago
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medicinebuddha62770 2 years ago
jerk
agathafan2 1 year ago
IF competition is all you think martial arts is about, then go back to the tournament and forget that forms are to teach focus and a few more important things. Now here's a question for you, what do you do if somebody grabs your leg after a kick? Focus on that for a bit. That is how trivial this is here.
crenshawone 2 years ago
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medicinebuddha62770 2 years ago
@medicinebuddha62770 all mouth
agathafan2 1 year ago
This kind of video depresses me!
Not how TKD should be!
So far from the real thing!
If you want to see how moon moo should be performed type in Jarlosa Suska, or maxim bujold!
1967KMc 2 years ago
THANK YOU...this water downed version is why
Taekwon-Do is getting a bad rep. This is what people see most of the time and don't understand what ITF is about. I've seen Mr. Suska patterns, they are next to flawless
brutussteel 2 years ago
REALLY? So THAT'S why McNeely's Team ALWAYS beat the Poles, Russians, Bulgarians...because he's so watered down. THAT's why GM Park, Jung Tae used to hang with McNeely. Thanks for clarifying that.
karateworld4920 2 years ago
This is 1980 something. And you were what rank then?
karateworld4920 2 years ago
lol
xxzoomzoomxx 2 years ago 2
master mcneely that is one of the best displays of that form that i've seen yet good job, very inspirational
idolwave23 2 years ago 2
He certainly is an inspiration!
atomictkd 2 years ago
I trained with him
that is all
franona 2 years ago
OUT...cannot back to his starting position. But his kick and punch is good and power...
siangyih 2 years ago
I've seen only three or four of GM McNeely's videos of ITF forms performed the old, pre-sine wave way. I think they are among the best performances I've ever seen. Are there any more out there?
giljgilj 2 years ago
One last thing. Taekwondo is only word, true there are sports out there, but only those that train the mind with their art get the real benefits. TKD is only a tool, and a real master knows this, so those that want to squabble and waste your time to make yourself look better, time to look in the mirror.
crenshawone 3 years ago
@crenshawone Taekwondo isn't a sport. Its a martial art.
hukkelipukkeli 8 months ago
I know GMM does the true ITF Technique these days and is one of the best TKD technicians I know. IT's easy to say that black is black and white is white but when you spend a lifetime of improving, black isn't really black anymore.
crenshawone 3 years ago
Even between all the old masters back then there were so many variations of technique within the style of TKD that none of them agreed on anything but the name Taekwondo. As evolution has it, The Gen. set out guidelines and it took many, many years for these techniques to filter out over the ITF. Taekwondo is a blend of several arts and those than were around in the older days, know that these older arts were still very visible in the patterns as you can see in this form.
crenshawone 3 years ago
For all those saying "This" or "That" about what what is and what is not here is my opinion not that it matters but here it is. GMM is my senior in TKD and I have known him since 1971. We go back a long way and all those that were around n the 70's know how small the TKD world really is.
crenshawone 3 years ago 2
I for one am not on here to judge anyone's character especially GM McNeely. We should remember the tenets of TKD, however it seems that TKDwithoutties seems to be lacking courtesy! If someone can help answer this I'd greatly appreciate it. Lets say someone created a new "sport" and I came along and changed it, it would not be the original "sport" that was created, so how can someone not call themselves doing TKD if this is not the way it was created by the General??? please clarify
brutussteel 3 years ago
Brutusstell it would seem that Jtbennet was doing some judgement so "TKDwithoutties seems to be lacking courtesy" is a little out of place. General Choi promoted the now Grand Master McNeely to that rank. If the General was still with us, you could take up this matter with him.
DallasSmac 3 years ago
As they posted it was a "training video from the "80's" Give it a break already. Look at what he is doing today at age 50. Research the history of what happened in 1955 when the name Taekwon Do was invented. That is why there is a WTF and ITF and some did not agree on the name of Taekwon Do . General Choi with the pioneers Nam Tae Hi, Park Jung Tae, and Kong Yong IL to name a few, brought Taekwon Do to where it is today.
