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  • You say these people are "participants" have you deceived yourself by over stimulating your brain into thinking people want to do this and not POWs of a new high tech war? Why is this being put on people wirelessly through out the world and still being denied? Locations of places who do this wirelessly is all that is requested.

  • Persinger's helmet is like a spiritual drug that helps you to experience a higher reality. The presences, as Persinger will realize, as the technology get better, is REAL.

  • @sIIimfej Yes, but we're not god so there has to be religion lol XD

  • I don't doubt that people who behave in "abnormal" ways may have increased neurological sensitivity in representative brain anatomy. The question is, why would anyone consider this a momentous finding? Of course stimulating certain areas of the brain will produce sensations. The question is, how is this relevant to anything? We are a far way away from demonstrating that those who join cults do so because of neurological sensitivity. Base rates, please?

  • @jazzguitar2010

    Its one thing to know something intuitively (say gravity).

    Its another to understand the underlying principles and causes. Its called science.

  • @OpiatedBliss Persinger is far from establishing any causal links. At most, he has correlational evidence.

  • The good Dr is mistaken in his research. His re production of the environment or "simulation" is allowing the brain to unlock the door necessary to a high conscience. Its not that he is disproving religion or that out of body experiences are not real he is proving that it is real. Thus he will never receive the same two descriptions from volunteers about there experiences but will get stories with similar characteristics.

  • @jspecaspec23 they also figured out how to produced spiritual encounters with guardian angel type entities and they've produced shadow people and aliens by stimulating the parietal lobes and the opposite to brocas area, what freaking religion says that you can tap on someones brain with a little electrode and the demons and anges and aliens just zip on over like that's the most important thing in the world? fact is they were always just hallucinations

  • @CellTrace No any different from waking up from a dream in which one SWORE it was SO REAL. People are going to PUT ALL KINDS of things into it - Like your dreams are the key to your future, or that one is in ACTUAL communication with their spirituality, and / or that a bad dream is from SATAN. Blah blah blah. I'd be in a nuthouse if I believed any of that. To each, his own I guess.

  • I get this & similar experiences after I've been on a bender. :)

  • "Evil"?

    Why call it evil?

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  • Interesting. But it still does not disprove the existence of God.

  • @JoeysBabies1980 That is because the idea of God is unfalsifiable, meaning it cannot be proved or disproved.

  • @JenniferRuthFrances That is true. Thanks!

  • @JenniferRuthFrances From what you just said, I can say to you that there are Purple Flamingos with 18 heads in this universe. Since you cannot prove this statement, then you can chose to believe it is true or not. The problem with God is that the idea was created to be an unsolvable statement.

  • @drumskater337 There is a difference between saying "I BELIEVE in purple flamingos with 18 heads" and "there ARE purple flamingos with 18 heads", I can choose to believe in your statement UNTIL proved or disproved. However God cannot be proved or disproved so people must choose to have faith in a "God", without any hope of ever finding proof or disproof of "his" exsistance. Also, I don't think God was created to be unfalsifiable, it could just be a by-product of human wonderment at the world.

  • @JenniferRuthFrances That comes from the descision making process, period. The " I choose to believe " process. You cant stop people from that, no matter what you do. Much like you can't tell a person who's stupid that they're stupi, BECAUSE they're STUPID....

  • How do you explain this area of the brain being there? In fact how do you explain the brain? Can you make one? It is still one of the most unique things in the world and yet we can't live with out one. It makes me think of the experiment with the frog leg and electricity.

  • Take away you're negative and positive charges and you are nothing but a big empty space!

    Don't be mad if I shoot a particle beam full of neutrons at you; the probability of me hitting anything is just about zero and the neutrons will pass right on through you because your thesis, your professor/hero/lecturer/resear­cher/man/demi-god is one big piece of nothingness.

    If you don't believe me, ask him. If he is at all honest, he will tell you the same thing.

    God? He'll answer you for Himself.

  • @dd1987x yeah i'm from ontario and i'm in his third year classes now. you have to have all of your high school sciences, and have over an 80% average to get into the program. be prepared though, he's a) not an easy marker, at all, and does not follow any curve, b) his classes are extremely difficult, but extremely rewarding. other than that, he is the most amazing professor/researcher/man i've ever met.