DallasSmac 3 years ago
I am not WTF but WTF holds the Taekwon Do name in the "Olympics" (Who's to say "I am the only one doing TKD correctly? I am not.)There are many facets to the Art of Taekwon Do and to each their own.
DallasSmac 3 years ago
I had to join youtube just for this ONE comment on behalf of Grand Master McNeely. Yes, he is a Gentleman and a True Grand Master not only in technique but in how he treats others. If you ever have the pleasure to meet him or see him in action you will know this to be true. Thank you Sir, it has been a privilege to know you and watch and learn from you over the years. I hope to lead by your example.
kic4life 3 years ago 2
this is the sloppiest pattern I have ever seen, Gen Choi designed each move for a specific reason, and sad to say this is not taekwon-do,!!!
jtbennet 3 years ago
Gen Choi promoted this Master to this rank "So what you are saying is Gen Choi did not know what he was doing?" Gen Choi also knew this Master personally.
DallasSmac 3 years ago
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Jtbennet, this pattern was filmed when you were still in diapers pooping green.
Why don't you take a look a some stuff posted under Scott McNeely that is new and done at the age of 50. Check out the speed, flexibility and precision of the gentleman. Then say "this is not taekwon-do,!!!"
TKDwithoutties 3 years ago
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DallasSmac 3 years ago
This video was made maybe in the early 80's before the changes were made...
So, jtbennet be careful where words are written and can be seen all over the World, in case you offend someone that you may run across one day or one of their many Instructors. GM McNeely has Demonstrated and is still Demonstrating the ART of Taekwon Do all over the world. What have you done for the ART except insult it.
Makes you look petty and make the ART look undivided.
DallasSmac 3 years ago
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Jtbennet, this pattern was filmed when you were still in diapers pooping green.
Why don't you take a look a some stuff posted under Scott McNeely that is new and done at the age of 50. Check out the speed, flexibility and precision of the gentleman. Then say "this is not taekwon-do,!!!"
TKDwithoutties 3 years ago
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TKDwithoutties 3 years ago
Jtbennet, this pattern was filmed when you were still in diapers pooping green.
Why don't you take a look a some stuff posted under Scott McNeely that is new and done at the age of 50. Check out the speed, flexibility and precision of the gentleman. Then say "this is not taekwon-do,!!!"
TKDwithoutties 3 years ago
iam not sure but it seems alot of movement here, may affect the balance of theperson doing the movements
TKD si not the only art to use vertical body motion, others rely on body dropping, buti suppose after you drop you have to come back up
wenwu 3 years ago
Ugh, this is...not very good. His bending ready stances are strange, to say the least, his movement is far too fast on everything but the slow-motion techniques, he brushes completely over the first pressing blocks in the beginning, and some moves seem incomplete...kicks are impressive, but they don't make the pattern.
kitkatte87 3 years ago
But maybe it's just the differences in styles. I'm ICTF and this is obviously from some time ago, and things have changed since. Who knows?
kitkatte87 3 years ago
Yes it was...This was his style before training with GM Park Jung Tae. He was just in the gym training and a friend filmed it for practice. This was made in the 80's and he is still in the GYM training everyday and demonstrating as you can see from other post.
TKDwithoutties 3 years ago
This was just for "fun" in the GYM and it got posted on youtube and has had a lot of TALK...I believe he was on the board of directors for ICTF at one time. All I know is he is still doing Taekwon Do ALL over the World and loves doing it. He is still making a difference by promoting the art, you would never see him degrade another Taekwon Do practitioner in public. He is not only a Grand Master but a Gentleman.
TKDwithoutties 3 years ago
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jinglebearr 3 years ago
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Sine Wave is not traditional! McNeely uses and the USTF does the patterns the way they were made, before Choi introduced Sine Wave! Which is useless and Choi only invented it to differentiate taekwondo from other martial arts at the time. Sine Wave uses many un-needed movements and creates bad habits. Too much bouncing. It is ineffective! Educate yourself!
jinglebearr 3 years ago
I have had the honor of training with GM McNeely. He is not ONE of the best ... he is THE best martial artists I have ever trained with and Im an ITF black belt. You mention sinewave... check out the Pioneers of Taekwon-do giving the first demo ever of Taekwon-do. We should strive to be like this Gent.
Dennypie 3 years ago
This version of Moon Moo is terrible! Ok, the kicks are good, but the rest of the movements are... well, wrong! Check out "ITF Moon Moo" for the REAL version!
tkdmaestro 3 years ago
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jinglebearr 3 years ago
This is the REAL version. No Sine-Wave. This is Tradtional. Sine wave is NOT. Choi invented sine wave as a way to differentiate taekwondo from other martial arts. It is still new, and is completely useless! Look up the channel KoreaTKD to see the patterns as they are supposed to look like! Without all the un-needed motion and ineffective bouncing! Educate yourself!
jinglebearr 3 years ago
I never said sine wave was the real way to do patterns. But so-called Grand Master here can't even finish on the correct spot, which is fundamental to proper tul training.
tkdmaestro 3 years ago
You said check out "ITF" Moon Moo for the "Real" version, don't attempt to cover up your ignorance by stating he didn't finish on the right spot, you were implying sine wave is the traditional way to do taekwondo patterns! If you want to get technical, I have yet to see Moon Moo done where the person lands EXACTLY back on their spot, and likewise, at this point in his career he was not known as Grand Master. Ignorance is a breeding ground for hate.
jinglebearr 3 years ago
But the fact is, McNeely didn't finish on the right spot in this pattern, therefore he didn't perform it correctly as per the instructions of the pattern. An individual must conform to the instructions of the pattern, not the other way round. If you believe it to be different, then clearly you are the ignorant one. And if you haven't seen anyone land exactly back on the same spot in Moon Moo then you need to get out more. Watch Arek Homanczuk do it.
tkdmaestro 3 years ago
Tkdmaestro...Grand Master McNeely has been training longer than you have been on this earth. Gen Choi promoted this "So-Called" Master and he was promoted by Grand Master Nam Tae Hi, Grand Master Kong and many, many other Grand Master pioneer's from around the World sat on his testing panel. Grand Master McNeely "Tested" He was not "given" the rank of 9th Degree and he tested along with 70 of HIS 5th Degree's and above.
TKDwithoutties 3 years ago
BTW...Grand Master McNeely was also inducted into the Karate Hall of Fame with Bill "Superfoot" Wallace.
TKDwithoutties 3 years ago
Good History
DallasSmac 3 years ago
I've always felt that sine wave produced more power and was an obvious improvement, whether it is traditional or not. The improvement is really obvious in breaking techniques, but each to their own.
kitkatte87 3 years ago
sine wave is merely a ploy cooked up by Choi near the end to differentiate and make more money off seminars. Any movement not in the direction of the target is wasted energy. It is simple physics: Force=Mass x Acceleration in a specific direction.
Tell you what-- I'll spar you, you use sine wave in real life sparring and I'll simply direct force with speed directly at you...
jinglebearr 3 years ago
Haha, you're so funny.
kitkatte87 3 years ago
"I'll spar you, you use sine wave in real life sparring..." That comment just shows what an idiot you really are. Any decent TKD practitioner understands patterns don't have any direct transfer of skill to sparring, they are an exercise in themselves. Wait, unless your super-awesome non-sine wave patterns are the exception to this rule?
Muppet.
tkdmaestro 3 years ago
The "Sine Wave" was developed by "Gen Choi" to differentiate between the different styles of TKD. The "Sine Wave" used in the ITF patterns was used for that purpose. "Sine Wave" has nothing to do with sparring or board breaking. To think one way is the only way is very narrow minded. To prefer one way over the other is your choice. Just enjoy the sport the way you interpret it.
DallasSmac 3 years ago
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brutussteel 2 years ago
this performance of moon moo is excellent! world class! :)
sycodave11 3 years ago
The uniform is the way the USTF wore theirs in the 80's, similar to the old ATA, both if which came from ITF. The thick collar is certified instructor, the black stripe denotes 4th degree or higher.