  • Big deal -- you put a magnet up to someone's brain and they see ghosts; so you conclude that the ghosts are caused by the magnet stimulating the brain and there is no God?

    Okay then, I open up the door by pushing a button and see the world outside. Conclusion, the world outside is caused by pressing the button?

    Even a 12 year old can clearly see that your claims are bogus. At least I can hit an "x-box" icon on the browser-tab and make all you Phd.s disappear -- your helmet can't do that!

  • @lifewithjohnny "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -Philip K. Dick

    "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -Delos McKown

  • @lifewithjohnny it just means that "godly" experience can be recreated by humans. and by the way, they also created that x-box icon and the xbox. don't be mad if your invisible friend hasn't done anything spectacular except show up when you're high.

  • @lifewithjohnny It doesn't prove that there is no God. Rather, it shows that the sorts of religious experiences that some people claim to be evidence of God can be induced by purely natural means. It is yet another way in which science has shown God to be unnecessary as an explanation.

  • @lifewithjohnny You really are clueless. Wow. 

  • *pretty much

  • if you throw people into a completely dark room who have probably never seen anything so dark and on top of it throw on a wierd ass helmet ofcourse their mind will react in this way. truth is we are NOTHING. what we call the "real" world is nothing more then nothings dream and we are all the charectars within it. science will forever try to disprove god so it can say what it wants. even though like i said god is not a person it is NOTHING. nothingness is all that ever was, is and will ever be

  • @sonofcreator2 When conducting an experiment like this, baselines are recorded to ensure confounding variables like "darkness" and "novelty" do not interfere with the research. An individual baseline is recorded in addition to multiple placebo trials to rule out any lab-coat effect.

  • As she said...senses. Entities. God is in people's (most) minds.

    YouTube "god helmet"

  • @beadwindow2010 The question arises as to WHY our brain posseses the ability to do these things. Why are we wired for these experiences?

  • @Edubbplate @Edubbplate Google this hilarious Cracked article called "5 strangest things evolution left in your body" We "have a third eyelid. Or the remains of one, anyway. Look at the little pink bit in the corner of your eye, next to your nose." It was used to moisten and protect our eyes at one point, though now it is completely useless. Human's aren't perfect, we have many faults.

  • @YuiStudios If we were perfect there would be no war, hatred or religion.

  • @sllimfej Could not say it any better

  • @YuiStudios But vestigial organs aren't an imperfection. If you believe in evolution, then there is no such thing as 'imperfect' or 'perfect'. There is only natural selection. Perfection is an engineering concept...but even in engineered objects, you can build in imperfection on purpose.

  • @mjt1517 perfect was probably the wrong word choice on my part :P

  • @YuiStudios mine still work!! when i get really bad hayfever they come out and cover my eyes so that the pollen can't get into them, it cant see for a while but it works!! Not completely useless my friend.

  • @Edubbplate We're wired for these experiences because they're there to be had.

  • @mjt1517 Yep.

  • @beadwindow2010, you DO know god is not real?

  • @Zhylo

    you DO know you don't know for fact if he's real or not. who are you to make an assumption such as this? you are merely a human being, do not flatter yourself.

  • @redrumEardrums. Text is a poor medium for sarcasm, obviously. We know neither. We can't bring forth proof, and we can't disproof a god. But logic and reasoning would imply we should't really believe in something there's not a shred of evidence for, or even against. But what about Theories? Exactly! Theories are pretty believable if IT MAKES SENSE. Every valid scientific theory has to be based on proved consepts and facts we've already obtained. Everything about a deity avoids that. ~The End~

  • @Zhylo Do you know this for a fact? Or are you just saying that because it's cool to swim against the current? I myself am a skeptic; however I'm not going to be so ignorant to say that in all certainty god does not exist. I say you should consider the possibilities. This world is stranger than we realize. I'm not leaning one way or the other, I'm just saying, we have no fucking clue what the universe has in store for us as perishable organisms. "ya never know"

  • @AllKindsaGirls, There is no evidence proving god is real, but neither any hard evidence pointing to him NOT being real. Therefore, the most illogical option, in this case, god, is ruled out, in favour of science, which we have answers for, and can research further upon. Instead of relying on ancient superstition, in which no sound facts have come forth, EVER!

    So tell me, would't you round up 99.9% certainty to 100%, instead of fuzzing about some old wanderers' story?