MasterMalm 3 years ago
MasterMalm,
You are correct. GrandMaster McNeely started out in ATA and left in the early 80's. Grand Master Park Jung Tae then became his instructor. This is the reason for thr change in styles.
DallasSmac 3 years ago
I've trained with GMM as well. I've been to over 12 states, 9 countries, spanning 3 continents and I'd have to say that GMM is the best in the world. I even trained with Grandmasters in Korea with the US Army 2ID TKD Team and I'd take him over the Koreans any day of the week.
kyosukekusanagi 3 years ago
its itf
zaidje 3 years ago
oh and i thought the form should end where he started. I had that problem when i was a green belt so many years ago. Other then that good power, he just rushed through the form to much at the end.
anhkhoinguyen 3 years ago
Strong form, I seen GM Mcneely perform recently n hes gotten a lot better, But in this demonstration he seems to be a little to tensed and "Rushing" through the form a bit. Still better then most people I've seen. I give him a 8/10! better then mines of course!
anhkhoinguyen 3 years ago
great..................................
amirbaim 3 years ago
I have been privilaged to train with GMM for several years, and I have trained with several different instructors. If you wanted world class instruction, along with demonstration and explanation of why a technique was effective, then you would certainly ask GMM. I am honored to have trained with him and will use this video to learn this pattern as I have just received my 4th and will aspire to do it as well as he does here (fat chance of that!!)
ARTKDGUY 3 years ago
I totally understand about GMM and congrats on the 4th!
crenshawone 3 years ago
Congrats on your 4th Degree!
My instructor has also had the honor to train with GMM.
ThanagarianTragedy 3 years ago
: D Awsome! Hes a grandmaster now! This must be old, cause thats my instructor's pattern, and he is a 4th testing to be 5th degree.
ThanagarianTragedy 3 years ago
YAY
grand master mcneely
with hair :)
chikabamxx 3 years ago 2
McNeely was my chief instructor for 10 years. He is WORLD CLASS Tae Kwon Do. He was in Karate Illustrated,1977 fighting PKA of Joe Corley's. He's is cross-trained in more arts than most folks ever heard of. Not from a book, Jiu-Jitsu from Gracies and Machados, Philipine from Remy Presas, Inosanto ,Mark McFann, etc. That film looks like around 1980 to 1985 to make a guess. He's got a bud in Tennessee named Whitlow that fought Billy Blanks when on Team Budweiser. They know their stuff!
karateworld4920 3 years ago
that was so intense!
franona 4 years ago
My apologies to all I have offended. I will do as DallasSmac suggested, and "remove myself" now. Taekwon.
IJ69 4 years ago
Look, you guys that are haters of this video - go somewhere else. This is an old workout tape from the 80's, not a demo or a demonstration for the public, hence the sleeves being rolled up etc... It was about training the form. all real ones out there know about making adjustments focus and things like that. Now all you that are perfect cast the first stone. The real ones "Do" and understand.
crenshawone 4 years ago
"This is an old workout tape from the 80's, not a demo or a demonstration for the public"
Yet YOU chose to post it in a public forum. If you don't care for comments or discussion, please remove the video. Thank you.
IJ69 4 years ago
public form isn't an instant invitation for the village idiots to come out and play.... so why are you here with your toys?
karmannnghia 4 years ago
"why are you here with your toys?"
What are these "toys" to which you refer? I have none, other than a few puppets and monkeys who jump every time I make a comment.
IJ69 4 years ago
Why don't you "remove" yourself if you don't like it.
DallasSmac 4 years ago
I also like how his mommy sewed his name on the back of his dobok, so he won't lose it. Buwahahahahahahahaaaa.
IJ69 4 years ago
You still here...Thought you took your toys and went to bed...Speaking of mommy does she know you are still up?
DallasSmac 4 years ago
Here are my credentials... raised by a Korean mother who still has the identification tattoo on her left arm from her Korean military service. TKD - now? Not sure what it is, but in Korean and to Koreans its CHARACTER and INTEGRITY. If true TKD lives within the commenting crowd then this bickering would have never started...
karmannnghia 4 years ago
Nice job rallying the troops, crenshawone. Bringing in your wife and another of your flunkies to support your position. Well done.
IJ69 4 years ago
Your mad you don't have any flunkies...We just don't like trash and that is what you are doing. Now go and take your meds like a good boy!
DallasSmac 4 years ago
I can hold my own... trust me on that one. And here is my position... if you're not Korean shut up about what you know about being Korean and about our sacred Taekwondo....
karmannnghia 4 years ago
"if you're not Korean shut up about what you know about being Korean and about our sacred Taekwondo.... "
Hmmmmmmmmm, interesting comment. First of all, I defy you to point to where I claimed to be Korean. Secondly, I wonder if you would say such things to non-Korean Taekwon-do masters if they were standing in front of you. Sure, you claim you can "hold your own", but I suspect you would show more respect in a real life situation.
IJ69 4 years ago
Here's where reality takes place for you pal... this is NOT a real life situation - okay?
And in case you haven't figured out - I am mocking you... duh - with lack of respect.
I always hate having to explain insults to the insulted.... they make it so difficult to land a really good one....
:)
karmannnghia 4 years ago
I agree go take your meds...IJ69
TKDwithoutties 4 years ago
karmannqhia the "no disrespect was ment to you." These guys are talking trash and can't back it up. They don't realize that when they trash the pioneers they trash TaekwonDo itself.
Crenshawone is very respected as I am sure you are. Sorry again.
TKDwithoutties 4 years ago
So you are saying that mcneely and crenshawone are pioneers of taekwon-do? Upon what do you base this claim? Owning a McDojo does not make one a "pioneer".
IJ69 4 years ago
"These guys are talking trash and can't back it up. They don't realize that when they trash the pioneers they trash TaekwonDo itself. Crenshawone is very respected as I am sure you are."
So you are saying that mcneely and crenshawone are pioneers of taekwon-do? Upon what do you base this claim? Owning a McDojo does not make one a "pioneer". Sorry.
IJ69 4 years ago
Okay you really are stupid! And you are showing it! We were talking about the pioneers that promoted GM McNeely. Come back when you are smarter.
DallasSmac 4 years ago
Ok, here's the entire comment made by Taekwondo With Outties:
"TKDwithoutties (21 minutes ago) karmannqhia the "no disrespect was ment to you." These guys are talking trash and can't back it up. They don't realize that when they trash the pioneers they trash TaekwonDo itself.
Crenshawone is very respected as I am sure you are. Sorry again. "
My "trash talking" has been limited to performance shown in this video. Point to the place where I trashed the pioneers. Please... I dare you.
IJ69 4 years ago
I still don't see your Moo Moo...Put up or shut up
DallasSmac 4 years ago
My "Moo Moo?" What is that? You really do make me laugh. Buwahahahahaahahahahaahahaaaa!!
IJ69 4 years ago
It i may quote Ms. Bill...Here's where reality takes place for you pal... this is NOT a real life situation - okay?
And in case you haven't figured out - I am mocking you... duh - with lack of respect.
I always hate having to explain insults to the insulted.... they make it so difficult to land a really good one....
:)
DallasSmac 4 years ago
They are the one that promoted Grand Master McNeely and when you said Grand Master "My ASS" is when you trashed the pioneers that promoted him including General Choi that sighned his 6th dan certificate. Go back and read if you are able and see where this started.
DallasSmac 4 years ago
You are correct. My comment was inappropriate. I am sorry.
IJ69 4 years ago
In fact, all of my negative comments have no place in a healthy discussion at all. Grandmaster McNeely is senior to me, and although I belong to a different organization, I should show more respect to him and his students. I am sorry for my bad behavior over the last several days.
IJ69 4 years ago
Same goes here...No disrespect...Just defending two fine martial artists GM McNeely and Crenshawone. I respect them both.