  • @Zhylo The fact is were still trying to make sense of all things earthly. We haven't even made a dent on all things unearthly. If you really think about how insane life really is, it's not out of the realm of possibility that there's something even more unbelievable out there. You can't rightly assume things when there's no disproving evidence. to side with science, to use it as an excuse, you have to have evidence. Not rely dumbly on blind assumptions. god may very well be an alien. who knows.

  • @AllKindsaGirls. You are contradicting yourself right there. Believing in god is blind assumption, there is no reason nor factual support behind it, other than superstition. God remains fantasy until proven to exist.

    Example, If I told you there existed an invisible, untangable, omni-present, all-being Thumbstick, that when the time is up for you, pricks you, so you die of old age... would you accept that, or demand proof until this is a VIABLE theory? You can't assume a god exist.

  • @Zhylo your right, believing in god is a blind assumption, but so is not believing in him.. face the fact, you have no clue whether he exists or not, you just don't.. so that leaves the element of possibility right? whether your man enough to admit that is your call. When the ancient people of earth (pre technological) looked up at the moon, do you think they ever would of imagined that one day the human race would get the chance to walk on it? come to find out that's not really a crazy notion.

  • @AllKindsaGirls your reason for believing in god is based on the inability to disprove his existence? You should come to my church for the flying spaghetti monster, his tomato-based offerings are both delicious and nutritious. Hopefully humanity will continue to move forward, much your poorly chosen moon analogy.

  • @simulantreal You haven't read the whole conversation apparently. I said i remain a skeptic. Oh and thanks for the much tired flying spaghetti monster comment. Took me back to highschool there for a second.

  • @AllKindsaGirls Not believing in him is not a blind assumption because not believing in him is the result of looking at physical evidence and logic. If there is no physical evidence, which there is not, and there is no logic behind the idea of a god, there is no reason or purpose to believe in it. In short, yes, I can disprove god, because anything you base without evidence, I can just as easily dismiss without evidence.

  • So this explains why people need to believe in Global warming?

  • I've had strong temporal lobe epilepsy my whole life. This video is totally inaccurate. I have strong moral values and feel a strong sense of belonging, but I don't trust a damn thing anyone says. I know how full of shit people can be. Nice guess Dr. Persinger, but you aren't taking it all into account before you jump to your conclusions.

  • @burchified

    That was particularly ironic

  • @yubarraboo I'm glad someone noticed that. LOL. What this doctor did was throw a person into unfamiliar territory and applied the initial reaction to everyone else. He's making assumptions of people that live like that 24/7 and it's just bad science.

  • @burchified

    i don't think he meant all people with epilepsy are religious or spiritual, he meant that seizures can cause psychosis. Emily Rose have epilepsy and believed Hitler was possessing her. Her religion forced her mother to ignore treatments so that she could prove that her religion was true... The priests were in trouble for ritual abuse, since they abused and beat her but mother never seemed to do anything about it.

  • @MalaresianLuciferia It all about the level of control a person has. And the experiment didn't simulate epilepsy, it just STIMULATED the temporal lobes a bit. Trust me, there is a big difference between ictal and interictal states.

  • @burchified Don't assume that your case is in any way a representation of the studies parameters. You were diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy and you're assuming your experiences and individual characteristics can be generalized to the entire population of Temporal Lobe Epileptics.

  • @Nicotag Unless you have TLE also, please don't comment. I understand everyone is different, but only to a minor degree.

  • @burchified Right, your subjective, biased, anecdotal evidence is much more important to this conversation than a little common knowledge. I don't need have epilepsy to make a comment about epilepsy. More importantly, your "unique" characteristics are not in any way a representation of the mean. There is a standard distribution and by chance you fall on the lateral portions of the curve. Don't dismiss data because your situation (or at least your perception of the situation) isn't "typical".

  • That's the qiestion! This video makes me eager for more, does anyone know where i can watch the rest of it??

  • im in his 2nd year class, he's such an amazing professor

  • @Josie7242 jealous!!! are you from ontario? what all did you have to have to get into this program? did you need other university credits first? or can you go straight out of high school? ahh, I want to study under Persinger so bad.

  • @Josie7242 I'm very jealous of you, make the most of it!

  • @Josie7242 REALLY?! Is there any way I could contact him??

  • I would love to see the continuation of this.

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