DallasSmac 4 years ago
IJ69 I started TKD in 76. I make no claims about being this or that. My experience is all I have. Along the way I have fought with some of the best martial artist on the planet on the pro level. Today, being retired since "92, I still train with some of the meanest mma guys around if you've seen EliteXC that's the caliber I'm speaking of. I don't talk trash. I would welcome you to Little Rock anytime for some training.
crenshawone 4 years ago
EliteXC. Is that the organization that Kimbo Slice is associated with?
IJ69 4 years ago
he is. Would you get into the cage with him?
crenshawone 4 years ago
Probably not. I don't think my "Moo Moo" would be very effective against Kimbo. :)
IJ69 4 years ago
lol neither would mine.
crenshawone 4 years ago
"This pattern was before he started training with GM Park Jung Tae. "
It seems you know a bit of Grand Master McNeely's history. Can you tell me if GrandMaster McNeely train under Allen Steen or someone from the Jhoon Rhee system prior to training with GM Park?
8DanBayter 4 years ago
I sent you a message about GM McNeely
DallasSmac 4 years ago
Thank you for the message. :)
8DanBayter 4 years ago
Anythime...
DallasSmac 4 years ago
I am not sure about all this moon moo, poo poo, me choo or whatever. But I am 100% positive that not one single comment made before my post was made by a person OF KOREAN BLOOD - this is what appalls me. Which one of you speak from a true Korean blood line eh?
KIMCHEE UP! Losers.... and as I've seen posted earlier... get a life - a KOREAN one at that - and then show off your moo moo with your poo poo while you choo choo....
KAYIO - that's right - all KOREAN.
karmannnghia 4 years ago
Okay you do not have enough IQ points to play this game...Go back to eating your Kimchee...
TKDwithoutties 4 years ago
I am Crenshawone's wife :)
karmannnghia 4 years ago
Sorry...:-) No disrespect my bad!
TKDwithoutties 4 years ago
And racism again raises it's ugly head.
IJ69 4 years ago
I do know this pattern, I have read the book. I'm sure that the General's Taekwondo on the day he died was not the same Taekwondo he taught after ww2. If your martial art is not alive and only on the pages of a book, that's your fault.
crenshawone 4 years ago
LOL, Bassira. My favourite bit is where he pulls up his pant leg so he can throw a side kick at :34 And what is the second to last technique he throws? It is most certainly not what General Choi wrote in the book. Grand Master my ASS.
IJ69 4 years ago
Also, I find it that this "master" rolls his sleeves up so his dobok top will "pop" more on his hand techniques, he changes his breathing on virtually every technique, he bobbles on the slow motion kicks, and he ends up about 5 steps to the right, and 8 steps forward of where he started. I thought Taekwon-do patterns started and ended in the same place. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
TheReturnOfBassira 4 years ago
Please come to Dallas and visit and see if his dobok only pops with his sleeves rolled up. You and IJ69 know so much come and pay a visit or post your own and let's take a look. You both must be Grand Master's.
IJ69 up your med's you are getting a little crazy over a "tul" and you can't seem to stop yourself...
DallasSmac 4 years ago
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I listed 4 basic problems with this version of Moon Moo (and I haven't even started yet), and the only response you have is that Mr. Mcneely doesn't always roll up his sleeves. Why in the world would I want or need to travel several thousand miles to observe a person performing poor patterns when I can do that very thing here? Hmmmmmmmm?
TheReturnOfBassira 4 years ago
Can you even get there form where you live?
TKDwithoutties 4 years ago
1) This has been the most amusing 2 weeks of my life. I really do thank you arm-chair warriors for bringing such a smile to my face! - I did not know that so many of you have learned your TULS from books. Thats great! Do you ever look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself; "With all this reading I do, why can't I fight my way out of a wet paper bag?" Just wondering...
pmatsusa 4 years ago
2) IT'S A PATTERN THAT WAS DONE 30 YEARS AGO!This man is still going strong and has DEF. approved with age.. What were you bookworms doing 30 years ago.. Let me go further!! Patterns, Tuls, HAVE NO FIGHT VALUE WHAT SO EVER! OopS, DID I SAY THAT OUT LOUD, SORRY! So no, don't come all this way to see GMM role his sleeves up, come to get your A## kicked, and please, on the way stop off in TENN. and I will show you some other cool things that you can do with your keyboard!! ~ Guro Billy Brown
pmatsusa 4 years ago
Well, that was quite a rant, Little Billy. Do you feel better?
IJ69 4 years ago
Yes I do, thanks for asking.
pmatsusa 4 years ago
"DONE 30 YEARS AGO" ~ Really? "late 80's or early 90's" would be a MAXIMUM of 20 years, and quite possibly less.
"still going strong and has DEF. approved with age" ~ He has "approved" with age? What does he "approve" of now that he did not "approve" of at the time this video was made?
Poor, pathetic, Mr. Guru...I won't hold it against you that you have poor math skills, and do not know the difference between "approve" and "improve". You are, after all, from Tennessee.
IJ69 4 years ago
"Patterns, Tuls, HAVE NO FIGHT VALUE WHAT SO EVER!" ~ Mr. Guru, I agree 100%...unless, of course, the person doing the pattern is looking to improve their technique, body control, balance, focus, concentration, movement in all directions, etc, etc, etc....THEN, it has everything to do with fight value.
Comments like that normally come from a person who has neither the physical gifts, nor mental ability to perfect their patterns, and thus resort to hitting people with sticks.
IJ69 4 years ago
Wow, you really do make me laugh. Thank you. Keep fighting those imaginary opponents and reading your books! LOL - My school is always open to you, you are welcome to come see if I have any gifts, my friend! - I will not respond to you again, this Keyboard-Warrior syndrome might be contagious! Enjoy your writing, reading and typing. I'm off to train some of these gifts you mention!
pmatsusa 4 years ago
Ha! And Mr. Guru bites the dust...
That was too easy.
IJ69 4 years ago
Well, it looks like Bassira missed out on all the fun yesterday, but IJ sure had them all jumping like puppets on a string, LOL. Nice work, IJ, particularly with the quick and easy dispatch of pmatsusa. He came in with guns a blazin' and got his arse handed to him. ROTFLMFAO!!
TheReturnOfBassira 4 years ago
Instructors and the Grand Masters he repersents. GenePioneers that tested GM McNeely are: General Choi to 6th degree, GM Park Jung Tae 7th and 8th, GM Nam Tae Hi, GM CHO SAN MIN , GM C.K. Choi, GM Kong yong Il, G GM WOO YUP YANG, M Kang Dong Won, Kong young Bo Tested to 9th.
DallasSmac 4 years ago
Damn, somebody did their homework.
joekwondo3 4 years ago
Well, if all those Grand Masters say he's worthy of the title, that's good enough for me. ;)
8DanBayter 4 years ago
Kong Yong Il? Would that be the same Kong Yong Il who was demoted to 6th Dan by GM Choi Jung Hwa and the true ITF?
TheReturnOfBassira 4 years ago
This is the Kong Yong Il that traveled with General Choi to 127 countries and and backed up a open challenge to fight anyone and was never defeated. Kong Yong Il is more senior than GM Choi Jung Hwa so it would seem that would not be correct because GM Choi Jung Hwa would not even have been born or an infant at this time. But who knows with politics what people do.
DallasSmac 4 years ago
General Choi promoted GMM to 6th Dan so if he is rolling over it is because you hold yourself in such high regard you can't see past the nose on your face. This video was taken about 30 yrs ago.Were training then nikaotkd? Anytime you want to dance with him to this day, step out from the email and visit him or any of his any other instructors around the world. They still train EVERYDAY without fail and GMM was promoted by the pioneers of TKD to 9th degree. Do you hold this rank or credentials?
DallasSmac 4 years ago
you tell em smac. I have seen GMM in action since the eighties and I have always thought that he could back up his credentials on the mat unlike a lot of these "arm chair masters"
joekwondo3 4 years ago
Who is Mr. McNeely's instructor? Judging solely by this one pattern, I would surmise that his instructor must have come through the Jhoon Rhee system, rather than the actual ITF. Methinks possibly Allen Steen, particularly due to the proximity of each to the other. This is not intended as an attack, it is simply a question.
8DanBayter 4 years ago
So let me get this straight...General Choi promoted Mcneely to VI Dan, then the "pioneers" of TKD promoted him to IX? Who, in your mind, is more of a pioneer than the General, himself? And who promoted mcneely to VII and VIII Dan, and on what dates did these promotions occur. Also, what was the date of his promotion to IX, and who were the pioneers you speak of?
IJ69 4 years ago
Great power & technique
joekwondo3 4 years ago
You're joking, right?
IJ69 4 years ago
"General Choi must be rolling over in his grave about now."...
I agree with you, my friend. This "Master" profaned Moon Moo. It is not Taekwon-Do...
nikaotkd 4 years ago
How do you PROFANE a form? You arm-chair warriors love to point fingers at this and that, oh he doesn't do it like my "favorite" Master. Grow up guys and be greatful that no two martial artist are the same. Stop bickering behind your keyboards sitting in your thrones, "Arm-Chairs" and start training and becoming a unique martial artist in your own right. - And as for this "Master", he is one of the most dynamic and explosive TKD men I have ever met and he has earned that Title!
Guro Billy Brown
pmatsusa 4 years ago
Right on Billy and hello.
crenshawone 4 years ago
Did you start taekwondo? or do you even "Really" train? how about a post your moon moo? I've known GMM since the 70's and I have seen a lot of people kick and do taekwondo including many from Korea and I am still in awe of his technique. Grow up.
crenshawone 4 years ago
Well...my, my, my, aren't we special? Just because *you* are in awe of his technique does not mean a damn thing. In fact, several techniques in this pattern are the WRONG technique. I have seen dozens of IV Dans perform this pattern at world championships with much more precision than demonstrated here. Hell, even those who performed less than flawlessly at least performed the correct movements. I give this pattern a 6 on a scale of 1 - 10.
IJ69 4 years ago
You have some hate issues. Post your MooMoo and lets have a look. Grand Master McNeely was in the gym training 30 years ago and this clip was filmed. What "Tul" were you doing? Did you know General Choi or and of the other Pioneer's of TKD? Why not just be grateful General Choi and the other Pioneers brought TKD where it is today. Look how many lives were touched around the world.
DallasSmac 4 years ago
grow up. It makes me wonder why people are so threatened by others peoples skills. Perhaps a very closed and sheltered mind.
crenshawone 4 years ago
it's not my fault you do not know this pattern. Have you read the book?
IJ69 4 years ago
WOW, are these guys really still arguing over this? Amazing. You, there might be other aspects of the arts, other than patterns and tuls that we could also argue about. You do know other stuff, right guys? LOL
pmatsusa 4 years ago
I do know this pattern, I have read the book. I'm sure that the General's Taekwondo on the day he died was not the same Taekwondo he taught after ww2. If your martial art is not alive and only on the pages of a book, that's your fault.
crenshawone 4 years ago
crenshawone thanks for the video...I believe Grand Master McNeely has the "book" sighned by General Choi and the other pioneer's. It seems this is why TKD gets such a bad name because people like this make it sound like "tuls" are the only part of TKD.
They are so remote that they don't get out enough to see the real world.
This pattern was before he started training with GM Park Jung Tae.
Even so, great to watch and I hope those guys won't ever beat me up with a "tul"
TKDwithoutties 4 years ago
Gotta love your name, dude. "Taekwon-do with outties" I personally have an "innie". Thanks for playing along today. Buh-bye now.
IJ69 4 years ago
Never looked at it that way "outties" but that is funny!
DallasSmac 4 years ago
TKDwithoutties who is this?
DallasSmac 4 years ago
General Choi must be rolling over in his grave about now.
IJ69 4 years ago
Get a life!
crenshawone 4 years ago
great form master scott!!!
staplespgs 4 years ago
If you had read General Choi's book, you would have known that it is not called a "form". It is a "tul", or a "pattern". Not a "form" or a "kata".
IJ69 4 years ago